Arsenal managers – a walk down memory lane

A few days back GIE, our new AA Daddy, asked a question about the records of our previous managers, so I thought I would take him on a trip down memory lane.

Starting with –

Sam Hollis 1894-1897

From a background as a pub landlord he became our first “secretary manager” there is some doubt as to whether he was the “manager” or just a trainer. Prior to his appointment the team was managed by a committee of players and club members.

P118, W53, D18, L47, GF253, GA225, Pts%52.5

# Trophies zero

Thomas Brown Mitchell 1897-1898

Our first “professional manager” he was a Scotsman from the Dumfries area and he took the club from tenth place in the league to fifth before resigning in March 1898.

P30, W16, D5, L9, GF69, GA49, Pts%61.7

# Trophies zero

George Elcoat 1898-1899

From Stockton on Tees, he was our first “Exile”, and he showed a strong preference for Scottish players having eight in his first team.

P34, W18, D5, L11, GF72, GA41, Pts%60.3

# Trophies zero

Harry Bradshaw 1899-1904

Regarded as Arsenal’s first successful manager a clever tactician who guided us to a second place finish in 1903/4 gaining us promotion to the First Division.

P170, W90, D31, L49, GF307, GA156, Pts%62.1

# Trophies zero

Phil Kelso 1904-1908

A hard rugged Scot he managed the newly promoted Woolwich Arsenal to two consecutive FA Cup Semi Finals.

P148, W59, D32, L57, GF215, GA226, Pts%50.7

# Trophies zero

George Morrell 1908-1915

When Sir Henry Norris purchased Highbury it was George Morell who oversaw the club’s move from Plumstead. He holds the unenviable record of being the only Arsenal manager to have experienced relegation with the club.

P266, W95, D65, L106 GF334, GA377, Pts%47.9

# Trophies zero

Leslie Knighton 1919-1925

Under his management we never finished higher than tenth, coming twentieth in 1924/25, He was sacked at the end of the season and replaced by the legendary Herbert Chapman, apparently Sir Henry always regretted sacking Leslie and left him 100 pounds in his will.

P252, W87, D57, L108, GF309, GA360, Pts%45.8

# Trophies zero

Herbert Chapman 1925-1934

He established Arsenal as English footballs dominate force and his football concepts and ideas served as a template for teams and managers all over the globe. He won the first trophy for the club winning the FA Cup in 1930. His 1930/31 team scored an incredible 127 goals – still a club record. He championed innovations such as floodlighting, European competitions and numbered shirts. Tragically he passed away from pneumonia in 1934 aged 55 years. A bronze bust of Chapman stood inside Highbury as a tribute to this outstanding manager.

P336, W157, D84, L95, GF736, GA541, Pts%59.3

# Trophies 3

George Allison 1934-1947

He started off as a journalist and became Arsenal’s programme editor – later in 1927 he commentated on the first FA Cup Final to be broadcast. He won three League titles and the FA Cup before retiring in 1947. In 1937 he had a role, as himself, in the movie The Arsenal Stadium Mystery – one of the lines that he uttered at half time was “It’s one-nil to the Arsenal. That’s the way we like it”

P294, W137, D80, L77, GF552, GA345, Pts%60.2

# Trophies 4

Tom Whittaker 1947-1956

He was the club’s first team trainer under Herbert Chapman and took over the reigns from George Allison in 1947; he won the League in both 1947 and 1953 plus the FA Cup in 1950. During WW11 be became an RAF pilot reaching the level of Squadron Leader, he received the MBE for his distinguished service. Sadly he passed away from a heart attack in 1956, aged 58.

P378, W171, L101, GF688, GA509, Pts%58.6

# Trophies 3

Jack Crayston 1956-1958

A former player with 187 appearances for us his football career was cut short due to a serious knee injury incurred in WW11 while serving in the RAF. In his first season he took us from eleventh in the league to third place before ending up in fifth position.

P84, W37, D15, L32, GF158, GA154, Pts%52.9

# Trophies zero

George Swindon 1958-1962

He was a former Arsenal goalkeeper with 297 first team appearances he was replaced in goal by Welsh international Jack Kelsey in 1952/3. His best finish as a manager was third in his first season.

P168, W67, D39, L62, GF304, GA305, Pts%51.5

# Trophies zero

Billy Wright 1962-1966

The first player to win 100 caps for England and was captain more than 90 times. His Arsenal teams never finished any higher than seventh. He was an inaugural inductee into the English Football Hall of Fame in 2002. Football writer Brian Glanville discussing Billy Wright’s time at Arsenal, wrote: “he had neither the guile nor the authority to make things work and he reacted almost childishly to criticism”

P168, W64, D41, L63, GF307, GA309, Pts%50.3

#Trophies zero

Bertie Mee 1966-1976

Under his tutorship we won our first trophy of any kind in 17 seasons beating Anderlecht and winning the Inter-Cities Cup. The next season we won our first “Double” winning the league at White Heart Lane, on the last day of the season, and seeing Charlie George score the winning goal in the FA Cup final against Liverpool

P420, W181, D115, L124, GF554, GA444. Pts%56.8

# Trophies 3

Terry Neil 1976-1983

Prior to becoming Arsenal’s manager he managed Tottenham for two seasons – nearly getting them relegated in the process. He became the youngest manager in our history and took us to three successive FA Cup Finals – 1978 to 1980 winning only one when we beat Manchester United 3-2 in 1979. In 1979, he came close, but was unsuccessful in pulling off a major transfer coup when he attempted to sign Diego Maradona.

P294, W127, D87, L80, GF404, GA318, Pts%56.1

# Trophies 1

Don Howe 1983-1986

Billy Wright signed him in 1964 and made him club captain; in 1966 he broke his leg playing against Blackpool and never played first team football again. During his time as manager he brought through players the likes of Tony Adams, David Rocastle and Niall Quinn.

P126, W57, D27, L42, GF184, GA156, Pts%52.4

# Trophies zero

George Graham 1986-1995

He played 227 games for Arsenal and was the leading scorer in 1966/67 and 1967/68. As our manager he was renowned for building his teams around defence, perfecting the offside trap along the way. He purchased Ian Wright from Crystal Palace and Ian went on to become our leading goal scorer. George made Arsenal one of the dominant forces in English football but unfortunately in 1995 he was forced to resign after he admitted to receiving an “unsolicited gift”

P364, W167, D108, L89, GF543, GA327, Pts%55.6

# Trophies 6

Bruce Rioch 1995-1996

He replaced George Graham in 1995 and stayed for just one season, he guided Arsenal to a UEFA Cup place securing qualification on the last day of the season. His enduring legacy at Arsenal will be the signing of Denis Bergkamp.

P46, W22, D13, L11, GF66, GA38, Pts%57.3

# Trophies zero

Arsene Wenger 1996 – Present

In his first full season in charge he guided us to our second double. He also guided us to

the UEFA Cup Final in 2000 and the UEFA Champions League Final in 2006, we lost on both occasions. Arsene is the most successful manager in our history having won two doubles and four FA Cups. The club have also qualified for the Champions League in the past sixteen seasons. Under his stewardship the club have signed such players as Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira, Marc Overmars, Nicolas Anelka, Robert Pires, Frederick Ljunberg, Robin Van Persie, and Cesc Fabregas. He is the only manager to have an unbeaten season in the English Premier League going a total of 49 games unbeaten including the entire season of 2002/3.

P620, W356, D158, L106, GF 1174, GA586, Pts%66.0

#Trophies 7

GunnerN5

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189 Responses to Arsenal managers – a walk down memory lane

  1. DidIt says:

    Wow, really interesting GN5. Thank you.
    Was Hollis Landlord of The Royal?

  2. MickyDidIt89 says:

    You say: “Prior to his appointment the team was managed by a committee of players and club members”
    I think we were founded by yet another Scot who was a worker at the factory.

  3. Reddawn says:

    Excellent post N5.
    One extra thing that you could have mentioned, that under Wenger, we have be treated to the most sublime football this club has ever seen.

  4. Michael says:

    Although arsene wenger has been an incredible manager in arsenal team. He still need to save arsenal fans from heart attack by buying new players who will be capable of lifting trophies for arsenal team.

  5. dandan says:

    Great article G5 among other things it proves you are definitely older than me ! I only go back as far as Thomas Mitchell !!!! 🙂 ,

  6. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Thanks GN5.

    The period that fasicnates me, been just before i was born, is the Billy Wright era. What was your perception of him as a manager?,

    Rasp, you are a gentelman. I am genuinely sorry for reacting to that guy, and of course you are right that its best not to rise to the bait. Unfortunitaly i find it very difficult to control myself when faced with such a person. In order not to upset any one else, i will keep a low profile for a while. Well, i will try. hahaha

  7. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Transplant keeping a low profile? A gentle stoop perhaps.

  8. rogart says:

    I have confidence in Wenger,but what happened to our wining style ?we need to see the viera,pires and henries in our game and i believe he can do it.

  9. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I need to off out for a while, but hopefully by the time I return Chas will be here.
    Then I can tell him he is by far the best blogger on this site 🙂

  10. Rasp says:

    TMHT, no need to keep a low profile, I was just defending our stance with Spectrum. What people new to the site don’t realise (those who thought we were being harsh) is that we have been through all this with Spectrum many times before and each time he just bulldozes responses to his points as if we were the enemy.

    The debate with him still continues on the tail end of yesterday’s post.

  11. Rasp says:

    Great post GN5, I wish I’d had time to produce a timeline graphic related to trophies….. but as we all know, trophies aren’t everything 😕

  12. Rasp says:

    GN5 I’ve added a chart at the end of your post – hope that’s ok

  13. Rasp says:

    Oh dear, I’ve just read ACLF and the Guardian article by Amy Lawrence

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/11/phone-call-manchester-united-van-persie

    What on earth was AW thinking? He may believe he is just being honest – but he often chooses the wrong times to be honest and the wrong times to be ‘evasive’.

    How will our players turning out on the pitch on Sunday feel if they have read and understood the article? Arsene, this is not motivation!!

  14. chas says:

    Excellent GN5.

    Have we ever had a manager from London?

    Micky,
    I’m a poor imitation of a blogger. See you tomorrow 🙂

  15. Simon says:

    I think it’s difficult to really say who is/was our best or most successful manager. Football has changed so much in the last twenty years let alone since the days of Herbert Chapman etc. However, it is fair to say that Wenger has had a fantastic career at Arsenal but the last 6 or so since the champions league final won’t be a highlight. Something needs to change at the club to bring back trophies, wether that is the board and their restrictions (if any) or Wenger’s methods.

  16. Red Arse says:

    Rasp,

    If you strip out from the comments all the generalised insults denigrating the intellect of 99.9% of AAers, the overarching message has not changed from the first visit to this site,

    He Hates the Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger;
    He hates the Arsenal Board;
    He hates the Arsenal owner, Kroenke;
    He hates most (all?) of the Arsenal players;
    He hates every Arsenal fan who won’t join him as an adoring acolyte of Gambon.

    There appears to be a recurring theme of hate here, repeated ad nauseam!

    There has never been a statement of what he likes;

    So by omission, it appears he likes/loves nothing about the Arsenal.

    Who am I referring to?

  17. Red Arse says:

    Rasp,

    The basic fact of that ‘phone call has been known since September.

    Ferguson wanted Van Persie, Wenger wanted the best deal, each negotiated what they wanted – Wenger from a weak position.

    You are right, he is far too open and honest when responding to the questions of journalists. I said yesterday that he needed a PR representative at these interviews – but he won’t. 😦

  18. Red Arse says:

    Sorry, GN5, I should have addressed your fascinating and insightful Post first.

    That is the only statistical list I have ever seen showing the key data for each manager. Brilliant! 🙂

  19. Rasp says:

    Morning RA – all true! 😉

  20. Rasp says:

    Redders, he should have a media lockdown, speak only to the players and concentrate ONLY on winning the next game.

    I don’t want to hear him talking about the macro-economics of world football or any other matters unrelated to his single task, win as many games as possible and use the club’s resources to the full to achieve that end.

    As I see it, nobody is doing their job properly. The manager is concentrating on everyone’s job at the expense of his own, the CE is being prevented from doing his job, the Board are failing to control employees to whom it has a duty and the owner is doing nothing.

  21. GunnerN5 says:

    Morning all,

    I appreciate the positive comments.

    I wonder what part will upset Spectrum, or maybe he’s too busy trying to change his sign off and is wondering what rhymes with iron oxide.

    MD89, we were founded by a Scot but in the early years we had no manager, hence the committee, which consisted of mainly the players.

    Dandan, I’m sure that I’m older than you, but if Kelsey took his wig off he would the eldest.

    THMT, Billy Wright holds the record of the most goals against in league play at 1.84 per game. His teams finished 7th, 8th, 13th, and 14th, – Enough said?

    Rasp, adding the chart was a good idea – thanks.

    Chas, No we have never had a manager who was born in London.

    RA, I’ve never seen stats by manager either, mine may be a one off.

  22. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Hi all

    There appears to be a recurring theme of hate here, repeated ad nauseam!

    There has never been a statement of what he likes;

    So by omission, it appears he likes/loves nothing about the Arsenal.

    Who am I referring to?

    Me ?

  23. chas says:

    Baaaa.

  24. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas,
    Found you. Thank you, thank you. See you in the Tavern, unless I can buy you lunch next door?

  25. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rasp
    The real problem with what Arsene says is that it is the truth.
    Did he honestly say: “Diaby will be like a new signing” or is that media talk?

  26. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas
    Am I sitting with one of your gang, a miserable git, or a stunning redhead with no morals?

  27. chas says:

    Micky,
    Liquid lunch for me, thanks anyway.
    Besides, cat A games are expensive enough as it is.

  28. Rasp says:

    I don’t know if he has said Diaby is like a new signing (yet) Micky but he has said “But what is painful is to see United so far in front of us. We knew when we sold him to United that would be the case” … I really don’t know what to make of that?

    Was AW forced to sell RvP to manu by the Board/IG? or was it that the economist in him is stronger than his ambition for Arsenal football. I find it hard to have any sympathy with him over this.

  29. GunnerN5 says:

    MD89, I think it might be Spectrum, enjoy the game.

  30. chas says:

    Micky,
    At the moment you’re sitting with my nephew (he is a bit of a miserable git sometimes, though). The stunning redhead was unavailable for the game (she’s been talking to Evonne about your love of inswinging deliveries at corners).

  31. Jabu says:

    So Bergkamp was not brought by Wenger

  32. SPECTRUM says:

    Hi fellas ( and ladies ). Yes mickyDidIt1989, he DID say it. http://www.london24.com/sport/arsenal/wenger_anticipates_return_of_diaby_will_be_like_new_signing_1_1790503

    Who’d have thought, eh ? Well I did, for one. I “magically” predicted it yesterday, if you recall. What amazing powers of prophecy I have ! ( wink ). But you sound surprised. Wenger has lost the plot so much, that he’s become as predictable as his “tactics” and team line up. The man is mentally in another world. His public statements become ever more eccentric and out of touch.

    I know you don’t like it, but this is very informative ; http://le-grove.co.uk/2013/01/12/arsene-press-conference-predictable-and-painful-the-demise-of-a-great-manager/

    ” In Arsene we rust.”

  33. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas
    Ah the inswinger. Word travels! I said I’d buy you a kebab (Ant as well if he wants. I am VERY greatful)
    Just plotting my route. Mmm, where to park near M25, direct overland into Finsbury Park, ready for a getaway towards the M40.
    rASP? Hadley Wood?

  34. chas says:

    Jabu,

    According to Richie, an esteemed blogger of the this site, it was David Dein who bought Dennis Bergkamp on the nod of Wenger.

    Richie used to play Subbuteo in his nan’s living room with Peter Storey, John Radford and Charlie George, so his is a source with incredible pedigree.

  35. chas says:

    We use Cockfosters, Micky.
    Hadley Wood looks interesting. Can you use your Oyster?

  36. GunnerN5 says:

    Chas,

    Rioch signed Denis in June 1995 and Arsene did not start with Arsenal until over a year later in September 1996.

    It may well be that Dien got some advice from Arsene but he was signed on Rioch’s shift. I’m sure that football people all seek advice prior to committing to a player but the credit for the signing always goes to the manager.

  37. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas
    Oyster? I thought they were London Transport things. Why would you have one?

  38. GunnerN5 says:

    QPR 0 Spurs 0

  39. VCC says:

    Well played QPR…that helps us out as long as we can capitalise tomorrow. COYG

  40. Instead of going to Hadley Wood you could come to Crews Hill and go with me. I have a spare Oyster 🙂

  41. Big Raddy says:

    Gn5. Great Stuff. It is always good to read our history.

    The outstanding fact is how Many games AW has managed. 200 more than any other chap

  42. GunnerN5 says:

    BR,

    He has won 57.4% and lost only 17.1% of league games played – both stats are the best of any manager – guess we should get rid of him?

  43. VCC says:

    Gn5……nice read. ….Did not remember that Terry Neill managed us for seven years.

  44. GunnerN5 says:

    That’s right VCC and he won one trophy – off with his head!

  45. VCC says:

    Gn5….he was a good servant as a player but not too impressive as a manager.

    Makes you realise how good/successful Bertie was, considering he was a physio at first.

  46. ArsenalForever says:

    Morning all,

    Fascinating stuff GunnerN5, I always thought that George Graham had been a great steward for the club and it was interesting to reflect on his time (as that was the period I started supporting Arsenal), and this article was a nice reminder of the preceding years before his successful reign. I do think he is not given enough credit for what he did partly due to the phenomenal success we had under the first half of AW’s time.

    Also, thought I’d weigh in with the debate on the DM position briefly – for me, I felt that K Toure was the perfect replacement for Vieira. I’d always hoped that he could have been partnered with Gilberto (or made part of a 3-man midfield with Fabregas and Gilberto), and then we could have got another top quality defender to replace him at CB. I would still love us to buy him back and play there.

  47. ArsenalForever says:

    Sorry, that should have been Afternoon all! 🙂

  48. GoonerB says:

    Potters Bar is better than Hadley Wood Micky. On the same line but you can pick up the fast train, first stop Finsbury Park.

    I ran out of time to comment later yesterday and this morning but had to read in fascination the tetchy debate between sputum and other AA’ers. There was also some input from a no fee chap who sounded very much like Glic. Has he got a spooky Doppelganger out there?

    Rasp, I am with you on what Wenger said about RVP. Really poor timing and I think it shows a lack of understanding as to the fans feelings about losing him to Utd. I obviously know he didn’t mean it this way, but it is almost like he is rubbing salt into the wounds of his own clubs fans. I thought the club were meant to monitor the feelings of the fans. If they did they would know that talking about the RVP thing should be off limits even if it is only telling the truth. That was one of two things I didn’t want to hear this weekend. The other would be some money grabbing, ungrateful French twot that completely disrespected Arsenal football club and Arsene Wenger, talking nauseatingly about having the greatest of respect and gratitude for Arsene, and how he considers him a father figure. Lets just hope that doesn’t happen…..

    Really interesting and well researched post GN5. It puts Arsene’s achievements into perspective. When it comes to Arsene I am in the sitting on the fence brigade. I am no longer sure he is the right man, but at the same time still feel he could turn things around. There is one thing that keeps me feeling to a degree pro Wenger. Everyone talks about this famous seven years without a trophy. I tend to discount 5 of those years because I don’t think anyone can deny that Arsene was working with extremely limited resources during that period, and in my mind it is unreasonable to have expected any manager to have won a major trophy under those circumstances. In fact I think he did brilliantly in getting us to 3 cup finals in that period and having us actually challenging for the title on 1 or 2 occasions. I know we fell slightly short but he still got us into those positions, when with the financial constraints he was under he probably had no right to have kept us that competitive. I am not sure any other manager could have kept us that competitive under those circumstances so for me I only really look at the last 1-2 years as being the period on which I am judging whether he is still the man for us. I am not sure that anyone has really looked at it like that before but it is just how I feel about it. I think lumping the last 7 years together to paint a picture of failure is unreasonable. There are some aspects that I am concerned about that I think could be done differently and are hindering us, but for me it is still slightly too soon to make a final judgement.

    Off for a kids party now so will check back later. Oh and well done QPR.

  49. GunnerN5 says:

    VCC,

    In reading up on Bertie Mee he said that he was surprised to be asked to manage Arsenal and they agreed that he could return to be physio if it didn’t work out in the first twelve months. He also added Dave Sexton and Don Howe as his assistants as he was worried about his own technical knowledge.
    Don Howe left after we won the double in 1970/71 and Mee won nothing after that – makes one wonder?

  50. evonne says:

    Micky – my driveway could be yours tomorrow. 10mins from M25 and 20mins to Fisbury Park

  51. VCC says:

    GN5……Bertie Mee certainly had great help from Don Howe. He was a perfect number two at the time.

    Though when Bertie Mee stepped down Don Howe was left wanting.

    Just shows you about being either a number one or number two. They worked well together but Don Howe was a poor lone Manager.

    Makes me remember duos in football. Clough and Taylor. They were brilliant together but Taylor was poor on his own.

    On that subject I think its time for Arsene to nurture a number two. Take some one under his wing and show him the ropes as to speak. Not sure who that could be but Arsene will choose when the time is right I feel.

  52. GunnerN5 says:

    GB,

    Yep there was a lot of research involved – but it was really enjoyable digging into our past and I discovered many interesting facts – far too many to put into the post.

    I like your balanced thinking – especially when compared to some of the more hysterical outbursts/knee jerks that we are forced to read.

    I agree that AW’s tenure should not be considered as one period of 16 years but should be segmented. I may take that on as another research project for a future post.

  53. GunnerN5 says:

    VCC,

    Maybe he’s already made the choice in Steve Bould?

  54. VCC says:

    Gn5.

    There was whispering a couple of years ago that Remi Garde was his preferred choice to take over. Did you read that ?

  55. GunnerN5 says:

    VCC,

    I read that he was considered to replace Dien but I can’t recollect talk about him becoming manager – then again my memory ain’t what it used to be.

  56. VCC says:

    My memory Is shot to pieces too Gn5.

    Although we got a handle of 1-0 to the Arsenal under GG, I did like him and thought he was Arsenal through and through. Shame about being caught, as I’m sure many other Managers/People in high places, have done just the same. He unfortunately got sussed.

  57. vp says:

    Thanks for a very informative post. I’m in my late twenties and most of my experiences as a fan span through the premier league years. I was too young to appreciate the Mickey Thomas goal, but can still remember the latter part to George Graham’s reign and our brilliant cup double over Sheffield Wednesday.

    Its a much needed reminder that the club have seen ‘worser days’ which i think is important for the younger generation to take into consideration when weighting their expectations. However, with this being said, Wenger has been playing this card for far too long now and people are becoming immune to his attempts to make them feel ungrateful. I have lost count of the amount of times that he’s alluded to the fact that ”we should be use to not winning trophies” -RASP is right, he needs to learn to keep it buttoned sometimes and learn to accept criticism.

  58. GunnerN5 says:

    VCC,

    My problem with GG was not the fact that he took backhanders but that he got those by purchasing players that we did not need and in some cases who did not play.

  59. ArsenalForever says:

    I’ve been reading through the blogs for the past few days as well as the associated comments. Whilst I now have a better understanding of the vitriol directed at Spectrum, it still does not justify it. Also, I would like to commend Charybdis and SpanishGooner for speaking out on the juvenile behaviour of some of the regulars here yesterday. I have to say, I’ve been coming to this site for a while now (although I haven’t been a regular) and it has always seemed to me to be the one place for people to express opinions on Arsenal freely with receiving abuse. Not anymore. Since the Swansea game (or perhaps even earlier), where fellow bloggers maliciously exchanged comments/posts and have since left, I have noticed that this site has become more and more like the other sites that some regulars here apparently abhor or stay away from due to the negativity. For me personally, the nadir has been this whole affair with Spectrum over the past couple of days. Like SpanishGooner mentioned yesterday, I did not agree with everything Spectrum said – for one, I agree with someone who posted in response that the club shouldn’t be forced to lay out their strategic plans just to appease us fans. They are entitled to keep their strategies, procedures and policies in-house. But for a site like AA that prides itself on fair debate, the way in which some regulars ganged up on Spectrum over the past couple of days has been appalling. Maybe I missed this, but I don’t recall reading any of his initial comments and thinking “that was rude”, but some of the responses to his posts were completely out of order, and the abuse was uncalled for. I think the first response was for him to call some 0845 number, and later someone posted “…but I know that he is more than capable of knocking your block off, so be careful” I’m sorry, but what is that about?! Do people really think they are defending the honour of Arsene Wenger or Arsenal FC by behaving like this? Firstly, there is more to life than Arsenal FC. Secondly, the club is more than capable of defending itself, and more to the point, the club is not affected by any of the opinions expressed here. I won’t name any names, but some people really need to take a long hard look at themselves and take a leaf out of GoonerB’s book – i.e. try to reason, not retaliate with such bile (@GoonerB – I salute you for your post at 4:27 pm on Thursday).
    Let me say this, I have always admired the regulars on this site for the ability to provide a positive outlet in what is often a tide of vitriol out there. Don’t get me wrong, I do understand the desire to respond to criticism of the club – just ask any of my Man Utd supporting mates! I have even worked with colleagues who professed to be gooners but never had anything positive to say about the club or the manager. It was depressing. I switched off after a while cos it did my head in. The turning points for me came first when AW reportedly refused to buy Alonso “because it would kill Denilson”, and then with the Lge Cup defeat to Birmingham and our subsequent collapse. I remember being so depressed after that game as I was desperate for the club to win something and use that as a springboard to bounce back and hit the critics for six. I remember my wife told me off afterwards for ruining the party we were in with my sullen mood – I’d actually forgotten we were at a party! After that, I vowed never to let Arsenal’s fate rule my emotions in that way again. I still love Arsenal, but not to the extent that I use it as a reason to abuse others because I let my emotions run high. For me, the last couple of days have shown the opposite extreme to what you’d expect to find on sites such as LG, ANR, etc. Which is not a good thing, btw! If we can all agree that Arsenal is/was our common passion, then perhaps we could conclude (in general) that the polarisation of the fans stems primarily from a perception of the way in which the club is run. Of course, this is oversimplifying matters, but work with me on this. Whatever stand we take on this debate, people have to understand that others are entitled to express their opinion even if it runs contrary to our own views. If someone is perceived to be a troll, rather than hurl abuse and/or provocative responses, why not simply ignore them instead (as GM did yesterday)?

    One final point, and I have both commented on this and heard it expressed before (To be fair, this seems to be everywhere now)… There seems to be an underlying sense of elitism where people think that they are “true” supporters and others are not. I was shocked to find one poster on here recently mocking the Man City fans who refused to pay for their allocation of the away tickets for Sunday. The argument was that City pay inflated prices for players so they are the ones driving the increase indirectly. Whilst I do have some sympathy with the view of City’s ludicrous spending, I do not therefore think that the Man City fans should be punished as a result. In fact, the premier league have taken the unusual step of seeking to meet up to do something about it! What they are doing is taking a stand against the excessive prices in football that could benefit fans of every club, so how people can scorn them is beyond me. Of course, some people can afford the tickets so that’s ok with them, and they don’t think the prices are expensive, but I have seen a few occasions on here where posters mentioned our prices being too high and subsequently been labelled as moaning, or bringing up “that old chestnut”. That is ridiculous IMO. For those who have been long standing season ticket holders going to every home and away game come rain or shine, I salute you. You are true supporters that the club is lucky to have. But you do not have the right to look down on those of us that have not been or are not in as privileged a position as yourselves. My parents could not afford to take me to games growing up, but I was fortunate to get the odd ticket to a game here or there. As someone who grew up in Islington, that meant the world to me. I’ve supported Arsenal since 1987, but the first game I actually went to was Arsenal vs Auxerre in the Cup Winners Cup QF back in 1994. I was 13, and most of my mates went to games regularly. I was not able to afford a season ticket until a few years ago, when a mate allowed me to share with him, so we alternated going to matches all season. Before that, I had watched virtually every live Arsenal match on TV, and where that was not available, I always tuned in on radio. I had to give up my season ticket, with much regret, the following season as I was saving for a wedding, and decided to prioritise that. The point is, I do not consider myself any less of a supporter than the fans who have been to all the matches in that same period time. There are Arsenal fans around the globe who, for whatever reason, cannot make it to the games either due to affordability, or even accessibility. The only way for some of them to air their views or grievances with other fans may be via the internet. We have no right to think that we are better or truer supporters than they are just because we are/have been season ticket holders or we don’t agree with their opinions. Even if they are just watching on the TV, they are still entitled to their opinions and should not be shot down or derided.
    A sense of perspective is needed, I have become so disillusioned with all this in-fighting everywhere I look. People need to get a sense of perspective. These days, I get more satisfaction from working in soup kitchens or mentoring kids in schools by helping them to read. Spend time listening to a homeless person and you quickly get a sense of perspective that we are fortunate to be able to support a club like Arsenal week in week out. There is no need for all of this bickering. Life is too short. Earlier, I raised a point that K Toure would make a great DM for us, not everyone will agree – so what?
    Anyway, rant over. As I said, I was sorely disappointed with the antics yesterday and as a result I have decided that I won’t be posting on or following this blog anymore after today. I really hope you guys return to what you are best at (healthy debate) and refrain from alienating occasional posters in future. It is a real shame for me to be saying this and I hope 2013 turns out to be the year where we can all hang out at the town hall in May/June sometime. As for me, I am off to mourn the ruins of the last bastion of reasoned Arsenal debate 🙂

  60. GunnerN5 says:

    VP,

    I am on the other side of the fence with Arsene and believe that he must regret some of the things that he has said but he speaks from the heart and it’s not always what we want to hear. But the paraphrasing of his comments is very low class, he is Arsenal through and through and I would rather have Arsene Wenger in charge of Arsenal than any other manager in the UK.

  61. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Hi
    No one is perfect haven’t we all done a dodgy deal some time in our lives.
    I have and I expect a few others have to.
    George Graham was my favourite and he had the best Back 5 Ever.

    Safe hands seaman
    Dixon of dock green
    Steve bald
    And winterburn
    And big TA as captain we need a few more like them.

    1-0 to the Arsenal I can remember we’re I was when Michael Thomas scored the winner at Anfield.

  62. Gus says:

    Spectrum, I personaly believe you’ve been treated very harshly on this site. Your opinion is very, very different to mine, but that does not mean that it is any less valid. I think your comments and opinion can add a lot to this site and I welcome them. I can debate with you and learn from you! Freedom of expression is dear to me!

    Having said this, its also a good idea to listen to your fellow AAers. We want to be respectful to each other on this site, we don’t want to lecture each other or force our opinion on each other. If we can do this we can begin to repair the divided and polarized support base and get on with loving, supporting and debating about the team we all adore!

    So, listen to your fellow bloggers, be respectful and its great to have you on board!

  63. ces1ne says:

    Thank the Lord Dennis….AA is back!!! It was weird how I came on here yesterday/this morning & the layout/articles were what I usually see, but parts of the comment section resembled something straight out of that site I don’t like to mention (LG)….thanks to a certain Rectum, sorry, Spectrum 😉 & his oh so insightful posts (As others have stated, it’s NOT what you’re saying, it’s the way you choose to say it) Seems like normal service has been resumed & all is well in the AA world.

  64. LB says:

    ArsenalForever and Gus

    What you both do not realise is the history of Spectrum on this site and others, if you did you would have a better understanding of why he is treated in the way he is.

  65. Gus says:

    ArsenalForever, I didn’t read your comment until after posting mine. Good fair comment.

    AA regulars, I have great admiration for you guys and girls. But let’s make this a welcoming environment, true to AA values.

  66. Gus says:

    Ok LB, I didn’t realise that, I was only taking what I saw at face value.

    If he is indeed a notorious troll, I’m interests in what makes a person like that tick.

    Why would someone be that determinedly embittered?

    I hope things can go back to normal here because I love this site

  67. GunnerN5 says:

    Interesting diversion ArsenalForever.

    I’ve always maintained that there is a clique on AA and that some unfortunate posters get ganged up on – myself included. I’ve written over 20 headline posts but still feel like an “outsider”
    Feeling the way that I do I simply make my views known regardless of the incoming flak from some regulars, or being ignored by others.

    However I do not support your view on Spectrum, he has been asked many times to respect the views of most on the site and stop using his annoying sign off – but he refuses to do so – if he did he would get far more respect himself and he could then openly debate.

  68. LB says:

    Gus

    It seems to me that all is normal, is there another site that tolerates the two extreme views that now exist amongst Arsenal supporters? I don’t have a problem with Spectrum’s views but I do have a problem with any Arsenal “supporter” who can only see bad in the club.

    I have just read back and chuckled as I realised that being supportive of our manager is now regarded as an extreme view.

  69. ArsenalForever says:

    LB, I take your point, but it is discouraging for occasional posters to witness that, and people who are not familiar with the history will feel alienated. Having said that, as at today I have seen a few posters trying to reason with Spectrum, and that was much better to see. I appreciate the guy may be trolling, but why cant people just ignore him?

    @GunnerN5, I am surprised at that, but I don’t think you should feel like an outsider. Speaking as a casual observer, I have seen nothing but respectful, well-presented posts from you that have been great to read.

  70. GunnerN5 says:

    Arsenal Forever,

    Don’t give up on AA regardless of my personal views it is the best I’ve participated in since the inception of the Internet. I simply ignore what I find upsetting – and by the way I found Spectrum very upsetting I tried to ignore him but I could not resist throwing in a couple of zingers.

  71. LB says:

    ArsenalForever

    Some people are able to ignore a stray cat coming into their living room and shitting on their carpet, other people feel the need to shoo it away.

  72. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Hi
    I’m think I’m the newest regular here.
    I feel a warm welcome from u all.
    I think ur are all good people and we all want the same thing at the end of the day.

    If u see a blog and it upsets u and I’ve seen a few on on here may I say .

    Just ignore it its only a font,
    Chill out life’s to short to argue,come on please.
    Let’s go beat Man Shitty the results went in our favour today .
    Much love
    Sheep Hagger™

  73. ces1ne says:

    That last AW quote was definitaly what stood out for me also, as the rest of it is pretty self-explanatory. While I do think the “economist” might get the better of him at times(sometimes necessary & other times not so much), I don’t think this was the case, if only bc of the “I will tell you the rest another day” quote. Now I know it could just be a(nother) meaningless statement, that we are reading too much into, but I really do think that we will only know the “real/juicy” details of this & other issues when/if AW pens that book after he steps down 1 day. (Loving the WordPress app on iOS, so much easier to comment than on-site…definitaly recommend giving it a shot if anyone has a smartphone/tablet, especially at the low price of free)

  74. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    I’m using an I pad cese what are u using pal .

  75. VCC says:

    sheep 5:23…you naughty boy 😉

    Yes GG was one of my favourites too.

  76. GunnerN5 says:

    cesine,

    Yes I’m pro Wenger – that goes without saying but I seethe at the inane interpretations that are made every time he has something to say – people say they want transparency but when he speaks they say it’s a load of BS – the man simply cannot win.

  77. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    I sold some sheep once and avoided the Vat on in that’s all Vcc.
    I’m no black sheep I’m human

  78. Big Raddy says:

    Arsenal Forever 5.23. That is a very good comment. LB gives the history behind the response to Spectrum and I have pleaded with him for restraint. In future I will take Gn5’s wise advice and ignore him.

    The MC tickets. I made the point that MC returned their tickets without putting them on general sale, plus there was a huge slice of hypocrisy in the bleating about price – they charge away fans almost as much, but once again it ties into the media lie about our ticket prices.

    As to your decision not to read the blog: We are friends on here, we spend time with each other almost every day of the year – sometimes things are said which cause offense. Some have opinions which I strongly disagree with and occasionally words are written which are better left unstated. Doesn’t stop us being mates does it?

  79. Big Raddy says:

    Sheep. I find my ipad almost impossible to write on. Did you use it for your fine post the other day?

    Oh and can you thank the fine Swansea team for taking a couple of points from Everton today?

  80. ArsenalForever says:

    LB, there is a difference between shooing trollers away, and hurling abuse or patronising them as seen yesterday. What I’m saying is if people don’t like someone’s comments and cant be reasonable in their reply then they should ignore it.

  81. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Br
    Yes I only use this I pad as my lap top is so slow and this is super quick,
    My laptop takes 10 mins to get to start up I only use it to stream games.

    Arse for ever.
    I agree it’s only a font having a go ignore it .

  82. Rasp says:

    I’m shocked. We took a risk when we set up this site, we allowed bloggers to come straight on without first going into moderation as was the case with all the major discussion blog sites at the time. Now every site has an open door policy.

    In the last 3 years we’ve had to deal with any number of abusive comments. Our reaction has never been to ‘bin’ but to try to get the blogger to lay out his points in a way we can respond in the hope they will be able to debate with us in the future on a friendly basis. We’ve won some and we’ve lost some – but we’ve always tried. We have only ever banned bloggers who are continually abusive or racist etc and they probably number less than 20.

    Spectrum has never been banned. He is welcome on the site and continues to to place comments, while others who feel umbrage on his behalf are apparently so affronted that they wish to ‘resign’.

    I think a reality check is in order. We do not moderate the site 24/7. We rely on the common sense of bloggers old and new to maintain a standard that keeps the site open and welcome to all shades of opinion.

    Sometimes we’re let down …. what are we supposed to do?

  83. ArsenalForever says:

    BR, thanks for your post – fair comment mate. I have to state I do not have any problem with anyone on here, and what you and your mates been doing on this site is nothing short of marvellous. I do love this site, and this is the only place I have ever written comments on because of the standards that I perceived this site to stand for.

    I perhaps spoke a bit rashly before, but I really do not want to stay on the site if it drops the high standards that it has maintained in the time I have been following. You guys are mates so as soon as you meet face to face you forget the banter from the blog, but I am a casual blogger and I wouldn’t want to find myself being insulted for expressing a different opinion to those of the majority.

    Anyway, keep up the positivity – as SH says, COYGs! 🙂

  84. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Rasp u da boss
    I got a good welcome here and enjoy the banter here.
    I’ve had no abuse yet apart from a few jacks .
    Much love
    Sheep™
    Ps The jacks are happy with a draw at Everton they did us a favour

  85. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp.. As usual you say it so much better 🙂

  86. ces1ne says:

    Completely agree GN5…..damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t

  87. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Brb later we are watching a film it’s called the Iron Lady.
    I thought it was about peachesgonner but it not.

    Lol
    Sheep Hagger

  88. Big Raddy says:

    Arsenal forever. You may be casual but I was including you in the mates. You are one of those who maintain the high standard.

    BTW back to football. The recent results have shown there are few easy games in the PL. Who would have thought that QPR would beat Chavs and draw with Spurs, or Swansea at Everton etc etc

  89. Big Raddy says:

    Right. Been cooking a roast chicken and it is time to get stuck in…..

    A domani

  90. ArsenalForever says:

    Rasp, I did not see your comment before I entered my last post. I did not know that and I appreciate your dilemma. Now you have painted the reality, I sympathise with you guys even more and I’m sorry if I came across as having a go at you all. I was only commenting on what I saw as a form of bullying. If Spectrum had started off insulting people, I would have said the same to him. I just think people need to respect others opinions.

  91. ArsenalForever says:

    Cheers BR, much appreciated – yeah back to footie indeed! 🙂

  92. GunnerN5 says:

    It’s all very simple really – all we have to do is win the last 18 games and we will have the most points in our PL history.

  93. RockyLives says:

    Thanks for another fascinating stat-based Post Gn5.

    Interesting to see that by one reading of the figures, Gorgeous George can be considered our more successful manager ever.

  94. Rasp says:

    Hi ArsenalForever, no problem, I’m glad we’ve been able to clear the air. As Raddy says, you are a great blogger and we value your presence on the site.

    As regards the ‘respect’ issue, I agree but we cannot jump in every time someone oversteps the line as that would appear dictatorial – and any way, we simply don’t have the time 😛

  95. vp says:

    Gunner N5 6:31 pm

    Wenger embraces the role of part time director by playing an active and voluntary part in board agenda. He brings these criticisms upon himself.It is the chairman’s job to promote and defend matters concerning strategy and transparency. He has neither the necessary time or relevant skills to serve the club in this capacity and should stick to what he’s best at, and that’s managing the team.

  96. evonne says:

    GN5 – that cannot be right, only 19 managers and just 27 trophies? Oh dear, if I was asked how many managers and how many trophies we had my answer would be about 40 managers and at least 100 trophies 🙂 It feels like it anyway 🙂

    Good news – a very black cat crossed my path today, that has always been good news for me! I have a feeling we will win tomorrow.

    Did you guys know that Sergio Aguerro’s partner is Madonna’s daughter? Very useful info, no?

  97. evonne says:

    I only watched the end of the Spurs game and it seemed to me that all Arry did was stopping the monkey from playing. Simples.

    Stoke got annihilated, good! Long overdue.

  98. RockyLives says:

    The debate about this Blog site is making me a bit sad.

    Some of the critics don’t seem to realise that it is run by volunteers who gain no financial benefit and who have real lives to lead outside of Blogland, which means they can’t police it 24/7.

    It feels as if the site has been hijacked for several days by an on-going argument with one blogger and then about that blogger. I have no interest in participating.

    However, it’s wrong to blame the people who run the site. They have not banned the blogger.

    If others have made unfriendly comments towards him, critics should take issue with them, not with the site.

    I have been blogging here for a couple of years. I don’t find it cliquey unless you consider that any group of people who talk together regularly are a clique, in which case every Blog in every walk of life has a clique.

    Arsenal Forever
    I think you misunderstood BR when he referred to a group of mates. He meant mates who have come to know each other through this blog – not “pub mates” who had known each other for years and all decided to meet up online as well.

    In fact quite the reverse is true. Any regulars who have met up with each other in person have generally only done so AFTER becoming mates on the blog first.

    I knew absolutely no-one on AA when I started commenting and then Posting here, but I am lucky enough to have met a handful in person since. But most of the bloggers here with whom I am in daily conversation are people whom I could pass in the street without ever knowing that they were a “mate.”

  99. RockyLives says:

    Speaking of sad, those AW quotes about knowing that selling BSR to ManUre would mean they would be streets ahead of us this year are really quite shocking.

    Fergie even mentioned in his quotes that he knew Juve had made a “massive” offer to BSR. We could have insisted on selling him to the Italians. Instead we handed him to a rival in, it seems, the full knowledge that it would mean we could not possibly compete with them.

    Unless Arsene has expressed himself badly, it seems the first genuine admission by him or anyone else at the club that we no longer have ambitions to win the title (or at least, did not have that ambition for the current season).

  100. GunnerN5 says:

    Rocky,

    Yep one stat belongs to Greedy George here are some others.

    All figures are per game averages
    GG first, AW second.

    GF 1.49 – 1.94
    GA – .90 – .95
    Position 5.1 – 2.6
    % games won 45.9 – 57.2
    % games lost 24.5 – 17.1
    % points won 55.6 – 66.0
    Top 4 finishes 6 – 16
    Lowest position 12th – 4th.

  101. RockyLives says:

    Thanks Gn5
    I don’t really think GG has been a better manager for us than AW. The way his team was looking in the last year or two before he was fired, I am sure his years-to-trophies figure would have dropped considerably if he had stayed on longer.

  102. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    They getting divorced she gone home
    I’ve inside info so he may wont to go if she’s does,
    Let her go .
    Did you guys know that Sergio Aguerro’s partner is Madonna’s daughter? Very useful info, no?
    No

  103. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    I love George he was the best one in Wham

  104. GunnerN5 says:

    Rocky,

    Your post of 7:33 is exactly what I mean about peoples interpretations of what AW – MAY or MAY NOT have said none of us were privy to the actual conversations yet comments are made assuming that the journalist spoke the gospel – fat chance if you ask me.

  105. RockyLives says:

    Gn5
    Amy Lawrence is a decent journalist. I don’t believe she has misquoted AW. Whether he expressed himself properly is another matter.

  106. evonne says:

    Sorry Sheep (I can’t believe i am apologising to an animal), but I am entitled to an opinion. This is a democratic site and everybody has a right to a view and as long as it is expressed in non offensive way is valid. I am shocked that you found it necessary to upset me like that. Well, it takes all sorts I suppose

  107. evonne says:

    Rocky @ 7:33 – where did you get those quotes from? Did AW REALLY say that???

  108. What time is everyone getting to the Tavern tomorrow?

  109. chas says:

    “I don’t need anyone to tell me how good he is,” stated Wenger when asked about Van Persie’s impact at United. “We knew when we sold him to United that that would be the case. He is one of the best strikers in the world, so you know he will score goals for them. He scored 30 for us last year.
    “At almost 30 he is at the peak of his game. Now he uses all his qualities in a calm and intelligent. He has a high level of confidence in his qualities. He is more patient than he was five or six years ago. He stays up front, and you won’t see him for maybe 20 minutes. Before he used to come back into midfield, but he uses his killer instinct much better now.
    “What is painful is to see Manchester United so far in front of us.”

    The above transcript of what Wenger said is from ESPN.
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/187861.html

    Whilst extremely worrying, I find it extremely annoying that a professed Arsenal fan in Amy Lawrence has wilfully changed the order of the sentences around so it looks as though Wenger said,
    “What is painful is to see Manchester United so far in front of us.”
    followed by
    “We knew when we sold him to United that that would be the case”.

    The last sentence clearly refers to the fact that Wenger knew we were selling a good player, not as is implied, that he knew they would be so far in front of us.

  110. RockyLives says:

    Scroll up evonne – someone (Rasp?) posted a link to Amy Lawrence’s story. Arseblog also talks about those quotes today as well.

  111. evonne says:

    thank you darling, that’s better, phew…..

  112. That’s how all the negative people are using the quotes to beat him with now.

  113. chas says:

    2 o’clock if not before, GM.
    The manc v dippers game starts at 1.30pm so should provide some pre-match entertainment.

  114. LB says:

    So the choice is this:

    Wenger could have either been misunderstood or he feels and accepts that the club no longer has ambitions of winning the title.

    Wow, this is a toughie, which one should I believe?

    Oh for goodness sake.

  115. I’m looking forward to seeing you there chas. Are you going on Wednesday?

  116. LB says:

    Well done Chas.

    In the words of a blogger on another site from days gone by:

    You are a star.

  117. RockyLives says:

    Wow Chas
    I take it back about Amy Lawrence.
    That’s really bad.
    Gn5 – you were right 🙂

  118. chas says:

    I’ll be there, GM.
    Have you got a ticket for that, too?

  119. LB says:

    The only thing missing from the end from of that Amy Lawrence article are the words.

    “In Arsene we rust”

  120. chas says:

    Three Wednesdays in a row.
    What lucky people we are!

  121. LB says:

    If that is “supporting” Arsenal I would like to know what she writes about the competition.

  122. GunnerN5 says:

    Rocky,

    That makes a change I usually jump in with two feet to find that I’ve landed on quick sand – thankfully this time around I hit solid ground – phew!!

  123. I’ve got a ticket for Wednesday cha. I’m still debating the Liverpool game. Lowest I could get when I looked was £82

  124. VeraCruz says:

    Great article, loved it, learned a lot today. I agree with someone who said that he doesn’t count the whole 7 seven barren years to judge Wenger and I agree, the difference is I’ ‘ve only started counting from the start of this season, sure it is frustrating at times but I can also appreciate all the work that’s been done. I believe the only real miscalculation would have been the current economic landscape the football world has dived into, 7 years ago no one could have predicted the transfer fees being this high and the wages that go with them and this is made even harder when there are clubs that can spend more than what they could afford in 3 seasons in only one.
    Maybe because I started to support arsenal recently (2006) it is easier for me to wait for the glory to come, or maybe I just lack ambition ( been told this by a tottenham fan, can you believe the audacity?) but despite some difference of opinion I have with how the club was/is run I honestly believe that given the circumstances what could have been done right was done right.
    It is all good and well to sack the manager but given who’s realistically likely to be made or accept to be made manager, who would you choose to put there that is a better choice than our current one?

  125. RockyLives says:

    My turn in the quick sand this time Gn5 🙂

  126. VeraCruz says:

    Oh, just want to say that I really love and enjoy this blog, it is my favorite arsenal blog, been following since April last year only posted once I believe, felt like giving it another try today. I never miss a new post, read them all

  127. RockyLives says:

    I’m going to be at the Swans replay. Quick in-and-out trip to London.

  128. RockyLives says:

    Great stuff VeraCruz
    Welcome words at the moment!

  129. RockyLives says:

    By the way VeraCruz, you never need to worry about anything that a Spud fan says to you. Fifty+ years of bitterness and all that…

  130. evonne says:

    sheep – i was only pulling your chops 🙂 but what is interesting is that he is married to Maradonna’s not Madonna’s daughter, ha ha ha, that’s more like it

    Guess what guys, Swansea held Everton to a goalless draw!! I am really beginning to hate the Swans and their ever-so-cool manager

  131. evonne says:

    VeraCruz – whom did you support before 2006?

  132. VeraCruz says:

    Before 2006 I only supported benfica but once I came to London (I already had seen other teams play, and lot of people I know are all man u, chelsea or liverpool, but as soon as I saw arsenal I knew straight away that, they were the team for me, the way they played in my eyes was like poetry in motion, felt my heart beating fast, blood running through my veins, fell in love, never looked back since

  133. i like Laudrup evonne. A possible Wenger successor

  134. GoonerB says:

    Vera Cruz @8.58. What a great and passionate response. This site has many bloggers that have supported Arsenal for decades but the fact that you were looking for an English club to support, in an era when sugar daddy clubs were trying to buy their way to success you chose the mighty gunners makes you as true a fan as any longer standing ones. You must post more often.

  135. Big Raddy says:

    VeraCruz. Welcome. We look forward to more posts.

    Do you think we can win tomorrow?

    GM. I like Laudrup too. Intelligent, speaks loads of languages, plays attacking, passing football and should he succeed AW every AFC game will be shown on Danish TV (we get Swansea atm).

    And his son plays for N. Sjælland and Denmark u-21’s

    What’s not to like?

  136. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Evone how have upset u love

  137. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Phew I shat my self then .
    I don’t upset any one
    Take care

  138. Rasp says:

    I was going to suggest Laudrup as AW’s (eventual) successor last week but thought people may have considered it a bit premature. He has Swansea playing more like Arsenal than Arsenal at the moment – I agree, what’s not to like?

    I suppose we could ask the question, who will pick AW’s (eventual 😕 ) successor … AW, the Board, IG, Gunnersaurus?

  139. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Right sheeps off Face Ache is home
    Catch u tomorrow
    Snatch of the day and. Zzzz for me

  140. Rasp says:

    Sheep dreams Hagger 😆

  141. GunnerN5 says:

    That’s baad Rasp.

  142. RockyLives says:

    For flock sake Rasp

  143. GoonerB says:

    ArsenalForever, I think it would be a great shame if you didn’t grace this site with presence henceforth and would urge you to stick with it. IMO it is the best site around and those that run it do it purely for the love of getting us gooners together for great discussion with no gain on their own part. Every now and then there will be stronger disagreements that can sometimes go further than anyone initially intended but I believe everyone is big enough and ugly enough to take things on the chin and tomorrow is another day so to speak.

  144. VeraCruz says:

    honestly speaking with the way we have been going up and down i feel tempted to say we will draw, but taking as evidence the way we played when we last faced them i must say that i m not going into this game thinking we wont be winning (as a rule i watch every game believing we will win and it stays that way until the last whistle proves me wrong), yes man city do have a strong team and will be considered favourites by most but unless my memory is failing and i was watching the team play through arsenal lenses, I dont think we have ever been second best to them when standing on the same pitch. i predict an even contest that will be decided in the last minutes.

  145. GoonerB says:

    Someone needs to shepherd these bad cliched sheep jokes. They are a bit woolly around the edges for my liking.

  146. GunnerN5 says:

    How do sheep herders practice safe sex?

    They mark the ones that kick with an X

  147. VeraCruz says:

    and thank you all, for the welcome, i will try to always contribute to the debates in a positive with constructive posts, i apologize in advance for any poor comment or any that migth feel a bit empty with no substance, sometimes words are hard to come by and i am not very good with them

  148. VeraCruz says:

    positive way*

  149. GunnerN5 says:

    What do you call a guy standing on a corner in Wrexham, Wales, with a sheep under each arm ??

    A pimp.

  150. GunnerN5 says:

    Why did a sheep call the police?

    It had been fleeced.

  151. ArsenalForever says:

    @Rockylives – I had moved on from this, but I think you have really misunderstood me so I need to clarify my stance. I don’t recall ever criticising the organisers of this site, and in fact I have tried to be as complimentary as possible. They are responsible for the positive atmosphere on here. If you read my posts you will see that I apologised earlier because it may have come across that I was having a go at all the regulars. I was actually addressing the people who were out of line towards Spectrum. I addressed them as a group rather than naming names as I did not want to antagonise anyone further. I don’t know who the organisers are, but organiser or not, people do not need to be rude to others who express different views. I am not asking for better policing or for people to be banned… I was just saying that people should control their emotions when responding to comments they dislike. That applies to everyone, including Spectrum and myself.

    I take your point on the mates comment though and I do believe the people on here are the kind I would not mind having a pint with. Anyway, let’s leave that there, I’ve already gone over this with some of the other regulars and they have enlightened me accordingly – we are all mates now! 🙂

  152. ArsenalForever says:

    Thanks GoonerB, I have come to appreciate more than ever what a great site this is, and I will continue to comment from time to time. Let’s hope for 3 points tomorrow! COYG!!!

  153. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    ArsenalForever,

    Let me give you a perspective from someone who had at a dig at spectrum.

    I appreciate what your saying about courtesy to other posters and the need to control emotions and you are quite right on this. In the period i have been posting on here i have encountered many views, some i completely disagree with but have never felt the need to get personal or abusive with any one until now.

    Its got nothing to do with debate, because with the person in question there is none.

    Let me put it this way, another 2 or 3 like him on here, then this site will no longer be the forum you and i know, it will go down hill faster than Road Runner.

    i wont or cant tiptoe around this geezer. For that reason, not to upset good people like yourself or Rasp and Peaches, who i have met personaly and realy respect, i will take the advice given and when he comes on will log off.

  154. 26may1989 says:

    Chas, that is a fantastic forensic spot re the reordering of Wenger’s sentences in the Amy Lawrence article. I wasn’t really upset about what Wenger was supposed to have said, but, assuming ESPN have put up the full quote, seeing how meaning has been injected where there was none really is low journalism.

    Lawrence and I were friends back in university days, when she was at Sheffield Uni and ran the “Yorkshire Gooners” (I was at Leeds). She is a genuine Arsenal fan, but in the last few years I have noticed she’s become spikier about Wenger. Perhaps that, or the views of the sub-editors at The Guardian, got the better of her. But there’s no excuse for that sort of behaviour.

  155. 26may1989 says:

    While the existential debates around this website have generally been pretty depressing, it’s been excellent to see a few people taking a principled stand in defence of anyone’s ability to post on AA. But the starting point of this whole saga needs to be taken into account. Over the months, the controversial poster in question has behaved in a similar way to that that provoked the ire of some. And this week, the first responses were polite requests (including from me) to tone it down and behave more respectfully. Those requests were ignored, after which some (me included) expressed their feelings about the poster and his behaviour.

    The shouty, insulting, patronising, repetitive, anti-discussion way of posting can be ignored but the net effect of those posts is to undermine the whole blog, so it’s not surprising that there is a reaction. As TMHT says, it wouldn’t take much for the blog to be ruined. If I wanted to read and post on a blog where everything is full of invective (shock blogs if you like), there are plenty of options; AA isn’t one of them.

    I’m a pretty old fashioned person, I like good manners. But when someone refuses to behave with a modicum of respect for others, in my opinion that person forfeits a right to be treated with respect. For the person in question, it seems to me to be a case of live by the sword, die by the sword.

    It is perfectly possible to have a full debate without descending into an insulting modus operandi: about a week ago for example, two of us had completely different views of the merits and demerits of George Graham’s Arsenal after 1991, and despite strongly held and completely opposing opinions being held, the discussion never ceased to be anything but respectful. That should be the norm, not the exception.

    Anyway, I hope this navel-gazing stuff is coming to an end now.

  156. 26may1989 says:

    For those who can make it, look forward to seeing you at The Tavern tomorrow. And Rocky, I really hope I get the chance (finally) to meet you on Wednesday.

  157. FCArsenal says:

    Trophies per year calculation seems silly since up to 1987 Arsenal only had a handful if you take away the 1930s.

    It would have been nice to see the win percentages.

  158. ArsenalForever says:

    TMHT, 26May1989 – fair comments guys, I understand where you are both coming from and I will not be so quick to judge in future. You are both great posters and it is a shame that this one particular blogger has caused so much antagonism on this site. Anyway, keep up the great posts and the positive comments, you guys contribute to making this the great site that it is. Till tomorrow

  159. GunnerN5 says:

    FCArsenal,

    The win percentages were shown but I expressed them as Pt%. and that means the percentage of points won which is effectively the win %.

  160. 26may1989 says:

    Cheers ArsenalForever, likewise.

    Here’s hoping all of us have an enjoyable Sunday!

  161. RockyLives says:

    Fair dos Arsenal Forever
    I didn’t mean to portray you as a critic of the site. Apologies if I did.

  162. kelsey says:

    If i had commented on these past few days I would have finished up banning myself.
    It this the AA I love ?
    Hopefully this is the end of it all.

  163. Gooner in Exile says:

    Morning all, thanks for the post GN5, especially as I was waiting with bated breath after my request for the split.

    One of the things I found most revealing was that even with the money and dealings of Sir Henry Norris poor old George Morrell could not keep the club in the top flight after our move to Highbury.

    The stats are interesting reading too, especially goals conceded per game, during the Chapman era football must have been amazing to watch!! Or were goalkeepers just really bad?

    Sorry not commented sooner, George came home Friday night and everything is going at a hundred miles an hour.

  164. Gooner in Exile says:

    VeraCruz says:

    “Maybe because I started to support arsenal recently (2006) it is easier for me to wait for the glory to come”

    That is one of the most refreshing sentences i have heard from a Gooner for a long time.

    “or maybe I just lack ambition ( been told this by a tottenham fan, can you believe the audacity?)”

    And No I can’t quite believe the audactiy of the Spud 😀

  165. Gooner In Exile says:

    Can’t quite believe Amy Lawrence’s twist on that article….especially for a Gooner.

    I guess it shows the way the news media has changed. Now it’s all about internet hits and click counted advertising revenue, whereas in the past an ad in the paper was carefully targeted to a specific audience, I know there was an element of the papers circulation taken into account

  166. dy says:

    great site…. more to come please….

  167. Isn’t John Cross supposed to be a Gooner?

  168. The font says:

    Arsenal forever
    Surely someone like spectrum would be better off on le grove where he can debate with like minded people . and to keep insulting wenger on every comment in arsen we rust is just showing the red rag to the bull I do not agree that anybody should be bullied but if your sole goal is to incite then you have to except the consequences

  169. Gooner In Exile says:

    Think so GM….in fact a lot of media types are Gooners, even Adrian Dunceham is a closet Gooner 🙂

    It’s also a detriment that Arsenal following is very tech savvy and new media orientated as we generate the most clicks and therefore the most revenue.

    I find it difficult to find blogs like ours and many other Arsenal blogs for other clubs, the majority seem to be more forum like with many posts, categories going at anyone time.

  170. Big Raddy says:

    GM. Yes he is.

    At last it’s match day. With so many games over January we can ill afford injuries, so cross fingers.

    Vera Cruz. “as a rule i watch every game believing we will win and it stays that way until the last whistle proves me wrong”.

    I do exactly the same but if we are one up with 10 minutes to go I get very edgy – ever since TA6 retired

  171. Big Raddy says:

    GIE, These are very exciting yet stressful days for you and Mrs GIE. A new Gooner is a huge responsibility.

    Has he got any Arsenal merchandise yet?

  172. chas says:

    George Exile waiting for kick off

    http://bit.ly/W1GxdE

  173. evonne says:

    Morning all anitcipating Gunners!!a day ahead of us!!

    Yes, I like VeraCruz’s comments, nice chap
    No, I don’t like Laudrup. If he is appointed the next AFC manager, I will instantly fall in love with him, but until then I hate him GM style.

    I hope that Pool are vicious today and Suarez breaks a leg or two

  174. Red Arse says:

    Morning all, 🙂

  175. kelsey says:

    Morning all as well.

    I fancy us to nick it today and it will be interesting to see if Theo is up against Kompany how he gets on.

  176. kelsey says:

    I wonder if city will play with caution as they usually do at our place.Should be a cracking game.

  177. Big Raddy says:

    evonne Why dont you like Laudrup?

    kelsey. Hope all is well with you. There were concerns due to yuor recent absence. I do not share your optimism about today

  178. Morning all and kelsey 🙂

  179. kelsey says:

    Morning Raddy and peaches 😉

    I stayed off purposely otherwise i might have put not one but both feet in it 😉

  180. kelsey – you’re full of optimism, that’s nice 🙂 Citeh are in the doldrums a bit aren’t they but I’m not sure this current Arsenal can play tight games, oh well we’ll see. Really looking forward to the game today even though it’s going to be absolutely freezing 😦

  181. Sheep Hagger ™ says:

    Morning
    Just got back from my 4 mile run down Mumbles ,dinner to make today and then Two games of footy.
    We must beat ManShitty today and hope Man Poo lose
    Hope everyone is ok .
    TA FOR THE SHEEP JOKES LAST NIGHT
    Much love
    sheep Hagger 💤

  182. GoonerB says:

    Morning everyone. It’s Theo up front for me today. I feel Kompany and whoever plays with him would have the measure of Giroud if he was playing at the focul point of attack, and would tie him up. We need Theo’s pace and movement to find that yard or so of space to get away from their CD’s and get shots in on goal. I actually believe you could play Giroud in the slightly more withdrawn role behind Theo if we needed to get extra firepower out there as oppose to the norm of the other way round..

  183. kelsey says:

    If united win they will be ten points clear, that might effect how city line up. I think mozart should really start today and it’s a shame Arshavin just can’t even get on the bench.20 minutes from him could just give us a breakthrough if needed.

  184. Gooner In Exile says:

    Kelsey you are right, Theo vs Kompany will either put a few £’s on or off his wage demands. 🙂

    Raddy no merchandise yet, unless his Uncle delivers some today. He does have his Junior Gunners membership tho 🙂

  185. Rasp says:

    Morning all ……

    …. New post ……

  186. supreetkini says:

    You mean the entire unbeaten season of 2003/2004, and not 2002/2003 🙂

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