Emirates Cup Post Mortem

There is much to discuss after this interview so perhaps you would like to offer your thoughts on what our manager said.

Arsène Wenger spoke to the media after the Emirates Cup defeat to AS Monaco on Sunday. This is what he had to say:

on the form Arsenal showed…
We have made a demonstration that in 24 hours a lot can change in football. As much as our performance was sharp, creative, dynamic and mobile [on Saturday], today it was static, lethargic and not convincing at all. I feel that many players had not recovered completely physically and that we were not completely ready. But congratulations to Monaco. They were better than us. Sharper, stronger and we lost the game because we deserved to lose the game.

on his players’ form…
I’m not especially concerned. It’s part of the pre-season and it just is a good warning for us that we are not completely ready physically. The positives are that we had to dig deep for some players to play and that we got no injuries.

on what role Alexis will fulfil…
I don’t know yet because Giroud is not ready at all so I thought I’d take him out because he didn’t look ready. It was an opportunity for me as well to see Sanchez in the second half as a centre forward. He looked better in the second half than in the first. But that was also because Oxlade-Chamberlain gave us something we needed – some penetration and some power. Overall, the second half we dominated much more of the game than in the first half, when we were dominated.

on the penalty shout…
What was surprising was that the guy who was the closest to the action made the decision and it was contradicted by the guy (the assistant) who was the furthest. And the furthest got his opinion respected. But it doesn’t matter too much. It’s pre-season and we didn’t want to make a fuss about the decision made by the referee which may not have been completely right.

on playing Wilshere as a holding midfielder…
No, because we played only with one holding midfielder here and Wilshere and Ramsey pushing on. He has made his claim – we have seen that again.

on signing another holding midfielder…
We have Flamini and last year we played with Arteta and Ramsey in many games in that position. So it’s just a question. I think Jack is getting better and his ankle is good now but it needs games. At the top top level you need presence and consistent presence. In and out is finished today, that you rest for three weeks and you come in and fit a game – that doesn’t work anymore.

on Giroud’s fitness…
I don’t know. Today at least he was not ready at all.

on whether the Arsenal players have to adapt to Alexis…
Yes, but he makes good runs in behind and today I felt that we had problems feeding our strikers because we were not very good in the build up and our combination play was very poor. Our play forward was very poor so it was very difficult for the strikers today. But Sanchez will adapt too. If you have good players in midfield they will find the strikers.

on whether Giroud should be more ready…
No. He had only three weeks rest, it was not an eternity and he had to come back quickly. But sometimes when you come back late you want to work hard and in a game you are not as sharp. It’s nothing about him. He’s not put weight on, he’s not out of shape, he’s worked very hard this week and not recovered from the work he has done.

on whether Cazorla has put weight on…
No, he’s okay.

on Wilshere and Flamini’s challenges…
Yes but usually last season we had no big problems with red cards.

on the Community Shield next week…
We will be [in better shape]. And Man City may be as well.

on Calum Chambers’ composure…
He’s one of the players over the two games who played very well. He’s 19 years old and he came here without talking, he plays two good games and is not phased by the quality of the games and the opponents at his first time at the Emirates at 19. He’s one of the satisfactions of the weekend.

on whether his future is at centre back…
He can play as well central midfield because he’s got good technique, good mobility and is a great distance runner. At the moment it’s where I can have a look at him. But I think he can also play central midfield.

on making his breakthrough at right back…
Yes [I was surprised[ because he was educated as a centre defensive midfielder. Then he played in the under-19 with England, he played central defender, he played for Southampton right back. I saw him first time against us as a right back and I liked him. At the end of the season he didn’t play too much at Southampton. But I made my mind up to buy him after I saw him against us.

on Lampard’s loan move to Man City…
It’s a surprise. Because after the statements we heard it is a surprise. But it looks like all these City clubs will feed the main club, Man City. I heard that they want to buy five clubs all over the world.

on the integrity of the competition…
Look. I don’t know well enough the rules. But they bought the franchise for $100m in the States to play next season. At the moment the players they sign cannot play until next year so they register in the clubs where they put them and they can get them on loan. Is it a way to get around the Fair Play? I don’t know.

on whether Arsenal would follow the City model…
We are happy to dedicate the money we make just to run our club. It’s not enough surplus to buy other clubs.

on Mathieu Debuchy…
He’s done well. He’s also not completely fit and ready but he got 90 minutes and should be better next week.
Copyright 2014 The Arsenal Football Club plc. Permission to use quotations from this article is granted subject to appropriate credit being given to http://www.arsenal.com as the source



79 Responses to Emirates Cup Post Mortem

  1. Charlie Boy says:

    We were robbed by a shit linesman and spineless referee. Easy!

  2. mickydidit89 says:

    Thanks Kelsey

    When Arsene talked about Sunday’s performance “I feel that many players had not recovered completely physically”, who was he referring to?

    Recovered from what exactly, as I don’t remember too many of them playing that many games during the summer.

    Mind you, today’s post requires the power of LB, who is the master at reading between the lines 🙂

  3. Gööner In Exile says:

    Morning all, Micky I think Arsene explains when he talks about Giroud later in the interview,

    Put in 100% all week in training and then not able to recover for match day. Compared to say Ramnbo who has 3/4 weeks of running under the belt so is not in full on conditioning work and has the miles under the belt to get through two games.

  4. mickydidit89 says:

    Who needs LB
    Exile’s around and can read 🙂

  5. stevepalmer1 says:

    Morning all, and nice post Arsene. 🙂

    Not really much to say about the Emirates cup, one win one loss Good game Saturday and shit game Sunday,

    While Wenger is experimenting with whom and who may play where, we cannot really say too much. One obvious point is that Arsene likes Chamber’s but he is in a predicament on where to play him. BFG and Kos are certain starters for Crystal Palace, so if we are to see Chambers perhaps it will be as a DM. with Debuchy pencilled in as right full back and Gibbs at Left back and with either Flamoni or Arteta or maybe Rosiski, and not forgetting our favourite Diaby,. Given the pick i would plum for Diaby with Chambers as Backup because as sure as eggs are eggs we will need him.

    Of course we have a little game on Sunday against Man City, and if i were Wenger, i would want to put my league starting team against them,. Wenger would normally put new Youngsters on the bench just so they can blend in slowly and i would assume that is what he’ll do.

    Debuchy will feature from the off, of that i have no doubts, and as long as Gibbo is fit, he to on the left. Merts will not figure in this game as he is resting so i believe we may see Vermaelen and Kos.. In goal i would like to see Ospina but i feel Wenger will pick Czez. Ozil i believe is also resting so Jack and Rambo..

    As its a big game and watched by millions Sanchez will have to feature, the Ox will play but whether he starts i’m not sure. Giroud will definitely start and so too Cazorla, we will see as many subs as possible and depending on what form we turn up in Saturdays or Sundays will determine the result.

    For me i still don’t think we are ready so i predict a loss.

  6. Norfolk Gooner says:

    G’day to you all, the breach well and truly stepped into, well done Kelsey.

    It’s interesting to hear Wenger actually talking about his players in a more open way than in the past. I’m a little surprised that he appears to be criticising Giroud for his lack of fitness, surely that must have been evident in the days before the game.

    Steve, I don’t think that Merts will be starting or even on the bench for the Community Shield, didn’t Wenger say that the three Germans would not be reporting back until next week?

    If Sanogo his fit, I’d like him to start on Sunday if only to see if he can replicate his goal scoring feat. Although I doubt if he will be able to play as a “back to goal” target man against the City Defence.

  7. Norfolk Gooner says:

    I’ve just spent ten minutes composing an erudite and thoughtful comment only to see it disappear into the unknown depths of the WordPress crypt.

  8. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Oh! It’s just appeared.

  9. kelsey says:

    Sorry folks but as we didn’t have a proper new post I thought that some of this interview was interesting.

    Is AW a master of words or does he tell the media various things to purposely throw them off the scent ? I think he does both.

    For all intensive purposes The Emirates Cup was a training session but to me there was a marked difference in the quality of sides we faced over the two days.

    We had the freedom of the pitch against a poor Benfica side but Monaco stiffled our midfield and generally speaking we offered little in attack.

    If Giroud needed resting why play him yet at the same time why did Ramsey play 150 minutes.

    Wilshere “is a little short” well we knew that 🙂

    Chambers was a big plus for me as was Bellerin, at least going forward.

    Hard to assess Debuchy after one game but he does have PL experience.

    Even the national pundits agree that Alexis could be the buy of the season but regardless of fitness we still look vunerable in defence especially at set pieces.

    The crowd were exceptionally quiet on Sunday as IMO they expected a better showing from what amounted to a more experienced side .

    I think The Ox maybe vital to us as remember Walcott will miss at least the first dozen games and we need pace down the flanks so perhaps Campbell might take that position.

    We aren’t balanced on the left flank and that needs to be addressed.
    Vermaelen looks like he will be off.Good enough perhaps for Barca or United but not for us, especially as we need to rotate more and there are some games were Mertesacker may not be the right choice against pace.

    Next weekend will be a proper test but I have a feeling that AW will still be looking at his best options for the opening game of the season.

  10. LB says:

    There is far more to think about in Wenger’s post match interview than normal Kelsey. It makes sense why you chose to make in into a headline post.

    I have answered it by writing a post myself.

    So, Peaches

    If you need a bit of fluff for tomorrow there is something in drafts.

  11. chas says:
  12. GunnerN5 says:

    Hi everybody,

    My views on second guessing AW and speculating on transfers in and out are well known but to reiterate I simply ask – “why bother”

    Trying to read between the lines makes no sense to me. We are first and foremost supporters so why not put 100% of our being into POSITIVELY supporting our team.

    Kelsey briefly mentioned that the crowd was quiet on Sunday – I wonder what the end result would have been if the crowd had done their jobs as supporters and stood behind our team.

    In other words – instead of waiting for the team to entertain them why do they not entertain themselves by vocally encouraging our team and help them to become victorious.

    Just a wish and a hope I guess?

  13. chas says:


    I don’t know if you remember actually being in a crowd at a football stadium, but it really does have to be a collective movement. Ten people can sing their hearts out for the whole game and not be heard.

    Obviously games against the bigger teams like the oilies, mancs and dippers get enough people excited to make a noise, as do London derbies against smaller teams like the spuds. 🙂

    I’m not sure a pre-season friendly will ever generate the required enthusiasm to sing by enough folk to be heard.

  14. Eddie says:

    Did Wenger really say all that? Must have been a long interview. None of his statements really shocked me, just the fact that he was prepared to discuss it all. I’d say it would make it a better interview if he dropped a few bombs, like – yep, Giroud was shit and it is easier to jump over Cazorla than to walk round him. Shitty are just scammers, but we have class and will not do any money laudering in the US. Sanchez is a funny bugger, but we spent a fortune on him so we have to utilize him somehow, etc etc etc. Perhaps they should interview me instead of the Mr Predictable Wenger 🙂
    Thanks for the post Kelsey

  15. Eddie says:

    Gregory – I will have to trust Peaches with the cake

  16. GunnerN5 says:


    “I don’t know if you remember actually being in a crowd at a football stadium”

    My friend I’ve watched more football games than I care to remember and I’m fully aware of the crowd dynamics. It’s like everything else in life if you want to make a difference you have to stand out from the crowd, not shrink back into it!.

    It’s like I said nothing more than a wish and a hope.

    I could give you a long list of the excuses/reasons for the library effect and as long as that are used nothing will change inside the Emirates.

  17. mickydidit89 says:

    I think a ripple of gentle applause every now and again is quite enough 🙂

    They should definitely interview you. Every time.

  18. LB says:


    We speculate because it is fun.

    It is what football supporters do when they get together; they discuss what they think is good and what they think could be improved with their team and with their club

    I am baffled as to why you seem to have missed out on this experience considering the many years you have supported Arsenal.

  19. mickydidit89 says:

    Any reason you’re not going to the Palace game given you’ll be in London?

    Not like it’s a nerve jangling high pressure game. It’ll be a walkover.

  20. Eddie says:

    Micky dear, there won’t be any walk overs this season. Every game is going to be an experience. Plus, the opening game v Villa last year, does that ring any bells 🙂

    I am not going because I don’t have a ticket. Other than this, I am available

  21. mickydidit89 says:

    “Don’t have a ticket”
    If I go, I’ll get you one

  22. Eddie says:

    paah nothing! I made discreet enquiries and zilch, sold out
    I may not even be in London, I might be in Cuffley baby sitting when the maternal grandma goes to the Ems 🙂

  23. GunnerN5 says:


    I appreciate that I’m the odd man out in not getting involved in speculation. I find it to be a circular debate in which folks defend their opinions and criticize managements decisions and motives without any idea about the facts involved.

    Each to his own is my motto – and I will not take part in non ending, inconclusive, circular debates.

    I simply wait for the facts to evolve and I enjoy watching my football in the knowledge that we have the best manager in the UK in charge of our team decisions.

    If I was able to get to The Emirates to watch games live I would leave having a sore throat from singing and yelling out in support of my team – it’s all very simple in my eyes.

    Support in unconditional, idle criticism does not equal support.

  24. chas says:

    Apologies for rattling your cage, GN5.
    Of course you would be fully aware of crowd dynamics, even in an all-seater stadium

  25. chas says:

    Maybe half a cake might be good idea.
    Otherwise the train carriage on the journey home might end up covered in cake crumbs and home made plums. 🙂

  26. fatgingergooner says:

    A few rumours going around about Nastasic.

    He’s a good age with plenty of room for improvement. Seems at a similar stage to when Koscielny arrived. Similar build too. Not noticed him too much for City which I suppose is a good thing for a CB. Think he’s had a few injuries though.

    Also seen Agger’s name mentioned. Always thought he was one of Liverpool’s best CB. Think he’s in a similar situation to Vermaelen, so not sure a move to Arsenal would help him get games. I wouldn’t complain if Wenger went for him though.

  27. chas says:
  28. GunnerN5 says:

    No sweat Chas, I was just voicing my opinion which most of the time is p**s in the wind………………

  29. chas says:

  30. fatgingergooner says:

    So it’s Besiktas, Copenhagen, Lille, Athletic Bilbao or Standard Liege (based on current scores) in the CL Qualifier.

    Avoid Bilbao and I’m happy.

  31. Kelsey
    I’ve only just got to reading your post. To busy drinking alone at my place.
    Wengers comments can never be analysed, he is a master of saying one thing but thinking something else. You can’t even read between the lines. He’s a clever fucker.

  32. LB says:


    If “each to ones own” really was your motto then I see no reason why you should constantly criticise us for discussing the pros and cons of Wenger’s decisions.

    And let’s be in not doubt here, criticising us is exactly what you are doing.

    One of the things that amazes me, and there are many, is that for such an accomplished, successful, intelligent man, which you are, I fail to see how you think this blog can function without having the cut and thrust of opposing views.

    To try and put an end to the discussions about what kind of player would ideally suit the squad, for example, would surely bring this site to an end in a matter of days.

    There is no need to tell us that what we are doing is futile we already know; we continue to do so because trying to double guess Wenger is not only fun it is the life blood of this site.

  33. Eddie says:

    I listened to David Weir’s interview and he mentioned being a big footy fan and his love for ‘a’ London club. I knew it had to be Arsenal, I just knew it……google it and it is indeedy 🙂

    oooohh, do we have an argument here? Lovely, long time since the handbags were flying. Go, go, go boys!!

    BTW, where is the troll?? For a while I thought it was stevepalmer trying to fool us. Hi steve 🙂

  34. GunnerN5 says:

    That’s fine LB.

    So let me understand I cannot express my opinion if it contradicts yours?

    I frankly don’t give a toss if you agree or not – I have NEVER suggested that bloggers should not express their personal opinion’s – as that is the what blogging is all about.

    Speculation is a specific that I personally don’t get involved with. If you think that is the life blood of this site then you have an extremely narrow and distorted view of this site.

    I was not being critical I was expressing my opinion which I will continue to do regardless of your inane and unjustified criticism of my opinion.

    Tell me where my comment is at odds with the site ethos?

  35. Gööner In Exile says:

    Evening all.

    One thing in glad Arsene mentioned is the Fat Frank loan deal and how it potentially circumvents FFP, I like how he dropped in that City are apparently looking to buy 5 clubs.

    So they have the US franchise, they buy one in Africa, one in Australia, one in Asia.

    Those clubs then pay exorbitant wages to acquire the best youth talent in the area. Then when/if City decide they want to buy that talent they could loan it in or worse still buy them for a cut price fee that no others would be offered. I wonder whether FFP has this kind of scheme built in or whether they will have to close a loophole?

    But it does seem that City are prepared to continue testing the strength of FFP and the will of UEFA to act.

    The other thing I was interested to read was that Arsene doesn’t believe players can be out for three weeks then drop back in, so does that mean he is going to pick a best 11 and go with it, or is he saying he will rotate more? I certainly hope it’s the latter. Whilst you can’t help injuries surely it makes more sense to rotate players in and out giving them one game off in three/four to allow for mini recovery periods? But that probably takes a lot of planning.

  36. 26may1989 says:

    It really is an interesting interview, well done for highlighting it.

    I’m sure the Lampard/New York/Man City arrangement won’t be a breach of the FFP Regs of either UEFA or the PL. Those Regs deal with disguised income receipts like the various pretend sponsorship deals City and PSG made with or via their owners. But creating quasi offshore subsidiaries, for use as holding pens for surplus players, as City are doing, I don’t think was anticipated by UEFA.

    Chelsea haven’t been doing that but in recent seasons they’ve been building up a bigger and bigger stock of players sent out on loan.

    It’s no surprise the sugar daddy clubs will look for ways to use their extra wealth to gain a sporting advantage, even if the simple method of pumping cash directly from the owner into the club is unavailable. That’s what City and Chelsea are doing. It’s up to UEFA and the PL to adjust and refine their systems to address such issues and make those new practices illegal as well.

  37. 26may1989 says:

    The Ems, a library? Perhaps before but not last season – the atmosphere and noise picked up markedly.

  38. mickydidit89 says:

    So any woman who is a “ten” smoking hot and less than a “four” bunny boiler crazy must be a Tranny
    Great start to the day 🙂

    Off camping by the sea today. Really looking forward to the CL Draw. Will get out of the sea and radio on.

    You say “Avoid Bilbao and I’m happy”
    Ha ha, after Copenhagen, it’s the only place I want to go to 🙂

  39. mickydidit89 says:

    Bet you can get a decent kebab in Istanbul (Besiktas)

  40. chas says:

    Ha, yes, unicorns and trannies made me laugh.

  41. mickydidit89 says:

    That beats a packet of pork scratchings

  42. chas says:

  43. chas says:

    This is one of my favourite Henry goals I meant to paste after the Henry goal discussion. Keeping that half volley down and hitting it as if it came out of a cannon. Just beautiful.
    (even stewart robson struggles to find anything negative to say)

  44. mickydidit89 says:


    Get outa here and behave 🙂

  45. chas says:

    Members Day on Arsenal Player.

  46. chas says:

    I had a feeling that might stimulate your speculation-hungry juices. 🙂

  47. chas says:

  48. mickydidit89 says:

    Yes, Chas, I’m a master speculator, but equally happy to talk about rationing after the war 🙂

  49. mickydidit89 says:

    Look at that ’71 shirt on Chippy.

    They sell them in the AFC shop. In cotton, which is cloth made from natural materials, not oil.

    On the downside, it doesn’t spark.

  50. chas says:

    My shirt idea didn’t work by the way.
    The company now says puma don’t sell that shirt anymore.

    The trouble with cotton is it’s too hot and shrinks/colour runs when you wash it.

  51. fatgingergooner says:

    A well respected journo in Germany said that it was nearly a done deal before he got injured just before the WC so we moved on to Sanchez.

    If that is true, can’t see why we’d go back for him now.

    Doesn’t Reus also do a lot of Puma stuff in Germany?

  52. chas says:
  53. fatgingergooner says:

    Wouldn’t be too worried about DM if we had a front 4 of Reus, Özil, Sanchez and Walcott! 🙂

  54. chas says:

    I can’t stop laughing at the BBC thinking choosing Phil Neville to be a pundit on MOTD will placate a public fed up with Hansen and Lawrenson.
    Don’t these people look at the internet at all?

  55. Eddie says:

    and what do you know about food rationing? I am the expert on this, as well as on numerous other subjects 🙂 I was lucky my mother and grandma didn’t drink booze – they were exchanging their vodka rations for butter and meat vouchers. Shoes were the worst thing – I had to buy shoes without trying them on and be happy that I had a new pair regardless of size. And there was no eBay to sell on you know

  56. mickydidit89 says:

    Like I say FGG, 2-3-5 🙂

    Seriously though, as long as Arsene doesn’t bugger about sticking Mesut, Jack, Santi and god knows who else out left, and plays a front three out of Ox, Joel, Sanchez, Theo and on occasion Yaya, then we’d walk the league if we just bought a quality HM 🙂

  57. chas says:

  58. Eddie says:

    yeah!! Phil Neville sounds a lot like his big brother, but he is a bit slow. I got caught out listening to Neville’s commentary and then seeing Gary jumping out of his seat on the sideline. I could not understand how he could be at the game and do the commentary at the same time 🙂 Clever boy Gary

  59. Eddie says:

    brrrrrrr….Harold Webb everywhere brrrrrrr!!! He is being thanked profoundly for his terrific work and asking how to bring on the next generation of English referees. No, he didn’t say to bring the youngsters to Old Trafford

    Seriously though – he made some bad decisions. often in favour of the red Mancs but he was a good referee, no? Please don’t bombard me with videos of his bad mistakes, I have to go out soon

  60. fatgingergooner says:

    Here’s a rumour for you:-

    Guilovogui Atletico Madrid to Wolfsburg

    Luiz Gustavo Wolfsburg to Real Madrid

    Sami Khedira Real Madrid to ????

  61. mickydidit89 says:


    Don’t know what this says, but I’m reading about this Polish guy.

    Booted out of St Petersburg to Siberia by Russians. Then built a huge fortune. Rescued Poles from Russian Gulags. Built them hospitals, schools, libraries etc


  62. chas says:

    Every campfire should have one…….

  63. mickydidit89 says:


    That’s three rumours in one go. Top work 🙂

    For goodness sake look the other way, it’s getting bad in here 🙂

  64. Eddie says:

    so much for being an expert on everything 🙂 I’ve never heard of this guy Micky, but looked him up at Wiki now and am v. impressed, must checked this dude out properly

    Carvalho to Arsenal – another midfielder? We need more defenders

  65. mickydidit89 says:


    Amazing family.
    Lost it all. Russian Revolution. Escaped with nothing through Japan.
    Then back in Poland. Family again lost everything following German invasion, then Eastern Block. Escaped to UK. Then Ireland.
    His granddaughter is a really good friend of mine.
    Bonkers Polish woman 🙂

  66. Eddie says:

    wow!! I have to read about them, thank you for bringing it to my attention.
    You seem to like bonkers Polish women 🙂 Most men are scared shitless of such individuals

  67. chas says:

    The bat-shit crazier the better as far as Micky is concerned.

  68. Eddie says:

    and you gorgeous? 🙂 🙂

  69. chas says:


  70. I’m Knot Ear. Was someone saying Palace was all sold out yesterday? Saw tickets available on Ticket exchange just now.

    Still Knot Ear.

  71. Morning all

    Just sorting the new post …………. back in a min

  72. New Post everyone ……………….

  73. Bob says:

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    I find this topic to be really something which I think
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