It’s been a tumultuous 24 hours in North London and it could become crazier yet.
The Tiny Totts sacked the most effective manager they’ve had for years and appointed a man who is to harmony what Harry Redknapp is to accounting.
Pochettino out at N17. Mourinho in. What next?
Well, it is already being suggested that Arsenal could be looking at Poch as a potential replacement for the struggling Emery.
If that were to happen it would be the most seismic move across North London since Sol Campbell left the swamp and joined the good guys (before going on to win trophies galore).
So here’s a question:
Regardless of whether or not you think Emery should be given the heave-ho (we’ve had that debate plenty of times), would you be happy with sloppy seconds from the Spuds as our new man?
Could Poch get more out of our squad than Emery?
Could we tolerate an ex Totteringham manager in the dugout at the Ems (we haven’t had one of those since Terry Neill in the mid ’70s)?
And what do you think about Maureen taking over at the Toilet Bowl? I have mixed feelings. His track record is usually to achieve success for a short period before causing the whole thing to blow up in acrimony and recrimination.
So don’t be surprised if the Totts do well for the rest of this season.
Over to you…
Thanks Rocky, can I just bring my comment about Mourinho over from the previous post. I must be the most caught out by the Peaches “new post” guillotine ever
Maureen will do a (in recent years) typical Maureen and demand huge transfer fees, throw his toys out of the pram when he doesn’t get them, upset and alienate key players left right and centre, and eventually engineer his exit from the club at huge cost leaving said club with a big mess to sort out.
He has reflected on recent tenures and mistakes made and will come in a rejuvenated Maureen more akin to his Porto and early Chelsea stints, but bring all that organisation and knowledge and winning mentality to our bitterest rivals.
It seems everyone is banking on view 1, and I must be the only one that is highly uneasy about this. Although I didn’t fancy him at Arsenal myself I really didn’t want him at the Spuds either. Whatever we think about him and his recent less successful stints, he still has a track record that could see him elevate our bitter rivals from down the road to another level, a trophy winning level.
At the same time where are we really heading at the moment? That little shot in the arm and renewed hope with our summer transfer dealings seems to have dropped like Harry Kane in the penalty box. We have a manager who is almost 80 games in charge now and what progress have we seen in our playing style and performances.
The stats with shots on goal and shots on target is appalling for a manager almost 80 games in charge.
It seems that things weren’t right behind the scenes with Poccetinho and the relationship with the players had been strained. Over here we haven’t seen progress after almost 80 games in charge with this extra, somewhat mythical, more time being touted as all that is required. Rumours of rifts with players and with key players refusing to sign contract extensions at present. How stable do we look right now?
If we stick as we are which manager and which club do we really think will be looking stronger as this season progresses? I really hope you guys are right and that it will end up another Mourinho car crash, but I just have a horrible gut feeling this could be wishful thinking and it will go the other way.
Oh and by the way sorry for being rather negative about it 🙂
Rocky, under normal circumstances I would have gone for Poccetinho, but I am not sure this is the right moment for him and us. He looks like he needs to step back for a bit and recharge his batteries rather than stepping straight back in just down the road, and think there are better potential options for us right now. I wouldn’t totally rule it out as viable though.
One thing I my gut feeling is stronger on though is that we are currently on a road to nowhere and will continue to lose ground on other clubs, and will likely be set back significantly if we don’t make that hard decisive change imminently.
Apols GoonerB xx
I’m with GoonerB, I think that Poch needs some time out ………… maybe next summer 🙂
Sack emary bring poche in to arsenal i by musa kasimu takuti.from nigeria.
It’s strange because I am normally only concerned with what we are doing and not others. I never really take consolation in our failings because other traditional rivals are also struggling. There is a comfort in other rivals struggling with us so we don’t stand alone but the main focus should always be about our individual progression.
I always tend to feel these are the times we should be pushing on and seize the moment to push ahead of struggling rivals, not just accept our own failings as being ok(ish) because others are doing the same. What others are doing or not doing shouldn’t alter what we should be doing.
On the flip side I should then also not be concerned about how it affects us if other clubs are making changes. However, hypocritically in this case, this one has made me acutely more concerned about where we are going and accelerated my thought process on us needing to make the changes ourselves. It shouldn’t have but it has. Maybe it is a bit knee jerk or due to an irrational fear but I can’t shake the feeling that we will soon be the big club standing alone as a struggler.
I can’t help shake the feeling that Utd will soon turn things in the right direction in the next season or 2, and more worryingly that Spuds will start to thrive under Mourinho and that we will be left floundering behind City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spuds, Utd and now even Leicester. As I say it shouldn’t alter our thinking but this Spurs change worries me and has resulted in me wanting that change ourselves straight away.
I broadly agree with your assessment. I think Maureen’s tenure at Shite Hart Lane will be a mix of your View 1 and View 2. I could see him having a good year or two before it starts to go wrong.
Let’s not forget that even though his time at ManUre is generally seen as a failure, he managed to steer them to two trophies – the League Cup and the Europa League – in three years. The Totts would bite your arm off that kind of ‘failure’.
I honestly can’t see Pochettino coming to us! Not with his past… It’d be like Arsene going to them (yes I know that won’t happen!)
If results went our way, all would be fine, but if we started losing and even lost the NLD.. oh imagine the uproar!! No, not for me.. it wouldn’t work. He’s a great manager (has a capitulation in him though 😉) just not for the Arsenal!
I bet the Saints would have him back!!
The thought of Maureen winning something with the spuds makes me feel rather nauseous!! Yes, he is successful wherever he goes, but it doesn’t take long for it all to go Pete Tong. I do think it’s been ruthless of the spuds though… they’ve not had a great season, but are looking to put that right. I am hoping Raul and co have something planned… as if we lose our next few games…….. sheesh 🙄 god help us!!
The Poll results are pretty emphatic so far…
I think that Pochettino once said he could never do the Barcelona job as an ex-Espanyol player and likewise he could never manage Arsenal as an ex-Spurs man.
As for Tottenham, Mourinho is walking into a good squad of players so short term they’ll be a strong bet for top four and maybe a good bet for the FACup.
I don’t understand why people have put a time frame on the question, it simply says: Is Pooch a good move for Arsenal?
Maybe I have misunderstood and those are saying: yes, but not now which is fair enough.
I voted yes because I think he is good at what he does and it would really mess with their heads in N17 which always gives me great satisfaction.
There is one concern about the Mourinho signing as GB points out above: he was desperate for that job as all other possible avenues have closed.
He needs to prove something again rather than at Manu where seemed to think it was enough to cockily stroll in flashing his palmares.
Mourinho has had such a large budget to work with for so long it should be interesting to see if he actually still knows how to get something out of a team we may even get the answer to the question: did he ever?
Morning all. Sorry for the hiatus but work has been brutal and I had nothing positive to add so I thought being quiet was the best solution !! So Poch got fired – he didn’t leave for a rival. I think that excludes the loyalty aspect. As far as would he do better than Emery? Absolutely. He has made mediocre players good and good players better at both Spuds and Soton.
My take is simple. We missed out on Pep and later Klopp, both of whom any Arsenal fan would have to admit they would have loved to had replace Arsene, because it wasn’t the “right time”. And I actually agree, Arsene wasn’t quite finished and I for one still believed in him at the time. There’s no doubt we would have been better served to make the change at the time – with hindsight.
So the question is, do we let a proven manager, who, without the burden of the worst chairman in the PL (probably in world football) would undoubtedly do great things for us, slip by because it’s “not the right time” or do we do what businesses do all the time and hire an upgrade because he’s now available.
If the Kroenke’s are serious about Arsenal, they need to do this now, otherwise he’ll be at manure by March and we’ll be kicking ourselves again.
Mourinho to Spurs is only exciting because it will spice the North London Derby. Otherwise, it s bad news. Tottenham has a very good squad that has Mourinho type of players. By Jan, they ll be hard to beat
Gooner B, I absolutely agree that there’s a possibility of View 2. However you may not have factored in the Daniel Levy effect. This guy is the WORST!!! He has hired and fired 13 managers since 1997. Now, he finds a gem, builds a 1bn pound stadium 400M over budget and a year late, still gets to the C/L final and finishes top 4 for the last 5 years, gives him basically no money (because there isn’t any now !!!) then fires him? I guarantee you Poch got fed up with Levy and his ridiculous demands. Nothing is good enough for this guy and when his managers inevitably fail to his unreasonable and delusional demands, he fires the,
Mourinho will be no different. Especially with the stadium debt around his neck. I want to see what happens when the NFL has a game there 3 days before a C/L tie and the re-laid pitch cuts up and Spuds go down in flames !!!! Wonder how Mourinho will react? If he’s still around.
Spuds need to play the numbers game, yes Maureen likes to win things but my guess is his only task is to keep Spuds in top 4, that is probably something that appeals to him as his last few jobs have all been titles or nothing. While the Spuds fan base may want titles Levy knows the club is in the same position as we were following our move top 4 guarantees finances to stay in top 4 and pay for stadium.
Now on to us and Poch, he knows the EPL, we have seen him achieve a great deal with an average bunch through both work ethic but attacking football, even if there is sometimes a tad too much of the dark arts.
Can we get him? Well if it’s being considered we should have the chat now, he would have more financial firepower with us than he was allowed at Spuds, but would he work under a DoF?
No thanks about poch, do not want another retread. Need someone at the Arsenal level, don’t know if we will spend enough to get someone cutting edge though.
From another site spuds data by “C”
They have spent money, $347 million since 16/17 and sold walker to $h+tTy for $60 million.
The have done a bit of business. They also have assets that can be sold in Kane, Alli and Son. Maybe too late for Erikson etc..
moaninho will have players to get points, that is what he does and well.
Do not want that guy here either. Dry rot he is.
Yet, here we are in relegation form in mind and spirit.
If the Arsenal lose more ground over December I hope our board has the courage to do anything, yet I have my doubts!
Question is Aaron who? Spuds got Poch from Saints, they’d had a couple of good seasons, no trophies but signs of a good manager getting decent return from the squad in one and a half seasons.
So in that light and bearing in mind where we currently are does anyone think Nuno Santo would be a good choice for Arsenal?
Why Poch? A coach who after 3 teams has won 0.
The question is would the Spuds have won a trophy with another Coach probably yes. Mourinho probaly went in and said how the F did you not win a single thing in the last 3 years with the team you have.
And this poll is saying we want a Poch who doesnt know how to win trophies. What has happened to Arsenal?
My personal fave is that we go after Benitez.He knows how to win trophies, he knows how to build up teams to do so and he knows how to win over the fans and get them to get behind the team.
Alternatively their is an amazing world class coach over at Arsenal Womens that has the Arsenal winning DNA.
Benitez! Well that is out of left field.
I still hope Patrick Vieira as wenger replacement. But alas
Bytheway i have compile some of his statement over the year in https://oldneg.com/patrick-vieira.html
Hopefully you have the time to read it. Its just list of his opinions.
That was a fun 24 hours 😁
Do I have any volunteers for writing pre-match posts for the coming week please?
Southampton – Saturday
Frankfurt – Thursday
I ll take care of Frankfurt Peaches 🙂
As for Pochetinno, I am not sure if I would like to have him now at AFC. I think we need someone with greater experience with winning trophies. That is why and despite all of his flaws, I would not have been 100% against Mourinho joining us and trust me, I am not a fan of his but I think he would have made us harder to beat…
The Emery experience is not going well at the moment and the difference between big clubs (Bayern), wanna be big clubds (Tottenham) and ourselves is that their board takes decision before the club hits what they consider a crisis, which is basically not winning for a few games or not playing a certain type of football…
I saw Holding’s interview and he says we re not in a crisis but for me, we are in a crisis. We are almost out of the race for Top 4 and we are in danger of not evening finishing in the top 6 so I dont know what Holding is talking about. We are not even playing good football or not even playing football that makes us harder to beat so in my books, the red flags are out…I am hoping that we hit good form as of this weekend but I am not too hopeful. Emery has some easy games lined up, which he did also in the last 6 weeks. and if AFC does not take a lot of points during this period, I think the board will have no choice but to sack him…and now the only sound option on paper that is available would be Allegri although I would rather go for Ancelotti.
Emery wants to connect with the fans at home. He needs a strong performance defensively, good football and goal goals. He also needs exciting players on the pitch so… He gotta play Martinelli, Auba, Chambers, Bellerin and Tierney then and also Ozil or Ceba, no? These are the guys that kindda got us excited this year so far
Auba to leave at the end of the season if no trophy is won by then. Barcelona and Juve interested.
What a load of tosh that not winning a trophy would be the real reason that he would leave.
If he leaves it will because he wants the experience of playing for one of the two you mention and they will pay him a lot more money.
But wait if we win the FA cup he will stay……..see what I mean?
LB – I think he would stay if we win the FA Cup or the Europa League.
He wont get more money in Spain than he does in England. Plus if he goes to Barcelona, the front 3 is already there. He will be competing with Suarez, Griezzman for a spot next to Messi not to mention Dembele and the upcoming Ansu…The only think that would set them apart is their ability to win trophies regularly.
As for Mourinho first line-up, it could well be:
Gazza – Foyth, Alwedereid, Sanchez, Davies – Ndombele, Dier, Eriksen – Moura, Son – Kane
2 questions marks:
– Left Back could well be Rose
– Holding Midfielder could well be Winks
– Right winger could well be Lamela or even Alli
In any case, I think Lo Celso will struggle under Mourinho.
So do you think that it would be more accurate for whoever reported that story to have said that Barca are interested in Auba but he will more than likely spend most of his time on the bench?
I actually think he is quite likely to go as the club will want to try and recoup something before he joins the ranks of those who are simply running down their contracts and trousering as much in wages as they can.
LB – yes 🙂
Apparently Napoli and AC Milan will offer a 18-months deal to Arsenal for L.Torreira…They should make the same offer for Xhaka 😛
What do you mean RC — a loan for 18 months?
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