Transfers? Leave it to Arsene

Transfers? I leave it to Arsene to decide

We take Arsene for granted. The mans achievement to maintain a top four level of consistency is unparalleled and in the world of competitive football, simply extraordinary. To lift, maintain a harmony, and instil required motivation to a squad of players is incredible.

After 20 years in charge how well do we know Arsene?

I can guarantee every blogger on this site, you will never beat Arsene in mind games or any form of dispute. The man is razor sharp and his emotional intelligence second to none.

Let me give you an example. Your a player on the fringes and want to play. You become anxious, letting feelings get the better of you. Your options are to either go knocking on Wengers door and have it out or knuckle down in training and see were it gets you?

What is the correct answer? With some managers it can work either way but with Arsene?…..the answer is neither.

What ever you do Arsene will decide on whats best for the team. By the time he is finished with you there will be no resentment on your part. He will make you feel bad for questioning him. You will look back and actually admire and respect the man for his actions. This is why players that have left the club speak so fondly of the man.

In all the 20 years of Arsenes management I don’t recall an over reaction, over charged emotional outburst, melt down, or any profound loss of logic. Name me another manager that you can say that about?

What is the result of this amazing ability to remain calm, controlled, fair, and emotionally healthy? Consistency, that’s what.

The reason the club has prospered and maintained top four level is down to Wenger. Under the pressures of a stadium move, the emergence of sugar daddy owners, and the influx of money across the board he has achieved something which is nigh on impossible. I dont care who it is, no other manager could match that.

Yet some of our support deride him. Why? For the same reasons that has made the man admired by his peers and respected by those who work with him, they let themselves down by emotional over reaction, and in turn come over needy and weak.

I ask the critics this. Remove your selves for a minute from the highly charged emotion of supporting Arsenal, stand back and take a look at the mans 20 year career in its entirety, and reflect on what you see..

written by Terry Mancini’s Hair Transplant

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351 Responses to Transfers? Leave it to Arsene

  1. goonaboy says:

    Well i see one of the highest pay paid managers in the world not seriously competing for the title in over 10 years.
    I also see a manager who talks about getting value for money for transfers yet is happy to watch the fans pay the highest tickets prices in the land if not Europe.

  2. Chris says:

    Well, great piece in support of one of the best managers in the world. None of the other so called ‘greats’ have ever been able to reach the 4 year mark let alone build anything of long term significance.

    Good to read something positive about him

  3. Hlanganani Thodlana says:

    You know I can not see any other Manager running Arsenal no matter how hard I try………it’s like it wouldn’t be Arsenal anymore. We cry and cry but come the weekend we all sit in our chairs and expect to see magic from Wenger’s boys.

    The Sugar Daddy teams will never ever be able to know what the feeling is like. Just look where Chelsea ended last season with all the money spent.

  4. lance says:

    you obviously lead a mediocre life with low standards

  5. credmond88 says:

    I see a once great footballing manager and visionary living in the past and utterly unwilling to address his team’s obvious deficiencies.

  6. LB says:

    I see one of the best posts I have ever read.

  7. LBG says:

    Well Terry, you knew your post was likely to get some of the early comments already evidenced here!!
    Thanks for the effort. Agree with all your thoughts. May the destructive critics go boil their heads, and then go and support Totnum or Chelski!

  8. LB says:

    Wow, no wonder why that one was plucked out before getting the official go ahead.

  9. VP of Oz says:

    Absolutely awesome post. Thank you

  10. Eddie says:

    lance – and you are a sad man. Why lunch a personal attack on a complete stranger?? !! Bad hair day or are you always like that?

  11. Eddie says:

    right – I am standing here, devoid of highly charged emotional shit and I am thinking of Wenger – an OAP that deserves a knighthood for the past brilliance and a comfy sofa to watch footy on telly in his early retirement. He deserved that.

    I would even erect his statue or two in Highbury because I think so highly of him.

    But I do not believe he can take us forward. I think I might have said it before, once or twice 🙂

  12. John Grondona says:

    Well said Terry.Everybody connected to The Rifle would be proud of you !!!
    John

  13. Ray says:

    Look at his entire 20 year reign….in 20 years he has won 3 PL trophies 6 fa cups…0 CL…Now factor in the 3 PL trophies where achieved within the first 5 years ….thats 15 years with nothing …would u regard any other manager a top world class manager of they hadn’t won a league title in 15 years????

    Then theres the CL.Thats 20 years of trying and being in a stable managerial role (almost unheard of for any other manager to be given so much time to get it right) to win that trophy yet he hasn’t done it once.. No other manager has had that many attempts and failed

    Will he win either this season? you know as well as i do that he won’t. So please stop with this talk that he is this amazing manager..he the 4th highest paid manager in the world of football….yet are we anywhere near being the 4th best team in the world of football???

    When he talks about the crazy money in football and then refers to how Leicester have achieved winning the PL without paying over the odds…why does he not also look at how much they pay their manager and see if we are paying over the odds.

  14. Daniel says:

    Refreshing analysis! In its entire existence, no Arsenal related person has given so much and got less credit than Wenger. In my view he is the most influential Arsenal personality of all times. History and posterity will judge him less harshly and more admirably than his contemporaries.

  15. Hi Good morning,You are the first person I can identify with over the years, I only recently started to answer and respond when I hear reasoning from people who can see into Arsen Wenger’s thoughts and mind set, you are the special one not Jose Marino he is over the top and a very sad person, I have always thought Arsenal and the manager do not deserve these Chicken Brain idots small organise group headed by Piers Morgan he whips them into a frenzy, as he loves to hear his name, he should support Manchester United as he loves to spend other peoples money and call it management SAD SOUL, you have a very good day and keep on educating the Small Minded Fanatics many thanks for listening.

  16. Big Raddy says:

    Terry. Thanks for an excellent post.

    Some agree and some don’t, that is part of the enjoyment of football.

  17. Gilly says:

    In sports, achievement is measured by only one indicator: how many titles you’ve won and not how emotionally calm one can be. That positive emotional attribute you think Wenger has (remaining unmoved in times of underachievement) is what makes him even not worried if he never wins trophies. He does not become worried or agitated win or lose, second or third. He is not even worried that other big teams are going to beat us and then the fans poke fun at us. Is that a good attribute?

  18. Big Raddy says:

    John. What is The Rifle?

  19. Big Raddy says:

    Gilly. 2 FA Cups and a second place in the last 3 years.

    Underachievement?

  20. fatgingergooner says:

    Interesting how many people have issue with Wengers salary. What you’ve got to take into account though is the length of time he’s been at the club. Ive been in my job for 6 years and my salary is far higher than that of someone doing the same job who’s only been there for 6 months because I’ve had incremental increases over the years. So it makes sense that as one of the longest serving managers in football at one of the biggest clubs in world football that he would have a high wage. Also, when you compare to other managers in the game, are his earnings that surprising. Take Zidane for example, when he started at Real what had he done as a manager? Yet he was given £8m a year straight away, almost the same as Wenger. Pochettino is now on £5.5m after 1 good season at Spurs (where they still finished below us)!

  21. VP of Oz says:

    FGG, I am running Fantasy League 713122-196461
    My team is Kiss My Arsenal

  22. Steven Sanson says:

    Thank you for this. These are my sentiments also. The supporters who deride Wenger should focus their attention toward the board who seem more than happy to let the manager take an almost unbearable amount of flak over something (transfers) that is to some degree out of his control.
    Those areas of club policy that are fully under his control continue to function well and confound his critics.

  23. fatgingergooner says:

    Cheers VP. I’ve joined! Currently in 6th looking at the table.

  24. keniaji says:

    Steve, pls tell me which club policy under his control that functions well. All of u Wenger apologists are part n parcel of the problem, i hope u mugs will go with him whenever he’s pushed out. We the arsenal did win titles before he came n will win a lot more when the senile one is gone.

  25. Alvinio says:

    What a load of rubbish! Every past player from Wright, Henry, Merson, Parlour, Adams and Vieira are stating we have got the transfer business wrong!

    Everyone bar Arsene knows we’ve needed a world class proven striker and centre back for the past two seasons and it still hasn’t happened.

    What’s the point in qualifying for the Champions League if you’re never going to get past the last 16? At least Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea actually win the bloody thing.

  26. fatgingergooner says:

    So glad I’m going out for the day! Good luck people!!! 😂

  27. LB says:

    Wright, Henry, Merson, Parlour, Adams and Vieira

    An impressive group of successful managers as you will ever see.

  28. GunnerN5 says:

    Good day all,

    Eddie, You have every right to feel the way you do, after all you have been a staunch AW supporter but now you think his time is over – nothing wrong with feeling that way.

  29. GunnerN5 says:

    Terry,

    That was a superb comment and one worthy of becoming a headline post, I’m happy that Raddy volunteered to publish it for you 🙂 🙂

  30. Akshay says:

    i m in total agreement with your article
    i understand his tactics even today and i appreciate him for giving wholly to the cause
    last 3 years have been excellent as a club
    2014 – 4th place, FA Cup
    2015 – 3rd place, FA Cup
    2016 – 2nd place

    i think criticism should be there. but he has done mostly alright
    We cannot compare ourselves to city, chelsea.
    their way of acheiving is the kind of people i hate.
    i like our club and manager respect immensely.
    hector bellerin
    santi cazorla koscielny, ozil , alexis monreal
    All wengers last 3-4 years of hard work

  31. Big Raddy says:

    keniaji. You are entitled to your opinion even though it is wrong.

  32. Rasp says:

    Beautifully expressed and passionate post Terry, thank you 🙂

  33. VP of Oz says:

    The club has won 12 FA Cups, a joint-record, 13 League titles, two League Cups, 14 FA Community Shields, one UEFA Cup Winners’ Cup and one Inter-Cities Fairs Cup. Arsenal was the first club from the South of England to join The Football League, in 1893.

    Wenger has won Arsenal 6 FA Cups, 3 League Titles and 6 Community Shields.

    So statistically Wenger has won 35% of all of Arsenals trophies from its 120+ years of history. WOW!
    He also has a win ratio of 57.1% and a loss ratio of only 19.5%

    Plus Wenger has made the impossible possible by winning 1 of his League Titles without losing a single game – Invincibles.

    Plus Wenger continues to finish in the top 4 every year(CL) and finish above Spurs every year.

    The stats are the facts.

    Cheer up, WOBs. You know what they say.
    Some things in life are bad,
    They can really make you mad.
    Other things just make you swear and curse.
    When you’re chewing on life’s gristle,
    Don’t grumble, give a whistle!
    And this’ll help things turn out for the best
    And
    Always look on the bright side of life!

  34. VP of Oz says:

    Banging on about statistics – Wenger has managed the club for 16% of its history and won 35% of its trophies.
    And you cannot say “but not recently” as he won 2 FA Cups and 2 Community Shields in 2014 and 2015.

  35. Pat7 says:

    Up until a few years ago I could have accepted that argument but when we have cried out for how many years for a DM and only recently filled that position by accident by a player effectively dismissed…..then needing a centre back (obviously) with the aging BFG and Kos’ fragility (Achilles)…..lots of French commentary whilst other managers did their business grabbing the best players, getting their squads settled for the new season whilst we wait until two weeks into the season to grab at the bargain basement losing initial points and having a half fit squad – sorry, as a very long term supporter of Arsenal and Arsene, I now disagree and wish to move on!

  36. wally says:

    Perhaps i’m a bit jaded but beating Hull, in a year in which they were relegated (and requiring overtime to do so), and AV in a year in which they too were relegated don’t strike me as great accomplishments.
    And losing to Birmingham in a year in which they too were relegated.

    This is what we’re beating our chest about?

    I would aspire to more, to better.

  37. Eddie says:

    who are all these people on our blog???

  38. Eddie says:

    GN5 – correct. I remember thinking a few years ago about Wenger and what if…he died. I know, crazy, but I never claimed to be a full ticket. I was scared that anything could happen to Arsene and I vowed to go to his funeral even if it was held in Germany. I even thought he was handsome. I know, Rory Delap is an oil painting by comparison

  39. Big Raddy says:

    Oh Wally. If you cannot enjoy winning trophies, why bother?

    Who we beat in the Final is irrelevant, completely irrelevant. Why not point to beating MU or Chavs in the two before?

    In the run to the last two wins we beat, among others …. Spurs, Everton Liverpool and MU.

  40. Big Raddy says:

    Our 2nd biggest readership today is from Norway!

  41. Ken says:

    This year we are going to kick his lies and his damn a** hole and we’ll see if any of you damn AKB will be able to stop us.
    ENOUGH OF YOUR BLOODY LIES AND FRAUD. ENOUGH OF BEING STAN’S CASH MACHINE through the frAudulous and manipulative scheme of the specialist in failure.
    WENGER OUT, A MILLION TIMES.

  42. GunnerN5 says:

    Ken – Arsenal Arsenal has an ethos that will not allow me to respond to your utterly ridiculous crap in the manner that I would prefer, but suffice to say that Arsenal would be better off without your sort of misguided “support” 😦 😦 😦

  43. fatgingergooner says:

    Lots of frustration around! Jeeeez! I still get lots of joy from watching Arsenal these days. Could we do better? Of course. Is it worth having a stroke over? Definitely not! Looking forward to the Watford game and seeing what the end of the window brings. Maybe we’ll get some new players in, let’s hope so because in this day and age it seems they might be celebrated more important than trophies. We should stuff them and start popping them in the trophy cabinet when they retire! 😂

  44. wally says:

    Beating Manure, Real, Juve, ‘pool when they were good. Those indeed are great ones to celebrate. These other ones, against bottom feeders, while gratifying, not nearly so much.

    As I said I’m simply jaded by our truly great wins over truly great clubs.

  45. fatgingergooner says:

    At least if we did that we wouldn’t all have to listen to their ‘expert opinions’ on every single football show. Anyone watch the new BT Sport 3pm show that’s supposed to rival Soccer Saturday? It was dreadful.

  46. Eddie says:

    Ken @2:32 – I want to have your babies!! Man I was looking for, a true Gunner, none of that in Arsene we trust rubbish!

    Yeah, the AKB brigade, yes you! Get your arses ready for kicking ready

  47. fatgingergooner says:

    If we are Stans cash machine then what will change if/when Wenger leaves?

  48. Eddie says:

    he won’t. But if he did the honorable thing, then no other manager would agree to hold the club back, secure the C/L place to cash in on TV rights and lie to the fans that no players were available. No proper, successful, ambitious manager would agree to that.

  49. chas says:

    Haha, Eddie is the new Ken.

  50. Eddie says:

    haha, chas is a plum 🙂

  51. fatgingergooner says:

    Eddie,

    If no proper manager would agree to that then what sort of manager will we end up with!??

  52. Big Raddy says:

    Eddie. 3.20. You been taking a crafty swig of the plum wine? Sorry but your baby days are over 😦

  53. LBG says:

    VP of OZ
    Great stats! Great facts! Great film quote!
    Pat7 – “move on” and let equally long time supporters enjoy the peace!

  54. Jeremy O Dwyer says:

    Arsene might be more of a philosopher, a multi linguist, a better manager, a better bookkeeper, but Rory Delap bests him where it really counts. In having strong manly arms capable of holding a woman to his heart and making her feel she’s protected from the ills of the world.

  55. Big Raddy says:

    Jeremy. You romantic smooth talker

  56. LBG says:

    Chas
    How did Eddie get hold of your plum wine?

  57. Aleks says:

    You cannot measure success on trophy count alone as the FA Cup has lost it’s value and status as a top competition during Wenger’s reign…

  58. fatgingergooner says:

    Out of interest, do we think top 4 has become more or less important in recent years?

    Obviously try to take your hatred/love of Wenger out of the equation as that will sway your vote!

    What do we think?

  59. GunnerN5 says:

    Here is a summary of our last 100 years League results cut into 20 year segments, the last 20 being only AW.

    804 – 296 – 37% – 49% – 1
    840 – 404 – 48% – 61% – 9
    840 – 344 – 41% – 54% – 2
    788 – 357 – 45% – 55% – 7
    752 – 434 – 58% – 66% – 9

    Column 1 = Games Played
    Column 2 = Games Won
    Column 3 = % Games Won
    Column 4 = % Points Won
    Column 5 = # Trophy’s Won

  60. benny says:

    Our results in the Champions league show how irrelevant finishing in the top 4 is…

  61. fatgingergooner says:

    Benny,

    I meant in general terms, not just Arsenal. People say the FA Cup is less important, so is CL becoming less important? The money is in the PL now so do clubs need top 4 to compete like they used to? United and Chelsea seem to have strengthened this season without it and are fancied to do better in PL without having to play those games.

  62. Eddie says:

    benny – bless you 🙂 it is probably£20mil irrelevant

  63. fatgingergooner says:

    The West Ham and Spurs stadium moves are a little bit annoying when you compare what we had to sacrifice for our move. West Ham have been handed a stadium for pretty much sod all, whilst Spurs have managed to arrange their stadium move at a time when tv revenue has never been higher and may never be as high again!

    Lucky swines!

  64. Big Raddy says:

    Benny. The balance sheet would disagree.

    If you recall how excited THFC were to get in the CL and now Leicester you can see how important it is to other clubs.

    Sadly, not to you.

    For me beating Barca at home, Dortmund away, BM, Real, AC etc is what stands out. OK, we are nowhere near winning the thing but I love that we are in with a possibility, MU, Chelsea and L’pool fans would love to be in it

  65. fatgingergooner says:

    CL is still the pinnacle and where you want to be to test yourself against the best, but the financial need of CL football is being reduced by the crazy money available in the PL. If this money was available 10 years ago then I don’t think we’d have been selling our best players during the move.

    Top 4 is definitely still where you want to be, but more for the challenge than the money.

  66. GunnerN5 says:

    Raddy,

    In the past 20 years 16 teams (80 %) per season have envied us for getting into the CL – but that is not good enough for Benny.

  67. Eddie says:

    not good enough for benny, not good enough for me.
    Wenger out.

  68. eddy says:

    Arsenal only won 5 out of 20 games against the top 10 sides of the Premier league last season and 2 of those 5 wins came against Leicester!!

  69. GunnerN5 says:

    Chas,

    Here is a young 12 year old that is being groomed by Arsenal his name is Omari Hutchinson. If you were able to find and post a video of his skills It would open peoples eyes to what goes on behind the scenes.

  70. Eddie says:

    chas is brewing 🙂

  71. fatgingergooner says:

  72. Eddie says:

    nay, no good just fluffing about with the ball. He cannot score, we still need a striker

  73. fred1266 says:

    Reminds me or Wellington Silva

  74. GunnerN5 says:

    Thanks Eddie, he has amazing ball skills – scoring goals will come.

  75. IanRealGunner says:

    He’s playing central defence at Watford on Saturday – like a new signing

  76. TotalArsenal says:

    Great bromance letter by MrWenger’s Nr.1 fan. 😍

  77. Thanks for all the lovely comments. Been a narcissist I enjoyed them all, especially the insulting ones. Reminds me of happy times I had with the first wife.

    I know what your thinking, is this man a Homosexual? Talking about feelings and how Arsenes love can beat Real Madrid. Nothing wrong with it, but I assure you I’m not. On the contrary, if a geezer go as far as to say “I like your jacket mate” I give them a beating.

    I only talk about feelings in print, not in real life. You know those Mills & Boon romance books? I wrote them. So if it weren’t for me, your mum would have never bothered with your old man.

    Currently I’m dating this lovely bird. To communicate I write her five love letters a day. I’m afraid it may end soon? I’m running out of ink.

    Don’t care really. If it goes tits up, I will ask Arsene to accompany me to the Southbank were we can take a lovely stroll down the river. Perhaps share an ice cream? But of course, I’m not gay, so I will take him for a candlelight dinner instead.

  78. GunnerN5 says:

    Currently I’m dating this lovely bird. To communicate I write her five love letters a day. I’m afraid it may end soon? I’m running out of ink

    Amazing punch line.

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  79. oz gunner says:

    Well said TMHT. The media has driven the arsenal supporters into a frenzy. In saying that, if we finish the transfer window will Theo as a backup striker I might off myself.

  80. VP of Oz says:

    I still think this striker merry-go-round might play out –
    LP Matinez to Everton
    Lukaku to Chelsea
    Costa to Atletico
    Griezman to Arsenal

    Yes transfers are so straight forward, just ask the media.

  81. TotalArsenal says:

    Terry 😀

    You may spread your lovemaking over many a woman, but your bromance is purely monogamist. There is only One Arsene Wenger can be sung by many, but nobody means it more than you….and your ink will never run dry.

  82. TotalArsenal says:

    Good to see Chas fannying around once again this morning 😀

  83. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Fine days blogging inspired by a terrific post.

    Anyone got anything for today?

  84. Eddie says:

    Oh dear, Mail Online has published an article, where they quote Arsenal players, ex-players and fans and immedittely after the quote they say ‘What’s XYZ’s point’ 🙂 🙂 they sort of translate the quotes into English!! How insulting and stupid

    Paul Merson: ‘The Man United centre-half looks like a centre-half. I just look at Eric Bailly and I think “why haven’t Arsenal gone for him?” Wenger went to that club and inherited one of the best back fours of all time. Since then you can reel off 20 centre-halves who don’t even make up one player.’

    .
    What’s Merson’s point? Arsenal have been seriously light of defensive options at the start of the new season, the lack of experience at the heart of their back four giving the former England man and plenty of others cause for concern.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3754319/Arsenal-s-slow-start-new-season-underwhelming-transfer-window-seen-criticised-pundits-former-players-flak-really-fair-Arsene-Wenger.html

  85. Big Raddy says:

    Merson is an idiot, a semi – amusing jester

    His management credentials are zero and his article is in the paper it deserves – the DM is a disgraceful rag.

  86. Eddie says:

    Raddy – but the Mail translated all quotes, as if the readers – more than likely Arsenal fans could not understand plain English.

    Ray Parlour: ‘It’s going to be difficult for Arsenal. A few signings have been missed. There’s still time. I’m still hopeful Arsenal can bring a couple of players in. They need to. It’s going to be a tough season otherwise.’

    What’s Parlour’s point? Like many frustrated Arsenal fans, former midfielder Parlour wants to see more new faces at the Emirates, and quickly too. Only Xhaka and young defender Rob Holding have joined the club this summer.

  87. Big Raddy says:

    FCK – no it is not a spelling mistake! – (FC København) go to Nicosia in the CL tonight with a 1-0 lead from the first leg. Really hoping they get a result and are drawn in our CL group.

  88. Big Raddy says:

    True Eddie, I am not arguing with you, just cannot understand how and why these old players criticise the club.

    My concerns are that dreadful red-tops like the Mirror, Mail and Sun take quotes out of context to create a media narrative to destroy our wonderful club and some fools believe it (as you can see from some of the comments above).

    Yes, we need a couple of bodies – tell me a club which doesn’t? Do you think Daley Blind is good enough to play alongside Kos? Well, he starts at CB for MU. Or the ancient JT? Or what about the €70m MC spent on two decidedly average CB’s last season?

    Getting the right bodies is the art

  89. Eddie says:

    red-tops journos have to make a living. I think some of them are paid by size, not quality of the content.

    I couldn’t care less what they write, I am STILL capable of making up my own mind on most issues.

    Take this morning for example – they are over dramatizing the earth quake in Italy, getting just about ANYBODY who can speak English to say something terrible. It is soooo draining

    But I don’t agree with you that anyone is trying to destroy our Club. Things are pretty dire at the moment and we are open to criticism. It is difficult to have a pop at ManU at the moment, they look solid

  90. Big Raddy says:

    After 2 games against S’ton and Stoke?

  91. fatgingergooner says:

    Merse is a Chelsea fans don’t expect any favours from him anyway.

    One thing that Wenger is often given grief for is doing deals very late in the window as if he’s some sort of wheeler dealer. They may be a bit of truth in that but they forget that one of the main reasons he did this was because we had to wait to see if we qualified for the CL first as we have often needed a play off to go through. With that in mind, I wonder if we might put in a solid bid for Manolas from Roma who were beaten to CL football by Porto last night. Apparently we scouted him and there’s been rumours of interest for ages now, even before he went there.

  92. fatgingergooner says:

    Another mildly interesting line this morning is that Bayer Leverkusen have just signed Dragovic from Kiev (a defender), and we have been linked with Omer Toprak from them who has said that he may leave this window.

  93. fatgingergooner says:

    I think VP is right in that it will be a waiting game for other transfers before we can go after our main targets, with others then lined up as back up options. So you can understand why Wenger might be waiting. Why get option B if you can wait until near the end of the window and have a chance to get option A? Are the first 9 points of the season important enough to alter players you may sign for the next 5 years? No, of course not.

  94. Eddie says:

    Raddy 🙂

    2015/2016
    Tue 02 Feb Arsenal 0 – 0 Southampton Premier League
    Sat 26 Dec Southampton 4 – 0 Arsenal Premier League

    2014/2015
    Thu 01 Jan Southampton 2 – 0 Arsenal Premier League
    Wed 03 Dec Arsenal 1 – 0 Southampton Premier League
    Tue 23 Sep Arsenal 1 – 2 Southampton League Cup

    we did a tad better against Stoke, but nothing to write home about

  95. JM says:

    @fatgingergooner August 24, 2016 at 9:06 am

    Not Omer Toprak; it is another younger CB from Leverkusen who ticks all Arsene’s conditions:

    1. the talent; 2. his age; 3. how much the player is expected to improve the team; 4. his resale value.

    The £25M+ (reportedly meant for Mustafi) might clinch the deal.

  96. fatgingergooner says:

    JM,

    They’ve got some decent young defenders there is Jedvaj and Tah. They’ve got Papadopolous too. I’d imagine the signing of Dragovic could see one of their CB’s leave.

  97. VP of Oz says:

    Wow, even in one of our most successful decades ,the 1930’s, Arsenal fans used to boo the team. It seems that the more successful Arsenal become, the more vitriolic its fans becomes. Its genetic.

    The club, however, is also noted for the long-standing vitriolic criticism of the team by some of its own supporters, a group who since around 2010 have been named The Anti-Arsenal Arsenal. Although the contemporary version of this group focuses its antipathy on the manager Arsène Wenger, earlier reports note antagonism towards the title winning team of 1953, and even Arsenal team of the 1930s, with Herbert Chapman complaining of the activities of the “boo-boys”. More recent research has traced the tendency of some Arsenal fans to criticise the team back to the 19th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_F.C._supporters

  98. chas says:

    VP
    So constant whining isn’t a new phenomenon. 🙂

  99. chas says:

  100. chas says:

  101. fatgingergooner says:

    Lots made about our defensive issues in the media but nobody seems to mention the Chavs. They currently have Ivanovic, Terry, Azpilicueta and Cahill as their fit defenders. That’s it! If they can’t find a decent CB with their resources then is it any wonder we are struggling? Conte has been after a CB all summer just the same as Wenger has but nobody seems to mention that.

  102. RC78 says:

    great post 🙂

    To be honest – AW had said he wanted to make 3-4 additions to his squad back in June-July.

    He bought Holding, Xhaka and Asano but I am hoping that he meant 3-4 to the first team and that he had:

    1 CB, 1 DM and 1 FW in mind.

    The CB saga now is going to be disappointing for us as we will probably go for Tisserand, Oprak, Fonte or worse Kjaer :-(. Most likely, it will be Oprak as Dragovic just joined Leverkusen…

    The DM saga was dealt with early with Xhaka joining us.

    In terms of FW, we tried Griezzman, Vardy and Mahrez, which means that we are going for a FW that will add pace and that can allow us to play a more direct/vertical game. The only one left in that mould is Aubemayang…alternatively, we can go for Dries Meertens from Napoli as Dybala or Alcacer would be hard to convince…

    In any case – we need a CB and a FW that will fit in straight in our starting XI.

    Cech – Bellerin, OPRAK, Kos, Monreal – Ramsey, Xhaka – Ozil – Oxlade, AUBEMAYANG, Sanchez

    Ospina – Jenkinson, BFG, Gabriel, Gibbs – Cazorla, El Neny, Wilshere – Walcott, Giroud, Wellbeck

    + Holding, Coquelin, Jeff, Akpom

  103. RC78 says:

    I think that this year, barring injuries, it will be the Ox year 🙂 His finishing has clearly improved and he is so hungry that he will make that starting berth his this year – no more time to lose.

    COYG!

  104. VP of Oz says:

    Queens Park Rangers are considering a move for former Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner, according to Sky sources.

  105. oz gunner says:

    @RC78

    I hope so. I remember saying the world was his oyster two years ago. Injuries have been a blight on our team and robbed us of ramsey, wilshere, and ox (to name a few). Ox’s confidence and speed with drag zones all over the place. I’d love to gnabry and ox on the wings. Speed to burn.

  106. oz gunner says:

    As much as I’d love griezman or aubemayang, surely they are fantasy buys. Signing Griezman would be like that time we signed arshavin x 10. I think chelsea would stick their noses in if the option was there.

  107. Big Raddy says:

    I can’t see it either but he would be a terrific signing

  108. RC78 says:

    Griezzman would be a great signing and Aubemayang as well but it is most likely not going to happen…

    I was disappointed that we let Milik join Napoli as he is going to be next Ibrahimovic and he went for rather cheap.

    I would be hugely upset if we go for Bony, Chicharito or Bacca.

    The only player that could make sense now (for me) would be Mertens from Napoli. He can play wing and forward. He will need to bulk up physically but his runs are amazing, his finishing is fine and his work rate is great. He would be like our Nolito or Jese.

    Dybala and Alcacer would be hard to get.

    Apparently we are after D. Goncalves from Benfica…:(

  109. fred1266 says:

    Yea never understood how we didn’t pursue Aubameng

    Dybala is another one we should be after

    Never heard of Gonsalves but isn’t Jonas #1 for benifa so why would we go for there backup

  110. RC78 says:

    Fred – i have no clue why we do not go after Jonas

  111. fred1266 says:

    Isn’t Jonas to similar to giroud but he probably won’t be bad for us but haven’t watched him much

  112. RA says:

    After reading the Terry Titmouse Post, I went straight out and bought myself a tight fitting pair of cycling shorts, ooo me googlies, an off pink pair of socks and a matching pair of braces with keenly cut six inch high heeled shoes, and a bendy telescope, as a token of my appreciation for my hero’s unique taste in kinky evening wear.

    It was a delight to meet several other similarly clothed Mancini look-a-likes, in his local pub, all of us standing like teapots, one hand on the left hip and the other extended like the spout of a watering can, it was a delightfully homologous pattern [no – that was ‘homologous’ you naughty boys] and yelling for Lord Terry to give us a wave. Glorious. 😀

    I remember my first meeting with Terry the Terrible. He was crouching down besides a late model sedan and I thought he was letting down the tires, but when I asked what the eff he was doing he said he was hot ???

    All became clear when the car moved off, and he with it — he was simply hiding in its shadow away from the sun, and the last I saw of him he was disappearing at a great rate of knots down Avenell Road ‘keeping cool’, and looking cute in his previously worn LB cycling pants. I never saw him again after that.

    AA should award him with some special medal of valour – he deserves it – even if he is a little weird. 😀

    Go Terry!!

  113. TotalArsenal says:

    Redders 😀😀🙃😅

  114. fatgingergooner says:

    Jonas is 32. Need I say anymore!?

  115. Ant says:

    Fred, have you booked your flight yet?

  116. Ant says:

    I see we (Chas and I) have a home draw in the League Cup

  117. fred1266 says:

    Not yet waiting for Champions League draw to see which games I rather watch

  118. JM says:

    2016-17 UEFA Champions League group stage draw:

    Pot 1:
    Real Madrid, Barcelona, Leicester City, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Benfica, Paris Saint-Germain, CSKA Moscow

    Pot 2:
    Atlético Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Arsenal, Manchester City, Sevilla, Porto, Napoli, Bayer Leverkusen

    Pot 3:
    Basel, Tottenham Hotspur, Dynamo Kyiv, Lyon, PSV Eindhoven, Sporting CP, Club Brugge, Borussia Mönchengladbach

    Pot 4:
    Celtic, Monaco, Beşiktaş, Legia Warsaw, Dinamo Zagreb, Ludogorets Razgrad(Bulgaria), Copenhagen, Rostov(Russia)

    – Arsenal can be drawn to a group with any team, other than Leicester and Tottenham, from Pots 1, 3 and 4. Draw will be held on 25 August, 5pm (UK time).

  119. chas says:

    Musta been coached out of him

  120. fatgingergooner says:

    Forest away in League Cup.

    Best case scenario in CL probably something like:

    Benfica
    Club Brugge
    Copenhagen

    Worst case:

    Any teams that involve lots of travelling

  121. Eddie says:

    fattie – celtic and legia warsaw are rubbish
    The worst case scenario would be Barcelona in any shape or form

  122. fatgingergooner says:

    Being linked with Lucas Perez of Deportivo this morning. 27 year old striker (28 in September). Reminds me a bit of David Villa. Not sure how true it is though as seems Everton might be in for him too.

    I’ve noticed that newspapers now seem to run stories based on something an ‘insider’ has tweeted about or a story that comes from foreign websites that have very little truth in them. Then because it’s in the Mail or Daily Star people start to think it’s legit even though it started from 1 tweet!

  123. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Those blokes in 7.27 look Spursy

    Young Kate ….. sigh

    7.34 Looks like Big Brian one of the Elders of our coven

  124. Big Raddy says:

    You know we will draw a German team. We always do.

    Juve would be interesting.

  125. fatgingergooner says:

    Eddie,

    Celtic are poor but they do have a really good home record. Best scenario is always poor teams with less travel involved. We always seem to play Barca or Bayern at some point so it would be nice to have a couple of ties against PSG or Real Madrid for a change. Be nice if we could top the group this year and sctually get to the last 8 at least!

  126. Eddie says:

    that Perez scored 17 La Liga goals in 36 appearances last season, but he is only £18m !! Bargain.

    Wenger is like me – I buy on sales in bulk, for example 21 linen t-shirts from Gap. The result – I have nothing to wear

  127. Eddie says:

    yes, we always get a good Krout team and Barca. That’s guaranteed.

    fattie – it would be nice to win it for once. Fat chance.

  128. Eddie says:

    omg, Farage joined forces with Trump in America!! god help us

  129. Big Raddy says:

    Worst case:

    BM, AM, Kiev, Rostok

  130. Big Raddy says:

    Eddie. Does that surprise you (Farage)?

  131. fatgingergooner says:

    BR,

    How can it be worse case if we aren’t in the group!? 😂

  132. Eddie says:

    raddy – surprise me – not. Scare the pants off me – definitely.

  133. fatgingergooner says:

    Eddie,

    If only Wenger did buy in bulk, then maybe we’d have some ST and CB and wouldn’t be sweating about the last week of the window! I must say it does make it more exciting this way though, not knowing who or even if anyone will be coming in. United fans may have Pogba and Ibra but they are probably bored of them already and moaning because Maureen isn’t signing anyone! 😂

  134. Big Raddy says:

    FGG 😀 😀

    Not enough coffee!

  135. Eddie says:

    fattie 🙂 I wonder what the Red Bejing has to say about that

  136. fatgingergooner says:

    Eddie,

    According to him he’s a Leicester fan since 2016! 😂

  137. fatgingergooner says:

    I see Chris Coleman has had a say on Ramsey’s injury. I wasn’t aware Wales paid Ramsey’s wages! What Arsenal choose to do with their players has nothing to do with Coleman or Wales.

  138. Big Raddy says:

    FGG. I guess Coleman was getting his revenge for AW’s comments about Ramsey & Wales last season

  139. fatgingergooner says:

    Probably right BR. The way I see it is that a club manager has every right to make comments about his own players and how they are used at club and International level as they pay their wages and had to pay for the player. The International managers shouldn’t be making comments about how the club uses the player as it’s got nothing to do with them. The only thing an International manager can really moan about is if the club are intentionally keeping the player from joining up with the international squads.

  140. Big Raddy says:

    Agree but on a quiet day what else can we talk about 🙂

    BTW Delighted FCK reached the CL League stage. I hope we draw them

  141. VP of Oz says:

    Can we measure success? All clubs would have KPI’s and be performance measured. So through the motivation of keeping boredom at a distance, I have set out to try to add value to various competitions and achievements. Obviously there are weightings but I have not included this. Weighting of an Arsenal who are expected to make top 4 vs. a LUFC who’s goal was to avoid relegation but won the title.

    So this is my list –

    100 Champions League Winner
    50 Champions League Runners Up
    90 EPL Champions
    1000 EPL Champions undefeated
    40 EPL Runners Up
    60 Champions League qualification (top 4)
    50 FA Cup Winner
    20 FA Cup Runners Up
    60 World Club Cup Winner
    40 World Club Cup runners up
    30 Charity Shield Winner
    30 League Cup Winner
    10 League Cup Runner Up
    30 Europa League qualification
    50 Europa Cup Winner
    20 Europa Cup runners up
    10 Avoiding Relegation
    -100 Relegation

    Other (not that I agree with some of these) –
    20 New Manager (out with the old and in with the new)
    20 New Player Transfers (only quality, 1st team signings)
    50 New Player Star Transfer (aka an Ozil, Sanchez)
    -50 New Player Star Transfer Flop
    80 Youth team player promoted into first squad turns into a star
    60 Striker scoring more than 20 goals
    70 FA Player of the year Player

    This way you can setup a table –
    2016 2015 2014
    Arsenal 130
    Manure
    ManShitty
    Spuds
    LUFC
    LFC
    Etc.

    And that’s about as far as I plan to go until next year maybe.

  142. Big Raddy says:

    Interesting VP.

    I predict a few long nights working that one out

  143. Gööner In Exile says:

    £200m in bank…..profit £20m a season, think that’s going up because of TV Money? Well considering away fans tickets frozen/reduced to £35 for all our games and home ticket prices can’t go up, and players will take majority of extra TV money in improved contracts just how much should know we spend?

  144. chas says:

    £200m?
    Maybe £180m in case we don’t get in CL next season.

    Supposing you were Arsenal’s accountant, how much would you advise?

  145. chas says:

    How much has been spent so far?
    60-70m including wages?

  146. fatgingergooner says:

    I think I remember predicting we would spend about £70-£80m this transfer window on new signings (transfer fee only) and Eddie laughed at me! 😂

    Where are we at now? According to transfer league (cool website) we are £40.8m. So if we do end up with a CB and a ST I reckon I won’t be far off.

  147. fatgingergooner says:

    Interestingly they say we paid £5m for Asano. It’s easy to say we’ve just signed him for shirt sales but I really like the look of this lad. Very Eduardo like in his finishing. Not seen much of him obviously but I will keep an eye on where he goes on loan and see how he does.

  148. RC78 says:

    I would like to see:
    PSG – Arsenal – Brugges – Copenhagen

    That would be great with Arsenal and PSG going through 🙂
    BUT

    I think PSG will get Sevilla and Arsenal will get Real Madrid

  149. LB says:

    Every snippet of film showing Asano makes him look like a very exciting prospect.

  150. chas says:

    Spot the AA blogger?

  151. GoonerB says:

    Afternoon all

    Chas I reckon the intense looking Kramer look a like fellow to the left is some chap from Nottingham in his younger days.

  152. GunnerN5 says:

    I just had a horrid thought, one that Arsenal fans would never be allowed to forget or live down.

    What if Spurs were to win the CL before Arsenal??

    I’ve got to go – I feel sick to the stomach.

    😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦

  153. GoonerB says:

    GIE, how much should we spend?….if it is a top proven striker an awful lot. I still maintain we dithered and procrastinated prior to this summer, most notably last summer, and now realise we left the top striker purchase a summer too late. Last years prices would look a bargain this summer, and not so many big teams were moving for the top forwards. AW’s, Gazidkis and Stans fault so they should just swallow it and pay what is needed now admitting they have left it 12-18 months too late.

    I still maintain we likely only need one big outlay in the next 3-4 TW’s (due to AW’s ability to still spot the bargains meaning we are in good shape across 90% of the squad) so why not do it in one hit. AW seems to me to be a man that is still at the head of the queue spotting the potentially top players at a lower price but looks dreadful when it comes to the negotiation for top proven players. It should be taken out of his hands with all this value for money e.t.c when it comes to that level of player. All he needs to do is persuade that player that THOF is where they should be and leave others to the pricing.

    What is value for money or market value for a modern top footballer anyway? I still think you need to factor in the increased merchandising as a spin off anyway and also that it keeps the other top players happy at the club that we at least look like we are being ambitious. If a big signing gets Ozil and Sanchez signing on the dotted line then that is an extra value for money IMO.

    On that note I would add to VP’s scoring system a -80 for being unable to keep your top players at the club…just to balance it out. Hasn’t happened yet but……

  154. Big Raddy says:

    I got 11. Missed out two AFC players!!

  155. Big Raddy says:

    12.16. Rabbit fur collar parkas. De rigueur.

    The kids at the front all have similar noses – could they be Vines?

  156. Jeremy O Dwyer says:

    I think I’d quite like:

    Juventus
    Arsenal
    PSV
    Celtic

    Big name teams that we haven’t played a lot and still a decent chance to get through to the next round.

  157. Gööner In Exile says:

    GoonerB and sad to say also increased cost related to it.

    It’s simply not as easy as buying one in and expecting his cost to be paid back in merchandise, that merchandise (for which he will probably entitled to a share) will just replace the players merchandise who has fallen out of favour. Fans do not spend more money on merch for a new acquisition they spend what they were going to except they may be spending on N Signing rather than Ozil. Therefore no extra revenue.

    We cleared three off wage bill this year, Flamster, Rosicky, Arteta and now Campbell, but we have already added Holding and Granit, we probably have space for one more. What about the squad? Anyone looked to see where we are at CHG, HG, Foreign?

  158. Gööner In Exile says:

    Rubbish 7/20 on top scorer quiz and like Raddy missed to AFC players….not surprising which ones they are dead to me 😀

  159. VP of Oz says:

    GoonerB, -80 for being unable to keep your top players. But Southampton are in constant turn-over and still churning out good results and new players.

  160. VP of Oz says:

    Thanks GIE, I was embarrassed to say that I could only get 6, I just went blank. And although I picked him, I was still surprised to see him in 2nd place.

  161. GunnerN5 says:

    I got all 20 in the correct sequence.

    But only because I have my own spreadsheet………

  162. GoonerB says:

    I don’t know GIE. I agree it is not quite as simple as costs being justified purely by an increase in merchandising but similarly I don’t think football can be considered in quite so black and white terms as new player just replaces other players name on shirt, so in essence we are in status quo with turnover but just with more outgoings on new expensive player x.

    Football seems a far different and more emotional business to me than most others. It operates in a worldwide market place so is not just about little johnny from Finchley getting his new shirt each year regardless, and then just choosing which name to have on it. It seems to me that the worldwide emotion and excitement needs to be tapped into to attract new fans and sponsors that say “wow look at what is happening there, exciting times, I want a bit of that”.

    New top players, and more importantly them providing that extra bit that helps win titles e.t.c are what facilitates this IMO, and this is what I feel is a big factor in what drives the turnover up. Ambitious successful clubs are always a more attractive prospect to big sponsors and new worldwide football fans deciding where to place their allegiances.

    Steady Eddies will still have a certain appeal but for how long. It seems to me that Arsene uses more basic black and white financial and economic principles in how he attributes value to players and I feel that hinders us when it comes to those players that look to be in that far higher bracket in costs. I do however believe that most clubs that go this route and manage the initial higher cost have been proven to reap the benefits in financial gain down the line.

    We don’t even have to go as mad as Chelsea or Citeh did in their early renaissance years due to our already big club status and squad strength we enjoy, but I don’t see why we can’t just surprise everyone with a one off every now and then, especially if the potential rewards are great.

  163. GoonerB says:

    VP, so we are aiming to replicate Southampton in all aspects, or are we a different animal entirely from them, complete with different agenda’s, goals and expectations?

  164. GoonerB says:

    BTW, I am still open to Arsene finding the option at lower cost if it can be done. Is this Perez an interesting consideration? It will be risky for Arsene if we go that route though and he only turns out to be decently average rather than the higher level of guarantee the most expensive players will give.

  165. VP of OZ says:

    GoonerB, I regard Southampton as similar to the way we were when we were regarded as a selling club to pay of our stadium. The difference being that they seem to have embraced this as their culture, a get them in, build them up, sell them off production line. It seems to be working for them, it’s very dynamic but I don’t think it’s sustainable. I prefer the way we are now but respect how Southampton are managing their player churn rate and making it work for them.
    I’m typing this on my mobile and it is so hard to do. Anyway I’m wrapped in a very warm electric blanket. Goodnight.

  166. RC78 says:

    Sturridge wants to play ST at Liverpool but is not sure it will happen. Shall AW make a move for him? I would like him to do so because even with his injury history, he knocks in a minimum of 10-15 goals per season and racks up a few assist.

    If fit, he is IMHO, the best English finisher – better than Kane, Rooney, Vardy, Walcott and Wellbeck.

    I would take a 45 Mln Sturridge over a 17 Mln Lopez any days…

  167. Gööner In Exile says:

    Hi GoonerB….how much more potential income is out there?

    Our Revenue puts us 7th in the World, behind two EPL clubs, ManUre & Man City (the second’s revenue was somewhat boosted by a great sponsorship deal with their owners other company Etihad) Barca, Madrid, PSG and Munich. The fact that we are only €80m behind ManUre a side with ridiculous income from years of worldwide fandom is actually quite impressive bearing in mind it’s come from natural growth and is a fairly recent improvement thanks to the reduced deals we were forced to strike to receive the bulk of cash upfront to fund the stadium.

  168. GoonerB says:

    Interesting GIE. How is it that Man Utd can seemingly spend (or at least be willing to spend) significantly more than us. I ask that as a genuine accounts query as it is not my area of expertise.

    I still feel that within the last 2 years we could have pushed the boat out on that 1 player as a one off without going all Madrid and Galactico on a regular basis. Not having done so I feel is more down to choice and principles than ability to do so and I think it has been the wrong approach.

    I say this as someone who doesn’t believe that spending all over the place is the answer to everything, as I truly believe there are other issues undermining us as well, but I do think it is a largish piece of the jigsaw that has been missing.

  169. GoonerB says:

    VP, I too respect Southampton and yes I do believe we were in a very similar situation to them during our main austere seasons. It is testament to Wenger how he kept us at the top during that phase. However the word phase is apt because Southampton are always likely to have to operate this way while for us it was, or should have been, temporary.

    We are in a new and different phase now where we are totally different to them. We should emulate some of what they do but should act like one of the biggest big clubs in the world on the right occasions. I believe we started to embrace the new phase and then weirdly put the handbrake on it from about 18 months back. I also believe we have let those occasions to act like one of the biggest clubs come and go which is now giving top players pause for thought as to what we are about and where we are going.

    Goodnight and sleep tight VP 🙂

  170. GoonerB says:

    Sorry Terry. Because I was not around I haven’t thanked you for a great post. The style and grammar were marvelous, and I am sure your p.c’s spell check got a thorough working out 🙂

    The only thing I can say is I feel, that given the choice, you would leave everything to Arsene…what to eat for breakfast, how to spend your money, how to chat up women, when and how to indulge in a bit of nudge nudge wink wink, what nights are appropriate for cross-dressing…yes Terry…I think if you left everything to Arsene you would be a very happy man 🙂

  171. fred1266 says:

    Pool probably would never sell us a player after that Suarez debacle also sturridge always injured so would probably fill in fine lol

  172. fatgingergooner says:

    Transfers starting to hot up. Valencia just signed a CB which could finally see the Mustafi deal done. Fingers crossed as I’d really like him to come. Also rumours of Lucas from Deportivo. Looks a decent player although not sure he’s the 25 goal a season man we were looking for so looks like Giroud still plan A with this lad as a quicker, more mobile option for certain games. Giroud has been playing too many games and his scoring record suffers because of it. No reason Giroud can’t get his 20 goals in 35 games instead of 50 if he’s fit and fresh for games. Hopefully this lad can then chip in with 10/15 goals of his own and suddenly we are far more productive up front.

  173. Bryan says:

    Lord have mercy, “we take Arsene for granted”

    The guy has won 2 F.A cups in 12 years & we had 10 of winning nothing, sorry but fed up of hearing such cack.

    he gets us in CL every year but we can’t compete to win it = pointless.

    Wenger was once a great manager but he does not seem to of moved with the times, he just baffles me now.

    I don’t get how any gooner can be happy with our situation.

  174. GunnerN5 says:

    Bryan,

    Conversely some of us don’t get how some gooners are unhappy?

  175. RC78 says:

    If Mustafi and L. Rodriguez join, it would be an “OK” transfer window. Nothing stellar though….AW needs to get us Aubemayang but I would settle for Sturridge or Merteens 🙂

    Cech – Bellerin, Mustafi, Kos, Monreal – Ramsey, Xhaka – Ozil – Sanchez, Sturridge, Ox

    Ospina – Jenks, BFG, Gabs, Gibbs – El Neny, Wilshere, Cazorla – Walcott, Giroud, Iwobi

  176. TotalArsenal says:

    FGG, I have always said Arsene is looking for an attacker who can add 10-15 PL goals per season, and that is the sort of player Lucas is. The 25 goals per season CF makes us too dependent on that one super attacker. Spread the goals between Alexis, Ollie, Theo, Danny and Lucas? Sounds like it could happen..

  177. Bryan says:

    GunnerN5,

    so you are happy to not challenge to win the EPL or the CL each season.

    you are happy to just get CL place each year but know we are incapable of winning it.

    so you are happy to be told we moved to a new stadium to challenge but it looks like we have changed our mind about challenging now.

  178. Eddie says:

    Bryan – who said we take Arsenal for granted?

    I am in your camp, ie Wenger had great past and worked miracles on a shoe string budget. But now for whatever reason he insists on going into a season after season with a very thin squad and then when the injuries hit we cannot compete with other very rich clubs.

    It might be that that is the job objective – spend less, but try to achieve more, who knows. But this situation cannot continue, he loses his credibility fast. Just as well he is getting old and will have to retire at some point otherwise Kroenke would keep his favourite money making machine forever.

    CL is never pointless – great entertainment plus £20m+ qualifying money. We don’t want to play footy on Thursdays, do we

  179. Bryan says:

    Eddie

    reads it again not Arsenal, Arsene 🙂

  180. Bryan says:

    Eddie

    To me as a fan CL money is useless, they don’t give it to us, they don’t use it for making transfers, they don’t reduce our ticket prices.
    I like to believe we have a chance of winning a competition were in so still pointless to me.
    _____________________________________________________

    I find it a worrying trend that this lack of ambition that is coming from Arsenal football club is rubbing off on a lot of our fans.

    No fan should be happy with our lack of success for the big prizes since 2004.

    Not one big club would still have the same manager if he had not won anything in 2-3 years let alone 10 years.
    Even if he had won loads before that.

    I like Wenger he was brilliant & he has done loads for the club but he can’t live off that forever.

  181. Eddie says:

    Bryan – I couldn’t agree more with you.

    I had a fully fledged fight on this blog a few days ago with all the Wengerites who would tell you that things are not that bad. For me, the fan they are THAT bad.

    In the past I couldn’t wait for the start of the new season and new hopes, I always tried to go to the first game of the season, including last year. Thank G I didn’t bother this year. And generally I am losing interest – I know we will play some exciting footy, fight for the place in the top 4, go 2 more stages in the CL and if we are very lucky we might win the CL or the FA cup.

    And that is not enough for the club as big as the AFC by anybody’s standards.

  182. Big Raddy says:

    Well, I disagree.

    Who says that any AFC fan (or AW or the BoD) are happy with not winning the PL for 10+ years?

    What you are doing is simplifying things in order to create two differing factions. The reality is that all AFC fans want us to win the PL but some (the majority) want AFC to play entertain football and have a chance of winning titles. This we do consistently.

  183. Big Raddy says:

    Bloody hell, this draw is going to take forever

  184. Eddie says:

    Raddy – Bryan and I amongst many somehow dissatisfied Arsenal fans can do NOTHING about improving our Clubs chances of winning major trophies.

    Wenger can do something about it, but he is not doing it.
    I know you are going to say that buying expensive players does not guarantee success and I happen to agree with you about it.

    But given what we already have and adding some steel to the team would hugely improve our chances. If we still didn’t win any major trophies then we would start doubting Wenger, could you blame us?

    I am happy for you to enjoy your footy and 4th spot, nothing wrong with it. But it aint enugh for me.

  185. TotalArsenal says:

    It has been a while since we finished fourth, Eddie. If you had not noticed we have moved on: second last year and two shiny FA cups at the THOF to be admired in just the last three years. You and that Bryan fellow better keep up! 🙂

  186. Eddie says:

    Raddy – what else have you got to do? you don’t even have a dog to walk anymore. Sit and wait 🙂

  187. Hey we’re going to Patis 😃

  188. Big Raddy says:

    Spurs got lucky. Easy group for them

  189. chas says:

    I love Patis in the spring.

  190. RC78 says:

    PSG is with Arsenal 🙂

    If we get Brugges and Copenhagen, then it is perfect 🙂

  191. Eddie says:

    never mind Patis!!!!! No Barca!!!!!!!! Shitty have them 🙂

  192. Eddie says:

    basel and….

  193. Eddie says:

    the horseface….grrrhhhh

  194. Eddie says:

    ha ha ha, I won’t be surprised if bloody Leicester win their group 🙂

  195. GunnerN5 says:

    Group A: Paris Saint-Germain, Arsenal, FC Basel, Ludogorets

  196. Big Raddy says:

    Happy with that. We should finish 2nd with a chance of 1st.

    Shame we didn’t draw FCK

  197. fatgingergooner says:

    Switzerland, Bulgaria and France. Not bad travel wise and 2 exciting fixtures against PSG. Basel should be good games too. Don’t think Ludogarets are that bad.

    I’m pretty sure we have decent fixtures after CL ties this year so happy with draw.

  198. Big Raddy says:

    Roberto Carlos looks like he works with Tony Montana in Scarface

  199. Big Raddy says:

    Celtic must be optimistic

  200. GunnerN5 says:

    Group A: Paris Saint-Germain, Arsenal, FC Basel, Ludogorets

    Group B: Benfica, Napoli, Dynamo Kiev, Besiktas

    Group C: Barcelona, Man City, Borussia Monchengladbach, Celtic

    Group D: Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid, PSV Eindhoven, FC Rostov

    Group E: CSKA Moscow, Bayer Leverkusen, Tottenham, Monaco

    Group F: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Sporting Lisbon, Legia Warsaw

    Group G: Leicester City, FC Porto, Club Brugge, FC Copenhagen

    Group H: Juventus, Sevilla, Lyon, Dinamo Zagreb

  201. JM says:

    UCL Group tables (in full):

    Group A : PSG, Arsenal, Basel, Ludogorets

    Group B : Benfica, Napoli, Dynamo Kyiv, Beşiktaş

    Group C : Barcelona, Man. City, Mönchengladbach, Celtic

    Group D : Bayern, Atlético, PSV, Rostov

    Group E : CSKA Moskva, Leverkusen, Tottenham, Monaco

    Group F : Real Madrid, Dortmund, Sporting CP, Legia

    Group G : Leicester, Porto, Club Brugge, København

    Group H : Juventus, Sevilla, Lyon, Dinamo Zagreb

    *Thierry Henry picked Arsenal in the 4th try during draw for Pot 2 teams, while Ian Rush helped placed us into Group A. Clarence Seedorf, Ruud van Nistelrooy and Roberto Carlos were others involved with the draw for other team Pots 1,3 and 4.

    *Arsene Wenger revisits France with our team again in group stage, this time against PSG.

    *Meanwhile, Elneny and Xhaka shall visit their old team, Basel.

    *Anyone fancy a trip to Ludogorets, Bulgaria? (what are the available traveling options/ hotel and inn stays etc)

    *Pep Guardiola fated to engage his former team Barcelona with his newest team Man City.

    *Tottenham collects a one-way ticket trip to Moscow.

    *Leicester has it easy first time round with Porto, Club Brugge and København in the same group.

  202. fatgingergooner says:

    BR,

    That Spurs group is tough. Leverkusen and Monaco are no mugs plus going to Russia is never easy. They could struggle with that.

  203. JM says:

    Lastly, Cristiano Ronaldo wins the UEFA Best Player in Europe Award for 2015/16. Not much surprise.

  204. Big Raddy says:

    FGG. Easy. We would top that group with 18 points
    Same with LCFC’s group

  205. Oh dear, do we feel sorry for Man City? ……..not a chance 😃

  206. Big Raddy says:

    JM. Let’s be honest Ronaldo was by far the best player in the world last season.

  207. RC78 says:

    Good draw for PSG and Arsenal – will be great

  208. TotalArsenal says:

    That Leicester group is harder than you think. Their fans will expect them to beat the Danes and Belgians so the pressure is on them from the start… no hiding or excuses for them. Would not be surprised if only Arsenal and MC make it through to the next round… and the Foxes and Spuds play Spursday night football after Christmas 🙂

  209. LB says:

    Hmmm, not a bad draw and as Slim says above Valencia have just signed a CB which should mean that the Musafi saga will be put to bed in the very near future.

    I was looking at Lucas’ reel on youtube. I know that you have to take anything on there with a huge pinch of salt but you can get an impression and the impression I got was that he is left footed and plays similar to Vardy.

    I am not sure how seriously to take this. It makes sense that Everton have put in a bid for him but it does smack of Depor needing another name to drive up the price and who better to help achieve that than the inclusion of the name Arsenal.

    Seems pretty good though, 20 mill release clause.

  210. Jeremy O Dwyer says:

    Through habit I was looking to see what United’s typically easy group would be but then remembered they’re not in it. 🙂

  211. ……….the same with Chelsea lol

  212. TotalArsenal says:

    Yeah and who did the Chavs draw hahaha 😀

  213. TotalArsenal says:

    Peaches… same minds and all that 🙂

  214. GunnerN5 says:

    Wait a minute Both Chelsea and Man U have done exactly what the AW dissenters wish for – they have spent oodles of cash on players and where has it got them – are you reading Bryan??

  215. fred1266 says:

    Haha good one TA

  216. Big Raddy says:

    We would top the LCFC group with at least 18 points, probably more.

  217. Big Raddy says:

    I would love to go to the PSG game. Anyone know how I could get tickets without having any away day points?

  218. Eddie says:

    GN5 – pleeeeaze don’t do that.
    This is since we last won the league – ManU 5 times and Chelsea 4 times.

    2016 Leicester City
    2015 Chelsea FC
    2014 Manchester City
    2013 Manchester United
    2012 Manchester City
    2011 Manchester United
    2010 Chelsea FC
    2009 Manchester United
    2008 Manchester United
    2007 Manchester United
    2006 Chelsea FC
    2005 Chelsea FC

    If we won the league 4 times in the last 12 years I wouldn’t mind if we finished 17th the following year.

  219. fatgingergooner says:

    Lots of rumours of bids being accepted tonight for Perez (£17m) and Mustafi (£35m)!

    If true that takes us to around £92m spent. Not on the right players I would imagine will be the complaint.

  220. TotalArsenal says:

    Eddie, forget about the past and live in the here and now baby. Arsene is even splashing the cash for you it seems… 🙂

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37185258

  221. LB says:

    Why don’t we know any ticket touts, I want to buy a ticket for the Watford game.

  222. fatgingergooner says:

    If we end up with Mustafi, Holding, Xhaka, Nwakali, Asano, Perez then how’s the window been?

  223. Eddie says:

    LB – we do, is our Peaches 🙂

    TA – you want to lay of ganja. it might be ligit in Holland, but it’s not in this country.

  224. fred1266 says:

    United, PSG and Bourne mouth

    Or

    West ham, Basel and stoke

    Looking to come to England for one set of games

    Which would you choose

  225. fatgingergooner says:

    Has to be United, PSG, Bournemouth.

  226. fred1266 says:

    OK was thinking that but a partner telling me Basel is a really beautiful place so wasn’t sure which o should go

  227. fatgingergooner says:

    Manchester is just as beautiful 😂

    If you’re going for the football then first 3, if you’re going for games we might win and good place to visit then last 3!

  228. fatgingergooner says:

    Sky saying Perez medical due and Mustafi deal close! Good news.

    I would say it’s been a good window. Quality upgrades at CB and DM which we really needed plus future CB brought in too. Not quite as exciting going forward but if Perez scores goals then don’t care how much he costs or who he is.

    To put in context we will have made our 3rd, 4th and 6th biggest transfers of all time in 1 window.

  229. GunnerN5 says:

    Eddie,

    They are 2 out of the 3 wealthiest teams in the PL and yet neither are in this years CL even after outspending every club other than Man C.

    Great forward planning don’t you think?

    2015/16
    Arsenal 2nd
    Man C 4th
    Man U 5th
    Chelsea 10th.

    What an embarrassment for them and their supporters- the 3 biggest spending teams in the PL were all outwitted by AW.

  230. TotalArsenal says:

    Fred, Basel is indeed very beautiful and possibly a bit safer at the moment than Paris. West Ham and Stoke are both London based games and you have more of a chance to witness victories, which goes a long way if you do not see the mighty red and white live a lot…

    I have been told Basel do a very good Christmas market in December, and if that is the sort of thing for your partner and/or yourself, you may want to give that a go. 🙂

  231. TotalArsenal says:

    Eddie, what the heck is ganja? The club is about to splash the cash, you must be sooo happy right now?! 😉

  232. LB says:

    Apparently his friends call him Lucas, if he signs tomorrow he will definitely be my friend.

  233. LB says:

    Doesn’t spending 100 mil guarantee you winning the league?

  234. TotalArsenal says:

    I can see Wenger unzipping his coat every time we score showing off his T-shirt saying ‘I spent some fecking £100m – happy now?!’

  235. fred1266 says:

    Would tickets be hard to get for the Manchester game

  236. GunnerN5 says:

    West Ham knocked out of the Thursday league by Romanian giants Astra Giurgiu.

  237. chas mobile says:

    Disgraceful FKW behaviour…..

  238. fatgingergooner says:

    £100m is it enough? Some Twitter fans now saying we should’ve bought a month ago to save 5 points and would’ve got Mustafi cheaper! Oh, the irony. Plus, Lucas is a second rate striker even though haven’t seen him play!

    Our fans are ace.

    I’m very excited about our new arrivals (fingers crossed all goes through) and cannot wait to see them in the red and white. This season just got interesting!

  239. fred1266 says:

    Thanks for the info TA, last year was the first year I visited only got to see the Sunderland game that time, I trying to go me the first set of fixture and if I don’t get tickets then would do the second set

    NB the PSG game is at the Emirates

  240. fatgingergooner says:

    Akpom, Sanogo and Chambers to go out on loan? Or maybe keep Chambers with the squad as he can play RB and get rid of Debuchy? Then Chambo out on loan in Jan when Jenks is back.

  241. fred1266 says:

    Debuchy is a better right back than chambers IMO , was curious about the holding buy since chambers is being groomed as a CB so don’t think anyone should go out on loan especially with our injury record

  242. GoonerB says:

    Evening all. Not a bad champions league draw. Best in a few years. Totts were jammy buggers to get what they did from pool 3.

    Going middle of the road as I normally do I agree that it is a bit silly of fans to write off these (still potential) signings before having a good look. I do however get some of their feelings that we should have gone in big for a top striker at some point over the last 2-3 years and that this could be perceived as settling for second best. At 27 where has he been all our lives.

    I still believe that we cocked up the Suarez thing and we would have won 2 titles by now if we had secured him. Also I still maintain that Wenger should have got his top striker last summer. A big bid then would have got us someone high calibre and at a price that would have looked a bargain this summer.

    Having said that if we do get Perez I will be excited to see how he fares in the red and white. Some players mature later (Drogba for instance). His goal stats are not bad in one of the best leagues, and at a club with less talent and creativity than ours, so there is a good chance this will improve by some margin.

    Also he is a lefty that seems to like working the wide channels often coming in from the right. Could work well with Walcott coming inside him and dovetailing into the CF position. Doesn’t look lightning quick but seems more pacy than Ollie. A reasonable size and physique and looks to be a very good link up player with his stats on assists and chances created.

    He could be what is required to get us that rotating front 3 with the 2 wing forwards alternating between wide and up front with a striker that is happy to move out of the central area. Many boxes are ticked when you add it all together with Perez so I for one will just embrace it and see how it pans out…..doesn’t seem like we have any alternative anyway.

  243. fatgingergooner says:

    GB,

    How many of the fans that are writing him off were hoping we’d sign Vardy? A 29 year old who’s had 1 great season in the PL. The lad may well prove to be a top striker just as much as he could prove to be a flop, so best to give him a chance. As I said earlier, from video I’ve seen he does remind me of David Villa. If he’s half as good then I’ll be happy.

  244. VP of Oz says:

    Looks like we might have another striker signed up –
    Maradona spotted wearing Arsenal kit in Buenos Aires
    http://www.express.co.uk/pictures/sport/7570/Maradona-spotted-wearing-Arsenal-kit-sportgalleries/Diego-Maradona-161064

  245. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Mustafi is only 6´0″ tall, not even Germany’s first choice CB and only 3 years older than Chambers and Holding.

    What a waste of money (if we sign him) 😀

  246. chas says:

  247. chas says:

    Morning, BR, didn’t see you there for a second.

  248. chas says:

    Have you spoken to West Ham Bob, BR?

  249. Morning, could it be an exciting day? A striker and CB coming? Neither players are particularly awesome but we know that once they don the red and white they will be 😃😃😃

  250. Big Raddy says:

    Yes, I have but not about WHU. Our team Malmo FF are TotL in Sweden

  251. Big Raddy says:

    7.19 Kevin Campbell vs ??

  252. Eddie says:

    Raddy – what???? Wenger signed a player that nobody has ever heard of and who is not even his country’s first choice?? No way, I don’t believe that. He wouldn’t do that knowing that we need top class players to take us to next level.

    LB – like everything else in life – money isn’t everything but it makes everything easier in life. How many times did Chavs or blue Manc win the league before the greasy money started pouring in?

    GN5 – I am sure the fans of those clubs were not too happy. But measures were taken immediately to put it right. Both clubs changed the manager, bought good players, will be in the CL next season, defo.

    We are beginning to be an embarrassment. Huge club like Arsenal cannot win the league no matter what. I am not even going to mention the champions league – we will never win it. And I don’t know why. Why can’t we win big trophies anymore?? Why are we told to be happy with our lot and be ecstatic with the first 4 finish?

    I know I am wasting my time talking to you lot, but you won’t shut me up 🙂

    TA – what is ganja? shit that you smoke before putting happy clappy comments on here

  253. Eddie says:

    to all dog lovers – this story will make you smillllle away

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37182207

  254. chas says:

    Eddie
    I saw this and thought of you. 🙂

  255. fatgingergooner says:

    A young Granit! He and Elneny will be loving the CL draw I imagine.

    Hard to get excited about defensive players but Mustafi and Xhaka for £70m is a big investment and I imagine a big improvement on what we already have in those positions. I would also say Perez is a huge improvement on Sanogo and Akpom who are our current alternatives to Giroud.

    Cech – Ospina – Martinez
    Bellerin – Jenkinson – Debuchy
    Mustafi – Mertersacker – Holding
    Koscielny – Gabriel – Chambers
    Monreal – Gibbs
    Xhaka – Coquelin
    Cazorla – Elneny – Wilshere
    Walcott – Ox – Gnabry
    Sanchez – Iwobi – JRA
    Özil – Ramsey
    Giroud – Perez – Welbeck – Akpom

  256. Eddie says:

    it could be me 🙂

    last week I was driving my new car. They were some traffic works with no lights, meaning that all the cars from the opposite direction were driving freely and I was stuck there like a plum from some rotten home made wine waiting.

    In the end I took off and met half way with an RR half way. One of us had to back off. Both refused.#

    And then I saw a nutter on the bike, there is always one. I knew he will interfere. And he did. He came over to my car and started shouting something. I turned the radio full blast so I could not hear him. He started banging on my new car pushing the mirror backwards!!!

    I got off the car and picked up his bike. He just stopped me from throwing the fecking thing on the roadworks heap.

    He quickly drove off. Yeah, I can go mad all right.

  257. Big Raddy says:

    I love the “Eddie gets angry” stories 😀

  258. TotalArsenal says:

    Me too Raddy 😂

  259. Eddie says:

    Raddy – I don’t love those stories.
    I don’t want to get angry, I want others to leave me alone. But they see a middle aged woman and think I am an easy target. And that is what gets me going mad

    That twat on the bike would NEVER in a million years do that to another bloke. Well, he will think again before he takes on a middle aged woman in the future. Prick.

  260. TotalArsenal says:

    What a squad if it comes through, FGG. If Gooners are still unhappy after this they should really consider staying away from our club for a long time.

  261. Big Raddy says:

    Eddie. Someone needs to fight for middle -aged women’s rights, perhaps you should start a movement.

    You are right about the cyclist – would never happen here but some cyclists in London are extremely aggressive and have no understanding of how a traffic light system works.

  262. Big Raddy says:

    BTW we had two players called up to the England U-21 squad and they are both CB’s 🙂

  263. Eddie says:

    do you know this man? He is a cyclist that picks on middle aged women, but does a runner when they stand up to him. Utter tool

  264. mickydidit89 says:

    Oh my days
    My morning just gets better and better

    Content Arsenal fans are Happy Clappies and now a picture of the offending bicyclist (what a knob he looks)

    Eddie, you are a star

  265. Eddie says:

    I am, it has to be said 🙂
    Sadly, that also qualifies me for a straight jacket.

    he had a gray, greasy pony tail, that on its own deserves good kicking

  266. Big Raddy says:

    Face fungus, pony tail, reflector sunglasses, stupid cap and lycra. As you rightly say, the man needs a shoeing.

  267. chas mobile says:

    That geezer on the bike looks a bit like me with my new beard.
    I was thinking of going ponytail as well

  268. chas mobile says:

    I love my mirror shades too.

  269. RC78 says:

    Lucas Perez – quick profile
    -> Strengths: Long shots, passing
    -> Weaknesses: Aerial challenges, defensive contribution
    -> Late bloomer who has seen lower division in Spain, then first division in Greece and then first division in Spain with Deportivo
    -> Can play Left Forward, CF or second striker
    -> He is lefty
    -> Not a pacy striker but rather strong and with good link-up play
    -> Better than Sanogo but not sure if it is an upgrade on Giroud
    -> Overall rating of this purchase: B- as it is not an upgrade on Giroud

    My gut feeling is that AW may pull one more out of the hat or that he is seeing our Nigerian boys (Iwobi, Nwakali) and Akpom as CF

    I would urge AW to still acquire one more FW but that adds pace and ideally, he would go for Merteens (Belgian international playing in Napoli).

    Mustafi is also on h is way
    -> Overall rating of this purchase: B+ – an upgrade on BFG but still not a world class CB.

    Probable starting XI for AW when all are fit:

    4-2-1-3:
    Cech – Bellerin, MUSTAFI, Kos, Monreal – Ramsey, XHAKA – Ozil – Sanchez, Giroud, Ox

    or 4-3-1-2:
    Cech – Bellerin, MUSTAFI, Kos, Monreal – Ramsey, XHAKA, Cazorla – Ozil – Sanchez, Giroud

    Would be fun to watch line-up: 3-4-1-2
    Cech – Mustafi, BFG, Kos – Bellerin, Ramsey, Xhaka, Ox – Ozil – Sanchez, Giroud

  270. Eddie says:

    chas – Rasp lent me his chain saw and mentioned you visiting me in the process 🙂 I strongly advice you against it.

    Raddy – and the whole thing had nothing to do with him. Me and the other driver refused to reverse to let the other go (I was right, on the right side of the road, waited for a long time, etc…..). I swear, as soon as I saw the div on the bike I knew he was going to get involved. I recognise them a mile away!

    I only saw the pony tail when he decided he’d better run away from the nutter (me).

  271. RC78 says:

    http://www.footmercato.net/premier-league/transferts/arsenal-l-ahurissante-gestation-du-transfert-de-lucas-perez_185132

    For those who speak French – basically an article saying that our scouts deemed “Lucas Perez” not good enough for our club in the past months. As a result – he is seen as a panic buy from AW.

  272. VP of Oz says:

    So from the 37 players nominated for UEFA’s Best Player –
    3 from Leicester
    2 from Chelsea
    2 from Spuds
    1 from ManC
    1 from West Ham
    1 from PSG/Manure
    and 1 from Wigan FFS!

    Sad…

  273. LB says:

    How did I end up supporting a club in which supporters can right off two players, not only before they have signed but before they have even seen them play. I suppose it supports the media’s need to keep beating us with a stick. In a way I can sort of understand it from the media but why do some supporters help them by repeating such negativity?

  274. RC78 says:

    LB – just sharing news and profiles gathered from various sites.

    Let us see what Perez can bring to the table and let us hope he is a sustainable major hit for us.

  275. VP of OZ says:

    LB maybe the fans are upset because they want us to sign the players on Piers Moron’s Twitter list…

  276. RC78 says:

    Suarez – Griezzman – Vidal – Pique -> Not a bad list

    Who would be your top 4 players (1 per line):

    Defense – Segio Ramos
    Midfield – Busquets
    Attacking Mid – Willian
    Forward – Suarez or Griezzmann

    Cech – Bellerin, RAMOS, Kos, Monreal – Xhaka, BUSQUETS – Ozil – WILLIAN, SUAREZ, Sanchez

    I would take Willian because of his work rate. He is good going forward and is keen to protect his back four as well. Bale would also have been a good option.

    Back-up choice:
    Defense – Varane or Garay
    Midfield – Pogba
    Attacking – Bale
    Forward – Lewandowski

  277. Rasp says:

    He doesn’t look too shabby to me 🙂

  278. GunnerN5 says:

    Rasp.

    I watched that video earlier this morning and was pleased to see that many of his goals were from a long distance – let’s hope that skill is not coached out of him. He also showed good pace and ball skills.

  279. Big Raddy says:

    RC. Bale’s power in the air make a a must.

  280. RC78 says:

    BR – true, it is a big asset

  281. fred1266 says:

    Agree with BR mustafi is a waste, we could have easy gotten William for less. Also where Gabriel fits in

  282. fatgingergooner says:

    Cech
    Bellerin THIAGO SILVA Koscielny Monreal
    Xhaka KROOS
    BALE Özil Sanchez
    SUAREZ

    Messi and Ronaldo obviously but it’s too easy to pick those.

  283. fatgingergooner says:

    32 year old Williams or 24 year old Mustafi?

    I’m glad we got Mustafi otherwise we would have to be buying another CB next year

  284. RC78 says:

    FGG – Kross is a class act indeed. I also hesitated with Rakitic and Modric.

  285. GoonerB says:

    Don’t know I fully agree with that FGG. A ready made no nonsense commanding experienced EPL defender with 2 good seasons in him could have been just what we needed. Hit the ground running so to speak rather than said player coming good after a few months and a few dropped points to allow for this. Those 2 seasons give some breathing space for the development of Holding, Chambers and Gabriel.

    In 2 years it may have worked out that we didn’t need to buy to replace Williams. A 24 year old that needs some acclimatisation and may not be a first class long term CB is maybe more risky for me than the 32yr old Williams.

  286. Was torn between him and Modric. Modric is a fantastic footballer even though he’s an ex Spud!

  287. chas says:

    Is there a smell of signings in the air?

  288. fred1266 says:

    GN5

    U mind sharing video

  289. RC78 says:

    There is – Lucas and Mustafi to have medicals today

  290. fred1266 says:

    If Gabriel is going to be mostly in starting lineup the only issue is his language the we have kos and Williams for this season while Gabriel getting better at English

    That was my thinking

  291. GunnerN5 says:

    Fred here is the youtube link it’s shown under the heading of –
    Lucas Prez/goals and assists.

  292. Aaron says:

    Going to be very happy if Arsenal get these two deals across the line. The boo boo crowd will still “bitch about the brand!
    Can’t wait for the Watford game!

  293. RC78 says:

    CB – Kos, Mustafi, BFG, Gabriel, Chambers, Holding
    —> I can see AW loaning out Chambers
    FW – Giroud, Wellbeck, Perez, Walcott, Akpom, Asano
    —> I can see AW loaning out Akpom and maybe Asano

  294. fatgingergooner says:

    I don’t think transfers can be made based on thinking about 3 games at the beginning of the season where you might be short. Williams played deep into the Euro’s anyway so probably wouldn’t have featured. I get what you are saying, but £12m for a 32 year old is a big chunk. Hopefully Mustafi’s game translates well to the PL and we have found a CB for the next 8-10 years. If that’s the case the £35m will be a snip. You’ve also got to consider that even if he’s not successful, he’s at an age where you can get at least £15m back later down the line, so the risk isn’t that great.

  295. GunnerN5 says:

    There is another 10 minute video of Perez on ScoutNationHD – I can’t find the link but you can get it by going onto the site.

  296. fred1266 says:

    We still calling theo a forward

  297. fred1266 says:

    He looking good, also seems he can play as a RM and CAM

  298. Big Raddy says:

    It was a no brainer between Willams and Mustafa (if we get him)

    Interesting that we have

    2 CB’s at 30 and +
    2 at 24/25
    And 2 at 20/21

    We are settled for CB’s and will never need to use Montreal or Debuchy at CB again.

    I still worry about the CF position. At only €17m Perez may be the stop-gap until Welbz returns. We doesn’t seem to be a central striker from the vids, more a Theo type striker

  299. fred1266 says:

    He lives on the last man ozil probably licking his lips, seems to be a decent dribbler

  300. Eddie says:

    Beijing Red 4 Lyf ‏@Beijingcasuals · Jul 22

    1-4?! 1 FUKING 4 TO DORTMUND?!?!?

    MOURINHO NEEDS TO GO, HE HAD LONG ENOUGH NOW AND IT CLEARLY NOT WORKING. WE NEED FRESH BLOOD #MUFC

  301. Eddie says:

    this guy is a genius 🙂 he still supports ManU 4 Life 🙂

  302. fatgingergooner says:

    I see Stuart Taylor has just signed a deal at Southampton. He’s yet to make 100 senior appearances (think he’s on about 90) in a career that started with us on 1st August 1997!

    Legend 😂

  303. GoonerB says:

    I can go with that for the time being FGG. He may turn out to be very good. How big is Mustaffi?

    I am in 2 minds about Perez. I have 1 foot firmly in Eddie’s and RC’s camp that we needed a top proven CF to move us on to being serious challengers for the bigger prizes. I also really don’t like the term “to provide competition for Giroud”…..ahhhrrrgh. We don’t need competition for Giroud we need a serious upgrade in our 1st choice number 9. This has been apparent for at least 3 years now, so it is not a recent issue.

    If Perez only turns out to be a back up player to one of our current squad, rather than an upgrade, then I would say that we have gone and got it wrong again. Those currently skeptical fans will not be very forgiving I think. I can easily see why a player who is 27yrs old that none of us really knew about and who, if rumours are true, was deemed not good enough by our scouts a few months earlier, is deemed a panic buy by some fans even if others disagree with this sentiment.

    Having said that I like the look of him from the footage I have seen so am quite happy and excited to see what he can bring, even though my excitement is tempered by a suspicion that this does not add up to the upgrade at number 9 we have been crying out for since RVP left us. He could turn out to be a late developing gem that has been overlooked, at least I do hope so, and I will happily look at his signing with optimism until proven otherwise.

  304. fatgingergooner says:

    Perez could be an option off the RW coming inside on his left peg, but I’m not sure he has the kind of workrate needed to play there against decent sides. Useful against the parked bus though I’d imagine. Otherwise we will probably see him playing instead of Giroud rather than with him.

  305. fred1266 says:

    Asano out on loan

  306. fatgingergooner says:

    GB,

    Don’t you think he could take some of the workload off Giroud though meaning we get a fit and healthy Giroud for 35 games a season and avoid the slumps in form?

    Ideally a fresh and fit Giroud will get his 20 goals in 40 games instead of 55. Then this kid gets his 10 goals in the other 15 games that Giroud is now putting his feet up for. That way you’re getting another 50% out of your strike force without having to buy a £60m striker.

  307. fatgingergooner says:

    He’s listed as 184cm. Kos is 186cm.

    2 mobile CB’s rather than units. What do we think? I know our high line was an issue at one point, maybe that’s why we are going down the mobile CB route. Gabriel is pretty rapid too.

  308. GoonerB says:

    Unfortunately FGG I don’t personally feel Giroud’s slumps in form are about work-load, so I can’t sell myself Perez’s signing on that basis. It is a matter of opinion of course and I respect those that see it this way, but I feel that Giroud’s slumps seem to be an annual thing that are to do with his inate ability across a season and not anything else.

    He is a useful back up, or something different, type of striker at the top level but not 1st choice material. If he is our first choice again this season I don’t see us significantly progressing. For me we have somewhat regressed recently, or at the best stood still and I would like to see us make better progress.

    On Mustaffi, I didn’t realise he was that short. Could be an issue in the EPL if he is partnered with Kos, we will have to see. It may depend on how AW sets out his tactics to play with 2 short quick uns.

  309. TotalArsenal says:

    You just need to do a paradigm jump, GB. 🙃⚽️

  310. chad says:

    Paradigm jumps are the hardest.

  311. Eddie says:

    micky – Branson came off the bike too, you are not the only old fool

  312. Eddie says:

    Polish silver medal winner at the Rio Olympics has sold his medal to raise money for a young cancer patient. Not all Polaks are bad.

  313. GoonerB says:

    I think Arsene has already made the paradigm jump…..”do things the same as the other big successful clubs, mais non, I will do it my way”.

    Now all that is left is to see whether his way to success is better than the current agreed formula.

  314. Eddie says:

    GB – “now all that is left is to see”. Have you not had enough proof yet?

  315. TotalArsenal says:

    That is why we are The Arsenal, GB and Eddie.

    We don’t follow the blind alley, we establish new paths. Two FA cups, second last year in the PL, in the last three years and all to play for this season. Make that jump! 😀😀😀

  316. fatgingergooner says:

    Few rumours we might still be looking at another player. Anything more is a bonus.

  317. VP of Oz says:

    “You will see how many transfers will happen in the next three or four days,” he said. “It will be amazing. Maybe the biggest amount ever. There are many, many clubs in England who have a big amount of money available and haven’t spent yet. You could say all of them. Who has finished in the market? Nobody. Everybody is waiting, I think, to get the deals done.”

    If Wenger says that nobody is finished with transfers, isn’t he also saying that Arsenal are not finished either…

  318. GoonerB says:

    T.A, I will not belittle our F.A cup wins as I absolutely loved them….however….Arsene himself has often said that the true mark of a team is across a whole season, (i.e the league), and that cup games are less predictable and are not the true mark of where a team / club is.

    I just want to put some things in perspective to counter that things are not as bad as some blog sites suggest, but similarly they are not as rosy as many on here seem to believe. Let me list our league positions recently :

    2005-6 4th 67 points (12 points from 1st)
    2006-7 4th 68 points (21 points from 1st)
    2007-8 3rd 83 points (4 points from 1st)
    2008-9 4th 72 points (18 points from 1st)
    2009-10 3rd 75 points (11 points from 1st)
    2010-11 4th 68 points (12 points from 1st)
    2011-12 3rd 70 points (19 points from 1st)
    2012-13 4th 73 points (16 point from 1st)
    2013-14 4th 79 points (7 points from 1st )
    2014-15 3rd 75 points (12 points from 1st)
    2015-16 2nd 71 points (10 points from 1st)

    Looking at our finishing league position and points over the last number of seasons it is clear to see that Arsene did an amazing job through the more austere years. Most notably in the 2007-8 season which is the year I feel we were truly unlucky not to win it.

    Overall though even with the increased spending money recently and some top players arriving we haven’t moved on and have last year, arguably, regressed.

    You can see a positive trend towards an increase in points (as in towards traditional EPL winning points) from the 2013-2014 season. It was then we brought in Ozil and It was also the summer we went for Suarez. Had we got him in addition to Ozil we would have won the league that year of that I have no doubt, if you just look at our points tally and how far away from the eventual winners we were, and also how much Suarez himself carried Liverpool, with an inferior squad to us, almost to the title. With him we would have won more than that league as well to this point.

    The following year we dropped off a bit in points but brought in Alexis, still however not an out and out top level number 9, but we still retained a forward momentum towards a squad that could win the league.

    Last summers transfer window though I believe we were the only team through the entire football leagues to not buy an outfield player, and still we had not got our top striker. This last season we dropped back again from our forward momentum in points to a level consistent with our more austere years, yet it is still deemed progress by many due to us finishing second in the league.

    I think this is a red herring, a completely false representation of our progress recently. If you put it in perspective firstly all our other main rivals amazingly capitulated together at the same time. In football terms this is the equivalent of the parting of the red sea, and will not happen again.

    Even with this happening we still dropped to a points tally more in keeping with our earlier austere period (71) and finished 10 points off, wait for it, the mighty Leicester. The thing is, as Eddie said, these teams don’t sit on their laurels too long and when they have a blip they tend to put it right fairly quickly and get back to the 80+ points that is normally required to seriously challenge for the EPL.

    Last years second wasn’t some amazing feat by Wenger to outgun Chelsea, Man City or Man Utd. It still represented regression by us but was well disguised by a weird anomalous year by all of them.

    Sorry to put a dampener on things and I will still actually be looking forward to this season with great anticipation and that the summers business will see us seriously challenge. However, despite things not being dreadful and a lot to look forwards to, it should not be hard to understand why skepticism and disenchantment remains among many fans.

  319. GunnerN5 says:

    GB,
    To keep things in perspective here are the stats in the years immediately before AW and after our 1st place in 90/91.

    91/92 4th – -10
    92/93 10th – -28
    93/94 4th – -21
    94/95 12th – -38
    95/96 5th – -1

  320. GunnerN5 says:

    95/96= -19

  321. VP of Oz says:

    What I’m most excited about (excluding us winning the title) is who is going to fail spectacularly. All the media are already saying that we are on the precipice of falling out of being one of the top/big 4 clubs in the EPL due to Wenger however the stats reveal otherwise, which means one of the other 3 clubs are heading for a very big fall and yet the media is only focussing on us.

    In the last 12 years, you could argue that we are one of the top 3 clubs in the EPL as we average a 3rd place finish amongst the top 4 clubs every year except for 2 when we finished 4th –

    04/05 CFC 1st, AFC 2nd, MUFC 3rd, MCFC 16th,
    05/06 CFC 1st, MUFC 2nd, AFC 3rd, MCFC 8th,
    06/07 MUFC 1st, CFC 2nd, AFC 4th, MCFC 15th,
    07/08 MUFC 1st, CFC 2nd, AFC 3rd, MCFC 14th,
    08/09 MUFC 1st, CFC 3rd, AFC 4th, MCFC 9th,
    09/10 CFC 1st, MUFC 2nd, AFC 3rd, MCFC 10th,
    10/11 MUFC 1st, CFC 2nd, MCFC 3rd, AFC 4th,
    11/12 MCFC 1st, MUFC 2nd, AFC 3rd, CFC 6th,
    12/13 MUFC 1st, MCFC 2nd, CFC 3rd, AFC 4th,
    13/14 MCFC 1st, CFC 3rd, AFC 4th,, MUFC 7th
    14/15 CFC 1st, MCFC 2nd, AFC 3rd, MUFC 4th
    15/16 AFC 2nd, MCFC 4th, MUFC 5th, CFC 10th,

    In fact this year was the first time in 12 years that we finished in 1st amongst the top 4 clubs and the results are showing a turn-around in our fortunes but the expectations are at an all time low (you cannot keep blaming other clubs failures for our success) –

    04/05 AFC 2nd/FA Cup,
    05/06 AFC 3rd/CL RU,
    06/07 AFC 4th
    07/08 AFC 3rd/CL QF,
    08/09 AFC 4th/CL SF,
    09/10 AFC 3rd/CL QF,
    10/11 AFC 4th
    11/12 AFC 3rd,
    12/13 AFC 4th
    13/14 AFC 4th/FA Cup,
    14/15 AFC 3rd/FA Cup/ComShld,,
    15/16 AFC 2nd/ComShld,

  322. VP of Oz says:

    I would go as far as saying that success amongst the other big clubs is measured on finishing above us on the table. Finishing below us when they are spending so much more etc. would be deemed a failure. So in fact, AFC has become the barometer of success rather than the example of it.

  323. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    An example of media anti-narrative ….. “AW’s panic buying”, strange that they reported him trying to buy Mustafi over a month ago.

  324. Big Raddy says:

    Morning chas. 7.24 Choppers, big collars, DM’s. Happy days

    7.25. The gang 50 years later.

  325. chas says:

    God morgen, BR.
    The second photo was after the last game at Highbury apparently.

  326. Big Raddy says:

    Could someone publish my very hastily written PM this morning?

    Thank you

    love BR

  327. fatgingergooner says:

    Game day! Looking forward to a tough game. 3 points are needed so hopefully we get to see the likes of Özil on top form today.

    Cech
    Bellerin Holding Koscielny Monreal
    Coquelin Xhaka
    Walcott Özil Ox
    Sanchez

    I’d probably play Coq instead of Cazorla because I think that little bit of extra cover in front of Holding is important, although I wouldn’t be surprised if Cazorla or even Wilshere are in the team today. I’d also like to see Giroud start but not convinced he will. If he does though I’d play Ox RW and drop Theo. Ox had an excellent pre season and has looked lively in the games he’s played.

  328. GoonerB says:

    GN5 and VP, not picking an argument and I hope you accept this as a point of debate but I will be frank in my comment.

    It seems to me that our success under Wenger when he arrived compared to before him is used to counter any argument that challenges Wenger regardless of the angle it takes.

    If my point had been about how good Arsene has been for us then your stats GN5 would allow for perspective. He has been brilliant and even the most ardent Wenger outer will not disagree with this. That however wasn’t my point.

    Similarly VP if the point was about Wengers overall consistency in keeping us in the top 4 then your argument is relevant. He has been brilliantly consistent. That however wasn’t my point either.

    My point though was all about how we have looked going into the post emirates stadium post austere years, and chiefly what it takes to win the EPL and our trends over the last few seasons up until last season. I make no apology for actually wanting us to win the title, not as a spoiled supporter, but because I think it is actually achievable. To do it you invariably need 80+ points. Look at the trending of our points rather than last yrs 2nd place as a barometer.

    I was highlighting that we were gaining momentum in the 2013 season for a couple of years, money was there and we could no longer be considered a development project. We had the momentum and then lost it, and as far as I am concerned regressed last year. Our 2nd place was down to others failings not our own brilliance as the points trend over the last few seasons tend to indicate.

    The reasons could be many but it does potentially indicate that Wenger is no longer able to produce a team that can get to that elusive 80+ points and seriously challenge for the EPL. Nothing to do with his consistency overall or that he has been our best ever manager, just the here and now of the last 3-4 seasons.

  329. Eddie says:

    GB – Wenger’s consistency seems to be his vice. Can he really step outside his comfort zone and change his long philosophy? No. He is too old and too arrogant. Leopards do not change their spots.

    To win a major trophy we need a fresh new approach from another manager. Someone to take a fresh look at the situation, find the problems and address them.

    If anybody calls me a spoiled fan who wants an EPL cup once every 12 years then he/she is not a true sportsman/woman. The whole objective of any sport is to win, stand on the podium, get medals, cups, be the best. Not second, third or fourth. The best.

    And the club as big and old as Arsenal cannot be the best in the country? Then I want to know why

  330. chas says:

    You’re the best fan, Eddie.
    Perfectly reasonable to want an EPL cup once every 12 years, innit.

  331. chas says:

    NEW POST

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