Worrying Signs: Match Report and Player Ratings

The most frustrating thing is that, after a disastrous start to the season, we had done the hard bit.

Written off by everyone, we somehow battled back up the table, all the way to the top four.

A team that seemed to have been cobbled together off the back of Steptoe and Son’s wagon on the last day of the transfer window was starting to look like it could really do the business.

But four points from 12 in our last four games tells its own story.

There are mitigating factors, which I will go into later. But there were also some very worrying signs from yesterday’s defeat  – signs that have also been evident in most of our recent games.

Perhaps most damaging is the fact that some of our senior players seem to be undergoing a drop in form at the same time. I am thinking particularly of Walcott and Song here, who were both very poor yesterday. Others who have been out of form for a long time (like Arshavin) have not stepped up to fill the gap.

We had been getting results while having Arshavin, Chamakh and Djourou off form. But now we are carrying too many players having bad games on a regular basis.

In my darkest moments after the game I began to wonder whether the malaise that afflicted the team in the final third of last season has resurfaced this year.

The symptoms last season were:

  • Too many players going through the motions.
  • Seeming lack of commitment and effort from some players.
  • Over-reliance on van Persie to score the goals.
  • Throwing away leads – turning winning positions into losing ones.
  • Keystone Cops defending.

To a greater or lesser degree all of the above have been evident in our recent matches.

There were few heroes for us yesterday. Koscielny and van Perise were the stand out players, but many of the others were below the standard we should expect of them.

In fairness, we were up against a confident and skillful side. The Swans were a pleasure to watch. They play the game properly, they are committed rather than dirty and they clearly have great team spirit.

Their performance in pressing us all game long, then keeping the ball with composure and panache should be a lesson to us. There are no world class stars in their line-up, but every player knows his job and is confident that his team mates are doing their jobs.

I won’t do a full match report, but suffice to say that when Robin opened the scoring I really thought we were finally going to break loose and give somebody the hammering that we have been threatening in most of our first half performances in recent weeks.

Swansea got back into it with what looked a soft penalty (I thought Ramsey managed to pull his leg out of the way before making contact, but the replays were inconclusive).  Once level, their confidence rose and they started to play really well.

Most of the stats (possession, corners, attempts on goal) show that we were second best, so Swansea probably deserved their second goal.  It came from an Arshavin hospital pass to Ramsey, who had Joe Allen on top of him as he received the ball. When it was played to Swansea’s right, Dyer was unmarked on the edge of the box (our temporary left back, Miquel, had lost his bearings) and he shot past Szczesney, who might have done better.

So, once again, we had managed to turn a winning position into a losing one. How would we respond? Quite well, as it happened. Walcott found some space for once, Djourou played a long ball through the channel and Theo was one-on-one. I confess to assuming he would fluff it, but instead he finished calmly. Game on again! But not for long.

Within seconds of the restart we were behind again. Swansea was able to win the ball far too easily in midfield despite the presence of several Arsenal players. A couple of quick passes, a simple through ball and Danny Graham was able to tuck in a soft goal which turned out to be the winner. ,Szczesney had started to come, confusing the chasing Koscielny, then changed his mind and ended up in a bad position.

Afterwards we huffed and puffed. Thierry Henry came on but this time there was no magic ending. The best chance, sadly, fell to Mertesacker a yard from goal. He somehow contrived to strike the ball with the side of his heel when any normal contact would surely have produced the equaliser.

I mentioned mitigating factors.

We have been without any recognized full backs for many weeks now and this has undoubtedly been a contributing factor in our problems.

Two of Swansea’s goals came from our left back position and, on both occasions, Miquel was nowhere to be seen. I’m not blaming him. It’s not his position and he seems a really good prospect, but we are suffering for a lack of specialist full backs.

Also we were without guaranteed starters Vermaelen, Arteta and Gervinho, not to mention Wilshere.

But we should still have enough quality to overcome such problems. If this year’s squad responds to these setbacks with the same lack of moral fibre as last year’s, then we are in for a very bumpy second half of the season.

Top four is still very achievable, but we have made it so, so hard for ourselves.

If Arsene has a magic hat, it’s time to put it on.

Player Ratings

Szczesney: Poor for the second and third Swansea goals. I wish people would stop this “World’s Number One” nonsense. He’s a promising young ‘keeper who may be the number one in four or five years time – but only if he learns from the mistakes that are starting to cost us points on a regular basis. 4

Djourou: Did OK while playing out of position and made a fine pass for Walcott’s goal. But he does not inspire confidence and has a habit of playing the opposing forwards onside by not moving up with the rest of the defence after set pieces have been cleared. 5

Mertesacker: Generally did well but should have scored in the dying minutes. He gets shoved off the ball too easily at times but his passing was good, once again. 6

Koscielny:  Made a slow start, losing possession a few times in the first 15 minutes, but then settled into the sort of battling performance to which we have become accustomed. Went marauding forward at the end in search of an equalizer, taking a leaf out of Vermaelen’s book. 7

Miquel: Promising youngster, but he’s not a left back and he left us badly exposed at times. 4

Song: I don’t know if his head is at the ACN, but Song is way off form at the moment. He seemed sloppy, lackadaisical, careless with possession and even allowed himself to get muscled off the ball on a regular basis. We need the dynamic Song back pretty pronto. 4

Ramsey: Non-stop effort, but his end product has to improve. Often he seems to do all the hard stuff, wriggling out of impossible situations or shaking off defenders only to trip over his own feet or misplace a five yard pass. I feel he will be a great Arsenal player when it all comes together, but right now he is hit and miss. 6

Benayoun: Plenty of hustle and bustle, but Benny seemed a bit slight and was bundled off the ball too easily. He doesn’t get many starts so I don’t want to be over critical, but he didn’t really stamp his authority on the game. 5

Arshavin: Looked lightweight and shorn of confidence. Under pressure he often chooses the wrong option and plays a colleague into trouble, as was the case in the build up to Swansea’s second goal. I doubt if many Arsenal fans watching the game expected him to make anything happen. 4

Walcott: I’m starting to lose faith in Theo. So many times he picked the wrong option, so many times he seemed clueless when in good positions.  He should not be starting ahead of Oxlade-Chamberlain on this form. He would have had a “3”, but gets an extra point for the goal. 4

Van Persie: Whenever he had the ball he looked pure class. Unfortunately he did not get enough good service to show his class often enough. Took his goal superbly. 7.5 (Arsenal’s MoTM, although a couple of Swansea players would have received “9”s).


Henry: Didn’t get the chance to do much, but was a darn sight better than Arshavin or Walcott.

Rosicky: Helped drive us forward. Might have been a better starting option that Benayoun.

Oxlade-Chamberlain: Direct and strong – did his chances of getting a starting berth absolutely no harms at all.


281 Responses to Worrying Signs: Match Report and Player Ratings

  1. fanboy says:


  2. kelsey says:

    I spotted the deliberate mistake. it was actually Henry who gave the ball away with an intercepted pass from which resulted in the third goal. 😉

  3. Rasp says:

    Morning all,

    That’s an honest and clinical assessment of a very poor performance Rocky – I couldn’t have put it better myself because ….. I couldn’t have put it better myself 😦

    You’ve asked most of the questions that ran through my mind, but I’d add: why was AW sitting on his own, that didn’t send a good message to the players and why do we always drop it down a level after we score.

    I am beginning to think that the cosseted, touchy feely approach that we are reported to take to the players is a mistake. Definitely some of the older players are letting the side down.

    I don’t think Song has been up to speed all season and expect him to place a transfer request in the summer. It was a mistake to send Frimpong out on loan. I don’t expect he’d have made much difference yesterday but it wouldn’t do Song any harm to sub him when he’s not putting in the effort or just being sloppy.

  4. fatgingergooner says:

    With all the talk of full back problems, I am wondering why Wenger was happy to send Jenkinson and Traore into Old Trafford of all places, but is so reluctant to start Yennaris at Swansea!?

    Suppose it could be a case of once bitten, twice shy, but surely he must have confidence of going to the Swans and getting a result? Starting with at least one specialist full back is a better option than starting with cover players?

  5. Rasp says:

    Arteta has been the glue that held our midfield together this season, he was badly missed yesterday as he not only has the quality, but also the work rate and desire that some lack. I am not critical of Ramsey in any way and am at a loss to understand why he is being targetted – he at least showed desire. I don’t think he is yet physically strong enough for some of the things he attempts and his legs looked heavy yesterday.

  6. kelsey says:

    Szczesney: Poor for the second and third Swansea goals. I wish people would stop this “World’s Number One” nonsense. He’s a promising young ‘keeper who may be the number one in four or five years time – but only if he learns from the mistakes that are starting to cost us points on a regular basis. 4

    You either copied my post or think the same as me 😉

    There were several keepers of experience available to mentor the young Pole. We got benyahoun on loan, and jenkinson (indeed a bright prospect) for 1 million.There is being frugal and being frugal, whilst others who are deadwood are on big bucks. I don’t know all the players wages but AA is on 90K a week and Almunia on 50K.

  7. Andrew says:

    Van Persie was pedestrian as well. Besides his goal, he didn’t really do much for the remainder of the game. Ditto to Arshavin and Walcott. While all three had their moment (singular) of the game, we need more moments if Arsenal is to take fourth spot.

  8. Rasp says:

    Hi kelsey,

    In fairness, the ‘World’s No.1’ thing was just a bit of fun from Raddy to celebrate the fact that we had finally accepted that Almunia was never good enough and in Sz we have a young keeper that could one day become an Arsenal great.

    I agree he had a bad day yesterday (in common with 2 thirds of the team) but he is still head and shoulders above any of our other goalkeeping options.

  9. VCC says:

    Morning all.
    Well put Rocky, like you I feel there are worrying times ahead.

    I deliberately stayed out of the debate after yesterdays match as I was fuming at some of the displays by some of the men in red, and may have lit a fuse to be shouted down by some staunch Wenger fans on here.

    We are carrying too much dead wood. Our Manager needs to ship a few of them out, and fast.

    I’m not taking any thing away from Swansea, as they played really well, but we made it too darn easy for them.

    If we don’t sort things out this coming week I feel we could have another night mare this coming week-end, and this time it will be at home.

  10. fatgingergooner says:

    All that’s changed since the beginning of the Xmas period is the amount of important players we have sitting in the physio room.

    We got away with carrying the odd poor performance now again, but now we are relying on these poor performers (AA, Chamakh, Djourou, Theo, Benayoun, Song, Rosicky) to win us games, and that’s never going to happen.

    We have all seen what happens in the CC when we make 8 changes and bring in some of these lads. It goes tits up.

    Eventually, the team needs an overhaul. In my mind, Almunia, Djourou, Squillaci, Rosicky, Benayoun, Denilson, Diaby, Arshavin and Chamakh need to be sold, and some replaced with younger, hungrier players. Many of these names are nearing 30 and need to leave. However, this can only be done gradually and is definately not going to take place in 1 or 2 windows.

    In the short term, we just have to hope that players come back quickly and the reliance on these under performing/over paid players subsides. Until then, results aren’t going to be great.

  11. Bradster says:

    I didn’t think Arteta was such and influence in our team and I’m not a big fan of him but i noticed it yesterday. Firstly a guy that really wants to be there giving his all for the team. Secondly the true midfield man connecting attack and defence.
    We lacked that yesterday and I agree I don’t see that drive in our players.
    Walcott would be a great to cash in on seeing that teams are interested and he doesn’t want to sign, be great if he could take arshavin with him.

  12. TotalArsenal says:

    Great, very well-balanced match report Rocky. You definitely hit the nail on the head with your title ‘worrying signs’: I am still confident that this new team has more backbone and leadership in it, but it was not showing in the second half yesterday, and neither did it show in the second half against Fulham. We really need to see a step change in the next few games.

    As I and others have said yesterday, with all the injuries we have at the moment, it is the system that is letting us down: 4-4-3 does not work for us without a regular back four and proper FB’s in place. The biggest worry is that Arsene does not seem to be able to make the changes to the system that makes it work again. Those recent second half performances are proof of it. That’s what’s worrying me.

  13. Rasp says:

    I got slated on here when everyone was getting carried away before Christmas for saying we were only one significant injury away from losing momentum. We saw the result yesterday when Arteta was injured. The side lacked balance, desire and the dreaded ‘leadership’

    Unfortunately shipping out the deadwood as some call it is not something the club can be proactive about – it takes other clubs to make an approach and to be prepared to match wage demands

  14. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Rasp, you are fully entitled to show your disappointed in one or more players after every game. You know by now it is not my style at all. Song did not have a great game, but he has been one of our best players this season. I know you have a theory that he is looking for a way out of Arsenal and therefore might care less at the moment, but you are doing him a disservice right now by your statement @9.48.

  15. mj says:

    I like ramsey too but yesterday was by far his worse performance of the season. Doesn’t even deserve a 3. The thing I’m suprised about is that wenger talked a few years ago about the importance of the fabregas position in this formation. I’m not saying ramsey will never be good enough to play that role, but at the moment hees nowhere near good enough. Its either wenger changes formation or he gets a player who is well suited to that role. Not enough goals and not enough assists for ramsey in that position and plus he takes a lot of time to make decisions which u can’t afford in that area

  16. Rasp says:

    Hi TA,
    Thanks for the response. We all see things differently and I stand by my view that Song has been poor this season. He has done some wonderful things, the magic to get the pass through to RvP and the assist for Henry’s goal, but in some ways that underlines my view. He has the ability but seems confused as to his role (as am I) and maybe finds the mundane task of getting back and pressing the ball and playing a simple pass of little interest and has aspirations beyond that.

  17. goonermichael says:

    The club can be proactive about selling the “deadwood” (hate that term). Just transfer list them or tell thier agents that they can start touting them around. I thought yesterday was a terrible performance. Swansea may be a good side but even with our injuries we should beat them. For me Walcott and Arshavin need to go. If walcott is making demands it’s a good excuse to get rid of him. For all the malaise that Gerv gets about his finishing we really missed him as he causes problems. We looked a lot more dangerous when Ox came on. I also said before the game and still believe we should have played Yannaris. Play like that on Sunday and we’ll be embarrassed again. Nani agianst JD scares the shit out of me. Wasn’t Sagna meant to be back for this game?

  18. Rasp says:

    OK gm, you are correct that Arsenal can let it be known that a player is available, but it pretty much stops there. The reasons we have not sold Bendtner or Denilson etc must be to do with their perceived ability and the wages we are currently paying – and there’s bugger all we can do to change that.

  19. Danny says:

    We are cursed for destroying Highbury.
    We are cursed for naming the new stadium the “Emirates”.
    We are cursed coz Dein left.
    We are cursed coz a yank bought us.

    The last time the Scum finished above us it was Graham’s last year. That’s an omen if I ever saw one.

  20. Arsedave says:

    An excellent assessment although I thought your marking was generous, Mertesacker 2, Song 2, Ramsey 1, Benayoun 1, Arshavin 1, Walcott 5(+1).

    Let’s not worry too much though everyone is dropping points at the moment. Chelsea and Tottenham have a real difficult run of games coming up, let’s re-assess after that. Wigan to beat $ity tonight!

  21. VCC says:

    Hi Rasp.

    I agree it is not a boot sale, but hand on heart do you think Wenger wants/has tried, to sell the dead wood or is it a matter of persevering with his boys, as is his recent history shows?

    My take on this he prolongs the inevitable, and remains a stubborn man.

  22. goonermichael says:

    The penalty was not a penalty and the replays were conclusive. The Swansea player turned and stepped on Ramseys leg then thrw himself to the floor. On Twitter someone mentioned you couldimagine the commentator saying ” We’re just waiting for Ramsey to be stretchered off before we take the penalty”.

  23. TotalArsenal says:

    Cheers Rasp, the real problem yesterday was that our system did not work at all against Swansea’s midfield. Song was very often left isolated with nobody to play the ball to. Ramsey and Benayoun were allover the place and Swansea took us apart. Our entire midfield failed because it did not get enough support from attack and defence in order to help it dominate the midfield area.

    Yes we all see things differently but you have been seeing ‘that Song has been poor this season’. Knowing you a bit, I just cannot believe you mean that. Name me a better midfielder in the PL? I would not even swap him for Yaya T.

  24. goonermichael says:

    Rasp. I agree and I’d love to see who would buy Walcott and pay him £85k. I’d imagine Villa or Sunderland. I think he should be in a team with Bendtner.

  25. goonermichael says:

    Why is it a curse being bought by and American? Would it be the same if he was Canadian?

  26. Rasp says:

    Hi VCC,

    I agree that AW sometimes persists with players longer than he should (Almunia) but we really don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. It looks like we are trying to sell Chamakh which pleases me, but Bendtner is doing little to recommend him to buyers and I fully expect the likes of Vela and Denilson (and possibly Diaby) to see out their contracts and leave on a free.

    Theo is a much more contentious issue. There will be clubs out there who would want to buy him and he could develop and become amazing in the future. Personally I’d rather start with the Ox or even give Ryo a go.

  27. goonermichael says:

    The top Euiropean clubs wouldn’t want Theo. He is on a par with Lennon, Agbonlahor or Ashley young. Not as good as Valencia IMO

  28. Rasp says:

    Haha TA,

    Maybe you misunderstand me. I think Song is a great player who is not playing great football currently. I’d definitely take Yaya Toure as a swap based on this season’s performances. Scott parker is doing a better job for his club than Song is for us at the moment.

    Something happened to Song at the start of last season. I don’t know if he received different instructions or just wanted a new role, but he should and could be the most important link in our midfield.

  29. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    With marks like that, they might aswell not have been playing, and your now probably saying they weren`t !
    I have this image of you , sitting in a chair, looking at an empty glass jar on your window cill with a panoramic view behind, feeling like this has happened before.
    A feeling of Dave jar view !

  30. Rasp says:

    I wouldn’t argue with that GM, I think Theo believes he should be playing for one of Europe’s elite. I curse SGE for taking him to the world cup and then not even playing hiim.

  31. pat says:

    Hey Guys, been out of it for a while. Seemed to be a good summary of the game – I haven’t been able to watch it yet. Fatigue may play some part – esp with Ramsey. Don’t forget that he has also lost Gary Speed – another strong mentor figure in his life – no one knows how much of an impact that has been on him. I read some words from a former NZ cricketer (he is a spud fan but still a good guy) talking about depression in professional sportsmen – many get into a spiral of self loathing after bad performances and MANY have issues with depression etc. I think Ramsey needs some sort of break or at least allow more rotation but many of the players are getting to that “red zone” because of the injury problems. Also often with fatigue there are issues with concentration / decision making etc – when you are tired you are obviously not going to be as sharp upstairs.

    @Rasp your comment on Song rings true with me also – his abilities on attack are causing him to get confused or get forward too much / not focused on defense. I remember a goal last season that Song scored which was a great goal but I had the same thought that if he is scoring good goals like that he is hardly going to want to defend is he?

  32. goonermichael says:

    I’m about to buy a ticket for the Villa game. East or West stand?

  33. Abamatt says:

    Arsenal finishing in top four will not speek well of EPL, they just dont deserve to be there.

  34. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Respect to you Rocky for having to write a fine post, when just like the rest of us,you`d be feeling low.

  35. Arsedave says:

    I like it, I’ll mark you an 8 for that one.

    There’s a lot being written though, there isn’t a lot wrong, like I said everyone is dropping points, a lot of players are looking tired at this time of the season for a lot of clubs. Swansea at home are very good. Let’s give Aaron a rest for a couple of weeks and then go again like the good run just before Christmas 26/30pts.

  36. Danny says:

    Kroenke is a classic yank business man – he just wants to make money. He has no passion for what they call “soccer”, I’m sure he doesn’t even know the rules. I’d love to see him explain what “offside” is!
    We are cursed with him coz as long as The Arsenal make a profit everything else is secondary to him. Just look at the trip to the far east and the signing of Park. These were not in the teams best interests – only financial. When we were off out there Man.U were signing players etc

  37. Wonderman says:

    Morning all, Team play and sound tactics win games. Swansea are known for their possession and speed on the wings and we played them at a time when we had no fullbacks, so that was always going to an area for attention . I don’t remember Walcott nd Arshavin covering their fullbacks at anytime. Add to that a midfield performance that wad very poor. Ramsey seems to hold onto the ball for too long at the moment, and Song seemed to want to show everyone how many players he could hold off then pass the ball to the opposition anyway. Yossi was totally ineffective.

    But despite all of that we still had 9 shots on target to their 4 ( courtesy of BBC) which suggests as has been the case all season that our forwards are not clinical enough

    Until Arshavin//Gervinho/Walcott start finishing like Pires/ Overmars/Ljungberg we will have groundhog day

    A bigger concern to me is the habit of losing games from winning positions

  38. goonermichael says:

    I bought the ticket in the west stand

  39. VCC says:

    Rasp, persists longer than he should (Almunia) ? my list would be more comprehensive than that =


    Surely your comments back me up, players waiting to go on a free?
    Then sell them (deadwood, sorry GM, but how else would you describe them?)at a much reduced price? Something is more than nothing.

    Chamakh would not get in my Sunday side and I wouldn,t trust Djourou carrying the oranges, maybe a sponge and thats about all.

  40. TotalArsenal says:

    Rasp, fair point and agreed 🙂

    I think the problem is with Arsene at the moment. He is struggling with the new formation, especially now he is missing so many key players through injury in a few key positions. I am pretty sure Song and Arteta have been given a licence to combine DM duties with supporting the attack duties, and as such we do not have a pure DM in Song. I think, like you, he would be a great pure DM, but that does not seem to be his role. When we played our best football, both Song and Arteta have been at their best in those combined roles, with Ramsey in front of them. I agree with your earlier comment that we missed Arteta yesterday, but also Coquelin who would have been a better option than Benny in our current system.

    Arsene really has to earn his money now to sort our formation out. If not, the Mancs will have a field day.

  41. goonermichael says:

    The mancs and chavs have been doing those type of tours for ages. We could have been signing players too but we didn’t. I don’t really think it’s because he’s a yank though. The mancs are owned by one who’s given them massive debts. I don’t disaggree just don’t think that being marican means anything. The Uzbek dosen’t love football.

  42. gunnerpete says:

    Whats to assess Arsedave? As Fat ginger says we have 8/10 very average players turning up for the money that only Arsene would pay. In the past 6 years we/all us Gunners have pleaded for AW to accept that he is a crap coach re; defending .His buying of defenders has always been debatable ie; instead of paying class acts like Tony/Bouldy/Keown to go and find class players with guts from all over the UK, he relies on Grimandi a very average player to spot the foreigner! 6 years of not being able to defend leads! ^ years of seeing all the best UK youth going to Liverpool, Manure, Spuds, Villa and now Chelski! You reap what you sow and its all coming home to roost. Arsene has had shocking bad luck with injuries, mainly to our only class players ( Vermy, Jack, Gibbs, Santos, Sagna, and Jenkinson ) with all them we would probably be second seeing the crazy points this current bunch have given away. But, we have seen this so many times and OUR MANAGER EITHER DOES NOT OR HE WILL NOT! Fat ginger is right. Arsene must show that he really can see past his unfounded loyalty to these vastly overpaid non entities, and sell the lot. My guess is that no one wants them. Add to this list a further 3/4 on loan who are on our wage bill and who will never play for our first team ie; Galindo, Vela, Bortello ( we are sreaming out for an experience left back and this bloke has now played many games for Spanish sides and he is still not good enough for our reserves? ) . It time for someone at AFC to step forward and demand an answer to WHY?

  43. goonermichael says:

    How can you say that about Park? He hasn’t played yet? And Benny is on loan and hardly plays. Vela is always on loan. The others I agree.

  44. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Thanks Arsedave, that makes me our man of the match ! 🙂

    It`s a stunning day down here and I`m off out. I`ve just thought of a new franchise, A mobile massage van, I`m calling it ” Feels on Wheels “. Any takers in , Denmark, Canada, Spain,Norfolk and Bounds Green ?.

  45. Mark says:

    Ramsey a 6. Good lord did you actually watch the game?

    He was at FAULT for all 3 goals. The penalty was Clichy type defending. Any ref would make that mistake with a half hearted dangerous challenge put in by Aaron. He gave away the ball for the second. Reminded me of Denilson. And he let the Swansea midfield player run of his back to pass to Swansea’s striker for the 3rd. Whats more he was supposed to be playing in Arteta’s position yesterday. Not striker or running about like a headless chicken. Swansea outnumbered Song 3 to one because he was trying to be hollywood. Dishonest players like Ramsey, should I say David Bentley mk2 lose you games.

    Aaron has been piss poor since the Chelsea game. The boy is developing like Denilson. And I hope it doesn’t take 3 years of ‘hoping’ for people to work it out.

    Do you lot even understand why Arshavin, Theo, Gervinho all look bad? Its not suddenly because all our strikers are rubbish. Its because that ball that gets them is slow and of such poor quality they can’t do anything with it. And whose job is it to provide them with that ball? Aaron Ramsey.


    Good morning every body. Great post Rocky, I agree that RVP and and Kos were the stand out performers in a rather poor and imbalanced display from the team. Credit to Swansea, i never realised how good they were until yesterdays game.

    As for us, there is no reason to panic at all. We will keep pluging away and have every chance of still making top four and have the champions league to look forward to. As for next season we shouldnt try and over complicate our position. next summer Arsharvin, Chamack and Rosiscky will be moved on and fresh faces will come in. I fully expect the club to make a couple of good purchases in the summer on attacking options and the likes of Wilshere, Ox, and Ramsey will be reguler starters. The defensive foundations are there,( i mean come on, who can legislate for four fuullbacks out) and with one or two new faces and the emergence of our great young talents i expect us to be serious title contenders for next year.

    We will do what we done in 1989 and 1998, go from also rans to become the best team and proceed from there to fantastic acheivments. The Fulham and Swansea results do not change our future and will have no bearing on the emergence of a great team in the making.

  47. VCC says:

    Point taken on Park, but the snippets i have seen don’t pull up any tress for me.

    Funny thing is I would have Vela on the bench ahead of Chamakh, but who am I?………. Just one of thousands shouting from the roof tops in my area, get shot of the no hopers.

  48. goonermichael says:

    Dangerous challenge by Ramsey? Did you watch the match? The striker trod on Ramseys leg. Everyone including the Arsenal haters are saying it wasn’t a pen.

  49. goonermichael says:

    Your comment is so wrong it’s funny


    Cornwall, you will face stiff competion around here. every 12 doors down there is a “sauna” staffed by some very lovley eastern european girls. i purchased mysef a telscope last year and fom a fabulous vantage point from my bathroom window i have been conducting research (for scientific purposes of course) on the ins and outs of said establishments. Fascinating stuff.

  51. steve. says:


  52. Rasp says:

    All I am saying is that the stumbling block is to find a club who want the player. They will only show an interest if they are willing to get close to matching the wages we are paying. If they are still interested then we can negotiate a price as long as the player wants to go to them. Bendtner wouldn’t leave us to join a Championship side.

  53. kelsey says:

    Season 2011/2012 (Arsene Wenger’s 16th season at the club;
    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/arsen … _2011.html
    Andre Santos (£6.16million), Chu-Young Park (£2.99million), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£12.14million), Gervinho (£10.56million), Mikel Arteta (£10.56million), Per Mertesacker (£9.94million), Carl Jenkinson (£990.000), Joel Campbell (£880.000), Yossi Benayoun (loan) arrived. Emmanuel Frimpong promoted from reserves. Gael Clichy, Emmanuel Eboue, Armand Traore, Jay Emmanuel-Thomas, Cesc Fabregas (£29.92million), Samir Nasri (£24.2million) left. Transfer revenue was £+13.61million.

  54. TotalArsenal says:

    Well done Mark, go on, let’s shoot down another one of our young stars. Ramsey is so close to becoming a top quality player but he is not totally there yet. So the best thing for you and all those other ‘knowers of the game’ to do, is to knock him down big style. Well done, a true Gooner.

  55. meaner says:

    Arsharvin is a easy target. What did he do yesterday? created a goal. What did Ramilson do yesterday? Created 2 goals for opponent and you gave him a 6. I would give Ramilson a mere 1 for making up the numbers.

    Ramilson, if you are reading this, you are farking lucky that Wenger promised your damn parents to give you first team appearance before you signed for us. You should join Denilson away for the sake of Arsenal, fark off Ramilson. I mean it, fark off.

  56. kelsey says:

    I would cash in on Walcott and i make liverpool favorites but If AW gives him more time, he will give him his new deal and we will see if was right.IMO I would sell, not because I don’t rate him but because he for one reason or another would most probably do better at a different club.

  57. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Your last paragraph about the final ball to our forward line being so poor is bang on. However, I don’t blame AR. He is simply played out of position. I have no idea how many times I have said this season that without a specialist AM the system will not work.
    As Total rightly says, Arsene now has to sort the formation out.
    There are no excuses about injuries to JW as he is not an AM either.

  58. kelsey says:


    you forgot mertasacker 😉

  59. fatgingergooner says:

    has everyone seen this on YouTube?

    Something to cheer you up if not!.

  60. crispen says:

    The single worst player on the field was Ramsey ….. but you want to talk about Arsh, Song, Djourou etc. Ramsey should be rested for the rest of the season he is crap and has been the whole season.
    ……… But then he IS british so lets not talk badly of one of our own.

  61. Wonderman says:

    Perhaps an incite as to where the real problems lie. The below quote has just been sent to me from someone who went on an arsenal tour recently and was told the following

    Wenger does not accept coaching advice from anyone. Not Pat Rice, not Steve Bould, nobody. Under GG they practiced defending for 2 hours each day. Ashley Cole was the worst defender he had seen, but the experienced players like Adams had him on a string and coached him to turn him into one of the best in the world. We now have a team of young kids mixed with a team of foreign players with no premiership experience, so who is teaching who? They hardly practice any defending in training, so as a consequence, our attackers aren’t being realistically tested and our defenders play like they’re strangers

  62. Ragnethan says:

    The third goal wasn’t entirely Miquels fault,we have a very bad habit of defending too far up the pitch which is exactly what we did from the kick off after we equalised. There was no need for it, had the back four sat a little deeper the situation would noyt have occured as it did. We could have at least defended by attacking the ball rather than chasing back(again). It really is a constant risk situation we put ourselves in.

  63. TotalArsenal says:

    Well done Meaner and Crisper for giving Aaron your feeble cyber knocks. I guess you will only be happy once you have totally broken his spirit. He is one of us and he gave his all to the team yesterday. But go on, why should you support him, who wears the shirt and is one of us: just keep venting all your disappointment on that young man. It is just what he needs, well done.

  64. VCC says:

    Kelsey 11:24.

    I meant to buy him a Christmas present! Some springs to put in his boots.

    Unless my eyes are deceiving me, he does not jump for headers, just hops. Have a look !!!!!! Or must I go to Specsavers?

  65. My Name says:

    Sadly, Theo will never realise the ambitions we had for him. If he wasn’t English he’d be barracked constantly. I have no allegiances to England, so I resent him more for the comparative easy ride he gets. Impact sub, nothing more. As long as we persist with sub standard goal shy wide men like Walcott and Arshavin nothing will improve.
    Consider their predecessors: pires, ljunberg, overmars, limpar, merson, even Hleb.

  66. Rasp says:

    Ramsey is a very good young Arsenal player who has all the attributes to make it to the top. His performances this season have been mixed along with many others. He cannot be criticised for effort or commitment and is a victim of the effect that the injuries have on the available players around him. He is looking tired and it would be good to rest him, but with Frimpong out on loan (a daft decision), Coquelin injured, Arteta missing and jack still at least a month away, Ramsey needs our support and understanding as we will be making even greater demands on him.

  67. kelsey says:

    Well said TA.

    He does give his all, maybe tries too much and maybe the heckling he got from the home fans didn’t help.the same thing happened when we played at cardiff.

    What would you have said if his bullet header had gone in. he has immense talent and is busting a gut to do well which is more than can be said from one or two other players.

  68. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I said a couple of days ago that I believe Arsenal will have the greatest midfield in the game in 18 months with JW and AR as a two with one as an AM. I still have a sneaky feeling that the “one” may turn out to be Ox. It is because of his pace that it is easy to assume he is a wide boy but I think he will be devastationg more central.

  69. TotalArsenal says:

    My name (?) If you look into it you will see that Arshavin and Theo, who play in different times as the PL has moved on, and in different teams compared to those names you put out, are actually not ‘sub standard goal shy wide men’. Their statistics easily match those of our former heroes. But what Walcott needs now, after he just found a bit of form yesterday and scored his first goal since October, is being picked on again. We, the fans, make them and break them.

  70. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Oz, where re you?
    Good and bad news from a rag paper over here:
    “Loic Remy has delivered a firm ‘Non’ to the prospect of joining Tottenham this month.
    Spurs boss Harry Redknapp travelled to the Stade Velodrome on Sunday night to watch France striker Remy and Lille’s highly coveted Belgium playmaker Eden Hazard.
    Remy stole the show as he struck both goals in Marseille’s 2-0 win against the French champions”.
    Couldn’t cope with seeing one of our hard scouted players joining that lot.

  71. TotalArsenal says:

    Micky, fully agreed: Ox just behind RvP and we are rolling!

  72. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I love you. You are the first person ever to agree with one of my brilliant ideas 🙂


    Ramsey will be a great player for the club. These people venting there spleen on him are the same people who will be jumping up and down and lauding him once he matures and becomes the player he is destined to be. Even if he dosnt realise his potential, is it fair to insult in him in such a personal way? of course not. I despair at the modern supporter at times, to much play station, football manager, lack of manners and respect for themselves never mind others. The only down side to the great Arsenal team that will emerge soon is that these people will bathe in the glory. They are deserving of nothing.

  74. boyo says:

    Ask this of our young players? Would wenger buy them now? Rambo and Walcott have not developed as we all hoped the truth is at 21 and 22 they are not hat young in football terms and wouldnt play at another top club. That’s my view

    Some youngsters keep developing others have just peaked younger and the trick is knowing when to cut a sub standard player.

    When Cesc left and was asked about his replacement he said Wilshire was already better than he as at that age! Of ramsey he said his final ball will improve. Basically saying the older Ramsey isnt very good yet

  75. Rasp says:

    Hi Micky, I agree 😛

    I think Swansea were much better organised and pressed much harder than we did yesterday. As soon as one of our players received the ball, they had 2 or 3 Swans bearing down on them.

    Some of our players seem to think its fun to give the ball to a colleague hidden amongst a crowd of opposing players. We seem to have lost that fluidity that is created by players showing for the ball and giving a range of choices to the man in possession. Fair enough a moment of brilliance as demonstrated by RvP yesterday can mean that we emerge with the ball leaving 2 or 3 of the opposition stranded, but when things are not going your way, don’t play your teammates into trouble, keep it simple and only risk the clever pass in the final third when it could create a goalscoring opportunity.


    Dont be silly Micky, i agree with you and TA 100%. Ox is the new Rooney, but a much nicer version of course.

  77. goonermichael says:

    This is just a continuation of last night on Twitter. Some feeble minded people have to blame everything on one person because it’s easy and it takes a bit of intelligence to work anything else out. You’ll be happy to know that the c**t who was on twitter abusing Rambo had his account closed and #weloverambo and #weloveramsey both trended world wiide. These people are a minority (and a f**king disgrace)

  78. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Shit me. I love you as well Rasp and you too Transplant. Man Love Rules.

  79. Rasp says:

    Awww, give us a snog Micky – but no tongues, I know the kinda stuff you eat 😕

  80. kelsey says:

    If we don’t make top four then all the so called plastic fans will move on, that will sort out the men from the boys.

  81. Rasp says:


    Its looking like we’ll have to win the CL to qualify for next year – but as you know, I have been forecasting that we will reach the final since November, so its definitely going to happen

  82. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I taste goooooood

  83. goonermichael says:

    That’s a nice thought Kelsey.

  84. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I definately sensed an improved atmosphere at the ground immediately after our early season blip, so I think you are right. A win win situation for the good guys 🙂

  85. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Work calls.
    How vulgar 😦


    And we have every chance of winning it Rasp. Would be so sweet to win it with the added bonus of denying the team who comes fourth a place for next year, hopefully Tottenham hahahaha.

  87. RockyLives says:

    Thanks for the comments everyone.

    Ramsey was non-stop effort yesterday. A lot of his stuff didn’t come off but he was more effective than our other MFs and, as Rasp says, nearly got on the score sheet with that header.

    The antagonism towards him from some fans is shameful and, largely, ignorant (like “boyo” at 12.09). Ramsey has just completed half a season with us. He missed all of last year with a shattered leg yet apparently he has “not developed as hoped”.

    People who can’t see Ramsey’s innate quality just don’t really have much football intelligence.

  88. Rasp says:

    On the topic of fans. Did you all note that the totnum fans were very quiet up until the time they equalised on saturday and they have been the loudest in London so far this season. It was picked up on MotD and Frimpong tweeted it after the game. I believe this was for the same reason as our fans become quiet during games.

    The burden of expectation weighs heavily on the fans too and they feel the pressure when we are expected to win and that results in less singing and more handwringing. I’m not excusing it, you only had to hear the reception to TH’s goal to see what how loud the support can be when inspired from the pitch, but they have to accept that it is their resposbility to lift the players whichever way the game is going.

  89. goonermichael says:

    The winners don’t Qualify as far as I’m aware. They made a rule after the problems with the bindippers. I’ll google it though.

  90. Gooner In Exile says:

    GunnerPete I’m sure others have picked you up on this…I haven’t got to the end of the comments you say:

    “In the past 6 years we/all us Gunners have pleaded for AW to accept that he is a crap coach re; defending .His buying of defenders has always been debatable ie; instead of paying class acts like Tony/Bouldy/Keown to go and find class players with guts from all over the UK, he relies on Grimandi a very average player to spot the foreigner!”

    And then say:

    “Arsene has had shocking bad luck with injuries, mainly to our only class players ( Vermy, Jack, Gibbs, Santos, Sagna, and Jenkinson ) with all them we would probably be second seeing the crazy ….”

    Well four of those are defenders signed by Arsene, two are UK youngsters raised by Arsene. Show me the great UK youth talent on show for any of the other top 5 that has been raised by the club.

  91. Rasp says:

    Hi GM, I thought it was the opposite and the winners did qualify automatically – but I could be wrong, let me know what you unearth.

  92. goonermichael says:

    I’m wrong. The holders do qualify and the 4th place would go into the Europa league

  93. goonermichael says:

    They clarified it when Liverpool won because they had to make a special case for them.

  94. Double98 says:

    Szczesney: 1
    Djourou: 4 (Sagna, Jenkinson, Kosc)
    Mertesacker: 2 (Vermaelan)
    Koscielny: 1
    Miquel: 4 (Gibbs, Santos, Vermaelan)
    Song: 1
    Ramsey: 2 (Wilshere)
    Benayoun: 6 (Arteta, Wilshere, Coquelin, Rosicky, Frimpong)
    Arshavin: 4 (Gervinho, Henry, A random bloke from the crowd)
    Walcott: 1 (God and Arsene know why)
    Van Persie: 1

    Above are the starting team and beside each persons name is a number that indicates their selection priority imo.

    We had 5 first choice players.
    2 second choice players
    3 fourthchoice players
    1 sixth choice player

    Arshavin – Brutal
    Walcott – Brutal
    Benayoun – Brutal

    Miquel – Out of position
    Djourou – Out of position
    Song – Out of position (pushed back to cover Arteta)

    It was a pre season friendly or a trial match formation.

    I am as pro wenger as they come but our injury situation is not unlucky.
    The full backs must be doing someting unsustainable – sprinting or backtracking too much or something –
    When something keeps happening – i.e. fullback gets crocked – then something is consistent and addressable.

  95. goonermichael says:

    2 of the full backs have impact injuries.

  96. Double98 says:

    hi gm – how many of the people who have played fb have muscular / soft tissue?

  97. LB says:

    The difficulty in debating Ramsey is that as soon as you question his performance someone trots out their prediction of how good he will be in the future or offers up, yet again, the excuse of his broken leg.

    Here is my explanation; it is fairly obvious that we missed Arteta, why, because of his ability to control the midfield. Yesterday, Ramsey replaced Arteta and would you say he controlled the midfield? I wouldn’t. And there lies the problem, as things stand he is not commanding enough, it is all too many tricks flicks and back heels.

    Ramsey is in fact another Diaby and if you are still bothering to read this you can take that however you want. Diaby is so often caught in possession; he slows down break aways by taking too many touches almost as if to show off his ability.

    I cannot see how Ramsey comes out well after yesterday’s performance, especially when Swansea’s midfield played so much better than ours. This is Swansea we are talking about, Swansea and I don’t care how well they have been playing, it is a sad indictment that they have more talented wingers than we do, Sinclair and Dyer made Walcott and Arshavin look pedestrian and the fact that our full backs are injured is no excuse, Walcott cannot control the ball, his goal is the exception that proves the rule. Arshavin should just leave, just give his shirt back to Vic Akers and take the next plane back to Russia.

    On an attempt to leave on a positive note, I am glad that others are noticing the similarity of the Ox to Rooney, this is a thought I have had for some time.

    Congrats on coming up with a non suicidal post Rocky.

  98. Wonderman says:

    Hi double 98, with respect mate I have not read anything as ridiculous as your

    ‘The full backs must be doing someting unsustainable – sprinting or backtracking too much or something –
    When something keeps happening – i.e. fullback gets crocked – then something is consistent and addressable.’

    Just to remind you Sagna fractured his leg as a result of a challenge/collision, Jenkinson has a hairline fracture which is as probably linked to the fact that he is still growing and Santos damaged ankle ligament whilst completing a clearance. Hardly consistent or addressable, how was Wenger supposed to plan for those occurrences . Gibbs however has had a dreadful injury record, but the we have often heard that this can be the case with teenagers

  99. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Soft tissue as in Andrex?

  100. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Hi LB,
    Long time.

  101. fatgingergooner says:

    i wonder why Rambo hasnt developed as we would like?
    poor mentality?
    not good enough?

    or maybe it has something to do with a smashed up leg!!!

    Ramsey is going to be a hell of a player, and to be putting in the performances he has at times this season, after such a horrific injury, is a credit to him.

    Someone said yesterday that theres no wonder why players arent loyal these days, what, with all the abuse that their so called fans give them. i totally agree. If i was Ramsey reading this shit i would be off to the highest bidder.

    these fans sound like spoilt brats who are crying because there toys have been taken away. if you want instant success then piss off to City. if you want to support a club properly then you do it through thick AND thin. at the moment, its not great, but coming up with pathetic nicknames for players and sending them death threats is bang out of order.

  102. LB says:

    I rest my case.

  103. pacman says:

    TotalArsenal @ 11:18

    Well said m8

    People picking on Ramsey and saying he was at fault for 3 goals is just stupid.. Look at Arshavin pass for the 2 goal, And Henry loses the ball with Michel total out of position for the 3. Chezny could also reach the ball if he rushed out and Mertesacker was out of position to

  104. fatgingergooner says:


    to criticise Ramseys performance yday is acceptable, when done in the right manner, as yourself has just done.

    but abusing players and sending death threats is another matter.

    as for the broken leg, if you believe it has no bearing on his current standing in football, then thats your opinion. as someone who has had a similar injury at a young age, i can understand how hard it is to recover from, let alone maintain a career as a top footballer.

  105. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    I think you misunderstood me, my “Feels on Wheels “franchise is a “man feely thing”. us men get to massage the likes of bored housewives, in places, say like Bounds Green etc !. 🙂
    How`s your survey going on ?. How weird is that though, I was driving through Bounds Green one clear night and just happen to have my Telescope with me, I stopped and had a look through it and had a clear view of Uranus ! 🙂

  106. RockyLives says:

    Hello LB
    Is Ramsey able to control the MF like Arteta?
    Is he the new Diaby?
    Also no. I have never seen Ramsey play in a game without giving 100%. I have seen that from Diaby on numerous occasions.

    However, I agree he needs to stop the silly flicks and back heels and play a more percentage based game. But let’s not forget he has played some sublime (Cesc-like) through balls this season and would have a hatful of assists if Gerv and Theo had any idea how to finish.

    That said, I don’t see Ramsey as a Cesc replacement although I can see him playing in a three with Arteta and Wilshere.

    I think people mention the broken leg not so much as an excuse, but to remind the short sighted that Ramsey has basically played half a season with us.

    After their first half season the following players were still a long, long way from the legends they became: Anelka, Pires, Ljungberg, Petit, Keown, Cole, Overmars. I’m sure there are others. If the internet had been as ubiquitous in their day they would all have been slaughtered unmercifully by certain sections of the “support”.


    Cornwall, i do conduct my surveys with my pants down my ankles (purely for scientific purposes of course) so its quite possible that Uranus could be visible on a clear night. hahaha.

  108. Double98 says:

    Hi Wonderman – Players are more susceptible to stress fractures and impact injuries when they are in the red zone in terms of certain muscle groups.
    When those muscles, ligaents etc are under stress they have less flexibility and suppleness in supporting the joints and bones… alot of impact injuries happen early or late in season except at arsenal.
    Its hardly ridiculous but nor is it scientific to opine that when you have 7 or 8 medium to long term injuries in 2 similar positions then maybe there is something wrong in the training / preperation / execution
    I played a good bit of rugby and am commenting on the injuries i have seen – we had a series of front row injuries during preseason and we had 7 or 8 guys out until we had a trainer come in and change our dynamic warm up.
    I know its apples and oranges but when something is repeating it is worth examining

  109. goonermichael says:

    Ramsey has capatained Wales so a lot of proffessionals must be wrong about him.

  110. TotalArsenal says:

    Welcome back LB 🙂

    Ramsey’s best games are yet to come, but his previous best games were probably for Wales. The classical 4-4-2 suits him best imo, but as this is his first proper season and Arsene is reshaping his team (and struggling with it at the moment), Ramsey (as well as Arteta, and Song) is simply finding his feet is this new formation. Yet, the man oozes talent, class and commitment, and there is nothing wrong in saying he needs a bit more time. Ramsey’s contributions have been impressive already this season and more is to come. Without his late goal in Marseille, which he took very well at the time, we might not have made it to the next round of the CL, for example. Those sort of goals, at those sort of moments (so late in the game and with such importance), are signs of near-future greatness.

    In an ideal world we would play 4-4-2 with Song, Coquelin, Arteta in the DM role and Ramsey, Wilshere or Arteta in the CM role, and RvP and the Ox upfront, flanked by Gervinho and Theo (Arshavin, Ryo). But that will remain a dream for now, sorry Mickster 😦

  111. LB says:

    Hi Rocky

    Your old school view of – The boy did well – because he ran around a lot in midfield “Giving 100%” is very endearing but it does not make up for him not doing what he was supposed to — control it — and Ramsey did not control that midfield in any way shape or form.

    You can skillfully write that he is not like Diaby and I will continue to say he is.

  112. LB says:

    I agree with all your predictions for Ramsey’s future but yesterday he ran around, I was going to say like a headless chicken but that is too harsh, although he certainly ran around like an ineffectual one.

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  114. I have to come out of my self imposed break, briefly, to show solidity with the sensible, intelligent regular bloggers on here.

    But first, well done Rocky for eschewing the vitriolic and asinine attacks on the manager, and individual players in your Post, and instead, as expected, giving us a mature, reflective and consummately intelligent appraisal of a disappointing result and performance. Well done, sir! 🙂

    I have been immensely impressed too by the comments of TA, Rasp, GIE, TerryM and supported by many of the other regulars, who altho obviously disappointed with the result and the team performance, tried to be objective and even handed. Well done to you lot too! 🙂

    For those planks who have singled out Aaron Ramsey for vicious, and vile personal abuse I have nothing but contempt.

    (Micky and GLIC — keep taking the West Country nutty elixir – we need as much humor as poss at the moment)! 🙂


    You must be very proud that as a result of the first caveman realising with his bald spot – (stretching from the nape of his neck all the way to his eye brows), that he would not get the furry cavegirl unless he invented the toupe and the telescope —- and now there you are — a direct link! Yaay! 🙂

  115. Double98 says:

    Ramsay was let down by the Arteta Replacement – Song was deployed as the most defensively placed MF and Benayoun was sent in to do the Song role.

    Songs role is to skirmish in the centre circle, he wins ball, feeds Ramsay and the forwards.
    Benayoun is an attacking midfielder

    It all meant that Ramsay – as our most creative player had no one to skirmish for him and win him the ball and as noone was winning the ball for him we lost the midfield had to go back and defend much more.

    He didn’t have a great game, but how could he? the midfield was overrun.
    His performance last night reminded me of cescs against Barca. – He tried to create but he had to force the play and then he kept getting caught in possession.

  116. RockyLives says:

    LB 🙂
    I’ll agree that he ran around like a ineffectual chicken (with a head). Although I suspect even an effectual chicken would not be anything to write home about 🙂

    And off course you’re right – effort is not enough, but it is something and he is not without skill. He’s just not ready to be the lead man yet.

  117. Wonderman says:

    Hi Double 98

    I don’t violently disagree with your statements on possible injury causes but what you can’t get away with mate is saying things like

    ‘The full backs must be doing someting unsustainable – sprinting or backtracking too much or something –
    When something keeps happening – i.e. fullback gets crocked – then something is consistent and addressable.’

    Both Sagna and Santos were doing exactly what you would expect your full backs to do in a game and had probably done those exact manoeuvres loads of times. Their injuries were different and as far as I am aware have not been sustained by either player before or any of the other full backs. So your assertion that ‘ something keeps happening’ doesn’t stand up

    The injuries were also sustained in a period that is generally accepted to be NOT when players are most at risk of injuries

    Whilst I understand the rugby scenario it is a completely different sport to football with completely different anaerobic and aerobic demands

  118. RockyLives says:

    Redarsus in Absentia 🙂

  119. Big Raddy says:

    RL. Another fine post.

    I am very pleased I wasn’t around when the token bashing of Ramsey was taking place. Perhaps, yesterday was not his finest hour and it is true he cannot control the midfield in the Arteta/Cesc manner, but nothing excuses the belittling of one of our own. Especially when AR is blamed for a referee making a clear error and for being dispossessed after a hospital ball from AA.

    LB approaches criticism in his own reasoned style, I don’t agree with him but at least he shows respect.

    Some of these so called fans make me ashamed to be a Gooner.

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  121. Gooner In Exile says:

    Ok looking at Rambo who seems to be the “culprit” I have one observation… he is incurring wrath because he didn’t hide, for 90 minutes he showed for the ball. For 90 minutes he had little outlet ball once he had it. For 90 minutes he was in the game.

    Now what did we see Arshavin, Walcott, and RvP do yesterday? They all had one moment where they scored or assisted a goal. Other than that we didn’t see them. Song was absent when they had possession, when he had possession he was sloppy.

    Miquel although not a left back made every effort to show and join in. I just did not see that effort from others, apart from Rambo, and Ox & TR7 when introduced.

    The biggest difference between them and us yesterday was pace of passing and number of touches. When Joe Allen had two touches Song had four, and that was the same in every position. Pass and move at its purest and we could not live with it. The only place on the pitch Swansea took more than two touches was inthe wings where their midfielders can carry the ball and keep our full backs honest.

    On WMs comments about defensive coaching that may have been true pre season but I understand that the back four have been drilled by Pat Rice for a while now I think Sz or Koz mentioned it in an interview during our good run of defensive performances.

    Rocky I didn’t mention earlier what a very good summation of yesterday’s events was.

    Do I ask the team to be as good as the Invincibles….well it would be lively but it’s not going to happen. We were spoilt and whilst expectations are so high and the yardstick is such a lot of fans will have miserable days. What I do ask for is focus and commitment and with some of the team”appearing” not to care too much then I will be upset.

    Simple things are not being done properly….1st lesson in football – you must earn the right to play…..by winning personal battle with your opponent…..then by helping your teammates. Then maybe you can look to do the special things. Swansea earned it yesterday.

  122. RockyLives says:

    Arseblog makes some good comments about Ramsey today.

    Not to labour the point, but Diaby has disappointed now for multiple seasons and never managed a string of games together after his ankle break.

    Ramsey has effectively played only half a season for us, and that in a team in transition. But at the very least he has shown that he is not plagued by the succession of niggly injuries that have afflicted Diaby post-fracture.

    If Ramsey is still performing at the same level as now when he has been with us as long as Diaby (which will be in 2016) I will concede your point.

    But by then I expect Aaron to have become an Arsenal superstar (which means he’ll probably be playing for Barcelona in 2016 😦 )

  123. RockyLives says:

    Very good comment.

  124. Big Raddy says:

    As Billy “Bites yer Legs” Shakespeare said in his masterwork Richard the 3rd …. A Full Back, A Full Back. My Kingdom for a Full Back”

  125. fatgingergooner says:

    Ramsey was also let down by the lack of movement in our team. People say he should be finding the runs of Theo, AA and RVP, but there werent many runs to find. Theo only has one run in his locker which is lay the ball off and spin behind, but that doesnt work if the defender covers it. AA makes very few runs at all these days unless the ball is at his feet already. We lack the type of movement upfront that Henry, Ljungberg and Pires used to have.

  126. TotalArsenal says:

    Welcome back Red Arse, I realised for the first time the other day, how much we need you here on AA. One of your key contributions is to get the party started, so to speak. It is a bit like those runners who are deployed at 5000 or 10000 meter races to set the tempo, only to fall behind after a while. In our case, somebody writes a post (organises a party) and then you comment with some sort of mini-summary, or a contrasting point of view, and the blogging (the party) often truly starts after your initial comment.

    I know you have chosen not to write blogs yourself which I, for one, regret, but your role of tempo-setter is at least as important. So thanks a lot for that! 🙂

  127. goonermichael says:

    Raddy are you coming over for the Vila game?

  128. Wonderman says:

    GIE I totally agree with your last post, it seems Ramsey is being lambasted for nothing other than trying too hard. Do we not prefer that to Arhavins not trying hard enough? I still maintain that our current weakness is not being clinical . We had twice as many shots on target as Swansea but whilt they had. 75% success rate we had 25%.

    And another thing, when are we going to start looking dangerous at corners

  129. Big Raddy says:

    GM. I doubt it as I am due to fly out on Sunday afternoon.

    If the ticket can be changed to an early Monday flight for under €100 I will because would very much like to join the AA’ers meeting pre-match.

  130. Red Arse says:

    Oh, ssshhh, TA. 🙂

    Not sure when I will blog again. Keep up the good work!

    It’s been a pleasure chatting to you and many others. Bye now.

  131. TotalArsenal says:

    Wonderman, partly agree on not being clinical enough. However, we scored two goals in an away game yesterday and let three in. Our defending was badly effected by the poor shape of our team, and a top-team does not conceed three goals in any game.

  132. goonermichael says:

    That’s a shame Raddy I just bought a ticket. The game was moved from the Saturday.

  133. Big Raddy says:

    RA. Looking forward to your return.

  134. Arsedave says:


    Don’t know if your still logged on but when I say re-assess in a few weeks what I mean is see where we are in comparison to Chelsea, Newcastle and Liverpool. I think if we go on a good run again we can still reach a Champions League spot.

    We are just on a bad run at the moment, and so are $ity, ManUre and Liverpool. Spurs WILL have a bad spell soon no doubt so even 3rd is still possible.

    The main thing is not to slag our young players off like Aaron, stick together and believe in AW.

    We are only doing what ManUre did after Blackburn and Newcastle games and $ity after Sunderland and WBA, I know it’s only natural to be disappointed but we have all to be as one and move forward. 5 wins on the spin and this Swansea game will all be forgotton.

  135. Puri says:

    Hey, Great Blog. Check out my Euro 2012 and Manchester United vs Arsenal preview at:



  136. Arsedave says:


    A good read thanks, I fancy us for this one, especially if we approach the game against them like Newcastle did a fortnight ago.
    We have to be switched on though because look how easy they scored against $ity in the cup after 11 minutes of $ity pressure.

    The key is good play, move the ball quickly and keep full concentration especially at the back.

  137. Wonderman says:

    Hi TA, I agree that top teams don’t concede 3 goals but the fact remains in the last two games we have created more shots on target than our opponents , but they have outscored us. On Sunday we had 9 shots on target against Swansea’s 5. Last week we had 10 against Fulhams 8. ( info courtesy of the bbc) I haven’t gone back any further but would expect to see the same pattern.

    I don’t believe we were affected by poor shape as much as failure to finish and move the ball into threatening areas quicker.

  138. goonermichael says:

    The mancs conceded 3 against blackburn and Newcastle. Are they a top team?

  139. Wonderman says:

    GM the thinking is a top team has the ball most of the time and when they don’t, defend robustly enough to prevent goal scoring opportunities. If that fails their goalie more often than not pulls off a save. You don’t often see the teams that end up winning leagues conceding 3 or more goals often. Coming o think of it even so called lesser teams seldom do it

  140. TotalArsenal says:

    Wonderman, I think we are more or less in agreement 🙂

    GM, no they are not a top-team, but they have a top manager, who just focuses on getting the job done. He does that part better than anybody else in the PL. Boring, Boring Mancs… 😦

  141. RockyLives says:

    If we get our FBs back and have Verm and Arteta available I reckon we’re as good as the Mancs.

    Anyone know if any of the missing men will be back for next week?

  142. Happy 2012!

    — 10 years ago Bob Hope died

    — 5 years ago Johnny Cash died

    — A few months ago Steve Jobs died

    — A few weeks ago Jimmy Saville died

    So now we have no Hope, no Cash, no Jobs and nobody left to Fix It.

    Let’s hope that nothing happens to Ed Balls!

  143. kelsey says:

    Is there a delay on the Internet to Cornwal, evonne put that up a few days ago 🙂

  144. kelsey says:

    Abou Diaby aged 25 nearly 26, signed for us in the window 6 years ago and has made 109 appearances and scored 14 goals (not including own goals) .Well I hope young ramsey improves on that.

  145. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi Kelsey, thanks for the mention in your New Years ‘honours’.
    GiE – How have we been ‘spoilt’?


    Ime very proud of my telescope thank you Redders, echoing FGG, this site is not the same with out you, so make your sabatical as short as my telescope please.hahahaha.

  147. VCC says:

    I posted these late a few days back, just in case they were missed!!

    Did you hear about the fat, alcoholic transvestite – All he wanted to do was eat, drink and be Mary

    Got an e-mail today from a bored local housewife, 43, who was looking for some hot action!
    So I sent her my ironing. That’ll keep the lazy woman busy.

    I got invited to a party and was told to dress to kill. Apparently a turban, beard and a backpack wasn’t what they had in mind.

    After a night of drink, drugs and wild sex Bill woke up to find himself next to a really ugly woman. That’s when he realised he had made it home safely.

  148. VCC says:

    Paddy says to Mick, “Christmas is on Friday this year”. Mick said, “Let’s hope it’s not the 13th then.”

    My mate just hired an Eastern European cleaner – took her 5 hours to hoover the house. Turns out she was a Slovak

    I’ve been charged with murder for killing a man with sandpaper. To be honest I only intended to rough him up a bit.

    After years of research, scientists have discovered what makes women happy.

    A lad comes home from school and excitedly tells his dad that he had a part in the school play and he was playing a man who had been married for 25 years. The dad says, “Never mind son, maybe next year you’ll get a speaking part.”

    2 women called at my door and asked what bread I ate, when I said white they gave me a lecture on the benefits of brown bread for 30 minutes.. I think they were Hovis Witnesses.

  149. VCC says:

    Hi Rocky.
    Hope you had a great holiday. What cruise did you go on?

  150. Herb'sArmy says:

    Well done for putting that quality post together Rocky, after a very flat day yesterday.
    Aaron Ramsey is a very good young footballer, good enough to captain his country, but as is the way at Arsenal now, he gets played to the point of exhaustion. I hope the authorities find those thugs who hide behind their mindless ‘Tweets’ and make an example of them.

  151. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    That wasn`t me, Probably Redders, I think he left the Cuckoo Club with the wrong coat !. 🙂
    I dont recycle jokes, 99% of my daft comments are my own, it`s original stuff, heard first on AA ( actually, it`s the only place i comment ) 🙂
    Where`s e va va vonne. If your sad again, get back, we miss you, otherwise I`ll send round the Bounds Green “Feels on Wheels” van !. 🙂

  152. RockyLives says:

    Hi VCC
    I was on a Costa cruise – on an identical boat to the one that’s just gone down in the Med. A bit unnerving, to be honest.

    Well said, on both counts.

  153. VCC says:

    Hey GLiC

    we can amalgamate…… My Franchise is called F—- on Trucks.

  154. VCC says:

    I done the Med a couple of years ago. MSC Orchestra.

  155. LB says:

    This blog never seems to amaze me, it is Chinese whispers at it’s worst.

    Someone said above that the Ox resembles Rooney, why? Becasue they play in a similar way, was there a negative respose? No.

    Ramsey played like like Diaby YESTERDAY that’s to say he did not contol midfield, he lost possesion, he slowed our break away down and there were too many tricks flicks and back heels.

    Rocky you are the only person on this blog who has said that Ramsey is the new Diaby. You are obvoiusly busy there in Toronto but if you are going to reply to my comments please read them as accurately as I am sure you would like us to read your posts.

    Original point:

    “Ramsey is in fact another Diaby and if you are still bothering to read this you can take that however you want. Diaby is so often caught in possession; he slows down break aways by taking too many touches almost as if to show off his ability.”

    You see? I am refering to a style of play, nothing to do with his age, the amount of time he has been injured or what kind of player is likely to be in the future, just plain and simply YESTERDAY Ramsey reminded me of Diaby.

  156. chas says:

    Spot-on assessment of yesterday’s performance, Rocky.

    Sometimes the team fail to grasp that they have to earn the right to play football by either matching or exceeding the opposition team’s work rate.

  157. goonermichael says:

    I think the mancs are shit personally. The matches against Blackburn, Fulham and Swansea were all lost from winning positions I suspect that’s what the top teams do so much.

  158. goonermichael says:

    I think Ramsey may be what you say but he looks like he puts in a lot more effort than Diaby. He was being blamed for the loss by a lot of people on twitter last night which was a bit unfair.

  159. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    With Total`s ” Dykes on Bikes`s”, with just about got it covered.
    Special discounts for AA members, that also counts for any AAers who want “TackleNav`s for their Members !

  160. goonermichael says:

    I meant to say “don’t do so much” in the earlier comment (4:08). Made me look a bit of a twat.

  161. RockyLives says:

    Thanks LB
    I understand your meaning now.
    Apologies if I misinterpreted it, but phrases like “Ramsey is in fact another Diaby” and “You can skillfully write that he is not like Diaby and I will continue to say he is” seemed to be making a general comparison rather than a specific one about yesterday’s performance.
    All clear now though.
    There were aspects of Ramsey’s play yesterday that were reminiscent of Diaby (the occasional over-elaboration and hanging on to the ball too long) although I thought his consistent drive throughout the whole match was very un-Diaby like.

  162. kelsey says:

    Samba has put in a transfer request.Now there’s a player we should go for.

  163. Just going through some papers and thought I’d share this with you. Terry you’ve never driven a snow plough have?


    It’s starting to snow. Yippeee! The first of the season and the first we’ve seen for years. The wife and I took out our hot toddies and sat on the porch watching the fluffy soft flakes drift gently down, clinging to the trees and covering the ground. It’s so beautiful and peaceful.
    Dec. 24th
    We awoke to a lovely pristine blanket of crystal white, glistening snow, covering everything as far as the eye could see.
    What a fantastic sight, every tree and bush covered with a beautiful white mantle. I shoveled snow for the first time ever and loved it.
    I did both our driveway and the pavement.
    Later that day a snow plough came along and accidentally covered up our driveway with compacted snow from the street.
    The driver smiled and waved. I waved back and shovelled it away again. The children next door built a snowman with coal for eyes and a carrot for a nose, and had a snowball fight, a couple just missed me and hit the car, so I threw a couple back and joined in their fun.
    Dec 26th
    It snowed an additional 5 inches last night and the temperature dropped to around minus 8 degrees.
    Several branches on our trees and bushes snapped due to the weight of the snow.
    I shovelled our driveway again. Shortly afterwards the snow plough came by and did his trick again.
    Much of the snow is now a brownish-grey.
    Jan 1st
    Warmed up enough during the day to create some slush, which soon became ice when the temperature dropped again.
    Bought snow tyres for both our cars.
    Fell on my arse in the driveway. Went to a physio but nothing was broken. Just large bruises.
    Jan 5th
    Still cold. Sold the wife’s car and bought her a 4×4 to get her to work.
    She slid into a wall and did considerable damage to the right wing.
    Had another 8 inches of white shite last night.
    Both vehicles are covered in salt and iced up slush.
    That bastard snow plough fucker came by twice today. Where’s that bloody shovel?

    Jan 9th
    More fucking snow.
    Not a tree or bush on our property that hasn’t been damaged. Power was off most of the night.
    Tried to keep from freezing to death with candles and a paraffin heater, which tipped over and nearly torched the house.
    I managed to put the flames out, but suffered 2nd Degree burns on my hands. Lost all my eye brows and eyelashes. Burnt my schnoz.

    Car hit a fucking deer on the way to casualty and was written off.
    Jan 13th
    Fucking bastard white shite just keeps on coming down.
    Have to put on every article of clothing just to go to the post box. The little shit next door ambushed me with snowballs on the way back.
    I’ll shove that carrot so far up the little prick’s arse it’ll take a good
    surgeon many hours to find it.
    If I ever catch the arsehole that drives the snow plough I’ll chew open his chest and rip out his heart with my teeth.
    I think the wanky bastard hides around the corner and waits for me to finish shovelling and then he accelerates down the street like Michael “Fucking” Schumacher and buries the fucking driveway again.
    Jan 17th
    16 more sodding inches of fucking snow and fucking ice and fucking sleet and god knows what other fucking white shitty shite fell last night.
    I am in court in 3 months time for assaulting the snow plough driver with an ice-pick. He now walks funny.
    Can’t move my fucking toes.
    Haven’t seen the sun for 5 weeks. Minus 20 and more fucking snow is forecast.

  164. goonermichael says:

    Wenger Boy @WengerBoy1 1h
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    FavoritedFavorite · Close Open Details Super. “@Orbinho: Arsenal have won none of the last 10 Premier League games with Mike Dean as the referee (W0 D5 L5).”

    Dean is the ref for Sunday 😦

  165. goonermichael says:

    Arsenal Gentleman @ArsenalGent 43m
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    FavoritedFavorite · Close Open Details TRANSFER NEWS: Arsenal have made a £12m bid for 18th century physicist, mathematician and astronomer Sir Isaac Newton

    Andrew Allen @AAllenSport 40m
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    FavoritedFavorite · Close Open Details @ArsenalGent Meh. Newton’s best work was in the 17th century – he went a bit Chamakh in the 18th…

  166. goonermichael says:

    Arteta Olsson Fans @MikelArteta08 7m
    Reply RetweetedRetweet
    FavoritedFavorite · Close Open Details Chamakh just scored for Morocco. Well done!

  167. goonermichael says:


    Very sad. Shame it’s not the chavs or mancs though


    hahahahaha, Bounds Green dont seem so bad now Cornwall. Could never live out in the sticks, there would be no use for my creepy voyeuring telescope habit.

  169. goonermichael says:

    Jack Widnell @jwidnell 4m
    Reply RetweetedRetweet
    FavoritedFavorite · Close Open Details One week of Carlos Tevez’s wages would have been enough for Darlington to pay their entire squad’s wages until the end of the season.

  170. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    As before with Kelsey, It wasn`t me, It`s an Imposter, the first time ,it was Redders, judging by the avatar. The next one is a different avatar, has Redders changed it to keep me off the scent ?.
    I shall call in the gay brother of Sherlock Holmes, Shirtlift Holmes to find the culprit ! 🙂

  171. Gooner In Exile says:

    Herb 3:33pm

    “GIE – How have we been spoilt?”

    Sorry Herb you’re right we should expect the team to win 5 nil every week and sweep all before them and any other team that dares come close to us in the table should be brushed aside easily.

    But then back in the real world for a minute it wouldn’t be much of a game to watch would it.

    We have no divine right to be at the top, or in the top 4 or winning leagues. We should strive for it yes.

    We had the likes of Pires, Ljungberg, Bergkamp, Pires, Henry, Adams, Bould, Keown, Dixon, Winterburn, Cole, Toure, Campbell, Gilberto, Seaman, and Lehmann all at our club at the peak of their powers making this game we call football look bloody easy because:

    a) they were hungry for success
    b) they played football in a way that had not been seen in this country since the Spurs Double Winning Side.
    c) they were given the coaching and fitness regimes that stood them apart from any other team
    d) teams were scared to play them

    Ergo we were spoilt…….

    And most spoilt by the fact that none of them got anywhere near as frequently injured as our current squad, in fact the most common reason for someones absence from the side was suspension.

    I’m not going to get into a debate about why its not like that anymore as it boring and been done to death…but you asked a question thats my answer.

  172. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Are you going to the Villa Cup game ? If so, what end are you up ?.
    Que some witty reply to last question ! 🙂

  173. Gooner In Exile says:

    From Wenger Boy on Twitter:

    “what a player” > “a touch off form” > “lost his way” > “never should have signed him” > “fucking prick”

    The life of an Arsenal player

  174. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    I tell you what would be creepy, ” your sweeping the neighbourhood bedrooms with your telescope and all of a sudden, you view some naked man looking straight back at you through his telescope, jerking himself off ” ! 😆

  175. G’day to you all

    evonne is definitely sulking along with 26may I shouldn’t wonder 😦

    I’ve realised it doesn’t matter what I think, the only thing that matters is if anything can be fixed or tweaked. Luckily we know that we’re not doing as well as we would like because of injuries. Our first team is much better than the reserves – no surprise there, it’s been like that for a few years now. So, Sunday should be interesting ………..

    I’ve just checked the post cupboard and we need posts for the week – at the moment we don’t have one for tomorrow 😦 Any offers 😉

  176. BTW Terry,

    We need to identify each other dont we.

    I think strappin on the big boobies will work OK, but quite a lot of the other Aa ers do that as well. What we need to do roll up one trouswr leg above the knee — an if you draw a big black arrow on your baldy bonce pointing down like so I’d no you were under it woulden i.

    just give me one smiley for yes and 2 for can’t wait !

  177. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    I hope my ghost writer is not charging me at accountant rates, I`ll never get back to London !

  178. RockyLives says:

    If he’s a ghost writer I shouldn’t worry GLIC – you don’t have to pay your bills to dead people.

  179. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Rocky, I could get grabbed by the Ghoullies ! 😥

  180. Herb'sArmy says:

    Thanks for the reply GiE.
    I’ve had many lean trophy-less years supporting Arsenal, so I don’t feel ‘spoilt’. It burns inside me that having such a long unbroken run in our top division, certain clubs have been allowed to become bigger than us. And our European record is abysmal.
    It’s not about winning 5-0 every week, GiE, as well you know.
    Arsene Wenger isn’t the problem at Arsenal, though many of his faults have damaged us. It is bigger. It starts with Stan Kroenke and Ivan Gazidis.
    Gazidis has set the tone of the club by removing the pressure to succeed and any accountability for results on the pitch.
    As statements of intents go, saying we will survive without CL qualification (or words similar to that effect), is an instant down-grade on expectations, and hardly a battle-cry that gets the blood stirring. It is a weak, timid thing to say to Arsenal fans, and not something I heard from any other club’s CEO.
    That’s why we’re sitting 5th and under-performing. No-one applies any pressure. A passion-free zone.

  181. RockyLives says:

    Just don’t let them put the willies up you.

  182. Jamie says:

    The team is struggling because Sagna, Santos, Vermealen, Arteta, Wilshere and Gervinho are all out at once.

    Are goal keeper was out the night before the game for a second away game on the spin.

    The two centre backs were good, RVP played ok and the rest of the side were a disgrace.

    Ramsey was awful, he barely found a red shirt all game, I think he could be a player but this is killing him.

    Song was off yesterday and when Song is off, we have problems.

    We had six days to prepare for that and it was tacticly inept for at least the sixth time this season.

    To much deadwood in the second eleven.


    This is confusing the crap out of me, ime gona take one of my pills and enjoy the view at number 57, were ive just spotted the red light come on. hehehehe.

  184. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Having no physical form, I wont know if their coming or going !. Think I`ll sleep with the light on tonight !.

  185. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Number 57, Is that the one with the naked man ! 😆


    Should sort my Villa ticket tommorow, so will let you know Cornwall.

    Number 57 is one of my favourites. hehehehe.

  187. Terry you evil bastard – thats my place – and thats my telescope you can see – if it is the telescope you are looking at?

    Those women, if you can see em behind my telethingy, have nothing to do with me – i was minding me own business when in they walked in dont tell the Mrs GLIC.

  188. Hahahah, GLIC,

    Dont take any notice of Rocky – them ghosts charge you the earth – an he is much funnier than you, so he must come for devon !

  189. Gooner In Exile says:

    Herb it depends if you think teams, managers and players respond well to pressure.

    When Gazidis was asked that question we had suffered our worse start to the PL under Wenger and possibly for some time before that (altho league tables were not even looked at until 6 or 7 games in when I first started paying attention to results 🙂 ). A lot of journalists were piling on the pressure and hoping to invoke the first managerial casualty of the year. Gazidis stood by his man and tried to relieve the pressure by saying failure to qualify would not hurt us financially, he probably said a number of other things about Wenger but that quite has survived any others because it is “evidence” of the lack of ambition.

    The common opinion is Kroenke and Gazidis are in the business of making money, well a team out of the Champions League is not one that makes as much money as a team in it.

    Hence the opening of purse strings at the end of August.

    It all comes down to whether we think Wenger won’t invest in the team or is not allowed to. ‘Arry is used as a comparison with one part good season where it seems they might challenge for the title. It should be noted that they have the services of a striker they have no chance of buying or paying the wages of….who Phil Neville described as the difference between Spurs this season and last.

  190. Gooner In Exile says:

    “out the night before the game?”

    Is this supposition based on his performance or do other people know better. I’d have assumed they were all wrapped up in the team hotel on match night.

  191. REDARSE says:

    Now listen glic ,from a alternate universe, you will be confusing our Merry T, He has just taken the wrong pills and has an oxymoron rock hard semi . He`s neighbour has just popped over from number 57, and is going to give him a good going over with a brush, yes he`s going to get Cillet Banged , which could be a problem, as he has been tied up with number 69 , know wonder they call it, Bound and Gagged Green !

  192. Irishgunner says:

    Evening all,

    It seems a lot of our loanees are getting into trouble – Wellington Silva, Bendtner, Botelho…

  193. REDARSE says:

    “A cant count”, an anagram of accountant , that means me and merry t and others are oxymorons, i suppose it`s better than the alternative, “C**t on a cat”. 😦

  194. REDARSE says:

    Oh, and ” contact anus”, if you`ld like to speak to us ! 🙂

  195. Look here GLIC and you too Terry Man, I am going to have to take you both in hand if you behave!

  196. Correction: don’t —- don’t behave!

  197. Correction: Correction: I did not mean ‘don’t behave’ — I meant “if” you don’t behave, I will take you in hand.

    Oh sod it!

  198. Irishgunner says:

    Are you drinking Peaches? 😆

  199. RockyLives says:

    Don’t be silly – you don’t drink peaches, you eat them…

  200. Please Miss, I am cleverer than GLIC — these ain’t bad are they?

    When you rearrange the letters:

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    When you rearrange the letters:

    See when I re-arranged them words the new ones say the same thing – just different like!

  201. Irishgunner says:

    😆 😆 😆 RL

  202. Oy someone is being very naughty and I have all the power 😆 😆 😆

    glic – you should be putting your writing skills to work for a post for tomorrow not impersonating me

  203. pseudonym gooner says:

    I`m pseudonym gooner !

  204. Quite right RL ……. only they havn’t met me 🙂



    tHAT GLIC is shockin Miss taking your name and all. Well not Seudonym thingy – that’s me – but you know, Peach.

  206. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    It wasn`t me, Peaches ! and you know , cos you have the power, power to the peaches! 🙂

  207. BUT, I HAVE met you, Rocky, big boy!!! 😉

  208. Irishgunner says:

    I feel like I should be drinking instead of eating ice-cream 😆 but the ice-cream is good!

    How do I not weigh 20 tonne :-/ I fear for myself once I master this driving thingy

  209. RockyLives says:

    I am really, really sorry for being so naughty, guys.
    And Peaches.
    And especially to poor RA who is innocent and has been gravely maligned — and should be kissed better!! Tho’ not by me – obviously!!

  210. pseudonyms anagram says:

    I`m Demon pussy gooner !

  211. Irishgunner says:

    Sébastien Squillaci to join Monaco!

    According to Twitter

  212. Terry`s throbbin telescope says:

    Redders, shall be kissed by the man from number 57 !

  213. Irishgunner says:

    “big boy” – I sense this child needs to leave the adult environment

  214. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    The “Cuckoo Club” just went into meltdown !. I blame the Queen for being away !. 😯

  215. Apologies glic, I know it’s not you and I do know who it is and I’m surprised at that person because they are a valued member of this blog 😦

  216. Irish,

    The Rocky comment at 8:07 was not Rocky, of course.

    His part was played by me — GLIC played himself, all other parts were the fault of TerryM — who was the evil mastermind.

    I will remove myself, at once.

  217. Irishgunner says:

    I’m so confused 😆

  218. If you’re bored Red Arse and don’t like the discussion then bloody well write a post.

  219. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    AA would like to say , no anagrams were hurt in the making of these comments !

  220. Red Arse says:


    Apologies for any offence caused– that was not intended.

    It just seemed to be a bit of fun, and not much else was happening.

  221. Herb'sArmy says:

    agreed, Adebayor’s loan to Tottenham is all wrong, and stricter regulations should be put in place. It is a blatant form of cheating.
    If we had the squad space and made the right offer, I reckon Tevez would come to The Emirates.

  222. No offence caused RA, it’s just confusing for people popping in if they don’t know who they’re talking to.

    Irish has probably helped herself to another bowl of ice-cream in her confusion 😉

  223. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    I`ve not been on here long enough to have read a RedArse post, did anyone understand his posts ?. Still ,I bet they were something else !. 🙂
    I shall look in the archives one day !

  224. Hi Herb – it’s ridiculous that loan players can’t play against their parent club but they always play against their competition and can help to take points of anyone. Someone said earlier that the fairer thing would be for premiership players not to be loaned to premiership clubs ……. what do you think of that idea?

  225. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    I was also confused, and still am, who am I, at one point ,I thought I was REDARSE !. As confused as I am , I do love redders stuff ! 🙂

  226. Irishgunner says:

    Its good ice-cream Peaches, it’s good ice-cream.

    Tesco own brand mint chocolate >>>>>>>>>>>> anything else

  227. evonne says:

    The Cuckoo queen is not away, she is dead, died last night of a broken heart 😦
    If nobody wants to write a post for tomorrow, perhaps someone will write an obituary for me?

    I was soooooo hoping that Shitty will cheer me up tonight, fat chance, they are winning 😦

  228. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    If I was Man City ( I Know I cant be the whole club as I`m only one person ), I would bring back Adepaymore, how studid is it to loan out a player to a title contender, they will look even more stupid if God forbid , the Spuds win the league !
    Do you get Kelly`s cornish ice cream over there, the one with Honeycomb and made with clotted cream ? mmmm yummy

  229. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi Peaches,
    I am in complete agreement with you. Both City and Tottenham are cheating the other 18 clubs in the PL.
    If PL clubs want to send players out on loan, The Championship is sufficient quality for them to learn their trade. Or even the SPL. Kyle Bartley seems to be enjoying his time with Rangers.

  230. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Hello your Maj`, sorry for your heart break, I suppose the only consolation with a City win is, it takes it further away from Rottenscum Shitspuds. Get well soon , your Maj`. 🙂

  231. Irishgunner says:

    Can’t say I’ve seen it GLIC must look out for it

  232. Red Arse says:


    She was born
    She supported Arsenal
    She was the Cuckoo Queen
    She was much loved by AA’ers (especially by those who wanted tea and her parking space).
    She died of a broken heart on Monday
    She’s back, again, today – and won’t lay down.


  233. evonne says:

    Red Arse!!! – you not being serious!! I died on Sunday at 6pm

  234. Red Arse says:

    Yikes — she is back to haunt me!!

  235. evonne says:

    yes, i need someone to take out my frustration on, like a human punchbag

  236. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    I`ve got a women hitler, you can use e va va vonne !

  237. SharkeySure says:

    Very good write up Rocky

    Arteta was a massive miss yesterday. Other than that we were undone by a few mistakes, but having said that its as easy to say that Swansea forced those errors.

    I’ve only scanned the comments, but saw mention of Ramsey being ‘involved’ in all 3 Swansea goals. Thats pretty incredible.

    I trust their error of judgement has been explained to them hopefully with Chas’ chalkboards and videos.

    My own take on Ramsey is that I’ll never tear into a player for trying too hard. Benayoun to replace Arteta was a very odd call from Arsene when he’s got Tomas fit and ready. Benny has talent no doubt, but he’s a completely forward looking player, we needed someone prepared to keep the ball for keeping its sake – a pass and move, give it and get it back specialist.

    Oh well..its gone now.

    Does Arshavin really get another start this weekend..??

  238. Gooner In Exile says:

    On the loan system I would say it has been beneficial to us, first Jack on loan to Bolton and now Frimpong on loan to Wolves will learn a lot and play regularly.

    It benefitted Welbeck, United and Sunderland last year, and also Sturridge, Chelsea and Bolton.

    Perhaps the muddying of waters comes when players not from the youth setup are loaned and also that they are not allowed to play against their parent club, altho in a youngsters case I kind of understand it, what would be going through Welbecks mind if he had a penalty to take to beat United whilst at Sunderland.

    If loans are to be allowed perhaps it needs to be simply those homegrown (under PL rules) by the club and under the age of 22. Still not allowed to play against their parent club for the reasons I highlighted above.

  239. Gooner In Exile says:

    Or if it’s established players the loanee club must pay 100% of wages otherwise FFP will become a mockery. Say one of the oily sheikhs buys Blackburn and signs the players on massive wages and then loans them to Shitty at 10% of the wages.

  240. SharkeySure says:

    Herb – “If we had the squad space and made the right offer, I reckon Tevez would come to The Emirates.”

    If there was any chance of an agreement to get him in…finding a squad space would be the least of our worries. I’d happily see either of Park or Chamakh (maybe even both??) and one or two others demoted to ‘non playing staff’ to gain a space. Yeah you’d prefer to sell them…but hey, life’s hard sometimes

    I actually like Chamakh. I haven’t forgotten how well he started for us, and I can also see that he is now trying harder.

    I still don’t really want to see him in an Arsenal shirt again though.

    Park looked petrified in his last outing, and I’d rather see his ‘chances’ given to a youngster who gets out there with two large helpings of ‘hunger’ and ‘menace’.

    I’ll get mi coat…

    Night all

  241. SharkeySure says:

    On the loan issue…no loans in the same division.

    Whilst I agree that 100 of wages should be paid, its just patetly unfairthat AdeNuff can score goals for Tottenham, and against everyone else bar Citeh.

    Ps GIE. Do you think Welbeck/Sturridge would have been allowed anywhere a pen against his parent club

  242. SharkeySure says:

    E-va-va-vonne…get yourself an ad online.

    “Woman seeks man to act as human punchbag”

    For clarities sake you might want to add – ‘this is not a sexual service – man must remain fully clothed’ …just so that Terry and that Award Winner from Cornwall don’t get the wrong idea !

    Right def going, before the Flaxen Haired Warrior Princess returns

  243. Still need a post for tomorrow people …………

  244. Hi sharkey, bye sharkey

  245. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi Sharkey,
    the whole place needs a lift, or electric shock treatment. A signing on the scale of a ‘Tevez’ would definitely do that.

  246. TotalArsenal says:

    Peachy, I am working on something at the moment. Don’t worry it is not agressive: in fact, it is sweeter than a McDonalds strawberry milkshake 🙂

  247. Sounds delish TA, I’ll leave you to it and go to bed then 🙂

  248. Puri says:

    Great Blog. I always enjoy yours. Everyone. For the preview of the upcoming Arsenal vs Manchester United game, do read my blog-


  249. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Morning all,
    I have just read through Rocky’s courageous post again and on the second reading I actually find it very alarming. The amount of low scores he has dished out (and I totally agree) is really worrying.
    Ultimately, I aways blame the guy at the top, so I do wish Stan would step in and tell Gazidis to belt up about CL qualification not being imperative and for Arsene to stop whinging about penalties and pitches and also get some proper shoes on 🙂
    I am sure some touchy feelies might think we must not put too much pressure on our poor dear’s (and I refer to management not just players) but they are paid to do a job. A little Arsenal DNA needs to be on display.

  250. Gooner In Exile says:

    Time for a huge guess.

    Jack Wilshere will be available after Feb 13th.

    A reserves game played behind closed doors v Wolverhampton on that date. Behind closed doors friendlies are often used for players returning from long term injury. Especially ones as important as Jack.

  251. Gooner In Exile says:

    Oh Micky very unlike you to swallow the media one liners:

    “At our level that is frustrating and not good enough. It is down to a lack of composure and the right decision-making.”

    “That’s now twice — at Swansea and at Fulham — where we have given the game away.”

    He is admitting our mistakes, he questioned the penalty but he didn’t blame the defeat on it.

  252. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Sounds good. Could be a whole army of players, not just Jack!

  253. kelsey says:

    Here’s an interesting fact and good morning

    Leon Britten and Joe Allen are first and seventh respectively for the most completed passes not only in the PL but in the whole of Europe, this season.

    When Arsenal had their invinsible year Swansea where third in the the lowest division of the Football league.

  254. MickyDidIt89 says:

    My point really is that we need to close ranks a bit. Seeing Arsene sitting on his own just looked so fragmented to me.

  255. kelsey says:

    I love a good conspiracy theory and after reading the very good blog Goonerholic I agree with the author, who is privy to inside info. Do you want to know what it is ?

  256. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Spill the beans Kelsey, I’m bored 🙂
    Who’s Goonerholic?

  257. evonne says:

    Kelsey – NO, we don’t, you tease

  258. kelsey says:

    Who’s Goonerholic….Mickey, really.

    Fine evonne i will go and celebrate my birthday without you 😉

  259. evonne says:

    GiE – i am with LB on the latest defeat – I don’t care how well Swansea played, they are only Swansea and we have too much class, talent and character to lose. The team didn’t play, I was in tears watching them in complete disarray. When TH and TR came on they calmed the situation aimmediately, but not for long. It was a shocker. And Szczesny was piss poor. You know I don’t like him and he is proving me right.

  260. evonne says:

    Hey, happy Birthday Kelsey boy!! Many happy clappy returns kiss kiss xxx

  261. kelsey says:

    Actually I share it with Mohammed Ali, Vidal Sasoon (he’s a hairdresser Micky),Paul Young and the late Al Capone. 🙂

  262. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Happy Birthday Kelsey.
    Any treats planned that you can share with us?

  263. Oooh kelsey, you’re such tease, is it because it’s your birthday 🙂

  264. evonne says:

    Warsaw was ‘liberated’ on 17th Jan, big day for my town. My and Szczesny’s, dickhead

  265. Happy Birthday xx

  266. evonne – nice to see you back 😉 Do you really rate Fabianski more than Chesney?

  267. MickyDidIt89 says:

    You are not alone. I can cope with losing but excuses I can’t stand. Let’s not talk too much about injuries and the bloody “we’re in transition” makes my blood boil. I have not come over all doom, as we are signing at at least one very good player and we most definately can make top four but by christ we have a fight on our hands and that requires leadership and togetherness.

  268. Puri says:

    Great Blog. always enjoy yours. Everyone. For the preview of the upcoming Arsenal vs Manchester United game, do read my blog-


  269. evonne says:

    Peaches – no, Fabianski has lost his confidence and personally I doubt he will recover, not at Arsenal anyway.
    But Szczesny is too cocky, he needs to be confident and that’s fine, but he is flippant, which I don’t like. Rocky was right about Szczesny yesterday, World’s No 1 he ain’t.

  270. evonne says:

    Sorry Puri, but we have our own prematch King and his previews to look forward to. Plus, ‘we’ are in a bad mood.

  271. New Post …………………..

  272. Micky says:

    Great Blog. Every product I have ever created is the best in the world ever by miles, so go out and buy them now.

  273. evonne says:

    Honestly Micky, I have actually tried that address, doooogh, what an idiot I am 🙂

  274. Puri says:

    For the review of the season thus far:


    Cheers 🙂

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