Gervinho: The New Thierry Henry

One of the commonest complaints levelled at Arsene Wenger by his critics is that he hangs on to sub-standard players for too long.

He is accused of having ‘favourites’ and of continuing to select them long after we supporters have decided that they are not up to it.

‘Fawlty’ Manuel Almunia, ‘Sideways’ Den Denilson and Emmanuel “the Grinning Kamikaze” Eboue all spring to mind.

Now the critics are drawing up new lists. Some are comically long, leaving us with a squad containing just Szczesny, Vermaelen, Wilshere and van Persie, who in addition to their playing duties will also have to wash the kit, mow the grass and make the tea.

Others are more considered. The names most regularly seen on these lists are Diaby (too injury prone), Almunia (too error prone), Chamakh (too goal shy) and Park (too invisible).

But as our season approaches an anxious climax, I have seen Gervinho’s name bandied about as another player who should be packed in a cardboard box and deposited in ‘Goods Out’.

Is this fair?

Certainly he has been a frustrating player in his first year at Arsenal.

Against Stoke at the weekend he actually did a lot of good things – taking on his fullback and often beating him with a combination of skill and pace. But whenever he got free, he seemed incapable of making the right decision.

As for his finishing, well, let’s just say that he appears to have been getting tips from Jon Jenson.

But if you cast your mind back to the start of the season he was a promising addition to the squad. He was exciting on the ball and very, very direct. His first touch was (and still is) excellent and he can dribble past opposition defenders at will.

So far this season he has played 27 games, including nine as a substitute. He has scored four goals and made eight assists. It’s not a startling return, but nor is it awful.

My theory, for what it’s worth, is that Arsene Wenger had a notion that Gervinho could (I stress, could) turn into a new Thierry Henry.

Don’t laugh – I’m serious.

He came to us as a fast and skillful winger/forward with a French background. I’m sure it must have crossed Le Boss’s mind that there was a possibility he could blossom the way Henry did into a devastating attacker. Perhaps Wenger even thought it unlikely that van Persie would stay fit for an entire season and that there would be opportunities for Gervinho to play as a central striker.

Right now that idea seems ludicrous because we have come to think of the Ivorian as a player who lacks composure in front of goal (and, in fairness, his recent efforts have done nothing to counter that view). That puts him at the opposite end of the spectrum to Henry, who is arguably the most composed goal scorer ever to wear an Arsenal shirt.

But what many don’t realize is that Gervinho’s scoring record in France was better than Henry’s before he joined us.

Thierry bagged 20 goals in 105 games for Monaco (less than a goal every five games). In his short spell at Juventus just before Wenger scooped him up he got three in 16 (again, less than one in five).

Gervinho, by contrast, scored 28 in 67 appearances for Lille – the club from whom he joined Arsenal last summer. That’s a goal every 2.4 games – or twice as deadly as TH14 was before arriving at Highbury. Both were playing as wide attackers while in France.

It gives the lie to the suggestion that the dome-headed flyer does not have the ability to score goals. I don’t know why he’s not bagging more for the Gunners. He scored a peach at the ACN (in fact, it was quite an Henry-like finish) but in the red and white it has not really been happening.

I don’t watch French football so I have no idea whether he was played in a different role at Lille or whether it’s just a confidence thing at the moment.

Like most players who go to the ACN, he has suffered a dip in form since returning, but I really think it’s too early to give up on this young man.

Many people had doubts about Laurent Koscielny after his first season with us. Like Gervinho he had been good in parts; but, also like The Gerv, he had frustrated too. The Godawful cock-up that gifted the Carling Cup to the McLeish Relegation Team #1 seemed to be evidence of an underlying problem with the defender.

Fast forward to now and I suspect that, were it not for Robin van Persie’s ability to pop the egg in the basket at moments of personal convenience, young Kozzer would be Arsenal’s player of the season.

I am hopeful that Gervinho’s Arsenal career will follow a similarly upward trajectory and that next season will be a big year for him

Do I think he can become a new Thierry? Probably not, because players like Henry are very rare indeed. But if he can become 50% of what TH was it will still make him one of the best players in the league.

Do I think he can become a vital and effective part of the Arsenal attack? Yes I do.

He has now had a season of adjusting to the EPL. It would be crazy to jettison him at exactly the point where we can expect him to start showing why Arsene Wenger believed in him in the first place.


362 Responses to Gervinho: The New Thierry Henry

  1. SharkeySure says:

    Cheers CorkyElvis….I too was happier with our dome headed Ivorian on Sat, than I have been of late. As you noted, he lacked end product, but the effort and drive were there in abundance.

    Oh and a quick word to (our!!) Harry, if you’ve read the comments this far (lol)…hope you and the boys are doing OK.

  2. Rasp says:

    Another great post certain to provoke a mix of responses Rocky.

    I see Gervinho as a good squad player who will probably start more games on the pitch than on the bench.

    Gervinho resembles TH14 possibly in terms of pace and ability to get past players, but he has nowhere near the same strength and power. People often forget that TH14 was very strong and hard to knock off the ball. Defenders use to bounce of him, unfortunately it is Gervinho who bounces off defenders.

    There is no evidence that Gervinho has the technique and power in his shooting that TH14 had. Even when TH wasn’t scoring many, some of the goals he got were spectacular efforts. His first goal (was it against Southampton?) was one he smashed into the top corner from outside the box – I can’t see gervinho developing that in his game. What I can see from Gervinho is 5 or 6 goals a season but more importantly plenty of assists.

  3. You’ve convinced me Rocky. I remember being really excited by Gervihno at the start of the season, loved the way he ran at players and always looked like he could do the unexpected. I felt sure that we were really going to miss him when he went to the ANC but his form since returning has been dire. He’s really been out of sorts, shall I bake him a cake or send him some chicken soup ……… maybe he needs a song 😉

    I think he just needs to find his balls, I’m not sure what we do to players to make them so introverted, whatever it is it didn’t work on NikkiB so maybe the answer lies with him.

  4. mickydidit89 says:

    Rasp has entered my mind and waltzed off with my thoughts on Gerv’s lack of strength and power. As to whether he has it in him to make a top class wide boy I don’t know, after all, while I may be a tactical master, I used to think RvP was rubbish.
    One serious question on this subject. Why is playing in the ACN such an excuse. They don’t play more games than they would here. I would of thought it has all the hallmarks of a nice sunny winter break.

  5. drew says:

    Hmmm. Whilst I can’t argue with the evidence you put forward, I just get the feeling that he is one of those players who lacks the self-assurance of a Thierry Henry, so will never reach the heights their attributes might add up to. And I mean at a level that can’t be coached/motivated. You may get a good season or purple patch out of them but not season on season, high level performances. Those players are few and far between of course; RVP, Fab, Drogba, Ronaldo, Messi etc etc those who’s confidence is never really ever questioned.

    You can tell by the smile; Messi, RVP, Fab, smile when they’re winning, Gervinho, Wiltord, Eboue smile nervously and when they’re losing.

  6. When Lille won the tittle i watch the French league, when i herd we were buying Gervinho i really didn’t want him to come because of his wasteful ways so it isn’t much of a surprise to me, but didn’t think he would be so awful

  7. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Rocky, thanks for a thought-provoking post 🙂

    Gervinho has been a bit of a disappointment in recent months, but overall he has shown enough this seasons, in order for us to believe he will come good at Arsenal.

    Next season, with a regular partnership with either Santos (ideally for him) or Gibbs, with a quality AM who controls the attacking play and serves the wingers with fine crosses/passes and doubling up when possible, and when he finds his form again, he will come good for us.

    He started to play better recently and I would not be surprised if he plays really well against Norwich this weekend. One goal or a really good assist will do wonders for his confidence. I hope the fans will be patient with him though.

  8. chas says:

    Excellent post. Gerv the Swerve needs a big confidence boost. Hopefully his second season will be a big one.

    I think it’s the timing of the ACN that causes such a problem.
    Demba Ba and Cheick Tiote at Newcastle have both disappeared form-wise since February.

  9. Panic says:

    Players arriving from France always seem to suffer a bedding in period coming to the Premier League. Adding the fact that he had to go to the ACN this was always going to be a difficult season for Gerv. Give him time and I think next season he’ll come good.

  10. xycube says:

    Unfortunately for Gervinho he is off to the African Cup of Nations of Africa played in Africa cup in January if Ivory do qualify.That can only mean another loss of form.

  11. boomergooner1727 says:

    glad to see some positive comments about our ivorian; i was beginning to think i was his only fan. as stated, watching him run at players with confidence early in the season was a joy to watch and while he will never be the same *type* of player henry was i think he has the potential to bag 10+ in all competitions with 12+ assists to match for a few seasons to come. getting more production from the flanks will do wonders in relieving robin and his new partner in the middle and with jack back in the squad we’ll have an added swagger going forward. on a side note, if gervinho, ox and miyachi all improve then theo’s demands for a new contract become a much smaller concern.

  12. Rob Lucci says:

    Rasp, re ‘developing’,

    after his first full season with us, I can’t see Alex Song will ever develop anything into his game either. He can’t even pass, and didn’t have any positional sense at all. What I want to say is that Arsene knows more than us on how to develop a player.

    It is not easy actually for a foreign player to familiarise themselves with the physical aspect of English game, especially when you are playing for Arsenal. Even player as hard as Koscielny need some time to adjust with the physicality of this league.

    I believe that Gervinho has the technique and power in his shooting that TH14 had, but based on his game with Lille, for me he is more of a Ljungberg than a Henry.

  13. kelsey says:

    Morning all.

    Well RL, Gervinho .

    This is my opinion and I can’t get the positive vibes which he may possess. We arn’t a mid to lower placed side and yes his movement is good and there is no doubt that he is working very hard, but for me he isn’t good enough where it really matters. He can’t shoot to save his life and when he bottled out of a cross with the keeper at Stoke that sums him up for me.

    I often hear an arguemement that several of our players have exceptionally good games when they play for their respective countries, yet not consistenly for us. vela is a good example,but I must add he has had limited opportunities in the first team.

    So in conclusion IMO at best he is a squad player who won’t get any better unless AW changes this intricative short passing between midfield and attack. I have always believed that we sometimes buy attacking players after having them watched countless times and then take away their natural attributes to play to our system.

  14. colario says:

    I think the key to the situation is how well he is able to apply the advice le Boss gives him. For we can be certain Le Boss has advised Gervinho how he can improve his game.

  15. Fine post Rocky.
    Sorry, I tried not to laugh, but I did,please forgive me. 🙂
    I like Gerv`and think he will be much better next year. I like It when he and Wally change wings during games to unsettle defenders.
    Talking of previous comments, Chammy is not fit to wipe Bendy`s boots and I think he Is much more happier to sit on the bench and count his wages every week than Bendy Is, Bendy wants to play and score goals.
    Vela , Lack of game time for us, but a genuine ” Fox in the box ” imo, will he or would he/have made it ?, who knows without playing time.
    Poldolski ?, I haven`t read anyone question this signing ( as far as I know ). With all his caps and goals and age, I just wonder if we are picking up a player who has already reached his peak, I dont want another Chammy. Personally I want a Suarez / Aguero / Tevez sort of player, excellant workrate, skill, finishing and a constant no let up pain in the arse to defenders , which would release RVP into the ” Hole” and also as back up striker. I thought Vela could have been that man, he has the skill, finishing and pace but maybe lacking the workrate ?.

    I know I have said It before, but the scum really are an ugly club ( players and fans ). The other day,I was reading The Sun ( whilst listening to Talksport , what do you think Raddy, classy or what ! ) they had a front page story of Defoe`s inabillity to be faithfull for more than ten minutes. He`s dating Alexandra Burke,( her middle name should be ,” What a f**king “, for going out with such an ugly bastard , surely the love child of , Joseph Merrick and a Boxer bitch ) and playing ” Tippy , Tappy ” stuff with someone else, but then again ,maybe they deserve each other as she was seen wearing a ( piss and shit on the filthy ) Spud shirt.
    7pm yesterday, who should be on Family Fortunes ?, yes you guessed It, Jermaine Defoe,( which is a name change, real name ,Jermaine Deformed ! ) surely this face should have been put on after the ” Water shed ” time of 9pm, I had to comfort my Grand Daughter, ” no darling , It`s not a monster, It`s just a very ugly man !.
    How do the hideous Scum attract any support ?, the answer lies in the question , their supporters are hideous aswell, a fine marriage, The Bride`s of Tottenstein.

    How lucky are we to be goodlooking and handsome Arsenal supporters, the envy of all other supporters !. Infact, I am so handsome, It`s that time of the day when I play Kiss chase with myself, I chase myself all around the house untill I corner myself In front of the full length Bedroom mirror and proceed to slobber myself with kisses and sometimes I find myself so irresistable, I end up roggering myself, ” how was I, you were fantastic, thankyou, your wellcome ” !.

  16. mickydidit89 says:

    Do I sense that everyone is a little deflated? A bit end of seasoned? Arsenaled out?
    What we need is some conspiracy theory. A damn good rumour from an unnamed source. Something apparently said by someone who could be close to an Arsenl insider.
    Surely there must be unconfirmed reports on Twister or Faceoff.

  17. samuel says:

    At this monent in time it doesn,t seem as if Gervinho has what it tak
    es to be an exceptional Arsenal player,in the Bergkamp,Ljungberg
    Pires,Vieira mould,too much African style dribbling when a direct
    pass or even calm shot on goal will suffice,hopefully time will prove
    otherwise,we shall see ?

  18. Red Arse says:


    An admirable attempt to analyse, deconstruct and reassemble Gernonimo, then persuasively argue step by step a convincing case for keeping faith with the spindly legged one! 🙂

    Well you have succeeded in altering my mind set a tad!

    There are two areas that concern me about him, one of which can be ‘fixed’, the other, if true, not so much.

    The first matter which worries me, and which has been addressed by others, is his lack of strength. He needs bulking up in the close season, in exactly the same way that Kozzer did.

    In Kozzer’s case, he admitted that the pace and power of players in the EPL stunned him, and he said he knew, to be successful, he had to work on his body strength, and the rewards have been very evident this season.

    So, Geronimo can get his own fitness trainer and come back a much tougher player next season. Done!

    The other concern is more worrying. I saw him play a bit both in France and in the ACN, and was hopeful about his pace and skill levels. But something I noticed and then dismissed as being fanciful, was that he seemed to lack bottle.
    You know — never quite getting to the point of a tackle with those rough looking defenders; not chasing for a ball he should have got, or like on Saturday, behaving like the US Cavalry always arriving late, and, despite the advantage of having an elongated brow, failing to get his head onto a beautiful cross, which would have won us the game.

    Fixable? I’m not sure, but I live in hope that, in the words of the inestimable Peaches, “he just needs to find his balls”, and hopefully, for his benefit and that of the team, she might unselfishly be the very person to help him there!! 🙂 😉

  19. Big Raddy says:

    RL. You have such an amusing writing style. I always enjoy our posts.

    IMO our “dome headed flyer” (makes me think of a Bald Eagle) has done enough to earn the benefit of the doubt. He can be anonymous and frustrating but also be so damned exciting. I love the way he is prepared to take on his FB but get frustrated when his final ball is so poor. Next season will tell us more.

    Plus, with the arrival (?) of Podolski here does Gerv fit in?

  20. Norfolk Gooner says:

    When TH14 arrived at Arsenal he was described by Wenger as having the build of a middle-weight boxer. Gervinho was picked up one handed by Joey Barton. The premiership is a tough league to play in, I hope the lad can prosper in the coming season, I reserve my opinion for now.

  21. he’s utter garbage. a headless chicken.

  22. Rasp says:

    I rest my case regarding Henry’s first goals for Arsenal…..

  23. Rasp says:

    Just look at the pace and directness with which we used to attack in those days – if only we could get back to that style of play.

  24. Rasp says:

    Would Gervinho have scored that 5th goal against Middlesborough?

  25. mickydidit89 says:

    Right then, change of plan. Let’s not compare Gerv to one of the worlds’ greatest ever strikers. Let’s compare him to Perry Groves.
    Ahh, that’s better 🙂

  26. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Closer perhaps to Vic Groves!

  27. mickydidit89 says:

    Was Vic any good? I’ve got a program somewhere with him on the front. I’m guessing the answer is “no”. 🙂

  28. Rasp,
    Goals 9 and 10, were they against our legendary ( soon to be number 2 ? ) Steve Bould ?, or was It against his less mobile twin brother Steve Boulder ?

  29. Norfolk Gooner says:

    The FA have come in for a fair amount of stick over the appointment of the next England manager, unfairly in my opinion. They said at the outset that no announcement would be made until the “back end of the season”. As far as anybody is aware they never announced who was on their shortlist other than to say the preference was for an Englishman. They have made no approach to any manager or club prior to talking to West Brom on Saturday.

    The media immediately presented Harry Redknap as “the people’s choice” and tried to make out that the whole thing was a foregone conclusion. They conveniently ignored his total lack of international experience as well as his very limited track record at club level, West Ham, Portsmouth and Southampton before his almost successful spell at that lot down the road.

    Hodgson, on the other hand, has managed at international level, Finland, Switzerland and United Arab Emirates as well as a host of clubs. He apparently speaks five languages and is well respected at both Fifa and Uefa.

    I think the FA deserve some credit for the way they have gone about their business, at least, in this matter.

  30. RockyLives says:

    Morning all and thanks for the comments.

    Maybe someone could upload all Gerv’s goals for Lille and we can see whether or not he can smack ’em like Thierry…

  31. RockyLives says:

    @12.27 Absolutely spot on.
    If the media are giving the FA a hard time it’s because they have egg on their face.
    They had Twitchy crowned and anointed months ago because he performs for them like a tricky pony. Now they have to explain to their readers why the bloke they’ve been saying is a cert for the next England manager hasn’t even been spoken to by the FA.

  32. Norfolk Gooner says:


    My Arsenal supporting and very knowledgeable aunt Nellie, sadly no longer with us, always refered to Vic as “Granny” Groves who was a character in an early TV soap.

  33. Rasp says:

    There you go Rocky, just skip the ad and you’ll see Gervinho’s goals pre Arsenal … mostly short range 🙄

  34. Rasp says:

    Hi GliC, yes that was Bouldy who was getting skinned by TH14 😛

  35. 26may1989 says:

    Good afternoon AAers.

    Campaigning to sell Gervinho is off the mark, as Rocky says, he should some real talent in the early part of the season, and that should give us hope that he could yet blossom. But the way he’s drifted away completely since the ACN is pretty bad – it’s not just what he does (though I’m sure his stats for assists, shots on target, passes completed, etc aren’t good), it’s the way he’s done things too. He shows little confidence or desire, though as Sharkey said there was a smidgeon more from him at the Shitannia.

    So, he definitely isn’t on my sell list for this summer (though that list is probably within Rocky’s description of being comically long, I admit that). But let’s be honest, right now most fans would have him fourth at best for a place in the wing positions, after Walcott, Benayoun and Chamberlain. Next season, if we really do want to push on, we need far more creativity, penetration and attacking diversity. Some of that will come with a couple of signings, but much of it has to come from the players we have on the books now.

    Rasp, thanks for the TH14 vid; god, I love that man, and great to see assists from Overmars, Kanu, DB10 etc. Football’s moved on in the last 10 years, but I do doubt we’ll ever see a side in English football that plays with the verve and genius of Wenger’s Arsenal from 1997 to 2005. The mystery is how we managed to win so few trophies in that time.

  36. Imho, I should imagine most Managers would pick near enough the same squad of players/team as each other. At the end of the day It`s the players on the pitch that kick the ball not the Manager.
    What Is simple ( to me anyway ) ,
    1) As long as you keep the ball, the opposition cant score.
    2) The Best team usually have the best players .
    3) Add fantastic workrate, dicipline and shape to 1 & 2 and Bob`s your uncle ( In the case of Defoe, the elephantmans uglier brother is his uncle )

  37. Norfolk Gooner says:


    Blimey! if he can re-create that form he will be sensational, you can see why Arsene bought him.

  38. 26may1989 says:

    And Norfolk, absolutely right re Hodgson. It’s not just about Twitchy’s fondness for opening Monaco bank accounts in his dog’s name that meant he wasn’t first choice, the simple fact of the matter is Hodgson is a better manager. He has good international experience, has a keen eye for a player with potential, is a good tactician and isn’t likely to say absolutely ridiculous things to the media that will cause pressure to mount on his players. Redknapp wouldn’t have been appalling (better than Capello) but Hodgson is definitely the superior choice. It’s not often we can say this, but for once the FA seems to have made the right choice and in the right way.

    I heard a representative of the Spurs Supporters’ Club on Radio 5L this morning, bleating on about how the collapse of their form is the fault of the FA, first for sacking Terry as England captain, causing Capello to take a stand (good choice of issue to take a stand on Fabio, defending an alleged racist); then the FA were slagged off for allowing the media to anoint Redknapp as The People’s Choice, thereby causing every professional footballer at WHL to stop focusing on the job at hand. What a load of deluded whining.

  39. Rasp says:

    Hi NG, the vid of Gervinho was his best goals, the vid of TH14 was just his first 10 for Arsenal.

  40. As I said earlier , I like Gerv and I dont think for one minute any of us expects him to make the same impact as TH14. TH14 was 22 when he scored the first of many, Gerv is 25 in May, how good was TH14 when he was 25 ?. Let Gerv find his feet, he will be a good player for us but he wont have a Statue next to mine, Herb, Thiery or Tony`s . 😆

  41. Rasp says:

    I agree GliC, Gervinho can be an excellent goalscoring winger for us but not a striker. He’s having his ‘bedding in’ year, we should be able to expect more consistency from him next season.

  42. 26may1989 says:

    Not really sure this comparison of Gervinho and Henry is relevant: Titi was a one-off, I doubt there will ever be a player like him again, and it doesn’t do a lot of favours to other, different players (whether Walcott, Gervinho or Miyaichi) for them to be compared with someone who, at his peak, was a freak of nature on the pitch (in a good way, naturellement). The only question that matters re Gervinho is: will he become a top-notch Arsenal player or not?

  43. Big Raddy says:

    26. You get BBC5 L in Singapore?

  44. To win anything 26, we need top-notch on the field and on the bench. Whether It happens or not, the Cheque book needs to come out for some real quality ,otherwise expect a similar seasons ending next year as to this one.

  45. TotalArsenal says:

    For a first season the Gerv hasn’t been bad at all. I have noticed people salivating over their keyboards this season, over how good the likes of Valencia and Young are for the Mans, but their stats tell us that Gervinho is relatively not doing bad at all.

    I looked at it a few weeks ago (16/4):

    Gervinho: played 24 scored 4 and had 6 assists in the PL
    A Young: played 22 scored 5 and had 7 assists in the PL
    Valencia: played 23 scored 4 and had 13 assists in the PL

    So, Gervinho in his first PL season, playing with different LB’s all the time and not having two strikers to aim at, does not perform much worse than A Young. Valencia did not score more than Gervinho, but did very well on the assists side this season, but then Valencia is becoming a PL veteran and has the ‘luxury’ to play with two strikers to assist to. Of course, he needs to improve on those stats next season, but their is no need to despair about yet.

  46. Rasp says:

    Hi 26m, I suspect Rocky was just using the TH14 comparison to rattle a few cages – I’d be happy if he could be as effective as Overmars

  47. Slimgingergooner says:

    Podolski deal confirmed by his club!

  48. Slimgingergooner says:

    Maybe the club has learned something from last seasons shambles!

    We will see.

  49. 26may1989 says:

    Back from Singapore this morning Raddy: despite having to work too hard there, I do like it. Wouldn’t want to live there but comforting to see lots of Arsenal shirts, more than any other club. Or perhaps I just blanked the other ones out.

    Ghost of: I agree that we need to do some recruitment, though I would probably stop at two, so long as they are of the highest quality and in attacking roles (one striker, one AM). If we go for M’Vila I assume it will be because Song will leave. With Wilshere, Mertesacker, Arteta and Frimpong available again, and Miyaichi, Bartley and Campbell perhaps able to join the mother ship, as well as youngsters of the calibre of Miquel, Yennaris and Coquelin, the squad looks good, we just need a couple of real gems to go with it.

  50. WiganGooner says:

    I think Gervinho will be a quality player. I guess the things we need to consider is the things he doesn’t do. He doesn’t just stick out wide. He rarely gives up and he just keeps attacking his full-back. He isn’t the finished product, but he is young and has bags of potential.

    I know we get sick of being sold the future, but I really think Gervinho has what it takes in abundance. I’m not so bad at judging players and I think if he has the right mentality, which I am led to believe he has then I think under Arsene’s tuteledge then I think he will be a cracking player for us.

    Remember, one season is never enough to judge a player. It’s a different country, a different league, a different set of players and a whole different footballing ethos at Arsenal compared to Lille.

    Stick by your players as you would like them to stick by us. Like you all want RvP to sign back on, remember how Arsene kept faith in him whilst he was injured and what he has blossomed into.

    Keep the faith.


  51. GunnerN5 says:

    Once a twit always a twit.


    Footballer Jermaine Pennant has been charged with drinking and driving after a crash in Greater Manchester.

    The Stoke City player from Altrincham, Cheshire, was driving a
    BMW when he collided with an Audi in Cross Street, Sale, at about 05:20 BST on Sunday.

    The 29-year-old winger is also charged with driving with no insurance and driving while disqualified, Greater Manchester Police said.

    He is due to appear before Trafford Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday 9 May.

    The driver of the Audi went to hospital for a minor back injury. He has since been discharged.

  52. mickydidit89 says:

    Welcome back 26.
    Absolutely agree with your transfer demands. Two finished articles packed with goals.
    Can I throw in that the AM needs to be a free kick specialist.

  53. mickydidit89 says:

    Podolski eh?
    I take that as confirmation of our switch to 3-5-2 which is brilliant news.

  54. TotalArsenal says:

    It has been confirmed on the German equivalent of BBC as well. Yippeee!!! Add to that 26 last paragraph@1.26 and we should be happy Gooners – and I hear Arjen Robben has told the club he will take his time regarding signing a new contract…. Sign him up Arsene and we’ll blow them all away next season! 🙂

  55. mickydidit89 says:

    Just working on my conspiracy theory regarding RvP, Podolski and Season Ticket renewals (all doomers can probably see where I’m going with this one).
    Anyone know the renewal dates?

  56. herbsarmy says:

    Hi all,
    interesting Post Rocky, Gervinho is an example of us buying basement bargains, and part of the reason we’ve come to accept 3rd/4th.
    Exiled Gooner, nice comprehensive response to my ‘crossroads’ comment. My point about Diaby was that AW bought him knowing he was injury-prone. He played only 10 games for Auxerre in two years, so not really the wisest investment.
    As regards to our stature, Sir Henry Norris used his resources to make us the best football club in the world, and should be the barometer by which we are measured. Yes, MU are commercially bigger than us, but Liverpool (CL 2005) certainly aren’t.
    I know you’re an Accountant, but I refer to the Forbes Football Rich List, and according to them, we’re the 4th richest club in world football.
    It’s all about maximising potential, which we haven’t really done well since the mid 1970’s. Had our BoD been intelligent enough to show a little bit of patience back in 1986, our potential would definitely have been maximised. Now we’re not even playing catch-up because we refuse to compete.
    Chas – how can we not be at a crossroads when our fan-base are so divided? For every Arsenal fan that worships AW, there’s another who hates him. If we assume that ‘AA’ and ‘Le Grove’ share the same amount of hits per day, I would say there’s enough evidence to suggest there is plenty of dissent and supporters dissatisfied with the Arsenal product. And just as there are some who want AW to stay forever, there’s also those who would drive him to the airport to see the back of him. Hardly a recipe for a harmonious club.

  57. WiganGooner says:

    On the Hodgeson debate, I’m delighted he’s in the frame. I’m marginally annoyed old Twitch isn’t going to be distracted further, but as an English football fan, I’m glad for England.

    I think Hodgeson is far more tactically astute, he is a good man manager who will forever be tainted by his tenure at Liverpool. He had been given no money, the club was on the verge of administration and the team had lost their focus because of a distinct lack of professionalism and brinkmanship from the likes of Gerrard and Carragher who both wanted King Kenny instead.

    Hodgeson was a casualty of player power, fan expectation and an ownership change that needed to show the fans something positive without spending millions of pounds.

    Kenny was a perfect fit and Hodgeson the perfect scapegoat.

    I have a lot of respect for Hodgeson and I think he will do well.


  58. mickydidit89 says:

    Robben, no no, oh yuk. Total, how could you?

  59. TotalArsenal says:

    An experienced winger Micky: why the yuk? 🙂

    I know he is very ugly, but the likes of Gervinho, Theo, Ryo and the Ox would learn a lot from him and he is good for a goal in every three games, plus many assists. He wont be cheap though, especially salary-wise, but we could really do with a player of his calibre.

  60. WiganGooner says:


    Didn’t we sign Diaby for about 4.5 million Euros? Somewhere about that I think…

    Bearing in mind when he is fully fit (I did say when) he can be devastating, isn’t it worth holding onto him for a bit longer to see if these injury problems can be cured?

    I’m no physiological expert, but the last reports from the Diaby camp was that they thought that they had got to the bottom of the issues with him and that he had a new set of training routines to teach him to run differently to protect his vulnerable ankle (incidentally shattered whilst playing for us, not Auxerre).

    I think we owe him a chance to turn it around. Perhaps he needs a complete break from football ala Rosicky, I don’t know, but I do know that he has talent and ability in spades if we can get him fit.


  61. TotalArsenal says:

    Wigan, good to see you on AA 🙂

    Good points about Hodgson. The best the FA can get, as they are keen to get an Englishman again this time.

  62. WiganGooner says:


    An interesting article here that backs up your comments


  63. Fecozzi from nigeria says:

    Cant wait 2 seee VanDoski playin 2geda…… Mouth waterin!!!

  64. mickydidit89 says:

    Hi Herb,
    The positive “hit” guage versus the negative does not reflect the actual breakdown. People like to moan and would always prefer to pass on bad news than good.
    For example, I sell about 5k units a week and that is very consistent over the year. We get a ratio of six complaining emails to one complimentary. Its the way people are and its the same in any business.

  65. GunnerN5 says:

    It’s OFFICIAL from


    Arsenal agree deal for Podolski
    Arsenal Football Club is delighted to announce that a deal has been agreed to sign German international striker Lukas Podolski on a long-term contract for an undisclosed fee.

    The Polish-born attacker will team up with the Gunners in the summer ahead of the 2012/13 season from Bundesliga side FC Cologne, where he has been in fine form this season, netting 18 times in 28 league appearances.

    After spending his early years training and playing with FC Bergheim 2000, the 26-year-old joined the youth set-up at Cologne in 1995, before making his first-team debut in 2003. After three successful seasons with Cologne he moved to Bayern Munich in 2006. He spent three seasons with Bayern before re-joining FC Cologne in 2009 and is now regarded as one of the leading strikers in the Bundesliga.

    Podolski has made 95 appearances for Germany and scored 43 goals since making his debut as a 19-year-old in 2004. He made a huge impact with a series of impressive performances at the 2006 World Cup, where he scored three times and followed this up with three more goals at Euro 2008.

    Podolski was also part of the German team that produced a number of eye-catching displays at the 2010 World Cup in South Africa, including a goalscoring contribution in the 4-1 win over England in Bloemfontein in the last 16. He also featured for ‘Die Geißböcke’ in the pre-season friendly against Arsenal at the RheinEnergieStadion last July.

    Manager Arsène Wenger said: “We are delighted to secure the deal for Lukas and see him as an important part of our future. He is a top-class player, a very good finisher and a proven performer at club and international level. He is a very strong player and will provide us with good attacking options.

    “We are happy to have made this signing early and we are looking forward to watching Lukas contribute at the European Championships over the summer, a level where he has already made 95 caps at the age of 26. That is a phenomenal record and just shows his quality as a player.”

    Speaking about his move, Podolski said: “I’m so happy to be joining Arsenal Football Club and to play in the Premier League. Arsenal is one of the top clubs in Europe with a huge history. There are many top quality players at Arsenal and the style of football which the team plays is fantastic. I’m proud to become an Arsenal player and am looking forward to playing my first match at Emirates Stadium and doing my best for all the Arsenal fans.

    “I am looking forward to becoming an Arsenal player, but at the moment, my focus is with my current club Cologne. I will give everything I have until the end of season to make sure the team finish as high as possible in the Bundesliga. There will always be a place in my heart for FC Köln.”

    Everyone at Arsenal looks forward to welcoming Lukas to the Club in the summer.

  66. WiganGooner says:


    Thanking you 🙂 Life as always seems to get in the way these days, but as always I hope to get here more often. I guess, like everything, it’s as important that I really want to be on here with you guys as well as actually being here…I hope all of you realise how much I enjoy talking to you.


  67. TotalArsenal says:

    WG, I know you have your own website, which seems to be doing well, but are you planning to write a post for AA as well, any time soon?………’s been a while! 😉

  68. herbsarmy says:

    Hi WiganG,

    good to hear from you. Diaby has played about 110 games in six years, which equates to two seasons thereabouts. That’s inexhaustable patience! Same for Rosicky. Overall, Rosicky has given us about six good months spread over six years. Not exactly prudent investments, are they? And neither have got us closer to actually winning anything.

  69. Simon Samuelson says:

    agree that it’s far too early to judge Gervinho. my guess is that he’s suffered a bit from “first season syndrome” but some encouraging signs (his willingness to put a shift in has increased signidficantly throughout the campaign).

    overall i see him as an important squad player, and probably used on an impact basis (arsene probably considering a tactical change or two given the pod’s arrival etc)

  70. GunnerN5 says:

    A mouth watering combination – Van Persie & Podolski.

  71. mickydidit89 says:

    How can we sign someone with the windows closed?

  72. GunnerN5 says:


    With an open mind???

  73. herbsarmy says:

    Hi Micky,

    you’re right of course, people do look for negatives over positives, but it doesn’t alter the fact that we are serial under-achievers.

  74. chas says:

    Those fans you talk about have been whinging for 5 years. Have we been at a crossroads for 5 years? If your answer is yes, then I agree, we are at the same crossroads as we’ve been at for the last five years.

  75. mickydidit89 says:

    Lateral thinking. Nice 🙂

  76. GunnerN5 says:


    Serial under-achievers do not make the CL for 16 consecutive seasons. I won’t bother to list our achievements as you obviously only equate achievement with silverware………….

  77. chas says:
  78. goonermichael says:

    He’s agreed to the move which will complete when the window opens Micky The chavs have signed a winger too


    Thank you for the post Rocky. Lets give Gerv next season and then maybe some of our questions will be answered. The only thing we can be sure of at the moment is that he has a hugh forehead.

    Herb, my dear fellow, a couple of quick points.

    The Forbes rich list is based on turnover not on profit, and just as importantly suger daddy handouts. We are not under acheiving.

    Also, with the Diaby question and his constant injury problems, were not the same questions been asked about RVP?

  80. mickydidit89 says:

    I do have a theory about “whingers” although its a bit political. It does concern people’s “rights” to everything as opposed to “earning the right”.
    “I want it, and I want it now, and what’s more, I have the right to want it now”.
    Something along those lines anyhow.

  81. herbsarmy says:


    maybe if we showed more passion and hunger for the battles on the field instead of meekly surrendering far too often during those last five years, there would be less to whinge about.

  82. GunnerN5 says:

    Your chart shows the exact period of time that I have watched and supported Arsenal – It’s pretty easy to see why i’m so Pro Wenger.

  83. mickydidit89 says:

    Does that still allow Dick Law time to cock up the fine details, or is everything done?

  84. chas says:

    So you agree, we aren’t at any sort of ‘crossroads’, but just that some like to moan?

  85. mickydidit89 says:

    Wow. Impressive chart. Especilly if your name is “Only One Arsene Wenger” 🙂

  86. chas says:

    GN5, as the article that GIE posted this morning which included that diagram said, ‘draw your own conclusions’. 🙂

  87. mickydidit89 says:

    oh god, “especiAlly”.

  88. TotalArsenal says:

    Chas! I was going to do the same. The graph tells it all!

    I met up with a friend of mine last week, a Manc season-ticket holder. I thought he would be nervous/excited about the game on Monday, but it shocked me how flat, and yet cocky at the same time, he was. He is convinced they get at least a draw tonight, but was he excited about it? No, not at all. This tells me that winning silverware, although important, is not the most important thing in football. It is all about playing good, enjoyable football with the hope of winning something now and again. Arsenal might not have won a lot of silverware recently, but we still played the most enjoyable football in the UK, and almost in Europe over the last few years. Even this season we played some good footie and we beat the Chavs, Citeh, Milan, Dortmund, Udinese, Marseille, Liverpool at Anfield, and we trashed the Spuds at home. Enough to celebrate. Hopefully we make another step forwards next season.

  89. chas says:

    Here’s the article again for those that missed it. Parts 1 and 3 of the trilogy are fun to read as well.

  90. goonermichael says:

    What does serial underachievers actually mean?

  91. How weird, on the day I question the proposed signing of Poldolski It Is official !. Hope he proves a success but were not talking a Suarez, Aguero or a Hazard, so I hope this means by buying a relatively cheap player ( £10m ? ), It means we will go for a ” Super Quality ” as well, maybe Goetze, Eriksen or similar as I am worried ( just a gut feeling, no evidence ) Wiltshire may be a crock, I was there at the Emirates Cup, he walked off, no stretcher stuff, yet It seems a hell of a long time for what looked like an average ankle injury, hope I`m wrong and that we haven`t got a ” Diaby Mark 2 “.


    Vey pleased about Poldoski. If Gerv hits the ball like a balerina, this should be compensated by Poldoski who hits a ball like Thor the God of Thunder. A good start to the pre season, and were not even in pre season yet.

    Rasp, i should like to take you to task. Your comments regarding Wengers assertion that there will be little transfer activity this summer has bought the salt out in you again. I ask you to reach for the sugar instead, our transfer dealings are not affected by what is hapening in the football envoiremnt and beyond, rather it is our competitors who will feel the strain of this changng climate.

    We are very very close to a side that is capable of winning the league. In fact, the signing of Poldoski today could just tip the balance in our favour. In fact, today is the day we probably sealed the title next season.

  93. herbsarmy says:

    No Chas I don’t agree.
    As I said yesterday, Arsenal won their 11th title in 1998, putting us level at that time with MU. Today they’re going for their 20th. A club is defined by it’s success. That’s why fans are dissatisfied.
    Really GN5? Apart from one final, our record in CL is poor. Chelsea are in their second final.
    Who should we compare ourselves against, anyone that isn’t winning major trophies?

  94. chas says:

    It means some people aren’t happy unless they’re moaning.

  95. Rasp says:

    TMHT, take me to task by all means.

    I qualified my statement by saying that I think it unlikely that we will be able to move Denilson, Bendtner or Vela on as no-one is going to match the wages we are paying them – and this will be likely to reduce our activity in terms of bringing new players in. I stand by that statment.

  96. chas says:

    So where is this ‘crossroads’?
    I’m off to bang my head against a brick wall.

  97. jnyc says:

    Rocky! you are the man. Great article! I think i was the only person to post something positive about gervihno here yesterday. I am in total agreement, the stats and comparisons you provided onky make me mire sure of what ive been saying.
    ive been going by early season promise he showed, and some very nice stats from lille last season. But also his hard work tracking back has been more than i expected.
    im trying not to be overly optimistic, but i do believe he will improve his finishing. And i am suggesting that he help
    himself and the team by skipping the acn next time.

    and i think alot of the posters here have been a little harsh on him, considering his great potential.

  98. herbsarmy says:

    Or it means we’re happy to stand back and watch the parade go by without us.
    We’ve been down-graded and should be delighted to settle for 3rd/4th, and any games we get in CL after the group stage are an added bonus.

  99. mickydidit89 says:

    I do understand how and why some define their Clubs’ success in terms of trophies, however, for me there is just so much more to it than that.
    For example, it now looks certain that I won’t be going to the last game of the season and a large part of that is simply that its a 12:45 kick off, which means I won’t be able to enjoy the company of friends for a few hours before the game (or a kebab).
    Going to a game is a nine hour round trip and is worth every minute come win, draw or lose, because its the whole experience. Great football and winning is simply icing on the cake.

  100. It`s a Motel In the Midlands somewhere, you might have gone past it on the way to Land of the Orcs, ask Benny or miss Diane !

  101. herbsarmy says:

    Simple Chas. Are we happy to be left behind and risk becoming an ‘Everton’ or ‘Aston Villa’, or do we make some serious investment to take us up to the next level, as we were promised the move to The Emirates was all about?

  102. mickydidit89 says:

    That clip’s so funny and so true 🙂

  103. WiganGooner says:


    What do you consider serious investment? What players are you after?


  104. Herb,
    I should imagine that the “promise” at the time was measured against the other clubs finances at the time. If Abramobitch hadn`t come along ( and then the sheiks) I`m sure we would be looking at a few more Trophy`s in the cabinet. Be patient my friend as I trust FFP to sort the problem out, our class will rise to the top again.
    Just ask Terry ! 🙂

  105. mickydidit89 says:

    Carroll at £35m and Torres at £50m. Guarranteed success Mate 🙂

  106. GunnerN5 says:

    To me football is a total experience with hope, joy and sorrow all thrown together.

    If it was all about trophies then I would have stopped supporting Arsenal in 1953 because we never won another trophy for 16 seasons. Just imagine what I would have missed out on if all I was interested in was silverware.

  107. WiganGooner says:


    Are you being facetious? 😉


  108. herbsarmy says:

    Ultimately, football is all about glory and being able to boast to your mates and peers that you support the best club in the world, and you’ve got a trophy cabinet to back your claim.
    Yes people love a good moan/whinge, just as much as people are scared of change. Sometimes you just have to roll the dice and gamble. And whether you like it or not, there are many dissenting Arsenal fans who want change.

  109. My last comment has just made me think. No Abramobitch, No Sheiks, What would have the Chavs and Citys future and past have looked like ?. £2 Billions ( just a guess ) worth of investment never used, I wonder looking back , where would have some of them Trophy`s gone to ?, would we have won the league in 2005 making another double ?.

  110. Red Arse says:

    Micky, @2:38 – how very true! 🙂

    GN5, @2:51 – ditto! 🙂


    I am pleased to see you back on AA. My only caveat is the bright, shiny, optimistic butterfly that emerged from the early Herb depressed ‘chrysalis’ seems to have perished and the original Herb has re-emerged. Still pleased to see you tho’! 🙂


    Rasp, one way or another we will move these players on. We have suffient resources to add quality to the squad, todays events prove this point. We will put in our most serious chalange for the league since the last time we won it and with a bit of luck will win it.

    The reason i take you to “task”, is that you view things so differently to me. My initial reaction reading that Wenger comment was delight, in that i see it as a positive step, were as looking from outside yours seemed downcast, mind you the thought of Denilson staying is enough to drop any ones mood. hahahaha

  112. There`s plenty of dissenting Manu fans that want change ( No Glaziers ) even though they have won loads of Trophy`s, There`s no pleasing some people !.

  113. TotalArsenal says:

    Herb, football is about beauty, the fine memories, the camaraderie, winning now and again something special, and not about the size of the trophy cabinet, or the ability to boast to your mates: they are an added bonus – not the other way around.

  114. Dandan says:

    Herb that is so easy, just change your club mate, do that three or four times in a lifetime and you will win a world record amount of pots.

    on the other hand you could be a lifelong supporter,accept that there are only 3 pots to win per season, unless like us you are lucky enough to get a punt at a fourth every year against Europes top clubs. Do that and you will be a happy chappy and also win your share of pots along the way. Simples. Lol

  115. Red Arse says:

    Hi Glicster, 🙂

    Your 11:27; “In fact, I am so handsome, It`s that time of the day when I play Kiss chase with myself, I chase myself all around the house untill I corner myself In front of the full length Bedroom mirror and proceed to slobber myself with kisses”.

    I think there is a lot to be said for narcissistic tendencies, because you will always be faithful to the one you love the most!! 🙂

  116. Rasp says:

    TMHT @ 3:10,

    There are only 2 ways we will move these players on – either we sell them or we wait for their conrtracts to expire. The former is far preferable and the normal way of doing business if a player is under 28 – unfortunately our past generosity has come back to bite us on the bum.

    I completely disagree with your assumption that we have the resources. I’m pretty sure that our wage bill is already higher than the club would like to see and I doubt we’ll be laying out much more on wages unless we can sell/release a couple of players.

    Podolski’s wages will probably be mostly made up of what we are going to be saving on Almunia who I believe will be out of contract.

  117. herbsarmy says:


    real wingers would be a start. McGeady and Johnson down either flank. Benzema would probably have been available last summer for the right money. All we seem to have been watching for the last five years is ‘future potential’, what about the here and now. Maybe the signings of Arteta, Mertersacker, Santos and Podolski represent a change in philosophy.
    Hi GliC. I heard the Arsenal special they did recently on 5Live, and we are gambling on FFP to work, although as it was pointed out, it could be difficult trying to impose any sanctions on super-rich clubs, with the possibility of them breaking away from UEFA and setting up their own elite tournament.

  118. Look Herb, The futures bright, the futures Red and White.
    As I said , ask Terry, he see`s Trophy`s in the not too distant future as clearly as he see`s Uranus through he`s Telescope !. 😆

  119. goonermichael says:

    As you didn’t answer the question. If we compare ourselves to other clubs that don’t win anything then We’re not underachieving we are at our level.

  120. SharkeySure says:

    Herb 2.04. “And neither have got us closer to actually winning anything.”

    Thats it Herb…its all the fault of the players who don’t actually play. Lol

  121. Red Arse says:

    TerryM, 🙂

    I agree with your comments this p.m. on two points.

    I believe when AW said fans might be surprised that there will not be as much transfer activity as they expect, he was not just referring to Arsenal.

    UEFA, are setting up a panel consisting of lawyers and accountants to ‘police’ the Financial Fair Play rules, and the £400m City sponsorship contract with the airline owned by the Sheikh’s brother is already being scrutinised.

    Chelsea and City will be stuffed if they buy ‘big’ this Summer, and that might be behind Arsene’s comment.

    Secondly, and I have already said this previously, (tautology?) that Arsenal will/can/should move on Bendy, Denilson and Co by not asking for a transfer fee, and possibly paying them compensation .

    The cost is peanuts in the grand scheme of things and will be reduced by the savings in their salaries, and makes sound business sense. [trust me – Terry is an accountant folks!] 🙂

  122. SharkeySure says:

    “Ultimately, football is all about glory and being able to boast to your mates and peers that you support the best club in the world, and you’ve got a trophy cabinet to back your claim.”

    I really couldn’t disagree more. Frankfully, TA has edited and written up the thoughts I had in ‘draft’ and posted them at 3.14. Cheers TA

  123. Redders, True.
    I will never be unfaithfull to that handsome bastard in the mirror ! 🙂
    But who cares If Chelsea , Man City, PSG, Malaga and Anzhisomething set up their own league, the Big teams like us, Manu, RM, Barca, Bayern will not be affected by FFP and the aforementioned dont matter !.

  124. herbsarmy says:

    Hi RedA

    I was uber optimistic right up until the QPR and Wigan defeats. Something Rasp said struck a chord of discontent, and got me thinking that we are stuck like a car-wheel buried in the mud.
    Identikit midfield players not knowing what to do and getting in each others way. Same old same old. Time moves on, but we stick to a tired failed tactic that offers no hope.

  125. SharkeySure says:

    Look up and down the country…there’s not an empty football stadium in the land.

    Wolves fans travelled to Swansea one week after they were relegated and saw their team go 0-2 down very very quickly. Do you think those fans drove there or back talking about their trophy cabinet..??

    Look at Citeh when they were 3rd tier…still got big crowds after two relegations. Thats really what football is about.

    Why else are fans at places like Tranmere, Torquay or Scunthorpe every week..??

  126. SharkeySure says:

    “tired failed tactic that offers no hope.”

    …which got us to 3rd place with two games to go.

    Herb – apologies for seemingly dissecting your every comment…but you’re absolutely killing me today.

  127. Oh my God, Herbs killed Sharkey !

  128. herbsarmy says:

    Wow! Difficult to answer so many people at the same time.
    GM – serial under-achievers? Us when you consider our stature and history, and the biggest mistake the club has ever made in the summer of 1986.
    Sharkey – Not playing but still draining the club’s resources on very generous wages.
    Dandan – Hi, hope your wife is feeling better. In ’98 we were level with MU in terms of titles and 1 European Cup short. Now we’re almost seven titles and three European Cups behind. Is that what we call progress?



    Your incorrect. We do have resources to procure players, as witnessed by todays purchase. Attempting to tie in Poldolskis signiture with the departure of Alumina is misleading. You also state that wages is a major concern, and whilst i agree it is the number 1 issue when it comes to football finances, wages will continue to rise which will be accounted for by increased turnover.
    Our turnover will spike upwards in the next couple of years through increased commercial income a result of the unlocking of the Emirates deals. In conclusion then, we have massive growth potential from yet unrealised commercial deals which will dictate today what we spend on transfers and wages.

  130. herbsarmy says:

    Sharkey, given the lack of quality in the PL this season, the title was there to be won if we’d shown a bit more bottle.


    Redders, absoloutly spot on. We are in a very good financial position and our management is second to none. We have a pool of players that are very close to fullfulling expectations and today we procure Poldoski.

    We will chalange for the league next season, and have a great chance of winning it,

  132. TotalArsenal says:

    Just imagine what we would have achieved this season if EITHER of Diaby or Wilshere would have been able to play a full season for us, fully fit and chopping at the bit, and at least one LB and one RB had been fit throughout the season. Still we are likely to finish third, above mega-spenders Chavs, Pool and 15 other clubs.


    Herb, if we showed more bottle? This isnt a ruck down the old kent road. We have a strategy in place that is about to reap dividends, and yes, i want the Champions League as badly as you, and next year we might just do it.

  134. F**k me, It`s stopped raining, It`s been a nightmare, the ground was so saturated that the water table was high and water was bubbling out onto the surface, which is a problem having a sceptic tank and soak-a-ways,,I had floating Totnumbs back filling my pipework, couldn`t flush for two days.
    I was building my Little Emirates but i`m now building an Ark instead, the original had two of every animal on board, I`m going down a differant path, I`m having two lezzers from every country in the world on mine, My Ark ,my rules !. I`m gunner need some ship mates for Captain glic`s pleasure cruise, any takers !

  135. Rasp says:

    TMHT, with due respect I don’t think I am incorrect and none of your suppositions dissuade me from my view. Yes it is true that we should expect an increase in commercial revenue, but that has not yet happened and will be a year or two away. Past history backs my view that we are very careful with the money.

    The idea of balancing the gain from releasing Almunia against the cost of employing Podolski is basic accounting isn’t it?

  136. Red Arse says:


    I am sure neither of us wants to get into ‘accounting’ again, but you do have a bit of a hangup with ‘worth’, as if it divines how often a club should win trophies.

    In tennis, the top 4, (including Andy Murray) should share out the trophy spoils equally, but his just is not so. In any given year either one or the other tends to carry off most of the Grand Slams. Does that mean the other 3 are rubbish, or that their fans should pillory them for not winning? I don’t think so.

    The Forbes List of ‘Richest’ Clubs are;

    1 Manchester United, Worth: $2.2bn, Rev: $532m

    2 Real Madrid, Worth: $1.9bn, Revenue: $695m

    3 Barcelona , Worth: £1.3bn Revenue: $653m

    4 Arsenal, Worth: $1.3bn, Revenue: $364m

    5 Bayern Munich, Worth: $1,3bn, Revenue: $466m

    Forget the “Worth”, that’s simply the valuation of the shares, in Arsenal’s case, that Usmanov and Kroenke have bought the club for. So what?

    If you look at the “Revenues” above, Arsenal’s income at $364m is $330m lower than Real Madrid’s, almost $300m lower than Barcelona’s and approx $170m lower than Manu’s. We must be ‘poor’ boys! 🙂

    But what does that tell you? Without taking a club’s profitability into account or the amount of debt it has incurred, it really tells us very little, especially as the “REAL” power brokers, as in the really big spenders in recent years like Chelsea, Man City and even Liverpool they don’t figure in the top 5, because those clubs have had funds pumped into them outside the normal rules of a viable business.

    We really need to move away from this “we are the “x” wealthiest club in the world, so therefore we should win “y” number of trophies”.

    It does not compute Mr Spock! 🙂

  137. herbsarmy says:

    Hi Totaal,

    Liverpool and Chelsea in two Cup-Finals each, showing an intent to appease their fans, or did you forget that? What will finishing above Chelsea prove IF they bring home the CL?

  138. TotalArsenal says:

    Herb, are you not getting tired of this? You are regurgitating the same questions and arguments as you did on at least three other occasions in the last 12 months, and you are getting exactly the same replies! Especially now that we are likely to finish third and most fans will accept this is a phenomenal achievement given the circumstances, I think you will keep banging your head against the same old wall, here on AA.

    The question for you is, why then keep doing it? What is the fun, the purpose of it?

    The owners are under no moral obligation to spend their own money in the club, and most of the fans do not want the BoD to load the club with a massive debt. Yes, the club has a number of players that need shifting and this will take time and effort. So, why don’t you write a comment or a post on how the club should proceed given the above situation?

  139. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Herb,

    Have you forgotten that Chelsea do not play by the rules? How much did they spend since Abramovitch took over? If they win the CL, and that is a big IF, this would be simply the result of buying it. You could see their embarrassed of riches, the other day, when they played their ‘second string’ against us. We cannot compete against that, and yet, yet we are likely to finish above them in the PL. This means a lot, but obviously not to you.

  140. kelsey says:

    Bloody hell.

  141. Red Arse says:


    The saving in Almunia’s salary is to off-set the tea Ladies’ Xmas Bonus 2012.

    The Pod’s salary will come out of an increase in sales of Walkers’ Crisps at the emirates ——— oh,oh, that’s not going to work now after Linekers nonsense on MOTD —————— quick, tell Pod it’s all off!!! 🙂


    Rasp, you can spend in anticipation of future expected revenue, especialy when you have cash reserves like Arsenal, just like in expectation of Aluminas departure, funds are available for our new players wages. These are complicated areas, but the bigger financial picture always outweighs the simplistic argument about the departure of Almunia and arrival of Poldoski, and i repeat, we are in a very strong position to procure players and add to the wage bill.

  143. Red Arse says:

    Explain yourself, oh Hairy One! “Bloody hell”? Wassat? 🙂

  144. Chelsea had something that doesn`t come into ” accountantcy or equations “, F**king luck, they had more luck than a Leprechaun holding a 4 leaf clover, tripping over a pot of gold, holding the euro lottery winning ticket and falling face down into Beyonce`s cat !.

    ps although they did put up a good rear guard action that was quite commendable.

  145. herbsarmy says:

    Are you representing the site, TA, as a life-long Gooner?
    It’s only opinion, and it’s my opinion that since the change in tactics and the loss of Bergkamp, we have not kept pace with our rivals.

  146. WiganGooner says:

    @Herb 3:18

    “Real Wingers” wouldn’t work in our formation. We use our wide men to supplement Robin in attack, a real winger would stick to the touchline and bang in crosses all day, not something that would suit a solitary striker like Robin, especially when heading the ball isn’t his forte.

    Gervinho is an inside forward, as is Theo, as is Benayoun and as is Arshavin (although he prefers to be the false 10). We don’t have wingers because they don’t fit our style of play.

    Or are you suggesting a change of style or formation or personnel?


  147. Rasp says:

    😆 RA

    TMHT, I think my painting of the scenario is in keeping with past performance and yours is in keeping with your uber positive way of looking at all things Arsenal.

  148. goonermichael says:

    I’m guessing you mean not getting ferguson as the mistake in 1986. We can’t know for sure if he would have had the same success here but on a personal level I’d rather not have the trophies and not have that piece of shit as our manager. I think the man is totally classless. Successful yes but a (word not allowed on here). I’d rather have Wenger anyday just like I’d have Van Persie over a granny shagging pikey inbred or a racist like terry.

  149. goonermichael says:

    We WILL end up with the same number of trophies as one of the manchester clubs. We also did better than both of them in Europe


    Rasp, your wrong about that as well. hahaha. But i respect your views, you are a fine Gooner Sir.

  151. RockyLives says:

    Good debate going on.

    I’m at work so can’t contribute too much I’m afraid.

    Herb and Rasp, you won’t be surprised to know that I feel more positive than either of you two, but I hear what you’re saying and, in a way, you reflect the five percent of doubt that’s hiding in there along with my optimism!

    Personally I think the chart that shows our final league positions since 1947 says it all. I doubt we’ll ever have a manager as good as AW again.

  152. Red Arse says:


    In addition, it is all too easy to forget the huge amount of money Ferguson spent on players. Ferdinand £30m, HorseFace £10m, Rooney £30m, Carrick £18m, Stam £10m etc, etc, and don’t forget that money for transfers would be much higher today because of inflation!

    Ferguson, in his day, bought titles too! Manyoos debt is partly as a result of that expenditure!

  153. kelsey says:

    All credit to Herb, he is entitled to his point of view and is holding his corner well.I am just a poor boy(reminds me of a song) no accountant, but which ever way you look at it our total wage bill is currently fourth highest even if that includes all staff and there is an arguement that we are carrying a number of players on above average salaries.
    However it is about supporting the club, regardless of the manager and acually taking all things into account this season we have done remarkably well, wherever we finish.
    I can’t accept that we will only win a tile again if we wait for most of our challengers go to the wall, or the men like Abramovich suddenly lose interest.
    I won’t even go into the debate about gervinho/henry it is a no brainer.
    I like most of us have watched all our games this season and even allowing for the dreadful misfortune of losing our entire back four and a rookie keeper in his first full season, just when I thought consistency was there we start to wobble.
    I have come to the conclusion that
    more players than ever will be shipped out this summer

    one or at the most two of he reserves like le coq will feature regularly next season

    We will still buy at least two players and if not as has been suggested by some, wenger will leave and the basics will be there for a better squad the year after.

    We can’t compete with he money boys but we could definately add some quality to the squad.
    Finally with Pod agreed terms is he to play with RVP or to replace him. (Knowing our history, i am not so sure.)

    I will support as always regadless where we finish this or next season.

  154. mickydidit89 says:

    I do bow down to your persistence and resilience.

  155. herbsarmy says:

    GM – There’s no accounting for hatred on tha level. Do you know the man personally? Or can’t you hack the fact that he’s a better manager than AW?:

  156. Rasp says:

    Hi Rocky, Herb and I may be blogging concurrently but we are not making the same point. I have never considered winning trophies to be the be all and end all. My point is about us doing the best we can with the resources available.

  157. Rasp says:

    I also do not consider my view to be negative – but them we’ve been here before, I see it just as accepting the reality of the situation.

  158. Rasp says:

    TMHT, well why didn’t you tell me I was wrong before, it could have saved a lot of time – I thought I was just expressing my opinion 🙄

  159. herbsarmy says:

    Hi Rasp,
    we are blogging concurrently on slightly different topics, but the main thrust of my argument would be that we have under-achieved with the resources we have and that we haven’t made the best use of them.


    Slightly of topic. How does one get to have that little picture thingy next to there name instead of that silly squidly thing ive got. What is this computer miracle that i fail so miserably to grasp? I plan to post a picture of myself once all my dental work is complete in 2 weeks. You will all need your sunglasses to deflect the brightness. hahaha

  161. kelsey says:

    chas is your man, tootlhess wonder, hahaha 🙂


    Yes Rasp, its an opinion i do not share, but as i said i respect your view.

  163. herbsarmy says:

    If you watch McGeady and Johnson, they are both quite adept at playing as inside-forward. They take defenders on and beat them, and both weigh-in with their fair share of goals.

  164. Red Arse says:


    In the interest of balance, and because I love you really, 🙂 altho’ in a very manly way, I agreed with Terry’s point earlier that Arsenal can afford quite a decent splash in the transfer market, I also agree with you that recent history agrees with you on Arsene’s transfer policy.

    We spent quite a chunk on transfers last Summer, on the last day, and overall to good effect, but none of them were ‘big value’ transfers.

    This year is different, we only need two or three acquisitions to bolster the squad, but they need to be “top, top quality players” in Arsene’s own words, but that implies “top, top money” and history, as you say, makes me think Arsene will be unable to make himself commit to spending at that level. So you could be right too! 🙂

  165. kelsey says:

    I don’t care, ignore me 🙂

    I just said that hunky.

  166. Hi all

    I’ve just found an email from Rocky from last night saying that his son had broken his arm and was waiting to have an op. He would only be able to write a post if he had time on his hands at the hospital.

    Thank you Rocky for your devotion to AA duty and wishing your son a speedy and comfortable recovery xx

  167. WiganGooner says:


    I assume you are talking about Aidan McGeady? I’ve seen a bit of him but nothing that has shown me what you have mentioned, however this was when he was at Celtic and still very young.

    As for Johnson, who is this? 🙂 I like to consider myself fairly knowledgeable about players from my forays with Football Manager, but I have no idea who that chap is…What’s his first name?


  168. WiganGooner says:


    Re: your earlier post I fully intend to write an article for AA sooner rather than later…I have a few ideas that need filling out so don’t worry, I’m no busted flush 🙂


  169. Rasp says:

    Thanks RA, the only 2 or 3 acquisitions and we will conquer all argument has been put forward for the last 4 or 5 years and the outcome has always been the same.

    I agree with TMHT and you that there are fundamental changes taking place (FFP, changing economic climate in football etc) but I do not think they will take effect this year and their future influence cannot accurately be predicted.

  170. WiganGooner says:

    Three Cheers for Rocky!!

    Hip Hip Hooray!

    Hip Hip Hooray!

    Hip Hip Hooray!

    Great job as always Rocky, you know you’re loved 🙂


  171. chas says:

    Go to this site.

    Click on Sign Up.
    Type your email address in. They will send an email with a link which will allow you to set your password.
    Then log in, click on My Account/Add an image.
    Crop the picture as you so desire and log out.
    Then you have to log in to WordPress using the blue W symbol below the comment box while on AA and Bob’s yer Uncle.

  172. herbsarmy says:

    Thanks Micky, we all see the same things differently.
    Hi Kelsey, if I’d known answering your question would cause so much unrest among AA’ers I may have been best keeping my opinion to myself.

  173. 26may1989 says:

    Underachievers are people who achieve less than is expected. The problem has been the unrealistic expectations of one portion of Arsenal’s fanbase, that we would continue to blaze trails despite having six years with no money to spend. And that’s without counting the impact of the unpredictable arrival of the sugar daddies.

    So no, I would absolutely not accept that Wenger’s Arsenal at any stage could be called serial underachievers. In fact, managing to keep the club in the top places, getting us to a couple of finals and seeing us have at least two decent runs at the title in that time counts to me as far, far more impressive than anything any other manager has achieved, bar none. Wenger could (and from a selfish point of view, perhaps should) have left to join Chelsea or Real, with much more money for him and transfers, and virtually guaranteed silverware, but he didn’t. He was loyal to us. And how do we repay that? In the case of many, with ill-informed second-guessing, insults and disrespect. Having watched the way a significant proportion of Arsenal fans have behaved in recent years, I’m afraid I will forever hold some of them in contempt.

    But I do go along with some of the criticisms that Herb makes: he says the players should have shown more passion and hunger for the battles on the field. Absolutely right, it doesn’t cost a penny to show more grit and determination, and in any sport, it can get you a long way (just think back to “Rocky” – the film that is, not the fine Canada-based Arsenal observer). And I would also accept that, even ignoring the fact that Wenger has worked magic in recent years by making things continue to function without a transfer budget, we haven’t always got the best out of what we have – the first example to come to mind is that bloody League Cup Final last year. But there was also the shockingly timid, gutless run-in for the title, when we managed to finish fourth in a two-horse race. Simply unforgivable.

    Of course change is sometimes necessary – now that we are not burdened with debt, it is perfectly fair to ask if we have the best manager we could. For me the answer is still yes, but others will disagree, and that is their right. I just wish they would acknowledge the enormity of the achievement of the recent season, even while maintaining the criticisms.

    As for the more existential point, is football really about glory and being able to boast about supporting the best club? Perhaps I thought that a long time ago but going to Arsenal matches in the early 1980s beat it out of me. The glory isn’t from the silverware, it’s from the drama and genius of what happens on the pitch and how that melds with what’s in the stands. I honestly don’t care much about the FA Cups won in 1993 and 2005, the League Cup won in 1993 or the European Cup Winner’s Cup won in 1994, because the way we won those trophies was just so banal, what is there to take pride in? Winning games this season, like the 5-3 or the 5-2 or the 3-0 against Milan mean so much more, as do glorious defeats like the 2001 FA Cup Final or the CL Final. Perhaps I’m alone in feeling this way, but Herb, you and I are just not on the same page on this one.

    Obviously, we’d both be happy if Arsenal could return to the glory-glory days of 1998, 2002 and 2004!

    Much more importantly, we signed POLDI, bloody excellent!!! One more super quality AM, get the contracts of RvP et al sorted and we can all have that most unusual of things, the angst-free Arsenal summer!!!!!

  174. WiganGooner says:


    I certainly enjoy you commenting on here. You’re honest and your opinions matter to me. You’re a reasoned commenter and the web needs more like you.


  175. herbsarmy says:


    Adam Johnson who cost £7m from Middlesbrough.

  176. chas says:

    I only responded to you to find out where this mythical ‘crossroads’ was. I now know it only exists in your head.

  177. Red Arse says:


    When discussions go on for a protracted time, with no possibility of anyone changing their position, it usually spirals into irritability on all sides.

    Can we all agree to change the subject, before AAers fall out?
    I think the opinions of everyone are now well aired and known to each other.

    You were obviously around in the George Graham era, and I would like to know your opinion on the contrasting “mentality” of his team going to ‘Pool’ needing two goals to win the Championship that year, in the final game of the season, and the current team needing two fairly comfortable sounding wins against Wigan and Stoke to guarantee 3rd place and blowing it?

    What’s the difference between them?

  178. WiganGooner says:


    Ahh thank you 🙂 – I like Adam Johnson, I think he suffers a little from lack of playing time and I think he is a bit inconsistent, because of the playing time no doubt.

    He might even be available this summer….

    Arsene has said before that he likes him as a player…who knows what might happen.


  179. herbsarmy says:

    That’s right Chas, the last seven (and counting) trophy-less years are all in my head. Didn’t really happen. Or did it?

  180. Rasp says:

    Thanks Rocky for coming up with such a great post when you had far more pressing matters to attend to.

    And once again, best wishes to th dandanclan in their continued strife, hope Mrs dandan can pout this all behind her.

    I would never disagree with anyone who says that health and family come way before football.


    Thanks Chas.

  182. I`m off to Physio tomorrow to try and sort out my damn calfs. Mrs glic also has Physio for her Osteoarthritas, It`s at an early stage, she would be too young to have hip replacements at this stage anyway, but when she finally has to have the suggery, i think I will greet her with a similar chant to WG`s.

    Hip Hip Replacement
    Hip Hip Replacement
    Hip Hip Replacement

  183. Red Arse says:

    Damn, this is a bit annoying, but I have to agree totally with M’Learned Friend 26.

    You have encapsulated exactly my own thought processes regarding what can be construed as ‘success’ for my club, my team, my manager and it is not always defined by trophies.

    The FA Cup 2005, [I was out of the UK, at the time] but I watched it with great anticipation in a NY bar, and having watched manure play us off the park, only for us to win so luckily with penalties.
    I was deeply unimpressed, and frankly embarrassed with the rejoicing of some Gooners.

    I was pleased with the result, of course, but the manner and significance of the event has always been tarnished for me, and I do not recall it with any pleasure!

    No! Give me the beating of Barca at home last year; give me the excitement of coming within a decent Bendy shot of knocking Barca out at the Nou Camp; give me the heart pulsing victory over the Spuds coming back from 0:2 down by playing superlative football — now that’s what makes me a Gunner!! 🙂

  184. Red Arse says:

    Glic, 🙂

    Incorrigible!! 🙂

  185. Red Arse says:

    It seems my entreaty to chill out and change the subject are falling on deaf ears.

    I have better things to do with my life, so I bid the rest of you, adieu!

  186. LB says:

    I think we should ship Podolski out now!

    I mean, if he gets a serious injury and is out for the best part of this season won’t that represent a waste of money. But wait, wouldn’t we need a crystal ball to know if that is going to happen? Of course we would, the same as we would have needed a crystal ball to foresee the injuries that awaited Rosicky, Van Persie and yes, Diaby.


    You obviously have one of these crystal balls, would you be kind enough to lend it to Arsenal, that way they need never sign a player who ever gets a single injury.

    There will be a down side of course and that is you won’t have anything to moan about.

  187. goonermichael says:

    No herb I don’t know him personally. I just go by what he says and does. I also go by the documentary that was made (from the transcript of his unfair dismissal tribunal) about him. He has one corrupt son and one wife beater son. He is also a bully. Is it because he’s better or more successful than Wenger? I doubt it as Maurunho is better than ferguson (by a mile) and I don’t hate him.

  188. LB says:


    Unless your wife is a teenager and still growing then she is not too young to have a hip replacement.

    Ask this question, why would you want your wife to go on suffering?

    You don’t, so why delay? The whole point of a replacement is to stop the pain.

    Yes, I have had one and I cycle around 200k per week and when I am not cycling I am swimming.

    Best thing I ever had done, the only regret I have is not having it done earlier.

    (GLIC, I am adding this bit, the idea that someone is too you to have that operation is lie put out by our National Health service in an attempt to save money, think about that, it is obviously true)

  189. goonermichael says:

    I don’t know Hitler, Pol Pot, Kony ar Stalin personally and they were never on my Christmas card list

  190. 26may1989 says:

    LB @ 5:26, both funny and on the button!

    By the way LB, what are your preferred makes of road bike? Need to get that purchase sorted very soon, and am not very knowledgeable on that side of the bike market, so any advice gratefully received and all that.

  191. LB says:

    Ohh, 26 thank you, thank you, thank you that question has just given me goose bumps.

  192. goonermichael says:

    “Ultimately, football is all about glory and being able to boast to your mates and peers that you support the best club in the world, and you’ve got a trophy cabinet to back your claim.”

    Why do all the shit clubs have fans?

    I know a Wimbledon fan. He doesn’t have a club anymore. I know people who support teams that will never win anything.

  193. mickydidit89 says:

    Suspension front and back, big padded chair, loads of gears, massive mud guards and one of those hooters with a big round black squeezy thing. Sorted.

  194. herbsarmy says:

    You know what they say, Chas, its nice to be nice
    And if you can’t be nice, say nowt.
    Hi 26M, we’ll never really know if AW is the best we could get, how do we compare him? His reign at Monaco didn’t end well.
    RedA – George Graham? Scottish managers seem to develop a deep hunger for winning in football (losing isn’t an option), managers such as Shankly, Busby, Jock Stein, Ferguson and Graham are testimony to that. George Graham’s side was captained by Tony Adams, and he carried onto the field the passion and desire of the manager. They had steel, as seen in the infamous OT brawl in 1990/91, (for which we were docked two points and still comfortably won the title). Not sure if we have many like-minded characters at the club now, that’s the main difference.

  195. LB says:


    I could go on for hours but I will try and simplify it.

    Is it going to be your best summer bike, if yes, don’t skimp, you will regret it in six months.

    Frame: unless you have a love of stainless steel or Titanium then I suspect you will want carbon. Think of a brand if you like Colnago then I will recommend someone.

    The one tip that I learnt after I brought my super expensive frame is, always get the smallest frame you can for you size. Why? Because it weighs less and ascetically you can put one of those super long Belgian style stems on.

    Groupset: the choice is Shimano or Campagnolo, it’s Dura Ace if you want Shimano or I have been told Chorus is the same as Campag’s top end Super Record but half the price, although twice the weight, of course.

    Are you in Singapore? Everything has got to be a whole lot cheaper there, buy a very big suit case and max-out the credit card. lol

    Good luck

  196. LB.
    You seem to have hit a point here in your opinion of the NHS as my wife has been “advised”, that if she were to have surgery now, she would probably need It again when she`s in her 60`s ( she is now 55 ),like you say, it could be a cost thing other than a wellbeing of my wife thing. If the pain does get too unbearable, I will drag her to the Hospital. Thanks for the advise.

  197. RockyLives says:

    I wasn’t suggesting that your points and Herb’s are the same, just that (from my perspective) you are both leaning towards the negative (or what you would describe as ‘realistic’) view of our prospects.

    The thing is, I feel that my optimism is realistic too, based on what I can see in front of me: firstly, we have already dealt with one of the big failings of the period 2008-2011 – namely an over-reliance on young players (or Project Youth, as some like to call it). Now we have the likes of Arteta, Merts and Santos to add to the existing older players such as RvP, Sagna and Verm.

    And secondly, the Podolski signing seems to indicate that we have learnt lessons from last season’s transfer window mishaps.

    This gives me hope that we really will do better next season. A team with RvP (it’s important he stays), Walcott, Podolski, Wilshere, Arteta, Vermaelen, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Sagna, Ramsey and Szczesny, plus important squad players, will have a very decent chance of a serious tilt at the title.

    And if we add even more strength with another new signing or two, our prospects will improve even more.

  198. mickydidit89 says:

    That’s what I meant 🙂

  199. LB
    Seeing as like me you are the sporty type, maybe you can advise me. My calfs have been playing up for about a year and a half now and if the problem cant be solved then I might have to give up the running and 5 a-side, I was thinking of getting a decent exercise bike, in hoping the less pounding factor might be better, so how many miles ( or time ) on an exercise bike would be the equivalant to doing a 5 mile run, any idea ?.

  200. 26may1989 says:

    Cheers LB (and micky….).

    Not in Singapore now I’m afraid, so won’t be able to make savings that way. I’m a veteran commute rider but haven’t done any distance riding for yonks. Having acquired a buggered up knee, I can no longer do twisting sports (footy, squash, tennis, all out, until and unless I get some surgery – which is a possibility). All of which makes cycling my main thing (swimming is ok but bores me, and running just bores me).

    Hence I want to get a reasonable road bike and start getting out at the weekends for a few hours on a regular basis. I would say I’m fairly fit, with plenty of stamina, but still carry a few extra pounds. I’m no Mark Cavendish, but I can get back to enjoying day-long rides.

    If you reckon Colnago is a good brand to be looking at, I’ll do that. And if you think of any names to add to that, just let me know.

    Cheers matey, much appreciated.

  201. herbsarmy says:

    GM, if Ferguson did take the Arsenal job in 1986, and the situations were reversed between ourselves and MU, no doubt you would worship him. Has the BoD ever compensated the fans with a manager anywhere near the same ability? No.
    LB – Where has it got us, trhis policy of rewarding serially-injured players? Have any of them scored a title-winning/cup-winning goal for the club? Are we any nearer to that mythical winning line for showing remarkable loyalty? No.
    It would be a blessing not to have to worry about Arsenal, that I could with hand on heart, see a title or CL just around the corner.
    But I can’t, can you?

  202. jnyc says:

    Early signing shows intent, our pllayers and prospective signings will take notice

  203. RockyLives says:

    I’ve had to give up running because of dodgy knees – I’m a swimmer now (every morning before work).

    But when I ran I used to get calf problems until someone pointed out I was running ‘wrong’. If you don’t already do this, you should try running on the balls of your feet (i.e. so your footfall doesn’t impact on your heel).

    It’s harder than it sounds, because you have to shift your body weight forward so that you’re almost falling forward onto the balls of your feet, but it did make my calf problems go away (and don’t worry – the knee problems preceded the change in my running style so they weren’t caused by it).

    Just remember to land on the balls of your feet, not the feet of your balls 🙂

  204. Thanks Rocky
    The thing is, I have allways been running since I left school , over 40 years ( where the f**k is that finishing line ), this is newish problem and I do run a similar style to as you suggest. I`m having physio tomorrow and will see what they say, but also with the promise of some sort of scan if the physio doesn`t work. I`m looking at the less impact cycling as a way of keeping me ticking over.

  205. VCC says:

    Kelsey 4:29. If we sell RvP and just replace him with Podowski and not re invest the money on player/players, I, with plenty others will be seriously upset.

  206. LB says:


    I am afraid I don’t know anything about calfs, just hips. If you can’t do high impact exercise then cycling is the way to go. Like most things the biggest factor in buying a bike is how much do you want to spend?

  207. 26may1989 says:

    Herb: can I “hand on heart, see a title or CL just around the corner”?

    CL, no. But a title, yes, I can. Not definitely of course, but I feel some very important developments have happened this season. It’s so much more of a side than we’ve seen for a long time, recent years having been dominated too much by Fabregas and before him, Henry. We just need to smidgeon of recalibration to bring in more magic and we can most definitely give United a run for their money. As for City, they’ve thrown it away this year, and they may learn from that next year, but if not, we can be there or thereabouts.

    For me, this would be a fair summary of the best players in the division based on performances this year:

    Best GK in the PL: Hart, Krul or Szczesny
    Best CB: Kompany or Koscielny
    Best LB: Baines or Evra
    Best RB: Sagna
    Best DM/CM: Song, Arteta, Tiote, Cabaye or Scholes
    Best AM/winger: Silva or Bale
    Best forward: Rooney, van Persie, Ba, Suarez, Cisse or Aguero

    Plenty of Arse representation in there. Or do you think I’m wrong?

    Personally, I think we will be very good competition for the Manc clubs next year.

  208. Rocky, Concerned with my problems, I`ve just realised your last sentence ! 😆
    I have been known to be running and then think of something funny ( to me anyway ), then my rhythm goes all over the place and the locals look at me in bewilderment, wondering , who is this nutter running along laughing !.

  209. TotalArsenal says:

    Herb, the first sentence in your 4.14 comment was not necessary. You have every right to blog on AA, of course. I would not want to deprive anybody the wisdom of a lifelong Gooner like yourself. Let’s just say, it is best if we do not respond to each other comments any more.


    Cornwall,hahahaha, you shold try running wearing a silence of the lambs mask, i will let you borrow mine. You wont have to worry about the locals, they wil be running faster than you.

  211. Rasp says:

    Thanks Rocky,

    I don’t know quite how I got dragged into this. All I said originally was that it looks like Bendtner, Vela and Denilson will not be sold and therefore that will affect the number of new players we bring in – and I stand by that and do not consider it to be negative.

    Going by the reactions of some you’d think I said we were going to get relegated.

    AW is very clever and his statement that he thinks everyone will be surprised by the lack of transfer activity this summer also applies to Arsenal. It is not unusual for him to drop little hints like that at this time of year.

  212. LB
    I was thinking along the line of a stationary excercise bike simply because of a couple of reasons ,1) the weather, it rains a lot more here than London way. 2) My wife has been advised to use one, so she can have the double whammy of exerciseing and the “G-Spot ” pleasure of watching ,Emmerdale, East Enders and Coronation St at the same time !. I will take your advise and buy top range model, you get what you pay for !.


    Evening TA, were do you think Poldoski will play next season? He could be the key to turning us into champions.

  214. herbsarmy says:

    Since AW announced that 37 goals is too many to concede to win the title, every season has been worse than the one before.
    Cech is better than Szczesny, 26, or is that blind loyalty? Friedel would have been an ideal mentor for Szczesny.
    Song is another who divides opinion, and he’s certainly no Vieira. When he wants to do it, class, but he doesn’t want to do it often enough.
    If we were to sign a player of Bergkamp’s pedigree, then I would agree with you.

  215. Terry 😆
    That could be your avatar picture, you in your silence of the lambs mask, dancing to, kool and the gangs, ” get down on it ” on a Harlow GILF night ! 😆

  216. Terry
    Did you watch ” Not going out ” last Friday night, the scene of the “doggers” in their masks surrounding the car somehow had me thinking of you ! 😆

  217. RockyLives says:

    Sorry if I misinterpreted you – I wasn’t just responding to comments you’ve made today. I thought (but may be wrong) that you are sceptical about whether we will do enough this summer to make ourselves competitive for the title next year.

    I think we will, because we have 90% of a title winning team already. Although that comment is based on us retaining RvP and on Jack making a proper recovery.

  218. goonermichael says:

    It may suprise you to know that I know some very loyal Manu fans who dislike ferguson and don’t worship him at all. I’m glad you can read my mind thogh and know what I’d do.

  219. 26may1989 says:

    Herb, I’m with you re Song, I too have mixed feelings as he can blow very hot or pretty cold.

    But Cech? Really? I don’t think he’s played consistently well in 2 or 3 years. I’d put him behind not only Hart, Krul and Sz, but also al Habsi, Carson, Robinson, de Gea and Vorm. He used to be the best but has fallen a long way since that little scrote now at Wolves (forgotten his name) tried to brain him.

  220. herbsarmy says:

    It’s ok to have an opinion, and to disagree, but sometimes the way your questions come across is like you are a Headmaster trying to tell an unruly youngster how wrong he is. And I could be wrong, but as a character, I’m quite laid back and don’t appreciate what appears to me something akin to the Spanish Inquisition.
    As I said, I was answering Kelsey’s question from last night, and I don’t like hogging the blog.
    You write Posts like ‘Where should Jack Wilshere play next season?’ as though we somehow have that choice, or that you will pass all your responses on to AW personally. Some people enjoy engaging and discussing what will ultimately be the decision of one man. It’s not for me, but I wouldn’t dream of blogging to rubbish your work and the effort you put in.

  221. Rasp says:

    Thanks Rocky. No I am optimistic for next season if we can keep RvP and get Jack on the pitch and have either Mertesacker or Vertongen to work with kozzer and TV. I don’t think we can afford a top class midfield playmaker but the midfielders we have should be able to support the defence and create openings for the front three.

    I have only just read dandan’s post for tomorrow and can’t let the cat out of the bag but I think he talks a lot of sense.

    What I don’t believe is that we will suddenly shed our self-imposed financial shackles and splash out without first reducing the wages by letting players go – and I wouldn’t want us to.

    Bendtner, Vela and Denilson have all at different times said they don’t want to come back to Arsenal and so we will probably have to try to send them out on loan again unless a buyer comes in or they take a cut in wages to secure a move away.

    AW has said that they are coming back? We could be faced with having 6 strikers???? (in order of quality 😛 ) RvP, Podolski, Vela, Bendtner, Park and Chamakh – shame only the first two are of the required quality, but if they both stay fit, that is all we will need.


    hahaha, it wernt me Cornwall, i was home all night, honest.

    Herb, your certainly rattling some cages today. Will your opinions change about were the Club is heading if we win the Champions League next season?

  223. Hi guys, we have a post in drafts which we can use tomorrow or some time this week. If anyone wants to write something about tonight’s derby game then that’s a possibility for tomorrow, or just a general post on anything that takes your fancy 😉

  224. herbsarmy says:

    Ask those ‘level-headed’ MU fans if they would trade their 12/13 titles and two CL trophies to not have had Ferguson, GM.

  225. goonermichael says:

    Vela doesn’t want to come back He has said publicly he won’t come back. Park has told the press he is leaving. Park isn’t on big wages so I can’t see how we can’t sell him.

  226. RockyLives says:

    Hi Herb
    I’m enjoying your contributions today. You know your own mind and you are happy to fight your corner even if the majority are against you.

    To answer some points from your 6.46 (even though you addressed them to LB):

    I would rather have Szczesny than Cech.

    Song definitely has lapses in concentration and has off days, but I would say he is good 80% of the time.

    Bergkamp’s pedigree…. interesting. He was obviously a brilliant signing – arguably the first signing in the creation of the new Arsenal – but his career was in the doldrums when he joined us. So if you mean you would like us to sign a player who has been brilliant but whose career has stalled… I would probably agree with you, because if AW picked them he would do so believing he could re-ignite their career.

    The trouble is, players of Bergkamp’s class are very rare. He is the best I have ever seen in an Arsenal shirt and I don’t necessarily expect to see another as good in my lifetime.

    That doesn’t mean we can’t win things though!

    Regarding goals conceded… Our goals conceded this year were skewed by the 8-2 at ManUre and the 4-3 defeat at Blackburn before the transfer window closed. I know those were problems of our own making, but, as someone mentioned above, since October 1st we have had the third best defensive record in the league behind the two Manc clubs. And that includes a whole month without any orthodox full backs. That, for me, is a fantastically encouraging sign for next year.

    I have seen you say in the past (I think) that you can’t win anything without a solid base (i.e. defence). I agree with that and I believe we now have one, with four good CBs, four good FBs and an excellent ‘keeper. Our performances since Oct 1st seem to bear this out.

  227. goonermichael says:

    Having someone and “worshipping” someone is different Herb. Don’t move the goalposts. You said I would worship him.

  228. mickydidit89 says:

    I hope your son did not suffer too badly. Speedy recovery I hope.

  229. herbsarmy says:

    Hi Terry,

    yes, 100%. Then I would whole-heartedly agree that the club are matching the ambition of the fans.
    Or is ‘ambition’ a dirty word at The Arsenal?


    Hows your son Rocky?, trust everythings ok.

  231. Rasp says:

    gm, I know, I’ve said that Vela doesn’t want to come back – but AW has said he is?

    All I want is for us to learn our lesson and stop paying inflated wages to players in the hope they elevate their game to deserve such rewards, because the down side is that if they don’t make the grade, we can’t sell them.

  232. evonne says:

    why manu are wearing white shorts????!!!!

  233. goonermichael says:

    Peaches Vela himself has said if he has to go back he’ll talk to Wenger about leaving. He does not want to come back. Wenger doesn’t usually keep players who want out.


    Thats good Herb. We have the ambition, and next year have a great chance of winning it.

    Peaches, its not a question of learning lessons. The policy is to pay wages to young players to rival our competitors. thats why we managed to get the Ox and Ramsey. There are always going to be some that dont fulfill there potential, and the Club are fully aware of that.

  235. mickydidit89 says:

    I do think we have missed a fit Diaby very badly indeed. He would add real drive from the midfield as well as bringing the additional goals.
    I would have flogged Rosicky ages ago as a result of the perpetual injuries and look at what a season he has had.
    An attacking central midfielder of proven ability is probably the single most expensive pair of boots to fill. So pack Abou off to one of those horribly expensive places in Switzerland for the summer I say!

  236. Rasp says:

    gm, this is Rasp not peaches, the last comment went out under the wrong name. Do you think it is solely down to AW decide whether a player stays or goes? Its about wages. We will have been subsidising Vela’s wages whilst on loan, we can’t subsidise his wage s if we sell him and that’s why no team wants to buy him. If Vela really wants to go he has to accept less.

  237. mickydidit89 says:

    Quick sex change there Rasp, but hey, I take a very liberal view on these things.

  238. goonermichael says:

    If Vela wants to go he will accept less. He is adamant that he’s not coming back.

  239. kelsey says:

    Vela,Denilson and Bendtner all back. Come on guys.

    Wish your son better Rocky.

  240. evonne says:

    gm – i can listen to Gary Neville talking footy all night, brilliant

  241. goonermichael says:

    Funny thing though Rasp. On twitter I get told that Wenger is in control of everything football wise at the club.

  242. Rasp says:

    TMHT, that was my comment not peaches. “There are always going to be some that dont fulfill there potential, and the Club are fully aware of that.” – their potential should not be rewarded, they should have the ambition to prove their worth and when they do that they can be rewarded accordingly. In no other sphere of employment does reward come before results and I don’t agree that other clubs pay in the same way. The main wish of an up and coming player should be to get into the first team not own a Ferrari – that can come later.

  243. kelsey says:

    So rasp is peaches and peaches is rasp and someone has nicked my sunglasses.

  244. mickydidit89 says:

    I still think Denilson and Bendy could be very god players. Yip, I said Denilson.

  245. mickydidit89 says:

    “god” may have been a little over the top I’ll say good.

  246. Rasp says:

    gm, that is often said and I believe it to be mostly true. I don’t know what AW’s relationship is like with Gazidis but the signing of Park was very odd. There may be matters where Gazidis calls the shots – I have no idea.

  247. goonermichael says:

    I’m a big fan too. He’s a breath of fresh air. Still think he was a wanker as a player though 🙂

  248. goonermichael says:

    Bendy would have been better than Chamakh

  249. What a feisty day, even scared RA off. 🙂

  250. Rasp says:

    gm I agree, see my @ 7:14. It’s a close call between Vela and Bendy as they are very different players. Its a shame Vela is such a good time charlie because he is very talented. I think Bendy is a very good 3rd choice striker for us but he is not happy with that it seems.

  251. herbsarmy says:

    I’m not moving the goalposts GM. You said you have level-headed loyal MU mates who dislike Ferguson, and I responded to that point.
    I can’t get my head around that level of hate. He’s not a murderer rapist or a paedophile, he’s an extremely successful football manager. I apologise for saying you would worship him, but if he had won two CL for us, most Arsenal fans would worship him. People worship AW for having achieved a lot less.
    Hi Rocky, it’s interesting to see many different views on the club, and as 26M said, we’d all be buzzing if we were playing the football we played 2002-04.
    Since then, I genuinely feel there has been a slight down-grading of the playing staff and over-all ambition, but it’s only a personal opinion, and not necessarily right. Hope everything is good with you.

  252. goonermichael says:

    I’m off home. See you later

  253. Rasp says:

    Bugger off kelsey 😆

  254. Gooner In Exile says:

    Havent had a chance to read all comments, nice post Rock.

    For me Gerv still has a bit to learn about the PL, but I thought his opening games were enough to convince me he has a future at the club. He has pace and close control and can pick a pass/cross he made a few assists for RvP early this season.

    Pod is signed by all accounts 😀

    Now onto tonight’s action….COME ON NO ONE!

    I’ll be truly neutral tonight I think.

  255. dandan says:

    Maybe Bendy has realised by playing “Up North” Just what he had going for him “Down South” and will come back a more disciplined and committed player. If so he would be an asset worth keeping.


    I dont agree with that either Rasp hahaha. Our philosophy, knowing that we can not compete for ready made stars, is to pay market vaule, and yes even inflated vaule, to procure young talent in the hope that they will become big stars in there own right. It is a policy that in my mind is vindicated by the fact that in the last seven years we have been top four every year despite moving to the Grove and having to accomodate the likes of Abramovich and the Sheiks.

    Now the shackles are beggining to loosen, our policy can accomodate more experienced players as well, but we will not give up, and nor should we, paying top dollor for exceptional young talent, wether they make it or not.

  257. kelsey says:

    Is that dandan or mrs. dandan, one can never be sure these days :).

    I doubt you are right.It’s about character and bendy and Wenger don’t mix

  258. Bendy and Vela or Chammy and Park. Who goes ?, Who stays?, you decide, on the weakest pair. Quick rasp, can we have voting system ?. 🙂


    GiE, “COME ON NO ONE”, hahahahahaha. Right, off to watch the game, of which i will be cheering no one.

  260. kelsey says:

    Well, i will in the immortal words of rasp, bugger off. good night one and all. 🙂

  261. dandan says:

    Herb I have said several times on here that I dont understand the way the word “Hate” is used by football fans and bloggers. But to each his own, we all use this wonderful language of ours in different ways, who’s to say who is right?

  262. Slimgingergooner says:

    Right then people, arses off the fence!
    1st scorer and final score…..discuss!

    Aguero, 2-2

  263. Rasp says:

    I’m pleased you’re not the manager then TMHT 😉

  264. Slimgingergooner says:

    Why is Niall Quinn commentating!? He’s awful.

  265. RockyLives says:

    I’m not watching, but I predict 3-1 to the blue Mancs.

  266. RockyLives says:

    Thanks for the kind comments about my lad.

    He broke his arm just above the elbow.

    He had an op at the weekend and three pins inserted, so now he’s at home with a cast and enjoying being waited on.

    Poor lad – that’s both arms he’s broken now, and he’s still only 9.
    Perhaps I should use something softer to beat him with?

  267. evonne says:

    Rocky – how did that happen??

  268. evonne says:

    fantastic game, has to be said

  269. herbsarmy says:

    apologies for monopolising your fine Post, I promise you it wasn’t intentional. Hope your lad mends soon.

  270. RockyLives says:

    Evonne – playing footy – what else?

    You haven’t monopolised the post. Your points force those who disagree with you (me included a lot of the time 🙂 ) to really muster their arguments which, to my mind, makes for fascinating reading.

  271. evonne says:

    Rocky – mine was drunk when he broke his leg 🙂 He’ll be fine and it’s cool to have arm in plaster at 9, he’ll get lots of respect for that at school

  272. RockyLives says:

    I’m watching the Manc derby now. Good game.
    I bet Scholes gets sent off.

  273. RockyLives says:

    I don’t think mine was drunk, but you never know! Kids these days…

  274. mickydidit89 says:

    City do play some great football

  275. RockyLives says:

    You may not have seen it, but when you were talking about bluebells the other day I was wondering whether you had every walked the Valency Valley from Boscastle?

  276. mickydidit89 says:

    Good, but blimey that’s bad defending. City only have three players over six inches tall!

  277. mickydidit89 says:

    Yes. I love the whole N. Cornwall coast and those beautiful wooded valleys that run back up inland.

  278. Gooner In Exile says:

    Well it’s an interesting match not a lot of quality on pitch. Stand out players Rooney (when he gets it) and Nasri cos Evra hasn’t got close to him.

    Shocking defending by United at corner, should have been De Gea’s ball in the 6 yd box but he committed schoolboy error of trying to play cat and mouse with Tevez rather than concentrating on the ball. If he stays where he is on the line he saves it, if he attacks the ball Kompany doesn’t connect as well as he did. Instead he is tickling Tevez and leaving ball side totally unprotected. I will never understand why keepers in the PL have their defender stand in front of the opponent who is standing on him, means he has two bodies in his way and clouds refs view of any infringement.

    Can’t believe Mariner is in charge, that’s a shocking choice for a big game like tonight.

    Fergie looks to have got it wrong tonight so far.

  279. Rocky
    I have walked the Valency valley, lovely location, Once from a hamlet called Treworld, where I was looking to buy a Barn to do up and once from Minster Chuch, a real hidden away gem.

  280. RockyLives says:

    GLiC and Micky
    I’ve walked the Valency a few times, from the coast, heading inland. At bluebell time it’s like a little piece of heaven has fallen to earth.

    It’s hard to believe that that beautiful stream turned into the torrent that caused such destruction in Boscastle a few years back.

  281. RockyLives says:

    I think there’s a lot of quality. Both teams are playing fast, precise football on the ground. Pretty good to watch.

  282. evonne says:

    the game will be even better this half. I wonder it the hair dryer was out at half time

  283. evonne says:

    no difference yet, shitty all over red mancs

  284. 26may1989 says:

    Herb, you call it lack of ambition, I call it working within limitations (and doing it bloody well).

    But even if you’re right, it has to be said, splashing out on an established, top-quality forward before the transfer window has even opened is a real sign of ambition and intent. Could be a very exciting signing.

  285. 26may1989 says:

    Excellent to see Ferguson and Mancini having a go at each other on the touchline, that’s the sort of panto we like to see!

  286. chas says:

    Young just entered the pitch from the 5 metre board.

  287. dandan says:

    Oh dear Newcastle batten down the hatches. 🙂

  288. Gooner In Exile says:

    United had too few players who could pass the ball five yards on the floor to a teammates feet.

  289. mickydidit89 says:

    Absolutely 🙂
    Strewth City have a strong squad 😦
    Nice to see Utd losing though.
    Nite all.

  290. evonne says:

    can united score 9 against Swansea? I hope not

  291. Gooner In Exile says:

    26 You say we have shown ambition by signing Pod early….who wants to bet that somewhere on another blog some Arsenal fan will be saying its a typical balls up only just completing a deal that should have been done in January 😀

  292. Hi, have to come on to gloat at a Bacon face (or from the look of him at full time “beet root face”) defeat.
    Looks like the foul mouthed gum chewing glaswegian reprobate botched his tactics today.
    Ah, isn’t life nice when ManUre f**k up.

    Great post,as ever, the Rock.

  293. Gooner In Exile says:

  294. However while I don’t like the EmptyHead crew I have a 20 year hatred of ManUre and Ferguscum.

  295. Gooner In Exile says:

  296. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    Agreed Corky (8.14)…trade in the cricket bat for a softwood rounders (softball to you?) bat.

    All jokes aside, kids that age heal so bloody quickly. My daughters 8 yr old classmate is on her third or fourth broken arm at the moment. Generally something pretty innocuous as well.

  297. and wasn’t it lovely to see Fergie rattled and losing his cool – hahahahaha ! Come on Linekar – let’s see your impression of old bacon face, 🙂

  298. Just gone off Gary Neville

    tim payton ‏ @timpayton

    · Open

    Gary Neville just said that Nasri not scoring was a hangover from his Arsenal days where you try and walk it into the net!

  299. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    United got what they deserved tonight.

    Scumbag Rooney was more interested in reffing the game than playing in it. I forgot Tevez was playing until his name came up…in the 29th minute.

    I was in and out of the room throughout the first half, pausing the play. Then just did a catch up of 20 missed mins in about 3mins by fast forwarding to penalty box action.

    Can’t say it was a complete shitfest, but certainly not very entertaining. Lots of tension 2nd half..but nowt much else.

  300. I know you all run and hide when you see me come on late at night because you know that I’m going to be nagging for posts …… 🙂

    We are going to be needing posts for the coming week …………..

    How right you all are 😉

  301. goonermichael says:

    have that bacon face. knob

  302. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    Apparently Lineker will be mimcking Fergies tantrum on MOTD7 tonight.

    He’ll be lolling around in a kilt with a half empty bottle of whisky cursing at a suave Italian who drives past on a Vespa with his beloved momma on the back.

    Don’t miss it.

    Anyways, offski…got my funeral to plan.

  303. goonermichael says:

    His nose is exactly like my dad’s was, Alchy

  304. herbsarmy says:


    I agree, Podolski is an excellent signing, one that definitely shows intent and ambition. A couple more signings of that quality and we’re good to go.

  305. Gooner In Exile says:

  306. goonermichael says:

    I think we are going to get some herb. Sky just showed some great goals by Podolski

  307. GunnerN5 says:

    I was really really happy to see Man C win today. Thay were the better team by far. Nasri and Clichy were outstanding, in fact, I’ve never seen Clichy play as well.

    The only dispointment in the whole thing is that we didn’t get to see SAF’s post game address to his team – that is if he could coax them out of hiding !

  308. Gooner In Exile says:

    Neville is no mug, altho the overplaying moniker is a little lazy, cant remember Henry overplaying that much, or Freddie, Bobby, Denis etc.

    They just put up Arsenal starting line up (potentially) for next season:


    Now the subs bench:
    Rambo Gervinho Rosicky BFG Arteta Santos Jenkinson Miquel Djourou Chamakh Afobe Park Diaby

    I’d say 6 of those are as good as players in the team shown, there’s no goalie so we probably need to address that.

    11 v 11 can it beat City? Probably even 16v16 all fit. Is it as good as the United and Chelsea squads, again I’d say yes. Is there room for improvement again yes. But who do you upset, buy someone good enough for first team do some players start to look elsewhere, can we do better on the bench…probably….can we convince a regular starter at a mid table club (Dempsey for arguments sake) to give up first team football and come make up the numbers, if you’re paying oil dollars yes, at our level of £40-50k per week I’m not so sure….as ridiculous as that sounds!

  309. Gooner In Exile says:

    This really could be an interesting summer

  310. Gooner In Exile says:

    This a friend of mine 😀


    Were gonna win the league next season,

    Good Night

  312. RockyLives says:

    My head says I don’t want Abu Dhabi FC to buy the EPL (particularly with Na$ri in their team).

    And yet, and yet… watching that ManUre team with Evra and Shrek and Baconface gurning on the touchline… by the end my heart wanted Citeh to win.

  313. RockyLives says:

    You’ve still got my silly one from the other day… unless you think that ship has sailed.

  314. 26may1989 says:

    As so often, I agree with you Exile, recruiting quality for the bench is probably the toughest bit of any recruitment exercise. But despite the satisfaction at the rediscovery of spine and balance, we all know we’ve been missing what we used to have so much of; creative magic.

    So, yes, let’s go and convince Clint Dempsey that the smart move at this point in his career really would be joining us, in order to play a crucial squad role. And if not him, there are alternatives. Forgive the tabloid-like speculation on my part, I have no idea whether all or any of these are realistic but there are the likes of: Robben, Kagawa, Hoilett, Moses, Hazard and Taarabt. We could even go all aggressive and try and steal Hatem Ben Arfa. Were we to think of out-and-out strikers, and seek to deploy Poldi more deeply, Yakubu could be looking for a new job soon, and there’s always my old fave, Giuseppe Rossi. Plus, being greedy, there’s always the option of signing Benayoun permanently. Whoever we go for, and in whatever roles, we definitely need that extra bit of quality.

    By my calculations, if the likes of Arshavin, Bendtner, Denilson, Park, Vela, Chamakh and Fabianski leave, we’d be pretty comfy on the ratio of homegrown vs non-homegrown, so there should be plenty of scope to recruit whoever we want on the creative side. But selling is crucial in all the calculations, so that needs to be addressed every bit as much as buying this summer.

    And with the likes of Miyaichi, Campbell and Ozyakup, as well as established youngsters like Coquelin, Miquel and Yennaris, much our “recruitment” can be done from within. That would also mean the expenditure on salaries is better deployed.

    As for keepers, I hope we can convince Mannone to become No2, with Martinez as No3.

  315. RockyLives says:

    Hi 26
    I agree we should have no hesitation going after the likes of Dempsey (if AW wants him, which none of us know).

    If Dempsey believes in himself (and with 16 goals under his belt playing for mid-table Fulham why shouldn’t he?) then he will feel he can force his way into being a regular starter.

    I expect more traffic going out than in. Joel Campbell returning from loan should be the back-up striker we need (along with the Pod).

    If Almunia and Fabianski leave I would rather we got an old timer as back-up to Szcz (like Jaaskeleinen) rather than Mannone (who wants to stay at Hull I believe).

  316. top goon says:

    This is Gervinho’s first season, give him a chance. He will become a very important player for Arsenal. He has pace and can dribble very well. He is still young and will improve on his shooting and decision making in the final third. Yes at times he has been frustrating the way he turns the ball over but also at times he has been simply brilliant. Those are the glimpses of what Gervinho can become. Be more open to him he will improve.

  317. RockyLives says:

    I agree with all of that Topgoon.

    I remember that Freddie didn’t exactly set the world alight in his first season – then he won us the Double in his second.

  318. Gooner In Exile says:

    When you see our players wives it’s no surprise they don’t want to go to Chavs and have JT snooping round.

  319. Gooner In Exile says:

    From Beeb:

    “It is understood the FA’s main concern about Redknapp was whether he shared their vision for the National Football Centre in Burton, designed as a £100m centre of excellence for coaching.

    The FA felt Hodgson would be more willing to lead from the front on that issue.”

    Understandable they’d want someone who can write better than a 4 year old

  320. henrychan - indonesia says:

    I impressed a lot with Gervinho.. He played very good at the beginning.. And be a very great partner to RVP.. But after back from Africa Cup.. I think he lost his solidity with RVP.. I don’t know why..??? And till the last game.. we almost never seen a good pass from him to RVP.. like he always did before..

    I do agree that we must give Gervinho a chance..
    But we don’t know yet what will happen (with Arsene’s mind) in this teams formula.. I guess with Podolski in (and other strikers running on), he will play 4-4-2 formula.. with two strikers..
    And I doubt Gervinho will be a our starting eleven.. And I think (doubt) the same with Miyaichi and Walcott..

    But let’s not talk about that earlier.. Still two month ahead to worry.. Let’s face the last two games..
    Playing in Emirates again Norwich wil not be a problem.. I wish and hope RVP willl score a lot.. hattrick if he can.. And surely I wish Bolton (Miyaichi) will hit Spurs out of this race..
    Arsenal willl win 6 points ahead.. And we will go for UCL..
    Go Gunners..

  321. Gooner In Exile says:

    If I was to put together a shopping list it would be players from the PL, it would be something like this (would cherry pick from this):

    Baines, Fellaini, Bent, Abonglahor, Moses, Dyer, Sinclair.

    One thing is noticeable Wenger is targeting older players to fill the gaps in the squad that youngsters are yet to be ready for. Also Neville said last night that you can see that the stadium move is now paying off, finances sorted and in a healthy position to acquire players now.

  322. mickydidit89 says:

    Morning all.
    Saw your poss 1stXI for next season. I take it that from that midfield Ox is in the AM role. I happen to agree with you, but I would love to know where AW ultimately sees him playing.

  323. mickydidit89 says:

    Appears we have more or less settled on preferring a City title over a Utd one. If for no other reason, I believe they have the better fans.

  324. mickydidit89 says:

    Have to totally disagree with your list. With the exception of Baines, I would see all of those as yet more squad players. With Pod on board, I’d only really want us to sign someone of unbelievable quality to really strengthen the first team or nobody.
    The one player who would take this team to the next level is Cesc 😦
    So if anyone could let me know of similar for £25m’ish, I’d love to hear from you.

  325. Gooner In Exile says:

    Micky so in fact we agree as they were intended to be squad strengtheners.

  326. evonne says:

    I am sorry guys, but I cannot believe what you are doing! This season has not ended yet and you are doing what the media (that we all dispise) will be doing, but even earlier than them. You are already buying, selling, speculating, building up the team for the next season. Come on, we have all summer to do that, pleeeeaz let’s not do that already

    I mean no offence, but I had to get it off my chest

    Now, good mornign all 🙂

  327. Morning all

    Darn it, the blue sky has turned back to grey mush and the sparkling sunshine of yesterday has returned to rain, rain and more rain 😦

    Those City fans did look deliriously happy didn’t they and I don’t remember hearing the Mank lot singing at all. But they have bought the title – if they win it – and their success, and I’m not happy about that.

  328. evonne says:

    Peaches – Gary Neville was right about Nasri and the left over habit from Arsenal. Remember the story Rasp told us about the weird training technique employed at Arsenal, the whistle before players are about to shoot?

  329. evonne says:

    Did I say that I am beginning to adore Gary Neville, what a guy, love his humour too

  330. evonne says:

    Oh I see, you not going to talk to me now 😦

    GiE – Mrs Arteta – phew…
    Mrs Podolski – perhaps she is a nice person

  331. I agree Micky, City have the better fans and they probably all live local !

  332. Big Raddy says:

    Before we get all uppity about MC buying the title. MU have been buying the title for over a decade – They have 3 players costing over €30m, and 15 players costing more than our most expensive ever signing.

    Both teams are Devilspawn.

  333. chas says:

    Definitely right, BR.
    To get any joy out of it you have to focus on the team that loses. 🙂

  334. Big Raddy says:

    Contrary to some others opinions, I thought last night was a borefest. It was one of SAF’s worst nights and MU had lost the game before they stepped onto the pitch due entirely to SAF team choice and tactics.

    Perhaps he had watched the Chavs at Barca and forgotten that the Chavs won because they were extremely lucky.

    Either way, thankfully we have seen the beginning of the end of MU’s dominance. Unless they spend huge money in summer they will struggle to get top 4.

  335. kelsey says:

    Morning all.

    Not so sure City have won the title,more concerned with the reassurgence of Chelsea. Hard to figure out Spurs, as Blackburn were woeful.

    Nasri showed glimpses of the player we had at his best as did Clichy. if only we had players like Kompany and Yaya Tour.

    Whoever mentioned Dempsey, forget it he will either stay at Fulham or go to Spurs.

  336. Big Raddy says:

    chas. I can do that 🙂

  337. Gooner In Exile says:

    Morning Evonne, there is a subtle difference in saying who we would like to see and the media game of “Wenger is interested/makes bid etc”

    As for the whistle coaching why didn’t it affect Henry, DB10 etc. anyone think Nasri was looking for a pass? IMO he was trying to get rid of one more defender. And if it had come off everyone would be purring about composure/balance and ball control.

  338. evonne says:

    GiE – subtle, yes 🙂 The whistle exercise was only observed a few months ago, perhaps an invention after the DB10 and TH14 reign?

  339. Gooner In Exile says:

    Agree Raddy in terms of football it was not of highest quality, but in terms of a pitch battle it was a riveting watch.

    Most noticeable to me was Uniteds complete inability to pass the ball to feet. I think that’s the end for Giggs and Scholes too.

  340. Big Raddy says:

    GIE. IMO he just wasn’t good enough to finish.

    Now ….. if The Gerv had that chance it would have been 2-0.

  341. LB says:

    “Either way, thankfully we have seen the beginning of the end of MU’s dominance. Unless they spend huge money in summer they will struggle to get top 4.”

    I see things from this very same angle although I am not convinced they have a choice to spend big or not. United have the same problems we have, which are if a very good player comes on the market they know they will be out bid so they won’t even enter the auction. The Rooney days are gone; if he appeared at Everton now as a sixteen year old he would go to city.
    United’s dominance is over and good riddance.

  342. LB says:

    The end of Scoles and Giggs, good point GIE would it be pushing it to hope that Ferguson disappears into a bottle of wiskey.

  343. Big Raddy says:

    LB. It is a sad truth that MC & Chelsea have the pick of available players and the rest dine from the leftovers.

    Our focus on developing young players is the only way we can realistically compete. So, we have to pay big wages to young players who have yet to prove themselves. Sometimes it works (Cesc/Wilshere/ Gibbs /Theo etc) and sometimes it doesn’t .

    But this opens up the wage discussion raised by others. Is it a waste of money, a gamble or an investment to pay kids a big wage and tie them to the club wit long contracts?

    IMO, given our financial constraints, it is the only way we can compete

  344. evonne says:

    Chas @8:40 – filthy animal

    Are we paying youngsters much more than other top clubs?

  345. mickydidit89 says:

    I was just watching the Chas clip and wondering to myself what on earth could be the right response. Then saw you comment 🙂

  346. chas says:

    BR, I thought your 8:52 was about focusing on the losers, not on the video. Until I just saw Micky’s comment, that is. 🙂

  347. mickydidit89 says:

    To use an LB term from yesterday, I’d say that Utd are pretty much “maxed out” on the Credit Card.
    Shame really 🙂

  348. chas says:

    This was taken by Carlito, I believe.

  349. chas says:

    The King is dead, Long live the Sheikh?

  350. chas says:

    Sorry, must focus on the losers.

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  352. mickydidit89 says:

    Waste of time eh Raddy? 🙂

  353. Gooner In Exile says:

    Not possible Evonne, Wenger is stuck in his ways when it comes to coaching methods don’t forget 🙂

    In all seriousness I said at the time that I have experienced coaching in this way, it’s for the benefit of the whole team and I believe you will see it at many clubs. It’s not just designed to make players look for other options it’s also to make sure other players are in correct positions for next phase. It’s about getting players to play with head up and make sure they have a full picture of what’s around them.

    Some stats (to 13/4/2012)

    Top shooter in PL – RvP 119
    Top passer – Arteta 2298


    So do I need my team to shoot more or shoot better?

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