Bonny Donny Gonny – Player Assessments

Revelations and facts

Ospina’s mother’s maiden name was Ramirez

Chambers is closer to leaving than I realised.

Mertasacker will always be an Arsenal legend.

Holding purposely had his confidence massaged in this game.

Reiss-Nelson is not as advanced as I had hoped.

Elneny should be playing in the first team more.

Wilshere is better than I had remembered. (gone next window) lol

Maitland-Niles is fast, I mean hot damn fast. This was the biggest revelation of the night. Hadn’t noticed this before.

Walcott looks like a poodle when he jogs back after an attack.

Giroud is surprisingly happy playing his bit part role.

Sanchez is the greediest footballer in the EPL. Surprised he played the whole game as he should start on Monday.

Thoughts from LB

138 Responses to Bonny Donny Gonny – Player Assessments

  1. chas says:

    Cheers, LB

    Those two recovery sprints from Maitland-Niles were pretty impressive.

    I enjoyed the first half and we should have been over the hill and faraway.
    The second half fell flat.

    What sort of poodle?

  2. mickydidit89 says:

    Aye, Marnin’

    Cheers LB
    Missed game, so great to read your comments. Imagine having a “hot damn fast” DM. Wow, like a Des Walker to cover the gaping gaps.

    Also, highly impressed with Ospina’s mother’s maiden name. Blokes name. Cool 🙂

  3. mickydidit89 says:

    Norman Hunter?

  4. Eddie says:

    ha ha ha, brilliant player rating, cheers LB
    Ospina’s mother’s maiden name was my favourite too 🙂

    Sanchez never ‘grew’ on me, now I know why, greedy bastard, can go.

    What did Jacko do wrong? Why you want to flog him?

  5. mickydidit89 says:

    Some of the Sanchez balls, as in the Theo goal, are Mesut level

    Yes, the M-N speed. Very useful weapon.

  6. mickydidit89 says:

    Hate to say this Eddie, but that looks horribly like a yappy dog to me!

  7. Rasp says:

    Morning all, I didn’t get to see the gamer either, but a win is a win, and we’ve got a decent draw in the next round. I’m loving the fact that the totts drew wham 😂

  8. Eddie says:

    labradoodle, pretty awful I must admit 🙂 but he does look a bit like Theo. And they are both fast

    sorry Rasp, but I shamefully agree with Mourinho, clubs are better off out of Carabao (wtf??!!) cup

  9. Rasp says:

    Thanks for the thoughts LB.I’m not qualified to have an opinion, but I like the news on M-N. I’d be delighted if we can have one home grown breakthrough player every season, it looks like M-N might be just that.

    I know I shouldn’t, but I find that nonchalant way Theo trots back, timed so he doesn’t have to do any proper defending … very annoying too 😦

  10. mickydidit89 says:


    The Caribou Cup is valuable competitive playing time for youngsters as well as playing returning from injury and building fitness.

    I’d agree that fielding First XI’ers would be silly

  11. Rasp says:

    I think AW got the balance of players about right last, if anything I probably would have put one more youngster in the side.

    I can’t agree with you Eddie, we should try to win every game we play … in whatever competition, with the proviso that we keep our top players fresh and rest them when necessary.

  12. chas says:

    Rasp, Josh Dasilva played the second 45, so in a way another youngster did get a fairly lengthy run out.

    It was a curious one because he replaced Chambers and played as part of the back three, even though he’s down on the Academy list as a forward!!!

    I’ve no idea if it was explained on the commentary – I had it on mute. 🙂

  13. mickydidit89 says:

    Correct. A caribou. 🙂

  14. Rasp says:

    Thanks chas, is Da Silva a big lad? Were there any other defenders on the bench? I can only think Chambers picked up a knock as he is certainly one who needs game time I’d have thought.

  15. RC78 says:

    Holding does well next to BFG usuallly but without him, he is quite average…

    Was good to see Wilshere and wished Giroud scored that screamer in the first half

  16. Rasp says:

    I just looked him up on wiki. Full name, Pelenda Joshua Tunga Dasilva, 5ft 11in and listed as a midfielder. He’s played for England at under 19, and under 20s

  17. Eddie says:

    it is CA.RA.BA.O cup
    wth is cara bloody bao??

    So was Jack really poor 😦 Cannot trust LB on this one

  18. LB says:

    There was a really nice little occurrence between Sanchez and Da Silva. The latter, who had just come on at half time, was making his debut I think and was extremely nervous. He was playing on the left of Mertasacker and therefore had Sanchez in front of him which as everyone knows means that as soon as you get the ball you give it to the owner of Atom and Humber.

    Da Silver did this a couple of times but Sanchez realising this nervousness dropped back and the next time returned the ball to Da Silva. Da Silver dutyfully returned to the Chillian who instead of pealing away on one of his slalom runs returned it yet again to Da Silva. This went on three or four times and was quite endearing to watch.

    What Sanchez was clearly trying to do was build Da Silva’s confidence, I think it worked but what I think that it certainly did do was get the hot Chillie a great deal of respect from his fellow professionals at the club.

    Nice touch Alexis

    Can anyone come up with a more appropriate word than “occurrence” up there its driving me nuts.

  19. LB says:

    Wilshere wasn’t poor but you are right I cannot be trusted on this one lol

  20. chas says:


  21. chas says:

    Dasilva is left-footed.
    Holding struggled a touch on the left of BFG in the first half.
    Dasilva played left side BFG in the second period and Holding moved to the right.
    So, I’m thinking maybe the issue was balance (a common theme this week 🙂 )

    I presume LB (who can’t be trusted) was referring cryptically to this with his ‘Holding’s confidence being massaged’ assessment. 🙂

  22. chas says:


  23. chas says:

  24. chas says:

  25. LB says:

    Exactly Chas

    I just couldn’t be arsed to explain late last night.

  26. LB says:

    Wow, those Cologne fans are something else.

  27. Rasp says:

    I know it was only Donny, but based on that video of Jack above, I’d say we’d be mad to let him go … especially to a rival. His vision and passing is impressive and he looks more composed than previously.

  28. chas says:

    Maybe we won’t have any choice.
    He holds all the cards with his contract expiring 30/6/18.

  29. Rasp says:

    Hi chas, it’s looking like the model increasingly will be for players to let their contracts run down in order to squeeze as much money as possible out of whichever future employer they opt for (including staying with the current club). Why would Jack go to Wham for say … £15m in January and for £100k a week wages, when he could go in August for nothing and get £130k a week and Wham will still have saved money on the deal?

    I guess an offer of an improved contract 3 years into a 5 year deal with an agreed buyout clause may interest some players/agents. It seems from PSGs example that no buyout clause can be too high.

  30. RC78 says:

    Wilshere should be provided a new contract – we take a chance on his fitness and he takes a chance on us in terms of playing time. A fit Wilshere would start in our team and would add some guile too.
    ——-Xhaka – Coq? – Wilshere
    ———Ramsey Sanchez

    The issue is his fitness. When fit, the guy likes to get the ball back, to drive it across the field and he has a good range of passing for both long and short passes. If only, he could stay fit…He would be our young Cazorla…

  31. Zee says:

    Afternoon, one and all, 🙂

    What happened Rasper — I thought you were all set up to go to the game?

    I was in London already when my mad friends arrived at Euston – and there would have been no chance of diverting them from their intention of going straight for a meal — it turned out they had a box — and wanted to get boozed at the Emirates – but like Chas and Ant they were already well on the way to being pixilated! 🙂

    The news that I could not go the the game, and had to go back to the office as there had been a ‘glitch’ was not too well received, as they had a surprise invite ticket for me too — so they ‘kidnapped’ me instead, and I was lucky to get back to the office after I escaped without being debagged!

    Finished work at 1:30 this morning — football? Wassat? 😀

  32. Rasp says:

    Hi Zee, my ticket offer was withdrawn late in the day. Let’s try to meet up next time you are around.

  33. Eddie says:

    brilliant 🙂 micky thinks Wilshere is thick as shit, Rasp thinks Jack has vision and passion, I love JW and LB doesn’t 🙂 Call it diversity

  34. Eddie says:

    zee – please answer the question to prove that you are not a machine : 7 – 5 * 9

  35. Zee says:


    If I had known – you could have had my ticket — but you might have also had to be ‘initiated’ to the ‘band of leopards’ by those boozy buggers – they are good fun, but …….. and I tremble to think how that would have worked out.

    Perhaps that would not have been such a good idea after all. 😀

  36. Zee says:

    I have not been programmed to respond to an arbitrary collection of numerical glyphs.

    Cogito ergo sum. I think, therefore I am. Nothing else matters.

  37. Rasp says:

    Thank zee …. you never know, I may have survived 😎

  38. Eddie says:

    zee – I knew it, you don’t exist or are a robot.

  39. GoonerB says:

    Thanks LB, always good to get some insight from someone who saw it. Haven’t even seen any highlights yet so a bit difficult for me to comment specifically but I picked up on a couple of your observations.

    Maitland Niles and his pace sounds like it has some real potential. I have always felt that in modern football the pace is more important than the size in the DM role. I prefer a player that can react to a situation quickly and use their pace to snuff out danger before it occurs and almost ghost the ball away from the opposition. Wiki has him at 5’10” and he looks reasonably strong in his frame and looks decent technically so I am hoping their is some real promise here.

    On Reiss Nelson, I am not certain but I thought he had been playing at the under whatever it is as a forward, almost in the Sanchez role. I have seen a couple of mentions that he played at RFB but don’t know if this is true. Doesn’t have to mean anything of course but I would be saying please don’t create another AOC with him being shunted from one role to the next and becoming a jack of all master of none.

    I have to confess LB that I am the polar opposite of you with Jack and am somewhat blinkered in favour of him. I have always loved the way he plays and it takes a lot for me to accept he is not up to it or will not make it.

    Agree with you about Elneny. He always looks a very tidy player and we seem to somewhat control games better when he plays without really noticing him too much. Maybe he just does the simple basic stuff very well.

  40. Eddie says:

    GB: “Haven’t even seen any highlights yet so a bit difficult for me to comment “. Followed by 4 paragraphs 🙂 I’d like to see your post when it’s easy for you to comment 🙂 🙂 3 volumes @ 500 pages each

    But you got me intrigued by Nelson and Niles, I need to pay them more attention. Agree about Jack, I too am gutted he is not world class, for a long time I was sure he would be; gave up now. Micky is right – Jw is thick and will soon be injured and out of action

  41. 1979Gunner says:

    Elneny should be playing in the first team more.

    Totally agree.

  42. Eddie says:

    god help Andre Marriner is Niles and Nelson are on the pitch together 🙂

  43. Zee says:

    Hi GB,

    I have now seen a limited highlights package, and I think what LB forgot to mention was that on at least one of these swift recoveries, M-N was the one who carelessly gave the ball away in the first place.

    Luckily he was up against one of the older and slower players, (according to the commentator) so it is a little problematic to get perspective on him.

    But I wish him well – the more talented youngsters the better for the Arsenal. 🙂

  44. Nice one LB

    The thing about Niles is that he gives the impression of slowness because he’s not on his toes. Been on ones toes has the advantage of not allowing an opponent to get past you in the first place.

    I myself walk on my toes in discos or instantly revert to a toe stance when I suspect someone has dropped money. Other toe standers include thiefs and ballet dancers. Not many people know this but before ballet, that Rudolf Nureyev geezer was a pick pocket from Catford.

    Strangely enough, the on your toes thing can also be applied to Jack Wilshere. Before Jacks injuries he was sprightly, could go past players with ease, and was a nightmare for anyone with loose pockets. Now he looks flat footed and likely to be chased down by an overweight copper? For rehabilitation Arsene should send
    him down to Catford

    let’s hope that Jack at full fitness gets back to what he’s capable of and Niles soon spots someone dropping a Tener

  45. Oh, I forgot LB. Think your been a bit harsh describing Theo jooging back as a poodle? To me he looks more like a metrosexual

  46. mickydidit89 says:

    It’s a queer thing, but I find Transplant beginning a paragraph with “strangely enough” a little unsettling, as though what’s about to follow is likely to be in some way unstrange

    Always an excellent read though 🙂

  47. GunnerN5 says:

    Hi LB,

    I’ve been out most of the day but I can’t really comment on team performances as the game was not televised here. But I’m happy we won as no loss is ever a good loss and the academy players need an opportunity to show off their skills..

  48. GunnerN5 says:

    Our Premier League campaign resumes on Monday night at West Bromwich Albion and we’ve got the latest team news for you – straight from Arsene Wenger.

    Here’s what he said about the bumps and bruises from the Doncaster game, plus the latest on Mesut Ozil and Danny Welbeck.

    on the team news…
    Calum Chambers came off [against Doncaster] and will now be out until after the international break. He has a little recurrence of his hip problem.

    on Theo Walcott…
    Theo we will check today, we don’t think it is much.

    on Jack Wilshere…
    I don’t think there will be any problem, he came off the pitch very well.

    on Mesut Ozil…
    He is in training and will come back with the team training today or tomorrow.

    on Danny Welbeck…
    Danny Welbeck has a groin injury. He will be back, his target is Watford. That means after the international break. He won’t be available for England and not for us before the break.


  49. mickydidit89 says:

    WHAT GN5…..another international break!!!!!!

  50. mickydidit89 says:

    Oooo, must dash. Just been sent some reading material

  51. LB says:

    I am actually embarrassed to receive thanks for that thing above. It was a throw away comment that got copied and pasted. I have a lot more sympathy with GB who had the same happen to him only for me to get all critical. Hmmm, taught me a bit of lesson that did.

    Oh well onwards and upwards.

  52. chas mobile says:

    Yep, it was shit but it was all we had. 😆

  53. chas mobile says:

  54. mickydidit89 says:


    Ok, I’ll be gentle because I don’t want to sound like I got out of bed on the wrong side, so here goes.

    Liberal leftie elitist bullshit that can only be described as a social, environmental and cultural catastrophe. If I was very poor and under-privileged and walked passed that shit I’d get very cross.

    Morning All 🙂

  55. mickydidit89 says:


    Forgot to mention yesterday how much I like the Bonny Donny Gonny. Just works on every level

  56. Eddie says:

    you forgot to say it is hideous and placed what appears to be a park is one straw short of a criminal offence. And whoever created that abomination was probably paid a nifty sum of money

  57. chas says:

    Haha, your reaction to that statue. 😆

    It made me laugh because the first comment under it was, ‘I’m sure there’s a shot for that’.

    Are you saying that all ‘art’ is left-wing?

  58. Eddie says:

    a must-see movie “The Meyerovitz Stories” about brothers rivalery:

  59. chas mobile says:

    Or just that anything you don’t like is left wing?

  60. mickydidit89 says:

    Hang on. Massive difference between what I call liberal leftie and left wing.

    Probably paid for by an EU grant

  61. chas mobile says:

    Ah, I see, just a general term of abuse then.

  62. mickydidit89 says:

    Yip 🙂

    I’d use the word mock rather than abuse, then again, I’m English and so have a sense of humour 🙂

  63. mickydidit89 says:

    Serious question: who’s the transgender wino rocker in 7:44?

  64. mickydidit89 says:

    Theo through the middle?

  65. GoonerB says:

    Morning all. Interesting article from a site called back page football titled “we need to talk about how we talk about Ozil”. Can any of our more tech savvy regulars (that’s you Chas 🙂 ) put up the link (that’s not you Micky 🙂 )

  66. chas mobile says:

    Lucille Ball

  67. chas says:

    That awful penis statue is at Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
    That EU money goes a feckin long way. 🙂

    The Lucille Ball statue dubbed “Scary Lucy” has now been replaced by this….

  68. chas says:

    There must be some gooners involved here.

  69. LB says:

    “Liberal leftie elitist bullshit that can only be described as a social, environmental and cultural catastrophe. If I was very poor and under-privileged and walked passed that shit I’d get very cross.”

    Top rant, respect.

  70. chas says:

  71. RC78 says:

    Illarramendi, Gueye and Carvalho to be monitored at the Jan transfer window

  72. RC78 says:

    and Danilo Pereira and maybe a shock move for Axel Witsel as well

  73. Eddie says:

    I don’t want to put words into Didit’s mouth but I don’t think that if he doesn’t like something he calls it leftie, but if something is leftie he doesn’t like it. Can’t say I blame him, socialism stinks

    RC78 – ha ha ha ha, bit early for the rumours to start now 🙂

  74. LB says:

    Here is something to get excited about……………

    On Monday, Arsene should be able to field his best team from the whole squad, well at least that’s to say the best without Cazorla.


    Koscielny, Mustafi, Monreal

    –Bellerin, Xhaka, Kolasinac



  75. Eddie says:

    what, no Wilshere 🙂

  76. LB says:

    Alright, he can be the kit man, Vic Akers isn’t going to be doing that job for ever.

  77. mickydidit89 says:

    last try

  78. chas says:

    Must end with .jpg or .png or .gif

  79. chas says:

    Looks like leftie liberal shit to me.
    If I was very poor and disenfranchised and I had to walk past that every day……..

  80. mickydidit89 says:

    For once I’m delighted it’s a Monday game, t’otherwise I’d miss it

    Looking at fixtures, good chance someone above could drop some points this weekend. Top by Christmas?

  81. mickydidit89 says:

    ha ha

    If I was promised snow, I think I’d be very tempted
    The local town looks a bit rubbish though

  82. chas says:

    Most are stopping in Minsk, I think.
    Any good?

  83. chas says:

    Did you see the diagram at 10.23?
    We could be 3rd or 18th at the end of this round of fixtures apparently.

  84. mickydidit89 says:

    Yes, although I thought it was for season’s end. Still, cool chart

    Also say the apple store 🙄

    However, I won’t comment on the sort of people being applauded into a shop to buy a telephone though 🙂

  85. chas says:

    That Apple store meathead bouncer must have rubbed his hands with glee at his easiest ever gig.

  86. VP of Oz says:

    good afternoon all.
    yes ideally –
    WHam win
    Crystal win
    SoutHam win
    Stoke win
    Leicester win again

    should be a nice leadin to our game

  87. Eddie says:

    Minsk used to be a polish town. Like large parts of Belarus it was part of Poland; my mother was born in Belarus which then was a part of our country. We lost huge parts of the country to the extreme lefties

  88. Eddie says:

    VP – to summarise – ideally ‘win’ for every game from now on 🙂

  89. Eddie says:

    it could be a good day for us today, only City have 100% chance of winning. I am predicting big upsets today

  90. GoonerB says:

    Afternoon all. Already looking dicey Eddie. Spurs win and Chelsea ahead and in control andUtd ahead.

  91. Eddie says:

    shows how much I know about football GB

  92. VP of Oz says:

    just back from watching the Kingsman after a Vietnamese dinner.
    A late equaliser from SouthH would make a nice nightcap before bed

  93. Eddie says:

    city and united GD 19 and 15 respectively to our -1. Bloody Ollie

  94. LB says:

    Looks like the banana skin has been passed our way.

  95. Eddie says:

    it bad luck saying things like that LB, go and wash your mouth

    Bad results today, pressure is already building up

  96. GunnerN5 says:

    Chelsea and city are looking unbeatable right now – so it seems like they will be the top two teams and that leaves a dog fight between, Spurs, United, Pool and Arsenal for the remaining two top four positions.

    We don’t play a top 6 team for the next 5 games while-

    Chelsea host City
    United host Spurs
    Spurs host Pool
    Pool host United

    – so that gives us an opportunity to pick up some points.

  97. chas mobile says:

  98. mickydidit89 says:

    Yesterday’s results, well, the way I see things is….win tomorrow, and we’re a little closer to safety 🙂

    Ooer, you’d think just one of them could have dropped some points

  99. Eddie says:

    this is sad: “Dame Kelly (Holmes) said: “At my lowest, I was cutting myself with scissors every day that I was injured (…) to release the anguish” she experienced. terrible, terrible, terrible but awesome that she came out with it, couldn’t be easy

  100. Eddie says:

    didit – you were right, again, about Brazilians with names ending with an ‘o’. Cuttinho yesterday was awesome, what a player

    That brought me to thinking when was the last time we had a brilliant player, brilliant, not just very good. Thierry Henry? Or that Judas, van something. But since then? Certainly no awesome strikers and that is 5 seasons ago

  101. mickydidit89 says:

    “you were right, again”

    Cough, AGAIN, and when exactly was the last time? 🙂

  102. chas says:

    What’s the point in worrying about a few poxy football results when dotard and little rocket man are squaring up for their playground nuclear conflagration?

  103. Eddie says:

    I can’t remember 🙂 but I am sure you are usually right 🙂

    some fooking brilliant goals yesterday, Morata’s for example

  104. Eddie says:

    I am not particularly worried about the results, just resigned to not winning the league. I still think Europa should be our TOP priority, have to win it

    and imagine Spurs finishing 4th 🙂

  105. chas says:

  106. mickydidit89 says:

    Nah, I had an absolute stinker in ’72 🙂

  107. mickydidit89 says:

    I guess right now the world would pay good money to see Trump and Fat Kim in the ring

  108. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Back from manoeuvres and hungry for a bit of AFC action.

    Thank you to GN5 for taking up the baton on the PM’s

  109. GunnerN5 says:

    No problem Raddy I was happy to fill in for the PM master, I look forward to you resuming full PM duties.

    It’s a sad football Sunday only Brighton v Newcastle

  110. Big Raddy says:

    Thank goodness there is some cricket (and that it is perfect walking weather)

  111. chas says:

  112. GoonerB says:

    Afternoon all. It seems that Jack is now also one that is looking to leave at the end of the season on a free. This may not bother some but it bothers me. Another one of our own who has been with us all the way through but more significantly in his case is (despite the injuries) there is still a potential world class player in there. He has looked sharp and shown that inherent quality in those last 2 games he featured in.

    I think Jack is different from Ozil and Sanchez though both of whom I think will go at the end of the season whatever. It seems Jack doesn’t see a way into the first team which is more influencing his current stance. However, I do feel in his case that if he started to get a more regular influential role that he would stay, being a proper Arsenal boy, and right now I would be more apt focus on getting him to stay rather than the other 2 if I were Wenger.

    Personally I think we will be a bit of a laughing stock if we just play Sanchez and Ozil all season at the expense of other players and then let them waltz off to a rival. If Ozil thinks he can walk off free at the end of the season and join Maureen, (as rumoured reports indicate), then say fine but drop him instantly to the reserves. In a world cup year he may reconsider his position and take a deal to go somewhere else in Jan so we at least come out with something and maybe he goes somewhere that is less damaging to our image.

    I could say ditto to this with Sanchez but in his case I think we may be able to work out a deal in Jan that suits us and him anyway. We have slightly less experienced cover in his position (although I would like to see Nelson given some games there) so I think we can make use of Sanchez till January then find a deal that suits all. PSG would be ideal and could we possibly do a deal involving Cavani? Dries Mertens who we are linked with would look a spot on replacement
    for Sanchez (and is given the thumbs up by RC78).

    In Ozils case Iwobi showed he can step in quite effectively (and still play Rambo) and my personal preference would be to shift Jack into that right of centre number 10 role, where he can also play in the same team as Rambo. That gives us 2 excellent options and probably secures Jack on a new deal. With that kind of cover in Ozils role there is no need to pander to him.

    I feel this is a delicate moment in how the club comes out looking. If these 2 swan off to both Manchester clubs for free at seasons end I fear we will be perceived as a small bit part club that is on a downward trajectory (making it difficult to persuade top players to come to us) and it may take a few years to rebuild that image. If we act decisively and bench Ozil promoting other more committed players and get decent(ish) deals in Jan with the right players coming in then I feel we will have acted decisively as a big club and performed an excellent damage limitation exercise and will be able to spring on from there.

  113. GunnerN5 says:

    Hi GB,

    If Jack had not been injured so often he would have become a regular starter long ago, but his growth has been severely hampered by his lack of durability. I’m sure that this is the predominant reason that Arsenal are delaying a contract decision. Staying fit is the key to his future if he stays fit he can show his true worth to AW (and other clubs) if not then his future is bleak.

    My hope is that he stays with us but if not I cannot see our image getting any worse than the current perception – which is mainly media driven.

    I could care less about losing Ozil and Sanchez – it’s been obvious for a while that they were both planning on using the Bosman ruling and it has become a bore. The blame will undoubtedly be laid on Arsenal/AW but world wide a multitude of players have used the ruling to their advantage – and why not?

    Our only salvation will be in our ability to attract more talent and utilize our academy.

  114. RC78 says:

    If Wilshere plays more in the firsthalf of the season, I guarantee that AFC will give him a new deal. He needs to keep fit and also reasonable in terms of salary wished. I still think that a trio of:
    Xhaka – Coquelin – Wilshere in the middle of the park would provide the right balace and then Ramsey – Sanchez can play behind Lacazette.

    At this stage – we can play El Neny instead of Coquelin.

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