Why did Wenger sell Alex Song?

Because he was………add your own four letter expletive.

I am sure this is the view of the majority of people who have stumbled across this site via NewsNow and thought they would give it a peek.

But this is not the only view: some of us rated him highly.

The list of reasons is long as to why Arsene sold him to Barcelona. They range from the straight forward idea that he was simply not good enough which is a slightly more polite version of calling him a four letter expletive but the sense is the same, to the idea that Wenger made a mistake, especially when the calls for a defensive midfielder who can play centre back are as loud as they are right now.

The most common reasons given by the group who didn’t think he was good enough were that he picked up needless yellow cards and that he was not disciplined enough in his positional play. We also had the rumour that Song was a bad influence in the changing rooms; he was late for training and acted as though he didn’t care.

I have been waiting a long time to explain my theory as to why he was so hastily despatched and it is not connected with any of those views above.

No, it is all about tomorrow. For the first time this season all the midfield heavy weights are fit and Arsene Wenger will be faced with a serious team selection dilemma when attempting to pick his side to face Liverpool.

Wilshere, Rosicky, Diaby, Ramsey, Cazorla and Arteta

So tell me, with all these players available how would Alex Song have fitted in?

The answer is he wouldn’t. We would have had too many midfielders and this, in my opinion, was anticipated by Wenger and was the reason why the deal with Barcelona was completed so quickly.

Barcelona to Arsenal: Are you interested in selling Alex Song, if so how much?

20 mil……..12………15……….done.

Alex Song vehemently denied that he wanted to leave the club in interviews given after he had signed for Barcelona; he also emphasised that he was fully committed to Arsenal. You may say, yeah, yeah, yeah but the unusual thing is that he said this after he had signed to Barça. Can you imagine Nasri or Van Persie saying such things?

Wenger can be quite ruthless when it comes to making room for the new. Silvinho was told not to return from Brazil to the UK to make way for Cole; Lauren was never played again after his injury to make way for Eboue (lets not go there).

A similar thing has happened to Jack Wilshere; our captain in waiting is Arsenal’s most prized asset; he is a player who when fit has to be played. This would have meant that Song might well have had to spend the best part of his new contract on the bench which would have been an absolute waste and so for that reason he had to go.

Alex Song brought so much that went unappreciated to the table, the most tangible evidence is just how less effective Arteta has been without him.

Song didn’t leave because he was home sick, he didn’t leave because the little boy in him was always Manchester United, he didn’t leave for City’s millions; the fact is given the opportunity he would have happily stayed.

The fondest memory I have of Alex Song is the superb pass he made to Thierry Henry enabling him to score on his return, tell me you didn’t go wild and I will tell you that you shouldn’t be on this site.

So Alex I thank you for that memory and wish you and your family happiness.

Written by LB

141 Responses to Why did Wenger sell Alex Song?

  1. Manthan says:

    Very positive post we can say song left us on high note… We never know what is der in arsene mind may be arsene didn’t wanted to block JW and ramsey first team oppurnity so we sold dem.. But he was worth

  2. evonne says:

    GiE 🙂 nice brown envelope for Rossie 🙂

  3. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Good morning to you all,

    Thought provoking post LB.

    If we had not previously earned the reputation of being a selling club I doubt that much notice would have been taken of the sale of Song. He had hardly set the footballing world on fire, he was an average midfielder with a seemingly careless attitude to defending. His career at Barca has not exactly been scintillating so far.

    As you say,LB, maybe Wenger was making room for better players in the midfield.

    Have we really missed him that much?

  4. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Has anyone read the Telegraph article on Usmanov and Henry? It’s worth a look.

  5. Aus Gooner says:

    I can tell you that Song was sold to make money for the club. If you look at the Financial Statements, almost all of the profit of the club comes from player sales. The profit last year was about 50 million pounds and about 20 million just from Songs sale.

  6. Norris says:

    A focused and disciplined Song was one of the best DMs around…. However that incarnation of the player became as rare as fuck unfortunately, replaced by a lazy, day dreamer with illusions of being a creative genius with a care free untroubled role within the team.

    Shame, because he could have been awesome. Still being at Barca isn’t too shabby I suppose!

  7. Dayniyi says:

    It is very very painful to sale alex song to barcelona last summer. Been seling our key player to order club not good enough. Now wenger wont to buy villa from barce, I don’t know how true this, but barce did allow villa to come to north london side? How old is david now ! But then refuse to let her go…if it wenger he we let Ȃя̲̣̣̥є̲̣̣̣̥ go…..we must stop to selling our key player now…. Good day !

  8. Norris says:

    Aus gooner

    No you don’t know that for definite mate. It might be the case, then again…

  9. Martin says:

    l still think Song as a key player to Arsenal’s first team, Song was help the defense when things were tough. Moving to Barca was a good choice for a player like him and if he wasn’t a better player Barca they could not have bought him…

  10. Norfolk Gooner says:

    £20 million PROFIT from Song’s sale? You will have to explain that one Aus.

    The fee was undisclosed, it was reportedly somewhere between £10 million and £17 million depending on which tabloid you read.

  11. Tasos says:

    Like the article.

    Initially Alex Song looked like a fish out of water at Arsenal with many fans believing he had no future whatsoever at the club. Eventually Arsene Wenger got the best out of him and with confidence Song became an important cog in the team but not an irreplaceable one.

    Back in those early days who could’ve foreseen Arsene Wenger turning Alex Song into a player the worlds best team would purchase for £15m?

  12. Des says:

    He sold him because it was profitable!

  13. twisted says:

    according to a friend’s sister whose cousin happened to pop by and mention that his uncle spoke with his brother in law who happened to have got it confirmed from their great grandma that Song and Van Persie had a massive falling out on August 6th at the training ground before they both left the club. I don’t know if it is related to Song leaving/pushed out and I can’t say if it is true because the grandma in question is a senile old bag…

  14. gav says:

    he been voted barca worse player this year he wanted to go thort rhe grass would be greener on the other side like they find out it never is

  15. israel onome says:

    gud player no mata wot they abt him he is d best in our mildfild wen he was wit us

  16. Lewis says:

    Then why do we still need a DM player. Him and diaby in front of the back 4 would have been an excellent option!

  17. vp says:

    Morning all

    Think Song lacked the required discipline to ever become a top draw DMC. For me, this was probably one of the least painful departures to stomach in recent times. However, selling him would have been the right thing to do if we had brought in a replacement. This did not happen which suggests that the sale was made more for financial reasons than footballing ones.Would we still have sold if he was world class?….. probably, and that’s the worrying thing for me. Not really sure what to make of the club’s allegations that he was a bad influence in the dressing room.

    My brother lives three minutes away from the Neu Camp and so follows them quite closely, he tells me that the local Catalans are yet to really warm to him.

  18. Big Raddy says:

    LB. Good subject for a post.

    The reason you give for his departure make much sense. Add in Coquelin (and perhaps Frimpong) and we have most bases covered

    AW is no fool (contrary to some keyboard warriors opinion). €18m for an inconsistent player was good business.

    Has Song been missed this season? In some games, definitely. His height and strength plus his ability to see a pass has been missing.

    My litmus paper test is always “would I like him back in the team?”. With RvP and Cesc- definitely. With Nasri and Adebayor- definitely not. With Song, it is less clear cut.

  19. chakky says:

    I dont think Song was sold only due to footballing reasons. Arsene never lets a player go unless he asks for it seriously enough,specially when he is doing good. When Barca came asking, Song felt it was his best chance and he took it because a new revised deal was not in the offing for him at Arsenal..

  20. Gooner In Exile says:

    Aus Gooner check the accounts again, Song sold in July/August club accounts end 30 June, so no profit from his sale in this years accounts my friend.

    LB I am aware of your fondness for Alex, he had reached a level, and am not sure we saw much progression on from that. One of the things that frustrated me most was his silly fouls/yellow cards, although I can see how in some instances they were necessary and he was taking one for the team but on too many occasions for my liking he did not need to concede free kicks in areas where he did.

  21. Big Raddy says:

    chacky. No-one can blame Song. Bigger club, more money, no icy winters, no first team pressure.

  22. Rasp says:

    Great thought provoking post LB.

    As you will recall, I was the first to suggest Song would be leaving and I did so from not long after the start of his last season.

    You and several others asked me how I came to that conclusion.
    The answer was that I perceived a marked change in his personality on the pitch. He was no longer joining in on goal celebrations, he would be looking to the ground hands on hips when there was a lapse in play … he clearly was not a happy bunny (Cesc’s behaviour was pretty much the same in his last season)

    The reasons for his change in attitude are pure conjecture and you have listed them all in the article.

    Song surprised most of us (maybe not you) in the exceptional passing ability he was able to show in that last season, but I surmise that despite that quality, that Arsene, like the Barca management see his greatest asset to the team in his strength and tackling ability as a defender.

    My fear is that he may do a ‘Hleb’ and be gone from Barca in 18 months unless he can perform in the way require. Like you say he is a decent, modest man who shuns the limelight so good luck to him for the future.

  23. arseweb says:

    I disagree vp – the sale made sense for footballing reasons. We didn’t replace Song with a defensive midfielder because we don’t play with a defensive midfielder. The only time under Wenger that I can think of when we’ve had a clear DM was when Gilberto played alongside Vieira. All our central midfielders need to be flexible, to be able to defend as well as attack. And for that you need discipline and intelligence and Song, good as he was, just didn’t have the qualities required. Which is what made it so bizarre that it was Barca that wanted him! Arteta, Ramsey, Wilshire, and Diaby are all much better footballers; Song was sold because we got an over-the-odds offer for a player who wouldn’t have been starting many matches.

  24. micro says:

    Song went, more will go, stop driving using your rear view mirror and move on. It is in the same blogs that people called Song and van Persie names asking why Wenger could not buy replacements, now they are gone, the questions remains. This could also explain why some people end up doing nothing in life apart from cricizing what others do.

  25. Rasp says:

    A bit like you just did then micro?

  26. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp 😀

  27. Rasp says:

    LB, if (big if) we do buy Diame in the next 2 days (I suspect he’s leaving wham but not to join Arsenal) where do you think he would fit in the midfield, or do you see him as a different kind of player to Song?

  28. Manthan says:

    There are lots of rumour of villa cuming to Arsenal.. Villa is a very good player and a goal praocher but he is already 31 and we have good option upfornt… We really need him ??? he might cost us 13Million instead we can go for the DM……. ANY Toughts?????

  29. Manthan says:

    If Diame comes to Arsenal we will be having lots of option in MF… Currently we have RockskyJW,Ramsey,Mikel,Daiby,Le coq but we cannot depend on Daiby and Rocsky… They might get injured and we wiil short of option so he diame comes we can rotate the squad suppose there is no daiby then we have 2 option at all places… DM-Daime/Arteta CM-JW/Ramsey AMF-Santi/Rocksy and we have Le coq… We all know we cannot rely on daiby….

  30. Rasp says:

    Hi Manthan, I would hope that the Villa deal would be a loan until the end of the season with an option to buy. Paying that sort of money for a 31 y.o. makes no sense especially when our new strikers are still bedding into their first season and improving all the time.

  31. Manthan says:

    Exactly.. I really hope that arsene signs Daime or Wyanama in coming days Fingures cross

  32. goonerjake says:


    pot / kettle?

  33. Rob Lucci says:

    Big Radyy,

    Cesc yes. RVP, hell no.

  34. evonne says:

    aaaaahh…what a great read!! Thank you LB

    Your conspiracy theories not always substantiate, but on this occassion I think you hit the nail on the head. It had to be Wenger’s vision and precission. Excellent move on his part, again

    Why did you have to spoil such a good article by reminding us of Eboue for Lauren swap? Oh dear oh dear. glad that is in the past

  35. crispen says:

    Good positive article. Reflecting on our midfield after Song left, Is there any one of these guys we have who are any where near Song? Certainly not. How different our midfield would be with both Jack and Song…
    I have always thought that Song went so that he would not block the way for Ramsey. Well that decision will show its merits/demerits in the next couple of seasons. I would not have done it but I TRUST WENGER.

  36. arseweb says:

    Crispen… err… no, none of them are very near Song. They’re all considerably better. Are you seriously saying you’d have Song in the team ahead of Arteta, Jack, Ramsey (playing like he has just recently) or Diaby? Which one and why?

  37. Rob Lucci says:


    I would have Song in front of Ramsey, but a fit Diaby is definitely in front of Song..

  38. okey joseph says:

    My friend you are just politicking this issue, be honest and bold, AW sold Alex Song purely on his profit madness. he is the only top four mgr that will be tinkering his team by selling off his best legs. now that Diaby is back his combination with Song would have made our defence line so solid, Wilshere, Arteta and Carzola would given us the same exciting midfield that Cesc Fab and Nasiri produced. No no this profit only through the sale of our best players by Wenger is not the best. Are you saying RVP was sold because there was no place for him due to the presence of Giroud and Podolski, so they will bench him? The truth is that we miss Alex Song and the gap is yet to be filled,Song joyfully left it was Barca a better team that came calling and Arsenal is steadily being depleted of quality by Wenger. So he should stop this his madnes sof selling any star that comes up if he is truely building a formidable team, Dont be suprise if Oliviere Giroud scores up to 22 goals next season Wenger will offer him to next availabe bidder with $20m

  39. LB says:

    Wow, so many new names, the milage that player generates in Arsenal blogshere never ceases to amaze me.

    Hi BR

    Difficult to answer as I don’t believe that he will be joining.

  40. crispen says:

    arseweb…..Arteta has been half the player he was last year.. you think thats a coincidence?
    Jack has been good for the last 3 games ,, still can’t hit the final pass consistently but he is 21.IF he keeps improving he will get there. There is no guarantee.
    Ramsey has played two good games the whole year. As I said at least another year before you can even start the Song comparison. As for Diaby, how many games did Song miss in his last three seasons? Diaby is the only player you could compare with Song but HE DOES NOT PLAY so what exactly would be the basis for comparison.
    And why would the best team in the world, with the best midfield in the world buy a so-so midfielder ?? And pay 15K for him?

    I would definitely have Song ahead of all our current lot… As has been pointed out this was obviously not a footballing decision it was a $$$$$ decision.

  41. GoonerB says:

    That is a very interesting article LB and about a player who I both rated but felt had deficiencies in equal measure.

    I think others have alluded to it, but if we let Song go due to having too many players already covering his position, so in essence he constituted one too many, why are we now (potentially) looking at another DM? It can only indicate one of three possibilities for me.

    The first is that AW did rate Song as a player but felt that he had more than enough players to cover this position. If we do now buy another DM, it would surely mean that AW got it wrong in his assessment and that we weren’t adequately covered in this department and so should not have let him go in the first place.

    Second is that he didn’t actually rate Song so highly, or that there were problems behind the scenes. Maybe he was instructed to be more disciplined in his positioning but went up field too often against instruction. Who can really know.

    Thirdly that it was purely about money. Maybe AW felt he had the chance to make more money than he valued the player at and that he felt he could either replace from within or bring in a financially cheaper alternative that had the same quality level. What is then done with that money is another matter e.g if he can end up saying look Diamy and Song are the same standard of player but I made £15m for the club on those deals and will now use that to go for a £30m player rather than a £15m player…. Sorry just got distracted by these bloody pink pigs that keep flying past my window.

    I still feel none the wiser on why Song went but you have laid out a good argument on how you see it LB, and raised a good topic for discussion.

  42. vp says:

    Hi Arseweb

    I think its important to have one person specifically assigned to defensive duties in a midfield. I don’t think that you can interchange this responsibility between players. Even Barca (the best ball retainers in the world) play with a defined player in this position (bosquets) who is not permitted to go past the half way line in certain situations. A DMC would allow both Wilshere and Carzola to push further forward, and enable us to better exploit, what’s in my opinion, the strongest part of our team.

    The bottom line is that if Song was still at the club he’d still be playing every game like he was last season (we probably wouldn’t have purchased Carzola). As i said earlier,going on recent history, i really believe that we would have allowed Song to leave even if he was world class. So for me, it would be a tad bit misleading to suggest that the sale of Song was strictly for footballing reasons.

  43. createstrain says:

    i think song was ignorant of many things and i was getting tired of his ‘brand’ in the media but…i miss his strength in midfield. no one currently offers what he brought. so yes, he can make a decent pass/through ball within a pretty frustrating ratio but wont be missed.

    question is. is diame really at 3.5m? and how consistent is he? cos on youtube he obviously has pace, tech, decent shot/passing range, forward momentum, and most importantly, ridiculous strength.

  44. Manthan Davda says:

    Second point is the reason i feel… Song was not displinced an as soon as barca came in his attitude might got changed and AW never keeps player with wrong attitude so he didn’t buy MVILA

  45. tomstoned says:

    Just read Arsene’s *update*and once again im left breathless,,dont need anyone ?..well Mr Wenger you sold RvP and Song and we’re about 50 points behind the top clubs..what a great season Your having …moreover You should be the proudest Gunner in the World Mr Wenger…you did sell the premier league to manure..thats a trophy for you right…
    that man is mental…

  46. goonerjosh says:

    song was sold clearly for the money.. 2 clear reasons why. 1 because we didnt reinvest.and 2 we had alot of centre mids anyway. thing that really angers me though is why do some fans have ago at wenger for selling him when they probably were part of the majority who thought he wasnt good enough.

  47. kelsey says:

    Interesting article LB and we are second guessing but at the end of the day the current best club side in the world bought him and what they paid is immaterial.
    i thought he had improved a lot and he was deceptive with his movement that often made him look cumbersome.
    There is a good argument that kos is just as reckless as song in giving away free kicks in vital areas of the pitch and actually so does Arteta.
    Rasp you go to games I don’t but I don’t think your explanation holds much water by watching Song’s body language.
    Arshin doesn’t exactly show much enthusism when he or more to the point when someone else scores.
    I think it’s a bit of two things.When Wenger falls out with a player there is no turning back on his behalf,though i don’t know if that is true and secondly Wenger balanced the option of keeping him or getting what he/club saw as a good price.
    i wish we did our buying as quickly as he was sold.

  48. Rasp says:

    Hi kelsey, the facts prove you wrong 😕 I was correct in saying he would be gone in the summer when no one else was even considering it.

  49. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Opinion appears to be split between those who believe that Song was sold as he wasn’t good enough and those who believe he was sold purely for the money.

    My opinion?…he wasn’t good enough and the money was.

  50. GunnerX says:

    Funny enough after Diaby’s delightful chipped pass to Giroud for his second against Brighton, I thought about Song and how much he’s been missed.
    Although he was often ridiculed by many Gooners alike, for me he was always a solid and committed player for us. Its real convenient to claim that he was a disruptive influence, when in reality we all know that Arsenal tend to sell their most valuable assets every end of season. I’m wondering who it will be next?

  51. tomstoned says:

    one questions need to be answered…how come Wenger are willing to rely on Diaby and Rosicky..two great players no doubt but honestly…its pure stupidity…or put in other words…its what seeps trough The Arsenal at the moment…no ambition whatsoever..and furthermore…money making..
    lets all move to Burma..and bring Wenger with us he would be an instant hit !!

  52. LB says:

    It wasn’t so much that you predicted that Song would leave Rasp, it’s the fact that you predicted that he would join Barcelona — I thought you were off your rocker.

  53. Big Raddy says:

    This sums it up for me …

    Norfolk Gooner: My opinion?…he wasn’t good enough and the money was.

  54. Big Raddy says:

    Tom. Why Burma?

    I know they have more light and better weather than us, but can’t we go to Thailand which has much more to offer? 😉

  55. slime says:

    The last thing Arsenal need right now is a midfielder who can play CB or vice versa. How many times has Wenger been moaned at for playing people out of position? (Ramsey, Podolski, Theo etc). The fact we are playing most games without a DM tells me we are going in a different direction to what Alwx Song could offer. He looked lazy on the pitch at times and took risks. Arteta is the opposite.

    I put a comment up about Villa yesterday and one of the responses was where would he play? The answer is he would play where Giroud plays. It’s called competition for places, and it’s exactly what this club needs. If rumours are to be believed, then the stadium payments are under control and we have cash to strengthen, so lets do it. There’s been a lot of pussy footing round the players for the last 8 years, and maybe that is what was needed at the time, but it’s not needed now. If we want to be a big club again then it’s time to sign big time players and stop worrying about upsetting others. If players are good enough, they will prove it. How much has Gibbs improved since Santos arrived? Jenks has come in and Sagna doesn’t like it, see you later! Competition can work both ways, but it’s the best players that are left at the end.

  56. vp says:

    Still no signings. May be this will cheer you up,knowing that our owner Mr Kroenke is having a good day.


    And here’s us buying a make-shift left winger that’s actually a CF to save a few bob on striker cover. But we wouldn’t want to deny a shareholder from increases in wealth, now would we, as this would be like theft, right?

    Long live our pristine capitalist!

  57. Big Raddy says:

    slime. To be honest if we sign Villa for €12m it would disappoint me. A 31 y.o. who has not shown any form since his return from a leg break is not what I want for Arsenal. A loan OK.

    If we are to take a striker and have the money, let’s buy the best – Cavani or Suarez, for example.

    To a certain extent I agree with your point about competition but the flip side is that a team works best with a consistent and cohesive first 11. Check out the Invincibles to see that – outside the first 11 no-one played much.

  58. I wrote comment and it got lost. I don’t miss Song. I never even think about him.

  59. Also…. A lot of the people who go on about how we only want to make money are the same people who say most of our players are mediocre (or shit) which is exactly what Song is. He’s been voted the 2nd worst signing in La Liga behind Modric.

  60. Raddy
    I can’t see us buying Cavani. Liverpool would never sell Suarez to another PL team unless it was stupid money like Torres.

  61. Balotelli has gone to Milan. I’ll miss him. I’d love him at Arsenal

  62. LB says:


    That article about Song being voted worst signing ever was written by yet another person who doesn’t understand why clubs buy players as back up.

    It brief it was no more than a poor journo trying to fill some column inches. It has no more credibility than something we can read about Song on Le Grove.

  63. LB says:

    And GM

    In response to your 2.31, the trick is to try and fill a dull Tuesday with a post, I am sure Friday will be free, got any ideas?

  64. dandan says:

    Nice words LB well done. Good Interview here with an interesting take on the team by Chesney.


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  66. I’m not sure waht you’re getting at LB. I thought it was a great post. I never really rated Song. I used to defend him from the haters (not on here) Because I never thought he was shit but I never thought he was that good. Barca will get rid of him soon.

    Re the vote. Who voted?

  67. Rasp says:

    Hi LB, your post is much more than a space filler for a dull Tuesday as the number of well argued responses proves.

    It is clear that opinion is still as divided as when he wore the Arsenal shirt.

    Do we need to bring in players who will strengthen the first choice eleven or improve the 2nd choice options and more importantly give the manager the confidence to play them to rest the first choice options? In an ideal world (with limitless money = city), first and second choice quality would be as close as possible, but in reality, the second choice options will mostly be players at the beginning or nearer the end of their careers.

  68. LB says:


    Seems as though I picked up the wrong end of the stick……….again!

  69. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp. Why would any decent player come to AFC to be second choice? It isn’t as if we can pay the wages of the Oilers.

    We do not need more Squillaci’s do we? We need players who will fight for a first team place and be relatively patient whilst doing so, which is why the youth policy and the signing of the 5 players was so important. Ramsey, Ox, & Jenks are exactly the type of players we need as backup. With Eisfeld, Gnabry, Coquelin and Miquel not far behind.

    I still have deep concerns about our 2nd GK.

  70. slime says:


    I understand what your saying, but i think the Invincibles were very fortunate not to have to rely on the pretty awful subs we had at the time. Recent seasons have shown the need to have 2 players for each position. Nowhere in the rules does it say that you have to have 1 player far worse than the other in said position. We should be looking now to sign players of equal or better quality than what we currently have. Buying a 4th choice CB or 2nd choice striker is no longer what we should be looking at. I’m not saying we are going to have 22 world class players, because that will never happen, but I believe some of the players we have now could be bettered.

  71. Rasp says:

    Raddy, I’d put it another way. It is apparent that the richer the club, the higher the wages and the closer the quality of first and second choice players … therefore the greater the flexibility to rotate squad members.

    We have seen that (with a few noteable exceptions) money is the great motivator with players. We have players who are not near the first team who are refusing to take lower wages in order to get pitch time at another club

  72. Red Arse says:

    I am sure many of you know of the famous Dutch artist M.C. Escher.

    You know the guy who painted ‘mathematically’ impossible scenes where, for instance, one set of stairs is presented leading upwards until it joins another set of stairs, at an angle, and then meets yet another set of stairs, except your eye is telling you that you are at the bottom of the first set of stairs, almost like a perpetual ‘loop’.

    What has that to do with anything?

    Well, reading today’s comments, and the comments from yesterday, and the previous day, and so on, ad infinitum, you reflect on the apparent impossibility of fans with a single shared interest having such widely diverse footballing polyglot of opinions, and yet somehow, without any incongruity, still managing to retain the same sense of solidarity, conformity and identity as Gooners.

    Truly amazing, and a finger-post to the complexity of thought patterns of human beings. 🙂

    [Sadly, my own limitations prevent me acquiring the dexterity of Arthur ‘Chas’ Mullard to reproduce visual effects, or I would show an Escher painting to demonstrate and underpin my musings!!] 😦

  73. Big Raddy says:

    Slime. No arguing with that!

  74. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Still no signings how lucky are we?.
    Regarding Song for Europe he was not a bad player he worked hard and had good stamina,but I don’t feel we are mising him.

    We are not going to sign Villa his wages would be to hefty for the club,and his age is against him .Class player yes but out of our depth.

    This player we are after from Wham (Diame) yet another average player and we have 10 average players in the squad now.
    Do we really need another?.


  75. Rasp says:

    Who would you buy then sheepy who is within the club’s budget?

  76. VCC says:

    This might help Rasp.

  77. Red Arse says:


    I have never understood the concept of any professional player ‘signing up’ to be a ‘second choice’.

    Surely every decent player believes he is capable of fulfilling an important role in the team, and if not immediately, they feel they will at some point replace the present incumbent, at a time commensurate with the acquisition of further skill development and experience?

    Without that confidence or arrogance, they will not, by definition, deserve the accolade of being a ‘decent player’.

    Even the much derided international player Squillaci, would have joined Arsenal to play in the first team. Events proved him wrong, after a short time, of course, but the blow to his pride would have been eased by a hefty salary package, until he finds alternative employment or reaches the end of his contractual term.

    I am well aware, admittedly, that the phrase in question is used by many fans, and is not peculiar to you, but this is the first time I have bothered to ask about it, in my perplexity! 😀

  78. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Whatever I say means nothing as he has no interest in spending on players.
    I’d like to see class arrive not dancing chimps.

  79. Red Arse says:

    It might not help Rasp, VCC but it does help to illustrate my point.

    Thank you! 😛

  80. VCC says:

    Sorry Red Arse, I thought it was Rasp. DOH. Just ignore me. 🙂

  81. Rasp says:

    Hi Redders, I’m sure no player signs up to play 2nd fiddle. They may sign up in the hope of becoming first choice, or because they may get the chance to play at a higher level in the autumn of their careers, or because city are paying them ridiculous money 🙄

  82. Red Arse says:

    We appear to be in agreement, Rasp.

    None of the suggested reasons you quite rightly state;

    1. Hopes of becoming No1 in the position.
    2. To improve/become more experienced – become No1..
    3. Be a good player, looking for financial ‘security’ in a Lampard situation.
    4. Be flattered that City think they are so good they will pay a king’s ransom in salary.

    But none on that list will think they are signing up to be ‘second choice’ even if that turns out to be the case.

  83. Big Raddy says:

    RA. I think there will be plenty of players who are happy to be squad members if the wages are right.

    €20k to be the dog’s nuts at Wigan compared to €40k a MU reserves? What would you do?

  84. You had me worried. I thought I’d upset someone. 🙂

  85. Red Arse says:


    I would ask for more — I am no second choice — and if I was driving my car I would have almost crashed at your miserly offer of £40K — I am sure you promised me £45K. 😀

  86. Big Raddy says:

    RA. 😀

  87. Red Arse says:

    For those concerned that we have not bought anyone (or more accurately, their contract) yet, I have an idea about Arsene’s cunning plan.

    AW has a fall back position, as he could have gone in and spent some £3.5m ‘pocket money’ on Diame, as he is just sitting there with a buy out clause, ready for the plucking.

    But Arsene thinks he might be able to get someone much better, altho’ for a somewhat higher price. Only if he fails to negotiate a deal will he then consider buying Diame.

    The trick is that AW always leaved these things until the last knockings, and the decision will only be reached at 22:58 on Thursday, and as we all know, AW will astutely spend 5 minutes making up his mind, and the clock will inexorably click on to 23:00 and tough titty — too late.

    We must all play our part and beam positive thoughts to AW on Thursday evening, and ensure he decides at 22:55, and so with his usual aplomb he will sign Diame/Someone at the precise transfer witching hour!! 😀


  88. Big Raddy says:

    Makes sense to me RA.

    But is Diame good enough for The Arsenal?

  89. Maybe RA has hit on it, Arsene is hoping to buy back Song for £4m, teach those Catalans a lesson.

  90. Rasp says:

    Yes Diame would improve our squad as would Wanyama – but neither would be assured to start every game.

  91. So if Diame is on £40k a week or even £30k a week, and we are going to sign him and he is not assured of playing, what does it cost a week to get him to join?

  92. Red Arse says:


    A false premise don’t you think? 😀

    No player can be allowed to dictate his own playing terms ever.

    None of this -“I will only play at CF” or “I must play every week – even if my performances stink”, etc etc.

    Any player negotiating a contract with us should feel he is the bees knees, and would have no problem in getting in the team — or if he lacks the required arrogance, and therefore doubts his own ability, he is not good enough for Arsenal.

  93. Red Arse says:

    Anyway, Daddy GIE, Diame, if it came to that, should be prepared to take a £10K per week salary cut, like Arteta did, to enjoy a huge leap in status to one of the top teams/clubs in the world!! 😛

  94. Big Raddy says:

    RA. Damn right.

  95. Rasp says:

    I don’t see anything wrong with buying a player in the knowledge that if they don’t work put we can always sell them for a profit, unfortunately we let the saints make the profit on Diara

  96. Problem is Rasp, if they don’t work out and we have put them on a decent wage……….well you know what happens next. They join the flotilla of deadwood washing around London Colney 😀

  97. Red Arse says:

    Portsmouth? Rasp.

    Did we get a sell on clause payout?

  98. Think we did RA from memory, not a bad one either, would have been more but Rosie took a cut

  99. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I think this is a brilliant post, and here’s why.
    I read it this morning during a particularly critical point during a meeting, but have not had a chance to comment until now.
    That has given me a lot of thinking time. The Song debate poses so many questions, not only about the man himself, but also about various roles in the three man midfield.
    Barca bought Song as a utility DM/CB type of player, and yet, I never considered him a DM at all.
    In fact I always felt that if he wanted to leave (as opposed to Arsene wanting him to leave), then it was because he wanted a more advanced role. Who knows?
    Interesting, LB, that what you remember most fondly was a precision pass to TH, much like my fondest memory is of his precision ball to Chamakh against Wolves.
    Then there were his surging runs into the box.
    Thanks, great memories.

  100. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Quick evening all.
    Sorry to butt in on conversation, but had to comment on the post.
    Back to work, I’m afraid.
    Catch up in the morning.

  101. barumgooner says:

    Nicely written LB. I never disliked Song but was pleased to see him go. There are many out there both Arsenal fans and neutrals who described him as a defensive midfielder but as the seasons went on he seemed to be anything but that, preferring to stroll forward and play the stevie-me wonderballs which on occassion came off but often led to counter-attacks on our hapless defence. He is typical of players from the barren years who were good enough to see us through the wilderness but alas were not of the quality required for taking us forward. As you quite rightly say he would most certainly struggle to get in the starting eleven and if kept would only hinder Ramseys development. Thanks for your services but good-bye and good luck.

  102. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Sorry I found this funny .

    Manchester United player Paul Scholes had his 4×4 Chevrolet Captiva stolen from his driveway yesterday as he defrosted the windscreen.

    According to the stolen vehicle recovery company Tracker, the thieves pounced after the Old Trafford player left his engine running to melt the ice while he went back indoors.

    This type of theft is known as ‘frost-jacking’, as thieves look out for anyone who has left their car running while it warms up.

    Sheep thinks
    Paul scholes was not the engine that he was many years ago.

  103. Gooner In Exile says:

    ‘Arry has named two goalkeepers on the sub bench!?!?! What is happening there?

  104. LB says:

    Thanks Micky

  105. arthur mallard кря кря says:

    Great post, LB.

    Alex Song used to piss me off and at the same time also worry when he wasn’t there: both in equal measure.



    Mallard (great pass, lucky volley 🙂 )

  106. football1 says:

    AM, True, for a long time he was very important for the club. I would rather we had sold Diaby but as we’d be lucky to get 15p for him I guess Song was the most sensible option.

  107. goonerjake says:


  108. goonerjake says:


    ment to say welcome, ive been bugging you long enough to come on here to air your views, as i know you always make fantastic points when we are discussing the arse together and know that you are always very insightful and correct apart from:

    Van Persie (i told you he was going to be a great stiker…you never believed me thinking reyes was going to be better)
    Zonal marking (i still say your wrong)

    But besides these few points and a few others you are always normally sometimes right with your views when we speak sooooo….welcome

  109. arthur mallard кря кря says:

  110. arthur mallard кря кря says:

  111. Gooner in Exile says:

    My Dad’s opinion of Alex Song:

    “Who went and told him he could play football?”

    And what he meant by that is when did the forget that his first job for the team was surely covering the back four, can’t deny there were some great passes last year though.

  112. arthur mallard кря кря says:

    Sorry, world of my own again. 😆

  113. slime says:

    Cabaye with a screamer tonight. Would love him to be Rosicky’s replacement. How did Rosicky get on against Brighton? Was that his first start of the season? Seems ages since he played.

  114. James says:

    Wenger sold Song because he wanted to break even in the transfer market. Everything he does is selfish at its core. He wants to make it LOOK like he has to break even. But also, he realised Arsenal would not miss Song, because he cannot educate Song to be a DM and whether he stayed or left Arsenal would not be challenging for anything anyway, so it doesn’t really matter who plays.

  115. oz gunner says:

    @ Slim

    it was a pearler wasn’t it?!

    @ LB

    No surprise it would be you writing a Song post, after all you are his biggest fan on here.

    I love this clip

    I could watch his bit of skill and assist against BD all day long. The thing that annoys me most is when people say Song wasn’t discipline enough, when they clearly do not know if Arsene told him to show more attacking intent. I liked Song, would have loved to see him stay. He had a lot of versatility (box-2-box, DM, CB) which was very useful and still would be. The red card to Kozzer made me think of Song straight away, because if he was in the lineup he could have slipped straight in to the CB stop no problem.

    I still think his best position was CB. His shock CB start against Man U was top notch, as was his display against Adebayor last season when we played the scum. Arry tried to isolate him but time and time again Song out muscled him and stripped him of the ball!

    I’ve there is a buy back clause in his contract I’d love to see him come back.

    Perhaps Arsene’s biggest gem. From an average loan spell at Charlton to Barca in a few seasons, sounds like he did well to me!

  116. oz gunner says:

    Also he really loved scoring for Arsenal!!!

  117. Prince-Purrfect-Poldi says:

    Great post LB,

    Couldnt have said it better than Oz, Cheers mate, 100% agreed. I would take him back, but it would have to be for under 10mil due to lack of playing time and to get some back on Farca.

    Morning all, really looking forward to our game with ‘pool. This game should be an exciting test for our strikers and attack. Agger and Skrtel are one of the better combos in the league both in def and attack. Big game for Giroo, i think we are in for some fireworks. 🙂

  118. Gooner In Exile says:

    From Arsenal.com lets see if major media bothers to report it……

    Arsenal freeze prices for 2013/14 campaign

    The price freeze means Arsenal will have made only two across the board inflation-linked price increases in the eight years since it has been at Emirates Stadium.

  119. oz gunner says:

    That would be great PPP, we need to get some back from them. Taking players, beating us in 06, and knocking us out of the Champions League twice…heck we should be burning down their stadium for that!

    agreed, tough fixture! We must be ready from the start for this one. We should over power their midfield, especially if Diaby plays. He tore them a new one last time!

  120. Gooner In Exile says:

    I heard on the radio the other day that Liverpools wins this season have all come against teams from the lower half of the table. They went on to say that their league position is overinflated due to the recent run of fixtures, this is a make and break week for Rodgers IMO, can we hope for Norwich to hit back from the weekends humiliation tonight?

  121. Gooner In Exile says:

    Just looking at the squad training pics, I forgot Jens was still doing his coaching at the club, so there’s some help for Szczesny.

    Also Beckham in Arsenal training kit just looks right, I’ve long thought Becks would have loved to play for Arsene. He hasn’t got a club at the moment, would anyone consider adding that bit of quality to the side? Albeit on old legs but I have massive respect for Beckhams work ethic….he would set a great example.

  122. oz gunner says:

    @ GiE

    The Norwich players would have gotten a good belting after the Luton game so hopefully they can take it out on the spuds. If they don’t have fire in their bellies after that something is wrong!

    I think Becks is shot, Arsene said he is quite a way off the fitness needed to play. The only benefit he would bring is t-shirt sales. I’d rather stick ryo or gnabry out on the wing over him

  123. Big Raddy says:

    No to Becks. Good man, decent player but do we need the media circus for a couple of cameo sub appearances?

    He is so steeped in Mancdom I do not believe he would play for us despite his son’s Goonerholism

  124. Jeanette Kliger says:

    We will naturally never know, but what I miss is his lobs over the defence (á la Petit – god, how players like him are missed, come back DB10, all is forgiven!). If Diaby can stay fit (IFFFFFFF) and deliver passes like the one to Giroud, then… but we all know about wishing,

  125. evonne says:

    morning all
    GiE – aha, so you are admitting there is but hope left for Szczesny, interesting. I watched Shitty game last night; they would have won by some 5 goals if not for Julio Cesar, what a goalie!! How did he land in QPR??

  126. Manthan says:

    Evovnne Julio cesar is best in epl dis season

  127. kelsey says:

    Morning all

    Only one danger tonight that cheating diving Suarez.Can BFG handle him or wil Kos kick him in the goolies,otherwise I feel confident.

    I still have nightmares of eboue’s madness in the last minute that lead to a penalty.

  128. kelsey says:

    I have aid all season that our pole in goal will be great but he needs a mentor and some real competition for his place at the moment.

  129. evonne says:

    don’t know what to watch tonight….Real v Cathalan cheats or Arsenal v Pool…..what’s a bigger game…hmm..great problem to have

  130. evonne says:

    Kelsey – he has a mentor. His father was an international goalie, not very good at it.

  131. oz gunner says:

    do you have to ask Evonne?

    @ Kelsey

    I have those nightmares too

  132. evonne says:

    hi Oz! Did Tony Adams really say that? And what’s up with your country – what hasn’t burnt is being flooded!!

  133. Big Raddy says:

    kelsey. GIE said Mad Jens was working at AFC. A good man to have in the backroom.

  134. kelsey says:

    Morning raddy

    Well he ain’t doing good enough. i am in an aggressive mood 🙂

  135. LB says:

    I supose the other useful reason to have Jens around is that it gives the German contingent someone to speak to on the staff if they have a concern.


  136. oz gunner says:

    Is you hair not sitting right this morning kelsey? 🙂

    @ Evonne

    Morning Evonne, he sure did. Great man. Also said

    “I will sign every contract Arsenal put in front of me without reading it”

    It’s shocking Evonne, alot of houses ruined, people dead ect. I was supposed to fly out to the desert for 16 days the day after it first started for my thesis. Thankfully my flight was delayed

  137. evonne says:

    sorry Oz, such a beautiful country 😦

  138. Rasp says:

    Morning all …..

    …. New post ….

  139. Joey says:

    Why we didnt keep song and get rid of ramsey and diaby i dont know….

  140. Vetle says:

    I was actually pretty sad when he left. He was my favourite player. Because at the time he was the bravest player in duels. And was for me the only fighter in the team. Now Arsenal are fighting more. And for that the return of mathieu flamini has been a great addition.

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