Our first game against Liverpool (October 28, 1893) was a Division 2 home game at Manor Road before 7,000 fans – they gave us a rude awakening and beat us 0-5.
The Arsenal team on the day –
1 Billy McOwen, 2 Andrew Hannah (c), 3 Duncan McLean, 4 John McCartney, 5 Douglas Dick, 6 Jim McBride, 7 Matt McQueen, 8 Malcolm McVean, 9 Harry Bradshaw, 10 Jimmy Stott, 11 Hugh McQueen.
Game Notes – Harry Bradshaw makes his LFC debut – Douglas Dick makes his LFC debut – Liverpool league position after match: 1st – Woolwich Arsenal league position after match: 13th
– The Liverpool Echo report is rather vague on the scorers of the 1st and 3rd goal, but Lloyds Weekly Newspaper and Yorkshire Herald both credit those goals to McCartney (1st) and Hugh McQueen (3rd). Later statisticians credit the 1st to McLean but Echo clearly says he should be credited with an assist. The fourth goal has also been credited by them to Bradshaw but Echo says he “headed well in from a long kick from his defence,”, but McQueen had the pleasure of putting on a fourth so clearly McQueen the scorer.
– The Pall Mall Gazette wasn’t impressed with the referee, reporting on 30th October : “The referee was the same gentleman who ordered two players off the field in the Arsenal v Walsall match. Many people considered that he acted in an extremely harsh fashion on that occasion. On Saturday he went to the other extreme and was too lenient. Hence the rough play.”
So AAer’s it’s now a proven fact that we have always been the victims of poor refereeing – how many other teams have suffered for 125 years?
Notable home fixtures
1st September 1934 – Arsenal 8 Liverpool 1
This was the season Arsenal claimed our 4th title in 5 years and the third on the bounce. Ray Bowden and Ted Drake scored hattricks as Arsenal sent the Scousers back up to the North West with their tails between their legs. Still annoyed about losing the clean sheet though. 🙂
4th April 1953 – Arsenal 5 Liverpool 3
Another title-winning season, Arsenal had already won 5-1 at Anfield before this entertaining victory became part of a run of 5 straight wins that eventually proved vital.
9th April 2004 – Arsenal 4 Liverpool 2
Perhaps the most famous of recent victories, Arsenal came back from being behind twice to hold on to our unbeaten status thanks to a rampant Thierry Henry.
4th April 2015 – Arsenal 4 Liverpool 1
Our biggest win of the last decade back when Liverpool were a Europa team along with the spuds. A left footed curler from Hector, a superb free kick from Mesut and an edge of the area banger from Sanchez, all in the first half, decided the result.
Our games against Liverpool have always been difficult with our last home win being on April 4th 2015 – I expect a fired up Arsenal team and hope we get a result for us fans and the new boss.
Arsenal the Eleanor Rigby of European Cup competitions
Only Once to the Alter and Jilted
Paul . Welcome we love a bit of banter and you are right, we feel jilted.
But let’s look at your trophy cabinet since that ridiculously lucky night 13 years ago.
Oh … If I look carefully I can see a Carabao in 2012 and a FA Cup 12 years ago. Apart from that – Zip. Just broken dreams.
GN5. Thank you.
I love the Dipper games, they are such a glamorous team and if I hadn’t been blessed to be a Gooner, I may well be a Dipper.
And who cannot love Klopp?
Apologies about the original title attracting negative comments from scousers (who would ever believe that they might be offended by something!).
I remembered you had Liverpool connections, so might not appreciate the ‘dippers’ crack.
Is mickey mousers offensive? Nah.
Morning all and thanks GN5.
Morning Bumpydogo, I’m sure this is your year!
With a family( needless to say on the wife’s side) of Dippers happy to warn of impending doom, I look forward to the chance of walking smugly out of the Emirates tomorrow, feeling able to ignore all family contacts.
Look – if we get a draw, I will be happy. The idea is to contain Liverpool – remember that Emery beat Klopp in the final of the Europea League in 2016.
Now – how to stop Liverpool from scoring:
– avoid stupid mistakes;
– play the ball long wehenver needed to beat the press;
– cut transmissions to wings and front players
– be good on set pieces
Here is my line up: 5,3,2
Lichten – Mustafi, Sok, Holding – Monreal (I hope otherwise Xhaka)
——Ramsey, LT, Guendouzi————-
We can then contain their fire-power while keeping our speed threat with Auba up front
Greart post as always
For your info – Zielinski from Napoli also on E,ery s radar to replace Ramsey
I don’t think we need to replace Ramsey. We have youngsters who can do his job.
As of next season it will be Douzi, Terrier and AMN/Xhaka/Smith Rowe/Iwobi
BR – I think we need one in mid in any case 🙂 LT needs more support in defensive duties. I gave my 3 preferred realistic options…let us see
Now againt Liverpool, our players better run and defend as a unit otherwise, I expect a proper beating 😦
Now we have a game that we can get excited about, like Raddy Liverpool have always been my 2nd team, I’ve always loved their all out attacking style.
You are right Chas my wife is from Liverpool and therefore all of my in laws are either Everton or Liverpool fans. Watching two games at Anfield was really special and it showed me how “super” fans support their team, when you are in ground the “Liverpool Anthem” is just spine tingling.
I remember saying to my brother in law how envious I was of the manner in which they supported their team and wished our home fans displayed the same sheer joy of just being at the game.
RC78 if we have another sloppy 1st half Liverpool will cut us to pieces and leave no chance for 2nd half heroics. Like all of us I would be overjoyed with a win but I really fear the worst.
GN5 – we need a first to last minute performance. Napoli and PSG gave some ideas on how to do it. We need Auba to be in top form but also our FBs.
RC78, this really is a bell weather game where we will find out what the team is made of and how far the individual players (and team) have progressed under Emery.
Ouzi suspended, and you are really going to play Lino!!?
Ouzi suspended then that it means Xhaka or AMN
RC. You may be right.
I can see Kolasinac leaving in summer alongside Welbz and Ramsey. This will open up a place for a left sided defensive MF and another top LB, but I don’t see us signing another attacking midfielder in the Ramsey mould.
There must be a very good reason why UE does not want Ramsey.
Perhaps he is too undisciplined.
Perhaps also the whole withdrawal of the contract was a bargaining ploy to get him to modify his wage demands.
When he sees what the times out there are prepared to pay him, things might be different.
£300k/ week for Sterling is madness.
Arsenal will be fortunate to get a draw. Have said it before so many times, if the Arsenal do not have a solid back 3 or 4 playing together for at least 5-10 games straight, forget about it. Our back line is taped and glued together right now, and that needs to be fixed at the January window, at least for back ups. Monreal can’t play all the games, Sead has been hurt more than he has played-sound familiar, and Mav has a serious injury he has not been seen for months, Bel and Sok will not be 100% fit. This is a recipe for disaster.
I would be more optimistic if Guen was playing and AMN at left back, but that is not happening. Would be tempted to play Cech in this game, or Leno will need to play a sweeper keeper line over the 18 yard box, and he still may be picking the ball out of the net many times.
Emery will be hoping to play, Bel, Mustafi, Holding and AMN or it will be lights out. The Arsenal will not be able to play it out the back with Xhaka at left back and Lich at right…
But, onward and upward.
If you had 300k a week at your disposal who would you prefer to spend it on: Sterling or Ramsey?
Liverpool do not have that much of a aerial threat so Leno would be my choice as he is better on the ground (just)
But, against Manu now that should be Cech all day long. Torriera’s obvious weakness will be exposed and Fellani will take advantage of it.
Neither, spend that money on 4 quality defensive players.
They are out there.
May 26, 1989 deserves a mention 🙂
ps I know it was an away fixture, but surely worth shoehorning in
Happily, I note that Chas did just that at 9:34. Excellent work
LB @ 2:58
One’s a fast attacker and the sort of player we do need
One is the sort of player we don’t need
One is 23
One is 27
Ahem….but..not an especially tricky question 🙂
Former Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner has been sentenced to 50 days in jail for assaulting a taxi driver.
The 30-year-old, who plays for Norwegian club side Rosenborg, has been sentenced at a hearing in the Danish capital and was fined £177.
His club told Danish media channel TV2 the sentence will not impact his future the club and his lawyers plan to appeal.
Bendtner was charged with beating and kicking a cab driver in Copenhagen on September 9. He admitted hitting the man but said he acted with self-defence after a quarrel over the fare.
The cab driver, whose jaw was broken, was acquitted of violence but fined £350 for using his telephone while driving and not wearing his seatbelt.
Looks like I managed to generate more controversy in one question than I have in all my posts in the last three months 🙂
The Lord is bang to rights. All Danish taxis have cameras in them, both for the passenger and the cab drivers safety.
He was drunk and violent and a complete and utter tool.
And what was the answer? Although sadly I’m not sure Aaron and I qualify as controversy. I think the locals are too sensitive for that sort of thing 😉
ps again…isn’t Sterling a Gunner?
LB. Sterling earns 5m a year less than Sanchez. Is Ramsey worth 300k a week? Is he as effective as Sterling? I think so
Should we pay him the money? No.
Emery is desperate for Arsenal to turn around their poor form against top-six clubs as he prepares to face Liverpool this weekend.
Last season, the Gunners won just once out of nine games against Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham.
Asked about improving their record, Emery, whose side won 11 games in a row before last week’s draw with Crystal Palace, said: “We want to write a new history. Our new history is with the present and also with our players and with our quality.
“I believe in our players and this project and we are starting this project very positively and in our mentality.
“We need to improve but each match gives us a lot of information on how we develop and I trust in our players.”
Arsenal are just four points behind Saturday’s opponents and leaders Manchester City.
Having replaced Arsene Wenger in the summer, the Spaniard was cautious when asked if he thought his inherited team was starting to feel like his own.
“Every day we are continuing to improve,” he added. “When I arrived this club had a lot of positive things, plus there was my personality and style.
“But we are at the beginning and we still need a lot of time. Liverpool is a big test to improve more things and we can show every supporter our mentality and performance against a very big team.
“But we are in a process. I want to make a big history.”
Agree about having speed at left and right back, and in any case, Torreira and Xhaka are better together than having the slower than M-N, Granit, at left back
It’s what Unai does ahead of the back four which will be interesting
Do the tight (dull) first 60 mins without Mesut and Pea and press the bastards until they’re all puffed out?
We do not have the defensive quality to play rope-a-dope against Man/Firmino/Salah.
We have to attack from the first whistle.
That’s that then Erik. All good players start and we line up in a conservative 2-3-5
That’s the way to do it
Late kick off. Can you remember when we last played at 3 on a Saturday?
Why oh why did we allow Santi to leave?
Another question, just to make it 3 as 2 questions leave on dis-satisfied.
Is Mustafi in or out of the Circle of Trust?
don’t know, Erik, assuming it’s fitness that is the ticket into the circle
Interesting fact given how some fear us getting done by this high scoring Klipperty side…. we’ve scored more than them 🙂
That’s a surprise
I gorra go, what time you bothering to post? 🙂
ps remember to stick up the KO time and also to remember to add in the minutes silence for victims as it’s Liverpool 🙂
okedoke, beach time. See y’all for an exciting game
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