How rare is it to win a League Championship?

The first Football League Championship played was in 1888/89 when Preston North End was crowned as champions. They were also winners of the FA Cup beating Wolverhampton Wanderers 3-0 in the final therefore becoming the very first winners of the League and Cup double.

Final 1888/89 League Table:

Since that time there have been one hundred and seventeen league championships encompassing both the old League Division 1 and the Premier League. How rare is a championship victory – well incredibly enough since the formation of the league in 1888 only twenty four different teams have tasted the sweetness of victory. Five of those teams have dominated winning sixty seven championships or 57.3 % of the time.

Over the years approximately one hundred and fifty different teams have competed for the League Championship with just ten of those teams winning ninety trophies or 76.9% of the time.

During the twenty first century a mere five teams have been crowned as champions. The data shows that it’s a very rare occurrence to win the championship and that double digit winners are even rarer – only three in football league history. Since the inception of the Premier League only six different teams have raised the trophy out of the forty seven teams who have competed for the championship.

Among the all time Championship winners Arsenal is placed third and is in the elite group of double digit winners.

All time League Championship Table.

Only five teams in the current Premier League have won a title in either the PL or the old Div 1 in the past twenty seven seasons and one hundred and twenty six other teams have tried and failed to win either league.

Written by GunnerN5

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116 Responses to How rare is it to win a League Championship?

  1. mickydidit89 says:

    Interesting stuff GN5, thank you.

    The two stand out surprises for me are Sunderland with 6!!!! and Pompey with 2. I’d never have thunk it 🙂

    Who do we reckon is the biggest team never to win one? West Ham?

  2. VP of Oz says:

    Awesome post GN5
    To think that even with the collapse into oblivion by Leeds, that they still last won the league in 92, earlier than Liverpool in 90

  3. Zed says:

    Terrific collection of data, GN5, and is really eye opening — sadly the pillocks who spout so much rubbish, elsewhere in blogdom, will never bother to read this excellent Post, and if they did they would not understand or appreciate it.

  4. Zed says:

    If I may return to something Mighty Micky said in the earlier Post, relating to travelling at 99.9% of the speed of light which caught my eye.

    To understand the effect on your body, Micky, at travelling at the speed of light we would need to have a look at Einstein and his famous equation, E=mc2, where energy = mass * the speed of light squared.

    There would be consequences for you at travelling at 99.9% of the speed of light, if that were possible, but leaving aside the effect on your body relating to its increase in its mass, you would have to say goodbye to everyone you knew, in terms of the physical state they are currently in compared to yours when you return.

    If you travelled to somewhere 25 light years away, say, — and you would have to work up to the speed of light gradually, as to do so instantly would kill you (all that mass and energy stuff), so your body would experience ageing at approximately 100th of the ageing of the peeps you left behind, so by the time you got back, relatively speaking everyone you knew would be long gone, whereas you would still be in physical shape to fancy a trip to an Arsenal away game with Raddy — but ……

    It is a bit more complicated than that, obviously, but there could be unintended consequences if you lit the blue touch paper before thinking it thru! 🙂

    Don’t do it just because you are bored.

  5. mickydidit89 says:

    Piffle RA
    I had thought of all that. Don’t eat the day before so as to shed mass. Wear a seat belt with a cushion behind my head. Not hard.
    Laters

  6. GunnerN5 says:

    Good morning,

    Thank you for your help Chas.

    The drawing is an artists impression of the 1888/89 Preston North End team – the were the very first team to become “Invincible’ being undefeated in both league and cup.

  7. Rasp says:

    Fascinating stuff GN5, thank you. It certainly gives a great perspective on past achievements…. and pretty much defines the categorisation of being ‘a big club’ … totnum bottom half ….

    To quote every manager there ever was, the most important game is the next one … so let’s hope we can take that historical form into the City game 🙂

  8. Big Raddy says:

    Enjoyed that.

    So we win a title 11% of the time. Must be due one soon.

  9. GunnerN5 says:

    Rasp,

    The data in my post It will mean different things to different people – depending on their individual outlooks.

    To me it shows just how difficult it is to win a championship and that achievements should never be taken for granted and dismissed as being irrelevant..

    I think that looking at the why’s and wherefores’ of a teams performances over a short period of time is simply “nit picking” and achieves very little. It creates unreal highs and lows that are based on circumstances that may never be repeated.

    Leicester City is a classic example of how quickly fortunes are reversed and the folly of being enthralled by short term results. Last season Vardy and Marhez were thought to be “the bees knees” this season they are just ordinary players all be it a lot richer. Raneri was considered to be a miracle man – now he is unemployed.

  10. jjgsol says:

    Thank you for the research.

    It is fascinating and eye opening

  11. GunnerN5 says:

    My pleasure jjgsol.

  12. Rasp says:

    Hi GN5, yes I agree statistics are far from definitve in most cases.

    I cannot agree with your 3rd paragraph simply because although past achievements are great for pride and heritage … present performance is all the current regime focus on …, you’ll never hear a manager define a result in the context of games several decades ago. The Leicester Board certainly took no notice of recent achievements when it unceremoniously sacked Ranieiri … and look how his replacement has changed their fortunes.

  13. jjgsol says:

    I did something much less erudite last week, b ut no one seems to have noticed.

    If you compare our scores this season against last, as against the teams who were in the EPL last season, we are up by 2 points.

    Comparing also with the 3 that went down, as opposed to the 3 that came up, we have the same number of points, with one game, away to Middlesborough, to go.

    It may not be the way we wanted the season to go, but it is hardy the disaster that many bloggists maintain it is.

  14. To stuff GN5.

    Your table proves what we all know, we are the greatest club. We were a super power when our club clergyman travelled to Burundi to preach Christendom and immorally make love to a host of native girls, and remain a super Club in the era of players morphing into mobile phones.

    This shows consistency, and also explains why many local Hutu’s are christened Sir Reverend Blow-Whistle.

    Consistency is important. I myself take enormous pride in my longevity and proven track record of failure with women. I won my first title back in 1982 when my then girlfriend left me citing “communication problems” for some Chinese bloke who couldn’t speak English

    I maintained my plethora of bad results, culminating in a glorious 1985 double where I clinched the title by begging my ex girlfriend if I could sit quietly in the corner as she and her new beau canoodled on the couch whilst watching countdown, my silence only broken by my yell of ecstasy as I got a nine letter word “canoodled”. I won the cup a few months later when I got done for stalking Carol Vorderman. To this day my results continue, and despite our angst at recent results, so do Arsenals.

    Zedders, this morning on breakfast news some boffin was banging on about gravity, space and time. Apparently there are places on earth were been further away from the planets core gravity is weaker thus time slows down and intriguingly one loses weight. I suggest Clive Allen climbs Mount Everest. As for travelling faster than light so we will never see them again, I might start my own Uber faster than light business and offer Daniel Levy a free ride.

  15. GunnerN5 says:

    “The Leicester Board certainly took no notice of recent achievements when it unceremoniously sacked Ranieiri … and look how his replacement has changed their fortunes”

    Merely a short term reaction to secure their position in the PL.
    What is more import are questions like “where will the club be in XX years”, “what are they doing to secure a successful future for the club”? ”

    The firing of managers is typically a short term monetary decision, how many times has a “new” manager still been around 2/3 seasons later?

  16. GunnerN5 says:

    jjgsol,

    Don’t be concerned about lack of responses as many of us suffer from the same issue, just keep on stating your own opinion and don’t allow others to sway you off of your own course.

    Overall participation has shrunk down to a dozen or so bloggers but many of the best still remain loyal.

  17. Rasp says:

    I’d rather you didn’t repeat my comments in speech marks GN5, it is unnecessarily aggressive. In the current financial state of football, staying in the EPL is very important to a club’s future.

    I agree far too many managers are fired too quickly, it’s a ridiculous state of affairs.. I have stated on here that my sincere wish is that whoever takes over from AW is given time to build his own team and own style of football … and … doesn’t have AW’s record quoted at him every time a result goes the wrong way.

  18. GunnerN5 says:

    Rasp,

    I used the speech marks to indicate it was your quote, aggression is your assumption and not my intent.

    A new manager will always be judged by previous managers – just like AW has been compared to GG and HC.

  19. Rasp says:

    Not by me he hasn’t, and it can’t be viewed as a positive. Football has changed immeasurably since the days of even George Graham, each managers success is only relevant to the climate in English football at the time

  20. RC78 says:

    Brilliant research and article…Helps us put things into perspective…

    On my side – I think we missed our chance in 2006 and last year. 2006 was key in our history: we gave the league away and the Champions league too although they were supposed to be ours…

    The most annoying stat about this table is the domincance of Man Utd and the emergence of Chelsea…

    COYG – let us win this league soon…

    DONNAMURA – Bellerin, Mustafi, BONUCCI, Koscielny, Oxlade – Ramsey, NAIGGOLAN or VIDAL – Ozil – LUKAKU, Sanchez

    Ospina – Jenkinson, Holding, BFG, Monreal, SIDIBE – RABIOT, Xhaka, El Neny – Walcott, Giroud, Wellbeck

    Over and out

  21. GunnerN5 says:

    RC78,

    I appreciate your comments.

    Oh yea, 2006 was hard to take and it should have been very different but……………

    Change is in the air – we just don’t know when or what change is coming.

  22. RC78 says:

    It seems that it is concluded that AW will stay one more year (hence keeping Ozil, not sure about Sanchez) and that he would then be replaced by a club legend (Vieira most likely).

  23. 78, have faith my dear boy. Though my dad, in between seeing his mistress whilst I ate wine gums and watched cartoons, took me to my first game in 1971, I was only 4 so couldn’t recall or appreciate it. Though i do recall the mistress, so have a fetish for wine gums.

    i spent the next decade and a half dreaming about winning the title and wine gums. The title was a dream of the heart. At that time I actually believed that Liverpool’s domination would last forever. Every time they lost a great player with a moustache, they went and replaced him with another player with an even bigger moustache.

    So I ploughed through my teens with an awful sense of dread with only Wine gums for comfort They had Players with moustaches and we had John Devine.

    But the dream never died. in my heart I knew we would finally break the Liverpool monopoly and that one day I would finally get a bird, thus ending my fear that the Wine Gums manufacturer would cease the delicious raspberry flavour.

    Keep the faith.

  24. GoonerB says:

    Thanks GN5, you are right that this shows the difficulty of winning a league and only a handful of clubs have done so. It also shows that we are one of those elite clubs that is fortunate enough to be in that bracket. As such the expectation is naturally higher with us than with other clubs.

    Personally I feel it is right that we should expect to be challenging for the league because this is Arsenal, one of the country’s biggest clubs. If we aren’t challenging for the EPL questions should be raised.

    jjgsol’s points are interesting about this and last seasons comparisons. I have also made the point a few times that I feel you can gain more insight regarding the progression (or lack of) with a club by looking at the final premier league points tally.

    You can look at the points gained in each season to see trends and look at the average points over any given recent period. Further, you can compare that to what it takes on average to win the EPL to see if we are progressing as a side to being any closer to being serious challengers.

    As such I think the main comparison should be made at the end of the season. If we win all our remaining games we will be on 83 points. That would represent our best season for a while but still remain 3 points shy of the average points required to win the title (on average from around 2005).

    These stats show that the last 4 seasons have seen little tangible progress towards being serious title challengers, and that is not a short term knee jerk analysis. This period represents the start of our ability to purchase better players and also saw us as the most settled of the big teams, i.e no managerial upheaval or loss of major players in the TW’s, so in reality we have had the greater period of stability in which to develop this side over and above all our rivals.

    The indications are that we will have to rebuild this summer, and that doesn’t reflect well on this period of development. Which ever way you look at it, and regardless of how great things have been before this time, this all happened on Arsene’s watch. This is his development period in his image for this side.

    I would like nothing more than to see Arsene turn it around again, but it has to be said this may not be realistic. In reality I would prefer him to hold his hands up and say he has got an awful lot wrong. The self recognition of this could be the catalyst to him rediscovering his mojo.

    Back to your post though GN5 and its main point ( minus my rambling 🙂 ), and we are one of the big clubs, as you have shown and we should be expecting better than we have seen in the last few seasons. Don’t wave banners and be disrespectful to a man who has done so much for us but similarly don’t just sweep it under the carpet without question.

  25. Rasp says:

    Hi GB, I’m tempted to re-publish one of the first posts I wrote on AA back in 2010 where I made a lot of the points you cover … this is not new thinking. Arsene is a great man … we’ve been ‘hoping’ for a long time … there is no chance of him changing his approach to coaching or style of play.

  26. GunnerN5 says:

    GB,

    Just to be very clear about my personal viewpoint.

    I fully accept and have never denied that we could have and should have done better in the past 12 seasons. My concern is with the opinion that it’s all AW’s fault and the eternal amount of second guessing that take place with every setback. But I retain my belief that AW should be the one to determine his future and not the back room analysts.

    I will not get into a circular debate on the good bad and ugly as that will lead nowhere and in the end result prove nothing more than the fact that opinions differ.

    But I do disagree that past achievements should be an indication of future expectations. Even the all time Championship leader Man U have faltered in last 4 seasons – losing a great manger created turmoil even with the best team in Football League history.

  27. Aaron says:

    This is a very good post. Have enjoyed reading many of the comments today.
    The stats do show how difficult it is to win, and how over the decades that money has definitively changed everything.
    The Arsenal are maintaining, but not emerging to ascend higher than their true foes and rivals.
    Viera got blasted 0-7 on aggregate in MLS playoffs for goodness sakes, he sure as hell is not ready for the EPL.
    Ranierii would have turned it around to kept them up, the board just wasted everyone’s time and made that team look as classless as possible.
    When Arsene goes, I hope the Arsenal give the next manager the time and resources to do the job properly, but looking at stan the man’s track record that is not going to happen in my lifetime.

  28. GunnerN5 says:

    You are right Aaron, if the purse strings are not loosened then a new manager will have a hell of a task and Stan’s aversion to spending will be heightened with a new manager.

  29. GunnerN5 says:

    I just did some more research.

    In the history of the Premier League the 47 different clubs have been managed by 349 different mangers – only 9 different managers have won the trophy.

  30. GoonerB says:

    Thanks GN5 and sorry to bring the less positive side of the argument to the fore and ruin both your positive considerations and the madness of transplant, and I also agree about the circular debate.

    I disagree that Arsene should make his own mind up. That would be madness. In all businesses employees need to be appraised by others who can be objective, you can’t just do your own appraisals and hand yourself a new contract.

    I do wonder whether the clubs hierarchy is carrying this out properly or whether they have just been taken to a nice comfort zone where everything is not too great and not too bad so it is far easier to stand still than to shake things up, which carries potentially great reward but also great risk.

    GN5 I don’t in reality consider everything to be AW’s fault but it seems to me that criticism of Arsene will (to those firmly in his camp) be considered as such. Similarly to those of us that feel he has somewhat lost his way as a top 1st team coach and manager the staunch defenders of him appear to indicate he can do no wrong.

    Just as you perceive that everything that is not perfect is blamed on him by some fans, others will feel that there is always an excuse as to why when things go wrong it is nothing to do with him.

    Considerations like being unlucky with injuries, the media out to get him, referees that don’t like us, teams that park the bus or are allowed to be overly physical to us, his players letting him down time and time again, not having enough money to spend e.t.c, I feel are often used to deflect away from any shortcomings he may have in the way he is developing and structuring the team.

    I know there is a middle ground and it is not as black and white as this but sometimes it probably seems that way to you and does to me also. I am not out to get him and will be eternally grateful to him. I feel very lucky that we have had him but I am basing my feelings on wanting Arsenal the football club to get back to that top level again, which I think is achievable, and then coupling that with what I have witnessed in the last 4 seasons as to whether this current regime can deliver this.

    I have said that I think Arsene can do this if he oversees a big shake up. This can’t just be a big shake up only based on with player ins and outs, but has to be at the fundamental coaching and team structuring level. We have exhibited too many consistent flaws (that could be addressed) for far too long that undermine us to not question why we are not learning and adapting.

  31. GunnerN5 says:

    GB,

    That is a fine comment, and it’s obvious that you considerate in your views and analysis – unfortunately you are in a minority.

  32. GunnerN5 says:

    Only 9 different mangers have picked up the PL trophy in 24 seasons which means (according) to my research that 340 others have tried and failed.

    So only 2.58% of the different managers have tasted victory.

  33. GoonerB says:

    Thanks GN5, I wasn’t sure if you meant I am in a minority in my views or in a minority in my consideration and analysis. I will take the more complimentary one.

    I always do this in blissful ignorance GN5. If someone is looking in my direction shouting “Oy Clive Allen you ugly bastrd, go and climb Mount Everest and lose some weight”, I always assume they are looking at the person behind me 🙂

    I hate Greek accountants GN5. They really test my resolve to put a positive spin on insults.

  34. chas says:

    Great post, GN5.

    I count myself exceedingly lucky to have been an Arsenal supporter while my Club has won the League 6 times. 🙂

  35. chas says:

    Clive Allen’s eating disorder stems from when he was rejected by The Arsenal, but admittedly it took a few years for his grief to kick in.

  36. chas says:

    Expect Bilic to go full-on Andy Carroll

  37. GoonerB says:

    Clive Allen’s look-a-like’s eating disorder stems from rejection on Arsenal Arsenal. The grief was instant and permanent 🙂

  38. GoonerB says:

    BTW Chas, you know that with everything I have said today I hope to be proven wrong, don’t you? 🙂

  39. GunnerN5 says:

    GB,

    Your views are well worth reading and I consider you to be in the minority who can rationalize effectively without holding a negative viewpoint.

    Positive.

  40. GunnerN5 says:

    Chas, I’ve been fortunate enough to have been around for 8 out of our 13 titles.

  41. chas says:

    GoonerB

    You point out in all of your highly tactical and well-thought out comments how you would love to be proved wrong.

    If I’m honest, it’s the only bit that catches my eye as I’m scrolling down. 😆

  42. chas says:

    It’s not my fault if I have the attention span of a goldfish and prefer pictures to 10,000 word dissertations.

  43. GunnerN5 says:

    No Chas it’s obviously AW’s fault.

  44. Eddie says:

    what do you get if you cross an elephant with a goldfish?

  45. Rasp says:

    Swimming trunks?

  46. chas says:

  47. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Lovely pic at 6.52.

    Really enjoyed reading the comments, informative , funny and interesting.

    I waiver between GN5 and GB’s attitude towards our manager.

    Terry. Loved the 1,49. There can be little doubt that failure with women is a necessary requisite to a full life 😀

  48. Zed says:

    Terry,

    I loved your 4:02 where you describe your predilection for wine gum sweets — that is to say your preference for candy over sexy wimmin – a different kind of candy.

    GLIC once told me that he thought you had great teeth, despite the wine gums – until you took them out and they sashayed around the bar.

    You really are cool. 😀

  49. Zed says:

    Rasper,

    Your response to Eddie’s question re the elephant and the goldfish — swimming trunks – did not get the praise it deserved.

    Anyway, I liked it. 🙂

  50. Zed says:

    GN5,

    You had some really good responses to your first class Post, especially from that rascal GoonerB-gettin’-Wenger-Out.

    I had appointments yesterday – and today – so could not get back, but when considering an additional response, either the above mentioned rapscallion had already covered it, or your Post was so comprehensive it had everything covered.

    Great stuff. 😀

  51. GoonerB says:

    Haha ZedRA. AW can stay till he is 105 if he embraces the things that are needed to make us competitive in the modern era again. Would love to see him lift another EPL title.

    GN5’s post was excellent and it did draw me out…only to make a couple of points however as I really didn’t have much to say 🙂

  52. mickydidit89 says:

    GB

    Much as I’m trying to duck work, the pile gets higher by the bloody minute.

    Had to quickly say what excellent comments you made.

    I agree with you, although I wouldn’t sugar coat the message with sweetness ie Vieira to soften the blow, candlelit vigils, Je Suis… messages and so on.

    Blimey, whenever Arsene does get the heave-ho there will be communal grieving teepees all over the place 🙂

  53. GunnerN5 says:

    Morning all (6:50am)

    Thank you all for your comments yesterday, it was a sensible dialogue that did not turn into an angry debate.

  54. mickydidit89 says:

    Well I’m looking forward to the game on Sunday, and hope we play 2-3-5 and give them a damn good thrashing

  55. mickydidit89 says:

    Are there more international games this week, and more specifically, might Sanchez and Ozil be involved?

  56. mickydidit89 says:

    Not good. Chile Venezuela Tuesday. Might you, jet, Sunday game. Maybe..

  57. mickydidit89 says:

    Okay, more Polar Ice vids I guess 🙂

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  62. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Love the swimming pool pics.There was a huge outdoor pool in Mill Hill but I doubt it is the above.

  63. Rasp says:

    Morning all, I see video technology was used to good effect in an international friendly last night. The two goal scoring decisions that were overturned probably prevented the victory being given to the wrong side. The longest decision took 50 seconds … that’s far less than the time wasted when players surround the ref to dispute a decision.

    It’s a no brainer. Video replays should be used to get decisions right in top flight games. The added bonus would mean that refs cannot be got at, and any subliminal bias they may have will become less influential on games.

  64. RC78 says:

    Rasp – indeed. It went against France but the decisions were correct.

    However, the refs shall now let an action finish before they whistle…Indeed, Mbappe was ruled off-side when he was not and the ref blew his whistle. They should have let the play go on and if he scored, they should have checked the video to see if he was offside.

    The use of video is very positive but it needs to also enable the play to go on before the video is reviewed. Othewise, some refereeing mistakes would still hurt the game

  65. GunnerN5 says:

    RC78,

    I would offer that the replay review should take place on the following;

    1. Goals scored
    2. Penalties
    3. Red card decisions

    These are the main decision’s that can affect the outcome of a game.
    I also feel that it will have the effect of speeding up a game that would otherwise be held up by players disputing the decisions. In North America a video replay review is used by the TV networks to run revenue creating ads and the game restarts once the ads are over.

  66. GunnerN5 says:

    The replay rules over here state that a decision made by an on field official can only be overturned if there is irrefutable evidence that it was the wrong decision.

  67. mickydidit89 says:

    We need to get the band back together again
    Know what I’m saying?

  68. GunnerN5 says:

    Has it disbanded ?

  69. mickydidit89 says:

    Ooops sorry GN5

    Bloody international breaks suck the life out of us domestic fans.

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  72. mickydidit89 says:

    6:47 Politics. Excellent international break topic. Can we do religion also. Always a winner 🙂

    EDDDDDDIEEEEEEE

  73. mickydidit89 says:

    ps neither of the vids work

  74. mickydidit89 says:

    I know we need a post, but crikey, does it have to be about football?

    I’ll be fine again on match day, but between games, I’m struggling. What’s the medicine?

  75. Rasp says:

    Morning Micky … suggestions for posts … Brexit, Wexit, Alexit, Mesutexit 🙂

  76. mickydidit89 says:

    Be honest Rasp, do you care?

  77. mickydidit89 says:

    Sorry, didn’t mean that, more like boooooooring 🙂

    Just blame the Russians for anything 🙂

  78. Zed says:

    Morning Folks, 🙂

    Mickish, I was watching the unveiling of a statue to honour Christiano Ronaldo and it was the quirkiest, cheekiest and the most twinkly eyed piece of ‘art’ I have ever seen.

    I immediately wondered which of you or Terry had snuck a statue of yourself into the theatre and passed it off as Ronaldo.

    Kudos to whoever it was!! 😀

  79. Rasp says:

    🙂 Micky … not any more 🙂

  80. fred1266 says:

    What about Raspexit

  81. GunnerN5 says:

    Jus to break the trend here’s some football news.

    Team news: Cech, Cazorla, Ozil, Lucas

    Arsène Wenger provided plenty of early team news at his pre-Manchester City press conference.

    The boss gave updates on Petr Cech, Lucas and Santi Cazorla, and also discussed Mesut Ozil’s fitness.

    This is what he said:

    on early team news…
    We have lost Petr Cech at West Brom – he will not be fit for Sunday. Apart from that Cazorla, Lucas as well is not fit. That should basically be it.

    on Lucas’ problem…
    He has a thigh problem.

    on Cech timescale…
    I think he could miss Sunday and Wednesday against West Ham. He may be available again after.

    on Cazorla update…
    Unfortunately no. I think the season is over for him.

    on Mesut and whether he’s able to start again…
    He is, yes. He is in contention to start again. He played 20 minutes with Germany in Azerbaijan and he came back focused and worked very hard this week.

    Read more at http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20170330/team-news-cech-cazorla-ozil-lucas#prYG0ar8UO5BXpM7.99

  82. Big Raddy says:

    Not happy about Petr, especially against WHU where Andy Carroll will bully Ospina.

    Sad for Lucas as he hasn’t had the season we all hoped for.

    Can’t think of a post at present but may have something by tomorrow.

  83. jjgsol says:

    It is common, I think, for a new foreign player to find the first season in the EPL difficult to get used to, so one usually should not expect too much from a new signing in the first year.

    Occasionally a player hits the ground running, like Sanchez, but I would normally not expect much until the 2nd season.

    Clearly, AW feels the same, which is why he started Xzakha off so slowly and why he has been using Lucas sparingly. Even then, has he not picked up a few injuries, even though he has not played that much?

    Ospina will need protection from Carroll, but so would Czech as well.

    I wonder if our weakness against crosses and set plays does not stem from the zonal marking which seems not to be working, in my humble view

  84. Rasp says:

    Thanks Fred 😦

    We made fundamental defensive mistakes against WBrom … one of which was that it appears there is no player designated to stop an opposition player blocking our goalkeeper. This is something pretty much every other EPL team does. The opposition will be aware of this and capitalize on it. Conceding the first headed goal was bad enough, but the failure to address this problem in the dressing room at half time was very poor. We learnt nothing from the first goal.

  85. Rasp says:

    … in addition, our CB’s are too lightweight for zonal marking and our midfielders are not schooled to block the runs of the opposition players attacking crosses … apart from that we’ve got everything right defensively 🙂

  86. fatgingergooner says:

    At the beginning of the season Wenger was talking about judging himself and his performance at the end of the season and making a decision based on that. He’s now saying he’s always been clear in his mind about what he wanted to do. If performance is not relevant (as finishing outside top 4 and without a trophy would prove) and Wenger ‘is clear in his mind’ then why the f*** didn’t this get sorted ages ago?

  87. mickydidit89 says:

    Oh come on, you too can feel that match day tingle coming on.

    Friday tomorrow and we’re in the starting blocks for the weekend.

  88. mickydidit89 says:

    FGG

    I don’t see the contradiction.

    He’d judge himself in May, and he’s clear in his mind what he wanted to do (judge himself in May).

  89. GunnerN5 says:

    The popular thought trend is that he will sign on for another two years – but as usual only “Arsene knows”

  90. mickydidit89 says:

    Never listen to the populous GN5, they’re disgusting and almost always wrong 🙂

  91. mickydidit89 says:

    Damn, I’m that close to doing formations for Sunday

    Do we reckon Sanchez will play?

    Thing is, whatever I believe the club should or should not do, I simply cannot help getting excited by Arsenal at home to Man City.

  92. GunnerN5 says:

    Okay Micky I’ll be sure to listen to you and take your sage advice.

  93. GunnerN5 says:

    Micky I’m always excited to see our team play but in particular against the top sides.

  94. mickydidit89 says:

    I would never recommend anyone ever take my advice GN5 🙂

  95. GunnerN5 says:

    Now I’m confused – do I or don’t I? I hate making big decisions.

  96. GunnerN5 says:

    Off out on a grocery run.

  97. fred1266 says:

    Excited you say micky,

  98. fatgingergooner says:

    If his criteria was finishing top half then he’s achieved it. Well done Arsene! New contract please. 😂

  99. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    24 hours of chilly rain yesterday, this morning warm and muggy – strange. I blame Arthur Scargill.

  100. chas says:

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  103. mickydidit89 says:

    Morning Erik

    Very tight schedule this morning. Leave in 20 mins, ending up with viola lesson at 9:30 and I have not mastered C Minor. Right bastard as it has three flats.

  104. mickydidit89 says:

    6:52 ROLF

    Chas motning
    Still cannot make your vids work. Think something went wrong with my laptop when in E14.

    I do remember it asking me if I wanted to do something, or not, and I said yes.

  105. Big Raddy says:

    Vids work fine on mine. Stop buying cheap Armstrad crap computers

  106. mickydidit89 says:

    Yeah but you’re a goody goody and read all the terms and conditions before ticking the I agree box

    You’ve probably got a lawyer 🙂

  107. Big Raddy says:

    😀 😀

    There is a New Post (just to move on from the old comments)

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