Rooney doesn’t dive … he’s an English bulldog
Gerard doesn’t dive ….. he’s a legend
Eduardo is a diving foreign cheat …..
Discuss …. and tell me again why on the spot video replays will ruin the game???
Rasp
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‘morning all, well Rasp the video evidence is clear enough, no contact!
Sadly even the England manager now condones diving. His (reported) words to the effect that Rooney didn’t dive but merely took evasive action to win a penalty.
So that’s ok then!
Morning Norfolk, let’s not forget that Rooney dived for the pen that ended Arsenal’s 49 game unbeaten run …. he’s a cheat
What chance have we if Hodgson is of that mindset – would he have made the same judgement if say a German player had done that against England in a European quarter final?
Clearly there was no contact in the Rooney/Preston incident. Let’s just say that he took evasive action and fell over …. if that was acknowledged the ball would have gone out of play, no penalty, goal kick. A 10 second video replay would have been definitive and Preston would have still been in the game.
Replays for contentious decisions will mean that more correct decisions are made and that players will think twice before diving, stamping, headbutting etc.
Thanks Rasp
Northerners.
Moving swiftly on, and I apologise for taking a swerve here, but I am quite pleased with the Utd draw. The home league defeat to them earlier in the season really hurt as we know we missed a great opportunity. Yes we broke that big game spell against City, but it would be fantastic to knock Utd out at their gaff and right that wrong.
Hi Micky, but if you could beat them ‘at their gaff’ in only one of the upcoming league game and the FA cup game – which would you choose?
FFS, Rasp. 🙂
Even after watching the dive and the offside umpteen times, some of the so-called experts are saying that the ref was right to give both.
Both of those incidents proved that video evidence would be an unmitigated disaster.
What is it about being a co-commentator that turns you into a dickhead?
Martin Keown – what a knob!
😆 chas, some of the so-called experts are numpties. It is very clear, there was no contact with Rooney last night.
I know you feel differently. My argument for on the spot replays would only be for game changing incidents. I do not go along with the ‘take too long’ argument as the melee that surrounds the ref when one side feels aggrieved often goes on for ages and leads to conflict. If the players were waiting for an instant review, some kind of calm would be established.
What did Keown say? I didn’t listen to his commentary/analysis
I used to love it when the commentator paused for 10 seconds or more without saying anything.
Now, the pundit jumps in immediately there’s the slightest pause, as if we won’t be able to bear 1 second of silence. It’s the aural equivalent of elevator music.
Rasp
Watching the rugby the other night, it was taking ages for them to make up their minds with the video ref bollix.
That’s in rugby where it’s usually fairly black and white, i.e. did he ground the ball, did his foot go out of play.
In football can you just imagine what would have taken place last night?
Two numpties disagreeing over whether Rooney was interfering for the offside decision or not for 10 minutes.
Followed closely by the same two numpties arguing whether Rooney legitimately hurdled the challenge from the keeper and then accidentally fell over like a hippo with gout. 🙂
My impression from social media was that Keown would have verified the ref’s decision on the penalty if he’d been your video ref.
(I had the sound so low after the first 5 minutes, I couldn’t really hear much of what he said)
The mancs liked him also (which is something in his favour 🙂 ).
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/twitter-has-been-less-than-impressed-by-martin-keowns-commentary-for-man-uniteds-win-at-preston-30997573.html
I see 🙄 I think if the video evidence is not decisive, you just go with the refs decision – not stand around for hours deliberating.
Even if Rooney legitimately hurdled the keeper, a penalty should not have been awarded.
I agree 100% about the pen, he even forgot to leave his foot there as the keeper went past and had to kick the ground to fall over.
The trouble is that some of the ‘experts’ thought otherwise.
It just shows that even with replays the correct decision is just as far away.
I don’t understand
Hi Perez, the titles above the video clips are ironic = the opposite to the true meaning … sorry to cause any confusion to our friends from abroad.
Right, I’ve killed the blog for a change, so here’s a small selection of twatter dive tweets.
https://twitter.com/darrenmichael/status/567440921537839104
Perhaps my favourite…..
https://twitter.com/GeneralAFC/status/567435806097145856
Rasp, on video evidence.
Whether or not a player dived is a judgement call made by the referee. I think the apposite words are “in the referee’s opinion”. what happens if the video evidence is inconclusive? Is the benefit of doubt given to the defender or attacker, or do we just carry on from where the game stopped?
Video evidence is fine for “line decisions”, such as is the case with goal line technology.
I would be extremely wary of introducing any other such video evidence.
In Rugby Union the number of questions now being asked (of the T.M.O.) is increasing with every game. Some referees are even asking the T.M.O. to go back through several phases of play to see if there has been a foul, or a forward pass, in the build-up the a try.
Football is a simple game refereed by simpletons. Let’s keep it simple but improve the standard of the officials.
While we are at it, let’s introduce a Law/Rule that only the team captain can approach the referee, anyone else doing so should be booked.
Hi NG. The point is that there is a much higher chance of getting the decision right if you employ video evidence than if you don’t.
It would have to be structured in such a way as to cause as little delay as possible though and I share the concerns about interruption to the flow of the game.
I like the team captain idea and thought that there was such a rule in place – but maybe that was rugby again?
Rasp, in Rugby Union if a player shows dissent to a referee, the ball can be moved forward ten yards. A repeat of the offence will see the player sin-binned for ten minutes.
Players, in general, are more respectful of the referee than in football but recently there has been much more back-chat occuring and the refs have not been penalising it as they should.
If the sin bin was introduced into football, I fear that we would end up with just two ‘keepers on the pitch and the other twenty players huddled together on the naughty step. 😀
Is Le Boss developing a sense of humour? 😀
If I remember correctly there were calls from the media for Arsenal to replay the game against Celtic. Fuck the media. Fuck united. Fuck rooney, in fact fuck everything
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and 10 ok that’s better
now let’s be honest it’s long overdue for us to give united a proper hiding we’ll have to be clever because they cheat almost as much as chav scum, but I’ve no fear going into that match. COYG
Great rant ‘if you’ ….. and what about this? …
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-fa-right-to-follow-wengers-lead-1070957.html
Top five Arsenal wins at Old Trafford
Man United 0-1 Arsenal
October 20, 1990
This game may have been won by Anders Limpar’s first-half goal, but it will forever be remembered for the mass brawl that broke out between the two sides. Nigel Winterburn and Man United forward Brian McClair had previous after an altercation two seasons earlier, and they came together again at Old Trafford. Their confrontation near the touchline saw 21 players get involved in an incident that saw the Gunners docked two points and the hosts one. Despite that penalty, Arsenal went on to lift the Division One title.
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Man United 0-1 Arsenal
March 14, 1998
If ever a single game has turned a title race on its head, it was this one. The Gunners, in Arsène Wenger’s first full season in charge, headed to Old Trafford nine points behind Manchester United – albeit with three games in hand. Marc Overmars’ 79th-minute strike – poked through the legs of the onrushing Peter Schmeichel – secured the win and dealt a decisive blow to the hosts’ Premier League ambitions. Such was the effect of the result that Arsenal went on to win the title with two games to spare and also lifted the FA Cup for the first of Wenger’s two Doubles.
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Man United 0-1 Arsenal
May 8, 2002
When Arsenal made the trip to Old Trafford in the penultimate game of the 2001/02 campaign, they knew – having won the FA Cup four days earlier – that a victory would seal an historic Double. Despite the absence of Thierry Henry, Dennis Bergkamp and Tony Adams, Wenger’s side played with real confidence and secured the title when Sylvain Wiltord, on his 100th appearance for the club, reacted first to slot in after Fabien Barthez had parried Freddie Ljungberg’s shot. Having had a fierce rivalry all season, this was a landmark result as the Gunners won the league at Old Trafford, sparking the chant that is still heard today.
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Man United 0-2 Arsenal
February 15, 2003
Having won the Double the previous season, Arsenal slugged it out with Man United game by game, point by point the following year. This FA Cup fifth-round clash was very much a heavyweight contest, but the Gunners played with real verve – although they were lucky to escape when Ryan Giggs rounded David Seaman only to shoot over the bar with the goal gaping. Minutes later, a deflected free-kick from Edu opened the scoring for Wenger’s side and they sealed their progress seven minutes into the second half when Wiltord added a second. The Gunners would go on to win the FA Cup, but narrowly missed out on the league title.
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Man United 0-1 Arsenal
September 17, 2006
After a disappointing start to the 2006/07 season, the Gunners travelled to Old Trafford in desperate need of a morale-boosting victory. Their cause was not helped by the absence of the injured Henry, while Gilberto’s early missed penalty only added to their unease. However, they started to pass the ball about slickly and became the more dangerous of the sides – and Emmanuel Adebayor slotted home a winner in the 86th minute. There was a further twist as Jens Lehmann was required to make a stunning late save to deny Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, but Arsenal held on for their first win of the season.
“Man Dived like he saw a pool filled with grannies ffs”
I haven’t spontaneously spat coffee at the computer screen for a long time but this one splattered it.
Interesting RAsp.
I would ask you this ……
If Theo dived at OT and got us the winning penalty would you complain?
Hi Raddy, I’d be happy we won and unhappy that he’d dived 🙂
But actually I’m more concerned about the judgement of those who claim not to have a bias.
The UK media are focusing on Rooney’s dive today and most are expressing their incredulity that the TV pundits didn’t see it as an obvious dive.
Rasp,
It’s a total disgrace when a top professional cheats and the “system” allows him to get away with it! I don’t blame the referee’s as it is a split second decision – I blame FIFA and the FA for not implementing video technology.
In the NFL the rule is simple if there is not irrefutable evidence that the referee’s decision was incorrect then his decision stands. A minute or two for a correct decision makes it worthwhile in this man’s opinion.
I agree GN5, I don’t see why that wouldn’t work on the EPL
I really cannot see the correlation between The NFL and the premier league.
From what I have seen, the action in the NFL stops between each play giving the plethora of umpires etc. ample time to make their decisions. This is definitely not the case in football, or should I say soccer, for clarity?
A minute or two for every contentious decision would see the game fragmented. where would the excitement be then?
There will be video replays and will happen in 20 years or probably a lot less , probably coincide when the game becomes massive in the USA .
I think NG is wrong about all the breaks in play ruining the game as it could be done with, for example, allowing each manager 3 calls per game and maybe only on penalty decisions and goals scored from offside/fouls etc`..
Yes it may add an extra 5 mins to a game, but so what ?….if it ends all the cheating and unfair decisions which effect all teams….which Manshafter Std have benefitted more than most !….What was that old stat where no away team had got a penalty at Old Toilet since VE Day !. hahaha
It`s inevitable, only a matter of time !.
Nice one Rasp
Ime against video replays Rasp. Anything that gives further potential for Michael Owen to indulge discussion terrifies me.
To be fair to Rooney he only dives for attention. I have it on good authority that when Wayne was very young he fell in a sack of potatoes and only after months of extensive DNA testing was the real Rooney identified
Some unkind people, not me of course, believe that those potatoes should be re examined, but its thought that in a fit of canibalism, Rooney ate the evidence.
Lets be honest, Eduardo looks extreamly foreign and played for Arsenal, which of course makes those who inappropriatly wear track suit bottoms at funerals, very suspicious.
Indeed, recently poor Eduardo had a very narrow escape from a mob of track suit bottomers who mistakingly shouted “Its that foreign bastard Diego Costa who plays for Arsenal, get him”
Ironically, Eduardo managed to escape all contact by diving into a Taxi.
Love chas 5.36!
Chelsea at PSG tonight. Expect George Graham’s Ian Wright tactics – 10 men behind the ball and Costa the only bloke in the PSG half.
Could be a Borefest but any game with Ibra is worth watching
NG you have made up a premise and you are arguing with yourself.
I am only talking about penalty decisions. The play is already stopped for an eternity to cool off the aggrieved team and to prepare for the penalty kick – a video review would take less time overall and would result in a clarified decision.
Now you can argue with my suggestion and not your premise.
If you want a discussion about the NFL then I will gladly participate. Here’s and opener for you I believe it is one of the top sports and is also one of the most well refereed games. Due to video replays, of only certain types of plays, very few decisions end up affecting the outcome of the game.
I am interested in the NFL debate.
If the manager of a team who challenges a refereeing decision is incorrect, what is his team’s punishment?
There has to be a punishment, of course, or managers trying to waste time would challenge everything.
Thinking a bit further, in view that every touch down is automatically reviewed, I don’t really see why the same couldn’t apply to penalties.
And, if after a time limit of two minutes, the judges are undecided, then the referee’s decision should stand.
I am arguing against myself here.
It`s not because he plays for the Chavs, but Costa definitely has them untrustworthy insincere ugly mutt looks of a dodgy kebab shop owner who you just know has pissed in the chilli sauce !.
Definitely works part time down Blackstock Rd in one of the AAers favourite kebab joints !……and you thought it was lemon juice when he squeezed his lemon ( I`m sure there`s a Led Zeppelin line about squeezing a lemon ! ). hahaha
If you don’t believe me them have a butchers yourself !.
“dodgy kebab shop owner” lol
LB,
An NFL manager is only allowed 3 challenges per game and only certain plays can be challenged (I don’t know them all by memory), the manager has three red flags and throws one when he wants to dispute the decision. If the decision is overturned then he gets to keep his red flag (for further use) if he is wrong then he loses his red flag.
You are correct LB all TD’s are reviewed – why not review all goals and penalty’s – the game would be vastly improved if poor decisions and cheating became a thing of the past.
LB,
To assist the managers they have people who look at the TV replays and they inform the manager if they believe the decision was incorrect.
Every goal and penalty would be a great start for video playback !…….when the average numbers of goals per game since the EPL started is only 2.64 !……and…. it is only on average something like a penalty given (either way, for or against ) every 4 games, then it is not time consuming at all !.
Cockie,
We might even get to see more football as the time currently taken to reason with players and to set up the penalty is lost time – whereas the time taken for a video replay could be noted and added on to the additional time at the end of each half.
Agree GN5. The only trouble is that a 90 minute game could become a 110 minute game which means the early leavers from the ground will miss a third of the game!
IMO improved technology can only improve the game, we see too many awful refereeing decisions most of which could be rectified with video tech
PSG game. When the commentator says it is a technical game he means it is deadly boring
PSG 0 Chelsea 1 at 36 minutes –
GN5
I more or less understand the red flag system in the NFL but what I still can’t see past is if, in the NFL, whoever throws the flag is deemed to be wrong then his team lose a time out, but my question is what would be the punishment in the EPL for a wrongly thrown red flag.
Are you saying that each manager should have three red flags and when he has used them then that is it? Nothing wrong with the idea, I just wanted to understand.
As an aside I see no problem with the game going on longer than it already does. 95, 100, 110 minutes, so what.
LB, I was responding to your question in relationship to NFL rules – I did not, and do not advocate using a red flag system in the EPL.
LB, here is a part of the Red Flag rule, and as you can see I was wrong about the amount of challenges allowed.
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NFL Football Challenge Rules
Number of Challenges
NFL challenge rules allow for two challenges for each team during a game. A third challenge can be awarded to a team only if they are successful in both of their previous challenges. If one or both of those challenges is denied, then the team does not get a third challenge. In the last two minutes of each half of play, team challenges are not necessary. The officials automatically review all controversial plays during this time.
Cavani is good, let’s buy him
Eddie
Was he playing in the middle or on the wing?
Rasp and Raddy
Come on…do you? And you know exactly what I’m talking about, it’s that screwed up face when playing the high notes 🙂
Rasp says:
February 17, 2015 at 11:51 am
Hi Micky, but if you could beat them ‘at their gaff’ in only one of the upcoming league game and the FA cup game – which would you choose?
Answer: bloody hell that’s a tough one. Normally I would take top four over an FAC, just because I like the CL games so much, but on this occasion I’d take the FAC win and pray we still get top four
As regards the television replay debate, the major fear seems to be that it will cause delays, while also that it won’t clear up everything.
For both issues, why not have the FA and FIFA implement video replays in all friendlies. Major decisions like Red cards (whether given or not given), offsides, goals (whether there was a foul or handball or something of the sort) and penalties, should be reviewable. Whether this is on a challenge system, or an automatic referral by a video ref, or whatever, that can be tried out.
Time lost is not a legitimate factor in my view. As it is we play only about an hour of football. Reduce the reward for diving, remove players arguing with the ref, mic up the ref so he can explain his decisions to not just the players but the crowd, and England, please use more than one match ball, and I bet we save more time than we lose.
But as I said, this debate can easily be solved, and the working of the video ref assessed and improved easily enough if we just use it in friendlies throughout the world for say, the next two seasons. But will the FA or FIFA allow this? No way. They didn’t allow Arsenal to use goalline tech at the Emirates Cup a few years ago.
Admittedly I was very sleepy while watching yesterday, but it is the first time Cavani impressed me. I can see where Micky gets his man crush for him from. (Though the truth is it’s probably a combination of his price tag and youtube) 🙂
I think he played out wide Micky. Zlatan gets the striker position.
Despicable Chelsea scum.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/racist-chelsea-fans-push-black-man-paris-metro
Morning All,
Micky. 7,45 Only if Mrs R lets me
Price is everything Shard 🙂
Actually, he’s been crap since he moved from Napoli, but was sensational in Italy.
BR 🙂
I keep trying to think of a post topic, but cannot remember what I’ve already written about
No-one else would be able to remember either. 🙂
Morning all
Need a post for today if anyone fancies writing one pretty please
ha ha 🙂
micky – chavs wouldn’t let him play through the middle. He could only find space from the right.
peaches – I have written some nonsence, if there is absolutely nothing else. Will send it to nuts soon
Eddie
Eddie
Eddie
Eddie
Eddie
Micky
I didn’t mean that your posts aren’t memorable, of course, only that we all suffer from failing memories. 🙂
Too late Chas
Up Eddie
speak for yourself chas, nothing wrong with my memory and I remember every story about Uncle Earnest. Not sure what he had to do with the AFC, but still – great tales
Oh yeah, like you remembered all the times DidIt had spoken about his daughter!
“I don’t read newspapers anymore – I just lie to myself and cut out the middleman….”
This article was referenced on twitter yesterday. It’s not football-related but interesting nonetheless. (beware bad language)
http://www.frankieboyle.com/frankie/free-speech.html
chas. how dare you Eddie has perfect memory. She recalls games we played three weeks ago – how many can honestly say that?
Interesting article Chas
Run out of time to read but will later
Back for coffee break in an hour or so to honour Eddie
Raddy
The season hadn’t even begun three weeks ago. Had it?
Sorry all , I published the new post before I was ready doh
……. just need to sort the videos ……… sorry Eddie, you can all play on it though
………………………New Post ………………..
Sorted 🙂