Monday Morning Blues

I think we were all looking forward to taking three points from the game and putting pressure on City at the top of the Premiership. Sadly that was not to be.

There were sufficient omens before the game to dampen our expectations. We had half a team in the treatment room, we were playing a Pulis side which is morphing into his old Stoke City just as they are throwing off their Orc reputation and starting to play football.  Our players had barely time to catch their breath after the Internationals and we have a Champions League game to follow.

Having said that, we started with our first choice ’keeper and back four, our mid-field pairing of Cazorla and Coquelin were in place only Gibbs, playing on the left with Alexis wide right, has not been a regular starter while Giroud has taken over as central striker since Walcott’s unfortunate injury.

It was when things started to go wrong, with Le Coq forced off by injury, that the threadbare nature of our squad became horribly evident. A rusty Arteta was making heavy weather of his role alongside Cazorla and despite Giroud’s headed goal two errors by Arteta meant we went in at half-time 2 – 1 down.

The second half quickly saw Arteta off with a calf injury with Flamini replacing him and then Gibbs giving way to the uninspiring Joel Campbell, further evidence of the weakness of  the bench.

So just what was it that induced the Monday morning blues?

Well, for me it is the realisation that over  the many games played against Pulis’ teams we still haven’t learnt how to deal with that particular style of play.

On top of that we are most certainly being bitten in the bum by the failure to recruit a decent back-up for Le Coq, as well as a distinct lack of an alternative striker.

Finally, with City losing at home to Liverpuddle we wasted a wonderful opportunity to move to the top of the table.

Oh, those Monday morning blues!

Written by Norfolk Gooner

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170 Responses to Monday Morning Blues

  1. kelsey says:

    Crystals says:
    November 23, 2015 at 7:11 am

    Unfortunately year after year we get one injury after the other but Arteata and Flamini and Campbell shouldn’t be in a squad challenging for the title,as that is the benchmark to look at.
    Sanchez is amazing but Gibbs is no real threat as a winger, Campbell is a headless turkey and Santi is woefully out of form.
    Ozil, Sanchez and even Giroud had reasonable games but let’s be honest as a team we didn’t play well, no fluidity, and WBA were in our faces most of the game.
    On another day with all first teamers fit,we most probably would have won, but the end result is that we now have yet another two injuries and as i said during the game defensively we looked extremely vunerable.

    Well someone taking my name in vain 😉 but nevertheless I did say that yesterday and thank you for the post NG, however one can’t always use the excuse of Pulis as I thought WBA played forceably but then so do half the other teams in the PL. Generally we are not a physical team as Wenger still thinks we will one day emaulate Barcelona with sublime tippy tappy football.

    We really do have more than our share of injury prone players,most teams can carry the odd one,but not as many as we consistently have,yet I am pretty sure Wenger will put out his strongest team tomorrow but that in itself is not that difficult to pick as we barely have 11 fit players.Regardless of that result, Sanchez who at the moment is our best attacking force will eventually be completely burned out. If it was me I would throw the game as the Premiership is more open than ever before with 6 teams in with a chance.

    I know others will disagree with me but because of stubborness and only 228 million pounds in the bank we didn’t increase the squad enough with quality in the Summer and may now pay for it.

  2. Big Raddy says:

    Is it miscalculation or bad luck?

    In the squad we have two players whom I consider to be multi-purpose, players who can cover for DM, AM, wingers etc and they are Ox and Ramsey. Both are excellent cover .

    It is extraordinary bad fortune that both are injured at the same time.

    As to the money in the bank: We have a fine squad. What is the point of spending 30m on a DM/MF when he is likely to sit on the bench. Why would that player join AFC? A top quality player wants regular first team action.

    That said, a replacement for Arteta, Flamini and Rosicky is becoming an absolute necessity.

  3. Big Raddy says:

    NG. Thank you for the post. I am not so depressed by the result – blips are expected over a long season but rather the manner of the defeat. Once WBA scored their second we were playing against an 11 man defence and there was no space for wingers or overlaps. We resorted to tippy-tippy football to try and get through a very compact defence.

    Dull, dull, dull.

  4. kelsey says:

    Raddy

    re your last paragreaph, that should have been dealt with in the Summer and surely there were players available.

  5. ‘morning Kelsey, I don’t think you and I have much to disagree about.

    I’m all for putting the under eighteen side out both tomorrow and in the final qualifier, if they get us third place all well and good let them carry on as far as they are able, if not then little harm has been done and the first team squad, such as it is, can continue to push foward in the Premiership.

  6. Rasp says:

    Thanks for the post Norfolk.

    Needless to say I can’t agree with Raddy’s bad fortune (luck) analysis 🙂

    If it were down to the mystical luck, how come so many of us forecast this situation before it happened? By it’s very nature, luck cannot be predicted.

    Probability can be predicted. Our track record has proven that we are susceptible to injuries in key areas. It has also shown that when we only have one top option for a position, that player plays too many games and the probability of him picking up an injury increases.

    If we had a strategy of rotating one or two players for most games, then the probability of ‘red zone’ soft tissue injuries/break downs would be decreased.

    No player’s position is sacrosanct. If we bought a top quality player for Coquelin’s position then it would be competition and should bring out the best in both players. There would almost certainly be games when you’d start with both players and it is also the likely that we’d bring one or other on during a game as a sub particularly if we were in a winning position and wanted to rest/protect a striker etc.

  7. mickydidit89 says:

    Thanks Norfolk
    A very fine collection of words and all assembled in the right order to make a fine read.

    Gentlemen: the window approaches, and I for one, can feel the excitement building

  8. ‘morning Big and Randy, I’m not at all depressed, I love blues, I shall shortly be puting on the headphones and listening to some Art Pepper, great saxophonist.

    http://www.last.fm/music/Art Pepper/_/Patricia

  9. ‘morning Rasp and Micky, the threadbare nature of our squad precludes rotation, the very fact that Gibbs started in mid-field highlights the situation.

    Micky for a moment there I thought you were approaching the window with the intention of throwing yourself out. Don’t let the Monday Morning Blues get to you, I’m sure Le Professeur will by you a striker as a new year present.

  10. mickydidit89 says:

    Norfolk

    Strikers? Cannot have too many of those boys

    How’s this for a January plan.

    Could do with a multi-functional sort as a six month stop gap. Good tackler, good in the air, good shooter. Great leadership qualities. Good PL experience at the top level. Had recently experienced an easy six months, thus raring to go, and a player gagging to add an elusive PL Title Gong to his collection. Steven Gerrard.

  11. Wash your mouth out with soap and water Micky.

    Captain Carthorse?

    Never!!!

  12. mickydidit89 says:

    Oh alright 🙂

  13. mickydidit89 says:

    Bring Kaelstom home then 🙂

  14. Shhh, whisper it quietly, shhh, RVP is leaving Turkey. Shhh, we need a striker. Just saying…..

  15. Time for a coffee, laterz

  16. Rasp says:

    Morning NG, it’s a chicken and egg situation.

    ….. You say the threadbare nature of our squad denuded of players due to injury precludes rotation

    ….. I say if we rotated more (without going into CL madness zone), the squad would not be so denuded by injuries and therefore the situation is less likely to occur 🙂

  17. It’s a difficult one to solve Rasp, but the situation could be eased by buying in January or using academy players.

    Unfortunately, Wenger seems reluctant to do either he prefers to send our best young prospects out on loan but fails to ensure the loan deal allows for their recall when necessary.

  18. kelsey says:

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=intl:2721934

    Who would honestly gues that this is Paul Mariner

  19. Le Coq Monster says:

    Cheers NG

    Do not agree with Raddies worry of players being bought to sit warming the bench…..I`m in agreement of it makes competition for places and Rasp says “Probability can be predicted”……..yes, but also we only have to look historically to know what is going to happen on the injury front and this was another OBVIOUS reason to buy some outfield players in the summer !.

    “I know others will disagree with me but because of stubborness and only 228 million pounds in the bank we didn’t increase the squad enough with quality in the Summer and may now pay for it.”

    I am one of your believers !. hahaha
    Actually, I would have replaced “stubbornness” with….naivety….as I know it winds some AA Wenger Arsenelickers up . 😀

    Also glad that my thought of £200M in the bank has now gone up to £228M !……..thank you, Kelsey !

  20. Who could possibly argue with what he’s saying?

  21. Big Raddy says:

    Who could predict that the following MF’s would be knocked at the same time…..

    Arteta, Coquelin, Wilshere, Rosicky, Ox, Ramsey?

    I am sorry but I find the argument that AW should have signed cover in the summer unconvincing. It should be recalled that all our players are under contract.

  22. Where do they find interest rates to give them that kind of return Cockie? I struggle to get 1% on my meagre savings.

  23. Le Coq Monster says:

    That could have been you talking, Kelsey !…..nice head of hair that Mariner and talk a lot of sense !………………….although, he says it`s not ideal to buy in January because of the inflated prices, I say, so what ?…..we have £228M…..(which has probably gone up a £1M in interest since Kelsey revealed this amount)…..spend it all !. hahaha

  24. I believe Arteta, Flamini and Rosicky are all out of contract in the summer, early termination would probably not cost a lot BR.

    Now it’s reported that Le Coq has ligament damage and will be out until the new year, but with our “luck” that probably means mid March.

  25. Le Coq Monster says:

    You will have to ask Kelsey, NG……he is keeper of the AA funds and lives in a rich part of London !

  26. kelsey says:

    Well the news that is breaking is that Le Coq could be out for at least three months, so inflated prices or not we have to buy .

    No NG the reserves published were 228 million in the latest set of accounts not an increase of 28 million 🙂

    I disagree with you Raddy. Why was Arteta given a new deal when he was already slowing up and getting more injury prone last season.Sometimes one has to be a bit more ruthless if you wish to be successful and as for Rosicky, he is the new Diaby, yet when he was fit at the back end of last season he was always on the bench and was lucky to get 5 minutes.Flamini I can accept as a back up just for this season

  27. Le Coq Monster says:

    Wenger may be a brilliant accountant, but he is a shit fcuking Doctor when it comes to telling us when a player is going to come back from injury !…..I`d rather take the advice of the numerous AA accountants as they come up with bigger calculations…..robbing bastards !.

  28. Rasp says:

    Hi Raddy, it wasn’t a question of predicting that those players would all be injured at the same time. Most of those like The Ox were being rotated any way, it was the knowledge that the back up for Coquelin was not good enough and therefore needed reinforcing. We all knew this.

  29. Rasp says:

    I don’t understand why some people are still in denial over the situation with injuries.

    I’m pretty sure that at one time or another just about everyone had said prior to the start of the season that they felt good about the upcoming campaign as long as we don’t suffer too many injuries.

    By that statement alone, we were acknowledging that we knew we had a history of losing key players to injury and that those injuries would have a defining impact on our ability to win the league.

    I know that can be said of any team in terms of the quality of the back up, but most teams don’t have our recurring injury problems.

  30. Just about everyone except Wenger, Rasp.

  31. Rasp says:

    Our best hope for now is that Ramsey can stay fit and adopt Coquelin’s position next to Santi with one of Theo, (when fit) The Ox or Campbell playing wide right.

  32. Gööner In Exile says:

    Rasp the difference is “too many injuries” against “some injuries”. Injuries are to be expected at any club, Even with the best will in the world I can’t see how anyone can demand that we have more than three quality players in every position. Not at least under current squad rule of 25. Basically needing three in every position gives a squad of 33, as some are interchangeable it can be done with 25, now let’s assume we have three Ozils, three Alexis, three Kozzers, three Cech’s……that’s right some player will be itching for a move come January. Of course we always suffer injuries so that wouldn’t happen….but it could. We have Debuchy thinking about leaving because he can’t get in ahead of Bellerin, unfortunately any squad needs a balance of players to keep a happy camp and players on the pitch, the players being called upon right now are players that have accepted their “squad” role should everyone be fit and even the likes of Flamini moan that they are not getting enough game time when everyone is fit.

  33. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Cheers Norfolk

    I watched the game on Azerbaijan TV and thought we played quite well. I was also impressed with the commentary.

    Second half we were all over them but they defended like all Pulis teams, well and on the margins of the rules. They were delighted with the points. Bet the showers saw plenty of towel flicking from a middle aged starkers bar a baseball cap man after that?

    Why is everyone convinced the injuries will derail us? I believe we will prove the critics wrong. Coqs absence is unwanted but why cant we find internal solutions? Other players will assume more responsibility and as a collective we will cover Coqs loss.

  34. Rasp says:

    Hi GiE, I’m sorry but I don’t accept the ‘they will moan and not be happy’ argument. It’s good that they won’t be happy, that shows that they have the ambition to want to do well – without that they shouldn’t be in the squad.

    This scenario is more specific than that. We knew we would have many injuries – we always do. We could see last season that Arteta had lost his legs and wasn’t really up to the DM role any more especially when the opposition are applying a high press (which is quickly becoming the norm against us). So the specific need for back up to Coquelin was the one that should have been addressed and that would have been possible without going beyond our quotas.

    It is entirely possible that we sought to get such a player in the summer, but I doubt we gave it sufficient priority. The big teams in the world would have been prepared to pay over the odds to get a player they knew would make a difference. It doesn’t always work I know, but surely we have to try our hardest.

  35. Gööner In Exile says:

    LWWWWLWDDWWWL

    Yep I can really see how Arsene has never worked out to beat a Tony Pulis side.

    That’s league results going back to when Pulis’s Stoke first entered the PL, and then onto Palace and WBA, so in all that’s 3 losses in 13, or 8 wins from 13, whether your a half full or half empty type.

  36. Gööner In Exile says:

    Rasp, if someone at work is being a moaning sod, does it affect the rest of the workforce? In my experience the answer is yes. Footballers are no different, yes they are paid a wage to be there but at what point does a player who is not making the starting XI or even on the fringes of the bench start taking his foot off the gas in training? It happens all too regularly it happens at plenty of clubs it has happened to us, a couple of bad eggs make problems.

    The question is not about how we strengthen the squad it’s a question of how do we strengthen the players to avoid the injuries, and if we can’t they go, but who is going to buy a player who is out injured and give him the wages we put him on when he was a fit and ever present player? If no one then how do we make room.

    As I said this morning we have a bigger squad than the majority (if not all) the rest of the Premier League. Yes we could have picked up a DM, Chelsea somehow survive with Matic and Mikel. Scratch the surface at any club and their are large holes, we’ve been scratched at the surface and someone put a knife through the middle too.

  37. Rasp says:

    Thanks GiE., If someone is a moaning sod, you ship them out. No one is suggesting we buy a suitable player and sit him on the bench every game. We need to rotate sensibly. Coquelin was always going to get injured and we were always going to struggle as a result.

    We have failed spectacularly to reduce the level of injuries. Obviously the causes are a mystery to the trainers/physios etc at the club.

    Our Achilles Heal was the position of DM. Arsene is now openly talking about looking for back up for Coquelin in January if his injury turns out to be long term. He acknowledges it now. He should have indemnified us against it in the summer.

  38. Le Coq Monster says:

    Rasp….your 12:55pm is spot on (especially the 3rd sentence ) and that is why Wenger was clueless in the summer !…….so what if we would have bought some players who would have made other players sit on the bench….what`s wrong with improving the squad ?…..that`s a given in any forms of life and one which Transplant cant deny as he tried to improve on the first Mrs McManus…sorry ….Mrs Transplant !……and the second !…….actually, we have a few AAers who have been improving their marital status`s, so it`s a bit hypocritical of them to deny us doomers the voice of improving the squad !.
    I personally have a great wife and only look at potential other one`s in case her performance level in the kitchen is not up to her high standards, but also often have her cousin and friends come around to give her competition .

  39. GunnerN5 says:

    No such thing as luck?

    Let me see –

    Man U win 2-1 by an own goal.
    Liverpool open the scoring with and own goal and win 4-1
    Arsenal lose 2-1 by an own goal.

    No such thing as luck?

  40. Rasp says:

    Hi GN5, you are just one of many on here who continue to misquote what I am saying. Luck exists in all our minds as an emotional response/explanation for events. In reality luck is just a way of referring to random fluctuations that vary from the norm we expect or hope for. The sort of ‘luck’ you refer to in those games will usually even itself out throughout a season.

    What luck should not be is an excuse when in a position to alter events. If you are using luck to explain something that occurs frequently then you are not being honest with yourself or others – and I don’t mean that in a nasty sense, more in an ‘I don’t wan’t to confront a more feasible explanation’ sense 🙂

  41. VCC says:

    Crystals 11:56. When will the penny drop?…..Somehow I don’t think it ever will with Arsene Wenger. PSD

  42. A bloke called Jim goes to the pub to meet his mates. Alright Jim they all shout and he says, ” It’s not Jim now, last night I won £50,000 on the lottery, so now I’m Lucky Jim”.

    The following week Lucky Jim walks into the pub and his mates all say, “How’s it going Lucky Jim?” and he says, “It;s not Lucky Jim now…. yesterday I won £77,000 on the horses so now it’s Lucky, Lucky Jim”.

    A few days later Lucky , Lucky JIm goes to the pub and his mates say, ” Oh look it’s, Lucky, Lucky Jim”, and he replies, “It’s Not Lucky, Lucky Jim now, it’s Lucky, Lucky, Lucky Jim because a few days ago I got a letter in the post saying I’d won £100,000 in a sweep stake”.

    A couple of weeks later, Lucky, Lucky, Lucky Jim goes to the pub and all his mates chorus, “well here comes Lucky, Lucky, Lucky Jim” and Lucky, Lucky, Lucky Jim tells them “It’s not Lucky, Lucky Lucky Jim any more, it’s Lucky, Lucky, Lucky Lucky Jim!” and his mates ask, “Why’s that Lucky, Lucky Lucky Lucky Jim?

    And Jim tells them, “Last night I was in bed with a gorgeous bird when a brick came through the window and hit her right in the muff”.

    His mates say, “well what’s lucky about that?, and Lucky, Lucky, Lucky, Lucky Jim says, ” Two seconds earlier my head had been there!”

  43. GunnerN5 says:

    Just going with the flow Rasp, but I must say I feel lucky to get a response, as usually I’m ignored. Or is that being emotional?

  44. The Big Coq out for three months…. fecking disaster.

  45. Rasp says:

    Hi GN5, I hope you don’t think I am ignoring you because I assure you that is not the case. My available time on here is limited and is often in fits and spurts. I do my best to publish posts any day we have an offering.

    It is actually quite hard for me to blog because I cannot be viewed as detached since everyone knows my history on AA.

    Most of what I do on the blog, I do for those of you who clearly enjoy the forum we have created together. Once in a while I let off steam which I should probably try to avoid. I’ll admit I have considered commenting on another blog under a different name so that I can feel free of baggage.

  46. Rasp here’s a suggestion, comment as much as you like, say whatever you want, most of the rest of us do, I don’t think that there are any shrinking violets among the regulars who will feel offended.

    I’m pretty sure most are capable of giving as well as receiving. 😀

  47. GunnerN5 says:

    I have no issues with you Rasp, I fully appreciate how difficult it must be for the admins to manage the blog plus work and your personal lives.

    Thank you all for your dedicating your time and energy in maintaining one of the very best Arsenal blogs!!

  48. Rasp says:

    Hi NG, thanks for that. The problem is, I am increasingly feeling in the minority over the ‘luck’ issue – whilst still being absolutely confident that I have got this one right.

    If one of the many on here who keep throwing the topic of luck back in my face were to say something like this:

    …. ” Look Rasp, you just don’t get it do you. We don’t want to blame anything other than luck because that’s what we’re comfortable with and it avoids us criticising people and institutions we hold in high esteem. So when we use the term luck, we don’t actually mean luck, we mean those things that we are prepared to overlook because they are far outweighed by incredible things that we should all be grateful for” …. 😀

  49. We’re Lucky to have you as an administrater Rasp 🙂

  50. LB says:

    Rasp

    I am going to do something I haven’t done in months and that is question a view. People on here wonder why other people don’t respond to comments when the first sign of a differing view and they are matching off calling for other people to be banned from the site.

    Any way, I know this is a pet project of yours and one I must admit I do not understand, so with that in mind could you give me an insight as to how you envisaged the practicalities of your call for back up the DM/HM position?

    For example, your call must be for someone better than Flamini or Arteta or there would be no need for extra bodies in that position, and equally he can’t be as good as Coquelin or he would simply leave as soon as he could. Coquelin is not going to spend the best part of a season sitting on our bench anymore, those days are gone. So please tell me how do you see it working, because for the life of me I can’t picture it.

    However, last thing, if your call is simply as a fan wanting more players because, well, that is what fans are supposed to do, then fair enough but that, as we both know, is not how it works at a modern day football club.

    “Our Achilles Heal was the position of DM. Arsene is now openly talking about looking for back up for Coquelin in January if his injury turns out to be long term. He acknowledges it now. He should have indemnified us against it in the summer.”

  51. Rasp says:

    Thanks GN5, no need to thank me. I sound like a I’m looking for praise I know, but actually I am just trying to share the burden a tad. Chas has been really helpful and your input has been fantastic since joining and its thanks to all the authors. Those who comment regularly are equally important. As Raddy pointed out to me only yesterday, we must embrace the diversity and idiosyncrasies of one another.

  52. Rasp says:

    Hi LB, I didn’t say he can’t be as good as Coquelin. I am a big fan of Coquelin as I think he plugs an important gap in our defence, but I wouldn’t say there aren’t even better players out there.

    If Coquelin is of the mindset to ask to leave the minute another player became first choice – why didn’t he leave us years before when he was sent on loan or never even made the bench?

    Can any manager buy a player because they think they are adequate for 2nd best. Surely not. Surely they buy them mostly because they hope they can become the best. Obviously the exception is when a player like Silvestre is brought in to ‘do a job’. This is not a policy I would agree with. I think it would be far better to bring players through from the academy and give them a chance than to buy someone in the twilight of their career.

  53. Rasp says:

    The player I’d been banging on about last summer (sorry chas 🙂 ) was William Carvalho and he certainly wouldn’t have been back up for Coquelin.

    I don’t want to go into the topic with any great depth now as I’ve written a post on this for publication later in the week, but what this team really needs is a player like Vieira – and Carvalho is the closest I’ve seen to him although still only young. He wouldn’t be cheap – but then quality seldom is.

  54. RA says:

    Norfolk,

    If you want to know what the Arsenal financial results were in their most recent accounts, including the Cash at bank blah blah, head to a website called; http://www.swissramble.blogspot.co.uk called, oddly enough, The Swiss Ramble.

    You will then know all that you need to know and set out very comprehensibly – even for a non-accountant.

  55. Rasp, I don’t want to get into the “luck” debate because I have no very strong feelings either for or against it’s existence.

    Should I consider myself lucky to have been married to the same woman for very nearly fifty years? Should my wife and I consider ourselves lucky to have brought into the world and raised two boys who have turrned into well adjusted and relatively succesful adults?

    Our was it perhaps through the hard work and dedication that we have both put into our relationship with each other and with our sons?

    Either way we are all happy with the outcome.

  56. RA says:

    This thing about ‘luck’ is becoming a pain in the ass.

    I have dug out an old OED which defines it thus;

    –“It is success or failure apparently brought about by chance rather than through one’s own actions”.

    Now, a wise man would say, “if Rasper does, or does not, want to accept that – that is his prerogative and that is fine – and the same goes for the rest of you — so let’s call it time on that”.

    And good luck with that! 🙂

  57. Thanks Redders for the link, unluckily I don’t want to know that particular information right now, but i’m sure your efforts won’t be wasted, someone will be most grateful and consider themselves very lucky indeed that you took the effort to find the website.

    Or was it a stroke of luck that you found it?

  58. Rasp says:

    Hi again Norfolk. The most appropriate time to use the word luck may well be when describing one’s choice of life partner 🙂 It’s all about the emotion.

    As I pointed out recently, you’ll never hear the chief exec of a PLC seeking to justify poor performance at the AGM by saying they were unlucky. It’s all about business decisions, not emotion.

  59. RA says:

    And as I recall Rasper, it was rumoured in the summer that Arsenal (and others) inquired after him in the summer, and Carvalho, allegedly, preferred to stay in Portugal.

    I made my own discreet inquiries, and it would appear that he is about as fast in a gallop as Per and/or Santo Cazorla – just what we want. 🙂

  60. Rasp says:

    Hi RA, Carvalho is not slow! His passing out of defence is exceptional and he has those long Vieira like legs that seem to snap out like a chameleon’s tongue and steal the ball off opponents.

    I do understand that there are reasons why he hasn’t moved away from Portugal. Obviously simply wanting a player and offering the right price will not secure his services if he doesn’t want to come. I was just using him as an example.

    Wanyama is another player we might have considered.

  61. RA says:

    Norfolk,

    Your question at 4:34 falls within the definition that I offered at 4:36 – and I believe you answered it yourself – luck had little or nothing to do with it. 😉

    I have no idea, at this stage what the hell way you were leaning vis a vis ‘luck’ – and I don’t care frankly as I do not read comments when their is the slightest whiff of regressing to another bout of discussion about luck.

    Most of the world rationalises somethings as being luck or unlucky – that is never going to change, as a figure of speech, whatever Rasper says – but good luck to him. 😀

  62. Rasp says:

    Oh my giddy aunt 😕 for the nth time, I never said luck doesn’t exist aaaarrrggghhhh 😦

    Here’s a simple way of putting it. One of the greatest arts of management is to organise affairs in such a away that as little as possible of what transpires is down to ‘luck’. Too often luck is a euphemism for a consequence of poor decision making.

    If you walk blindfold across a busy road and a car mows you down, it’s not unlucky, it’s bad decision making.

    If you have perfect vision and the road is clear but a meteor lands on your head – then you are unlucky …… comprende? 🙂

  63. RA says:

    If that is aimed at me, Rasp — why?

    Why are any of you arguing? It seems that everyone is in agreement.

    Now it is simply a matter of interpretation of what is or is not deemed to be lucky — oh, wait – I said that at 4:36, and last year, and the year before —aaaarrrggghhhh indeed – it is just so effing pointless, and like other pointless crap it just keeps on and on.

    Now that is my final comment. Eff me!

  64. kelsey says:

    This “luck” thing can be looked at in different ways.
    Did Wenger have any intention of recalling Le Coq when he lent him out. The answer initially was no, and none of us knew if he would have a future at Arsenal. Then someone gets injured I think it was Flamini, we are short of numbers in this position, and he is recalled, and surprisingly to many turns out to be a revelation, he is an extremely good player. Now we are back to most probably Flamini who really at his age should just be a back up and we really are down to the bare bones.
    Apart from the fact that too many players are injury prone one has to question our scouting and this annoying attitude that may or may not be true that Wenger generally doesn’t want to go a penny over for many players.It is sometimes a gambe with younger players,Chambers being a good example,as with add ons he won’t be cheap,yet is still a novice.

    And good evening Rasp 🙂

  65. Rasp says:

    Evening Kelsey 🙂

  66. RA says:

    Now if you want a tip for Le Coq’s replacement – it will be Sissoko.

    Nudge, nudge, wink-wink – or wank-wank – as preferred.

  67. Rasp says:

    Good call Redders – and no, I wasn’t having a go at you, just showing my frustration that it appears I am incapable of explaining my stance on this with any clarity 🙂

  68. stevepalmer1 says:

    Evening all.
    Nice one Norfolk,
    Heavy frost this morning, should mean good Piking weather, but no one told the pike.

    Norfolk, you had to go on about the transfer window, of course most people would have thought the same, As soon as Coquelin gets injured i knew the old window would be there, Not to bang Wenger over the head with, i dont think that was your intention but its been on others minds al right.

    Yes i feel we all worried about the effects of an injury to the Coq, Arteta and Flamoney are not really up to the challenges that he makes.

    My main concern is not the player coming in, its the players we have that have terrible, injury records. some of these players will miss large parts of next season as well, how do i know that, because they usually are.

    Clubs challenging for the league must have a reliable squad, we are one squad that cannot say that, Its not Doctors Nurses or Trainers, its the players, they are injury prone, and will always be the same.

    I honestly feel their is only one way to cure this never ending problem, and that is to count up how many games missed in the last three years each player has had and the highest few should be replaced. Players will see that they are being compared and hopefully that may well help them to stay fit.

  69. kelsey says:

    Before you all have a go at me,I always speak my mind and Ozil and Sanchez by today’s market forces are good buys but I still think certain players don’t actually want to play for Wenger as he likes many of his players to be able to play in two or three different positions, but more importantly their correct position,where one gets the best out of them.If they have the option to go to any one of 5 or 6 clubs especially now as there appears very little difference between most of them, they might not always chose us as an automatic first choice.

  70. RA says:

    There is hope for you yet, Rasp,

    –“Sporting Lisbon midfielder William Carvalho has revealed his ‘affection’ for Arsenal while suggesting he would be open to a move to the Premier League one day.

    The Portugal international had been linked with the Gunners, as well as Chelsea and Manchester United, before Arsene Wenger decided to place his faith in Francis Coquelin without pursuing another holding midfielder.

    The 23-year-old’s £33million buy out clause in his contract appears to have put off clubs, although his current deal expires in 2018. Before then Carvalho, who was named the best player at the UEFA Under 21 Championship, is hoping to win the Portuguese league title with his club.

    ‘I am where I want to be right now, which is Sporting, but if I ever do leave then it’s a sign that my work here was well done,’ he told Portuguese newspaper A Bola.

    ‘But, I dream of winning the Primeira Liga here first.”

  71. Kelsey, you’re lucky to know that “The answer initially was no”. But wait a minute, you’re really Crystals, so you did know and it was nothing to do with luck.

    It’s all a load of old (crystal) balls in fact.

    Now Redders won’t read this comment because it’s about luck… but, in fact it’s not.

    I’m going to wait and see if he comments on my comment, if he doesn’t comment then I’ve found a way of making derogatory comments about him that he won’t know about. All I have to do is put in the word lucky somewhere.

    Ha, ha that’s a bit of luck.

  72. RA says:

    Me, too, Rasp, and you must surely have had enough of that subject too.

    So betwixt us let’s leave it there? 😀

  73. Rasp says:

    Redders, I’ve just read back through my comments this afternoon …. you must all think I’m nuts 😆

  74. RA says:

    Kelsey,

    Who is this other Crystals that is giving you a good name? 🙂

    Or are you, perhaps, schizophrenic on Mondays? Kelsey one minute, Wanyama Crystals the next?

  75. chas says:

    Thanks for the post, NG.

    Loved the GIE comment at 1.44. 🙂

  76. RA says:

    Yes, Rasp,

    But not just because of this afternoon – however, I for one always enjoy your comments/company and would like to hear more from you on other matters. 😀

  77. kelsey says:

    What do you mean “giving me a good name” I am beginning to wander if you really exist 😉

  78. LB says:

    Rasp

    Could you imagine Coquelin taking the same role as Chambers was expected to play at the beginning of this season? Really? A bit part player waiting for the chance of an odd game here and there? The only reason Chambers puts up with this is because he is young and has time on his side. You surely couldn’t see Coquelin doing that. And yet that is what would have almost certainly happened if we had signed Carvalho, or maybe Carvalho saw Coquelin as a quality HM player and thought why do I want to spend with season playing the a Chambers role myself: a game here and a game there, why, why would he want to leave for that? I cannot see how your call works in practice, what am I missing?

    Wenger had to make a call to back Coquelin or get someone new, he chose Coquelin and once he had done that all common sense says that he must stick by it.

    Couple of things: I didn’t say that you said that we can’t get someone better than Coquelin, if you read my comment you will see that I made that suggestion.

    Arsenal’s policy is to have three layers: “A” the best player that the club can get, Coquelin. “B” Experienced back up: Flamini and lastly a quality up and coming youngster, Chambers.

    Wenger brought Silvestre because we didn’t have experienced back up at the time, we had grade A and youth but no experienced back up hence the signing. You say above that you think in these situation the club should focus on youth? The club’s record when it comes to bringing through youth is exemplary. Silvestre was a minor signing designed to fill a gap. Back up if you like, something you seem to be critical of the club right now for not doing; that is, if I have understood what you are calling for correctly.

  79. RA says:

    Chas,

    I do not know in what context or to which comment he was making his repost.

    Did he mean that Arsene has beaten Pulis (whatever his team) every time we have played them at the Emirates?

    Or that we have lost 4, won one, and drawn two to Pulis away?

    Or that we have scored 19 goals at home and conceded only 4?
    Whilst away we have scored only 7 and conceded 12?

    It is those bar steward away fans under the boozy leadership of A & D who are at fault, and have caused all the problems!! 😀

  80. chas says:

    League pos widget spacing sorted

  81. chas says:

    RA
    repost?

  82. RA says:

    i think that must be your name, Kelsey/Crystals/Wander. 😀

  83. kelsey says:

    I know now RA is The yeti 😉

  84. RA says:

    I love to leave you a typo, Chas, it makes your day. 🙂

    What’s an “i” and an “e” between friends — oh, I see. 😦

  85. RA says:

    ‘pos’ Chas? Well who would have believed it? 🙂

  86. RA says:

    I typed ‘riposte’ again, Chas, and my auto correct, not for the first time, did not like my spelling! Can’t say I disagree! 🙂

  87. RA says:

    Good evening, all, afore i offend anyone else. 🙂

  88. chas says:

    You’ve spoilt it now, RA, revealing my guilty pleasures.

    It did actually take me a while to work out what you meant, truth be known. I started looking for an earlier comment to begin with.

    To tell the truth I only replied because you specifically addressed me and I know it winds you up if you’re ignored like kelsey. 🙂

    Right, now back off up the comments to re-live the highlights of today’s ‘luck’ debate. 🙂

  89. chas says:

    RA
    Liar, Liar, pants on fire

  90. kelsey says:

    is that at home or on the blog, chas 😉

  91. chas says:

    ‘pos’ is technical WP jargon speak which only Rasp would understand.

  92. Rasp says:

    Thanks LB, on the basis of that, no player would ever sign for any club. I am sure the first thing players (agents) look at is the salary. A player like Carvalho is not going to think that a club spending 33m on him would intend to sit him on the bench – but equally if he does not perform, that is where he should go if Coquelin outperforms him.

    Absolutely I can see Coquelin putting up with being on the bench at Arsenal if we had a stronger option on the pitch. He’s been really good for us, but as far as I know the Bayerns and Barcas aren’t knocking on the door. He may be first choice for Watford or a smaller club abroad. He has earned his place in the first team for sure, but too much reliance has been placed on him. Coquelin is not the problem, Arteta (and to a lesser extent, Flamini) is the problem.

    Where does your ‘3 players policy’ come from? – I haven’t seen it on any official Arsenal site. Possibly 2 quality players and a pool of decent utility players might be enough, we just have to manage their appearances in a way to minimise fatigue related injuries.

  93. chas says:

    Arsène Wenger says Francis Coquelin’s absence is a “good opportunity” for other members of his squad to prove their quality.

    The Arsenal manager confirmed on Monday that he will be without the French midfielder for “at least a month” after Coquelin sustained a knee injury at West Brom.

    Wenger has Mathieu Flamini as a ready-made replacement, but says he will also consider Calum Chambers.
    “We don’t know yet [how big a blow it is to lose Coquelin],” the manager said. “It is of course a disappointment to lose him on the longer term but we have players who can compensate. We have lost a player of quality for a while and we know this can happen during the season.
    “We have players who play in this position, like Flamini. We have players like Chambers [too], because he has been educated as a central midfielder.
    “Sometimes this is a good opportunity for other players to turn up and show they can do the job.”
    Wenger confirmed that Aaron Ramsey will be available again after a month out with a hamstring injury, but he may not play him against Zagreb on Tuesday.
    “I have 24 more hours [to decide],” he said. “He’s had just one training session with the team and of course that’s a bit risky. But I haven’t completely decided yet.”

    Courtesy Arse.com

  94. chas says:

    I feckin hope Rambo doesn’t play tomorrow night.

  95. Rasp says:

    I agree chas, too risky.

  96. Rasp says:

    I’d like to see Chambers given a go at DM, but AW never did that with Vermaelen even though he had played in that position at international level.

  97. chas says:

    I’d fancy The Mighty Boosh there, too, if he’d been in better form at right back.
    If the squad players don’t step up when given their opportunity, we stand no chance.

  98. mickydidit89 says:

    Great chit chat today. Well played all.

    One question, if we beat Zagreb and Olympiacos by 2, are we through no matter what?

  99. kelsey says:

    he’s very clever with his words our Arsene and the pressure on a raw recruit like Chambers will be enormous, and quite frankly IMO he isn’t ready yet nor proven.

  100. chas says:

    The Greeks have to lose to Bayern. 🙂

  101. Rasp says:

    Mickey, if Olympiacos get even a point at Bayern we are done for

  102. chas says:

    kelsey
    Neither was Coquelin

  103. Rasp says:

    It’s most likely that flamini will get the call at DM tomorrow, we just have to hope that we don’t to sustain any more injuries in the game

  104. mickydidit89 says:

    Thanks Lads
    How exciting. It’s not often you get a game where everyone will have their transistors on in one ear. Love all that. Makes the evening even more edgy.
    Really wish I was going tomorrow, but just not possible.

  105. chas says:

    Can you just imagine what the press conferences would be like? 🙂

  106. chas says:

    No-one expects anything other than a resounding win for Bayern at home, even playing at half pace.

  107. GunnerN5 says:

    Fortunately I’ve just got back from a doctor’s appointment and I missed out on the dialogue of the now banned word – how’ that for good XXXX.

  108. mickydidit89 says:

    Crystals 🙂 ha ha brilliant work Chas
    Remove the Emirates sponsorship and replace with Head and Shoulders and its cigar time

  109. kelsey says:

    Fame at last 🙂

  110. LB says:

    Rasp

    Thanks for taking the time to explain. We have very different views of how things work at the club. I will stop here.

    As for the three layer concept, true it is not official, it just always struck me over the last twenty years (the Wenger era) of going to Arsenal week in and week out of how things work.

    The loss of Coquelin is a big blow, I expect to see Wilshere back earlier than expected to take up his natural role in defensive midfield.

  111. GunnerN5 says:

    I would be very happy if we finished 4th in our CL group and could then put 100% of our effort into both retaining the FA Cup and winning the PL.

    Our team is a physical mess and this would be an ideal time not to rush Ramsey or the Ox back. The next 3 PL games are very winnable and winning them would boost the teams confidence ahead of games against Man C and the Saints.

  112. RA says:

    Ahh, ouch — OK, OK, if there is a smell of smoke on the blog it’s because my underpants were on fire – that bloody Chas!!!!!

    Not that I want to contradict anyone, like Chas, or anything, but I actually heard the magisterial Arsene with my own ears, nobody else’s, shit is that an asterisk or an appos trophe – oh bollix to that, but, as I was saying, I heard Arsene say, Le Coq-a-doodle would be having another scan tomorrow, but that he would be out ‘for at least two months’ – none of your namby-pamby ‘one month’ stuff.

    Sod me — poor old Wenger is growing more like Crystal Kelsy as he gets older – good looking bloke, really. 🙂

  113. How many of us have seen Carvalho play, if so how often. I, for one, haven’t got a clue if he is a decent player.

  114. GunnerN5 says:

    FIFA ethics judge opens cases against Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini

    FIFA ethics judge Joachim Eckert has formally opened cases against Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini and hopes to give verdicts in December.

    A spokesman Eckert for says Blatter and Platini “will be invited to submit positions including any evidence” and can request hearings.

    The FIFA and UEFA presidents, currently suspended for 90 days, face bans of at least several years for alleged financial wrongdoing.

    The investigations chamber of the FIFA ethics committee said Saturday it submitted final case reports and asked for sanctions against both officials. Details were not given.

    The case centres on $2 million of FIFA money Blatter approved for Platini in 2011 as backdated salary.

    Both deny wrongdoing and say they had a verbal contract to pay Platini for work as Blatter’s presidential adviser from 1998-2002.

    Swiss federal prosecutors opened criminal proceedings against Blatter in September for alleged criminal mismanagement, over the Platini deal and an undervalued sale of Caribbean TV rights for the 2010 and 2014 World Cups. Blatter was suspended on Oct. 8 by the FIFA ethics committee.

    In excerpts released Monday from a television interview, Blatter, without specifying his illness, said he was near death when hospitalized for stress-related problems this month.

    Blatter insisted to RTS in his first television interview since leaving the hospital on Nov. 12 that Platini, his former protege, is “an honest man” who should be cleared of wrongdoing.

    “If he comes back, he will be elected,” Blatter said. “And then if he comes back, I’m coming back also.”

    The suspended FIFA president was “between the angels singing and the devil’s fire.

    “But it was the angels which sang,” Blatter said, adding “happily I never lost consciousness” during the 48 hours when most ill.

    Parts of the interview were released ahead Wednesday’s full broadcast.

    The French-language broadcaster said in a news report late Sunday that the 79-year-old Blatter was treated in intensive care for several days.

    Blatter acknowledged he had been under “enormous pressure,” with personal legal problems arising from the $2 million payment and feels regret at not deciding to step down after a successful 2014 World Cup in Brazil.

    Two days before the May 2015 election in Zurich, American and Swiss federal prosecutors revealed their investigations of bribery and corruption implicating FIFA and senior officials.

  115. LB says:

    Martin

    He must be good he has the letters “HO” at the end of his name.

    To answer the question, I haven’t seen hardly anything of him.

  116. Terry Mancini says:

    Personally, when someone says there unlucky I find it really exciting, usually means something bad has happened to them

    No one wants to here another harp on about there success or how they have a great wife. Tell me there skint, or how they suspect there wife is having an affair, hopefully with me, then ime stimulated and refreshed

    The only time luck should be used is when your looking for an excuse. Your image is caught on cctv and DNA is all over that women’s washing line, then convince the judge that it’s just your bad luck you have an evil clone who happens to have tranvestite tendencies

    Mind you, if any one wants to share a bad luck story, then ime all ears.

  117. mickydidit89 says:

    Martin
    People like me are terrific judges of talent. One youtube clip, the price tag, and we know whether to bother buying or not 🙂

    GN5
    “I would be very happy if we finished 4th in our CL group”
    Personally I want to qualify and get a Real Madrid type of game, but I get your drift. Hence the need for a transistor radio tomorrow night. If, by luck ( 🙂 ), Olympiacos are winning at half time, then we need to start shipping goals at a very great rate during the second 45 to ensure missing out on Thursday night football 🙂

  118. mickydidit89 says:

    LB
    “The loss of Coquelin is a big blow, I expect to see Wilshere back earlier than expected to take up his natural role in defensive midfield”

    Defensive midfield. Now you’re just trying to start a fight 🙂

  119. GunnerN5 says:

    Micky, my heart wants us to continue in the CL but my head fears for the negative effect on our players, if we lose many more our entire season could be in tatters.

  120. kelsey says:

    LB
    “The loss of Coquelin is a big blow, I expect to see Wilshere back earlier than expected to take up his natural role in defensive midfield”

    Defensive midfield. Now you’re just trying to start a fight 🙂

    I will second that 😉

  121. GunnerN5 says:

    The fight is on………………..let’s go!

  122. Terry Mancini says:

    Blaster and Platini are fools. The only way they can get off is they plead bad luck.

    When Blatter took over Fifa he was at the time madly in love with a beautiful Brazilian youth, who though homosexual, had standards.

    This left Blatter heartbroken and distraught so after spending a year in the Braziian wilderness, developed a dependency on eating trees. The wood, which he was not getting from the Brazilian youth, turned him horribly obese, but did have the desired effect of creating amnesia

    So all those years of taking bungs, Blatter was really innocent. He couldn’t remember anything and was full of wood

    It wax only years later, when Blatter spotted the older, but still beautiful Ronaldinho, all the old feelings and memories came back. Yes, an innocent man, a tradegy

    Platini has done nothing wrong. On the day he received all that unsolicited money, he actually won the French lottery

    In his excited state, he forgot to claim his winnings, but coincidently received a large amount of money from an Arab prince, which of course he believed was via his lottery win

    Both men are innocent

  123. LB says:

    That is supposed to be a devil’s wink but I am hopeless at smiley faces……………..but think about it……………..

    Just because he can score goals doesn’t mean he can’t defend?

  124. RA says:

    He cannot do much on one leg, tho’. 🙂

  125. chas says:

  126. chas says:

  127. No problem Arsene, bung ’em a grand each and everything will be kushtie. Make sure Platini gets his cut though, usually twenty percent.

  128. Aaron says:

    Caught between a rock and a hard place. We are a Champions League club period! If we go the Europa route play the under 21’s for goodness sake not even worth our time-ever! But Arsene will be forced to play our first team-watch. Which means we are back in for 3 full time competitions which is where we are right now. To much for our threadbare cupboard.
    Arsene has to sign someone this January or we will be done, and this is if we make it through December in top 7. If Chambers somehow miraculously transforms into some super DM will be all the more grateful to the soccer gods, luck or Arsene.

  129. chas says:

  130. chas says:

  131. mickydidit89 says:

    Chas
    Shall we assume Absurdist is a drama queen and a tosser?

  132. mickydidit89 says:

    Damn, have to go. Early bird day

  133. Gööner In Exile says:

    What bad decision making

  134. chas says:

  135. chas says:

    FFS, GIE, don’t start that bollix again. 🙂

  136. Gööner In Exile says:

    No one like Gibbs for the DM/HM role? Pace, good tackler, willing to do a job for the team, there is a player who has shown the right attitude for the club, and has accepted that Nacho has the shirt and it’s up to him to fight for it back. But they are not a million miles apart.

    I personally think Coq may have waited till the end of the season but he was hardly likely to go back to being a bench warmer, he has always wanted to play, hence his constant loan moves rather than staying at the club and accepting the pay cheque. But after a season of breakthrough I think a few clubs would have been lining up to match his wages and give him game time. Whereas in the past I doubt others have been ready to match wages and therefore he has rightly (for himself) accepted the loan moves.

    Should say I was surprised at Arteta coming on for Coq as I see Arteta in the Santi role more than the Coq role if we are plains a true DM but maybe that indicated that Arsene had one eye on qualification still and wanted to make sure he had a fresh Flamini for tonight if Coq wasn’t going to be fit?

  137. Gööner In Exile says:

    Not subtle enough? 😀

    Clearly my 1:44 was too subtle too or maybe it just goes against the perceived wisdom.

  138. Rasp says:

    Okay guys, I give up, obviously everything is down to luck, there is no point in having a manager or strategies or tactics because none of that matters all the matters is if you get lucky you win – fair enough 🙂

  139. Big Raddy says:

    Love the chas 6.17 p.m.

    Some fine banter yesterday. A very enjoyable read.

    Rasp. I said “odd bunch” not the diversity and idiosyncrasies of one another.” 😀

    I agree about Carvalho though the only time I have seen him play 90 minutes he was completely anonymous and certainly not worth 33m.

  140. RA says:

    Chas,

    I don’t know who P. Nishead or Phil MyCrackin are but their ‘BBC’ sports news is great and they have a fan-ni in me. Thanx. 🙂

    In addition, the note about the U19s game this afternoon was helpful, and I will watch that. Thanx, again 🙂

  141. RA says:

    No! No! Please — nobody respond to flipping Rasper and his *uck obsession.

  142. RA says:

    I liked the Chas 6:17 p.m. too Randy — Kelsey Crystals, who would have thunk it? 🙂

  143. RA says:

    I should clarify, the appos-trophe/axterisk at 8:08 is definitely not ‘f’. 😀

  144. kelsey says:

    RA

    Have you been given a new injection that makes you get up at least two hours earlier 🙂

    I have already received two requests to manage PL clubs since posting my news conference on FB, thanks to chas.

  145. mickydidit89 says:

    Erik
    You have a post to write. Just thought you may need reminding, what with you being like what you is ‘an all 🙂

    Blimey, nasty thought. Does anyone reckon we’ll all still be on here when we’re in our 80’s and 90’s, all forgetting who each other is, what year it is, and who are The Arsenal anyway?

  146. Rasp says:

    So are we now saying that we can only have one top player for every position and only have back up players who are happy to sit on the bench? Hmmm, well that is not the way any of the top clubs in the world operate.

    They have one top player who is seen as first choice and then a line of ‘pretenders’ all champing at the bit to depose them. When the top player is rested for a game, he sees it as a compliment as he is valuable and being rested and the player who comes on for him is fired up and giving his all to impress.

  147. Eddie says:

    Why is Raddy writing a pre match today?

  148. Rasp says:

    Are you serious Eddie? 😀

    You do know we play Zagreb this evening ……..

  149. mickydidit89 says:

    “Why is Raddy writing a pre match today?”

    A brief, but telling, glimpse into the future of AA 🙂

  150. Rasp says:

    😆 Micky, we will need to change our name I guess …….

    …… Arseheimers?

  151. mickydidit89 says:

    Rasp
    You have my sincerest sympathy. The solution is to adopt a sense of humour and a nodding look of “yes dear” when dealing with some on here 🙂
    I quite like the luck debate, although taken to a logical conclusion means one thing. Wenger must go 🙂
    Then the “we cannot ever under any circs buy anyone who might at any time demand First XI football,because of our little darlings”.
    Again Rasp, the nodding look 🙂

  152. Rasp says:

    Thanks Micky, I know you are right …. I’m just like one of Steve’s fish … can’t resist taking the bait 😆

  153. Eddie says:

    ….This coupled with pretendies makes me feel alive again, great fun ☺
    The only problem I have is chas not wearing full kit on match days at home?!

  154. mickydidit89 says:

    Picture this. We buy a footballer, Player A, who is considerably better the role currently occupied by Player B.

    Player B, decides to leave rather than be part of a more competitive squad.

    Well, see ya later 🙂

  155. mickydidit89 says:

    Eddie
    It’s not unusual for away fans to select low profile garments, and leave “colours” at home, and I think in the spirit of things, this is how Chas and Ant will approach “away day pretendies”

    However, to keep it real, once “into the ground/garden” they will select the fat abusive skinhead sitting above right of where they are standing, and upon the Arsenal scoring, will, in unison, be pointing up at said bastard chanting “you’re not singing any more”

  156. Eddie says:

    Ha ha ha ☺ yes, the garden scene requires full kits

  157. mickydidit89 says:

    Oh God, Raddy has nodded off at the keys of his typewriter 🙄

  158. Big Raddy says:

    There is a ……..

    New Post

  159. Gööner In Exile says:

    Micky and when new star gets injured? Oh yes back to square one.

    Rasp show me the evidence, I linked to the squad lists yesterday? Show me how ManUre, Shitty, Chavs have a deeper squad.

    In my view we have 18/19 of first team quality, who wouldn’t look too out of place in our starting line up:

    Cech
    Ospina
    Hector
    BFG
    Kozzer
    Paulista
    Nacho
    Gibbs
    Coq
    Rambo
    Jack
    Santi
    Ozil
    Alexis
    Ox
    Theo
    Welly
    Giroud

    Possibly add Debuchy and Flamini

    That’s a squad that can win things will be happy to rotate etc, now remove half that list and we are in the mire, but as I ask, show me another PL squad that goes deeper when you lose 7/8 of the core squad..

  160. RA says:

    Leaving aside the fact that we could not, even in a Micky Wonderland, have two ace players in every position, as we might as well abolish the youth teams, as a maximum 25 man squad – 22 = 3. So, that’s 3 spares for an extra goalie or two, and 1 for all our future stars.

    On the other hand, some, like me, think we don’t have 11 ace players as it stands, let alone 22.

  161. Rasp says:

    Hi GiE, at no time have I said that manure, shitty or the chavs have a deeper squad. What I have said is we had an obvious weakness in alternatives in a key position which should have been addressed.

    Further to that I refuted the suggestion that we cannot recruit good quality players because it would upset those that may be relegated to the bench.

    The difference between us and most of the teams you list is the number of injuries our players suffer and that makes the need for quality reinforcements even greater. I have no problem with the majority of the players in our squad, we have some brilliant footballers, they have my full support.

    Modern footballers are highly paid career athletes and as such competition and money are the 2 greatest motivating forces – you cannot have one without the other.

  162. RA says:

    A nice gentle rant, Norfolk. 😈

    Just when I was putting that game out of my head — you remind me how disappointing it was.

    But that is what rants are for – good one. Are you doing another later? Well it is Black Friday and we expect 2 for 1 at least. 😎

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