Why did we loan out Jenkinson and buy Welbeck?

I am perplexed by all this loanee stuff. I understand that loaning a player helps the balance sheet and allows the loaning side to get a player off the paylist, whilst at the same time allowing the signing team to get a player without the transfer fee and risk but sometimes it is illogical.

Two things come to mind …. why have AFC not loaned Welbeck rather than buy him and why loan out Jenkinson when we are so short of bodies in defence?

Let’s look at Jenks first; we all know he is not ready to play as our first choice RB. However, he was signed to a long contract less than a year ago which indicates the Boss must have faith in him. Getting regular first team play at WHU under Fat Sam (who is a specialist at defensive play) can only assist the young man and assist his development. But why now?

We have just 6 defenders to get us through the season – or until the January transfer window – which given our players proclivity to injury is at best foolhardy. Jenkinson is a big lad and can cover for BFG (in emergencies), plus he has PL experience for when Debuchy get knacked.

You are all thinking “what about Chambers”? And you are right but what happens if one of our CB’s gets injured at the same time as Debuchy  as is inevitable goes into the red zone? Is it better to trust Gibbs will stay fit  and Monreal covers? Not in my opinion.

Perhaps there is a clause in Jenkinson’s loan deal which allows him to return to AFC  with immediate notice, I hope so.

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Which raises the question – is a loan deal contract a fixed loan? In other words if Monaco go tits up in La Ligue can they insist upon the return of Falcao? Or Negredo back to MC?

Onto Welback. Who insisted it was a sale as opposed to a loan? Did Mr Wenger get forced into the purchase by MU knowing the seriousness of our centre forward predicament with the injury to Giroud? In this case a loan with a possible purchase clause at the end of the season was the obvious course, Welbeck may well be the dog’s nuts but why take a £16m gamble?

We will never know how these transfer deals transpire which is a shame.  Were Arsenal (or MU) forced into the purchase? Did FFP have an influence (as they have at Monaco)?

What I do know is that AFC could use Jenkinson in the squad.

written by Big Raddy

 

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123 Responses to Why did we loan out Jenkinson and buy Welbeck?

  1. crispen says:

    Jenkinson was thrown out because he is not good enough now nor will he ever be.. He is not having a bad patch like Rambo a few years ago. he is way below Arsenal level. ..and the U21 RB is far better than him..

  2. Sohara says:

    I like Jenks & really hope he improves enough to make it at Arsenal. I love it that he is a Gooner. I don’t accept that he never will be good enough as crispen says.

  3. stevepalmer1 says:

    Morning all, nice one Raddy.
    Fishing at the mo so this will be short.

    I often think that loan deals are a way out of the club,and with our Karl it may show that Wenger does not see Jenks in his future plans, he has been used but Wenger has seen that Chambers has shown more promiss.

    I feel Jenks has one season to prove to Wenger that he can improve. He will be run ragged atWH and he better be up for it

  4. Norfolk Gooner says:

    ‘morning all.

    Well BR the reason for signing Welbeck is quite clear, he’s just what we need, he’s a proven Premiership striker, twenty-three years old, an England international, not especially injury prone and available at just £16 million. By taking him on loan we risked losing him at the end of the season or having to pay a much higher transfer fee.

    With Jenkinson, maybe Wenger does still see him as a future Arsenal regular, and a season long loan may get him the game time he needs in order to develop his potential.

    I think we can all agree that Debuchy and Chambers are both an upgrade on Jenks at this stage of his career.

    Good business all round.

  5. Phil C says:

    Unfortunately for Jenks he’s not good enough for the team that Arsenal aspire to be. Bellerin already shows more ability. West Ham are a good fit for him and hopefully he’ll thrive there. As for Danny, he’s potentially a great signing for us for a very reasonable price. He’s starting for England tomorrow for goodness sake. As a Brit he’ll always command a premium price in the EPL so it’s unlikely we’ll lose any money even if he doesn’t quite cut the mustard over the next year or two, whereas with a loan the fee is money down the drain if it doesn’t work out.

  6. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Apparently there is a new clause being added to loan agreements. Where before the contract included “An option to buy” clause they now have “An obligation to buy” clause. This is a way to get round some of the FFP rules. Please don’t ask me to explain how this works but you can find some info in today’s Sunday Telegraph Sports section.

  7. arnie says:

    well done Raddy, a double bill as well! 🙂 🙂

    well done Mo Farah, top Gooner! 🙂

  8. Big Raddy says:

    Phil. No argument about the price of DW but couldn’t we have loaned him with a set price buy clause? When OG returns we really have too many forwards – particularly as Theo wants to play centrally

    We have Podolski, Welbeck, Sanchez, Campbell, Giroud, Sanogo, Walcott, all fighting for one or at most two spots.

    As to Jenks. How can you say Bellerin has more ability ? He may well have but upon what do you base this opinion? Can I point out that Jenks has already played for the full England team.

  9. chapuisat says:

    i think welbeck insisted on a permanent deal. there is a chap who understands the value of the arsenal.

  10. RA says:

    Raddy,

    A very intriguing Post, sir.

    The loan transfer rules have now been standardised by UEFA and are very complicated, with differing rules applying to different types of loans and differing periods of the loans.

    I couldn’t be assed to go into every nuance of these rules, but in answer to part of your questions I can say that.

    a) Short term loans (and the rules attached to them) can be for a maximum of 93 days.

    b) Long term loans can be for a maximum of 1 year, and ending at the close of the season.

    c) Players on loan cannot be recalled once they are on loan, except for GKs and ’emergencies’.

    d) Loans for players registered abroad so not appear to be governed by the existing rules.

    e) Players out of contract (not registered elsewhere) are not governed by the rules – which is self evident.

    Why might clubs agree player loans?

    The FFP rules can have some affect on the decisions of both clubs to do so.
    For example if club A wants to sell and club B wants to buy, but cannot spend funds in that window and keep within FFP rules, or simply do not have the funds to buy the player at that time, but can afford to pay the players wages, the rules do allow loans which will help both the clubs in those circumstances.

    With regard to Welly Welbeck, Manure wanted to loan him out to either Spurs or Arsenal, with the view being that he could return to them permanently a much better player, or be worth far more than he would as a last minute sale in the current window.

    Arsenal would not agree to the loan for the very same reasons, altho’ the Spuds were prepared to do so.

    Welly knew he was always going to be a make-weight at Utd, and insisted that he wanted to be sold rather than loaned, and he wanted to go to Arsenal and not Spurs.

    Manu had little choice as they had already bought Falcao, and the £16m fee from Arsenal, as well as taking Welbeck’s salary off their books was pretty conclusive.

  11. arnie says:

    OK, so here is the counter argument. Success and trophies are temporary, class and principles are permanent. What do we fans care about more? Obviously the latter, why else would we fans stick around even after an empty cabinet for 8 or 9 years?

    Likewise, I for one would love to think of our players not as contracted labour but as Gooners. Here is where Jenks comes in very high. He is a capable footballer, but most importantly, his arse is in the right place.

    What about Welbeck then. I know, I know, some will say it is all about professionalism. But for me, there is too much of the smell of ManUre that pervades the environment when he is around. Will that stench be substituted by the smell of a worthy arse. In time? Only time will tell.

    Now, on to the footballing side. Jenks is out on loan because he needs to get game time and learn the game better. And Big Sam is perfect. What about us? Yes, we are short. I think Arsene thought we will get one more body in at the back. But with the sudden injury to Giroud, that did not happen. Greater priorities, short time took teh focus away. It is a bit of a problem, frankly, IMO.

    Why not a loan for Welbeck. Pimples. We want him to play home and away against ManUre and demonstrate to our fans that he is making his best efforts to change the shape, character and feel of his arse to the appropriate standards. A goal in either, or better still, both of the games will help! COYG. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  12. Big Raddy says:

    RA. Thanks.

    Does d) mean Falcao can be returned?

  13. arnie says:

    Agreed, Micky. IMO some of the best beaches in the world, yes the world, are in the west coast of Scotland, the best in the Isle of Lewis. 🙂

    But, shhhhh, let not too many people know. Otherwise, the pristine nature will quickly get spoilt. 😛

  14. RA says:

    Raddy,

    That’s why I said the rules are complex.

    In essence, the loan and the agreement to buy are probably separate legal issues.

    So, for example, it might be agreed, first, to have a 1 year loan, and then, secondly, an agreement to buy on the 1st july 2015.

    I obviously do not know the specifics, and perhaps in practice the whole deal might be incorporated into the loan agreement, and like with a letter of intent it will state the purchase price?]

  15. RA says:

    arnie,

    A wiser man than me might just let your comment go;

    –“Success and trophies are temporary, class and principles are permanent. What do we fans care about more? Obviously the latter”

    I simply cannot agree — with either the sentiment, or the conclusion.

    Success and trophies are pretty much synonymous and we put the dates of our trophy successes all around the inside of the emirates for all to see.

    I do not support the club for worthy but subjective attributes such as class and principles – have you never heard of Sir Henry Norris? – the fans stilled loved the club despite him, and for me what matters is the enjoyment of the football and winning trophies while supporting my team and my club.

    It seems I disagree with you yet again.

  16. Big Raddy says:

    This makes me like DW even more….

    “Spurs were confident of signing Danny Welbeck on deadline-day morning, only for Arsenal to hijack the move and complete a £16 million permanent deal with Manchester United for the England forward. And while Spurs boss Mauricio Pochettino is seen as an ally of Baldini – with the Italian having favoured the Argentinian to take over from Tim Sherwood – the head coach is believed to be less than happy with the club’s summer business.”

  17. chas says:

    ‘Absolutely no idea’, BR, is the answer to your question.

    However, I think both Jenks’ loan and signing Danny are excellent for Arsenal. 🙂

  18. arnie says:

    Redders. 🙂 Disagreement is good. Let us celebrate the diversity of views! 😛

  19. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Cheers Raddy

    i agreed to discuss Welbeck with a Utd fan but on the only on the premise that i asked the questions, he answered them to, and at no time diverted the conversation which could manifest itself into some kind of misunderstanding that at any point in the present or future could I be considered a friend.

    “What can stop Welbeck becoming an Arsenal Great?”

    “The only issue could be that playing for a massive club like Arsenal as the main striker, it might go to his head”

    That for me is the only danger. We have all been there, thinking were something were not. Well, i do. I once spent several weeks talking in a Yorkshire accent.

    One of my first jobs was was working for Enfield Councils audit team. My boss was on holiday so I chaired the Audit budget committe. Something went wrong, and I felt a rush of power that overwhlemed me. I was walking around with twice the normal stride.

    I immediately pointed at some geezer and said, “Right we need to cut back on internal audit. Ideas, shoooot”

    It wasnt long before everyone realised i was a wanker, and when one nbloke responded with “This isnt wall street Mancini, its a bloody council”, I hit back with “Yes, thats why your never make it in the corporate world and struggle for sexual partners. Solutions? Shoooot”

    They all walked out and the next day i was called to the Chief execs office, very nice man, and was asked “Are you okay Terry?, From your CV we see you are on very high dosage anti anxiety medication, did you forget to take them?”

    I was given a nice two weeks paid leave. I needed it to be honest. Walking around with twice the stride had left me with some unplesent difficulty in the groin area.

    I dont think welbeck will have such an easy time, he probably dosnt even suffer from panic attacks. The guy will have to focus and remember who he is. A good player that has now made the move up, with plenty to prove and lots of learning to do.

    Why did we buy him? Because Arsene believes he will do the business, and just as importantly, has the right mental qualities. No screaming for a comfort blanket for him

    As for Jenks, the same princilples apply. Go out on loan an show what you can do. Hes a young guy and it would be foolish to sell a bloke with his potential. Personaly, I still have high hopes that he can come back and be a fine player.

    The Ghosts of the Thirties are Stirring

  20. RA says:

    Terry, 😀 😀

    That just sounds so like you!!

    Anyway, what’s this I heard from the Glicster that you heard how much fun hermaphrodites had, and better still that they sounded like good Greeks, so you have put your name down for an NHS operation to give you a fanny as well as a willy? 🙂

    You won’t last a week after the op!!

  21. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Ide give it a go Redders. hahaha

    Redders, what is your opinion on living for ever? I was watching hard talk the other day and there was this scientist on there who reckons that in 20 years time we will all be able to live for ever? Some thing about stem cells and all that crap.

    The bloke then asked him what would happen if you got hit by a bus? His answer was very disapointing “Err, well then your probably dead”

    It then occured to me that if this living for ever science does come to frution, people would be to shit scared to make the most of it.

    The only thing that alleviates my current anxiety is knowing that one day i will be dead anyway, so theres not that much to lose. Imagine knowing that you could live for ever? You would never leave your house and end up dressing like Michael Jackson.

  22. RA says:

    That is a very interesting question, Terry.

    You do not say what condition you would be in before the change to immortality starts in 20 years time.

    If you had become impotent before then and could not raise a laugh or anything much else, then it might be a waste of time.

    If on the other hand you stayed as you are, and all the lovely ladies remained sexy and beautiful, it could be very frustrating for you to watch me boff them all while you did not get a look in.

    On the other hand, if people kept on multiplying you would end up lying beneath 10 other people as they buggered up the earth, and in 4.5 billion years the Sun would burn itself out and it would be dark — so overall – no thanks.! 🙂

  23. arnie says:

    Nay, living for ever is a beautiful thing, so long as you could give up on the option! 😛 That way you can be assured you will live to see Arsenal lift the CL trophy. But once they have done so, and you had a nice party to celebrate, you could give up on the option! 😛

  24. The Cockie Monster says:

    Imagine Arsene not spending any money forever !.
    I also think we would all end up in prison for murdering our wives for being nagged at forever, which would be worse than being rodgered by Big Ivor Longshaft forever in solitary confinement in Brixton !.

  25. Big Raddy says:

    Terrific England win in the cricket added to Lewis Hamilton’s victory at Monza.

    A good day. Now Kom nu Danmark!

  26. arnie says:

    Yes, Raddy, enjoyable 20-20 game! 🙂

  27. chas says:

    Great first goal for Arsenal Ladies and Kelly Smith’s pen. Wow.

  28. arnie says:

    now, can Scotland embarrass Germany? Women’s final in US Open to look forward to as well. 🙂

  29. arnie says:

    Chas. 🙂

  30. arnie says:

    Great results for Rep. IRL, NI and Denmark. 🙂

  31. Big Raddy says:

    Kom nu Caroline og Scotland

  32. arnie says:

    Raddy. 🙂

  33. arnie says:

    Raddy, Signal Iduna Park should bring back some memories! 😛

  34. Big Raddy says:

    arnie. It certainly does. What an evening that was

  35. chas says:

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    This

    has been followed by this

    https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23Spurs132&src=hash

  37. Eddie says:

    very good questions Raddy. Like Chas I have no idea, but I’d say we wanted to loan out Jenks and get Welbeck on loan too. For one reason or another Welbeck was after a long term contract and on 31st August we were hardly in a position to refuse. One way or another we did well

  38. arnie says:

    ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha. 🙂 🙂 🙂

    I notice Albania leading against Portugal as well! 🙂

  39. arnie says:

    OK, Scotland lost 1-2, but how bad is Reus’ injury?

  40. pbaggett says:

    Re: Welbeck, we don’t need loan players. We don’t develop players for other clubs. He’s a young player with tons of talent but needs a lot of work on his finishing. A loan is useless — he still needs developing. Small clubs take those kinds of loans. If we’re going to develop him, we want him. I think in two years he’ll be fantastic, and he’ll be pretty good this season.

    People throw a fit over Welbeck and act like he’s not good. He is. Quite good, in fact. He’s just young and still needs work. Give him a chance.

  41. chas says:

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  44. mickydidit89 says:

    Well played Raddy, and thanks on behalf of us lazy bastards 🙂

  45. mickydidit89 says:

    Motning Chas

    How were you’re alternative plans this weekend? No surfing this end, but blimey, wall to wall windless sunshine

  46. chas says:

    All good, Micky.

    The lack of fitba led to a couple of quiet moments, though.
    Did you still camp?
    Is this what your hair looked like in the morning?

    https://twitter.com/Earth_Pics/status/508749069762961408

  47. chas says:

    I’d like to see Welé score a goal today, not for us obviously, but as a bona fido Arsenal player at least.

  48. mickydidit89 says:

    That’s a teddy bear, not a cow.

    I think Danny should start in the middle instead of Rooney

  49. Eddie says:

    I thought a little bit more about Raddy’s post and came to a conclusion that the Boss did exactly what was needed, ie Welbeck needs trust, time and guidance to develop into a world class striker and we know that Wenger can provide all of these. And sending a defender to work under Sam Allardyce is sheer genius 🙂

  50. Eddie says:

    I love cows

    Poland beat Gibraltar 5:0 yesterday 🙂

  51. mickydidit89 says:

    Thinking of Highland things, if The Scots go for Independence, there’ll be no more Team GB with any of them in it, and Jocks would count as foreigners in football quota speak.

  52. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Looking forward to tonights match. Both teams are evenly matched and who would have thought that would be the case?

    We have the best league in the world and Switzerland have doddleysquat.

    Big money and big names doesn’t beat teamwork and application.

  53. Eddie says:

    Team GB is England, Scotland, Wales and NI, so the 3 countries will still take part

  54. mickydidit89 says:

    Really Eddie? Cows lack any kind of personality I always think

  55. Big Raddy says:

    Micky. Have we got any Jocks? Is there a decent Jock currently playing anywhere?

  56. chas says:

    Amazing how I can ignore manc shirts and even bsr when watching this!

  57. mickydidit89 says:

    Raddy

    Now don’t diss spending vulgar amounts on superstars 🙂

  58. mickydidit89 says:

    I’m on school run now.

  59. Eddie says:

    cows are very nosey and can be bitchy, I’d love to have a cow, and they are beautiful to look at. I don’t like milk

    News made me angry again. Breaking news on BBC – Ashya King boarding a plane to take him for treatment in Prague. That is breaking news. A message is sent to all the parents that think their child needs different treatment. I feel very sorry for the sick little boy and wish him all the very best, but he is not news!!!

  60. chas says:

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  62. LB says:

    I am a bit late to the party.

    Good conversation starter BR.

    Both situations make sense to me: where is the down side on the Welbeck deal? 16mil means that if only half of the upside potential is realised then it looks like good business and if he doesn’t flourish at all then we sell him to spuds or even wham who, because he is English means, we will get our money back quite easily I would expect.

    The Jenkinson situation is even more straight forward: I think we all agree that he would love to be Arsenal’s first choice RB. For him to achieve that he needs to improve and he will only do that by getting regular first team football.

  63. LB says:

    I like that baby Highland Cow. I want one for my back garden.

  64. Big Raddy says:

    LB. I agree about Welbeck. Jenks is another matter. Can you honestly see him returning? I can’t. I assume WHU didn’t have enough money to buy him this season.

    If Jenks was good enough we would not have bought Debuchy or Chambers.

  65. Eddie says:

    was it 7:0? Gibraltar should not playas an independent country. they don’t even have a capital and are a waste of time, worse than playing meaningless friendlies

    LB – how big is your bloody garden 🙂 There is a mansion (Cashley Hole lived next door there) with a humongous front garden. They have a flock of sheep – they look so genuine that I mistook them for real animals. Must take pics next time I am there. Better subject than ugly lesbians

  66. Eddie says:

    I keep forgetting to mention an interview I heard on TalkRubbish radio yesterday. I didn’t catch the start of the interview so I didn’t know who was talking. He was a footballer, a Londoner, very mature sounding, well spoken (no ‘you know’, ‘eeeee’ or ‘yyyyyyyyyy’) and talking sense. I could not believe it was our Jack!! He is maturing nicely

  67. LB says:

    BR

    Jenkinson is still only 22, was Debuchy that much better than Jenks at that age, I don’t know the answer but I doubt it. He could stay at wham for another 5 years improving and still return.

    Jenks is another no lose situation for Arsenal. He is not going to run his contract down and disappear. That man wants to play for Arsenal as much as me and you.

    I envisage a situation when his contract ends and he asks Arsene Wenger what he thinks he should do.

    As to whether I can see him returning; well, that is a totally different question. My short answer is that I hope so.

  68. LB says:

    Eddie

    That baby Highland cow is so sweet we would move one of the football pitches in the back garden to make space.

  69. Big Raddy says:

    LB. Won’t that interfere with your golf course?

  70. Eddie says:

    LB 🙂 I thought so 🙂

    Jenks – will he really develop at WHU? How do managers treat loanees – they want to make the most of them no doubt, but unless they see them staying permanently with the club they probably don’t bother investing too much time or energy in them. Do we have examples of players that went out on loan and came back much improved? I cannot remember any. Ramsey was on loan for almost 2 seasons – he made very few appearances and came back very raw

  71. chas says:

    Jack was shite until Owen Coyle got his hands on him.
    Or so LG would have you believe.

  72. chas says:

    holy smokin toledos

  73. chas says:

    Cashley Hole was a massive success on loan at Palace.

  74. LB says:

    Ahhhhhhh, sweet.

    Wont one.

  75. RA says:

    LB/Eddie,

    When I was a kid, I used to help out a relative who had a dairy farm, and I too have always been enamoured of the appealing looks and the cute size of the calves.

    Trouble is they eat a lot and pooh a lot, and if you have to clear out their pens, you quickly become less enamoured.

    Clearing a space in your garden for a calf, LB, would be great, but they quickly grow and a huge heifer produces huge smelly dung, and they pee a lot too, clearing it all up would be essential, but where would you put it – over the hedge into your neighbours might just get noticed. 😀

  76. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I thinks Jenks will return Raddy. Fat Samual will convert him into a centre half. Everybody that Allerdyce gets hold of becomes a centre half

    In the future I wouldnt be surprised to see a centre back combination of Chambers and Jenks. Arsenal through and through. Well, Chambers has a bit of Southampton in him so I will always have a lopsided eye on him, but overall it could be great.

  77. kelsey says:

    Morning all

    Sorry I was preoccupied over the weekend.

    I have read the odd report that Welbeck isn’t a AW signing and was done behind his back and as of yet AW hasn’t officially spoken about him.

    I would find that most unusual and if it was true then “the complete control” would be incorrect.

    I don’t believe for a minute that AW didn’t have full control of the negotiations regardless of him being out of the country at the time, though I would say that with the purchase of Sanchez and then subsequently Giroud’s injury forced the issue to find a replacement for Giroud who may miss the whole season. If he hadn’t been injured I don’t think we would have persued another striker.

    I think initially the loan of Jenkinson to W.H.surprised most of us though none of us know if the loan will eventually see him return or sold.He is still very young and another who was thrown in at the deep end.Didn’t he play in the 8-2 defeat ?
    He is still learning but maybe AW thinks Bellerin who has no PL experience will be a better back up.

  78. stevepalmer1 says:

    Morning all
    Transplant, have you got a lopsided view on Walcott and the Ox as well, 🙂

  79. stevepalmer1 says:

    You may well be right Kelsey, but who would you cover Debuchy if he got injured. and if its the same as my thinking Jenks sits on the bench and comes on in cup games. Least this way he is still playing and learning

  80. RA says:

    Steve,

    You don’t understand — Terry is the mirror image of Quasimodo and everything looks lopsided to him.

    Be kind! 🙂

  81. stevepalmer1 says:

    🙂

  82. RA says:

    Morning, Kelsey,

    Wenger ‘being out of the country’ is a strange reason for suggesting that he was not in control of the transfer purchases.

    Good old boys like you probably have not yet heard about the 24/7 technology that dictates all of our lives now, and means he is never out of the loop.

    You know that funny thing called Skype Conference calls, or Apple’s FaceTime that allows you to speak face to face with anyone all over the world? 🙂

    You could be right that buying a CF was speeded up by the injury to Giroud, but the late arrival of Welbeck was partly because we had allegedly been turned down by Remy in favour of Chelsea, and the late loan of Falcao to Manure made Welbeck available to us.

    Jenks was not a surprise to me, it was more a disappointment. Wenger would not have given him a long term contract recently if he did not rate him, so I expect he will be back.

    That said nothing would surprise me in football, and Wenger has a record of missing out on some good players over the years, and according to Liam Brady he could not convince AW to buy Sterling 4 years ago, when he was going for a song, and look at him now (£30m?) – and don’t talk about missing out on Bale when he was available for £5m — what did he go for (£90m?) so the Corp is in good company. 🙂

  83. RA says:

    Kelsey,

    Don’t tell me everyone ignores you – you have scored Steve and me.

    As for everyone else — well you could be right there. 🙂

  84. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    steve, dont listen to Redders, hes never seen me. Indeed, no one has. I walk around with a tescos bag over my face otherwise people turn to stone.

    When Ime out on a special occasion, its a Harrods bag.

    And yes, I do look at them lopsided. Any one that didnt support Arsenal as a kid must have something wrong with them. hahaha

  85. stevepalmer1 says:

    Also remember AVB he had his players brought for him and he didn’t want them, so many sat out. But in the end he did as well 🙂

  86. stevepalmer1 says:

    Morning Terry, I know one thing mate lopsided or not, you always crack me up.

  87. Morning all

    Steve – one of your posts is coming up 🙂
    .
    …………………New Post everyone ……………………

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