AGM Today – looking ahead to 2017

Ahead of today’s annual general meeting, Arsenal Chief executive Ivan Gazidis, has looked ahead to the time when Arsene Wenger may leave the club. “Replacing the giant of a manager will be the greatest challenge to face the club” Or words to that effect, he said.

Fear not fellow Gooners, at least for the time being anyway, Arsene has just signed a three year contract extension which will see him through to 2017. Short of a disaster of cataclysmic proportions the chances of Le Professeur leaving before then are about the same as Nick Clegg leading the Lib Dems to a landslide victory in next year’s General Election.

According to Gazidis, “Wenger has steered the club expertly to this point, but that the transition is nearing”. Obviously the club will want to handle the situation somewhat more adroitly than a certain Northern Club recently managed their’s.

The choice of the man to take the club forward will depend on many factors, not least the state of the squad at that time. At the moment it would appear that Arsenal will be in rude good health in 2017. Financially sound, great stadium, state of the art training and academy facilities and, aside from that disaster of cataclysmic proportions, a solid and growing fan base both here in the UK and overseas. In addition the current “young” players in our first team squad, such as Szczesny, Chambers, Gibbs, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott, Ramsey and Welbeck will all be in their prime. Nothing is more certain than that in the meantime Wenger will have introduced more youngsters into the squad who will be ready and able to push for starting places.

All in all the future looks quite rosy for whoever takes the reins when Arsene finally relinquishes them.

Apart from the name of the new man, one other question needs to be addressed, will the club appoint a Manger with the total control enjoyed by Wenger or will it be a Head Coach operating under a Director of Football?

Written by NorfolkGooner

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214 Responses to AGM Today – looking ahead to 2017

  1. chas says:

    Cheers, NG.

    Wenger is bound to be the new Director of Football.

    Highlights from today’s AGM……
    (beware bad language)

  2. stevepalmer1 says:

    Morning all, Very nice post Norfolk, enjoyed that.
    Arsene Wenger’s status as manager of football at Arsenal Football Club, is a subject that i don’t think is really worth talking about, loved your post, but when Wenger has made a commitment he sticks to it.

    Here we have a man who see’s contracts as a binding Gentlemans agreement, he always intends to see his agreements out and should he be expelled before such time, would be a decision that has come from the top.

    Personally i only ever expect Wenger to go if health issues should present themselves, but in today’s football, i guess anything is possible.

    As for the AGM, i can only see positives being discussed Kroenke runs a well oiled ship, and what is on the agenda will not embarrass anybody. Of course there are always those who are not happy with their lot, and i would assume that one or two tricky questions will be asked. Arsenal as usual will have the answers ready, and another meeting will be over with glowing reports of profits and building for the future.

    I would imagine that getting a question in, on such meetings is easier than getting a post put up on AA, as some i have sent in seem to be stepped over most of the time. They may not be upto this post but they could be a filler.

  3. Gabriel says:

    We are tired of this nonesese story. Wenger is replaceable only the managements don’t want. Nobody is not replaceable. Wenger can go his time is up. The Liverpool structure is far better than arsenal. With wenger in arsenal many good players will not join arsen because of wenger’s way.

  4. arnie says:

    Great stuff, Norfolk. Back to your post later, but first things first.

    Gabriel. And most fans dont want as well? 😛 Where is a credible alternative?

  5. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Good morning Gabriel, and welcome to AA, have you been a visitor here before?

    Of course Wenger is replaceable and at the right time, obviously, he will be replaced.

    What is it about the Liverpool structure that you consider so much better than Arsenal’s?

  6. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Well done Norfolk.

    I genuinely don’t know what a Director of Football is/does. Sounds like another layer of management, that if he had any power, could undermine the Manager, but really don’t know.

    I don’t think the Manager should have anything to do with contracts or the buying business, so maybe that’s the DoF role.

    As for the AGM.
    Complete and utter waste of time. The people who actually own and run the club going to answer questions from who exactly?
    Do I think the fans should have a voice? No, pointless. The Club already know what everyone thinks.

    I’m all for Board Meetings where they might invite whoever they like.

    Out of interest, if I sell shares in my company, I have the choice of flogging A or B types. A have full voting rights. B, none.

    How is that with shareholders at Arsenal. If they have voting rights, then of course they should go and vote.

    My other question is who, apart from Peaches, gets invited?

  7. GoonerB says:

    Thanks Norfolk. As you say his replacement is not an immediate concern and I hope when it happens AW gets a role upstairs, which is the least I feel he deserves. I think he will still have a lot to offer overseeing scouting and recruitment, particularly in the youth areas.

    If it was happening today I don’t see much beyond Klopp, but by 2017 he may not want us or there may be more suitable candidates. Guardiola may be looking for a new long term project for instance. I hope whoever it is is a manger that has a good relationship with Wenger.

    I agree Norfolk that AW is replaceable but it shouldn’t be now. I think this will be his last contract however so I really hope he can add some significant silverware to his C.V and go out on a high.

    Not too sure why Gabriel thinks the Liverpool model is far superior to ours. I think some clubs are doing things better than us, but where Liverpool are concerned I would have looked at it the other way round. They have had a succession of failed managerial appointments since Benitez and the jury is still out on Rodgers. They have overspent on average players and haven’t done any better than us recently in footballing success. I would love to hear your justifications for that statement Gabriel.

  8. GoonerB says:

    Sorry Micky I couldn’t answer you straight away, I was just shoving another prawn and avocado valavant down my gullet.

    “Mmmm……Asti Spumanti……my favourite….”

    “Why is Peaches wearing two tone lycra cycling shorts and Doctor Martin boots….and what is she doing to that tall slim silver haired French chap….?”

    Sorry Micky…got distracted, what was your question again?

  9. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Peaches,
    I still want a full run through of events though. What drinks and nibbles on offer and other such important business 🙂

  10. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GB

    You raise an excellent question. What would you wear if you were going?
    I have a full gorilla suit.

  11. GoonerB says:

    Micky, I have a gorilla suit as well. I haven’t got the male silverback version so mine could potentially be used as a female gorilla costume. If you have the silverback one then we can go as a pair. I will let you choose if you want to be the dominant silverback or the submissive partner. I’m not fussed either way.

  12. Rasp says:

    Thanks NG – topicality personified 😛

    I’m with Micky, I don’t really understand what the role of Director of Football is all about – but you get the impression it is seen as a way of keeping ex-managers/players involved.

    The very knowledge that SAF was looking down from the stands was probably enough to make Gollum wet his pants.

    I reckon AW will go for a clean break when the time comes, whilst still keeping in touch and supporting the Arsenal.

  13. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I saw a comment from Chas earlier saying this Payton bloke (Red Action, Arsenal Supporters Trust?) wants a place on the board!!

    I mean, he has to be kidding. These are busy people.

    I don’t know if any of you have sat on something as simple as a Parish Council (I haven’t), but business can be wrapped up double quick. Then you get to “Other Business” and up pops Payton Twat keeping everyone back for another hour or more.

  14. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GB
    You’re sounding increasingly like Chas. Not fussed how you get it, or indeed, what shape or form it comes in 🙂

  15. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GB
    I wore the suit to a party at the Eden Project, and after an hour, had to find a quiet corner and a sharp knive to cut some ventilation holes in through the top of its head.

    My wife had alerted me to the fact that steam was pouring out through my eyeballs and that I was about to be arrested.

  16. chas says:

    Micky
    How dare you!
    The shape is all important.

  17. chas says:

    Oh, and it was GIE’s comment about our Timmy.

  18. MickyDidIt89 says:

    What time is this AGM, and are we likely to get live feeds from Peaches.

    I remember getting updates from Pedro back in the Le Groan days.

  19. chas says:

    It’s finished, Micky.
    It was all over twatter.

  20. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Oh God, I get it. The reason none of you are commenting on my keen observations on the AGM, is that you’re all fans of democracy, aren’t you? 🙂

  21. chas says:

    Peaches @10:25
    “I’ll fill you in on the antics of said Tim Payton when I get back”

  22. chas says:

    Micky
    I’ve enjoyed your AGM comments.
    Democracy is for losers.

  23. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Can you paste any embarrassing comments Chas

  24. Rasp says:

    I’d vote against democracy ….

  25. GoonerB says:

    Micky, you can get away with being in a Gorilla suit at the Eden project as long as you stay in the tropical rainforest section. People tend to think it is authentic and an intentional part of the experience. You can run into trouble however if you leave the rainforest and head into the children’s play area……apparently.

    Rasp, I think the director of football role could work with AW if it was away from interfering with 1st team issues and was more to do with the background area of scouting and youth development. Fergie has won more as a manager than AW but AW has put a lot more into all areas of the club IMO. Once Fergie retired I only see him as a figurehead or PR machine as I don’t believe he had great insight into those other areas like Arsene does. Many could argue maybe that Arsene has spent too much time on other areas, that others should have been dealing with, at the expense of 1st team matters.

    The youth and scouting are huge departments in the modern day big club and I would expect, maybe even hope, that the next manager can have that responsibility largely removed from them so they could concentrate solely on 1st team matters. If you left it that Gazidkis is still the first contact for any new manager when it came to recruiting and transfers of senior players at 1st team level then maybe AW could be an excellent addition in this sense without hindering or casting a shadow over the new guy.

  26. chas says:

    I was going to post some twitter comments but didn’t want to pre-empt anything from Peaches.

  27. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Very good point GB, and I think you’ve hit the nail on the head the way describe the differences between AW and AF.

    A concern would simply be the enormous shadow Arsene would cast over a new manager even as DoF.

  28. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GB
    I was in the Temperate Zone enjoying a night time Halloween Party, and I believe my wife’s concern was the presence of children 🙂

  29. chas says:

    This one made me laugh.
    Fits in nicely with your democracy comment.

  30. Rasp says:

    Apparently peaches is back and brainwashed by the experience 😛 – so let’s have some twatter stuff to get us all going …. please

  31. GoonerB says:

    Ah I see Micky. I suppose you can understand how security / the police / other parents / the NSPCC, (delete as appropriate), were nervous and concerned about a grown man in a gorilla suit carrying a surf board at a children’s Halloween party. I mean these people don’t know you from Adam so they don’t know that you are a genuinely harmless and loveable individual like we all do on here. If in addition to this they then see your wife, (who knows you better and has loved and cherished you for years), looking worried about you being around the kids then you can understand how they would be concerned, even despite your protestations that you were a peace loving primate that had never done nothing to no-one.

  32. stevepalmer1 says:

    Gabriel, you sound like your in the know on systems that work, personally i can see nothing in your comment that Liverpool’s system is a system to change to.

    I see Suarez’s sale as one mistake too many, countless Managers who have all been useless and the one they have now has let his best player slip through his hands, and he appears to be floundering.

    Liverpool have a very impressive history, they have loyal support who i am afraid have got very long memories. Last season with Suarez they had the best season they have had for years, as Liverpool have looked like a club on the brink of demotion, but with a lot of money ill spent they are not a top four team, and now with Suarez gone they are making a downward spiral again.

    Now where you see them as a model to copy and their manager to better Wenger seriously makes me doubt your credibility, unless of course you can explain why

  33. chas says:

    I’ll have a go at posting some tweets after I’ve had some lunch.

  34. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GB
    I appreciate your kind words, however, my wife could happily pick many holes in your assessment of your truly

  35. Rubbish Roving Reporter here. I missed my train and the first 20 minutes so only got there for the Q and A which was decidedly uneventful.

    Before I started my comment I had a quick look at what others had written and this sums up my feelings from Micky early this morning.

    As for the AGM.
    Complete and utter waste of time. The people who actually own and run the club going to answer questions from who exactly?
    Do I think the fans should have a voice? No, pointless. The Club already know what everyone thinks.

  36. Back in a minute …… have to grab some food

  37. chas says:

    I presume that means the nibbles were shite, anyway. 🙂

  38. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rasp
    I found this one:

    “Board is mostly not young, all male and white. Why not more diversity to reflect players and fans?”

    I can really see this one stirring up a hornets nest in the Sir Chips household tonight.

    Chips” Oh darling, what do I do. Add a Gay Gooner to the Board. Oh, guess that would have to be a Lesbian not a Poof because they’re, well, not men. Or should we add a Serbian War Crimes Victim, oh god this is hard, I’m going to get screwed whoever I pick. Damn bloody minorities, they’re all so beastly awkward……”

  39. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Oh, I got it Chas, by doing a morning AGM, they get away with coffee and biscuits.

    Sensible when you think about it, now they can enjoy a civilized four courser with fine wine and no oiks 🙂

  40. chas says:

    Not even any feckin valavants.

  41. MickyDidIt89 says:

    ha ha ha
    What did Del Boy call those little things?

  42. stevepalmer1 says:

    News of Mesut Ozils affair with a German Players wife has hit the papers, funny how his injury coincides with this story.

  43. GoonerB says:

    No problems Micky. If you are ever not feeling the love at home you just let me know and I’ll send you a big GoonerB man hug through my keyboard.

    No valavant’s Chas? Which bloody meeting was I at then? The AGM was the one with the village people look-a-likies in row 3 and the Frankie goes to hollywood music as a play in. Why was Sir Chips dressed as a biker come to think of it?

  44. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Steve
    That’s great news. The chances of him going back to Germany now and facing the music are remote 🙂

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    says instead of ‘days’

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    I wonder if they let in the odd Le Grover just to wind them up. I would, but no biscuits.

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    Definitely no biscuits.

  67. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Oooh! This is so exciting, hurry up with the twatter chat, Chas. It’s like listening to the FA Cup third round draw on steam radio. Quick what’s the next question? Is there any blood on the boardroom floor yet?

  68. chas says:

    Anyone bored yet?

    I’ll stop if it’s too much.

  69. MickyDidIt89 says:

    If I was Arsene, I would wear a very large badge with letters:
    AKB ROLF

  70. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Why are people asking about the £3 million, it’s old news, The same question and the same answer was in the papers weeks ago.

  71. Only shareholders were allowed to attend the AGM – that incudes members of the Fanshare scheme, which is now having to close …… so I won’t be invited again, and I didn’t even misbehave 😦

  72. Nice post Norfolk, I’m a knot ear today – anyone going to the Ladies Continental Cup final tonight ? It’s on my doorstep and was toying with the idea of going.

    I’m definitely going Saturday – is it the usual suspects on Saturday ?

  73. MickyDidIt89 says:

    What drinks and nibbles?

  74. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Another serious question, Peaches.

    How long did they manage to keep the Q&A down to?

  75. The Q&A was 14 questions but some were doubles of each other – why include both then???? Must have been 8 questions …..

    KSE’s £3m
    Safe standing
    Ticket allocation for cup finals
    Make up of the board
    Living wage for Arsenal employees
    Fanshare closure
    Playing Premier Lge games abroad
    Question about playing 4-4-2 ….. doh embarrassing

  76. chas says:

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz was the reply.
    Soz

  77. Then there were questions from the floor …….

    Any chance of having a Manager’s Q&A again?
    Arrangements for travelling supporters have changed recently, Maria wasn’t happy.
    Were funds available to strengthen the defence?
    Another question about ticket allocation for the cup final.

    Thats it.

  78. Hi chary – I’m going Saturday and I need to meet up with you don’t I?

    I’m going to try to hook up with chas’ gang so it depends where they’re going to drink. I’ll text you.

  79. Thanks Peachy, I’ll look out for your Saturday morning texts ; i’ll have Chary major and minor with me. I’m a bit out of the loop at the moment

  80. There were a couple of charts that Ivan put up to do with income streams and ticket prices. I’ll try to find them. It looked to me that increasing ticket prices was pure greed by the club as the other incomes had risen by such a significant amount.

  81. JM says:

    We might possibly move towards FC Bayern München’s management structure, with them having Matthias Sammer @Sport Director/ Executive board member(Sports) and what he is doing.

    Methinks the more important personnel are those sitting on our Executive board (i.e. Ivan Gazidis’ senior management team) and what they are/will be doing presently and in future:

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    Arsenal Executive board:

    Chief Executive Officer: Ivan Gazidis
    Chief Financial Officer: Stuart Wisely
    Chief Commercial Officer: Vinai Venkatesham
    Sales and Marketing Director: (Vacant) // Charles Allen (Head of Marketing)
    Sport Director: (New)
    Secretary: David Miles

    Arsenal Supervisory (Non-executive) board

    Chairman: Sir Chips Keswick
    Director & CEO: Ivan Gazidis
    Director: Ken Friar OBE
    Director: Lord Harris of Peckham (also Member of (UK) House of Lords)
    Director: Stan Kroenke (also Chairman of Kroenke Group & Thf Realty)
    Director: Josh Kroenke
    Member: Goran Medic (also Chairman of Ilirija DD)

    ~~

    Bayern München Executive board:

    Chairman: Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (// equivalent of our CEO)
    Vice Chairman & Executive (Finance): Jan-Christian Dreesen
    Executive (Sports): Matthias Sammer
    Executive (Marketing): Andreas Jung
    Executive (Strategy): Jörg Wacker (// responsibility for internationalisation and strategy // equivalent of our Chief Commercial Officer)

    Bayern München Supervisory Board:

    President & Chairman: Karl Hopfner
    Vice Chairman: Herbert Hainer (also AG Chairman of Adidas)
    Vice Chairman: Rupert Stadler (also AG Chairman of Audi)
    Member: Helmut Markwort
    Member: Dieter Rampl
    Member: Dr. Edmund Stoiber
    Member: Timotheus Höttges (also AG Chairman of Telekom)
    Member: Prof. Dr. Martin Winterkorn (also AG Chairman of Volkswagen)

    ~~

    Of course, we could do well to boost our club’s behind the scene profile and business networking power in our supervisory/ non-executive board by inviting senior figures from our 2 main (and more likely long term) sponsors, Fly Emirates (e.g. Sir Tim Clark, President and/or Sir Maurice Flanagan, Executive Vice-Chairman etc) & PUMA SE (e.g. Bjørn Gulden, CEO etc).

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  85. Happy Days …… today is 49 Unbeaten Day

  86. Thanks chas, I couldn’t find it on my timeline.

    All that extra income and season tickets still had to rise, I know they’re running a business but it just doesn’t seem right to me.

  87. Arsene’s speech, that nice Mr Arseblog has written it out for me.

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  89. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ha ha, that’s funny 🙂

  90. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Hey Chas
    Just looked it up and it really is Man City “Women” against Arsenal “Ladies”

  91. RC78 says:

    Hopefully in 2017, our team will feature:

    PiG – Bellerin, Chambers, ?, Gibbs – Oxlade, Zelalem, Wilshere – Ramsey – Walcott, Wellbeck

    + Gnabry, Campbell, Sanogo, Akpom

    This would mean that our young players will be around still and have proved enough to earn their stay at AFC 🙂

  92. RC78 says:

    On AW’s replacement, I think that when he retires, we will have some options available…It could range from R. Martinez to P. Guardiola or the Benfica coach… so let us not overdo it, we ll be able to find a suitable replacement

  93. Eddie says:

    RC78 – it is very hard to even contemplate AW’s retirement, but nothing is forever and everything comes to an end eventually. I think Wenger is the last manager to be in a job for so long not only at the Arsenal, but just about at any club. We’d better get used to idea of having new managers every 2-3 seasons.

    I have never been in a job that a change of management improved anything without huge investments or cuts to release money to implement changes. A mere change of heads/thinking caps has never been significant and seldom positive.

    Having said that I think I am beginning to look forward a new manager at the Ems. Martinez is my choice, but wouldn’t say no to Klopp.

  94. GoonerB says:

    I am not so sure Eddie. I feel there is a strong possibility that we will have another long standing manager, providing we get the appointment right. Ferguson dropped his retirement plans midway through the last season so they had less time to prepare. Also he was influential in Moyes appointment. Despite the fact they are friends and are both Scottish their managerial styles, a few similarities aside, were quite different IMO.

    To replace Arsene we need a new younger him, someone who sees football in the same way. IMO Martinez, Klopp and Guardiola all fit that profile. I would be surprised if the club, with Wenger’s blessing and possibly even help, are not already, or soon will be, sounding out and preparing possible candidates. It would be foolish not to because whoever the favourite is can plan their current contract situations accordingly, providing they are keen on the job obviously.

  95. Eddie says:

    GB – maybe, I hope you are right. I am a great believer in stability, continuity and loyalty. Call me old school, but I have been around for long enough to know that changes are painful and difficult, and to be avoided if possible.

    We had a new director once (she captained Arsenal Ladies many years ago) who strongly believed in getting rid off ‘ploders’ and replacing them with young, bright grads. Regrettably, the standards, morale, customer satisfaction hit all time low. I liked her, she was so enthusiastic, full of ideas and life, but I am not sure if she did the business much good.

  96. Eddie says:

    there you are – I just looked her on on LinkedIn and her resume states :Specialist areas of expertise include driving transformational change 🙂 🙂 yeah, I experienced her expertise all right

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  97. Eddie says:

    oh no, that didn’t work 😦

  98. GoonerB says:

    Eddie, I am starting a petition to put you in charge of any changes at THOF. Having met you over a cheeky ale in the Tavern with Peaches and Chas et al, I know you are only 32 but as you have also been around ages I think you will have the experience to make any transition less painful.

  99. Eddie says:

    GB – it was my son’s 30th birthday yesterday 🙂 I would hate to be 32 again, I would have to start drinking and the rest, no thank you

    Ladies drawing against Women, lets hope they win in the second half. And then we can start worrying about Hull

  100. Half time thoughts from the ground. We have the better quality and Shity haven’t offered anything much. We’ve slightly over elaborated with our chances and I hope that doesn’t come back to bite us. Our number 7 started brightly and the 9 looks good but I don’t want this to go to penalties. It’s a workday night !

  101. OK, so we lost, but I can now say I’ve seen 3 of our teams play(first team, reserves and ladies), not that anything but a load of zzzzzzzzzzzzzz’s has resulted from my reference to the match tonight.

    Anyhoo, onwards and upwards to grabbing 3 badly needed points off the fishy northern oiks on Saturday.

  102. Gööner In Exile says:

    NG in answer to your question….I want the club to strive hard to find another long term manager who has a plan and a vision for the team. I do not like short term managers I don’t like the idea of Directors of Football either.

    But I guess it’s one or the other.

    Director of Football shapes squad, scouting, youth policy, etc. Then employs a coach to coach the first team in his vision. That works at some clubs but not at the top level in my opinion.

    So a Director of Football does not require a long term manager/coach.

    As for going the Liverpool route, I definitely don’t like the idea of a transfer committee and the over reliance on stats (mainly offensive ones) to justify purchases.

  103. chas says:

  104. Eddie says:

    disaster in Nepal, did you hear about it Micky?

  105. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Yes Eddie. Very sad.

  106. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas
    Omm sees colours like that simply by opening his eyes
    It’s a by-product of his past

  107. chas says:

    Hmmmm – the Copenhagen Lights

  108. Eddie says:

    now I have to worry about your brother too, oh I don’t know….

    Ladies lost to women – do you care
    Hull tomorrow – are you worried
    Chad Evans back in football – do you agree
    First black footballer’s statue unveiled – should we still separate people by their skin colour

  109. chas says:

    No
    No
    Who’s he?
    No – but as he was born in 1865 and played for Darlington, maybe his skin colour is significant.

  110. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Copenhagen Lights 🙂

    Off to google Chad Evans 😦

  111. chas says:

    A little light in the loafers?

  112. chas says:

  113. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Love love me do
    You know I love you
    So pleeeeeeese
    Love me do

    Poets and master lyricists?
    Or utter drips?

    🙂

  114. stevepalmer1 says:

    Morning all,
    Just flicking through the last few comments, and i saw one from Eddie, who pointed out our first black footballer has had a statue made for his achievements

    Now although that was a breakthrough for Black atheletes, the news this morning explained that this guy who’s name escapes me went back to his own country after his career was over as a footballer and carried on working in the mines.

    Aparently he went back about as rich as he came. How things have changed i read in yesterdays paper how Sol Campbel has put his home up for sale for 25 million and is moaning that the Mansion tax is extortionate.

  115. MickyDidIt89 says:

    U-21’s tonight at 19:00 against Blackburn, featuring Mr Theo James Walcott.

  116. arnie says:

    motning all. lovely batner. I have nothing to say!

    Particularly liked Johnny pished. 🙂

    Stojkovic? or is it Bonkers? or, ANO? 🙂

  117. arnie says:

    Anger, yes anger, a lot of pent up anger. Agree, too little anger these days. Anger but no violence. hmmm.

  118. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Arnie
    “I have nothing to say”
    Nonsense, you always have something to say 🙂
    Maybe time to de-Arsenalize the site and broaden the spectrum of conversation.
    Suggestions for a new site title..Oh, and Arsenal 🙂

  119. GoonerB says:

    GIE, just picking up on your 12.27am (do you never sleep?). Like you I am not keen on that director of football role in its traditional sense. Transfers of senior players for the first team should be left between the new manager and Gazidkis so that the new manager is bringing in the players he wants rather than who someone else thinks is right.

    I would rather hope that AW earns a place on the board, he deserves it, and can have a more streamlined remit of overseeing the academy and recruitments for the academy.

  120. stevepalmer1 says:

    Afternoon all,
    Why is it that i get the impression from a lot on here that Wengers name crops up in more conversations and comments and usually linked to when he goes or who should we replace him with.

    Now its my understanding that Wenger has signed on for another stint of 3 years, So in my eyes i see no point in discussing his successor loyalty or his philosophy.

    Now i am under no illusions that most of our bloggers are educated men and women , the comments on various subjects and some of the words used are from intelligent people, but while most support Wenger or say they do, they still have to comment on his future and how he manages.

    The reason i bring this up, is because nobody seemed to ask about Ferguson or Moyes Mourinho or even LVG but Arsene all the time.

    I get the impression that a lot of supporters have their doubts about Wenger but they find it hard to criticise a man who has done what he has for Arsenal, i feel they would like a change but haven’t a clue who they want or what they may get.

    Wenger is here for the foreseeable future he has started to spend and i like how he is bringing through English players. His record of top fours is unbelievable and i am at a loss to why i get this impression that many of you want change

  121. GoonerB says:

    I think on this site Steve the discussion on AW’s successor has come about because Gazidkis himself raised the subject recently. Personally I think it is fine to discuss even if he still has the 3 years and in discussing it I don’t think people are actually saying they want him replaced now. Some will maybe think along think along these lines but for me I am just considering the eventuality but am not saying that I wish this to occur now.

    My gut feeling is this is his last contract otherwise I don’t think Gazidkis would have brought the subject up. After such a great and long tenure it is normal in my mind to start thinking about what happens next and what happens to Arsene when he steps down. I know some sites will discuss his succession as something they want done now but I don’t believe the majority on here do and are really just chewing over it amongst each other.

  122. stevepalmer1 says:

    Thanks for you response GoonerB, usually i am left in the cold.

    My own thoughts for the future for what their worth, is that should i still be alive when Arsene leaves, i would want him to retire away from Arsenal.

    Now don’t get me wrong i admire what Wenger has done for us and am happy that he is our present Manager, but my opinion is that when a new man comes in, he should have control of the team and he picks how they play and what tactics we use.

    For me, Wenger would be a distraction for a new manager, and why he remained others would always ask Wenger what he would do when things went wrong.

    I feel that should that day come, when Wenger goes, He goes away from Arsenal and leaves it free for the man who replaces him.

  123. stevepalmer1 says:

    In my opinion, Wenger through long service has earned his title of director of football, and has the overall say in what happens and how we should continue, But when a new man comes in, He should just have a title of Manager or coach. Of course i feel he should choose his own squad, but i feel negotiations should be left to those who negotiate.

  124. arnie says:

    Two quick stabs. Why do people discuss Wenger and not LVG?

    First, because LVG’s likely bench life is max 2 years, whereas Wenger …. So, it is different and interesting for people to try and understand what contributes to his longevity.

    Second, because Arsenal has principles and tradition, it will appoint another manager, when the time time, with a view towards a long tenure. A decade or more. With free reign as to long term strategy. Hence it is important that this person is chosen well. In my view, therefore, it cannot really be a known face like Martinez or Klopp who would have a bench life of 3 years max. It is my belief this will be a relative unknown.

    On Wenger as Director of Football or some such, what else can we do? He has given much of his working life to Arsenal, is as much a Gooner (if not more) compared to any of us, he deserves a relaxed position guiding the club into the post-Arsene years.

    I am happy with this, and hope Arsene will make this work.

  125. arnie says:

    Micky! 🙂

  126. arnie says:

    Do we need a quick conversation starter? I can send in a few lines, just a few I promise, to Nuts if required.

  127. chas says:

  128. chas says:

  129. Hi all

    I’m having a very Arsenalcentric week. AGM yesterday and I’m just back from watching my baby new potatoes play their Arsenal variety at London Colney. This you can imagine was very difficult for me, I have to want my charges to be on the winning side where possible as I’ve seen them lose badly in the last couple of weeks. Needless to say, today was the day they took three points.

    I didn’t see a team sheet so I don’t know who played for the Arsenal except Willock who went to school with one of my young spuds.

  130. GoonerB says:

    Sorry Steve, been away for a bit. I think everyone will have their own opinion on what should happen with Arsene when he steps down as manager. Now I am sometimes more critical of Wenger than others on here when it comes to tactics and team shape e.t.c if I feel he is getting things wrong, but I similarly feel a great deal of gratitude that he came to us and for where he has taken us.

    His achievements transcend pure silverware, though I would like some more in the next 3 years I can’t lie. The very essence of the club and its current worldwide standing is all down to Wenger IMO. He has taken us from a very good middle to big club to one of the worlds giants and the fruits of his efforts will be felt 50 years from now.

    20 years ago we would never have been seen as a club that could compete as an equal with clubs like Milan and Juve for players and silverware. Now it is almost as if they struggle to compete with us. That is a huge change in our clubs status.

    These achievements I feel need a deeper recognition and Arsene needs to be woven into the fabric of our club beyond his managerial period. I understand the reservations about him casting a shadow and placing too much pressure on any new custodian, but I still feel it can be done in the correct way without any negative impact on the new manager.

    Put him on the board from the moment he steps down is my feeling. Even if, say, he pops off to manage France we should still move to secure him on the board and let him know how we still want his input into the club moving forwards. I would remove him from anything to do with 1st team transfers and negotians on them but give him the academy and scouting as his ongoing project, which I feel has been one of his greatest pleasures anyway. His worldwide reputation and recognition would also be brilliant in a P.R sense when we are working on projects to increase the clubs profile and growth both domestically and overseas.

    I know others will not see it quite this way but that is just my opinion on it.

  131. stevepalmer1 says:

    GoonerB, after your comment, and how you explained it, i understand what you are saying and accept that it could work, I allways feel that a new broom needs a chance to bed in before it sweeps clean, so as long as he got that chance ,i have to agree Arsene does offer us something after his tenure fair play to ya mate.

  132. stevepalmer1 says:

    Sorry Arnie, good points as well mate.

  133. As we haven’t heard from our Hippy in Iceland does anyone fancy penning a few words for a pre-match for tomorrow’s post?

  134. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Peaches

    Here’s an idea. I post the Hippy’s mobile number. We all send multiple texts throughout the night.

  135. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas
    Is that large French Christmas tree their eco friendly plastic version?

  136. Eddie says:

    I know it is supposed to be a moaning Friday, but a bit of humour won’t hurt:
    David Moyes: “I am ready to return to management” 🙂
    Who the feck is going to give him a job? Greggs

  137. chas says:

    Micky
    What’s been you biggest rotation?

  138. chas says:

    Sorry * your.

  139. chas says:

    Whack a pony on nil-nil, maybe?

  140. chas says:

  141. MickyDidIt89 says:

    On or off the board? 🙂

  142. chas says:

  143. MickyDidIt89 says:

    0 and at least 7 🙂

  144. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Excellent idea for a PM.

    “We’re playing Hull. It’s at home, and the Kick Off is at 3pm”

    Job done 🙂

  145. chas says:

    How about ‘Mertesacker and Monreal – Discuss’?

  146. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas
    Trouble for me is that, while you relentlessly annoy me with pics of the Fab Four (hurl), I’ve yet to find your Achilles Heel.
    I shall continue to search with renewed vigour.

  147. chas says:

    You set yourself that target for the interlull.
    It’s over, dude. 🙂

  148. MickyDidIt89 says:

    What about that big bloke, Hayden? Also, he didn’t play last night.

    Just seen that Diaby, Theo and Serge all did play last night.

  149. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Phil Collins? Bet you like him

  150. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Remember that, and it is superb

  151. chas says:

    My achilles heel is football commentary, but since everyone else hates it, I’m ok.
    When it comes down to it, I only go to games so I don’t have to listen to the commentary at home. 🙂

  152. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Did you ever like Siouxsie?
    Blimey, this is Israel from ’81, and Fat Bob is on guitar!

  153. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ha ha
    Just getting lost on youtube with Banshees stuff and read this line in comments about Sioux

    “Easily the most attractive nose in music (apart from Chopin’s….obviously”

  154. chas says:

    They’ve got a point,

  155. Eddie says:

    young Barry Manilow’s nose

    We are only 1 point ahead of Hull, that is really not good, I wish I didn’t know that.

    I have a man flu, dying

  156. Eddie says:

    chopin had a beautiful chiselled face, aristocratic. Men with tiny stub of a nose look silly. Women with big hooters ( like me) look horrid

  157. chas says:

    I quite like big hooters

  158. Eddie says:

    are you trying to chat me up chas?

  159. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I like a woman with a good nose too

  160. Eddie says:

    oh ffs, I am too ill for all that

    micky – since I found out about your secret sibling I listen to every bit of news about Nepal with great interest. Before, I would just blank it. I feel connected 🙂 Many Polaks are still missing there. Perhaps Hippy is right to go to Iceland, not as beautiful but at least safer.

  161. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Morning Eddie

    “I feel connected”

    Oh dear lord, what kind of right on language is that? 🙂

    Hope you feel better very soon

  162. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Seeing that Bro next weekend. He’s lugged quite a few stiffs out of the mountains over the years.

  163. Eddie says:

    I am making myself more ill by a minute – checked the Hull squad – they look bloody good on paper. Will Bruce park the bus? Every team has now adopted ‘draw away and win at home’ motto and it bloody works well for some.
    Who is not injured for today?

    I think it is safe to discuss the game, Hippy won’t post anything today

  164. Eddie says:

    micky – I can imagine that he did. I had a school friend, he loved the mountains, went on his own trekking in the Tatras and weeks later they found him with only one chain on the shoe, he froze to death. He was in his early thirties, incredible mind (doctorate in physics), so clever that almost weird…..huge loss.

  165. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Agree Eddie.

    Back 5 of whoever is still standing.
    Jack and Flam.
    Santi to orchestrate from his best position in the middle.
    Obviously Welbeck up top.
    That leaves the flanks.
    Options: Ox, Alexis, Pod. So the first two for me.

    And I’m with you that Hull will do a bit of bus, and then like Wembley, send a few high floaters into the heart of our defence.

  166. chas says:

    I quite like exploring the Tatras

  167. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Eddie
    Hull have had an easy start and their results are not too impressive

    Hull City 1 – 1 Stoke City

    Aston Villa 2 – 1 Hull City

    Hull City 2 – 2 West Ham

    Newcastle 2 – 2 Hull City

    Hull City 2 – 4 Man City

    Hull City 2 – 0 Crystal Palace

  168. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas

    “I quite like exploring the Tatras”. Is that like what that rainforest dweller Sting does?

  169. Eddie says:

    have you already starting boozing?? The kick off is not until 3pm!!

    that is a very thin squad. Is Chambers still injured?
    It is going to be a very hard game. A point is not good to us, but ask me at half time and I might change my mind

    Pool are fecked too, Sturridge has another injury

  170. Eddie says:

    started not starting

    true micky, not the hardest of fixtures. But the morale and confidence must be on the high. I don’t like that Diame geezer, he has a bone pick with us. He is not certain for today, let’s hope he doesn’t play

  171. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Jeepers Eddie, get an ‘effing grip girl. This is Hull we’re talking about here, and you’re worrying about trivialities like bloody defenders 🙂

    Check out their results against rubbish teams. We will need two goals though.

  172. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Eddie

    All that morale and confidence stuff is utter tosh. If your players are good enough and really motivated you win (barring chronic luck)

  173. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Interesting day ahead.
    Tottenham at City, and Chelsea at Palace.

  174. Eddie says:

    I have to go back to bed, too ill to sit here and chat, but before I go I have another short story about friends. This woman is 60 next month and her new boyfriend 62. They go walking in South America, sleeping in an ice hotel in Finland, skiing in the Alps and cycling in Spain, safari in Africa, etc. For his mother’s 85th birthday they organized a white water rafting trip. Right, I can hear you saying ‘fair play to them’, good, you only live once. Personally I think they are bonkers and not in a nicest possible way. Not only they put themselves in danger, they endanger others if anything should go tits up. You have your youth to do all that and if you missed the boat then tough shit, get over it. Needless to say that after 30 years of friendship she stopped talking to me 🙂

  175. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ha ha
    “You have your youth to do all that and if you missed the boat then tough shit, get over it. Needless to say that after 30 years of friendship she stopped talking to me”

    You’re a legend Eddie 🙂

  176. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Peaches

    We’ve done the PM. Relax 🙂

  177. Eddie says:

    micky – she really stopped talking to me when I refused to see hundreds of photos of them in Africa. Told her it was a boring and pointless exercise.

  178. MickyDidIt89 says:

    You’re so right.
    No photo captures the important and meaningful aspects of a moment. Too personal, and if it’s that memorable it will be deeply engrained on your memory.

    Photos of children growing up (for you alone). Good.
    Photgraphy as art. Good.
    Travel snaps. ‘eff off 🙂

  179. Eddie says:

    yeah!! eff off 🙂

  180. MickyDidIt89 says:

    ha ha
    Yip, that’s the one, because none of us know what the great pyramid looks like, and therefore everyone will be riveted to see one of ? loitering about in front of it. Genuinely interesting and stunning piece of photography 🙂

  181. chas says:

    Thought you’d like it. 😆

    (it’s me, btw)

  182. MickyDidIt89 says:

    It’s you?????????

    Noooooooooooooooooo, no, nooooo please say it’s not you with the hair, goaty, shirt short combo

    Oh god I’m so depressed

  183. Eddie says:

    ha ha ha 🙂 it is not you chas, trust me

  184. chas says:

    It was a long time ago. 🙂
    Did you spot the fanny pack?

  185. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I actually zoomed right in to make sure it wasn’t you. Thank goodness I didn’t post my thought 🙂

  186. Eddie says:

    bleached Mohican 🙂

  187. chas says:

    We’re going to Berlin in two weeks and there was talk about getting a photo in front of Checkpoint Charlie and I said, what’s the point?

  188. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Tragically, yes I did, Mr Wham Fan

  189. chas says:

    Shame you didn’t post your thought.
    You couldn’t think worse than me i.e. utter tosser. 🙂

  190. Morning all

    Love reading the morning chat 🙂

    No post it is then ………… BR will be very disappointed 😉

    chas – where are we drinking today?

  191. Eddie says:

    hm, my thoughts were ‘nice legs’ 🙂

  192. chas says:

    Peaches
    I was thinking maybe Tavern as it might be easier to watch the game. I haven’t confirmed with Jon though. I can’t remember if the Kings Head has two TVs or not.
    I know Chary would prefer the Tavern.

  193. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Here’s one for you know who 🙂

  194. chas says:

    I’ve got a fantastic one of me in front of the Sydney Opera House on a boat. 🙂

    Speaking of Berlin, anyone got any good ideas on special places to visit there?

    Peaches
    I’ll keep you posted.

  195. Ok, will you text me when you know please 🙂

  196. chas says:

    Must go, pick up in 3 minutes.

  197. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Peaches

    I actually think BR might be pleased if we scrap the PM. Means we can all chat about the game early and he can pick and choose games when he likes it, without pressure.

  198. Eddie says:

    were you wearing a red dress? miooooowwww, careful not to scratch the dashboard in Ant’s car

  199. arnie says:

    motning all. what lovely batner. 🙂

    Matchday. And Hull as well. When did we meet them last? Yes, you got it right. Just go to the banner at the top if you dont remember.

    The entire Hull city descended on the capital that day. Driving down the motorway that day felt a bit strange and scary. Every second car had stripes and tiger banners. It felt almost like heading into enemy territory.

    But that was different. Do or die for them. Yet another trophy for us. 😛

    Today is league. Very different. Tough game. The tigers are tough. Period. I was surprised to note:

    (a) Hull is only one of three PL teams that have scored in every game so far (other two are Chavs and Everton – not us, we play a beautiful game, silly! 😛 )

    (b) Hull had 13 players on international duty last week. Eh! Some plating for obscure countries like Antarctica and Papua New Guinea! 😛

    Tough game, first of 4 relatively easy (must win? 😛 ) games. Even the Arsenal website has a poll asking fans whether we will win all four!

    Realistically speaking, I think we need to score twice. Where will be get the two goals? Hmmm.

    Anyway, two goals or not, we are probably in for an exciting game. My best guess:

    Szczesny,
    Bellerin, Monreal, Mertesacker Gibbs,
    Arteta, Wilshere,
    Ox, Cazorla, Alexis
    Welbeck

    Monreal and BFG in central defence will be exciting!

    However, having said all that, this game has only one possible outcome. Unleash the demolition squad, Wenger. COYG!!!!!!

  200. chas mobile says:

    There’s your pre match!

  201. Good plan ………… I’m going to move it to new post. Back in a bit.

  202. We have a New Post …………………..

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