We had a brief conversation mid-week about whether it was good or bad to face a manager-less team. I don’t like it. Even when playing what is surely relegation fodder.
Our recent loss appears not to have damaged the confidence both on and off the pitch which considering the state of the club in January is a remarkable turn around. We fans and thankfully the media seem to be less knee-jerk in our reactions and open to a more rational approach, however, and this should be written in bold, lose today and the knives will re-appear quicker than our troll changes monicker.
What of Crystal Palace.? Well, the wouldn’t pay for Big Nick but very handily took Chamakh off our hands. This tells all we needed to know about Holloway’s strategy to taking CP into the Premiership – Scattergun signings and a huge dollop of hope. It could have worked out, Chamakh could have struck the form we saw in his first games at the Em’s. Sadly, the reality is that all the hope has gone west and Palace are struggling, having beaten just bottom placed Sunderland and languishing firmly in the bottom 3. The 1-4 defeat to a poor Fulham side on Monday signalled the end for the likeable Holloway and whoever takes up the reins inherits a poisoned chalice.
I liked Chamakh and understood why Mr Wenger signed him but the man had the same problem as Gervinho – an inability to cope with the pressures of playing in front of 60+k expectant fans. Let us wish him well and trust that he gets his career back on track, starting tomorrow.
Can they win today and beat the team sitting comfortably at the top of the table 😀 ?
Let’s look at the stats: Arsenal haven’t lost at Selhurst Park since 1979! We have won 12 of our last 13 away fixtures. We have only lost twice to Palace – ever. But as we all know, there is many a slip twixt cup and lip, over-confidence would be costly.
Arsenal: One of the question marks from Tuesday night was what happened to Özil? It was good to read that he was ill before the game and this reflected upon his play. Should he play today or be rested ahead of our testing games ahead? Given Wilshere’s troublesome ankle and the return of Flamini, I expect to see Mesut start particularly as the partnership with Santi needs pick-time. This axis alongside Ramsey will be the future of Arsenal and propel us to glory – it just needs time.
We miss Theo. Young Didit proclaimed that Walcott getting injured would be disastrous for Arsenal, it hasn’t been as painful as he thought but we miss the speedster. I am a big admirer of Walcott and think we will hit even loftier heights of play when he returns. His speed of foot and Özil’s speed of thought are made for each other. But he remains on the injury list.
In a way the injuries make Mr Wenger’s choices easier, the main question mark is whether Rosicky or Cazorla starts on the left? And whether Sagna needs a break. Given the CC game midweek I would continue with the first choice 11.
The bench gets stronger and I expect all will get a run out on Tuesday.
If Arsenal are going to be serious contenders for the title then this is a must win game. I like Palace, without their scouting network one of my footballing heroes would never have had the opportunity to excel, I speak of course of Ian Wright Wright Wright who whenever I think of his time at HIghbury lights my day. On the flip side let us not forget Palace also sold us Eddie Mcgoldrick ….. need I say more?
Early kick-off and I expect us to be 5 points ahead of the pack at the final whistle, but am not taking anything for granted.
written by Big Raddy
Hey, slow down Tiger. “Young” (cough splutter dribble) Didit made a similar comment about Theo, but this was before The Boss lashed out 42 big ones on Ozil. Totally different players, I know, but new options.
Anyway, top marks again Raddy, so thank you.
I’d go for the same XI, as I want Ozil and Santi to get as much match practice together as possible, although finding a starting berth for Rosicky would be tempting.
Micky. Excuse, excuses. The words were said and duly noted.
Good pre-match BR
That team is undoubtedly the best choice.
But as a very close Wenger watcher I don’t think there has been a game this season in which Le Boss has picked a side that people expected and I don’t think today will be an exception so much so that my punt is that he starts with Gnabry.
I thought Palace were willing to stump up for Bendy but we withdrew him from the shop window when the Ba loan fell through. Who knows, I suppose?
Cashley was on loan for 3 months at Palace in 2000 before coming back to the team he supported as a kid and sonn after, displacing a passport-less Sylvinho.
After a hugely successful career at Arsenal, his career nose-dived after he started mixing with the wrong sort of people.
Good morning to you all.
Raddy, in the enforced absence of Walcott I think you have picked our strongest side. OK, I know we have a young bloke called Wilshere but at the moment his form and fitness are both a bit suspect. The latter will only improve once the former has been sorted out.
Somebody in The Telegraph has predicted an Arsenal win by 5 – 1. I hope he’s right.
This fixture always brings to mind a story told by my late father. He was out of work in the early 1920s, along with a lot of others, being an Arsenal supporter he was willing to go to some lengths to watch his team but money was not just short but non-existent, so along with one of his brothers he walked from his home in Paddington to The Valley, on arrival the gates had been closed on a capacity crowd, not to be denied he and his brother along with several hundred others scaled a fence and got into the ground and watched the game, he then walked home only to find that there was nothing to eat as his own meal and his brother’s had been eaten by the rest of the family.
NG. Lovely story. Clearly Goonerdom is hereditary as Young GIE will testify (and many others on here)
Ramsey needs a rest. Start Rosicky. And i’d slide Vermalen in for today’s and Chelsea game.
I remember seeing Marinello at home playing against C.Palace. Everytime he got the ball everybody in the stands stood up expecting something special!
That’d be the bald patch 🙂
I agree with LB on AW’s unpredictability, but still think he’ll save changes for either a winning margin to be established, ie 3-0, or the game against The Chavs.
Did you find BT Sport on your channel list, Micky?
And if so, does it work?
TEAM NEWS: Flamini and Cazorla start
Arsène Wenger made two changes to his team for the Premier League game against Crystal Palace on Saturday.
Mathieu Flamini returned to the side after missing the midweek Champions League game against Borussia Dortmund on precautionary measures due to the head injury he suffered against Norwich City.
Elsewhere, Santi Cazorla also came into the team with Tomas Rosicky and Jack Wilshere dropping to the bench.
Team in full: Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs, Arteta, Flamini, Ramsey, Ozil, Cazorla, Giroud
Subs: Fabianski, Monreal, Vermaelen, Rosicky, Wilshere, Gnabry, Bendtner
Copyright 2013 The Arsenal Football Club plc.
You got the team spot on – well done!
The BT Sport coverage is shocking.
The lead chap just pronounced Mesut’s surname, Ooozil.
Off to have a look.
Nice team, well in Raddy.
I’m looking at todays starting 11 and wondering who would Theo replace if fit?
That the bollocks Chas, thanks.
Channel 57. He can call Ooozil whatever he likes, it’s on the big telly and that is brilliant.
Off to prep the lunchtime KO Ploughmans.
Sorry Peaches, no MR from me.
Ha ha, you lot. Snookered 🙂
Great PM BR
Palace are no Dortmund, but hopefully we’ll remember the important lesson from the midweek game that it was our base of defensive solidity and hard work right across the team that put us back on track last January.
Micky. That’s the ticket. Get your retaliation in early
That’s a damn good starting 11, even without Theo’s speed.
Ah ha, just the man. Rocky, can you email me, as I’ve lost your address. Do you know a bloke called Max in your neck of the woods?
Right, back at half time.
Come on you Gunnnnnnners 🙂
RL. Too early for a beer in your land. I am into my first Tuborg and it tastes delicious alongside a cheese plate
Not good. We really need Flamini in the coming weeks
Would like to see Gibbs stay wide at times instead of cutting in.
Gnabry’s dribbling could be useful.
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Some of our passing is uncharacteristically sloppy so far.
Rare to see the home team park the bus.
Oh dear Palace are the team creating the chances.
Why is Sagna playing as our most advanced player much of the time?
Who would have expected 0-0 at the half?
BR – I feel like a beer after that half 🙂
I was quite nervous about this game.
Even without a new manager the Palace players want to lay down a marker for inclusion in the new man’s plans, whoever he is.
We need to sharpen up our passing in the second half. Way too many sloppy balls in the first period.
Also, I would like to see a couple of our players (Santi, Gnabry) try to take on and beat a defender now and again to disrupt their lines.
And I can’t figure out why Gibbs always cuts inside when he has the chance to drive down the line and get behind their defence…
Still, I think we’ll step up a gear in the second half.
Well, I thought that was very enjoyable
Nothing wrong with a breakfast beer, Rocky. It’s called Medicine
TPIG going all flappianski was worrying but apart from that we have been comfortable,.
Very congested in the centre – we need for Gnabry to get behind the full back and pull players towrds him.
Hopefully CP will run out of steam in the final 20 mins
Rocky I expected Palace to be defensive and resilient but they have created more chances and look like they could get a result.
There you go – a Gnabry dribble, a pen and a goal.
well done Gnabry!!!!
Get in. Gnabry takes on the man and made a fool of him.
More of the same please
Can we chalk that up as an “I told you so”
Very happy to do so 🙂
Gnabry in again. Personally, I lijke his more direct approach. Good sturdy lad as well. Bulldozer ….
Come OG, an easy header.
The pitch is very bumpy andd affecting our close passing.
Piss poor refereeing from Foy. Never a red card.
Ridiculous red card.
And no Flamini or Arteta for the next few games…
Now we will find out our true character.
Was I alone in hoping Arteta would deploy the kung-fu kick at one of those fans?
Second viewing. It was a red 😦
No Artata against Pool or Utd I guess. Very bad news. An appeal Would that delay things?
no arteta agaisnt Chelsea? then back for pool? FA? cop
Very very bad from Arteta. Really stupid. Should never have given the ref the option.
Micky doesn’t arteta just miss one game for the red card? doesn’t the capital one cup count as a game he could miss?
great saves Szcz
Cant agree raddy. Arteta holds the line of his run. It is chamack who deliberately leans into arteta and tries to grab his shirt. It is a foul on arteta for me. Even if arteta was the one doing the fouling i think it is very debatable to say chamack was clean through.
oh dear…. no Arteta, how bad is Flamster?
Don’t know. Hope so.
Sorry raddy. Fine post. Got back late from work so missed the start.
I feel a second coming on
Ollies hold up play not so good today. Not killing it with his first touch.
what a miss, Ozil
That’ll do !!!!
I think I can join Rocky in the “told you so” corner ROLF
ok, 2-0, job done, see it out now. with 10 men as well
Hold up play poor. Blah blah blah. Shut up goonerb you idiot. You dont know what you are talking about. Get in there ollie.
Monreal is doing fairly well
all done, well played the good guys
Will be very happy if someone can tell me Arteta only misses one game, and that could be the chav one
26 may can start collecting now!!!! 😀 😀
GB. Arteta was done for pace and as he has done many times grappled with the attacker. Had it been an Afc striker we would have expected a straight red.
CP played above themselves(as I expected). We needed to be strong defensively and we were, Merts & Kos outstanding
You told us! 😀
I agree with GoonerB about the pen. Chamakh miscontrolled the ball (it went off to his right). Instead of following the ball, Chamakh then leaned left into Arteta to play for the foul.
It was a foul on Arteta.
Does anyone know definitively the the rule on how many games he gets banned for? I know it’s one game for a red that comes from second yellow. Is the straight red an automatic three game ban or is it discretionary???
the commentator has just said ‘for Crystal Palace plenty of heart, plenty of effort, for Arsenal it was the class that shone through’ 🙂
Can’t agree BR
Chamakh “played” Arteta…
1 game ban for last man.
For the millionth time, the straight red rubbish comes when a red card is shown for dangerous play.
memory’s not what it was 😦
Shocking decision from Foy.
Not a foul and how can 45 yards from goal be a clear goal-scoring opportunity. Ridiculous.
What a feeling when Giroud scored the second. Relief! Elation! And then rather than sit back, the boys tried to get a third. That is what separates Arsenal from the rest.
Afternoon, sorry for bunking off for a few days.
That was tense but good stuff. Well done to Palace for showing so much character.
Glad to see I wasn’t the only one who thought Chamakh was very smart with his change of line – it looked like a foul on him from the first angle but looked at from behind, it’s definitely arguable the free kick should have been given the other way. As for a red, if Arteta did commit the foul, the ref can interpret it as the denial of an obvious goal scoring chance. I don’t think it was but it can be seen that way.
Am pretty sure it’s a one game ban (violent conduct red is three match ban).
Well that was a bit unnecessarily tense for a while, but TOTL all week, good bit of character shown, two fine saves by Szczesny.
Oh and explaining the performance….well I make Gary Neville right again
Oh and thanks arnie!
I thought Foy wasn’t terrible, but he gave lots more fouls against us than against CP.
He falls into that category of refs who seem to think it’s slightly unfair for less skilled players to have to deal with all our tricky one-touch passing and subconsciously gives the less skilled players the benefit of the doubt most of the time.
“King of the Hill
Top of the List
Head of the Heap
A Number one
King of the Hill”
Szcz was our MOTM.
No three points without those two great saves in quick succession.
Macmanaman calls it as a foul on Arteta.
3rd view Foul by Chamakh , no red card 🙂
Just our second PL clean sheet of the season.
By the way re the red card, whilst it may not be a free kick and whilst it probably shouldn’t be a red card the thing is to an extent we brought it on ourselves, both Ramsey and Arteta were the men back at the corner, but both were closer to their goal than their forwards in their half. For me, both should be on the halfway line, the forwards could never run in behind them from that starting point.
Ok, so if it’s a one game ban, does the CL count?
Now don’t get cross here Chas, I just don’t read rule books 🙂
I mean League Cup, not CL
Chamakh lost control of the ball with his first touch, and it squirted away to his right. He then leans into Arteta and catches his left foot in the crook of Arteta’s knee.
At speed the ref has an excuse in making the mistake about who fouled whom, but it was a foul on Arteta and by definition was not a red card.
Thank goodness that did not decide the game result!
You’re in for a tongue-lashing from Mr Chas… 🙂
Most welcome, 26.
Gnabry MOTM in my book!!!!! 😀 😀
If the ref had any doubt (which, from so far away, he must have had) he could have given the free kick and booked Arteta rather than sending him off.
I may have to withdraw my stupid Arteta comment, but if it’s only the Chav game, I’m not bothered either way.
All first team games count for ‘ban’ counts, don’t they?
I would like to be added to your list for a good tongue lashing please, Chas!! 🙂
Yes, congrats to 26 for winning his very small bet 🙂
Ramsey does have his occasional unnecessary moments, but he covered every blade of grass today. What a fantastic athlete and talent he is! 🙂
I think we all experienced the odd “unnecessary moment” while still at 1-0 🙂
On behalf of all Gooners, may I congratulate 26 on his win.
haha, I’m saying nothing.
RA even in the early stages I always thought he was the man most likely to change things, his touch and close ball control is too good at times, wriggling out of spaces, and holding on to the ball when you think he must lose it, but today he did most of that in the right area of the pitch.
ROLF Man Utd 0 – Stoke 1 after 10 minutes
Well actually scored after 3 minutes Moist IN
Just you and your Gooners wait till I haul in me £1400 big ones in May 🙂
Mind you, I have to say 26’s win is mighty impressive. Big Balls and all that.
Moist in. Love it 🙂
In more depressing news Suarez 2 in 5 minutes
Micky yes Arteta misses League Cup. Although that probably now means without Flamini and Arteta…..surely Flamini won’t be risked when we face Liverpool next weekend?
And David James is a numpty who has hated Arsenal ever since we wouldn’t sign him as understudy to Jens.
Pundits shouldn’t have agendas unless they are Merse, Charlie Nic , Lee Dixon, Wrighty or Frank Mclintock
Is there a more inappropriately named footballer on the planet than Cleverly? Just awful.
COC match counts, so Arteta misses a match he was going to sit out anyway. Makes for an interesting selection choice at DM for that fixture. Suggestions?
United back four just rubbish.
Dare I say that this is what champions are made of!!! We played one of our worst games and yet down to 10 men we still won by 2 goals. If we were scum united the pundits and papers would be singing our praises. Also that was never a red card, how could it even be considered as a scoring chance denied? Plus if anything it was 50-50, Chamie was also hanging on to Arteta.
By the way Özil today…..realised others were not joking when they told him every game is a battle. Couple of times today I felt he could do with a rest and watching away games from the bench on occasion and come on when the opposition have tired.
BSR equalized for ManUre 😦
And now it’s 1-2 – Stoke score again 😀 😀
Afternoon all, lady of the house here, a nice three points just added to our running total 🙂
I hope Arteta is only banned for the chavs on Tuesday although I don’t think it was a red card. Still as someone else said we shouldn’t have been so exposed for Arteta to be the last man. Sometimes we do still do some strange things.
Fantastic saves from Szczesny to keep us in the game . How unlucky must Flamini feel 😦 and Gnabry actually, he had to be sacrificed when Arteta went off.
I’m actually starting to feel sorry for United….
No, sod it, time to revel in a bit of schadenfreude!
Sorry for united!!!!!
Wash your mouth out 26!
After all the years of extra “help” ManUre have had from officials they deserve what’s coming.
I guess Ferguson’s pact with the devil must be over now that he’s retired (although I bet that, like Faust, he’s dreading the day when he has to fulfil HIS side of the bargain 🙂 )
Three points secured, a clean sheet, Flamini injured, Arteta sent off. Szczesny blinder, Gnabry looked good. Ozil runs into the parked bus.
In answer to Big Raddy’s question at the top of the page….Emphatically Not!
Raddy, We probably had different TV replays over here to the fine Danske folk. B.T sports captured a good angle that showed very quickly Chamakh leaning into Arteta. Even with that view and replay that twat “Monotone Michael” still went on about it being the right decision.
United 3 Stoke 2
Pool 4 WBA 1
Easy to say now, I suppose, but if we had managed to get Suarez as well as Ozil in the transfer window, we would win everything this season.
He is a fantastic goalscorer!
Bugger, Manure have gone 3:2.
Are we bothered 26?
…..No because We are Top of The League Say We Are Top of The League
I still think we should appeal the red card for Arteta just to see what they do and to put them a bit on the spot. They normally don’t rescind it but I would afford the ref and the powers that be the opportunity to hold their hands up and make ammends. Also if Arteta and Flamini are both out for the Chavs it may force Wenger into playing someone else that he had hoped to give a weeks rest and recuperation to.
Who fancies writing a post for tomorrow then ……… 😉
Hate to say this but Liverpool look a very good side and the best they have been for a decade.
We will still beat them
I missed a fair bit of the early part of the game peaches. See if anyone else volunteers if not I could do a synopsis.
GoonerB the only problem with an appeal is:
1) ban could be extended for frivolity
2) he is eligible for Chelsea but not for Liverpool.
So no appeal on the grounds that he could miss the first two important matches of November
El Classico or Southamton vs Fulham?
You mean El Cashico, GiE…
That game next weekend is immense. Am just sorry I’m not going to be there.
As for the league cup game, resting players has to be the priority.
I am looking forward to seeing why Monkeyboy is worth almost 3 x Cesc
Oh sorry – thought you meant Chavs v Citeh (but that’s tomorrow)
See what you mean gie. Lets not appeal it but it is time someone put them in the spotlight. I would love arsene to simply call them out publicly and ask them to explain the decision based on the video evidence and request that they make an official statement to say they believe the decision is correct. Wouldnt it be nice if for once a referee, unprompted, actually came out and said i got that wrong.
Perhaps Frimpong could play against Chavs
I think you may be right, but it still terrifies me playing Pool, Dortmund and Utd without Flamini alongside Arteta.
I’d honestly prefer to be without Ozil than Flamini for those games, as Mesut is more replaceable.
I might do an “ommmmm” for a speedy Flamini recovery.
Not real but still funny.
Did anyone volunteer while I was away?
Here’s the real photo. Still scary
I’ve just watched the first half of the United/Stoke game: the MUFC defence looks woeful, Smalling and Jones especially, but de Gea and Evans look ropy as well. Elsewhere on the pitch, Nani, Cleverley and Kagawa look poor too. But the number of chances they gave Stoke, one of the league’s weakest attacking forces, and the ease with which United were opened up time and again, looks very appetising.
I had a look at one of the United blogs, to see what the views are, and even having scraped the victory, they are not a happy bunch. This is one exchange by way of example:
“urg – we’ve got le arse soon”
“well that’s gonna be some lesson now wouldn’t it, they can’t seem to put a foot wrong , down to 10 man and still win…aaargh”.
Even with United’s problems, I still think they can give us a tough time. They may be playing poorly as a team, but they have two of the world’s most dangerous strikers who can punish a slack defense as they showed today.
That being said, I think they are shite and we will trash them!
26, could you post a link for that United blog, please?
arrrrrrggghhhhhhhhhhhh, Hansen highlighting something from 2010 to justify his pathetic dig at Arsenal
1989 was a long time ago Hansen, get over it you nappie wearing twat.
I dont go round telling people how in 1987 you were spotted leaving Block Buster with that “How to talk to women without stammering” video, or how in 1991 you were thrown out of 7/11 after disputing the price of a Porn Mag, do I?
Great post by the way Raddy
Hi Jamie. Here you go: http://republikofmanc.proboards.com/thread/24543/stoke-city-26-10-13?page=17
Completely agree, United are perfectly capable of hurting us. For one thing, I don’t really think we’ve been that great so far this season. There is so much more to come from this side, especially once the injured players are back. At OT, it isn’t going to be easy, but there is an opportunity to beat them there, and that’s something to enjoy.
Terry, far be it from me to disagree with you, oh sage one, or to back up bloody Hansen, but he was right about how we were lined up to defend the break on our corner. And that’s pretty much what Exile said earlier. In fact, wouldn’t surprise me if Hansen checks in here for tactical insights……
Well, I’d open with more from Sir Les, but open to offers.
Even in our deepest darkest dm crisis hour, I still don’t think Arsene will try Verm out. I mean, how badly can it go? We don’t care, but maybe, just maybe, it could be a moment of enlightenment.
Micky, I think even if he wanted to, Verm is needed at CB and risking him at DM could backfire if he gets injured. I also question his discipline because even when playing at CB he was prone to wandering forward
Although, I may be wrong and he could play exceptionally well at DM
The only thing I disagree with Hansen on is highlighting the Villa game, we were a goal down and a man down so were pushing for an equaliser. So leaving someone back at the corner (especially when Villa had pulled everyone in to their own area seems overly conservative, we don’t really protect 2-1 defeats! But yesterday I agree.
I suppose the question is he managed to find two goals where it happened from corners, yet we take how many corners a season?
Ah ha Jamie, maybe he was wandering forwards into his ideal location 🙂
Looks like I’m the only one who is terrified at the thought of playing Jack or Ramsey alongside Arteta against Utd, Dotmund and so on.
Best go and ask 26. He’s always right about these footbally matters.
Thanks for the link to the MU site.Very funny.They think they have a Fergie given right to win every game with ease.
Interesting that 26 writes about us being less than great this season, I agree, but we have played some outstanding football in 20 minute spells and against Napoli, 45 mins.
Don’t ask me, micky, I’m not as enthusiastic about Flamini as most. He’s an excellent signing but doesn’t necessarily make the XI I think is our best.
But that said, I think he’d be great for the matches against Liverpool and United: in terms of technique, they both have mediocre midfields, and I think Flam’s warrior MO is perfect for that. Against the more technical demands of Dortmund (or City or Chelsea), unless we go for a true midfield three, I’d prefer Arteta paired with Jack or Rambo.
But ask Exile or LB, not me!
For what it’s worth I think Flamini in the team results in us defending higher up the pitch….I would guess that Flamini’s average position is higher up the pitch than Arteta’s, that in turn carries the team forward, so rather than all chasing back 100 yards to get to where Arteta has dropped to they run back twenty yards to pick up the pieces created by Flamini.
And if you need evidence of this look at our shape pre/post Flamini coming off on Saturday.
Watching Dippers yesterday I was struck by the distance between Suarez and Sturridge, one was on the right wing and one on the left in the same moment of build up, this means both Sagna and Gibbs will need to be at there best defensively next weekend.
Let’s hope Theo is back to give us more natural width, I may even gamble starting Gnabry a player more likely to stretch the play wide than any of our attacking midfielders.
Re my 11.13.
Anyone spot my deliberate error? 🙂
Due to a senior moment I confused Palace with Charlton.
NG. Still a long walk !
We have no post for today 😦
I hear reports that Foy had forgotten to carry his yellow card with him to the ground!!!! No yellow cards the entire game, and one red that should only have been a yellow, if at all!!!!! 😀 😀
I’ve changed the time.
I have seen the video stream from MOTD and I was disgusted at the bias towards Arsenal. Hansen is such a tool, he tries to justify a video from 2010 in a pathetic attempt to justify a point. Why is it that MOTD only does this sort of stuff when it is about Arsenal. I do not see them pulling out old videos to show errors of Utd or Liverpool, why is that?
New Post …………………..
Peaches as no one else has offered I will put one very brief very hastily written match report.
Oops just looked and saw you had drafted something well done Peaches sorry wasn’t around sooner got a lot on this weekend.