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I would be delighted if some techno person with the “controls” can format the above. WordPress has failed me once again 😦
Ha ha ha, Superb Raddy.
I loved the LB graphic format, and this is such a logical extension.
Raddy, I’d just begun a Rule of Three window review post
Before the Summer’s transfer business got under way, my wish list was a fast, mobile, big strong defensive midfielder, a Left Winger and a fast dribbly Striker in the Suarez mould.
I happen to think that three new First XI’ers is the maximum to retain continuity, and consequently it was imperative that Sagna remained.
During the Window, three things happened to impact my master plan. Bac went, and Ollie got a long term injury. Both needed replacing, thus leaving only one available First Team slot. Something had to give and it was the defensive midfielder, as Sanchez had already been bought prior to the Ollie injury.
The end result is that Debuchy has proved an excellent replacement for Bac, and Sanchez is a genuinely world class addition to the attack. However you or Arsene, see them lining up, Welbeck may prove and excellent buy as he possess more speed than Ollie and may well compliment Sanchez.
The real bonus of the summer has been the transfer of Chambers. Verm went, but this did not affect the rule of three change as he was merely back up anyway, but in just a few weeks Chambers has proved to be an unbelievable piece of business. He is versatile and can according to Arsene, also play as a defensive midfielder. Well, if Arsene is right on this one, and he’s as good there as he is at the back, then we could be in great shape.
Finally, there was replacing Fabianski with Ospina. Again, this looks like very good business.
Overall, I reckon we have the players and squad to improve on last season.
Down to rotation, luck with injuries and with some gel and it could be a very exciting season.
Danny Welbeck may not be the Falcao we dreamed about, but he’s a young player with a point to prove, he hasn’t set the world alight at Man U but he does have a decent goal scoring record. hopefully he can ‘do a Sturridge’!
As for the lack of a defensive signing, it’s a huge gamble by Wenger, apparently Nacho is our 4th choice CB, which to me is a mistake, he’s a good left back but can he do it at CB against the big teams?
It’s a bit wordy for me, but nice article!
We went through last season with only 3 CB’s and usedSagna as cover, so probably the same idea this time with Monreal as cover. Hopefully we won’t need to use him. If Wenger knew this was going to be the case then I suspect Jenks would’ve stayed, but I reckon he tried to get a CB/HM and couldn’t get a deal done. I’d still prefer him just to get a CB in Jan and let Chambers be the CB/HM at the club.
We’ve also got Hayden aswell and maybe Wenger has seen enough in him to trust him as 4th choice? Who knows.
As for Welbeck, great piece of business when you consider Chambers cost £16m, Lallana £25m and Shaw £38m! To get a 23 year old current England striker with 20+ caps for that amount of money is a bargain. English players at a premium due to HG rules and that’s only going to go up as less top players come through. You only have to look at the recent England squad to see its in decline. If he can do half of what Sturridge did at Liverpool then I’m happy. He’s quick, direct, works his tail off, and can play wide too. Hes also comfortable with quick link up play which is where Sanogo falls down. He’s not Falcao or Cavani, but create enough chances in games and he’ll put a couple away. He’s also got something to prove which is good.
Can I just remind people of something you posted earlier.
The Utd defence: “Evans, Smalling, Jones and Blackett”
I think it’s safe to say we’re looking better than Utd, Pool, Spuds and Everton, so we’re in reality beginning the season in 3rd 🙂
Ok all, have a great day.
I really excepted a central defender this window. However, we are not dreadfully short, as we have Chambers as 3rd choice. Who would you say is 4th choice: Monreal, Debuchy or Hayden? I believe Wenger really tried to sign a central defender who is an improvement on Hayden, but the likes of City would not sell…
No problem about Welbeck being signed – as FGG says, he’s not brilliant but he improves us and his speed and technique is good enough to suggest he could blossom into something significantly better than he has been to date. As others have said, Ferguson wouldn’t have allowed him to come to us.
Am feeling very concerned about the defensive situation – Wenger was explicit about the need to recruit if Vermaelen left and yet no-one has come in. In fact, Miquel’s departure means we have fewer options. I’m sure the intention really was to bring someone in but for whatever reason that couldn’t be done. However, I suspect that the name Abou Diaby features in calculations: Flamini can be used as FB cover to release Chambers or even Monreal on the basis that Diaby could play in central mid. My heart sinks as I type these words……
Overall, the transfer window has been good for us, I just feel very worried about the paucity of defensive options now.
Wenger, doesn’t learn from his pass mistakes, every season same mistakes are transmuted to the team, this is d reason, d team is having same result. He is very greedy in spending for high prayers and he’s self center n futuristic in his technics. No good striker why r u not buying? Podoski n Campbell on bench what are there doing on a match u r not wining?
Interesting that most are promoting Hayden over Coquelin, as a third choice younger and more mobile alternative to Arteta and Flamininhe is not a bad option, Ox has also dropped in here in the past and done ok, and may even be a long term role for the lad.
The difference with having three centre backs last year was Sagna’s ability to play at centre back and Jenks physicality meaning he could drop into right back when needed, I don’t think Monreal is tall enough to play centre back when required so we really need Chambers, Koz and BFG to stay fit.
I’m pretty sure Jenkinson could play centre back one day, but whether that will be at Arsenal or not is another matter, I kind of hope it is if only for the live of the club that he brings to the squad.
In an England shirt I’ve always been impressed with Welbeck, not so much for United but that could be due to how he has been asked to play.
Has a few tricks, knows where the goal is and at £16m for a homegrown qualifying player is a fantastic piece of business.
A lot of people asking if with Balotelli or Welbeck going for similar money we chose the right option. I would say that the number of clubs Mario has had in a short career suggests we probably did. So then the next question is Remy or Welbeck, I think Welbeck wins that one every day, let’s face it we were not going to pay Falcao’s wages, let United puss it away, as FGG says without a holding midfielder and a new centre back being held up by work permits issues United could have problems behind their attacking third, the final question is how do they cope if any of them get injured? They have to hope that DiMaria, Rooney, Falcao, BSR, Mata all stay fit otherwise who are their second string? Young, Anderson, Cleverly…….ROFL.
The lack of a CB coming in has been the disappointment of the window, since this leaves us vulnerable in case of injury. Even a small one that last only 2 or 3 weeks (In real time, not Arsenal time)
Apart from that, this window has been excellent. DM is not really a concern. It would help us to have a muscular beast in the middle of the park at some point, but it’s been made out as if the lack of that player was the reason we lost 6-0, and 5-1. I don’t think that’s true.
I think Wenger does want to sign a midfielder. But has been unable to get the ones he wants at terms that we’re ready to accept. I would expect next season a midfielder to come in and Flamini, Diaby and Coquelin to be let go. (Maybe Arteta too, but I don’t expect that)
We upgraded on our starting right back, possibly upgraded on our backup CB, seriously upgraded our attack with not only Alexis, who is world class, but also now Welbeck and Campbell (who will have to fight really hard for his chance)
Apart from that, I think Wilshere is looking like he’ll have a better season, Ozil will be better having acclimatised, Ox will be better, and hopefully, Walcott can come back healthy and speedy as ever. Cazorla is a brilliant footballer as well even if he is a year older now. Who knows, maybe Diaby makes 10 appearances in the league too?
Also, we’ve slightly changed the formation to provide some added protection to the back 4. I don’t think we’ll play it all the time since we play a fluid enough game at our best anyway. But that we’re playing it till everybody understands their roles so it can be switched to when required.
Exile, good point, I hadn’t factored in Coquelin. From the bits and bobs I saw and read of his performances last season, his Bundesliga experience last year didn’t go well. And his appearances in the red and white in preseason were distinctly underwhelming as well, so I’d come to a view that he was one to move on, even if he had looked like a good prospect a whle back. I would think he’s last in the central mid pecking order, and probably the last option as FB cover too, but he’s an option. Hayden on the other hand is a CB specialist (and that, at least in terms of numbers, is where we are weakest) and has looked ok in his very limited first team outings, so in a scenario where Debuchy and Merts/Kos are injured, I can imagine Chambers playing RB and Hayden in the middle. Not that I really want to imagine that situation.
As for Jenks, I don’t think we’ll be seeing much of him in an Arsenal shirt again – except when he retires and reverts to being the dyed-in-the-wool Arsenal fan that he is.
According to what I’ve read, Hayden’s best position is actually in midfield rather than at CB.
Another minor gripe about the window is that I’d have liked to see Gnabry go out on loan – he’s not going to get many chances with us this season and he could really do with building up a solid run of competitive games for someone like Southampton or a club at a similar level in another country.
Hi Shard. I think most of Hayden’s games for the Reserves and England U19s etc have been at CB but you’re right, he is mentioned as being a midfielder too. We shall see – I certainly thought he played with real concentration and understanding when he had his first XI game last season, and from highlights of the Reserve games. Not that that is much to go on.
I am aware that he plays at CB too. I’ve just read somewhere that he seems better off in midfield, but that is just someone’s opinion. He does seem like a talent and I suppose we better wish he (or Ajayi) can be good enough to be our emergency CB if need be.
Oh and Gnabry is still injured apparently, which is probably why he couldn’t be sent out on loan.
Cheers Shard, I hadn’t realised that about Gnabry.
Great post thanks
I’m actually pleased with the Welbeck signing. The was no way we were gonna get Falcao or Cavani… £350k a fucking week. Laughing all the way to the bank, and then leave at the end of the season. Fucking doddle.
According to me, we needed the following players at the beginning of the transfer window:
1 quality Back-Up GK – We achieved that with Ospina who is really good despite being a bit eccentric on coming out on crosses but he is outstanding on his line. Grade: B+
1 quality RB – We somehow achieved that with Debuchy but I would have felt more at ease with Abate or even Coleman. However, he is a good reliable player defensively and offensively so overall, we are fine. Grade: B
1 quality CB, left-footed – We did not get that player and we are now going to have to use Monreal for that slot, not ideal at all. Lescott would have been useful and would have brough experience and good cover for Kos and PiG. Grade: C-
1 young quality CB – We achieved that with Mr. Chambers who is proving to be worth every penny spent…Grade: A
1 quality LB to replace Monreal – We did not get that and we kept Monreal 😦 I was quite keen on getting Nagatomo or even on getting A. Cole back but it was not meant to me. Gibbs is good when he is healthy but the boy is just injured too much and Monreal is sub-par…Grade: C-
1 Defensive Midfielder – We did not get that and I think this is a massive miss and mistake as we did need this sort of player in our squad that can also break opposition plays phyically and good positional and tackling awareness. Some players were available for free like Gareth Barry and E. Cambiasso and could have helped us out but others like Xabi Alonso, Lucas Leiva, Bender, Schnederlin, Javi Martinez, Carvalho, Fernandinho, Luis Gustavo would have costed us some money but it would have been so worth it…Neither Arteta nor Flamini cut it for me and Coquelin definitely does not do it at all:-( Grade: E
1 Winger – We did get that with our marquis signing of A. Sanchez. What a player and what a signing! He is pacy, versatile, agile and he has the ability to score and assist. Great signing overall.Grade: A
1 Striker – I think we needed someone with great speed and with the ability to dribble past defenders and make great runs behind them. Rémy would have been ok but a player like Suarez, Reuss or Aubemayang would have been better. Now, with Wellbeck – we get a mixed package with a player who is technically gifted and rather pacy but is not great at dribbling past players but his runs are fine. I can live with Wellbeck though. Grade: B
On the signings made, I would give us an average of B+.
On on the signing missing, I would give us a D, especially since we did not sign the much-required DM…For the other two signings, I could live without them…
So all and all, it was good piece of business on the the transfers made and we strneghtened. However, the lack of a DM will cost us dearly and I do not see us, hence, go beyong a third-place finish in the EPL. Moreover, some younger players could have been loaned out (Geladion, Gnabry, Sanogo) and other players should have been sold (Podolski, Diaby, Coquelin, Miyachi).
PiG – Debs, BFG, Kos, Gibbs – Ramsey, Arteta – Ozil – Walcott, Giroud, Sanchez
Ospina – Coquelin, Chambers, ?, Monreal – Rosicky, Flamini, Wilshere – Ox, Wellbeck, Cazorla
+ Coquelin, Hayden, Geladion, Diaby, Gnabry, Podolski, Campbell, Sanogo…
for me the elephant in the room is Wenger’s assertion that if Vermaelen left he would get a centre back to replace him.
He did not do this and now we are a couple of knocks away from seeing Hayden and Monreal as our CB pairing (assuming Monreal is covering for our Diaby at left back, Gibbs).
I am very worried for our defence – only 6 players covering 4 positions in a 50+ game season, people !
A potentially 4th place loosing transfer window is brewing.
Regarding your comment earlier this morning. Do you know what an onanist is? You are a naughty blogger. 🙂
You are correct and it goes without saying (so why am I saying it? 🙂 ) that it is indisputably the case we are a bit light at CB and DMF.
I am sure that AW knows that too, and the question therefore is why did he not ‘mind the gap’?
— Maybe other clubs were not willing to sell him the players he wanted. [It does happen]
— Maybe, once our lack in certain positions was recognised by other clubs, they got greedy and put too big a premium on the transfer prices quoted. I would agree with the boss if he refused to play ball in those circumstances – no one likes being stiffed.
— Maybe The players involved got greedy and asked for outrageous salaries (a la Falcao) and the boss told them ‘no deal’. If so I think he was right.
It is not as easy to buy a player as it is to buy a can of beans in a supermarket, with a price known in advance and and a willing seller, so it is simply a matter of finding the right type of bean for your needs. (bleeding obvious, I know, but I have seen some ridiculous comments of that nature – tho’ not here).
Basically — who knows the whys and wherefores of these things when buying and selling player contracts is involved? 🙂
I get mixed up – is your man on 7 a.m. Tim Payton, or is he the AST bod? Anyway, I heard him being interviewed on the radio and thought he sounded a little too self satisfied and delighted that he was being treated as the voice of the typical Arsenal supporter. 🙂
Umm, not sure why my comment has been reproduced in bold in some places. Is this the potentially greedy players striking back? 🙂
Sorry, I forgot to complement you on your minimalist Post this morning. 🙂
When is Rocky coming back?
My tuppence is that we dod very well but not brilliantly. In fact the post sums it up.
The lack of a defensive signing is worrying. I have seen nothing to suggest that Monreal is anything other than a make piece CB and it would worry me if he has to play against a quality forward line.
As has been said, it must have been that the transfer we were after stalled at the last minute. My hope is that Carvalho has pledged to come to AFC next summer.
Hi Redders, no my man at 7am is another Tim altogether. The AST bod is english Tim Payton, the guy I write for at 7am kickoff is american Tim Bostelle.
You’re right, Payton is a bit of a smug git. 🙂
Liking your use of bold on your post Reders.
I still think if we couldn’t get another CB in why let Djourou and Miquel go then ? Lack of a replacement CB is negligence in my eyes. Appalling stuff.
Next summer, Raddy? I’m hoping January!
RA is right, there are so many things that can’t be controlled in signing players, which is why I generally don’t blame the club for these things, as we just don’t know what has gone on, so what’s the point making a criticism? But I sympathetise with Chary’s point, Wenger was very clear in saying a sale of Vermaelen would need to be followed with a purchase, and that didn’t happen. That’s not Wenger lying (as some of the ridiculous bloggers would have it), but it does show things didn’t all go to plan, and it also confirms that Wenger must be feeling as uncomfortable as the rest of us about the numbers in defence.
We mustn’t forget Bellerin when it comes to our numbers at the back. He looked good in pre season and is capable of covering Debuchy if Chambers is playing CB.
We went through last season with
With Djourou and Miquel out on loan, so technically no worse off. Only doubt is wether Monreal is as good as Sagna was at CB. Hopefully we don’t find out.
We definitely need a CB though at some point, hopefully January.
I have absolutely nothing to say, except time, in fact quite a short time will tell if we have achieved the objectives that most have been asking for.
both Djourou and Miquel have been sold:
I am not sure that the sale of either of those players materially changed anything.
Djourou has been long gone, and frankly Miquel much as I liked him just was not good enough, it seems.
I am notenjoying the English batting in the one day International.
Err, that should read not enjoying. 🙂
It’s odd, but I find that I still have a hankering to read the latest headlines on NewsNow. Weird! 😉
That’ll be withdrawal symtons Redders.
I can’t hold back.
48 hours ago AW said he had so many options to play as striker and only because Giroud was ruled out for at least until the New Year and Falco going to United did he go for Welbeck who may well prove to be a good addition.
If the above hadn’t happened he wouldn’t have signed anyone else and like many others I think we have the bare threads in reserve let alone rotation in defence.
Wotcha Kels – there are times Wenger is scrupulously honest, and there are times when his priority is to big up his players or deflect a question, especially if there really is something going on. His line about having lots of striker options is in the latter pot, I think, and was never something to be taken at face value. There were plenty of things he said during the transfer window, including about looking for players in all positions.
All of that said, I’m sure you’re right, that without Giroud’s injury, there would have been no urgency injected into the efforts to recruit an attacker.
Lovely little post Raddy – you are a pic teaser 😆
I agree that we wouldn’t have signed Welbeck had it not been for Giroud’s injury, but now we will be able to see how much difference having someone with genuine pace on the shoulder of the last defender makes ….. assuming AW plays him up front and in the middle ……. which he probably won’t 🙄
One thing that is clear for anyone to see there simply isn’t many good quality centre halves available, United have completed their Window with Smallimg, Evans, Rojos and Jones as their four centre backs, 1 hadn’t got a permit yet.
City clearly were not going to let Nastasic go to a rival, Chavs have Zouma, Terry, Cahill and Ivanovic.
It is not a position blessed with a lot of options.ok the likes of Lescott were available, but he has made a shed load of cash, but he has missed a lot of football so nearing the end of his career he will want to play, same reason Brown and O’Shea are at Sunderland, same reason Agger went home to Denmark.
Premier League, Bumdesliga, La Liga tell me a centre back not at the top clubs who wants to come play second fiddle.
Hi all. Delighted with Wellbeck. I think he step up a level as a striker in our set up with a consistent run in the team. In many ways I feel he is more the type of striker we needed than the more celebrated Cavani’s and Falcao’s. It is not just the pure goal tally. It is also how they occupy opposing defences and the trouble they cause them and then how that brings the rest of he attacking unit into play. I predict he will hit 12 goals before the year is out.
I understand that the top DM’s are not easy to get and we didn’t want 2nd best so can understand why AW has decided to wait till he gets the one he wants. The major trick he missed for me is not getting another back up CD. Maybe an older head that could provide experienced back up while not expecting to be 1st choice. That wouldn’t have been an expensive acquisition and it could have freed up Chambers to be tried at DM. It may have been by the end of the year that Chambers was the new DM every bit as good as say Carvallho. I don’t see how AW dare risk playing him there now with only 3 CB’s. He needs to rotate carefully now to prevent injuries, unless Hayden is up to it or one of the FB’s. For my money Debuchy looks more a CB than Monreal.
Seconded 26M and also the fact that Wenger had said TW was like a game of poker, “we don’t really need a centre forward” translates to “don’t think you can hold us to ransom”, and the fact that Wenger has been so frugal in the past coupled with the constant media portrayal of a miserly attitude who wouldn’t spend meant we got Welbeck for £16m, for an English player.
The point is Exile we’ve had since the end of the season to find a centre back, not necessarily a starting XI centre back, and we still didn’t.
Sorry, that smacks of negligence to me, Southampton managed to get a La Liga winning centre back (Toby Aldewireld) in late in the window and they can’t even offer him Europa League football let alone Champions League.
Are we worse than Southampton at attracting players ?
You are all barking mad, every single one of you have missed the point. Welbeck hasn’t been signed as centre forward he has obviously been signed as centre back.
How can we complain when AW reacts to the OG injury by making what could be an excellent signing?
Did we need another striker whilst OG was fit? Not IMO – at last we have a Plan B which is in the developmental phase.
Or would it have been better not to have signed Welbeck?
AW is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
LB. Of course, it is glaringly obvious now you point it out
Out of interest. Does anyone know if bringing in loan players extends beyond the TW. If it does i would hope AW looks for a CB option this way, maybe with an option to buy.
Looking at it currently i tend to agree with Charry. Letting TV go then leaving it till the last minute and coming up empty handed.
GoonerB, the only transfers that can now be registered are emergency signings (all keepers struck by a meteroite etc). If there is a free agent somewhere, that remains a possibilitGoonerB, the only transfers that can now be registered are emergency signings (all keepers struck by a meteroite etc). If there is a free agent somewhere, that remains a possibility but that ain’t going to happen.
Chary, I think Alderweireld left Athletico because he wasn’t getting enough game time, which is the point: with no rotation to speak of, recruiting back-up defenders must be really tough.
The out-there option I wanted us to go for was that Ukrainian guy who was at Barca briefly, Tchigirinsky. Surely he’d be up for a move, with his city, Donetsk, now being bombed by the Ukrainian army (the stadium was hit by shells last week).
As Exile points out, thinking of real options who would be happy to be fourth in line for game time is hard.
Sorry, just noticed that last comment went a bit haywire. Here it is again:
GoonerB, the only transfers that can now be registered are emergency signings (all keepers struck by a meteroite etc). If there is a free agent somewhere, that remains a possibility but that ain’t going to happen.
LB – I was thinking more holding midfielder …… but what do I know lol
Right let me try again, is Aldireweld going to play for Southampton? Would he get in ahead of BFG and Koz?
Just slapping money on the table and identifying a player isn’t the only consideration.
Sometimes I think fans do think its a piece of piss to go and sign any player we want.
1) the player has to want to come to us
2) the club he is with wants to sell
3) they can agree a selling price
4) we can agree personal terms
5) he passes a medical.
So 4 is probably tied up with 1, 2 and 3 can be sticky.
But the most important is 1. Why haven’t we got Vermaelen anymore? Because he doesn’t want to be a squad player. Why is it hard to replace him? Because it’s hard to find sufficient quality who want to be squad players, because like Vermaelen they don’t want to waste their playing days.
Exile, you forgot a couple of other factors: there needs to be agreement on who pays for agents’ fees and the selling club has to be willing to sell to that particular buying club (eg, we refused to sell Vermaelen to United but accepted Barca).
GoonerB, what do I know, it seems Aston Villa are tyring to register a late loan of Cleverley (why?) with the-dog-ate-my-homework arguments about why they didn’t get everything done: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/02/tom-cleverley-aston-villa-loan-manchester-united.
Someone like Curtis Davies would have been useful as a back up. He was excellent last season. However, i believ our next CB needs to be Mertersackers long term replacement. Assuming we dont get anyone in January, he will be nearly 31 next summer and it will be time to start planning ahead. Im assuming Chambers will replace Arteta eventually so need a good young CB to come in behind Merts and eventually replace him.
Thanks 26. There are a lot of meteorites around today.
Exile, all it takes is an injury to BFG, more likely the older he gets, or suspensions for Kosser then it’s Chambers or this other CB we needed.(BFG 51 appearnances, Kozzer 46).
Do we really think we will have another season like the last one where BFG/Kozzer barely missed any games? Really ?
There are going to be opportunities for 3rd choice CB’ as Wenger seems to hint the he sees Chambers as a DM in future also.
It seems to imply that there are no squad centre backs at all willing to play in London for a Champions League team? None that could have been found since May ? What does that say about our recruitment network/scouting.?
I agree with you and share the concern over any injury leaving us exposed, but it is a fact that there is a dearth of centre backs of real quality these days, and very few who are decent will want to come over as 3rd or 4th choice.
For this reason, I thought it more likely that we will purchase a midfielder who can also fill in at the back when required since we will probably have more games to give in midfield, and a future starter role as well. It seems that is the sort of player we were in for, but we have been looking for that guy for around 2 years or so and haven’t managed to get him. I don’t know why.
We probably should have made a move for Rio Ferdinand then 😉
Meanwhile, in the cricket, England are finding new ways to lose ODIs.
At least they won the series of real cricket matches….
I am just a tad concerned that the best kept secret of AA is that you lot are all robots.
LB is Bot No.1 and his claim that Welbeck is a tadpole and will eat the CB was the first clue — 26M is Bot No.2 and has hit a glitch which made him repeat some nonsense three times, CharyB is Bot No.3 and has been set to war mode and will take down anyone who argues with him, then there is GIE a Mammoth Bot and does not need a number, and gets ratty if the other Bots cannot keep up with him and his explanations, then there is a suspicious character called GunnerB, who is Bot No.5 known as the Good Bot and has a bug which makes him write War and Peace sized answers to the question ‘good morning, how are you?’; then we have Raddish, Bot No.6 – the Hippy Bot who is really cool, yeah man, and finally overlording the whole deal is Rasper, Bot No. 7 the ditzy bot who smacks bots if the other bots get too obstreperous.
Bit like the 7 dwarves, which probably makes Peaches the Snow White bot (anyone know why she is referred to in the plural?).
Damn this is a tricky place, made worse by the fact that Rocky the smooth bot is away being repaired and could be back any time soon.
I’m not disagreeing that we are exposed I am asking whether the club could have done anything differently
One option not to sell TV5, that leaves an unhappy player in the dressing room….good or bad?
2nd option not to let Miquel leave, but with reserve football pretty much non existent his age bars him from under 21 games what does the player want and us there any point paying his wages if his future isn’t at the club, again the player has decided he wants to start playing.
3rd pay big enough wages to an average PL centre back in the hope he is prepared to join the club and sit on the bench, Champions Jeafue football is not a carrot when the player looks at BFG and Koz and realised he will be playing Capital One Cup games and then hoping one of the other two (and Chambers) gets injured so he gets a chance of CL football.
As I said earlier ManUre are crying out for centre halves they want to play with three of them, and they signed 1.
In fact the one transfer that has happened they should annoy Arsenal fans yet no one today appears to have mentioned is Alex Songs arrival at West Ham.
Can play centre half, can play holding midfield. Would seem a no brainer…..although has to be said body language and attitude was never great at THOF in last few seasons and as proved in the WC a bit of a liability.
FGG I think Chambers is the long term replacement to BFG. He will get a couple of seasons to show what he can do and then it will be his shirt.
More importantly is a long term replacement for Koscielny. Assume most centre backs can last until 35 max the need to replace will become more pressing over next few seasons.
Umm, excuse me guys/bots or whatever, I think Mr Wenger is being maligned!
He has already found/bought a replacement/back up CB, although when he did he probably did not realise it.
He has already been playing with some aplomb in our first matches — so I give you …… Calum Chambers.
If anything the term ‘back-up’ is a bit tendentious in his case, as he has played better than Kos, and the Mert has hardly played up until last Sunday.
Even better, he also covers the right back and defensive midfield berths as well, and can play CF in his spare time.
Sheesh – blogger/bots! 🙂
Surely the wise thing would have been to keep hold of Miquel until we had secured another CB/HM. If we subsequently fail to do so, keep Miquel and give him games in the C1C and early stages of the FAC maybe and challenge him to prove his worth.
Bot number 5. What an honour. In answer to your question RA, I’m fine and how are you?
Watch it, Bot Number 5……
Yours, Bot Number 2
Well, how a bot that? 😉
I’m fine, Gooner Bot B — and I am glad they have fixed you, fixed you, fixed you — oh god, I have got 26M-itus ….. 😦
Hey Man, it is seriously uncool to lay these negative vibes on our centre backs
Is bot number 1 the most senior bot or do you become more important as your bot number gets higher?
You should keep a copy of your 2.22, that discussion comes up so often that the next time it does you can save yourself a lot of time by simply copying and pasting it straight in.
I agree whole heartedly by the way.
Exile/Shard – if we were OK to let Sagna run down the last year of his contract why not let TV5, especially as we couldn’t find a replacement ? I don;t buy the idea that TV5 would sulk as he’s always been a consumate professional when he wasn’t getting much playing time so why should he change his behaviour if he’d a stayed on ?
We are far too sensitive about “Ooh, he’ll be unhappy if we keep him” as the team matters more than the sensitivities of individual players. Much as I hate old bacn face h would have looked out for the team and not the individual.
Still think someone in the club has dropped a clanger there.
Djourou/Miquel weren’t great but if we decide to let our usual 3rd choice go then why get rid of the 4th and 5th also ?
Absolute bollix. 🙂
I was quite vocal in saying I want Vermaelen to stay because he won’t be easy to replace. I agree. We should have made him see out his contract, at least until we secured a replacement.
How that would impact on our budgets and/or any other ‘domino’ buys is something we don’t know, but on the face of it we dropped a clanger.
Maybe we’ll address that in January if youngsters like Hayden or Ajayi can’t make the step up.
I was all for keeping him and allowing him to run his contract down, but I think Wenger felt honour-bound to allow Vermaelen to leave. Sounds old fashioned, I know, but one of the reasons Wenger does well is that he is very loyal to his players.
I have to agree with you on that one Chary. It wasn’t so long ago that it was normal for all clubs to have 4 CB’s especially the big clubs playing more games and fighting for top honours. I honoustly can’t remember it being a problem then. It looked like we went for Vlaar and Winston Reid at last knockings but I can’t see why those clubs would consider this when it leaves them no time to adapt. If Aw had any thoughts on Chambers as a DM he can forget trying it this season. Can you imagine if he had him Per and Kos all on the pitch together and 2 got injured and the other got a suspension?
The thing is 26, as we all know today’s players are nothing but mercenary guns for hire and go to play for the highest bidder what value is there in a manger who acquiesces to players personal wishes over squad priority ?
What payback does he get from them ? Perhaps deciding they would not play for rivals – look at Clichy, Sagna, Nasri, Cesc, RVP etc…
Players being mercenaries works both ways, being a nice guy to them doesn’t help our club and shows a manager wanting to be a father to these players rather than their club manager.
I think you hit the nail on the head 26 about Wenger’s attitude being “old fashioned” – times have moved on and perhaps he hasn’t.
That’s the thing GoonerB – I always thought 4 experienced centre-backs was ideal. 3 and a utility defender would have been fine with me.
Now I’ll be getting a squeaky bum every time the BFG or Kozzer go down injured.
Evening all, now thats a fine post, 🙂
Couldn’t find anything to say about our new signing Danny Welbeck, don’t worry son, your in for a treat with this young Englishman.
This blog makes me laugh at times, When Giroud was fit he is a cart horse, Sanogo got two left feet Campbell is a bit of a kid and untried and all asking for a strong striker, OK its not Falcao or Benzema or Costas Suarez, or Huntelar but Danny boy is a good buy in my mind, something to prove and he’ll get in and dirty, my kind of player.
This young man can be the missing link that we have been looking for and Wenger has found him, No one year deal paying 6 mill and 300. grand a week just an ordinary hard working player who just wants first team football.
Mark my words once Danny boy gets settled he will be the no 1 striker we will see at the end of the season if Wenger has pulled another master stroke. All our young players have years left in them hopefully they will stay and not be poached by Real or Barca Arsenal are looking good , get the ball to Danny and watch the goals go in, as he will definitely find the goal.
Chary. If you are saying that it is old fashioned to be an honourable man then I will have to ask you to step outside.
Would you prefer us to have an Harry Redknapp approach and just deal with people as “commodities”?
I just read that Felix Magath has used 52 players in his short time at Fulham!!
We are The Arsenal and have a way of treating people with respect, something I am proud of. That some, like RvP choose money over honour is a shameful reflection upon them, not Mr Wenger.
I do not want to disturb you Bots in your deliberations but in an effort to humanize you, I must say this brought a tear to my eye.
Read and assimilate and it will make you a hero with the Sheila’s.
Australian Love Poem
Of course I love ya darlin
You’re a bloody top-notch bird
And when I say you’re gorgeous
I mean every single word
So ya bum is on the big side
I don’t mind a bit of flab
It means that when I’m ready
There’s somethin’ there to grab
So your belly isn’t flat no more
I tell ya, I don’t care
So long as when I cuddle ya
I can get my arms round there
No bird who is your age
Has nice round perky breasts
They just gave in to gravity
But I know ya did ya best
I’m tellin’ ya the truth now
I never tell ya lies
I think it’s very sexy
That you’ve got dimples on ya thighs
I swear on me nanna’s grave now
The moment that we met
I thought you was as good as
I was ever gonna get
No matter what u look like
I’ll always love ya dear
Now shut up while the cricket’s on
And fetch another beer
SteveP. I am also excited to see Welbeck alongside OG. With Theo on the right it could be fantastic.
I would venture that such values have always been labelled old fashioned, because they have never been convenient. Sure, sometimes they could claim to uphold such values because other factors helped them. Such as players not being allowed to move. But in general, read stories from a 100 years ago and you would have people decrying either modern values, or old fashioned values.
I don’t know whether the club suffers or benefits as a result when seen comprehensively. I would like to think that despite the likes of Van Persie and Cesc, treating players right pays off. We could just as easily argue that the reason the likes of Sagna and Vermaelen didn’t kick up a fuss in their time with us is also because they knew the club treats them right.
Be that as it may, I doubt it is a calculated thought. But if it were not for such values in the club (maybe they are only there as a reflection of the manager) I probably would have had no reason to pick this club to follow. There are probably thousands, if not millions like me who enjoy being Arsenal fans because their values (such as they are) speak to us at some level.
No, abandoning them won’t do as far as I’m concerned. That is neither here nor there in the Vermaelen discussion though. I agree it would have been much better if he stayed. But he didn’t, and right now we are on the edge as a result.
Shard. Great minds…. 🙂
Though I use less words and threaten violence
RA hasn’t promoted me to a bot yet.. (Hasn’t botted me?)
I wrote that hoping I’ll get a bothood of my own 🙂
Arsenal spend 80 million in one transfer window, never thought i would see the day. Penny pincher, not any more, Many will moan thats usual but blimey 5 signings Gonna take a bit of sorting. 🙂
And don’t forget Campbell he’ll make the sixth
Agreed Shard, we are on the edge. as for old fashioned values, well I suggest adhering to the values of the time as they are the ones everyone else goes by.
Hiya Hippy, Yep looking good 🙂
Oh no, I’m being threatened by a hippy. 🙂
I’m just a bit tired of our club being used by mercenary players – is that such a bad thing for a supporter to feel ?
That’s the point.. Those values have nothing to do with time. And I quite like standing out and not being like Chelsea and the Mancs. That’s not to say we should be (or are) mugs.
I’m glad lots of people have checked in today, we’re going to need lots of posts for the coming days so don’t be shy to offer 😉
Despite what you say, I just do not see you as someone to get down in the dirt with some of the more shitty members of the human race.
I quite understand what you mean about Wenger’s better nature being abused by the coarser self interest of some players, but I am sure there are also many others who do not do so.
But I admire Wenger and others who live by their own high standards, and I think that would include you, and bollix to those who don’t. 🙂
Spot on, Steve @ 6:16 😉
At the end of the day, People in all walks of life have the freedom to move where they like, You can change jobs if you can find one that is, but when you sign a binding contract for 3 or 4 years you have tied yourself down. But if your unhappy at Arsenal and you want to move Wenger doesn’t stand in players way, I believe his philosophy is if you don’t want to be here you can leave as long as he gets Market price. Sagna Bendtner went for free, Sagna for money Bendtner because he was being paid well for doing nothing. At the end of the day we have brought in other players who want to be here and all with a smile on our face, now thats a proper football club.
Ha ha Redders, I know what you mean. The actions of the Cutch Dunt have left their mark on me.
Schmeichel on TalkShite reckons Wenger is the man to improve Welbeck…..Gough and Durham were spitting feathers as that was his response to them asking a leading question along the lines of “is it a big gamble for Arsenal?”, to which Dchmeichel have a very good reply featuring the above but also saying that at United he was asked to do so much more than be a goalscorer that he was often too tired to concentrate on his finishing when chances arose, if he is to be the number 9 at Arsensl then Schmeichel said it would improve as would his all round game.
Interesting that former professional players reckon that a player can get tired enough to mess up his finishing (or passing) etc. I never quite thought of it like that but do you think such a line of thinking might apply to Giroud as well? He works as hard as anyone.
Well I didn’t even make RA’s list.Is that a compliment or an insult 🙂
I tend to agree with chary. Maybe we actively tried to get a replacement for Vermaelen as we certainly had plenty of time or maybe just maybe,AW was surprised how good Chambers was and that he could shuffle his back four around including Chambers, and took a bit of a gamble and didn’t persue anyone else.
Ironically Welbeck took a knock in training and has pulled out of the friendly international.
Kelssandra Crystals cannot be a simple bot in the matrix. You must be the Oracle.
Well that’s good news about Welbeck if it’s only a slight knock. Adds to Ozil, Kos, and Ox pulling out of the internationals.
Shard I know a couple of coaches I used to have who in preseason would start with simple chest knee volley drill then run us ragged and always finish with same drill, chest knee volley drill (start with cushioned in step volleys both feet back to server, then knee volley, then chest knee volley)l, the idea being to get used to doing it with heavy legs as well as fresh legs, at the end of 90 minutes always able to do the simple things to keep possession. Sometimes the really cruel ones would throw a shuttle session in between the changeover of servers. You had to do 10 on trot of each before you could go in.
They were better than coaches who would bring out balls and cones to preseason make you run and do circuits for two hours then carry balls and cones back, never once having touched them.
Now I must point out I am not moaning but just making an objective analysis here. I do not think the TW was a disaster as some portray and am delighted with those brought in, but neither do I think we fully did what we needed to.
At the risk of sounding devil’s advocate, out of the 5 signings we have made 3 were replacing key players that were leaving us (GK, RFB, CD), so in essence they were players that arguably were brought to keep us from going backwards. The next 2 plus Campbell are therefore in my mind the new additions, or for want of a better way of putting it, the transfers we can look at to see if they have made us stronger than last year.
Have these 3 made up any of the shortcomings in the squad from last season to bridge the gap from being close to challenging for the title to being genuine title contenders. If one were to be even more picky it could be argued that with Giroud looking like missing half the season then Wellbeck cannot be considered an addition but more a replacement to Giroud until he is back, at which point he could be considered as an additional player.
That would maybe stretching it a bit too far because collectively Wellbeck, Sanchez and Campbell certainly bring more strength in depth, more goals and, perhaps most importantly, more pace to our attack. With Walcott back soon it would seem that in the attacking department at least we are stronger than last season IMO.
After that we can look at the spine of the team in DM and CD which many fans felt needed improving if we were to challenge for the title. We have probably at best stood still in DM as we are falling back on Arteta and Flamini again.
Last year we hadthe following :
4 CB options in Per, Kos, TV and Sagna
2 RFB options in Sagna and Jenks, 3 if you factor in Bellerin
3 LFB options in Gibbs, Monreal and TV.
This year we have :
3 CB options in Per, Kos and Chambers
2 RFB options in Debuchy and Chambers, 3 with Bellerin
2 LFB options in Gibbs and Monreal.
Maybe Debuchy could play CD as well as Sagna did, or AW knows one of the youngsters is ready, but as we don’t know thisit is difficult to consider them such. Monreal also looks out of his depth as a CD to me.
Looking at it this way we have improved in attack stood still in midfield and lost strength in depth in defence to the tune of 1 CD option and 1 LFB option.
In my mind AW fell short of adding one more CD, preferably a left footer. This not only would give us the extra CD option but could also have allowed AW to try Chambers as a DM where, with his size and pace coupled with technical ability, could have given us that extra powerful high quality option in DM. As TV left a while back there was time to sort this one out which is why I like Chary do think there has been an avoidable oversight.
It may work out though if the extra firepower overcomes any other shortcomings which can happen. Man Utd in Fergies last season and Liverpool last season scored their way to a level beyond the squads ability IMO. I feel we would also rely on being fortunate with defensive injuries as well, at least until January.
War and Peace RA, War and Peace (Bot 5 signing out).
Sorry must clarify. My initial point (slightly ambiguous) about not thinking the TW a disaster as some portray, didn’t mean that I felt some were portraying me that way but that some fans will portray the TW for Arsenal that way. I hope that makes it as clear as mud.
GoonerB can understand where you are coming from and you have explained it very well, Bit surprised you omitted Walcott and Diaby as Walcott lost half a season or should i say three quarters and Diaby never showed at all,
Just thinking about it, we should have both of these players back very soon so we can add 2 more to our playing list Of course we have lost the use of Giroud till after Christmas but that cannot be fully confirmed until Christmas comes, he could be back before,
Where i believe we have improved is strength in goal 3 Keepers. Debuchey as you said replaces Sagna but he is 2 or 3 years younger and should last longer than Bacary would have, Vermaelen was a top CD but wasn’t prepared to wait on the bench. Chambers has replaced him and he also is only 19 but can play several positions i feel we have gained with him.
All in all what has materialised is the replacements may not have improved the quality so much but what it has done is given us more years before we have to think about change
I thought this was pretty funny: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/12-stages-arsenal-fans-reacting-4150792.
Pretty good? It’s hilarious.
Agree with all that Steve. I don’t think AW is finished with his development of this squad and I have a feeling there is a strong possibility of Arsene getting both Carvallho and Reus either in January or next summer. Imagine how we would look with those 2 added to this current squad. Could be exciting times ahead. I believe that his view was that he would get those players now or stick with what he has and go for them again laternot settling for 2nd best, and I can’t fault that.
I would have liked to see Chambers have the opportunity to be tested at DM this season though. AW has said he could be the answer to this position so it would have been nice to see him try it out before going in for big money bids for other DM,s in January or next year. If it didn’t quite work out then consider him a top young CD.
The lack of cover though in CD now makes me feel that he will have to be used solely in this position this season, and more, that AW will have to nurse and rotate the 3 of them carefully to avoid injury if possible. That’s why I feel we fell short by one player. Doesn’t seem much in terms of numbers but I wonder if it was an important one and I do feel that we had plenty of time after we let TV go.
comments reserved till matches are played.
Welbeck = good signing
GoonerB, i see what you mean and i agree.
Nice one Mozart Smart move mate, may take a few games before we see though,
On club website, photos of Welbeck in #23 shirt.
Hope he turns out better than the two previous who sported that #.
In my opinion the transfers have changed us from a squad last season that was close to its full potential, to a squad this season that hasn’t even scratched the surface.
Szscesny, Gibbs, Chambers, Ramsey, Wilshere, Ox, Sanchez, Özil, Campbell, Walcott, Welbeck and Sanogo all have massive room for improvement.
Now we just need to see it!
Just seen Redders’ ‘bot comment and think it’s time to switch off from “war mode”.
Deep breath and think calm thoughts, like Hippy Bot.
Our centre backs WILL stay fit.
There is NO need to panic.
Brilliant post Raddy. Wow! Economy of words and a clean slate for free-flowing discussion. Hats off! 🙂 🙂
Great TW as far as I am concerned. Cannot really be unhappy. Much better than what we had come to expect. Early business was brilliant. Ospina, Alexis, Chambers (what a find!) and retention of Campbell. OK, goal scoring threat seems still to be a bit limited, but what else can you do. Without sacrificing the midfield wizardry!
OK, we were left a bit short at DM and at the back, but that is not for lack of trying, IMO. Carvalho hit a roadblock, and I feel another defender would have come were it not for the seriousness of Ollie’s injury. Plain bad luck, or bad omen? How else do you explain Welbeck getting injured on his first day as an Arsenal player? 😦
That brings us to Welbeck. OK, not bad as a panic buy, and I take back my harsh words from earlier. However, the emergency perhaps scuppered Arsene’s legendary TW poker end-game. IMO. All indications suggest a defender was part of the plan until the last moment. Not to be.
So, on to Welbeck then. OK, good buy, English premium notwithstanding. Certainly there will be no shortage of effort to prove a point.
However, the Mancunian upbringing worries me. Maybe it is just me. Perhaps this is unfair on the lad. But this is the one reason why I am not generally in favour of inbreeding within the EPL. How much effort will be needed to get the ManUre eliminated to leave a slick Arse, I wonder? The same would apply to ill-bred Scousers or Chavs.
But since Arsene sees value here, I hope it will be OK. 🙂 🙂 🙂 COYG.
“I am not generally in favour of inbreeding”
Blatant Breedism 🙂
Morning all. Very eloquent discussion yesterday. Neither Chas or Myself were around, convincing me that our sort lower the tone. Well, the fact is this, he is the leader, and I am simply weak, so blame him.
Have we signed anyone?
Welbeck got a knock in training 🙂
Against Leicester, it seemed fairly obvious to me we were going down like flies just before the Interdull. Superb.
Ox and Wilshere start tonight, crowd estimated at between 30 to 40 thousand. If they have to play these meaningless friendlies just as our season starts they should make it free to watch so that some kids who never get to see their “idols” can enjoy the experience.I doubt they care about the score.
I thought they were full on euro qualifiers! Who are England playing over the next two weeks?
Norway to.night is a friendly. Not sure about the others
I’ll look it up
Oh blimey, it’s terrible and you’re right
Norway tonight friendly
Switzerland Monday friendly
Oct 9 San Marino Euro
0ct 12 Estonia Euro
Nov 15 Slovenia Euro
Seriously, don’t we always play the same teams?
It’s about the only argument in favour of the old Soviet block. One team, not twenty 😦
Oh my god, it’s the early morning Bots tea party.
The famous Kelsandra Doom Bot and the Metal Micky Surf Bot chugging away chin-wagging waiting for the Chas Vid Bot to entertain them.
Loonies the lot of them!! 🙂
The “other one” has buggered off to the salon and didn’t even bother to leave a post it note
England. I can remember reading that the FA had asked Arsene Wenger if he could bring along a few English players as England were struggling, I am sure other club managers were asked the same question, but where its customary that England players are usually more expensive, many have kept to buying foreign.
Walcott Chamberlain Gibbs Wilshere and now Chambers are good enough to be included. I have to say that Arsenal now with a few English players has made me happy, English Premier League in my mind should have at least half a team of English players but many of the top clubs only look for expensive super signings.
Maybe this trend is for the supporter, as they pay fortunes to watch their teams and many want to see the best players in the world at their club.
Now we have purchased Danny Welbeck late in the transfer window, i expect Welbeck to make Arsenals 6th England contribution,
Many believe that international football is of no use to players, in fact many believe we would be better not having any of our players involved.
I believe that Internationals are important for a player, it gives them the feeling of achievment and pride, yes it disrupts the Premier league but still Arsenal players are keeping match fitness.
Insurances are in place incase of injuries, and while we are still included in Champions league it also gives our players experience in playing different systems.
I for one like watching internationals and having an Arsenal contingent makes for enjoyable viewing, to me that is.
Micky Bot, you be careful of all that salt encrustation — it will bugger up your circuits, and we will have to get the Raddy Happy Hippy Bot to ‘fix’ you – he knows some very good Danish scrap merchants.
God help him, if the Hippy gets involved
“In my day” they the FA gave away tickets to all the Wembley Internationals to schools.
I went many times with the imbeciles I had to share a classroom with – even Wetboy Evans and Jumbo Levy who knew sweet FA about football (probably Spurs fans now)
I completely agree that I help to lower the tone on here.
Though I have always been a sheep and never a leader.
I was golfing yesterday for only the 2nd time this year and played a full 36 holes. In bits this morning.
Was Wetboy Evans any relation to our own cockle-shell Wetboy? 🙂
Wenger clearly ruled out a move for Welbeck;what’s going on?
Are we to disregard all that he says as doublespeak?
August 27: Wenger rules out move for Danny Welbeck.
September 1: Arsenal sign Welbeck!
— Michael Gooner (@MickTheGooner) September 3, 2014
August 27: Wenger rules out move for Danny Welbeck.
September 1: Arsenal sign Welbeck!
— Michael Gooner (@MickTheGooner) September 3, 2014
I do not think you lower the tone on the AA early morning show.
There is room for everyone, and so what if you want to go to the salon to have your finger nails painted and your hair massaged.
Don’t let tricky Micky dissuade you as personal hygiene and muscle ripping Gym workouts are all the rage with Vid Bots. 🙂
Chas @ 8:02,
There was a lot of wailing from a Manure ‘source’ recently that they cannot compete with Man City and the Chavs in the money transfer market stakes.
Then they spent c.£150m and would have spent more if other players were available, with the opinion expressed that the Falcao fee, estimated at £52m when the deal is finalised next year, will have been paid for out of the increased shirt sales in South America alone during this season.
RA. I can’t say but this lad was called Wetboy because he was a bed wetter.
Kids can be cruel 😦
I didn’t know Daniel Levy used to be fat.
…or did he just have a big trunk?
One paper reporting that we offered £12.5m and Campbell for William Carvalho on deadline day (or Monday as I like to call it!).
I think Wenger has a clear plan for this squad and you can already see the positions we will need to buy in 12 months time. A lot can happen in a year though.
“reporting” in the loosest possible sense of the word, of course.
recreate your holiday by wandering into Greggs wearing swimming trunks, pointing at a sausage roll, shouting TWO and paying with a £50 note
— Joshua Burt (@joshburt76) September 2, 2014
recreate your holiday by wandering into Greggs wearing swimming trunks, pointing at a sausage roll, shouting TWO and paying with a £50 note
— Joshua Burt (@joshburt76) September 2, 2014
Nadir of blogging reached.
My job is done.
It was interesting to read opinion that MU’s identity had been broken following the signings this summer.
What is MU’s identity? Surely it is as one of the world’s biggest football clubs and these days that means the one’s who spend the most money and thus buy the silverware (apart from the excellent A Madrid)
Chas, thanks to your vid posts, we get to see some weird stuff. 🙂
The Welbeck move was clearly out of desperation. We would never know what were the preferred moves that were planned but then got scuppered. 🙂
We have a New Post ……………..
Worst Arsenal player by far was Chamberlain. Even with Cazorla playing astray passes, he’s somehow committed to follow the ball.
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