Luck be a Lady tonight.

This is one of Frank Sinatra’s career highlights (just listen to the arrangement by Billy May and the Nelson Riddle Orchestra). The lyrics tell of a gambler and his relationship to luck and romance.

Last night City were being humiliated at home by a 10 man Bayern and yet with within 3 minutes two of the world’s most reliable defenders make elementary mistakes leading to a highly unlikely MC victory. True, the goals were well taken but the victory was as lucky as I have seen in many a year. Furthermore, MU’s win on Saturday was secured by a healthy dose of good fortune

Some people say “you make your own luck” which quite frankly is total bolleaux. Whilst accepting that hard work has an influence upon results there is such a thing as good fortune and in Arsenal’s case, bad fortune. How else can one explain the two long term injuries in the only area of the pitch we were inadequately covered? Or the shots to goals ratio or the increasing number of wrong refereeing decisions or the opposition scoring more goals than shots taken or two GK’s out or Giroud not in the squad as Welbz gets hurt or the Ozil and Theo situations or the  …..  you get the picture.

Mr Wenger says he is confident we will have a good season, for him to be correct tonight is a good starting point because we play a fine opponent. Borussia Dortmund are tonight’s victims and are having their worst start to a season under Klopp. They have a lengthy injury list yet have already qualified as winners of the group.   As I have written 3 times about Dortmund in the past 2 seasons – that’s your lot about them!

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Proper Fans

They can be beaten. This is How: We attack with more menace, defend with greater cohesion And our Luck turns. With those three elements in place we can beat anyone.

No need to go through the team, if you bother to read an Arsenal blog you probably have as good an idea as I do! Instead let us look once again at the midfield …. to Flamini or Rosicky? Should Santi be dropped for Podolski?

If Welbeck is injured it must be better to play Podolski with Alexis central than to give another start to Sanogo.  Rosicky may be less defensively capable but Flamini brings nothing to the attack and Tomas always brings momentum from midfield. We are at home – we attack. Simple. But Mr Wenger will almost certainly disagree and start with the Arteta/Flamini axis.

What a night for young Martinez.  A first home start for the 22 y.o. Argentinian – please let the gods of good fortune shine upon him and give him an error free evening.

Ox to score tonight. You can do it for England now do it for those who pay your wages!

Very Important. How do we influence a change of luck? I have tried changing lucky socks – didn’t work. I have moved my Ganesh to face the TV screen – nothing changed.  Stopped using my lucky toothpaste – nada. Changed my lucky Valpolicella to a so far unlucky Merlot. Stopped eating the lucky cake and am trying various crispy snacks. Stopped wearing my 49’er shirt and gone back to wearing the home shirt. All to no avail.

Have you got any ideas?

COYRRG

Written by Big Raddy

 

 

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330 Responses to Luck be a Lady tonight.

  1. Nice one Raddish

    We won’t need any luck tonight, we’ll win without it.

    For luk I wear a pair of womens red thong knickers. It started a couple of years ago. I’d spent the night with a woman at her place. In the morning I saw her face and decided to get dressed quickly and sneak out. But I couldn’t find my pants so I slipped on her red knickers, got dressed and quietly sneaked out.
    I didn’t go home but went to a bar for a drink to steady my nerves and forget about her boat race. Anyway, Arsenal were playing the Spuds that day so I stayed at the bar to watch the match. 2-0 down and we won 5-2. I’ve been wearing those knickers for every match since. They have yet to be washed 🙂

  2. Rasp says:

    Thanks Raddy, I know your PM is tongue in cheek, but I despair at the idea of blaming luck for the outcome of football matches.

    If we allowed the players to believe it was down to luck in any measure, they could see that as absolving them from the responsibility of affecting outcomes. We have to say bugger luck, good or bad, we’re going to make sure we have control of our destiny.

  3. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp. I don’t put all our misfortune down to bad luck and of course hard work and planning are essential but surely you can accept we have not had the rub of the green. Take Gibbs OG resulting in an injury to our No.1.

    I realise we have a different life motif but in my opinion luck drives almost everything that happens, starting with conception. As we hippies like to say …. It’s just Karma, man.

    NB. Change them or wash them !!!

  4. Rasp says:

    Hi Raddy, actually you could just as easily look back to the poor play that caused us to lose possession leading up to the OG – was that bad luck? It wasn’t down to luck that Sz didn’t call for the ball, it was human decision making. Without that, what you perceive as bad luck would never have happened. It could be construed as bad luck if you lose the toss of a coin 3 times in a row, but where kicking a football is concerned, the player dictates the outcome 😛

  5. The Cockie Monster says:

    Nice one Rads………………you wouldn`t believe the superstitions I go through on a match day for some luck, it`s a list too long to bore you with, but some of Arsenal s recent defending has nothing to do with luck and for everyone who thinks Wenger is or isn`t a good defensive coach, I cant believe he would have condoned or gave instructions for Mertsnailers positioning for the Rooney goal !. It`s total inept unprofessionalism at it`s best !.
    Just on point to qualify, I`d take the draw now !.

  6. fatgingergooner says:

    I think a draw suits both teams, so I expect that to be the result. Yes, we can technically still win the group, but that means a lot of things happening that we cannot control. I say make sure we don’t lose and then play the reserves in the last CL game.

    I hope Koscielny doesn’t start tonight and is saved for West Brom. I’d rather us put full strength out to win that game than this one.

    2-2 I reckon.

  7. Ant says:

    Hi everyone,
    JC’s ticket has not sold on the exchange so there is a space sitting with Chas and I for tonight’s game (Ant and Duck show not included). The price is reduced to £40 and we could meet either in the Faltering Fullback pub near Finsbury Park or outside entrance J. Please reply in the comments if you are interested?

  8. The Cockie Monster says:

    I was thinking about that ginge, if we draw the game we should play the reserves in the last game, but then I thought ….hold on, this Arsene we are talking about and remembered when we had a last dead runner game in Greece a few years back and he decided to play quite a few first choices and we ended up with two long term injuries !. I was livid at the time, thinking this manager is supposed to be intelligent !……common sense went out the window !.

  9. The Cockie Monster says:

    No it`s not April 1st !.
    I thought after meeting peaches at the Arsenal Tavern , that she smelled of flowers because she was a Landscape Gardener !. hahaha

    http://metro.co.uk/2014/11/26/frenchman-creates-pill-to-make-your-farts-smell-of-roses-and-chocolate-4963092/

  10. Rasp says:

    This is bad luck 😆

  11. The Cockie Monster says:

    And another brilliant one from newsnow !………….security has been stepped up on ..”I`m a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here ! ” because of news that a local murderer is hiding in the jungle !………………….I`d pay good money to see Edwina Curry put in a dark room, murderer with hammer in hand for the best ever….. bush tucker trial !……….” Edwina, you can win ten stars for your fellow celebs or you will be seeing plenty of stars, you have ten years to try and escape or die and get early parole ! “

  12. The Cockie Monster says:

    Don’t forget that the U19`s CL game vs Dortmund is live on Arsenal player @ 2pm !

  13. G’day all, Well down Raddy, another fine pre-match.

    Luck eh! Well we could certainly do with some, of the “good” variety for a change.

    I don’t expect much of a change in attitude from either the manager or the team.

    Two revealing statements from two very different managers, both under pressure after a poor start to the season.

    Arsene Wenger answering criticism from one of his biggest supporters, up to now, Alisher Usmanov, who said that Wenger needed to strengthen (the squad) in every department, is failing to learn from past mistakes and is being restricted by his principals.

    “We have values at this club” said Wenger. “The first is that when we go through a difficult patch, we show solidarity”. “What is important is how close we are together inside the club and how much we can respond to people who question our quality”. Wenger went on “I believe that this group of players will have a very strong season”. “I’m ready to bet with you on that. I’m long enough in the game to know if there is something there or not. There’s a lot there. It is one of the best teams I’ve had for a long time”.

    Asked if he questioned himself and whether Arsenal were in crisis, Wenger replied “When you are so long in football, you don’t really understand what crisis means. I believe in what I do and I believe specially in my players. I question myself every day and I hope that you do that as well”.

    Brendan Rodgers ahead of a critical match in Bulgaria. “The philosophy is important and we know how we want to work, but you need to find results,” We would take a scrappy win. Listen, you can’t always play perfect football. It is going to be tough. We want to get a result. I think that has been the case now for a number of weeks. We need to improve, we need to be better. You talk about sport – you need to have persistence, you need to have resilience. That persistence gets you through.”

    One manager seems almost myopically to stick to his guns. The other is prepared to put aside the dogma and find a way to win.

  14. Shard says:

    Raddy

    I’m completely with you in terms of luck playing a very big part in life, and in football too.

    I also agree with your examples, except the one of shots to goal ratio. That we concede more goals from less shots, and score less from more shots, is down to poor defending and poor finishing. (I do believe though that we have enough quality to get those numbers to stabilise at a more ‘normal’ level)

    Rasp
    I can’t believe that you would ignore that Gibbs was pushed into Szczesny as he went to punch the ball. Whether we lost the ball earlier (this is bound to happen at some point in a game) and whether Szcz called for it or not, Gibbs does not collide like that with him if he is not fouled (and it is a very dangerous foul at that) and that own goal doesn’t happen. It is such a pattern with Mike Dean (and various other referees) that I wouldn’t even call it luck. It’s just out of Arsenal’s control.

    We didn’t get ‘lucky’ with Wilshere not getting a red card either since that is exactly how Dean controls the game. We should have had a penalty, and we shouldn’t have conceded, if the ref did his job. That he also gave Wilshere a supposed reprieve after contributing to winding him up, is not luck. It is him appearing to be balanced. He’s very good at that.

  15. ha ha Cockie

    I’ve been buying those sweet fart pills for the last year. 30 euros for 200… but all they do is make your wind smell of bad eggs and chocolate, puts you right off chocolate. But trust a frog to come up with the idea 🙂

  16. RA says:

    I think you are on to something here Ruddy, with luck a way of saying there are cosmic forces out there that affect our lives all the time.

    The guy who always uses the same numbers for the lottery makes a mistake and enters the wrong number and wins £10m.

    The person who changes their flight plans for no real reason and does not catch a plane that crashes.

    We have all heard such stories so to dismiss the existence of luck – is a mistake, Mr Rasper. 🙂

    Luckily, I have a solution for the Arsenal.

    It requires an object, which can be of limited value, to be placed under the corner flags at each end of the pitch, before the game.
    Now given the short time available to us, I would suggest that we seek 4 volunteers from the AA bloggers to sacrifice themselves in order to turn our luck around – I would put myself forward, of course, but I am washing my hair tonight – so, my opening suggestions are; the Rasper (as he needs to be shown that luck is tangible); and your goodself, Raddish, as you brought the subject up – and then maybe Terry as he would do anything for the Arse, and with him we would have Cocker, as he would not let Terry Telescope go on his own.

    There will be a big win tonite, and I would like to thank you guys — in advance!! 🙂

    I’m an accountant – so you can trust me!!

  17. Shard says:

    I knew Raddy was a hippy, but that he actually has a Ganesh idol was surprising 🙂

  18. RA says:

    Oh, and perhaps we can stick Shard under the goal area at the NorthBank end – he can keep uttering imprecations against the ref. and spare us 🙂

  19. The Cockie Monster says:

    Penalty to young guns !.

  20. The Cockie Monster says:

    Crowley over the cross bar !.

  21. Shard says:

    RA

    I’m prepared to learn voodoo and stick a pin in the ref’s arse whenever he gives an incorrect decision against us. With Dean, I’ll just do it all the time except when Arsenal score. I’m sure he’ll quickly figure out what the right thing to do is 🙂

  22. RA says:

    Excellent Shard! 🙂

    So we will keep you for voodoo purposes and generally sticking it into Dean — and stick North bank under the goal at the North Bank end – which is probably more appropriate anyway! 😀

  23. The Cockie Monster says:

    Cosmic forces at force, Redders ?…..Just keep taking the pills and `69er will smell the roses from Uranus !.

  24. GunnerN5 says:

    NG,

    Rogers has managed only 126 PL games with a record of W53, D33, L41. vs Wenger who has managed 688 PL games with a record of W396, D173, L 119.

    This season Rogers PL record is managed 12, W4, D2, L6.

    He needs to sound confident and positive in his interviews as his record speaks for itself – pretty ordinary.

  25. kelsey says:

    Well done Raddy

    These pre match and post match posts are really difficult this season and it causes a bigger divide amongst the fans than for many a year.
    I know you are a great Rosicky fan, and who knows why he gets so little game time,when others are completely out of form.

    I think a lot of our injuries are caused because players come back into the side when they are not 100% fit and for that reason alone it maybe a huge gamble to play Kos tonight, yet out of all our defensive players we miss him the most.

    I shall be wearing my Mertesacker shorts as pyjama bottoms tonight but might just keep the shades on 🙂

    I would also start Podolski at least for an hour. He has no future at the club but might want to put himself in the shop window, and then there is Campbell who plays well against foreign sides.He might be able to do a job from the wing a bit like Walcott, but as usual I am sure I am wrong as AW will have other ideas.

  26. RA says:

    1:0 to the kids! 😉

  27. arnie says:

    Nice one, Raddy. 🙂

    To be fair, I am firmly in the “you make your own luck” camp. Having said that, I would take any crumbs that come our way today.

    Busy, back laters. COYG. 🙂

  28. The Cockie Monster says:

    Mavididi scores !.

  29. RA says:

    Gideon Zellalem is having a great game.

  30. GunnerN5 says:

    Oh dear Part one of the move to our new home today so I and recording the game and will watch it over dinner at 7:00pm tonight.

    Wii just have to keep clear of the TV and Internet for 4/5 hours.

  31. The Cockie Monster says:

    I will eat `69ers chorizo if Crowley doesn`t become a superstar !……………………..offside Mavididi !

  32. arnie

    I’m generally in the same camp of ‘you make your own luck’ but sometimes fate intervenes. An example, recently I was driving on my way home from a job, although I didn’t need petrol urgently I decided to visit the garage to fill up. The 15 minutes later as I entered the street to my flat, a car came out of a side turning without stopping and caved in the right front wing of my car.
    15 minutes early I would have taken the same route and not been in an accident. Is that bad luck or me making my own luck by making the decision to go to the garage ? or is it c’est la vie?

  33. Cockie,

    Be it on your own head, I’ll hold you to that promise 🙂

  34. Rasp says:

    Hi Shard. Re: your comment @ 2:18 …….. “I can’t believe that you would ignore that Gibbs was pushed into Szczesny as he went to punch the ball.” …. once again you demonstrate your talent for misinterpreting my words 😦

    The discussion was on the topic of luck. I’m not ignoring anything, just making the point that to blame such events on luck is just another form of ‘deflection’ – like scapegoating players or blaming the referees.

    Was it bad luck that we weren’t already 2 or 3 up before they scored their first? – no it was poor finishing by us on the day. Was it bad luck that we committed too many forward before conceding the second – no, it was bad judgement by the players.

    The only bit of bad luck in the game was the deflection off Gibbs that could have gone anywhere, but wrongfooted the keeper and found the back of the net, everything else was down to us – not luck.

  35. RA says:

    NB,

    As some people don’t believe in luck and everyone cn agree that you cannot see it, lick it or any other thing — how the sod can you make it?

    Loony tunes – the pair of you! 🙂

  36. Rasp says:

    Hi Redders … re your @ 2:27 “to dismiss the existence of luck – is a mistake, Mr Rasper. 🙂 ”

    I’m not dismissing the emotional response to events that are different to the expected norm by describing them as luck, I’m just pointing out that to blame poor performances on luck, or the ref, or particular players just fuels the rather unhealthy persecution complex of some supporters. 😛

  37. RA

    You can’t see, lick or any other thing when it comes to fate, but when it happens to you, you can feel it. But I get what you are trying to get at. You can make your own luck however by being in the right place at the right time 🙂 something I have failed at for most of my life.

  38. kelsey says:

    In Spain they sell a product known as The Weekend Pill, 20 times stronger than Viagra, NB shall I give you the supplier 🙂

  39. RA

    If you’d been working in one of the twin towers on 9/11 and decided to go out and get yourself a BLT and a coffee ten minutes before the planes hit, what would you call that?

  40. Kels

    It’s called Cialis and it lasts for 36 hours.. 🙂

  41. The Cockie Monster says:

    The antidote to Viagra is `69ers avatar !. hahaha

  42. kelsey says:

    Shard

    One day I might agree with you,but not on this occasion. There was a total lack of communication between OPIG and Gibbs. The keeper should have come out and fisted the ball away, that Fellani shoved Gibbs is a fact.
    Lack of communication and wrong positioning by our defence is often the reason we get caught out on the counter attack and concede.It happens time after time.

  43. kelsey says:

    Silly me, I should have thought you would know 🙂

  44. Eddie says:

    Raddy you silly man 🙂 do you really believe that a pair of socks can have any influenze on a game? Ha ha ha, I’ve heard it all now.
    It is all about mugs! Did you not know that you must not drink from the away blue Arsenal mug on home game days and from the red home mug on away day games?? You got that one wrong and we lose, that’s all there is to it. Or so I thought after I finally washed my lucky and stinking shirt.

    And never talk to your mother on match days, it automatically means a draw. Other than that….not sure.

    Good luck Martinez!! All the best xx

  45. Shard says:

    Whatever you say Rasp. I just think it is naive to believe that everything that happens on the football field is under the control of one set of players and the manager. You can call that variable not under their control as ‘luck’ or anything else you like. I also don’t expect players (or even the referee) to be perfect, since perfection doesn’t exist.

    Generally speaking though, you are correct. ‘Luck’ or those outside factors should not be enough to effect the outcome of the game (and even more, the season), especially since it is a contained environment with specific rules and so is not as random as ‘life’.

    However, the ‘luck’ factor increases because the upholding of those rules is dependent on human beings with biases and motivations (not enough is done to reduce these factors in football).

    Whether you think it is healthy or not to hold that point of view makes no difference to the fact that it is true 🙂

  46. kelsey says:

    Shard,

    have you ever played a card game called brag 🙂

  47. GN5, I wasn’t attempting to compare their managerial records, more their attitude to aversity. One sticks rigidly to his own agenda, the other is prepared to change things when his preferred system doesn’t work.

    Good luck with the move.

  48. Rasp says:

    Thanks Shard, once again you make the mistake of expressing your opinion as if it were fact – “is dependent on human beings with biases and motivations ” … that relates to corruption or subliminal bias … those are not governed by luck

    “However, the ‘luck’ factor increases because the upholding of those rules is dependent on human beings with biases and motivations (not enough is done to reduce these factors in football). – again nothing to do with luck – you say it yourself ……. “dependent on human beings with biases and motivations”

    Therefore your opinion is masquerading as a fact = “makes no difference to the fact that it is true” is in fact incorrect … in my opinion 🙂

  49. Shard says:

    kelsey

    I actually don’t know any card games. Except maybe…bluff 🙂

  50. Shard says:

    Rasp

    Eh?

  51. Shard says:

    As far as the players are concerned, since it is out of their control. it is a variable of ‘luck’.

  52. Shard says:

    Rasp

    My opinion would be that referees tend to screw Arsenal. That is an opinion, although from my view, a fairly self evident one.

    But it is a fact that the result of the game is affected by ‘luck’ or ‘chance’ or ‘fortune’ which is a variable beyond the control of the players.

    This variable is limited by the rules of the game (can you imagine how much ‘luck’ would be involved if say there were no limits on the number of players allowed, or the size of the goal wasn’t specified?), but not as limited as it should be because those rules are not absolute or exact in their enforcement.

  53. RA says:

    Sorry, NB, I was watching the U19s (just finished 1:0 to our kids).

    What you described (above) would be construed as ‘luck’.
    What I was saying is that you cannot ‘make’ your own luck.

    How can you make something over which you have absolutely no control?

    What Rasp is talking about has little to do with ‘luck’, it was simply that the consequence of Sanchez losing the ball, with all our defence, bar one, in the opposition half, led to the goal via two fouls and the referees poor decisions in not giving them.

    In that respect he is right – no loss of the ball, no impulsive defending upfield, and no refereeing error and there would not be a goal. 🙂

    I actually never claimed that was luck – there were 3 separate and avoidable mistakes made.

  54. The Cockie Monster says:

    Anyone seen the girls the 88 year old Hugh Hefner shags ?……..that`s what you call luck !………………I`m sure if he wasn`t a multi-millionaire and lived in a NHS care home, these playgirls would still be clambering all over him !, he`s such a lucky bastard, he must have a warehouse full of black cats, 4 leaf clovers and rabbits foots, no wonder there`s a world wide shortage of lucky charms !.

  55. RA says:

    Shard,

    Brag is played in India, I believe, and is known as ‘Flush’ or ‘Teen Patti’, and is part of the Civil Service examination requirements. 🙂

  56. Shard says:

    Oh teen patti!! Yeah I’ve played that, though I always found it more fun to watch. Card games really aren’t my thing. I don’t enjoy them. I might enjoy the maths behind them if I could understand it though. Yes, a nerd. That’s me 🙂

  57. RA says:

    It’s a stupid game, Shard, not for me either. 🙂

  58. Rasp says:

    Shard @ 4:03, I don’t know how I can make this any clearer. Refereeing bias, the enforcement of rules, all the other influences you cite have absolutely nothing to do with luck.

    Luck defines something random over which we have no power. Most of the problems perceived as affecting Arsenal can be rectified and have nothing to do with luck, to categorise them as luck simply ignores the problem.

  59. RA says:

    Isn’t that what I said – in different words, Rasper? 🙂

  60. Cockie

    Hugh Hefner also has the money to buy endless supplies of Cialis… however, if he was in a NHS home he couldn’t afford the pilld, and hence he wouldn’t be shagging the young girls.

  61. Rasp

    The team have no choice over the referee therefore it’s the luck of the draw. 🙂

  62. Rasp says:

    Yes NB, and guess what, the referee officiates over both teams and so that evens it out 😛

  63. Rasp says:

    No Redders 😀

  64. kelsey says:

    let’s all agree to disagree and have a rack of the day.

  65. Rasp says:

    Actually Redders, you summed it up perfectly for me – thanks 😛 your comment came up whilst I was typing mine and I skipped over it.

  66. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp. I doubt you will be surprised that I side completely with Shard in this discussion 🙂

    In my world luck/karma plays a huge part.

    But then I am one of those weirdo’s who believe in a higher power (and Richard Thompson).

    Shard. Yes, I have a Ganesh on my desk.

  67. RA says:

    RA said:

    What Rasp is talking about has little to do with ‘luck’, it was simply that the consequence of Sanchez losing the ball, with all our defence, bar one, in the opposition half, led to the goal via two fouls and the referees poor decisions in not giving them.

    In that respect he is right – no loss of the ball, no impulsive defending upfield, and no refereeing error and there would not be a goal.

    Rasp said:

    Luck defines something random over which we have no power. Most of the problems perceived as affecting Arsenal can be rectified and have nothing to do with luck

    There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see! 🙂

  68. Kelsey
    Chas isn’t here to post one

  69. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Your spot on Raddy, bad luck has cost us the title.

    That Utd game was laughable. We battered them then they got a fluke goal

    Course theres such a thing as luck. I myself was born wearing a wig. My parents first words on my arrival were “Can we take that other kid instead?”

    So the geezer who draws the short straw isnt unlucky hey? Try telling that to the bloke who has to suck poison from a mates nether regions. Thinking of it now, I cant remember any bloody straws.

    I do admit though, that saying “The harder you work, the luckier you get” holds a lot of merit.

    Whilst at school, the harder school bully Bates pushed to consume my head down the toilet, the luckier he got.

  70. Rasp says:

    That’s fine by me Raddy. if you choose to believe that our fate is being dictated by luck, you carry on, although I am curious as to why luck only affects the Arsenal … is it because one of your deities is a gooner? 🙂

  71. The Oxford Dictionary definition:

    Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one’s own actions:
    it was just luck that the first kick went in
    they’re supposed to bring good luck

  72. RA says:

    And my clarification came up as you were clarifying your earlier negatory response, Raspy Rasper — over – Rubber Duck. 🙂

  73. Big Raddy says:

    kelsey. 4.34 For once I agree with you …

  74. Rasp says:

    Well at last the lunatics have taken over the asylum 😛 Terry, I never said there was no such thing as luck, quite the opposite, I believe in the concept of luck, I just don’t apply it to things which we have the power to change ….. simples

  75. Rasp says:

    OK, I’ll take that as a submission by all you luckmongers 😆

  76. Big Raddy says:

    Ahh Rasp. You come to the famous Ying and Yang. Our misfortune was MU’s good fortune. 😀

    Thank goodness Didit isn’t here to accuse me of being a dope ruined hippy!

  77. RA says:

    IF I was the Head Master I would be waving my cane at you lot — everybody is reading things into the original thread that is more a figment of each imagination, and arguing about things the others did not say, or mean — so you are lucky that I am not!! 🙂

  78. A block named Jim was in the pub with his mates and told them that yesterday he won £50 on the lottery and from now on they should call him lucky Jim. A week later in the same pub he tells his mates that he had won a car on a television quiz so they should now call him Lucky Lucky Jim.
    A few week later he’s in the pub and tells his mates that he had just won a two week Carribean holiday at Bingo so they should call him Lucky Lucky Lucky Jim
    A fortnight later in the pub he tells his mates that he was in bed with a bird and a brick flew through the window and hit her right in the fanny so now they should call him lucky Lucky Lucky Lucky Jim. But a mate says to him, but what was lucky about that, and he replies, two seconds earlier my head had been there.

  79. RA says:

    So — as there have not been any howls of disagreement, I take it that Terry, Cockie, Rasp and Ruddy Radish will accept their duty to be interred tonite under the corner flags, and with NB under the NB goal?

    Excellent — your fellow bloggers salute you!! 🙂

  80. Shard says:

    Rasp

    ‘Luck defines something random over which we have no power’

    What power do Arsenal have over a referee ignoring a blatant hack at a player’s legs in the penalty area?

    I guess you could say that they could change their style of play to reduce the possible effects, run faster than the defender so as to not give him a chance to even foul in the first place, they could increase their performance by a factor of 10, score from every chance they create etc etc. Do that and most probably, we’ll win regardless of what the referee does. Firstly how realistic, or rather reasonable is that? Also, even then, there will remain a measure of randomness (by which I mean something out of the player’s control) there, which can never be made to reach zero. This is a fact.

    But, I am not talking about only Arsenal in relation to referee bias here.

    In the absence of (quantifiable) data, you may differ in your opinion on how much the ‘randomness’/’luck’ is a factor on a result of a game.

    Let’s take, for example, the weather. It is not in control of the team, yet will have an effect on the game, ie, it is a random factor. We could reduce the effect of the weather by playing in an indoor stadium so as to make it negligible, or we could just assume that it is negligible anyway. Which is what football generally does, but cricket doesn’t when it stops for rain, or indeed in choosing to bat or bowl depending on the weather. (perhaps because it is a bigger factor on the result and is recognised as such)

    The assumption that you make when you say that we shouldn’t focus on what the referee did, rather look at ourselves, is that the referee’s role in determining the outcome of a game is negligible. That doesn’t mean ‘luck’ doesn’t exist. It just means you choose to ignore its presence. Cricket for example chooses not to overlook this ‘randomness’ and hence has tv umpires to try and reduce it.

  81. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Oi 69, that morning you woke and scarperd upon seeing your conquests boat? Sure you wasnt a reflection? hahaha

    I only say that mate, because one morning I woke up with a hangover and thought i saw a hairy balding goggle eyed bastard looking at me.

    Every were I went that day, coffee shop, work, etc I kept catching the ugly git looking at me.

    The final straw was when i visited the work urinal and upon looking at the mirror, the creep was standing there giving me the eye.

    I called the old bill and whilst giving them a description they gave me a funny look and asked if there was anything else. i said, yeah,, he has a very small cock. hahaha

  82. Rasp says:

    For goodness sake Shard, drop it!! Why do you always have the last word?

    I am not happy at having to repeat myself. If the referee chooses to exercise his bias against us, he makes a conscious decision – it is not luck. The weather affects both teams and is an accepted random variant of playing a game outdoors, we should be able to deal with weather conditions in the same way as the opposition.

    None of this is luck. Hitting the post or the bar is not bad luck, the shot was just very slightly off target. Nothing that involves decision making can be described as luck.

  83. Rasp

    Tell that to Lucky Lucky Lucky Lucky Jim 🙂

  84. Human decisions can lead to certain fortune or misfortune. It happens evry day of our lives

  85. Big Raddy says:

    As Redders has already asked, can you two please play nice.

    There is no middle ground in your arguments so just let it go.

    Let us instead focus on the important match which kicks off in a couple of hours .

    Who do you think gets to play?

  86. Rasp says:

    Yes NB, human decisions. You lot can believe that the whole world is against Arsenal, but I bet in your private lives and businesses you left as little to luck as possible and legislated and controlled and managed things

  87. Shard says:

    Rasp

    I’m not trying to have the last word. Like I joked earlier, it matters not what you believe. I was simply trying to clarify the distinction between our differing versions of luck. While you seem to view luck from a general point of view, I was looking at it, as pertains to a game of football, more as a mathematical construct. I never intended the discussion to get out of hand like it has.

  88. Rasp says:

    Raddy, I don’t need you to tell me to play nice, I don’t appreciate being picked up on the minutiae of every word I say it’s very tiresome and argumentative and should not be a part of blogging

  89. I’ll give you an example. I was walking home one day, and I always take the same route. But en route there is a fork in the street, normally I take the right fork, but the left route still gets me home. This day I decided to take the left fork for a change and 5 minutes later I bumped into a bird I’d fancied for a long time but had not seen for ages. She invited me to a party she was having at the weekend and I got me end away. Just because of a choice I made. Luck

  90. stevepalmer1 says:

    Evening all, Nice one Raddy;
    Yep your right about luck, you either have it or you dont, we will certainly need some tonight.

    I will feel lucky if i see a chain around our centre backs legs shackled to a goal post, with only enough links to be just short of the half way line.

    Just thought i would mention Northbanks snap at 4,45 blinding Lucky girl. that looks a lucky shirt if ever i saw one,

  91. My team for tonight:

    ______________ martinez_______________
    Bellerin_____Mert________Kos______Gibbs
    ______________Chambers______________
    ________Ramsey_________Arteta________
    Oxlade—————————————-Sanchez
    ———————-Welbeck————————–

    Well, I can dream

  92. kelsey says:

    You always want the last word Shard, I have told you on at least two occasions,but you don’t take a blind bit of notice. It must be in your DNA.

  93. RA says:

    Shard,

    I sometimes think that you only see what you want to,

    Rasp has said that luck is something we have no control over — and then you ask him;

    “What power do Arsenal have over a referee ignoring a blatant hack at a player’s legs in the penalty area?”

    The answer is — None – which is what he has been consistently saying. D’Oh! 🙂

  94. stevepalmer1 says:

    Luck comes in many forms Czezesney out and Martinez in, i would like to see Ozil taking Ramseys place with Chambers behind him i would like to see Campbell in jacks place with Monreal behind him, Back four we don’t have much option, Belerin BFG Kosi and Gibbo Pod and Sanchez up front. If that happens i feel lucky.

  95. Shard says:

    RA

    And then he also said if a ref makes the choice to not award a penalty to us, it isn’t luck. Go figure.

  96. RA says:

    Could everyone not encourage Shard to go on and on about the bloody referees, please – or I might just as well go onto UA and get it from the horse’s ass mouth.

    Thank you. 🙂

  97. Shard says:

    kelsey

    That is your opinion. Not a fact 😛

    That having the last word bit is not my intention, regardless of how it comes across. I just don’t give up easily on finding a consensus.

  98. RA says:

    Exactly!

    Rasp said it isn’t luck. Bad play from the players is not a matter of bad luck. Bad refereeing decisions are not bad luck.
    What is so difficult to understand?

    Just leave it, Shard, please. 🙂

  99. I’m not encouraging anyone 🙂

  100. The Cockie Monster says:

    Indeed !…… ` 69er took the left fork and got his end away, but I think the luck was that the woman was blind !. hahaha

  101. Shard says:

    RA

    It’s been many months since I visited UA, and I wasn’t even bloody complaining about the referees and Arsenal today.

    It’s all fun and games associating UA with me and that’s fine, but I do have things to say beyond that, even when talking about referees. Which is why I’m not there right now and instead am on here pissing people off.

  102. RA says:

    That certainly sounds like bad luck to me, NB.

    If you had gone the other way you would have met two willing beauties – well maybe not beauties exactly – Terry and Cockie. 🙂

  103. RA says:

    Last word again, Shard, eh?

    Feel free – I’m off.

  104. Shard says:

    Great

    So now any time anyone wants the last word themselves they just say ‘you always want the last word’, and I’m automatically the bad guy. Or excuse me, ‘tiresome and argumentative’.

    Here I thought I was among friends who would at the very least make an effort to understand where I was coming from.

    Goodbye.

  105. RA says:

    Look here, NB,

    I know I have a big head, but my nipples do not line up with my armpits. And if they do – Raddy promised not to tell anyone!! 😀

  106. I don’t know about others but I’ve got a nice sausage stew with carrots and celery with dumplings to eat tonight…. Now that’s a fact 🙂

  107. RA says:

    Let’s just get back to football.

    Do we have a game tonite, by any chance? 🙂

  108. The Cockie Monster says:

    How can your ears line up with your nipples ?…….my nans tits dangle by her knees !.

  109. RA says:

    Steak/frites, and mushrooms for me, NB.

    I need sustenance to get me thru’ the 90 minutes. 🙂

  110. RA says:

    A vertical measurement, Cocker, not horizontal — and stop getting NB into a lather!! 🙂

  111. kelsey says:

    I have got a Tesco fish pie tonight. Easy on the teeth 🙂

  112. ha ha Cockie

    Just go back to the bird I posted at 5:46pm and look where her ears are compared to her nipples…. it’s a fact and as an Artist I know this. No luck involved 🙂

  113. Big Raddy says:

    Can Arteta play tonight? Didn’t he get a red card?

  114. Kels

    What, put through the mixer and then sucked through a straw 🙂

  115. kelsey says:

    Absolutely NB, then cook it.

  116. RA
    Fried mushrooms I hope………. and what’s Big Brenda eating, or shouldn’t I ask

  117. RockyLives says:

    Very entertaining BR 🙂

    We’ll win tonight – I have no doubt.

    It would be typically “Arsenal” thing to do.

  118. Well that seems to be it……….. Shard has got the hump and pissed off, Rasp probably the same, Cockie has gone to his Nans to see if her nipples line up with her ankles, Kels is sucking on his Tesco fish pie and Raddy……. well, Raddy is Raddy, probably turning his Ganesh towards the East.

  119. And RA is eating his fried mushrooms steak and chips with Big Brenda 🙂

  120. Eddie says:

    City fans were calling TalkSport radio today in response to very provocative ‘yesterda’s win was just papering the cracks; with Bayern down to 10 men City failed to dominate even 5mins of the game; Aguerro will be leaving this summer for Spain, bla bla bla’, you know the boring script they use to wind up fans of a team that played the night before.

    What was interesting was the praises for sheikh Mansour. Good owner, investing heavily in the club and the area. People love him there. I must say that until Nasri gate I liked City and had hoped they will knock off Chavs off the pedestal for good.

    Did any of you notice Bayern’s free kick? Unmarked player jumping up and down until the ball is kicked, and then he jumps sideways making a huge gap in the wall – the ball travels smoothly to the net. It was really funny 🙂

  121. Only one thing left to do:

  122. The Cockie Monster says:

    Hahaha `69er !……I think I need glasses like you !……as I checked on my nan and from a distance I thought…” that’s where I get my football skills from !”….. as she played keepy uppy with some cherry bakewells !…….on closer inspection, it turned out that she was just walking about naked kicking her tits !. hahaha.

  123. kelsey says:

    Arsenal: Martinez, Chambers, Mertesacker, Monreal, Gibbs, Arteta, Ramsey, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sanchez, Cazorla, Sanogo.

    Not very inspiring IMO

  124. Father Son talk

    A family is at the dinner table. The son asks the father, “Dad, how many kinds of boobs are there?” The father, surprised, answers, “Well, son, a woman goes through three phases. In her 20s, a woman’s breasts are like melons, round and firm. In her 30s and 40s, they are like pears, still nice, hanging a bit. After 50, they are like onions.” “Onions?” the son asks. “Yes. You see them and they make you cry.” This infuriated his wife and daughter. The daughter asks, “Mom, how many different kinds of willies are there?” The mother smiles and says, “Well, dear, a man goes through three phases also. In his 20s, his willy is like an oak tree, mighty and hard. In his 30s and 40s, it’s like a birch, flexible but reliable. After his 50s, it’s like a Christmas tree.” “A Christmas tree?” the daughter asks. “Yes, dead from the root up and the balls are just for decoration.”

  125. RA says:

    NB,

    Big Brenda has gone again. Sheesh, that girl can fart for England, and I never thought to ask you if there was anything she could take to improve the whiff.

    Actually, maybe I should put you two in touch – in a manner of speaking. 🙂

  126. wally says:

    Arsenal and bad luck are re-defining the notion of luck as a random event.

  127. RA says:

    NB, 🙂

    You rascal.

  128. wally says:

    Sanogo starts? Lord help us, please.

  129. RA says:

    NB,

    I remember just a short time ago that you did not have a clue about vids and the like – now you are approaching the master’s (Chas) dexterity in producing the things at a moment’s notice. 🙂

  130. RA says:

    wally, fear not Sanogo will score a hat-trick tonite – just not sure who for. 🙂

    We will be fine – the tide is turning.

  131. RA says:

    Damn! I missed the 6:32 Rocky comment – so that’s it for another week. 😦

  132. wally says:

    I hope so. He, we, they need it.

  133. 20 minutes to KO………. COYG’s

  134. Big Raddy says:

    Ganesh turned. Looking forward to the game though I have a house full for dinner. 13 !! Made an idiot’s lasagne with a tomato salad and an apple cake for desert. Should be done in time for the second half

  135. Raddy

    I understand an idiots Lasagne and a tomato salad, but what’s an Apple cake? and did you make it or buy it?

  136. RA says:

    Well a little time has gone by – and perhaps tempers have cooled, so Shard, I hope your ‘goodbye’ was just an adieu – of course you must come back – no one wants you to go. 🙂

    Rasper, this blog cannot continue without you – so – I know you have been quiet at times recently — but none of us can imagine AA without your regular attendance and sensible chat – and otherwise NB will run riot. 🙂

  137. Right I’ve got to close Mixcloud, which is a shame because playing some brilliant reggae at the moment. But need to search a good stream. The one I had on the weekend was Dutch and it was brilliant, no glitches or freezing.

  138. RA

    Moi………. run riot, desole mon ami, mais ca ce pas moi 🙂

  139. RA says:

    I told you, wally! 🙂

    Two more for his hat-trick.

  140. Fuck have we got a goal already

  141. kelsey says:

    i KNEW WENGER WAS A GENIUS

  142. RA says:

    Je suis désolé, mon ami, tu es très méchants. 🙂

  143. I can hear drums… is that Raddy on his bongos?

  144. RA says:

    Has your nose got just a tense bit longer Pinochio Kelsey?

  145. RA says:

    Is that what he calls them, NB?

  146. Eddie says:

    Borussia are in the relegation zone in Bundesliga, but our fans still want him to take over from Wenger. Makes sense

  147. Bloody hell, they’ve been practising hoof ball in training

  148. That was UNLUCKY for Arteta

  149. arnie says:

    ha ha ha ha ha. go go go Sanogo!!!!!!!! 🙂

  150. How do you pronounce this name: Großkreutz

  151. arnie says:

    very gross, NorthBank! 🙂

    your shiny ball in full view, Kelsey! 😛

  152. RA says:

    NB,

    The ß is like a double ‘s’ so like ‘gross kreutz’.

  153. RA says:

    arnie,

    I thought you were in some far flung country. Are you back in bonnie Scotland? 🙂

  154. arnie says:

    yes, Redders, Sconnie Botland it is! 🙂

  155. Eddie

    The Dortmund players have your name on the front of their shirts… evonne?

  156. How do you pronounce this name: Piszczek

  157. arnie says:

    NorthBank. LUCK is the thought of the day, indeed. 🙂

  158. arnie says:

    lovely save, Martinez! 🙂

  159. fatgingergooner says:

    If Wenger insists on having an Arteta type ball player as his HM then not many better than Gundogan out there. Great little player.

    If he wants power though then Bender is pretty good too.

    Good game so far. I love Chambers. For such a tall lad he’s got fantastic composure and quick feet. He’s going to be a top player, hopefully at CB.

  160. RA says:

    Piszczek = Piss check

    Anyway, what am I your bloody assistant? 🙂

  161. fatgingergooner says:

    NB,

    I’m pretty sure it’s piss-tek. 🙂

  162. How do you pronounce this name: Mkhitaryan

  163. Half time and we’re still winning 1-0….

  164. arnie says:

    must be: GROSS KRAUT and PISS TAKE. you evil man, NorthBank! 🙂

  165. Eddie says:

    RA – pishcheck is perfect 🙂 means one that makes squeaky noises

  166. RA says:

    FGG,

    Chambers is not as tall you might think. He is a little over 5′ 11″.

    I only know because when we bought him, ostensibly as a cover at CB, I looked it up and was a little worried we had another relatively short CB. But his quality is there to be seen — you are right. 🙂

  167. RA says:

    “one that makes squeaky noises”

    Is that ‘squeaky bum’ then, Eddie? 🙂

  168. RA says:

    Mkhitaryan = Mickey Tar ee an

  169. How do you pronounce this name: Klopp

  170. Big Raddy says:

    Happy with the half time score. Only saw the highlights but it looks like a good end to end game played by two teams with a similar philosophy,

    Come on Boys. Keep it going

  171. RA

    Bollo, I thought it may have been Micky taken

  172. Gööner In Exile says:

    Nice rematch Radster.

    Happy with the first half. 1-0 idol but it’s always a horrible score line in terms of tactics…..stick or twist.

    Stick an invite Dortmund pressure, twist and play into the counter attack?

    Lovely not of interplay between YaYa and Santi for the goal.

    I’m sure it’s been discussed to death but who is in the squad that meant Ollie couldn’t be? I can’t see how we have a full quota of players registered for CL but he is eligible for PL….someone may have bolleauxed that one up. But hey I guess it shows improvement in the treatment room, if we didn’t expect him back until January but he turns up rating to go before the end of November.

  173. Are you still playing your bongos Raddy… or messing in the kitchen with the apple cake?

  174. arnie says:

    come on, everyone, it’s all within the family. the AA family. unlike Usmanov! 🙂

  175. I’ve just served up my sausage stew with dumplings, but I have a problem when I look at the dumplings I can’t stop thinking of Cockies Nans boobies hanging down by her ankles ha ha

  176. Actually, this is the sort of banter I used to enjoy when at a match. My mates would tell you I was a right pain in the Arse

  177. How do you pronounce this name: Sanogo

  178. kelsey says:

    Don’t be so cheeky RA 🙂

    Gibbs best player on the pitch,Santi not far behind,but we need another as you know us 🙂

  179. RA says:

    Exile,

    Ollie is not in the team because he is not in the CL squad registered with UEFA – he recovered faster than expected.

    Do yo have an Apple Mac?

  180. RA says:

    Kelsey, have you got the names of the bench?

  181. Bloody hell, that half time went quick, just about had time to pour a glass of wine and eat one dumpling 🙂

  182. RA

    The Bench:

    06 Koscielny
    07 Rosicky
    09 Podolski
    20 Flamini
    28 Campbell
    39 Bellerin
    43 Huddart

  183. arnie says:

    Evonne. thank you. your comment in the motning batner was a pleasant surprise! 🙂

  184. fatgingergooner says:

    RA,

    Same height as Vermaelen apparently. Does look taller though. Speaking of Verm, papers saying he’s out for the season. £15m looks good now because he would’ve been useless to us anyway.

  185. Gööner In Exile says:

    RA I understand why he is not eligible I just don’t know why he wasn’t included…there is capacity for 25 over 21s like the PL….so who was named instead of him….my guess ale Coq.

    And yes I do own a Mac or two 🙂

  186. That was UNLUCKY for Sanchez

  187. arnie says:

    the quality of delivery on our corners has improved a bit, me thinks.

  188. GIE

    I own several Macs as well 🙂 Eddie knows a dirty old man when she sees one

  189. RA says:

    And the moaning minis would have blamed Wenger for TV’s injury, FGG. 🙂

  190. fatgingergooner says:

    That’s what I don’t understand. Chambers is right at the corner flag, yet Gibbs has still pushed up and left us struggling at the back.

    If he stays on the half way line then he can cover the CB’s if needed, which he nearly was, or, if Chambers gets out and we work the ball across the field then he will have loads of space to run into. By pushing up he’s doing neither job well.

  191. Gööner In Exile says:

    They seem to be doubling up on Alexis.

    Now that WAS unlucky from Ox

  192. arnie says:

    what an attempt, The Ox!!!!!!!! 🙂

  193. VERY VERY UNLUCKY TO HIT THE BAR FOR THE OX

  194. Gööner In Exile says:

    FGG a couple of weeks back RC78 (I think) was dreaming of one full back crossing for the other to score like Everton…..that can only happen if they both go up.

    Unfortunately there will never be a consensus on how we should play.

    I actually put that last break down to BFGs position more than Gibbs, I think we should sit ten yard deeper.

    Goaaaaaaaaaal Alexis

  195. arnie says:

    what a goal! beauty, oh Alexis!!!!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  196. RA says:

    Exile,

    Arlene pretty much admitted he was not expected back until the NewYear, and they got his recovery wrong — I suppose they figured he could be included in the next New Year UEFA list.

    I must pick your brain when you are around one day.

    Keychains/passwords are bugging me! 🙂

    YEEEEEEES – beautiful goal. 😀

  197. fatgingergooner says:

    RA,

    He did it playing against Russia at the World Cup, so I can see why many would blame Wenger!

    Great goal by Sanchez. What a pass from Cazorla too. He’s looked back to his best tonight.

  198. Lovely goal… no LUCK involved in that

  199. arnie says:

    now now, hold on. I dont want our defenders moving ahead of the centre line any more.

  200. RA says:

    Arlene = Arsene sod this auto-correct. I can spell better than Apple. 🙂

  201. Gööner In Exile says:

    Did you all hear that groan in the ground now we have dropped back to the penalty area and trying to park the bus and pass went to nowhere?

    Interesting huh?

  202. oh when the Reds, go marching in, oh when the Reds go marching in
    I wanna be in that nunber.. when the Reds…

  203. fatgingergooner says:

    GiE,

    It all comes back to being smart about things and the balance of the team.

    1-0 down against Anderlecht, then go for it. 1-0 up against Dortmund, no need.

  204. arnie says:

    come on Monreal, back to basics. 🙂

  205. fatgingergooner says:

    If Ox can develop that end product, he’s going to be a nightmare for defenders!

  206. Gööner In Exile says:

    RA I lurve KeyChain…….especially if you have it activated in iCloud and own iPhone or iPad or another Mac.

    Passwords synced across all devices, enter a wifi password on my MacBook and my iPhone gets it too, same with all Internet passwords.

    If you like I can email you if the email you use for login here is good one to get you on?

  207. RA says:

    Exile, it is tiresome to listen to some of the people who call Arsene a moron, and clueless.

    Must be sitting in front of a mirror as they type. 🙂

  208. fatgingergooner says:

    Jesus!

    Was just thinking how well Arteta’s been playing these last few weeks. Is this the Anderlecht moment all over again!?

  209. Gööner In Exile says:

    Sweepstake how long before Flamster gets a card?

  210. fatgingergooner says:

    I always wonder why clashes of heads are not often seen as fouls. If you were that late with your foot, then it’s a free kick. Never seem to get them when people are late with their heads.

  211. RA says:

    Exile.

    All my emails have been buggered [probably Kelsey 🙂 ] and I almost exclusively use SMS, iMessage etc.

    I will figure something out and contact you. Thank you! 🙂

  212. Why did Arteta go off??

  213. arnie says:

    looked like a knock on the shin, NorthBank.

  214. Gööner In Exile says:

    Ox has been magnificent tonight.

  215. Big Raddy says:

    Really enjoying the game.

    Guests gone as the poor people have early working starts. Apple pie snd vanilla ice cream followed by some belgian chocs and coffee. No wonder they left happy.

    Ooooooh Ox. That was close

  216. ah Raddy, It’s Apple pie now and not apple cake? 🙂

  217. fatgingergooner says:

    Most Arsenal fans when Sanchez scored!

  218. How do you pronounce this name: Bender

  219. Big Raddy says:

    NB actually it was my version of apple crumble made with a crispy topping with white chocolate.

    Want some – we have a little leftovers.

    Monreal playing well

  220. fatgingergooner says:

    Really worked hard when not in posession tonight. A total contrast to the first Dortmund game.

    Don’t want to jinx him but the keepers been outstanding tonight. Not put a foot wrong all night and held everything.

  221. Sounds bloody good Raddy……… if only

  222. Big Raddy says:

    Anderlecht beating Galatasary. Perhaps they aren’t crap

  223. Gibbs has had an excellent game tonight as well

  224. fatgingergooner says:

    NB,

    It’s pronounced More-reen-yo!

  225. arnie says:

    yes, FGG, after Santi, top player tonight by my book! 🙂

  226. AND IT’S ARSENAL….. ARSENAL FC

  227. Big Raddy says:

    Fgg. Agree. Martinez has been almost perfect

  228. Where’s Kelsey???

  229. arnie says:

    Ludo Razgd 2 – 2 Liverpool 🙂 🙂 🙂

  230. fatgingergooner says:

    My favourite goal of the night, Ludogorets equaliser!

  231. arnie says:

    what a save, Martinez!!!!! 🙂

    Kelsey, busy polishing? 😛

  232. fatgingergooner says:

    Before you ask NB, it’s pronounced Ludo-go-get-your-P45-Rodgers!

  233. arnie says:

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

  234. Lets all put our hands together and Klopp

  235. RA says:

    Oxo and Sanchez top men for me. But the whole team, in attack and defence together were excellent.

    Sorry, wally, I promised you 3:0 but that 2:0 wasn’t bad was it? 🙂

  236. Look at this, the Dortmund players go to their suppoerters and shake their hands

  237. RA says:

    NB,

    He’s more of a Clip than a Klop tonight. 🙂

  238. What goes 99 … klopp

  239. fatgingergooner says:

    After taking so much grief, my motm was our defending. As a unit, and to a man, we were excellent. Well organised and worked our tails off. Clean sheets take the pressure off the forwards and we only need 1 or 2 goals instead of 3 or 4.

    Great performance.

  240. arnie says:

    it cuts both ways, NorthBank, tle supporters showed them full support and applauded the whole team when they turned up at the AGM this year. how about that at Arsenal?

    still I suppose many of the good guys stay on to applaud the supporters after each game, whether they win or lose.

  241. Gööner In Exile says:

    I felt Klopps sideline tactics and constant chattering to his team worked wonders tonight, I can see why so many want Arsene to do it 😀

    Just saw BrendanRodgers quote about StevieMe being the best players he has ever worked with……erm gee thanks boss, I’m so glad im better than the players at a Reading and Swansea.,.. 😀

  242. I’ve got a German stream and there is a gorgious bird interviewing the BVB players bloody horny

  243. Big Raddy says:

    Could all PL teams go through?

    With luck we will draw either Leverkusen or Porto

  244. Gööner In Exile says:

    Btw on the whole Dortmund/fans thing, the fans wield a enormous amount of power at the football club, the players have to stay in their good books.

  245. Gööner In Exile says:

    Also Podolski…..other thank goalscoring I really don’t think he offers much, he did bugger all when he came on.

  246. Big Raddy says:

    A happy BR has washing up to do.

    A demain

  247. Gööner In Exile says:

    Radster they could….Liverpool probably have toughest route, although at home Basel are no slouches so could be a very tense night.

    City have to win away in Roma, who also need to win, and others hoping CSKA can’t beat Bayern…..that ones going to be interesting.

  248. Don’t forget to wear your Marigolds Raddy 🙂

  249. Really enjoyed the match and really enjoyed it on AA tonight. nice banter, very close to being at the match

  250. arnie says:

    yes, NorthBank, agreed. 🙂

  251. fatgingergooner says:

    BR,

    Are you a niners fan?

  252. fatgingergooner says:

    So Arteta has done a calf and is out for a while. Not what we needed going into December. Will be good to get Kos back though.

  253. arnie says:

    hmmm, FGG, that’s a bum! 😦

  254. wally says:

    RA,
    that you did. 🙂 Good for him (and us and them)
    And what a difference a commitment to defending makes, eh!

  255. Rasp says:

    From where we were sitting, Gibbs was the standout player. Special mention for the ox and the much maligned Monreal

  256. Rasp says:

    Did anyone think we were lucky tonight? 😆

  257. arnie says:

    not me, Rasp! 🙂

  258. Rasp

    We were unlucky not to get a couple more… if Oxlades shot had gone in it would have been a contender for goal of the season

  259. Rasp says:

    We were quite close to that shot NB, it was an excellent attempt, but he wasn’t unlucky, he was just 0.1 degrees out in the angle of his shot. It would have been unlucky if it had been going in and a seagull deflected it on to the post 🙂

  260. Rasp says:

    Martinez also looked assured and made a couple of decent saves I thought

  261. Rasp 🙂

    Anyway, Raddy you have your title for tomorrows Match Report:

    Gross Kraut, Piss Take and a Klopp

  262. Teams already through to last 16

    Real Madrid
    Barcelona
    Borussia Dortmund
    Chelsea
    Bayern Munich
    Porto
    Paris St-Germain
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Arsenal
    Atletico Madrid
    Bayer Leverkusen

  263. Gööner In Exile says:

    Has anyone else seen Hendersons missed opportunity to make it 3-1?

    I must go find a vine

  264. fatgingergooner says:

    GiE,

    Did you see Henderson and Lambert after the game? Their post match interview was a joke. Saying things like ‘we proved a few people wrong tonight’ and ‘we put in an excellent performance against a very good side’.

    Who they trying to convince? The CL ain’t easy, but 2-2 away at Ludogorets ain’t nothing to get excited about.

  265. fatgingergooner says:

    You’ve got to admire Wenger sometimes. He has been hammered this week over the last couple of results, so what does he do? Selects a player that in a lot of his doubters opinions embodies everything that they see wrong with his running of Arsenal at the moment!

    Many managers would’ve left Sanogo on the bench and played Sanchez through the middle, but not Wenger. Call it arrogance or whatever, but the mans got some stones, I will give him that!

  266. arnie says:

    Norfolk. just being picky, but I dont agree with “One sticks rigidly to his own agenda”. More like “One sticks rigidly to his own principles”. And why not! If someone is an innovator, he/ she would not look to win somehow but play the right way. Just being picky. 🙂

  267. RockyLives says:

    Told ya we’d win 🙂

    Three points to come at the weekend too.

  268. Gööner In Exile says:

    Persisting with Santi also a gamble according to many on here but it paid off tonight.

    I think if there’s one thing I could change about the modern game it is the immediacy of judgement.

    This is a construct of the media which unfortunately fans buy into, some chairmen and owners do too….hello Mr Levy I’m looking at you.

    Nothing is as amazing as the media pronounce it as desperate as the media pronounce, Liverpool are going through a tough spell and suddenly Rodgers is being questioned for his decisions whereas in the second half of last season he could do no wrong.

    Allardyce was a boring football merchant until this season when “the board made him change” but that little honeymoon may be ending sooner rather than later.

    Everyone was adding ballast to the good ship Pardew hoping to get their hands on a juicy sacking story and nowhe has guided the team up the league its all gone quiet.

    The last few weeks it was Arsene and Arsenal’s turn to take the beating but I predict that’ll be over again soon.

    The same goes for players, they have dips in form but a spell on the bench won’t make it return any quicker, you have to play and keep playing until it comes back, Santi showed signs tonight of that, Chambers has had a few tricky games but tonight back to his early season form, and as Rasp said Monteal had a steady game at centre back for one who is apparently out of his depth.

    Sangho showed signs of why Arsene likes him,he is big powerful and has good feet, but he is also still growing into his long legs and clearly has some fitness issues to work through.

  269. arnie says:

    all of Sanogo’s cheeky backheels worked out today. LUCK, anyone? 😛

  270. Shard says:

    Right. Now that everyone seems to be done for the night.

    RA

    You are a valued friend and in fact that is precisely the reason I proceeded to bite your (fat) head off. Because I feel like I can take the occasional liberty (such as the use of the word ‘fat’). Regardless of what lies ahead, I will continue to think of you as a friend.

    By the by, I had ‘left it’ in my head, at least thrice, before you asked me to. The reason I brought it up in the end was because I was annoyed by that point, but the reason I continued a discussion (as far as I was concerned) after Rasp’s comment at 3.53 – which frankly, made no sense- was only to try and bridge a gap in our understanding.

    Prior to that, as far as I was concerned, it was over after I joked about the facts not changing regardless of whatever Rasp believed. Why it wasn’t over at that point, is because Rasp, not for the first time, had a subtle little pop at me.

    Now I respect Rasp for his work on this site, his status as a fan. and in fact for the way he often manages to express ‘negative’ views while maintaining a positive and supportive stance. I’m not sure it is something I could do if I felt the same way and I admire him for it. I have said as much repeatedly.

    It seems though that this respect is only one sided since I have been accused of being insincere and intentionally obfuscating a discussion in the past, and have been now accused of ‘once again’ using my ‘talent’ for misrepresentation and of ‘once again’ presenting opinions as fact. This is of course, separate from the accusation of me always wanting the last word, which I have no problem being used as a running joke, but I do have a problem when it is taken literally, and intended to just shut me up. His opinion seems to be that I am tiresome and argumentative, and maybe I am.

    To the best of my knowledge and recollection, however, I have never gotten personal about anyone here on AA, regardless of how stupid, annoying, or frustrating I might find their views. But this feels like a personal attack to me, and I would much rather end it there by limiting my involvement and not carrying out any discussions on the site, rather than have it crop up again and elicit a response from me that I wouldn’t really like to give. I have no incentive to carry on a ‘fight’ that I can’t ‘win’ anyway. Maybe I should just have stayed away after last time.

    This comment isn’t something I would normally leave, but I felt like I couldn’t not explain my feelings. Or I guess, have the last word. Guess you lot were right after all.

  271. Gööner In Exile says:

    Balls to that last words mine…..night all 😀

  272. Gööner In Exile says:

    I predict I’ll have the first word of the new day too as I’m up at 5:30 to catch a train to the smoke before a day in sunny Slough.

    I think I should have been at the Emirates tonight, however I think I would also have come home to a pair of scissors being thrust towards my unmentionables.

  273. GunnerN5 says:

    Last word………………….if I’m lucky!!

  274. GunnerN5 says:

    Just checking in to make sure that my luck didn’t run out.

  275. Gööner In Exile says:

    Bastard….people in different timezones should be excluded 😀

  276. chas says:

    Great pre-match, BR, thanks.

    Shard
    I agreed with everything you had to say about luck yesterday. 🙂

  277. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Fantastic result.
    Have not seen even a goal. That’ll be for tomorrow.

    Quick slide through the comments and oh what a surprise, Raddy believes in luck. How very convenient 🙂

    Enjoy your days all.

  278. RA says:

    What a difference waking up after a great win makes. 🙂

    Well waking up is an achievement in itself, of course.

  279. Phew that was lucky wasn’t it ………. 2 goals and a clean sheet 🙂

  280. Yes RA

    Nice to wake up with a smile and a state of tumescence under the sheets…. it’s what winning does to you 🙂

  281. stevepalmer1 says:

    Morning all.
    A win at last, and a smile to start the day off. It appeared that we defended in numbers last night, Good cover from the midfield but our CB still left us exposed on corners and free kicks. Law of averages says that if you go up for corners and very rarely get on the end of the ball then why leave your position.

    Per Merts had a smile after the game, said we defended well and learnt a thing or two after the United game. Per Merts going up for corners is a complete waste of time, last man to get back once the corner or free kick has been taken, and very often not there when a breakaway comes.

    Simple solution, our slowest player should stay in his position. If Per Merts scored in every other game i would say that it was justifyable, but he doesn’t .

    As a defender i don’t rate him that high, but at present we do not have the manpower, but he for one should defend and leave the attack to the attackers.

    A hard working night by the Gooner’s and a well deserved win, Wenger is learning all be it slowly..

  282. kelsey says:

    Morning

    I have stuck it in your nuts 🙂

  283. kelsey says:

    Have you heard Pers speak.it’s a mixture of cockney and German 🙂

  284. arnie says:

    tra la la la la la. motning all. is it a dream? oh, how LUCKY am I! 🙂

  285. stevepalmer1 says:

    Morning Kel’s, Yes i heard him last night, he seemed in high spirits, but i am afraid he grates on my nerves. I would be tempted to put Debuchey there when he recovers, and play our youngster there, and move Chambers up, What happened to Kosi last night , i turned other late and missed the chat beforehand.

  286. Eddie says:

    phew, someone told our players that if they are winning they don’t ALL have to charge trying to score again, it is a good idea to leave a few players behind defending. It worked well last night 🙂

    Stupid Klopp sold Lewandowski, they are impotent without him

  287. Very patriotic arnie……. 🙂

  288. arnie says:

    very pumped up and defiant, NorthBank. 🙂

  289. I see Eddie is going with the Detumescence theme this morning for Klopp

  290. Big Raddy says:

    Arnie. 8.39 Brings tears to the eye – what a great start to the day. Thank you

  291. kelsey says:

    Kos wasn’t even on the bench, which on reflection was a good thing.Don’t want him rushed back.

  292. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Eddie. Lewandowski left at the end of his contract, same as Sagna. Absolutely nothing a manager can do.

  293. Eddie says:

    your fault NB – I got really upset about that rumour that our fans have already got a song for Klopp.
    When the time comes to say goodbye to the Boss I think Klopp should be on the shortlist, but not now when we have a brilliant manager.

  294. Absolutely correct Eddie, when we broke late on in the game it was a revelation to see only 3 players busting a gut to get forward instead of the 7 that we have seen recently 😉

  295. It was also a revelation to see the Boss standing on the edge of his area for nearly the whole game. I wonder what suddenly made him do that.

  296. Eddie – I’m in full agreement with you 🙂

  297. Big Raddy says:

    There was a brilliant post match interview with Klopp on DAnsk TV. What a top bloke. Full of generosity and humour – he said the best team won on the night and when asked whether he will take over from AW he replied that AW was one of the world’s best managers at one of the world’s best clubs but so was he (Klopp)!!

    Then left with a smile

  298. Thank you kelsey. Have you finished because it says you’re still in there, can you come out if you’re done.

  299. kelsey says:

    That’s rather rude peaches 🙂 But I have come out but obviously you didn’t notice it 😉

  300. Big Raddy says:

    Martinez looks a fine prospect. He had a very good game

  301. arnie says:

    Thank you, Raddy. 🙂

    Is Klopp an innovator, or a great mechanic? I dont know, so just asking. what new styles of playing the game, or organising a squad, or planning a team has he developed? just asking. 🙂

  302. arnie says:

    Klopp had a very good couple of games last year. he should be ideal. 😛

  303. Eddie says:

    arnie – Klopp is German 🙂 German Jews were/are great inventors, natives were/are the mechanics. Same goes for German comedy and humour 🙂

  304. arnie says:

    Koeman is having a few good games this year. should be ideal for us next yer. 😛

    or Andre Villas-Boas. he had a great game last night. and that therefore qualifies him as the most suited heir, perhaps? 😛

    My question is, good managers all, but what new styles have they invented? 🙂

  305. You’re right kelsey, sorry, I didn’t notice 🙂

  306. arnie says:

    Yes, Evonne, that was true of Einstein. But the same for Klopp? Dont know, just asking?

  307. …….. We have a New Post everyone ………………

  308. Big Raddy says:

    arnie. I get that you are just asking, but why are you asking?

  309. Gööner In Exile says:

    Steve, can you tell me what use the zero paced BFG would be staying back for corners?

    Generally oppositions leave their two patient players up front, one to receive the ball around the edge of the box and the other to run into space behind.

    Consequently you need two relatively quick players to be at the back, Gibbs fastest in the team is often there, depending on rest of line up normally Arteta stays too but recently Monreal.

    Have you also considered that the reason BFG doesn’t get many goals from set pieces presently is that he is the only viable target so can be steadily marshalled by the defence, add Kozzer and Ollie to the mix and suddenly they will get space. We don’t score many goals from set pieces full stop in fact look at the stats and quite a few don’t. But I’d guess our top scorers from set pieces involving crosses are BFG, Koz and Ollie, and I wouldn’t be certain of the order.

  310. arnie says:

    because many seem to suggest that any capable manager could be Arsene’s successor. in my view, NOT. you need to be willing to, and be capable of, creating new things to take that role. Following teh numpties efficiently as a mechanic does not count.

    Elitist, perhaps, but that is how it is. We are a club with CLASS! 🙂 IMO.

  311. arnie says:

    NorthBank. Yesterday, I expected to see a pic of you in your soiled red thong. 😛

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