Where will we finish in the Prem? – Poll

Ten weeks ago on 3rd January, we’d beaten Fulham at home 4-1 a couple of days previously and City had just beaten Liverpool (still the scousers only defeat of the season).

We sat 7 points behind the spuds and 3 behind the chavs in the Premier League. According to the stats chaps we had a 1 in 3 chance of finishing in the top 4. The spuds sat on 90% chance and chavs 70%. Our simulated end of season points total was 71 points, 8 less than the spuds and 4 behind Chelsea.

Scott Willis @oh_that_crab on twitter

Since then we’ve caught up 6 points on both of our London rivals, including picking up maximum points at home to Chelsea and Man U and gaining a creditable (and a touch unlucky to be only a single) point away at Wembley.

The race for the top 4 has opened up with the red mancs having marginally better form than us over those same games. Thankfully the steam appears to be evaporating slightly from the OGS express with back to back defeats.

Since early January our chances of achieving that top four position have, apparently, more than doubled . Meanwhile the spuds’ chances have dropped from 90 to just under 70% and chavs from over 70% to  just less than 1 in 3.

Scott Willis @oh_that_crab on twitter

I realise that this kind of analysis annoys some folks in a similar way to GIE’s swing-o-meter used to perplex me. 🙂

I’ve seen comments on twitter under the second projection saying, ‘this is basically just the League table, isn’t it?’. Of course it’s fine to think like that about attempts to try to statistically analyse a game involving 22 chaps, a pig’s bladder and a man and his buddies dressed in black (or green), all being of indeterminate parentage.

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Anyway, moving on to the fun part. Optimism is high in the Arsenal camp at the start of the interlull having disposed of Rennes and the resurgent mancs in the past week but with 5 away games left of our remaining eight, there are sure to be some ups and downs in the weeks to come.  Wolves away (the game postponed because of their FA Cup game last weekend) has been been rescheduled for Wednesday April 24th and we’re sure of a hot reception at Molineux under the floodlights.

Stuart MacFarlane / Arsenal Football Club

Here’s a chance for you to show what a balanced and reasonable Arsenal supporter you are by guessing where we’ll finish come May 12th. We already know that FGG thinks we’ll be lucky to finish 6th and BR only appreciates our slim chances of finishing 4th if the sun’s out in Denmark. 🙂

What other factors need to be taken into account for the run-in?  Your thoughts in the comments below, please.

chas

29 Responses to Where will we finish in the Prem? – Poll

  1. mickydidit89 says:

    Ha ha ha, Ramsey/Mesut poll 🙂

    I believed you and thought we were going for the final “meaningful vote”

    Actually I was looking forward to it.

    Haven’t read post yet, but will naturally vote “3rd obviously” 🙂

  2. mickydidit89 says:

    ha ha, some great lines in there. Thanks alot Chas

    So, big question, can we improve our away form, and if so, what is it that will make that difference?

    Well, here’s my answer

    About a week ago, LB made a comment about Ramsey, to which I had to fess up to being in the middle of a u-turn on the welshman

    I don’t know what Unai has said or done, or what may have finally clicked inside the welsh belfry, but we finally have a system that works for, or with, him. Compound this transformation with another apparent revelation on the part of Unai. We’ve stopped chucking away leads. How? Attack more rather than sit on a lead.

    Both of these changes have only been evident in the last couple of games, so it is upon this I base my optimism for improved away performances, and thus…..3rd

  3. chas says:

    Micky
    We couldn’t have a Mesut or Ramsey poll because it’s now Mesut and Ramsey. 🙂

    Welsh belfry – haha

  4. Big Raddy says:

    Chas. Great read.I don’t do speculation, more of a Carpe Diem, Live-in-the-Day type of chap.

    Any predictions I have made in life, particularly regarding economic issues (shares etc) have gone spectacularly wrong :-(.

    So I predicted we will finish 6th 😀

  5. mickydidit89 says:

    6th again eh Erik

    I take it there’s “something rotten in the Kingdom of Denmark” again this morning 🙂

  6. LB says:

    The pendulum really is swinging backwards and forwards.

    We are well in course for forth at the moment.

  7. LBG says:

    No factors………fact, 3rd!
    Why has Mick Jagger changed his hair and become a woman?

  8. Yonypumbush says:

    With the new found formation from emery, and the form and parfomance of niles, At the right handsite!Am optimistic of finishing 3rd.

  9. LBG says:

    And, Jeremy Corbyn with a bow tie?

  10. Rasp says:

    Thanks Chas … I voted 3rd.

    It’s a test of nerve from now on .. every game a cup final .. blah .. blah 🙂

    I can see the totts and manu imploding (possibly the chavs too). I have great faith in Unai, he’s a very clever guy.

    Like most, I am now lamenting Ramsey’s departure … he could be the driving force behind our thrust for top 4 and the EL, he clearly wants to leave on a high. I’m dreaming now, but wouldn’t it be great if he scored the winning goal againrt the chavs to win the EL?

    We still don’t have a director of football … so replacing Aaron should be high on our list for the summer.

  11. RC78 says:

    If we finish Top 4, I am happy. At the moment, we have the upper hand for 4th place but we know our team, we can also choke and not perform against so-called weaker opposition. I think we should finish 4th but having been let down the last few seasons, I d say we will finish 5th based on recent past experience.

    I really thought Ramsey would become Emery’s talisman, his “Arsenal Banega”. I don’t understand what happened but it can only be linked to economics because otherwise, Ramsey is a player made for Emery’s tactics. Now there is an opening to get Rabiot for free although he wants to go to Barcelona..Rabiot might end up going to Barcelona or Milan but I think we should look at him closely, he would be very useful player to have in the squad and he is free…

    Now let us see how Emery sets up the team in the next few games but playing with 3 CBs gets the best out of AMN, Kola, Xhaka and Ramsey and gives us the possibility to play Auba-Laca together…

    Let us hope for Top 4 finish and a European crown 🙂

  12. LB says:

    Can’t believe how many optimists there are out there – 3rd?

    I thought I was being gung ho voting 4th.

  13. RC78 says:

    So as espected, Zidane has upped again his interest in:
    – Sadio Mane and has identified Mahrez as a secondary target if Mane does not join Madrid;
    – Hazard with a bid at 100 Mln touted or 1 player + fee.

    The Real Madrid transfers are going to have knock on effects on the whole transfer market because key players will be moved around and much money will be spent. Similarly, Bayern is also looking for a big summer with moves for Pepe (Lille) in the pipeline to replace Ribery and Robben.

  14. Big Raddy says:

    I am surprised RM are interested in a MC reserve (Mahrez). Hardly a replacement for Bale who is head and shoulders the better player.

    Maybe they should try and sign Sanchez from MU.

  15. RC78 says:

    Big Raddy – if Zidane fails to sign Hazard and/or Mane, then Mahrez is not a bad option. I do not think they will get Neymar or Mbappe this summer, maybe next – who knows?

    Apparently, Zizou wants a 4321:

    Orziodola, Varane, Ramos, ? – Isco, KANTE, Kross – MANE, HAZARD – Benzema

    So he needs FW that can play on the wing, take the depth but also score…How many of these are around? If Hazard and/or Mane do not sign for Madrid, then Mahrez is a really good option since he ll start at Madrid and warm the bench in City…

  16. RC78 says:

    Now if he gets these 3 players: Kante, Mane and Hazard, I think they will solve their goal issues, also knowing that he has Asensio on the bench and he will probably aim to bring another FW to let Benzema breathe

  17. Big Raddy says:

    RC. I think RM’s problems lie in the age demographic of their team. They just have too may players with too many kilometres on the clock.

    Modric is finished, Ramos is done, Bale, Benzema, Kroos etc.

    They have to completely rebuild and my expectation is that Zidane will sign younger players than Mayrez (28). One of the young English boys could be a target Hudson-Odoi or Jadon Sanchez.

    Like you I do not see them getting either Neymar (who is unlikely to work well with Zidane) or Mbappe (why should he leave PSG?)

  18. RA says:

    Well this Poll question has seriously discumknockerated this blogger i.e. me.

    I suspect that no one on AA would just make a wild, unsubstantiated guess as to the position in the League that we (Arsenal) would finish, and therefore if challenged as to how they arrived at their meticulously calculated answer they could and would and frankly should, be able to give a mathematically or scientifically accurate outcome capable of quod erat demonstrandum which would remove any tiny inkling of simple lazy guesswork.

    Let’s face it — Captain Micky would not tolerate that!

    And there is the problem.
    I resorted to my usual fallback in answering such questions, requiring a precise prediction reflecting some merit of of respectability — Einstein’s theory of general relativity.

    Let’s see. E=MC — Energy = Mass * the square of the speed of light.

    Perfect. As you all know, the earth travels around the sun at approximately 67K miles per hour.

    So, if we sit on a train, Micky, and bounce a micro football-like object such as a table tennis ball on the same spot, while travelling at 20mph the said pill would appear to be travelling at the same speed as the earth, which is to say from the first bounce to the second or third the ball has only moved vertically and not horizontally, while you and I Tricky Micky, would be resting in an apparent state of luxurious inertia.

    However, LB, travelling on his bike, alongside the train, at the same velocity as the train, as borne out by his overworked lungs, will testify that he, and the table tennis ball, would have travelled 50 metres from the start of the first bounce.

    Right, where is that theory – oh, yeah – E=MC

    So, I have calculated how much every football in the premier league has potentially moved forward, backwards and vertically over the last 8 matches and applied the theory of relativity which shows the answer I have is ………….

    I do not have a clue.

    If only I was as smart as everyone else!! 😩

  19. RA says:

    Yes well — E=MC(2).

    I tried E-MC but the disappeared. Bow Locks!

  20. John Mathews legend says:

    I went for 3rd, being an optimistic f*cker.
    Up to Islington on the train tomorrow from South-East France.
    for the weekend, my mum’s 90th birthday.
    No footie on (worth mentioning) but it’ll be good craic.

  21. chas says:

  22. chas says:

    Not sure about postage this morning.
    GN5 has sent me one which I haven’t had time to format.

    Can’t see anything in Nuts.

    I’m off marking this morning first thing.

    Byeeeee

  23. mickydidit89 says:

    Ahoy

    Dear God, looks like I’ll have to rely on Erik

  24. mickydidit89 says:

    POST SENT

    Rushed conversation starter I’m afraid

  25. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    6.36 Superb. Sadly ,we don’t get Partridge over here.

  26. Big Raddy says:

    Holy Jamolie,

    I have to go out as well. 😦

  27. Big Raddy says:

    There is a New Post

  28. GunnerN5 says:

    Thanks Micky,

    I’m going to switch from satellite to fiber optic today so I will be going AWOL.

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