Arsenal 0 Liverpool 2 – match report and player ratings

Written by Wonderman

Not much to write about today’s game, it was not much of a spectacle but still there were positives to be taken. I sat in the west stand today, behind the tv gantry and close enough to recognise Steve McManaman not too far away working for one of the tv channels. One thing that always pisses me off is when teams switch us around before kick off. Spurs were the first to do it a few seasons ago and Liverpool decided to do it today.

Prior to the match I was convinced this game had draw written all over it. As I took my seat the teams were lining up and some idiots took it upon themselves to boo Nasri when his number was called BEFORE  a ball had even been kicked, fortunately there were more sensible SUPPORTERS who cheered. The absence of Kieran Gibbs meant Bacary Sagna filled in at left-back. There were full debuts for Jenkinson at right-back and Frimpong in central midfield. The bench included Fabianski, Chamahk, Bendy, Lansbury, Miguel and Miyachi .

In the first half we were performing well enough without creating any chances of note, but it is here that we can improve without too much effort in my opinion. Walcott was being double banked every time he got the ball to feet. Surely common sense should have told the players either try to play it into space for him to run on to or go and support him. Ramsey also had a bad day at the office even before his own goal. I also fail to understand how Arshavin managed to come out for the second half as he contributed nothing to the first half.

We lost Laurent Koscielny to a back injury early which saw Miquel replace him and contributed to some nervous non threatening possession. Liverpool were seemingly happy to park their five man midfield and take a valuable point, and Vermy was keeping Carroll quiet.

The turning point of the game was the sending off of Emmanuel Frimpong. But again, anyone who has bothered to do a little research would know that Mr Atkinson likes red cards and penalties and our players should have been aware of that irrespective of how many games they have played.

Dalglish showed his street wisdom by bringing on Suarez to terrorise our backline with his speed and movement.  The goals Liverpool got were admittedly graced with luck: both appeared to be offside, the first one was the result of a calamitous own goal after Miquel’s clearance hit Ramsey and looped over the advancing Szczesny and the second at the death.  But with ten men and a defence of Sagna at left-back, Jenkinson at right-back, and Vermaelen and Miquel in the middle, with Vermy moved to the right hand side of the CB pairing it was always going to be difficult.

Ratings:

Szczesny – 8  Very calm and assured, omly 1 kick went astray pulled off a very good save to his left in the first half. This boy may take some shifting

Sagna – 7  tried his best on his ‘wrong’ side in the absence of a recognised left back

Kosser –  not on long enough to rate

Vermy – 9 Motm jeez have we missed him

Jenkinson – 7 committed, and willing to support, good engine and soldiered on even after getting what looked like cramp. But needs to work on his play when in possession

Miquel – 6.5  good range of passing but was understandably nervy.  Often passed back to the keeper aiding Liverpool to press us high up the pitch

Ramsey – 5 was erratic, passes went astray, didn’t track back with any urgency and had little penetration in his passing. Unfortunate with the own goal

Walcott  – 6 looking like a one trick pony but not helped by his team mates. If his pace was taken away he would not have been on the pitch today, not that his pace helped him. He will soon be eclipsed by Ryo

Arshavin – 4 abject, tricks didn’t come off, no work rate, no goal threat, no tracking back

Nasri – 7 decent shift under the circumstances and was pleased to see the supporters give him a boost when he came to take corners

Frimpong – 7.5 would have got 8.5 had he not been sent off, but this boy is the reason we are not going to buy a defensive midfielder, quick, powerful and aggressive. Once he controls that aggression he will be one hell of a player

Van P – 7  worked hard for the cause but very little service

Lansbury  – 6  didn’t really get into the game

Bendtner – not enough time to rate

A word of caution for a so called category A game there were plenty of empty sets at the Emirates today. I don’t know if it was the kick off time or something else

A word of praise to those fellow supporters who comprehensively drowned out the morons who started to chant ‘spend some …..’ and also reminded Nasri that the dissenters are still a minority. I’m beginning to see a nucleus of fighters in our team/squad. Vermy, Kosser, Frimpong, Van P, Lansbury with Song and Wilshere to add, that bodes well for the future.

Lets hope that we get all of our bad luck out of the way early

142 Responses to Arsenal 0 Liverpool 2 – match report and player ratings

  1. Good says:

    First

  2. oz gunner says:

    good report wonderman

    frimpong is going to be a force in due time. Will be interesting to see how long it takes him to take over song. Great for arsenal because i feel at times song gets complacent, but not anymore with the bulldozer driving up behind him!

    Any idea how long until we see jack the lad running around again?

  3. Johan SWE says:

    Arshavin more involved in the game than Walcott in my opinion.

  4. faisal says:

    Team badly need at least 1LB and 1 creative player as play maker.. With 8 player can’t play due suspend and injure Arsenal look like average team.. i think Arshavin and walcoot not play well. maybe wallcot miss forward position. for Arshavin i think no player go to support him. when he get the ball, no one go to support him to open some space for him. maybe this what he get when he not really help team during defend.

  5. harry says:

    Nice write up wonderman, with some realistic ratings which in principle I concur with, albeit I thought after Miquel settled he was excellent, so maybe a 7.

    I agree with John above that AA was more involved than TW, just, and you all know I am theo fan, probably 5 a piece……

    @Faisal – average team with 8 suspended or injured? and what would liverpool, united or chelsea look like? the only team who could probably sustain that many injuries etc is Man City……

    Udinese will tell us all we need to know on wednesday….

  6. Well I watched the match on t.v. because I had to work in the morning, but when Koscelny went off we had nervy 20 minutes but weathered that. the rurning point came when frimpong went off. The first goal there was a definite offside and there was another offside in build up to second goal even though he never received the ball he was still interfering with play at that point by taking the attention of the defenders but hey. The positives from this game were again we looked solid in defense until we were reduced to ten men though Dalglish showed some nouse by bringing on meirless and suarez at that point. Two other things too come from the game is the need for another defender now we are short now. and with frimpong suspended for three games too there is a need for another couple of midfielders or we will be woefully short. If Nasri’s deal is not sorted by Udinese game we should play him and good thing we will have song and gervinho in the game both fresh as they have had no match on weekend. Disappointed at 2-0 loss but its not the catastrophe that the papers are saying and thanks to my sister-in-law a yid who commented on facebook that arsenals season is over before theirs has started cheeky bitch. nyway the season is not over and the scoreline is deceiving because had we had 11 players on the pitch I believe we were heading for our third clean sheet of the season.

  7. Rasp says:

    Morning Richard and welcome. Your comment went into moderation bacuse of the ‘Y’ word (followed by id) you should be free to comment in the future.

  8. Ben says:

    The fact you say Liverpool were playing for a draw and the second goal was offside just goes to show your footballing ignorance and thus renders the remaining article obsolete! As for the first maybe the officials were waiting for Suarez to touch the ball before flagging him offside, which of course he didn’t! That’s a difficult one if that’s their view as he was obviously interfering with play.

    As for Frimpong ‘anyone who has bothered to do a little research would know that’ obstructing the quick taking of a throw-in/set piece etc can result in a yellow card and almost breaking someones leg with a raised boot no where near the ball is deemed worthy of a straight red card (so the ref was lenient there)! Funny how its only Stoke et al. who play aggressively according to Wenger!

    As for turning around the team at kick off!!! WTF!!!?? That happens at almost every ground if the chance arises. Look at Anfield and the Kop situation.

  9. Sam says:

    Anyone who says Suarez should have been flagged offside for the second goal is living in the 80’s! You know NOTHING of the modern offside rule!

  10. EIE says:

    To all those drowned out the spend some money chants. You are the traitors!

  11. faisal says:

    @harry- yup, Arsenal look average team with that problem.. They can’t attack normally in that match. That why i told Arsenal badly need 2 more player for that 2 position.

    Liverfool , man united and chelsea will look like lady team if 8 their player can’t play…
    :))
    Hope when face Udinese team will regroup back and win.

    By the way it true kaka was link with arsenal?-Just for loan not buy.. Why wenger looking for loan player? is that no player in the world can Arsenal buy today?

  12. Gooner In Exile says:

    Nice report Wonderman, I’m not surprised Ben and Sam as Liverpool fans have posted their comments as they have, they need to paper over the fact that they were not great yesterday against a very weak Arsenal squad. I would not say Liverpool played for a draw but there main approach was long diagonal balls to Andy Carrol, any Liverpool fan must see that £35m has been spent poorly on a player that has a terrible touch, and was outjumped by a 5ft11 centre back. It reminded me of watching Nisll Quinn getting outjumped by Paul Parker for United one day back at Highbury.

    I also thought young Miquel deserved a 7 maybe even 7.5 but admittedly I was in North Bank lower and probably saw up close the best of his performance. He was definitely nervy when he started but grew in stature.

    To EIE it is fine to feel that the club should spend some money, I think the reason the rest of us felt aggrieved was that it was not benefiting the team to be singing it as we went 1-0 down with ten men on the pitch. The players needed and in the most part earned and deserved 110% support from the terraces yesterday

  13. evonne says:

    GiE @ 10:45 – you are 120% right and very well said.

  14. evonne says:

    Wonderman – great, no nonsense blog! I like it, a lot

  15. Hi, Liverpool fan here. Just a couple of things:

    Frimpong is a fantastic young player and may finally solve your problems at DM…but not for at least 3 years.

    Suarez may have been offside when Lucas passed the ball to Meireles but under the current offside rules he did not interfere with play, nor was he gaining an advantage by being there. Meireles then subsequently passed the ball back to him rendering him onside and able to score.

    Arshavin should be shot – and why, why, why does Walcott just not copy Bale’s technique of punting the ball past the defender and run? He’s quicker than Bale and this would be mightily more effective than trying to trick the defender and then run past him. Maybe an ego trip for Walcott? Who knows.

    Anyway, was nice to finally win at the Emirates, but I hope you can sort yourselves out soon.

  16. Gooner In Exile says:

    Also I get what you’re saying on the GradeA fixture prices but in truth the game was sold out, the empty seats were actually ST holders who could not shift their seats on the Exchange. I paid £51 for a lower tier North Bank seat which is £16 more than Lower Tier tickets normally.

    Why so many ST holders chose not to go is beyond me, but the Grade A price (£100 for Upper Tier) would have kept many red members from buying.

    More worrying is the policy not to allow Exchange tickets until sold out, as this will contribute even lower attendances

  17. evonne says:

    Hello Scarlet, we will, no worries. Thanks for the encouragement
    Frimpong will be ready for 3rd March, see you 🙂

  18. Paulyt33 says:

    Arshavin , Walcott and Ramsey all equally ineffective and deserve the same score , in fact I thought Arshavin tried hard at times to no avail …..Also didn’t think RVP deserved your rating but thats the beauty of football isn’t it , anyway good site , keep up the good work..

  19. GunnerPete says:

    Good, acurate assesment of yesterday. If there is one thing I would demand if I was part of the Arsenal hiarachy it would be ‘ An investigation into the refs decisions against the club’. I would also demand that top refs (in title only) should be made to watch the Newcastle Sunderland match and then the kids against Liverpool. Then be made to explain how young Frimpong gets a yellow for basically demanding the ball for a throw in and Henderson who raised his hands for a push got nothing. Because of that appalling decision and Kossy’s injury we lost a game that our 8 hero’s deserved to win. My eight hero’s wer everyone except .Theo, Arsharvin, and Ramsey.

    Theo begs to be a centre forward..well he aint no winger or fighter is he.When you mates are fighting for breath at the back being short handed, you dont stay out wide to get run past by the opposition…he did all day…he was crap.

    Arsharvin again for the 1oth or 12th time that Ive seen him in 12 months was a disgrace to the shirt and someone has to demand an answer from Arsene as to why he was on the pitch after 30 minutes…he was worse than Theo. I would aslo say that AFC should fine both for taking money,, big money, under false pretences. As for ramsey, he was just lost . He wandered about the middle being constantly caught out of position…in fact his lack of awareness re; position cost us both goals…..MIND YOU A COUPLE OF BENT DECISIONS BY BOTH OFFICIALS HELPED TOO!.

    Right now I have no worries about our club after yesterday. A team of inexperienced kids kept the very expensive and overpaid Liverpool at bay until the officials robbed us. The ref had tried his best to cripple our spirit all game but the kids would not surrender.
    Its up to Arsene to go out on a limb and do a Fergie ie; say that this ref should never ref any of our games again.

    Just think, when we have ALL out players back and another two signings, which will come this week, what ateam we will have….sadly we could be out of the Champions League by then…..wont that please the Spuds, the Chavs and the bent officials we keep getting?

  20. evonne says:

    Gunner Pete – Frimpong’s challenge on Lucas could have easily be a straight red, so no complaints from me on the subject

  21. Rob says:

    Despite all the noise prior to the game, Arsenal played well. Arsenal still have a strong backbone despite their tender age. The only thing is that the midfield did not provide the spark, even though you had Nasri, Ramsey and Frimpong. The 3 new guys in defence did very well. No one would have said that they were having their debuts. Same happened with Liverpool’s Flanagan and Robinson last year, the young guys pick up very fast as they grow up in the senior team’s mould.

    It is which Liverpool did not play well. They were very poor at times. This team needs time to gel coz 4 of them just arrived and one (Carrol) hardly played last season. Kelly and Suarez are not so experienced either. Hence this team will be very strong in 2-3 months time.

  22. Sam I take your point about Suarez but he was offside and was directly interfering with play even if he did not receive the ball. being positioned inbetween two centre halves meant that both had to defend with him in mind leaving space for other players to take advantage of. However, that said as the offside was not given rightly or wrongly had Szcesny stayed on his line he would haved saved suarez’s shot he came out and diving for a shot he predicted meirless was going to take a mistake but not a costly one as the games was lost by that point anyway. We lost that game purely and simply because frimpong got sent off and that canny scot Dalglish realised that he could take advantage of arsenal’s lack of onfield experience by putting meirless and Suarez on. What was frigheteningly obvious from the game was the way walcott was kept quiet by double teaming and the way ramsey was shown to be lacking without wilshere rosicky and song that far more experienced liverpool midfield grabbed the game and ramsey looked distinctly average. I could not understand wenger bringing walcott off for Bedntner i would have preferred to see him switch nasri to the right and bring Walcott off for Miyachi we were already losing the game why not try and bring someone on to change that instead of shoring things up. Wenger needs to buy a CD now is more urgent than before and as we are without three midfielders due to suspension and two to injury we need another two midfielders or one at least and a striker would do nicely.

  23. Red Arse says:

    Scarlet,

    That’s an interesting point you make about Walcott and his ineffectual wing play.

    It is a point often made on here before by Arsenal fans.
    Theo seems unable to twig that all he has to do, is hit the ball past the defender and then race him to it, either for Arsenal or England, which is what Capello was trying to explain to him.

    Theo has world class speed for a footballer, but he rarely uses it because he is too busy falling over or running into dead ends.

    Simples. 🙂

  24. Rasp says:

    Hi RA, I think Theo’s speed is part of the problem. We all fixate on his pace but beyond that, his footballing skills are limited. I would not expect him to be a starter when we have a full first team available – irrespective of whether we bring in any new players or not.

    I’d hope that Ryo and the Ox all get a chance to show what they can do on the wing so that Theo will not take his place in the side for granted. Similarly, I expect the Pong to be at least interchangeable with Song if they do not both start.

  25. Roland says:

    Can I add Sagna and Gervinho to your list of fighters Wonderman? I think they are both going to brave and important!

  26. chas says:

    Nice report, Wonderman.

    Couldn’t resist having a go at Micky’s soon to be patented “squad quality barometer”……

    http://twitpic.com/69g2w9

  27. barumgooner says:

    Morning all. I think Rambo and Theo looked rusty and tired but will improve. AA to be fair worked harder than TW yesterday but never looked like doing anything other than running into trouble. Totally agree with Scarlet about Theo, Knock it and run. I think he is taking too much notice of the media saying he has no football brain and trying to prove them wrong, play to your strengths boy. I also agree that we are starting to show more of a fighting attitude and could be on the verge of a new style of Arsenal. So hope AW can somehow persuade Sami to stay.

  28. Wonderman says:

    Afternoon everyone, thanks for your comments,
    @Roland agreed except I’d like to see a bit more of Gervinho first

    Having slept on it now and had time to reflect Miguel possibly deserves a 7 but I still think arshavin was shocking

  29. WiganGooner says:

    Nice article Wonderman, I enjoyed your outlook on a game with a disappointing ending after promising much.

    I felt our depleted squad did well yesterday and made ‘Pool look ordinary. I felt Frimpong did well up until his dismissal and it bodes well for his future in an Arsenal shirt. He was heartbroken when he got sent and I was proud of his efforts.

    Another youngster who did well when called upon, young Ignasi Miquel. I thought he did well at the back and competed. He was unfortunate for the oggy and he is definitely one for the future.

    After the sending off it was always going to be a struggle with the quality that the scousers could bring on, but in truth we should have don’t better offensively and then perhaps the result would have been different. We are missing Jack at the moment. We need a bit more guile and I know Arsene will do his best to get reinforcements in.

    It’s too early to be depressed, we are Gooner’s and we will endure. Bring on Udinese.

    Sorry I haven’t been about this weekend, its me burfdy and we’re doing various bits and seeing folks as a regional celebration 🙂 I’ll pop back in a bit.

    WG

  30. TotalArsenal says:

    Happy Birthday WG – hope you have a nice day 😛

  31. harry says:

    Evonne, Yes some refs might give him a straight red, but then wouldnt mind if we have consistency, chirst if thats a red sunderland v newcastle should have been a 5-a-side by the end…..

    @Ben, he was stopping a quick throw he wanted the throw for himself, as he felts it was arsenals, henderson raised his hands?, think about things from the other side mate, would you have been happy 10mins in for a player to get a yellow for that?, Martin Atkinson like most premiership refs is poor, and do not understand football one bit………

    I like football to remain 11 v 11, when players go off due to silly yellows its pointless and ruins the match…….with 11 i dont think liverpool score……….and dont start me on offside rule, interferring and second phase……The first was offside and if the boot was on the other foot scousers would have screamed for it. The 2nd for me was offside, as it was still within the same phase of play……bUt thats my understanding………

  32. WiganGooner says:

    @ Harry
    Totally agree, the ref could/should have just given a warning. It was a big game and it needed a big ref and it didn’t get one. Howard Webb wouldn’t have carded him, but would have told him he was on a warning.

    @ TA

    Thank you very much 🙂

    WG

  33. goonermichael says:

    Just watched the highlights. There were a lot of positives and thanks for the report wonderman. With the squad we have I can’t see us getting anything beyond 4th. Personally I reall don’t care what anyone says to or about nasri. He’s a manc and he can go…………. If i was a manc I’d feel the same about shrek.

  34. TotalArsenal says:

    Great write-up Wonderman, really enjoyed it.

    It is natural to focus on good and bad individual performances and pull conclusions regarding their ability, attitude and contributions to our team. I did the same after the game, and like you Wonderman, I was unhappy about the performances of Arshavin, Ramsey and Walcott. Now I had some time to think things through – helped by your post and subsequent great comments by fellow bloggers – I feel we need to focus a lot more on the system that we are trying to play, and less on the individual components i.e. players. The system is not working and as a result individual players are struggling. I do not want to repeat some of the excellent discussions we had last night regarding the malfunctioning of our midfield, as they are there for anyone to read.

    Fact is that we have lost our style of football – our face so to speak – as a result of a malfunctioning system in midfield. Udinese and Liverpool overran us in midfield, and we simply failed to dominate that area. Arsenal has a patent for dominance in that area, established over many years, and to see us struggle there is most surprising AND painful for us. Arshavin and Walcott looked indeed unmotivated, but, they are panthers – so to speak: they need to reserve their energy to pounce on an attacking opportunity when it arises, and of course help out on occasion as well with the pressing. At the moment, it looks like we have not got a clue what our midfield strategy is, leading to DM’s overstretching themselves, and the likes of Ramsey, Nasri and Rosicky looking like passengers, and occasionally headless chickens. It is within that light, that we must judge individual performances during yesterday’s game.

  35. goonermichael says:

    Happy Birthday

  36. Red Arse says:

    Happy birthday, WG, 🙂

  37. Wonderman says:

    @WG Happy Birthday

    @TA Interesting point about losing our style, we were up against it in several departments yesterday

    1. Our right back played at left back therefore removing the chance any decent out swinging crosses from that flank coming in
    2. Our right back is still learning his trade, and whikst he has good pace, physicality and aggression he is not an offensive weapon yet when in possesion.
    3. we lost Koscielny for 3/4 of the match and again were foreced to play in experience.
    4. Frimpong was interesting, as it was inexperience that let him down,he should never have received the first yellow as he should have just walked away. He played the’ holding midfielder’ perfectly when he was on. Unlike Song he sat infront of the defence looking to destroy any attacks. It is no wonder we suffered after he went off.
    5. Arshavin was off
    6. Theo consistently made the wrong bad decision and did not help Jenkinson defensively
    7. Ramsey was off, but remember this is a player that was out of the game for a year, it will take time to return to where he was.

    So I agree we have lost our style but yesterday’s team was not a good one to judge it on

  38. neamman says:

    I guess what worries me is that basically in 3 games we have rarely looked threatening! Lots of possession but once we get to the penalty area.. it fades out. I dont really think we ever looked like scoring yesterday unless we got a great long range shot.

  39. Red Arse says:

    TA,

    I believe what you have written is absolutely right, about the midfield being overrun, mainly because of the woeful performances of Theo and AA– and said so in my brief comment after the game yesterday. 🙂

    I cannot be bothered to go back to check, but I thought you {mildly} disagreed, but I am probably wrong.

    You also mention Rambo in the same breath, and that is right too, but in case he simply had an off day, and that is just a blip.

    AA looks finished as a top player and Walcott will never be one.

    Anyway, we are (almost) back to singing from the same song sheet. 🙂

    Har en god eftermiddag!

  40. oz gunner says:

    @ TA

    very well said.

    @ WG

    happy birthday

  41. Big Raddy says:

    TA. Fine comment

    WG. Happy Birthday.

    oz G. Well said 🙂

    Wonderman. Fine post, thank you

  42. Big Raddy says:

    Would you sign Tevez?

  43. evonne says:

    Raddy – with my eyes shut! he’s back in Manchester, warming up right now. Not that City need him, Silva is awsome, Agu* brilliant and James Millner’s goal a peach

  44. evonne says:

    Wigan – happy birthday xx

  45. Rasp says:

    Many Happy Returns WG.

    City 2 goals, 2 shots from outside the box. Look at their forwards attack the box when a cross comes over. I appreciate we couldn’t play like that yesterday, but lack of bodies in the penalty area has been a feature of our play for a while now.

  46. Big Raddy says:

    We have to get our MF’ers closer to the point of attack which would allow them to attack the box as most other teams do.

    ATM I cannot understand why we are unable to play such a basic tactic

  47. kelsey says:

    Happy Birthday WG.

  48. Wonderman says:

    So do we think Gary Cahill is worth paying £18/£20m for , can anyone see him doing anything that our current cb’s dont ?

  49. evonne says:

    Wonderman – I am not an accountant, so the way I see things is that if his price is £20m and we want him, we pay £19m, end of, no?
    If we need him is a different question altogether. I think we do, but not as much as we need Jagielka

    Tevez on 😦

  50. Wonderman says:

    Hi Evonne, all I am saying is he doesn’t appear to be doing anything that our current first 3 cb’s do so why would we spend so much money on him . A player is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay irrespective of what the asking price is

  51. kelsey says:

    David Silva impresses me a mixture of nasri and Fabregas but more like nasri, so why do City want Nasri.

    Oh yes they want two identical players for every position regardless of the cost.

  52. Big Raddy says:

    Wonderman. If nothing else to shut up the people who are calling for us to sign an English CB. It appears the choice is Samba (strange as he isn’t English) Jagielka, Cahill, Dann or Shawcross (not after the Aaron job)

    Dann seems most likely but once again we will hear the “AW only signs B team players” refrain.

    I am very satisfied with Kos/TV as our first choice CB’s. So where does a big money CB play? Who goes on the bench?

    I do NOT expect us to sign a CB. Squillaci is still in the squad so we already have 4 plus Miquel.

    Let’s hope I am wrong

  53. Big Raddy says:

    kelsey. And what strengthens them weakens us.

  54. Gooner In Exile says:

    Agreed Wonderman, and if you watched MOTD last night you’ll probably agree that Jagielka looked at sixes and sevens for QPRs goal, being turned inside out by Tommy Smith leaves a lot of question marks.

    Tim Cahill on the other hand…yes please. He would be the man that BR was suggesting earlier.

    On our little Russian whilst I agree he was ineffectual he I thought for the first half at least got involved and for a couple of touches could have set us free. He also chased back on occasion and tried to win the ball back when he lost it. Like I say this was all first half.

    For me if RvP is going to Captain he needs to set the pace of high pressure from which others can follow the lead.

  55. I think shitty will be challenging for the league this season.

  56. TotalArsenal says:

    Wonderman @2.38 fully agreed on all your points, and you are probably right that they contributed to our inability to play our game/style of football yesterday.

    RA: I am not going to defend AA or Walcott as their attitudes did not seem right throughout the game, and especially towards the end. Cannot agree with you though re your statements as per the rest of the careers of both players though. The current system does not work for them, and would either of them go to say Liverpool or Man U, they would strengthen does teams a lot.

    We need to look at how we will get our dominance back in midfield, starting on Wednesday. In that game, I hope we play Song and Frimmpong as a double DM, and Arshavin or Rosicky in the hole, with Gervinho and Nasri/Ryo on the wing and RvP upfront. LEts get some control back ffs.

  57. trueg00ner says:

    http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s378/st170548.htm this is well worth a read and if true puts things into perspective

  58. Gooner In Exile says:

    http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s378/st170548.htm

    This is a very believable unnamed source article about the current impasse between the Board and Wenger. I know Kelsey has a little post planned and would be interested if he has a similar view.

  59. kelsey says:

    GIe,

    just read it and it confirms what I said a few weeks ago about pressure being applied on Wenger and that he hasn’t got carte blanche anymore at the club .
    You most probablywon’t like my article but it has a different angle but the root of many of our problems are obviously down to budget or lack of it.

    i would be bold enough to predict that this is Wenger’s last season at the club primarily as I also think he has been made a scapegoat and his loyalty has come back to bite him in the face.he is very stubborn as we all know and the current BoD and he do not gel. Funny DD is giving interviews all of a sudden backing his friend Arsene.He must know the situation and is standing by AW

  60. Red Arse says:

    Kelsey,

    Un-named sources are not the best of intelligence providers. 🙂

    At least Wengers loyalty has not come back to bite him on the arse! The face is more hygienic, I suppose. 🙂

  61. Red Arse says:

    TA,

    My career ending statements for AA and Theo are not to be taken too literally, I was just trying to provoke responses. 🙂

    Altho’, I am right!! 🙂

  62. kelsey says:

    To be fair RA,

    I really believe it only because of the snippets I got a few weeks ago are exactly the same.

    if you had as many dogs as we have got a little bite here and there is absolutely nothing,oh and the licking that goes on is unbelievable 🙂

  63. kelsey says:

    Have you read tomorrows post RA, you may not realise what you have just inferred.

    I heard you were on Dragon’s Den tonight (from a reliable source)

  64. Gooner In Exile says:

    Snap with truegOOner 😀

  65. TotalArsenal says:

    RA, you are a master at provoking responses 🙂

  66. Gooner In Exile says:

    Kelsey

    Interesting debate to follow your post then. 😀

    We know Wenger was furious at the boards refusal to increase wage offer to Ashley Cole way back when. Seems the goalposts have moved in terms of wage demand discrepancies since Citehs oil riches but the same issue remains.

    The only way to survive is to raise more like Wilshere, Frimpong who will then do what Gerard, Scholes and Giggs did.

  67. Red Arse says:

    Kelsey,

    Don’t take any notice of my cynical response to ‘unknown sources’. It is the sodding accountant instinct coming out.

    That being said, if it is true it is going to blow the matter way out into the open.

    If it is untrue, someone has sat themselves down and cleverly knitted everything together into a very believable and explosive article. Not you GIE is it? 🙂

    Part of the story has a smattering of truth about it, as I have banged on about it myself many times.
    Buying a player for £30m is only one part of the transfer deal. If the player signs a 4 year contract at £6m per year, the true cost of that investment is (£30m + £24m) = £54m.
    Those sort of figures makes the transfer kitty look less than healthy unless players on similar salaries are sold to offset that part of the deal.

    Come on GIE, Wonderman we need some analytical minds brought to bear to examine the article and decide if it is possibly more right than wrong, or not:-)

  68. Red Arse says:

    Kelsey,

    I have not seen tomorrow’s Post as I am not privileged to do so!
    I am looking forward to it tho’! 🙂

  69. Red Arse says:

    By the way, the Arsenal Times carried the article on NewsNow at 17:45.

    Is that the same link source as that given above?

  70. Red Arse says:

    Before I shut down — if and it is a big IF the Wenger/BoD article is correct, it will only be a matter of time before Jack and others are lured away! 😦

  71. London says:

    Interesting debate to follow, hmmmmmmm, my blood is simmering now, it should reach boiling point by about 9:45 tomorrow morning.

  72. gunnern5 says:

    I’ve always made a habit of not speculating on unsubstantiated media reporting but in the case of “The Arsenal Times” report (although it’s very tarnished by being anonymous) I will make an exception as it seems to be the most realistic explanation of what has transpired at AFC for the past few years.

    It has never made any sense to me that AW would be responsible for both his and AFC’s demise by not buying the type of players that we needed. Both he and his scouts have far to much player knowledge to have failed so miserably without there having been a logical reason that was out of their hands.

    The BOD have control over the finances and if they will not agree with AW’s assessment of what wages he needs to pay for and to retain the best players then he is nothing more than a lame duck who will be unable to move the club forward.

    Prior to this article I had viewed this season as one of true transition where we would meld new buys of top class players with our existing 1st team choices along with grooming both new and existing youth players.

    I was content with this even though it most likely meant that we would both risk our top 4 position and not win any trophies.
    You see, in my mind, it is far more important to build a winning team for the future than to worry about winning silverware on a short term basis..

    However now my mood has turned very black as if this report is true then I feel we are doomed to fall down the table and become a mediocre mid table club.

    Welcome back to the sixties, where our average position was 9.5.

  73. Red Arse says:

    GN5,

    Remember it is only rumour. Don’t despair just yet.

  74. London says:

    The one thing that strikes me as being glaringly untrue about that article (Arsenal Times) is the idea that the board are suggesting which players Wenger should settle for……..tosh.
    It’s this suggestion, coupled with the lack of a source that make this article a clever piece of fiction in my opinion.

    The reality, it there for all to see, Arsenal showed some interest in Mata, Valencia waited to see if there was likely to be a better offer and surprise, surprise there was from Chelsea.

    Wenger knows the obstacles and he knows those obstacles have not been made by the board; everyone with half a brain can see that no matter how much we offer in wages city and to a certain extent Chelsea can improve upon them. Wenger and the board have known this for years and that is why the Board back him in every way they can in his attempt to create a team through the youth system a bit like, hmmmmm who else has done this successfully, oh yes I know……….Barcelona.

  75. London says:

    GN5

    @8.29

    A very interesting read, welcome to the world of speculation, it’s quite fun really, isn’t it?

  76. London says:

    If Wenger believes that he cannot find better players than we already have and refuses to by players for the sake of shuting up a disgruntled few then I back him to the hilt.
    Stuborn, absolutely right I don’t want to see a load of substandard tosh at the club.

    And by find I mean get a player to accept Arsenal’s lowly wages of 80,000 a week.

  77. harry says:

    Ah, just about to post a link for you all to chat about and you have read it…….

    http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s378/st170548.htm

    Althought it is subjective as the source is unknown, its does offer some solace for wenger supporters and for those that have an innate ability to offer him no leeway despite what he has done, a little food for thought……….

    Wenger keeps uttering that he has held something back and in the end you’ll see what he has done for our club……

    @London, dont forget, as much as it is a similar ploy to that of barca, they have always supplemented their team with 1 or 2 huge signings……

    The article has elements that make you think………….

  78. harry says:

    Anyone see about the twitter arguement between piers morgan and tingtong, cracking line from frimpers, “Get your belly out from behind twitter and work on it”………….

    And Jack gave his pal some support, saying he has known him from 9years old and he will be an immense star for Arsenal……..

    Personally I think Song has some serious competition!!!

  79. harry says:

    So london, is nasri going to stay?

  80. gunnern5 says:

    London,

    I feel like a traitor to personal code of ethics.

    You know I have always believed (mabe stupidly) that AW had the full support of the board and that they left the team finances in his capable hands.

    Maybe the balance has shifted with the rise of Kroenke – having worked for American companies for over 25 years I can assure you that their number one interest is R.O.C.E.

    Hope the article is wrong and just more media bluster.

  81. London says:

    Harry

    Of course Nasri is staying 😉

    GN5

    Enjoy the blog it’s a healthy outlet.

    I need more evidence before I believe that article, we are talking about an American (kroenke) who is used to sportmans saleries ten times the size of those paid in the EPL.

  82. gunnern5 says:

    While I’m in a black mood here’s another piece of, factual, doom and gloom.

    If we lose to Man U on Sunday it will be our worst start in our EPL history.

  83. goonermichael says:

    Nasri won’t stay. I’ll shoot wenger if he lets him run his contract down. I’m pissed off the chavs are getting mata. I was really excited when I thought we were going to get him.

  84. goonermichael says:

    We’d be 8 points behind as well gn5

  85. London says:

    GN5

    I think I prefered it before you started speculating 😉

  86. Gooner In Exile says:

    Do keep up Harry that link was posted twice at 7:01pm 🙂

    London you’re right to point out that the Board won’t say this or that player but it is believable they may go quiet when wage demands are presented.

    RA – do you think Transfer Budget includes signing existing players to longer/bigger contracts? That would also put some serious dents in available spends.

    GN5 – hopefully Kroenke won’t be able to go on that journey until Usmanov relinquishes shares as it would have to be paid by Management Fees which are always questioned by Inland Revenue, especially when the

    Harry – if any of us see PiersMoron at a game we should seriously ask that idiot politely to f*** off him and Tim Payton do very little for the club in the public eye.

  87. London says:

    There are only three possibilties to what happens to Nasri:

    1 He goes.

    2 He stays

    3 He is allowed to run down his contract.

    I should have said there are two possibilities as the last one is an impossibility.

  88. gunnern5 says:

    I’m off to my basement to get a mood changer.

    A couple of shots of 25 year old The Macallan followed by a nice bottle of Australian Shiraz to havewith my T Bone steak for supper.

  89. gunnern5 says:

    What a difference a glass of Macallan makes to ones mood ……
    soft, smooth, lightly nutty, just a hint of bitterness.

    It was well worth the climb down and back up the stairs.

    A mood changer indeed…………

  90. gunnern5 says:

    Right I’m off to the patio now to barbecue my steak.

    I’ll see you all later – wine willing, you see I like to cook using wine – and sometimes I put some in the food.

    Bye for now.

  91. kelsey says:

    If you believe the article it goes along with what many have been saying that our wage structure is totally topsy turvy and wenger’s hands are tied and therefore the board have been lying.
    At least when it is mentioned that something is going on behind closed doors, this could be it and it could have huge implicatins on qality players if they don’t get a fair wage.

    I know London will not believe it until it happens or not but it would explain quite a lot of things with regard to team morale etc 🙂

  92. harry says:

    Lol, GIE, I realised that, but often not everyone tracks back, so i reposted it……….

    Gn5, I could do with a mood changer, its called a divorce for me…..!!

  93. kelsey says:

    harry, goonermichael is your man he has been married 4 times and isn’t an accountant 🙂

  94. What’s Piers Morgan done??? I haven’t got time to read through ……….

  95. harry says:

    Married 4 times……Glutton 4 punishment….

    Hi Peaches, PM had a twitter row with Frimpong……Frimpong mugged him right off……

  96. Gooner In Exile says:

    I just had to follow Morgan to see what he was saying on twitter.

    He is now trending on twitter but in a bad way but he so little self awareness he thinks it’s funny. Then again this is the man that allowed photoshopped images of our armed forces on the front page of his tabloid, and a man that says Dubai is a great place and we should learn from their rules. He said that in front of a fairly liberal comic on R5Live who proceeded to tear Moron’s arguments apart bit by bit, and exposed him as a hypocrite. How someone who edited the Mirror could have empathy with death sentence for gay people exposed how ridiculous the tabloids were.

  97. Gooner In Exile says:

    ASH…too late for religious debate surely

  98. gunnern5 says:

    Harry;

    I completely understand your predicament but the fact is that there is nothing wrong with marriage that divorce won’t cure.

    Da , da ,da, da Da, da, da.

  99. gunnern5 says:

    Alex Songs Hair;

    I’m not sure if it’s your hair that’s in a twist – or your knickers!

  100. If I’d been an accountant I may have walked away from my marriages with more than the shirt on my back 🙂

  101. gunnern5 says:

    GM:

    Marriage is not a word – it’s a life sentence.

    Marriage is just like a violin – after the sweet music is over – then the strings are attached.

    Marriage is Love. Love is blind. Therefore marriage must be an institute for the blind?

    Marriage is what puts a ring on a woman’s finger and two
    under a mans eyes.

    A marriage certificate is just another word for a work permit.

  102. Gooner In Exile says:

    Rumours abound Jack is fit for Udinese.

    If true and considering we go to protect a 1-0 lead,here’s hoping for a midfield three of Song, Frimpong and Wilshere. Defence picks itself if Kos recovers from back spasm. If not could the left footed Miquel play left back, Jenks centre back with Verm and Bacary back to right back? Would give some height?

    Given the article earlier anyone feel some of the Cesc, Nasri, RvP, Jack interviews about buying were orchestrated by Mr Wenger?

  103. neamman says:

    I think City will win the EPL, Aguera and Silva look awesome.

  104. oz gunner says:

    that article has caused quite a stir i’ll have to give it a read.

    @ Gunnern5

    haha love hearing someone get so excited about a bottle of wine, then again i’m at the age where if alcohol is free or cheap then i’m in!

    Man city do look like a force, and very scary in all parts of the pitch. I’m still unsure how barry gets games though. Up front was always there weakness but now they’ve assembled probably the scariest attack in europe (especially if tevez stays). As i’ve said all along not to sure where nasri fits in, who knows maybe a swap deal with silva is on the card (one piece of business city did very well was getting silva and kompany so cheap). We gave them two players its only fair they follow suit:

    Nasri + 15mil = Silva and kompany in

  105. Gooner In Exile says:

    Oz unfortunately City have decided they need two players in every position of equal quality. So Nasri is going to be Silvas back up according to a City fan I know.

    Has anyone seen Gary Nevilles suggestion that all wages should be made public like in the US. He proposes that doing so would perhaps stop the Agents being able to turn heads and possibly enable players to negotiate without an Agent and just need a lawyer to protect them while looking at the contracts.

    If only there was a way to outlaw agents or put a set fee in place for contract negotiations/signing. Let them earn their money getting sponsorship deals and endorsements rather than holding clubs to ransom.

  106. harry says:

    Agents will be the death of football, for all the oil rich money that is awash at the moment in the premiership etc, wages of 200k per week is not sustainable in the long run…..

    For me football authorities and clubs thmeselves need to wake up, players have way too much power and all the tosh about short careers blah blah is just that……..tosh…….

    I would also go towards performance related and outcome pay – trophies and positions, perhaps performance related pay may wake up some players who seem to coast through games……..

    Nasri will be a fool if he moves to City, united I would see aposition for him, not that I want him to go there, as he would improve them, city he would play 40% less games and gets splinters……..

    That article we read last night really gives credence to some of the happenings at the moment, wed is the day, stay in and we sign 3 top players, go out and we sign 1 or 2 average ones……

    Maybe even Nasri is hanging in to see………..

  107. London says:

    Gary Neville, this is twice in about two weeks I have agreed with him which is unusal considering the previous fifteen years I thought he was an idiot.

  108. Rasp says:

    Morning all,

    Just popping in quickly. Who the hell does Mancini think he is telling us we can’t pickour own player? Nasri is receiving our wages and is under contract to Arsenal. What a diabolical liberty 😕

  109. Rasp says:

    Hi London, although it pains me to admit it, GN talks a lot of sense, he is clearly quite bright. People who know him say he was never gifted with great talent but worked so hard on his game that he made it through pure determination – not a bad attribute for a defender.

  110. London says:

    Good news if Jack is fit for Wednesday, I suspect Rosicky was rested on the weekend with that game in mind. RvP is back as is the Gerv, which leaves a choice between Walcott or Arshavin, I would start with the Russian.

    ————-Szcezney

    Sagna, Harry, Vermaelen, Rasp

    ——Rosicky,Song, Wilshere

    ——-Gervinho,RvP,Arshavin

    The back line depends on fitness

  111. London says:

    If City withdraw their offer for Nasri, he could just say, ok I will stay but I ain’t signing a new contract and GM’s apocalyptic scenario that I have scoffed at every time he has suggested it could turn out to be spot on.

  112. kelsey says:

    Tha Arsenal Football Club need to grow some balls and tell Mancini to f*** off,who does he think we are, Accrington Stanley.?

  113. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Wow, some article. Does beg a question or two. An interesting days’ blogging ahead me thinks.
    M’Vila deal sounds on. 21 yr old French International at £12m saounds right up our street. Gossip over.
    Back to That Article. We don’t have a wage structure as I’ve said enough times. I happen to think its about re-distribution. Less to some, more to others. We have the fourth/fifth highest wage bill which is about right.

  114. kelsey says:

    I am sorry if a player wants out that’s it for me.If city who really don’t need him back off United would step in though I doubt they would match his wages and Chelsea may also throw their hat into the ring.

    Agents are indeed the death of football. I am afraid we are in a lose lose situation with nasri which could possiblyhave been avoided

  115. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Well said Kelsey, which brings me nicely on to London’s horrible team selection. Rosicky = zero quality chances created. Nasri in there!

  116. kelsey says:

    If i was a betting man of all the escalated rumours today I would say the most feasable is bendtner going and mersacker coming in, some sort of swap deal with little money involved.

  117. Red Arse says:

    Morning you lovely peeps! 🙂

    GIE, the transfer budget would have to include an element for the increase in contract salaries/extensions.

    I have never been involved with a professional footie club, but a member of the accounting mafia (OK a lifelong friend 🙂 ) told me his club normally make public only the capital element of the transfer kitty, with the salary increases kept separate and private.

    He told me that for PR purposes it was common practice for other clubs (Arsenal?) to announce the whole lot (capital and salaries) as a total sum, to make the transfer spend kitty look much bigger than it actually is!

    That is a stupid policy because it leads to misunderstanding and disappointment among the fans, and inevitably leads to the wails of “but why haven’t we spent the £50m in the transfer budget?”

    Take our situation; Gervinho = £11m, Oxbow = £12m; Jenkinson+Campbell £2m; which equals ££25m + salaries for their contracts (say) £12m = £37m.

    When you factor in the increased salaries in existing contracts + agents fees etc (say) £10m and that’s £47m approx, and this year’s ‘transfer’ budget is gone. (I am estimating these figures, of course).

    That’s why AW may have been waiting for the Cesc/Nasri transfers to go thru’ in order to buy additional ‘big’ players, because our original ‘alleged’ budget has already gone.

    If nothing else it shows the scale of the problem we have in keeping up with the massive spend of Chelsea, Citeh, Manure etc especially when you consider the impact of £180K or £250K per week salaries on top of huge transfer capital spend + agents fees.

  118. evonne says:

    Micky – at least Walcott is not included. I am not sure why London chose Rasp over me, any idea?

    I stopped hating Neville after the Rio Ferdinand spoof. A fake cop approached Neville and gave him a ticket for speeding. He then said that he will destroy the ticket if Neville agrees to taking a picture with him. There was no way GN was having any of it, he would not be photographed with a cop! I thought it was funny, but also said a lot about GN

  119. Red Arse says:

    Guys,

    Not that I want to defend Mankini, but I think all he was saying is that IF we played Nasti in a CL game he would be cup-tied and therefore worth less to City, and it would be something Nasti would not want as it would limit his aspirations in the CL.

    It is a value thing and not really anything more than commonsense IF IF Nasti does get transferred.
    Arsene knows this and I would suspect he would not jeopardise a £25m sale for just one game. We will see!

  120. evonne says:

    Great, we are getting Kaka on loan, as if

  121. Red Arse says:

    London,

    I note you have not included me in your all stars team selection.
    No one can incapacitate the opposition by sitting on them in the way I do.
    So I suggest you re-think your team selection, or I will sit on you when we meet to show you what a tactical mistake you have made ! 🙂

  122. evonne says:

    Oz, these are the links to the spoofs I mentioned earlier, for Neville, Rooney and my favourite SWP 🙂 Enjoy



  123. Rasp says:

    Agree we should send out a msg to citeh and everyone else and play Nasri on Wednesday. Give him another £30k a week if he signs a new contract and agree to let him go in a year as long as we get a good deal. We probably won’t even need him next season.

  124. evonne says:

    Morning Rasp – you sound more possitive today 🙂

  125. Rasp says:

    Morning evonne,

    I am in fighting mode – fighting for our club and our integrity. We’re already being written off for the prem after only two games – ridiculous. I just want more of the Frimpong spirit – we should go out there and kickass.

  126. London says:

    Frimpong was a bull in the middle there but he played some fine paces as well. I gave he a standing ovation when he came off.

  127. pat says:

    its looking more and more that Udinese game is going to be one of the most important Arsenal games in recent years…

    Why in the CL do they have rules about players not being able to play for other teams when in the PL you can turn up in a different shirt the very next week – do any other leagues have the CL player swap rule?

  128. pat says:

    Never mind though because Vermalean is going to go bezerk and score a hatrick on Wed. He has been AWESUME. Missed him so much last year!!!

  129. pat says:

    Am in agreement with most fans in saying Frimpong gave it 120% and will get better ones his nerves settle. unlucky not to have a goal, tough education to get that red.

    After that game I started feeling pissed that Cesc had gone – why couldnt have he stuck around for the first few PL games to get us going? An irrational thought maybe but hey.

  130. kelsey says:

    As long as he doesn’t play at LB with kos out, though jack might play.

    Just read something quite amusing.We have more red cards than points. 😉

  131. Rasp says:

    Hi London, yes, I and all the supporters around me stood up and applauded Frimpong as he left the pitch. I see his fighting spirit even extends to telling Piers Morgan where to get off. Incidentally, Jacks diplomacy skills aren’t far short of Cesc’s when it comes to supporting his teammates and calming a situation (I’m talking twitter here)

  132. WiganGooner says:

    Morning all – new post 🙂

    WG

  133. kelsey says:

    What nationality is frimpong ?

  134. WiganGooner says:

    Kelsey, I think he is originally from Ghana, but is eligible for England and has played for the Under 17’s…but I’ll look it up.

    WG

  135. kelsey says:

    Thanks, seems to be gremlins in the new post section.When peaches is away everything goes astray 😉

  136. I am Tottenham says:

    You are the new spurs…. welcome to our world!

  137. Rasp says:

    Sorry for the confusion everyone, we have now published the correct new post for today – kelsey’s offering

    Apologies WG, I should have contacted you earlier, but no harm done.

    New post, new post new post …….

  138. Camberwell Gooner says:

    Morning all, Frimpong was one of the bright stars on Sat. Looks to be strong as an ox, got a bit of pace on him and imagine if he’d scored that goal after his PV4-esque charge up the centre. A legend in the making, I really enjoyed watching him.

    Ditto Jenkinson, he didn’t look afraid to get stuck in and his attacking runs were pretty positive.

    Shame Theo was marked out of the game but I thought his teammates really let him down in that respect. It wound me up something chronic that when he tried to actually do his job (i.e. hug the touchline and deliver something) NOONE moved up with him or came within 20 yards of him while he was double-marked – and effectively marooned on the touchline. Baffling.

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