All the Kings horses and all the Kings men….

 

Abou Diaby

 

Abou Diaby, the glass man who cannot be put back together again. Every time he seems to get fit to play, we hear that he is injured again. There are those who are romantics and think the club are doing the honourable thing by keeping him on the books, paying his wage and hoping that one day he will play again. Alternatively, there are those who believe he should be sold and a place will be made for a new player to come in.

It is a tragic case I know, none of us want to be seen as heartless, but the reality is that he is taking up valuable space in the team. It has come to the point where questions have to be asked about the feasibility of his tenure at the club and the financial consequences.

Should we keep him or should he be sold?

What, in the best interests of the player and the club, is the answer?

Written by northbank69

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171 Responses to All the Kings horses and all the Kings men….

  1. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Thanks NB

    Abou will be 29 in May and earns 2.6M pa.

    I’ll now have a quick think about whether that’s relevant or not.

  2. Sell Diaby? Who the **** would buy him?

  3. Rasp says:

    Oooh a dangerous topic NB – thanks.

    I heard somewhere that we were duty bound to offer Diaby a new contract last time and therefore had no option.

    If that is true – why did we put ourselves in such a ridiculous position?

    I have nothing against Diaby. I know very little about him. But in purely business terms it is utterly ridiculous that we are still paying his wages.

    The numerous false dawns of promises of his return have been and gone so many times, even the most ardent supporter has to accept that he will never be a regular in the team.

    It is very sad for Diaby and the club that a player with such talent should be let down by his body. Its nobody’s fault, but it is a fact and the money he has already earned means he is a lot luckier than most who cannot pursue their favoured career.

  4. NG

    Perhaps saying “to be sold” should have been “to be let go”. But if micky is correct. £2,6m pa is a lot of money to be permanently on the sick. How much longer has Diaby got on his contract?

    I can’t stick around, it’s bar time, will return later. 🙂

  5. The Cockie Monster says:

    Probably one of the most skilful Arsenal players ever, just a shame about the injuries . 😦

    Lets put an end to this yearning for …Rack, smut etc` of the day and have something simple like….Arsenal Shirt of the Day !.

    By kind permission of Transplants Loft !.

  6. Big Raddy says:

    NB. Thanks for the post.

    No-one will buy Diaby, shame because he seems like a decent bloke and is a terrific player.

    It seems ludicrous that people question AW for having him at AFC; the man has a contract. How could anyone have predicted Diaby would have the appalling series of injuries?

  7. Gilly says:

    His case is just unacceptable. We are not running a charity but a club based on a sustainable business model. He has to earn his wages, not given. He should just go. There is a limit to everything.

  8. Rasp says:

    Hi Raddy. Do you think the club did the right thing in extending his contract when he had already been affected by a string of long term injuries?

  9. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Nice 69

    No big deal for me.

    Diaby has been very unlucky as have Arsenal with the guys injuries.

    I dont care if the guy has earned a shed load of money sitting on matrons lap, thats the way it goes, contracts and all.

    Maybe the Club could have been ruthless and terminated the mans contract earlier with a fat pay off, but ime glad they didnt.

    Firstly, we took a gamble that did not come off that he would make a return, and secondly, its the humane thing to do to give him a chance. It also sends a signal to the rest of the squad. Give your all to help yourself recover, and we will stick by you.

    What ever happens to Diaby in the future, I wish him well.

  10. Just before I go, Raddy, in most companies, if you have been on sick leave for two years they will bring you in and talk about terminating your employment. Should it be diffrent in football?

    Right, defo going for a drink now…

  11. I suppose we should keep him, if he ever gets fit enough to make it out of the tunnel and all the way onto the pitch he’ll be like a new signing. 😀

  12. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp. I don’t know where Diaby was in his recovery when he was offered a new contract – perhaps he was laying or close to full fitness.

    NB. If I were Diaby’s agent I would insist upon full payment of his wages for the length of his contract to leave the club, so why not take the long-shot chance that he will get fit – it costs the same?

  13. RC78 says:

    He should be extended with a low salary…and high insurance policy…He should then be loaned out to another team either in EPL or Scottish League…for 1 year. If he does well and is fit, we take him back…otherwise, the loan can turn into a transfer

  14. RC78, nobody will take him on loan until he proves his fitness, if he does that we keep him. If not we ditch him at the earliest opportunity.

  15. JM says:

    Diaby is coming to the end of his current contract at the end of this season, and could opt to leave (or retire) after having his testimonial (10th year at our club).

  16. Eddie says:

    JM – why would Diaby opt to leave? It’s not as if he is getting a raw deal! I am sure he’ll be gagging to sign a new contract

    thanks nb, good topic!

  17. The Cockie Monster says:

    Just had an update on Diaby`s current injury status !.

  18. The Cockie Monster says:

    If only we had sold him earlier in the week when he was seen training with Alexis !.

  19. The Cockie Monster says:

    We should have sold him to …..Plaster of Paris St Germain !.

  20. RA says:

    Let’s see — most people in employment expect to be kept on after they suffer through an accident or illness, usually at their full pay, and after an extended period the pay is reduced, and eventually if they have to leave because they are unable to work, the state picks up the bill.

    Is that not true?

    It’s usually stated in the employee’s terms and conditions of contract.

    Boy would there be a lot of squealing if the employer said to the employee, ‘Fook that – you are costing me money – go and sod off.’

    I find it odd that there are fans so concerned with someone else’s money, (the club’s – Kroenke’s) that they choose to demand that Diablo is given the boot.

    — Oh, he has had long enough to get over it, you will say, but how do you know what is in his contract of employment? Are you suggesting that Arsenal renege on those terms.

    — Oh, he’s taking up ‘space’ in the team/squad, says the FIFA 15 team managers who know so much better than Arsene — obviously.

    There has been a hard fought history of employee rights, where working people – and yes at base that is what Diablo is – do not have to rely on management largesse, but on civil and statute law enshrined in their contracts, but to hell with that, you say, throw the fooker out – I have decided enough is enough.

    I am sure you will be totally surprised that I have little time for that thinking – and if it applied to those of you taking a hard line on Diablo I suspect you would not either.

  21. RA says:

    Cocker — double 😀

  22. chas says:

    Cheers, Soixante
    His contract expires in June.
    I’d be worried if we offered him another. 🙂

  23. GunnerN5 says:

    On the few occasions that we saw him play he demonstrated skills very similar to Vieira and could have become our ace in the hole. Unfortunately he was full of holes that could not be plugged.

    Typically s contract is a contract and is payable in full unless a termination agreement is reached.

    I also agree with the opinion that it’s none of our (supporters) business how the club spends it’s money.

  24. GunnerN5 says:

    Afobe joins Wolverhampton Wanderers

    Benik Afobe has completed a permanent move to Wolverhampton Wanderers for an undisclosed fee.

    The 21-year-old forward has been on loan at MK Dons since the start of the 2014/15 season and scored 19 goals in 30 games for the League One side, including a brace against Manchester United in the League Cup in August.

    A graduate of Arsenal’s Hale End academy, Afobe first joined the Gunners aged eight. He went on to become a regular for Arsenal’s under-21s and featured for the first team in pre-season.

    The England under-21 international had previously taken in loan spells with Bolton Wanderers, Reading, Huddersfield Town and Sheffield Wednesday.

    Everyone at Arsenal would like to thank Benik for his contribution to the Club and to wish him all the best at Wolverhampton Wanderers.

  25. chas says:

    Another player looking less than thrilled at leaving the best club in the world….

  26. Shard says:

    RA has already said everything I would point to against the idea that we should just get rid of him, except he is more eloquent and less ‘in your face’ (Told you I wasn’t eloquent)

    I like Diaby and I think it was the correct decision to offer him the previous contract we did. He was 24 then, and quite possibly on his way back. If he’d gone to Juventus and stayed fit, Arsenal fans would have complained and cribbed like ManU fans do about Pogba.

    The same fans also wanted to be shot of RVP before his annus mirabilis, and of Aaron Ramsey when he showed poor form after a major injury.

    The argument is that we would have bought someone better at the time, but that would mean selling low and buying high, which we could not do in that period. As it is, it was less expensive, and more conducive to a squad building outlook that Diaby stayed. Well worth the risk, especially if insurance is covering any of his wage costs.

    He is out of contract now, and I doubt he’ll be offered another. Hopefully he can restart his career elsewhere and do well.

  27. chas says:

  28. chas says:

  29. RA says:

    Hi Shard, 🙂

    Like all businesses I suspect Arsenal would always insure their assets.

    My suspicion is that the insurance would cover all players during the course of the players’ contracts.

    It might be the case that the premiums would’ve gone up a lot recently, because of our overall injury problems, but dependent on the terms of the insurance cover, Arsenal may well be reimbursed for a proportion of the costs incurred for Diablo’s salary etc, but also the consequential loss of his services over a period of time.

  30. David Stewart says:

    Arsenal done the right and honourable thing in standing loyally by one of their players (shame some of our players haven’t shown the same loyalty to the club in recent times).

    However, a line needs to be drawn at some point and the expiration of his contract, this season, is the time to make that assessment. Personally, I think it comes down to your belief in Diaby’s ability as a footballer. Opinions will certainly differ. For me, it will be time to let him go.

  31. Shard says:

    RA

    Here’s a new theory on the cause of our injury problems…

    Insurance fraud!!

    Kroenke out!!

  32. RA says:

    Damnation, Shard, you could be right, not that I could possibly comment – they can sue you tho’!! 🙂

  33. I thought this subject would raise a few strong opinions. I was preparing it for my blog but thought it would get e better airing and debate on here. 🙂

    I do think that it’s admirable that Wenger and the club have stood by the player during what must be a traumatic time for him, wanting to play but his body letting him down. However, as some point out, there has to be a point where a decision is made.

    The idea of him retiring and getting the benefit of a testimonial sounds good, but the big question would be, will he be fit enough to be able to play in his own testimonial?

    Redders,

    All well and good discussing employment law and the rights of the employee, but if you were in the position of the employer and you were paying someone £2.6m a year to stay on the treatment table, where would you stand then?

    Right, I’ve unfortunately got to go off again for a while…. don’t think I’m trying to get out of a debate…. I’ll be back soon 🙂

  34. RA says:

    NB,

    What is at stake here is the principle of ‘dismissing’ someone irrespective of their employment contract, (terms unknown) because some fans are ‘demanding’ it.

    On your other point — You do not know how much Diaby’s contract is for, and neither do I, so how can you have a ‘position’ based on the hypothetical amount he is being paid? — My point referred to the principle, that affects all employees, not just those who are fit and able.

    I do not require lecturing on that.

    The time for Arsenal to decide what they wish to do, regarding the further employment of Diaby, is when the employment term between them comes to its natural conclusion, at the end of his contract.

    What seems to be ignored in all this, by the way, is that if the same ruthless action were to be taken, in similar circumstances, by employers discriminating against disabled people they would be in breach of statutory law – so, if the only reason for dismissing Diaby, outside the terms of his contract, was simply based on his physical condition, I think that would be to open Pandora’s box.

    Arsenal would not want to be involved in anything like that – and as enlightened employers they would not do it.

  35. RA says:

    I am off too — and will not be back to discuss this any further.

  36. GunnerN5 says:

    Warning this is off subject and not to be read by Peaches Mum.

    ………………………………………………………………………………….

    A family is at the dinner table. The son asks his father, “Dad, how many kinds of boobs are there? The father, surprised, answers, “Well, son, there are three kinds of boobs. In her 20s, a woman’s are like melons, round and firm. In her 30s to 40s, they are like pears, still nice but hanging a bit. After 50, they are like onions.”

    “Onions?”

    “Yes, you see them and they make you cry.”

    This infuriated his wife and daughter so the daughter said, “Mum, how many kinds of “willies” are there?”
    The mother, surprised, smiles and answers, “Well, dear, a man goes through three phases.
    In his 20’s, his willy is like an oak tree, mighty and hard. In his 30s and 40s, it is like a birch, flexible but reliable. After his 50s, it is like a Christmas tree.”

    “A Christmas tree?” “Yes. The tree is dead, and the balls are just for decoration.”

    Brings tears to your eyes…eh?

  37. LB says:

    Excellent conversion starter NB

    I am in the camp that feels the club have done the right thing.

    The way I see it is that if I were the father of the next 13 year old Messi would I want my son to sign for a club that will honour his contract if he is unfortunate to get injured or one that tries to find ways to get rid of him?

    And, be in no doubt, there will be a next Lionel Messi.

    For this to all make sense people you have to take a long term view, the club most certainly have.

  38. Keep him here for one more year and he can have a well deserved testimonial.

    Kercchhhhhiiiiiing !!

  39. RockyLives says:

    LB says it all for me.

    I suspect he will depart at the end of his current contract.

    Then he’ll be miraculously cured by the divine touch of a passing messiah, will return to full health, be signed by someone else and win the ballon d’or. 😀

  40. Honouring a contract is one thing, Arsenal honoured the first and offered another, Arsenal honoured the second and offered another, Arsenal are honouring the third, how far should this go. ?

  41. stevepalmer1 says:

    Afternoon all, Nice one NB, bit late with this post but still applicable years and years on.

    Diaby is a so called footballer who has made a very good living not playing. 20 minutes in two years tells you all you need to know about him.

    Wenger has had faith in this walking injury list, so much so that he has not replaced him although he knew we were desperate for someone that plays in his position.

    I would have thought that the penny would have dropped for Wenger by now but when Wenger see’s a vision, he is like a dog with a bone.

    Many supporters hate to hear a bad word about Arsenal players as they feel we should support them all, Diaby has been supported far to long and far to much 29 years old and you can write his career on the back of a stamp.

    Injuries is another story, Diaby must have a medical book at home as he has had everything you can possibly think of, everybody says its not his fault, no its not its Wengers for not seeing it years ago.

    This morning i saw a story about a Fat mother and daughter who can not work because they are too fat, they don’t want to diet and they are both very happy with the 34 thousand pound a year that the state payout in benefits, apparently being slim made them unhappy so now have no intention of diets or working. This government fall for it every time don’t they, did i hear you say Wenger.

    We have got a few, who look like following Diabys path, Walcott Ramsey Wilshere and now Debuchey how long do you keep this kind of thing going before you see the light. Now i bet some one will now come back and say i shouldn’t say that as i am probably not Politically correct

  42. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Right, thinking done.

    I’ve always thought the club have been doing the right thing, but I’d stop renewing at the end of the next one.

    Although having said that, maybe he could stay an Arsenal player, but be loaned out under a lesser contract where someone else covers the wages and he doesn’t occupy a squad place.

  43. In reply to an absent Redders

    I wasn’t lecturing mate, I was asking. And who mentioned Disability Employment Law, a totally different kettle of fish. With regards to Diaby’s annual wage, I’ll blame Didit because that was the amount he posted this morning, and as he was correct about my pitiful attempts at trying to charm Eddie, so I believed him.

    I think however, that there is somewhere that a players correct annual salary can be confirmed.

    But anyway, Redders, your not listening to me cos you’ve done a runner and will refuse to reply to this comment. you wimp 🙂

  44. MickyDidIt89 says:

    NB

    I looked the info up on google/wiki. Probably not far off, but still irrelevant to all the cases put by everyone I think, so doesn’t really matter.

  45. Thanks micky

    At the end of the day, Diaby , if he has been wise and cautious with his earnings, should now be a multi-millionaire. If the club doesn’t renew his contract this year and he decides to retire due to ‘ill health’, he will be comfortably well off and he could possibly take a nice little earner with French TV as a pundit / commentator.

    As someone approaching retirement where I will earn a pension of approximately £500 per month ( and that’s if the British government honour my pension fund) I don’t think he has it too bad…. do you?

  46. Shard says:

    riiight… Debuchy popped his own shoulder out so he could just get his salary without having to play. Just like Diaby and the other fat lazy people living off govt largesse.

    Steve I get the frustration, but this is ridiculous. Once the contract is signed, that money is his. Whether he plays or not. It’s not like he, or any other player who is injured, is refusing to play out of laziness.

    It has nothing to do with political correctness steve. Criticism has to make sense. This doesn’t.

    There are fans who advocate throwing money at players even like Lorik Cana, Christopher Samba, Scott Parker, Gareth Barry or whoever else comes along every single year, and there’s a problem with a couple of million a year in salaries being paid to someone who had his leg smashed while playing for us and works hard in rehab and training to try and get back on the field? Pffft. To me, that’s low and mean spirited at worst, and misguided at best.

    I am not advocating giving him a new contract (based on his injury history, and the fact that we have more funds now), but I see nothing wrong with having given him his last one. Everyone’s a genius armed with hindsight.

    Let’s say we hadn’t signed Diaby to his last contract 5 years ago. So we’d save let’s say 3 million that season in wages. Who would we replace him with for the same amount that we’ve saved? Transfer fee plus wages. Remember this was when we were in a pinch financially. Even over 5 years, at most he’s cost us 15million? If we hadn’t signed him, we’d have paid 15million for his replacement, and then paid him more in wages.

    On the other hand, if he’d gotten fit, he was still only 24, and had already exhibited his talent. He would be worth a lot more than what we were paying him and what we would get for him in exchange if he were to be sold.

    A club and manager that is so careful with money would have made the risk vs reward calculation and it makes perfect sense that we signed him up then. Why the angst just because it didn’t go the way all parties wanted it to? Why? I really don’t get it. Money is certainly not the reason here. The club made the correct financial decision at the time.

  47. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Got it.
    New contract time for Abou, and if he wants to carry on trying to be a footballer, sign him up (no-one else will until he’s up and running) and let him train at Arsenal. Pay him a wage and he could do odd chores around the office. Then loan him out and see what happens. Bingo, everyone’s a winner.

  48. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Look Shard, I know you said you were trying to be a hippy and all caring and touchy feely, but you were the one that suggested Abou be sent to Scotland to get better.

    A harsher sentence it’s hard to image.

    After all you could have suggested The Carribean or somewhere nice and warm.

    🙂

  49. MickyDidIt89 says:

    hard to “imagine” 🙄

  50. Shard asks who we could have signed for the money saved by not offering Diaby his last contract. Anyone who could run around a football pitch for more than twenty minutes without pulling a muscle and spending the next two years in re-hab.

  51. stevepalmer1 says:

    I knew a few would back Diaby. Yes i can see that working very well, let him see his contract out, sure we honour contracts, Of course its Arsenals fault we rushed him back before he was fully fit, 20 minutes in two years and we expect him to be up to speed. Yes let Diaby do little errands or little Chores while he heals, we have bundles and can afford it. No point looking for another player far to much money, let this window go by Diaby may be ready for another twenty minutes by the time the new season Starts.

    Frankly we were stupid spending all that money On Sanchez when we had Theo injured just think how much we could have saved, why buy Debuchey when we had Sagna all he wanted was a 3 year contract and we give them away. Your all having a laugh aint ya.

  52. Shard says:

    NG

    I could probably do that and that would not work out better for the team. But really, they would have found someone else if they could predict the future.

    Judging a decision solely by the result is a poor way to carry out an analysis. Especially if you ignore what the circumstances and information available at the time were.

  53. RA says:

    Norther, [aka, Rack Meister]

    How very dare you to call me a wimp!! I told you that in the strictest confidence!! 🙂

    What I meant was that I would not return to continue discussing the question, as that would only result in everyone becoming oomegoolie birds going around in ever decreasing circles, with disastrous consequences.

    What I have been doing in the interim is to count up the number of players we were ‘eye-ing’ or preparing bids for, or scouting, and subtracted the number of players who have ‘snubbed’ us, or have decided they love Manure, or we are offering £20m less that the selling club wants.

    The alleged results, so far, have been, about 24 definite, or semi-definite or ultra dodgy bids, of which Manure have outbid us on 15, and we have been snubbed on 3, and the tea ladies in a variety of clubs around Europe have told a reliable source that we may or may not make a bid, on 6 others.

    So that gives us a big fat zero (net).

    I freely admit, most of the specialist information mentioned above has been gleaned from NewsNow, and sadly I have not been able to bring myself to read the ‘stories’, but they are all cast-iron, and the only fly in the ointment is that Arsene is an old meanie and has refused to play ball, other than to say it is all crap. 🙂

  54. Shard says:

    steve

    You’re mixing up the past, present and future.

    In the past, 5 years ago. It was unknown that Diaby would basically spend that entire time out. It was known that he was a young, talented player, and that he had some injury issues. It was also known that we effectively had no money to go out and buy an adequate replacement, even with the money we would save on him. Hence, it was decided to give him a new contract.

    Once that happened, it is impossible to ‘just sell him’. Because no one would buy him. It is possible to replace him in the squad however. Since our finances eased up. we have bought more players and with the increase in number of midfielders and we do not miss Diaby.

    Where is the ‘having a laugh’ bit? What part of that doesn’t make sense to you?

  55. MickyDidIt89 says:

    “oomegoolie birds”

    Off to look that up as well. Has all the makings of a favourite word 🙂

  56. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ooops, forgot, children to get

  57. Perhaps with the cost of players and the wages they now demand, maybe it’s time for what goes into a contract to be reviewed. Managers must have something in their contracts which says if you don’t achieve A,B and C, the board will have the right to terminate your contract forthwith. Managers get sacked all the time. So I see the future being the same with players, performance related and ability to turn up and get onto the pitch and play a game.

    what do I hear… is that floodgates opening?

  58. RC78 says:

    There are some disappointing transfer rumours going on right now…Some Croatian box-to-box midfielder who is a great player (Modric’s style) but not a DM and then an Argentinan Forward playing for Parma and then Gundokhan who is outstanding as box to box but is not a DM…

    Seems AW want to add more “Ramseys” and more “Campbells” to the team…ODD

  59. Shard, how much information do we need? The blokes injury record stands for itself.

    If he was a racehorse, he’d have been down the knacker’s yard years ago.

  60. I’ve met ‘oomegoolie birds’, they’ll kick you in the dangloids and you shout, oomegoolies

  61. RC78 says:

    Totally off topic again but Carragher says that Rosicky should not play against Man City. What do you believe?

    I am by no means a fan of Rosicky but he is on good form right now, which is nice to see…So what do you think? Shall he start vs City?

    My team would be:
    Ospina – Chambers, BFG, Kos, Gibbs – Flamini, Coquelin, Ramsey – Ox, Giroud, Sanchez –

  62. Fuck it NG

    I was thinking of using the horse analogy, but thought it was too cruel to suggest that Diaby needs putting down 🙂

  63. Shard says:

    According to the PL website. Abou Diaby’s career appearance history is as follows

    2005-06: 12 (3)
    2006-07: 12 (3)
    2007-08: 15 (6)
    2008-09: 24 (8)
    2009-10: 29 (3)
    2010-11: 16 (3)
    2011-12: 4 (4)
    2012-13: 11 (1)
    2013-14: 1 (1)

    The numbers in brackets are the substitute appearances.

    Diaby signed his last contract with us on 1st Jan 2010. This was a player who started 16 games the previous season (after having recovered from a nasty injury), and was in the middle of a season where he ended up starting 26 games. And people want to argue it was the wrong decision to get him to sign a new contract?

  64. Micky, the Oomegoolie bird has no legs, hence when it comes in to land it screams…..

  65. The Cockie Monster says:

    Terrible news !………as you all know from my earlier clip, Diaby passed away @12:00pm……..but being classiest of clubs in honouring contracts to the lame, disturbed and psychotic serial killers etc`…..Arsenal have gone that extra mile in offering Diaby a new contract !……yes !, I have photographic evidence of the contract talks held with Diaby!….Sir Chips is there and Stan is sporting his newest syrup as made by Rug maker to the Royals, Terry of Bounds Green !.

  66. If any of you read my GunnersoreArse article about the land where the new Emirates was built, you will know that in the 70’s it was a scrap yard…. perhaps there’s a curse which injures all our players 🙂

  67. Shard, and since signing that new contract he has played in 32 (9) games, and not completed a single match.

    I rest my case!

  68. The Cockie Monster says:

    The Arsenal Board………….”Is there anybody there ? ”

    Diaby………….”Fcuk off, I`m dead, but I`m also injured !”

  69. Shard says:

    So, Norfolk. Just to be clear, you are saying that you expect Arsenal to accurately predict the future?

    Despite signs that a 24 year old talented football player had seemingly recovered from his broken leg, and was performing well (both borne out by his number of starts)

  70. RC78

    Why is Carragher saying Rosicky shouldn’t play? What’s it got to do with him?

  71. stevepalmer1 says:

    Shard, I think i understand some of your points, and of course i am not rubbishing your views. You seem to me to know your stuff, so we see things differently.

    Diaby had been out injured for what seemed to me to be a lifetime, but he did get a game in the reserves which he came through . One game Shard, would you say that was enough, as we have seen the divide is massive as not too many reserves are bursting into the first team.

    I hear from experts all the time that the Premier is the toughest and best in the world, so why do we field a player who is not up to speed against Premier league sides when they are not up to speed.

    Theo another that has been out for a whole season, not one reserve game, sits on the bench for a month and when he does come on is nowhere near Premier ready.

    Now i realise that we have highly trained Medical staff and they should know when a player is ready, but they are not . Many say that an injured player who returns may need half a dozen games before he is match fit, surely not against the best in the world, surely thats why we have reserves, Even in my day we had to prove we were ready before playing for the A team.

  72. Oi Redders

    You said you were off for good and not willing to re-enter the fray, so I thought I could say what I liked about you with no come back 🙂

  73. Shard says:

    steve

    Now that’s an entirely different discussion. The simple truth is, I don’t know. But I don’t think other PL clubs do that for their injured players very often either. It’s not something unique to Arsenal.

  74. RA says:

    Norther,

    You are partly right. 🙂

    I was responding to your comment when you said that you were off for a lie down, and I said I was off too (for good is a figment of your imagination) — I had things to do, people to see, etc, and I also averred that I did not want to discuss the matter in hand any further as it had the distinct possibility of becoming facile.

    Anyway, you can, of course, say what you wish, and when I see you, I will produce my little black book with it all recorded, and decide with the aid of Terry and Cockatoo what retribution, if any, might be in order. 😀

  75. ahh Redders, if you get Cockie and Transplant involved, there will be retribution of the most horrific kind, unbearable pain in the regions where I don’t wish to experience pain 🙂

  76. RA says:

    NB, Imagine what it’s like for Terry when VCC and Cockatoo set about him!! 🙂

    I am slightly perplexed that Micky has not had the Wild West Show sung to him, and learned all about the elephant and the kangaroo, as well as the oomegoolie bird. Quite shocking! 🙂

  77. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Even though we all may have different views on Diaby, one thing we shouldnt forget is that this was all started by a thugish tackle by Sunderlands Dan Smith

    He caught him with a high studs up lunge from the side so Diaby did not see it coming. it was also on the touch line, making a tackle of that nature totally unnecessary.

    The end result is that Diaby now has one leg shorter than the other and will now spend the rest of his life staring at people at a misaligned angle.

  78. RA says:

    He is OK on hillsides tho’ Terry, provided his short leg is up the hill.

    Standing the other way around has sparked nasty rumours that he is Jill’s mate Jack. 🙂

  79. stevepalmer1 says:

    I thought he viewed them from a laying down position

  80. The Cockie Monster says:

    Diaby was a victim of a crime by dastardly Dan Smith !.

    Victims of crime often don’t know they are victims !……take Transplant !…..for the last 6 months he has been sitting reading and commenting on AA with his laptop taking no interest whilst his Mannequin wife has been watching East Enders !……..pay the ransom you bastard !.

  81. The Cockie Monster says:

    Some times I have these philosophical questions enter my head !.

    What is the greatest ?…………………..the Spuds fear of 5th or their love of humiliation ?.

  82. MickyDidIt89 says:

    RA

    Just finished The Wild West Show Song 🙂

  83. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    The answer of course Redders, is secret height increasing shoes. I myself wear them, making me six inches taller. Its hard carrying this secret when not wearing them though. When first married, to stop the Mrs finding out i would have to constantly bounce up and down.

    Steve, hahaha, we all like viewing them laying down mate

    Cornwall, what you on about? No one would bother kidnapping my Mrs. A couple of miniutes with her and they will be calling me asking how much i want to take her back

  84. arnie says:

    nice one, NorthBank. 🙂 On second thoughts, a brilliant but sad one. 😦

    This is just unlucky, but I suppose the club is not losing much by him being with us. If the insurance contracts were written right. Arsenal have done the right and honourable thing.

    Now, about the new contract, what Arsene said in early Dec is that he will be offered one if he can get himself fit. I suppose that is an incentive to try hard. But perhaps there was also an end date by which he had to get fit. Was it Dec end?

    Who knows what’s happening with Diaby? On the list, the injury is a calf muscle strain, which one would not think is very serious? Honestly, this is a mystery. Is he being eased out then? Probably that is the case.

    Sad, but no complaints about that as well. 🙂

  85. arnie says:

    hmmm. -9F outside which is about -23C. I wish I had made Micky’s New Year promise! 😛

  86. The Cockie Monster says:

    Alright then Stretch !…..how much and how do you want paying ?…….I take it you wont take a cheque !.

  87. arnie

    Fuck that for bunch of monkeys, I you go there voluntarily 🙂

  88. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Cornwall, you do know that victims often fall in love with there kidnappers? It wont be long before you feel the force of a three point nelson mate.

    arnie, for gawds sake protect your knackers. I had a mate who got frost bite were you least want it. Hes now working in the John Lewis perfume counter and watches strictly come dancing

  89. RA says:

    I know that Micky likes (loves?) cats (the feline ones) and I wonder why.

    A young lady of my acquaintance introduced me to her ‘rescue’ cat or really it was more of a kitten. I thought it was cute and allowed it to jump on my knee – well I said allow, but as it had its claws just thru’ the material of my jeans ‘allow’ might be a slight exaggeration.

    Liking its cheek, despite myself, I stroked its soft fur and embarrassingly made some silly soothing sounds while the moggy purred. This went on for a while and the kitten seemed to nod off.

    Suddenly, it woke, gave my finger a crack of its paw/claw and jumped down onto the floor with a hiss. I looked at it and thought what did I do wrong?
    The bugger looked back at me over its shoulder, and I swore I heard it say, “Nothing – I had just had enough – you big bastard”.

    Telepathy? Well it was a female, feminine feline and you know how the other sex can get into your head.

    How can you like dem varmints, Micky? 🙂

  90. Redders

    And what’s not cute about this

  91. And this is the translation into English

  92. RA says:

    Excellent, NB, and there is something quite appealing about them and if I had been taught properly I would have been careful to ask permission first. 🙂

    Actually, I would be prepared to swear that the kitten spoke Limey English but straight into my head.

    The secret world of cats.

    It’s dogs for me tho’. My dogs have always spoken to me with their eyes – soulful, hopeful, beseeching, cross etc — they cannot speak like cats apparently can, but they communicate well enough.

    Crikey, that makes me sound soft!! Oh, well. 😀

  93. Right I’ve finished for the day, my internet wi fi connection is playing up. An excellent debate today… thanks Ladies 🙂

  94. RA says:

    G’Night, Norther.

  95. arnie says:

    NB. 🙂 yes, I agree, voluntarily. but why should that deter me from whinging a little bit? my birthright, is it not? 😛

  96. arnie says:

    Peaches. I hope you are taking good care of yourself. You have been a bit under the weather for a while now. Get well soon. 🙂

  97. Eddie says:

    arnie – it is not the weather that made her ill.

  98. arnie says:

    all bollox, but always good to see plenty of Arsenal related transfer gossip in the twatter space! 😛

    … yet? 🙂

  99. arnie says:

    Evonne. 🙂

  100. arnie says:

    somehow I had a feeling one could always blame the weather! 😛

  101. arnie says:

    very nice, Chas. 🙂

  102. Eddie says:

    arnie – you spent too many years in Scotland 🙂

  103. arnie says:

    yes, Evonne, and Finland, and Michigan. 😛

  104. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Good news

    “According to Metro, the North Londoners are ready to sign €81m German and Borussia Dortmund duo Mats Hummels and Ilkay Gundogan.”

  105. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Good news

    “With the January transfer window wide open, Arsenal hope to pad their line-up with another option at striker, and a signing of young ace Paulo Dybala would look to be a huge boost for the Gunners”

    Well, when I say good news, it’s not like I’ve ever heard of him, but the price tag is a reassuring £40M

  106. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Update, and it’s bad news

    That bloke above. Not good. Just read the true figure is a measly £31M 😦

  107. Morning Micky

    All alone on here this morning I see, I thought Eddie might have joined you considering you’re in there 🙂

    £31m… pffft, too cheap for us mate. Let’s go the hole hog and get Messi for £300m.

  108. Diaby is on £2.6 million/annum. What a waste of money!

  109. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    On a more positive note, Monaco are definitely beatable 🙂

  110. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Bonjour Provence

    Ah The Who again.

    Exile off to see them this year armed with Mogadon, G&T and a blanket in case it’s chilly.

    Back in the day, it was two kilos of Sulphate for me.

    That leaves The Hippy. Hardly Yellow Submarine is it? 🙂

  111. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ah GG
    Australia lost at anything? Again 🙂

  112. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    Most likely MDI89, we are poo these daze.

  113. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GG
    🙂 Well played Sir. Think England are shit as well.

  114. The Who are one of my favorite groups, but don’t think I could go to see them now… ageing and sad.

  115. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    We’re shitter 😯

  116. MickyDidIt89 says:

    NB

    Eddie is doing a post, unless you know who has slipped by with a bunny again

  117. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    When I hear Baba O’Riley I think of Fever Pitch 🙂

  118. I watched Fever Pitch for the first time in years the other day, still brilliant after all this time. 🙂

  119. If someone slipped into her bunny then there is no chance she’ll be writing a post this morning 🙂

  120. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Yeah NB
    When I was looking for those clips, I saw them playing in NYC for the victims of the towers gig, and it was not good.

    Reminds me of the only time I saw Bowie. It was ’82 and was really disappointing

  121. Gööner In Exile says:

    Sorry for pre 9 am football chat.

    Let’s remember we should be eternally grateful to Diaby for one moment.

    Ok joke. Look how every Arsenal player reacted tho that was only 7 years ago, what’s happened in the game?

  122. A song for Eddie… she’ll like this. Also the best of what Australia are producing music wise these days 🙂 apart from Kevin ‘bloody’ Wilson 🙂

  123. GIE

    I mentioned that the other day, about how players, after seriously hurting someone in a tackle or foul, nowadays just walk away and don’t give a shit about the player on the ground. Something has gone wrong hasn’t it.

  124. Gööner In Exile says:

    Arsenes changed……tut tut

  125. Gööner In Exile says:

    Yes NB it certainly has, and not for the better.

  126. Mind you, in the day on Hackney marshes, I didn’t give a shit about the khunt who I’d just knocked 5 yards over the touchline with a two footed tackle 🙂

  127. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    Watch this its a goodie, my funny man hero Billy Birmingham

  128. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Anyone believe Mr Wenger is going to spend €60+m in the JW?

  129. Eddie says:

    raddy – no.

    More goss:

    Tottenham have joined North London rivals Arsenal in the chase for West Ham’s 26-year-old New Zealand defender Winston Reid.

    Chelsea (..) to bid for Real Madrid defender Raphael Varane, 21

    I like that Varane guy, shame if he goes to chavs

  130. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Bloody well better do Big, or I’m Wenger Out’ing 🙂

  131. Eddie says:

    nb – thanks for the song, not my cup of tea though. Hating men is not a laughing matter. This woman (good looking, but awful singer) doesn’t have a clue what men can do to women, or she wouldn’t be making a joke of it. Right, I guess I am in a foul mood today.

  132. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Actually Big, I’d do a deal with Arsene.

    No spend money : never start with Long Ball Ollie if everyone’s fit.

    Deal?

  133. Big Raddy says:

    The only long ball will be over the top to Theo, Welbz or Alexis.

    Can’t wait to see how Santi, Alexis and Mesut interplay

  134. MickyDidIt89 says:

    BR
    Agreed and Me Too 🙂

  135. chas says:

  136. Eddie

    If you can’t laugh about the bad things in life then life is over. And get out of that foul mood and write the fecking post for today! Use your anger to to write something we can get our teeth into 🙂

  137. Eddie says:

    nb – I wrote a fecking post and it was deemed too hateful 🙂 it is not going to be published 🙂 There.

  138. Morning all

    It’s true …………. 😉

    Anyone got anything nice and positive they want to say in a post for today 🙂

  139. poigmothoin says:

    Too hateful…..a double negative is a positive Peaches 🙂

  140. Eddie says:

    poig – not if you want an easy life 🙂 I am too ratty today to be cheerful about anything

  141. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Je Suis AA

    We demand free speech. Publish and be damned 🙂

  142. The Rack is innocent 🙂 Freedom of expression

  143. JE SUIS CHARLIE…. my boy charlie

  144. Je suis Charlie aussi, mai cette poste est vraiment incendiaire et rempli de haine.

    It’s not about Eddie’s right to free speech or AA’s freedom to publish and be damned.

  145. ha ha Peaches, you’ve just made everyone want to read it now… that’s the problem with restricting free speech, it wets everyones apetite 🙂

  146. RA says:

    Peaches,

    Firstly, I hope you feel better soon. 🙂

    Secondly, I think you should go by your own gut feeling and common-sense. So, if something seems incendiary to you, it probably is, and it might bring unnecessary problems to the site and the author.

    Especially if it is ‘rempli de haine’. 🙂

  147. RA says:

    NB,

    You are an agent provocateur, and a very naughty boy!! 🙂

    Free speech is all well and good, but not everything is permissible if it is likely to offend.

  148. Rasp says:

    Hi guys,

    We could only publish the article if someone promised to be on hand all day to delete comments from people who are likely to be insulted by the comments/responses 😦

  149. Rasp says:

    …. and even then, I think many of you may not be comfortable with the tone of the article.

    No offence eddie 😛 we’d love to publish another post of yours but you can imagine what kind of responses your post would have generated.

  150. Morning Redders

    But that’s why free speech is so important, it gives people the chance to debate, end those who are offended can put forward why it offends.
    ‘rempli de haine’ or full of hate I think may be a bit strong, I doubt Eddie would incite anything like that. Inflammatory perhaps… but don’t we always welcome something to get the brain cells pumping 🙂

  151. RA says:

    Well, I have had a Post or two rejected in my time, probably because they were crap, and also too flippant – only one on here – and I was glad really, as it was no big deal – life and the Post moves on! 🙂

  152. Rasp

    Surely it is up to the readers to judge if the tone of the article is comfortable or not? 🙂

  153. Eddie says:

    no problem rasp, personally I didn’t think it was that bad and it would only cause offence to neighbours and mancs, so who cares?

  154. Publish and be damned I say…………. let the site be self-regulating.

  155. I now feel like a teenager who’s parents have put a parental control on my computer 😦

  156. ……………We have a New Post …………

  157. RA says:

    NB,

    Here we go again.

    I do not know what has been written and neither do you.

    I am happy to go along with Rasp and Peaches because they have read it.
    If they are concerned about it – that should be an end of the matter.

    You have your own blog, maybe you want to run it?

  158. Voltaire said: “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”

  159. Good idea Redders………. Eddie, if you feel strongly about your article, I can post it on GunnersoreArse 🙂

  160. Redders

    Call yourself an American…. what happened to the 1st amendment?

  161. Rasp says:

    That’s an excellent suggestion Redders. By all means let me know if you wish to publish Eddie’s post NB.

    We have to take responsibility for what we publish and consider the feelings of the readers.

  162. Shard says:

    Je suis Eddie!!

    Until I read it and make up my mind that is 🙂

  163. Clock Parts says:

    see here for the greatest instructions around

  164. bradyoleson says:

    If you can’t laugh about the bad things in life then life is over. And get out of that foul mood and write the fecking post for today! Use your anger to to write something we can get our teeth into

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