Where Do We Go From Here?

fgg says

Alonso -£8m
Vidal – £25m
Thiago – £20m

Not exactly crazy money. Massive transfers still get the headlines in football, but there are thousands of transfers that happen every season that are value for money. Leicester were a prime example of this last season.

Ox
Ramsey
Wilshere
Xhaka

Four midfielders that we already own who have massive potential to be as good as any other midfielders out there IF they are managed in the right way and put into systems that suit how they play. It’s not pipe dreams – we’ve watched these players control football matches and put in stunning performances against top class opposition before, they just need to re-find that form and build partnerships. If we can add the right players around them then there is no need for crazy transfer fees.

This is obviously a massively difficult task, but world class players emerge from all different places. Maybe we’ve already got some in our squad that just need a little spark.

Micky says

I really don’t think drastic changes are needed as most of the important stuff is in place ie stadium, financials etc. Net spend on wages and transfers is also fine

Tweak transfer policy. Take on more Arsenal football people. Relieve Manager of some duties. Adopt zero tolerance for players not giving 100%

All easily achievable

 

I would tend to agree with FGG’s and Micky’s sentiments. Whether they are directly saying it or not I read their comments in a way that resonates with a particular conclusion that I have reached, which I have personally felt for a while, that Arsene is no longer the best at developing young talent. I have tried not to say this upfront and so blatantly for fear of upsetting, but there it is in plain writing.

I say this still with the deepest regard and gratitude towards him, and I have absolutely no doubt that everything he does he genuinely believes to be in the clubs best interest, which is why I find it sad for him that he doesn’t have the right answers or methods anymore (IMO).

He once arguably was the best developer of players, but too many have lost their way recently to ignore it. Have other managers and coaches just caught up and surpassed him or has he changed himself? I actually feel a bit of both and don’t subscribe to the thought he is the same man he was.

If I was to psychologically profile things, (based on gut instinct not facts or proof), then I would say that Arsene was forced into a change when we moved to the new stadium and money was scarce, and he was forced to develop world class players himself.

This is a great credit to him to stick with us and oversee this and to take this difficult but necessary (at that time) route, and I don’t see how anyone else could have done better. He was without doubt the right, and only, man for us at this time, probably till about 3-4 seasons back.

All this resulted in the classic line “we make our own world class players, we don’t buy them”. This was, however, as much about necessity as it was about taking a moral higher ground.

At the same time I feel Arsene, in having to develop his own players and team, decided to try for a utopian style of football with multi position changing technical players, that can all function in the different positions that they interchange with their team-mates in during a game.

As such I feel he started to collect and recruit a certain style of player almost in a thought of “if I have 10 Maradona’s on the pitch we will beat anyone and everyone”.

This has shown us glimpses of great football  but is often found wanting over a season once you factor in the different types of opposition, injuries, fatigue, weather and pitches.

I often wonder if this utopian ethos has worked deeper into his mind and became too much of a holy grail to Arsene. The problem is that for me it is a utopian idea that doesn’t work, is showing not to work, and that he couldn’t quite seem to relinquish and accept isn’t working.

I also have a sneaky feeling that this is why we aren’t seeing more Arsenal people at the club. I think he gets on very well with a lot of his ex greats but isn’t comfortable with any of them that are strong minded enough to see things differently from him and tell him. I feel he doesn’t want those people around him and really only wants ones that don’t challenge his ideas. This I feel has been to our detriment.

I tend to feel that what has hindered him most is this collection of too many similar players, coupled with this attempted development of multi functioning players in a utopian style of football.

I personally feel players developing different skill sets in different positions (in a Dutch total football way) is for the academy and youth ranks, but once they reach a certain age and level where 1st team consideration is forthcoming, a player (and manager) needs to identify his best role, and then the final development phase is to make them a world class exponent in it.

One thing that hasn’t escaped me is how many players we have that have played in many different positions. Think of Ramsey, Ox and Jack for starters and think of the different positions they have been asked to play in. At least 3 in my mind and possibly 4 in Jack’s case.

Not wanting to get too cliche’d but this has left us top heavy with players who are a bit too much Jack of all trades master of none. The other thing it has done is to force us to play in a way that leads to another cliche. I forget what it is but I know it is one of Chas’ favourites……something to do with footwear and things you find on the head of a rutting stag 🙂

While it is useful to have some adaptable players in a squad, this for me cannot be helpful to the final development of these players and has resulted in some chaotic performance that don’t really tally with the quality of the 11 players on paper.

I actually don’t feel that the base line skill set and quality that Bayern put out was so distinctly different to us but they were a much better football side.

This is why I have felt that what has stopped us from progressing (and possibly winning another EPL under Wenger) recently has been more down to these intrinsic factors. Our transfer activity (or lack thereof) has not been the key factor. It has obviously been a factor in a way, but for me only in the further collection of too many similar players that don’t bring a distinctly different skill set to the squad above what we have already, where better options to improve squad strength and bring something we need more were available.

I haven’t really seen any glimpses of a possible acceptance and change from our manager which is why I have sadly slowly come to the conclusion that he is just not quite what is required anymore at the highest level. He still remains, and will remain, our greatest ever manager.

Written by GoonerB

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143 Responses to Where Do We Go From Here?

  1. GoonerB says:

    FGG, just to comment re your 11.00 am. You uncannily say things exactly as I see them 🙂

    Some fans will see the 20 years CL qualification as success. I don’t dismiss its significance at all as an achievement but, like you, find it increasingly has limited value to me as a fan if we end up looking regularly outclassed in it.

    I am becoming increasingly unexcited each year when we are in it, and the big games you should be looking forward to as a highlight of the season are failing to inspire me in advance of them because the painful result of these games are becoming too predictable.

    This shouldn’t be so. Does it make me a bad fan? I do feel there is too much inference towards the Arsenal fan base being spoilt brats that are lacking in gratitude, not just from Arsene but the board as a whole when they open their mouths. Didn’t one of them recently state that he he couldn’t understand what Arsenal fans had to moan about, or something like that?

    Like you I feel the points made in these press conferences and by the board as a whole show a distinct lack of being in touch with the fans. We know what happens when the powers that be don’t tune in to the mindset of the masses, or seemingly don’t care about it and ride roughshod over it…..Trump and Brexit.

    I, like you don’t expect us to win all and sundry all the time, but I would like to see some evidence of tangible progress at the club without this constant air coming out of the club of being grateful for what you have and be careful what you wish for.

    Once again (in addition to the lack of progress in the CL, aside from regularly being in it) I would reiterate our points tally in the EPL as evidence of a club that is not progressing. While we haven’t dropped out of the CL, as frequently pointed out to evidence the health of the club, I feel this standing still has a certain shelf life before others catch us and surpass us.

    Then this argument becomes void because we have not only not progressed but are now regressing. A lack of progress probably only keeps you in a decent position so long before it is no longer enough, and I feel that time is arriving.

  2. chas says:

    Cheers, GoonerB.

    You may well be right about Arsene no longer being the best at developing young talent.

    Though, who you would compare him with exactly, I’m not sure, as no manager seems to stay in a job long enough to oversee any sort of longer term development.

    Thanks also for yet another ‘mention’. 🙂

  3. fatgingergooner says:

    I don’t think it comes down to talent. We have talented players in ours squad who are more than capable of winning things as a collective (talent-wise). I believe the issue is the mentality of the players as footballers and what is asked of them as footballers. They are not asked to fight and battle and defend for their lives, they are asked to produce beautiful free flowing football first, worry about defending second. Eventually, that is going to have an effect on the teams ethos and I believe we don’t have enough players willing to defend for their lives and for each other. As an attacking unit we can look silly and smooth with everyone making runs and being interested in the ball, but as a defensive unit we are not together and lose focus and positioning and players close down as individuals instead of having some sort of structure. There is an art to defending as much as there is to attacking, and we don’t have the balance, or more importantly it seems, a manager who is interested enough in that side of the game.

    I believe Wenger can develop attacking players all day long, but I don’t believe he can develop a team that is capable of defending as a unit and fighting for each other. If we used to have that, I think it was more down to the indivdual players themselves rather than anything Wenger did. Wenger took fighters like Bergkamp, Vieira, Petit, Parlour, Lauren, Ljungberg, Keown, Campbell etc and taught them how to play beautiful football. He even managed to find a GK who was a fighter and a nutcase in Lehmann and fit him into the side! Over recent years what he’s done is sign players who are technically good and taught them how to play beautiful football, but they are not fighters, and nobody is teaching them what it takes to fight for each other and the philosophy of earning the right to play. I feel by signing the likes of Cech, Xhaka, Mustafi and Sanchez that Wenger is trying to get back to having fighters first who he can mound into beautiful players, but there are still too many in the squad who are not up for the battle and too many happy to play with the ball but not willing to battle for it. We are still a team in need of power and aggression. It seems that’s been the case for 13 years now.

  4. wally says:

    The line between wengers ego and what wenger thinks is best for the club has become blurred, to the detriment of the club and the team.

  5. mickydidit89 says:

    Thanks very much GB, much appreciated.

    Whether Arsene stays for the alleged new two year contract or not, change is in the air.

    Unlike other clubs post Utd’s Fergie, change at Arsenal will be seismic given not only the time Arsene has been at the helm, but also the influence he appears to have over the club.

    Change, which is inevitable, should be embraced as an opportunity.

    It is also a time for the Board to act in the best long term interests of the club, while making the transition seamless and implimenting change in a gentlemanly fashion.

    The latter bit will be tough due to the poisonous elements within social media surrounding Arsenal, and how that could spill over to match days at home games.

    For me, these are exciting times, as whenever it comes, change is needed.

  6. mickydidit89 says:

    Chas: “no manager seems to stay in a job long enough to oversee any sort of longer term development”

    My question, as I have no idea: should the long term strategy including developing players/youth be overseen by a Director of Football who appoints and implements these people/systems, leaving the first team manager to manage the first team only?

    ie What is a DoF?

  7. wally says:

    It has occurred to me that many (not all) of the players of whom we have questions are the homegrown players.

  8. Iceman says:

    The way Wenger’s long overdue departure is being handled by the club just mirrors their overall ineptitude. Dallying, penny-pinching transfer sagas, mind boggling contract negotiations and the stupidity to allow one man so much influence.

    Clean break. New, young hungry manager who has no qualms about booting out hangers on, lazy bastards, moaners and players who think they can show off and get what they want.

    Time has come to stop presenting this club as the perennial joke of the EPL. The fans deserve so much better, and with £226m in the bank it is high time they delivered on Gazides’ promises from 2015!!

  9. GoonerB says:

    Chas, not sure who I would compare him to. As you say not sure it is as easy as that.

    I look at Bayern with established world class players in Robben and Lewandowski but then think we have established world class players in Sanchez and Ozil.

    I look at their quality younger or youngish players like Costa and Thiago but then we had quality younger players like Iwobi and Ox.

    Their younger players just seemed to be further on, more developed adapting and improving in a position so that they can be highly effective. Their whole team was head and shoulders above us but not necessarily in terms of individual quality or potential.

    I wonder how many different positions both Thiago and Costa have had to play over the last 12 months?

    Ox has played CDM, CAM, RW and LW to my recollection over the last 12 months. Iwobi has played CAM, LW, RW (possibly CDM but not sure).

    Maybe it is more the overall environment provided for the development of players than any one man because the Bayern ones seem to be developing well even when different managers come and go, something I feel is also in evidence at other top clubs.

    However you look at it, at Arsenal it seems that our development protocol or methods seem to be lacking. Unfortunately I think Arsene dictates the nature of all of this. It is all in his image and the way he feels it should happen, so I suppose we are comparing one man (Arsene because he has so much control beyond what other managers at other clubs seemingly have) to whole clubs, as oppose to any individual manager at that club in any given period.

    I think the biggest problem now is the transition phase from precocious young talent to established world class 1st team player. Ours also seem to look good at the start of this phase then end up in a stagnant limbo.

  10. GoonerB says:

    always seem to look good….not also

  11. chas says:

    Micky and GoonerB
    I’ve really no idea how or by whose guidance young players are developed in the world of football these days.

    I doubt it’s via a Director of Football, but as I’ve no idea what a Director of Football actually does (it appears this ignorance may be fairly universal), then it could well be the DoF guiding the development of young players.

  12. chas says:

    We will definitely be in the hat for the draw of the next round of the FA Cup.

  13. chas says:

    😆

  14. chas says:

  15. mickydidit89 says:

    Chas

    Where does he want to go?

  16. fatgingergooner says:

    We should all march to encourage Sanchez to go to China. That way we get double what he’s worth and can replace him with 2 or 3 top players!

  17. fatgingergooner says:

    Are the fans somewhat to blame for the lack of youth players turning into world class players? We are the ones that are demanding better results, and we are the ones demanding wenger spend £100m a season on ready-made talent. You could argue that Wenger was finding it a lot easier to develop players just after the move to the Emirates when he was allowed time and was still trusted by the fans to be doing the right thing. Now the fans don’t trust his methods and demand he buy players which has possibly stunted the development of players like Wilshere, Ox, Ramsey, Walcott, Gibbs etc.

    These players used to play in an environment where they were cheered and lauded as the future of the club. Now though these players play in a stadium that boos them when they try something new and it doesn’t come off. Is it any wonder they go into their shell? Gervinho is an example of what can happen to a player who arrives at a difficult time and doesn’t have the breathing room to settle in. He was getting booed within a few months of being at the club. Giroud was getting grief after 1 game! Thankfully he had the strength to work through it. Maybe us fans need to have a little look at ourselves aswell.

    One comment Wenger did make today which stuck with me was this:-

    If not everything is perfect, not all is wrong.

    Got to agree with him on that one.

  18. fatgingergooner says:

    Just glancing at a list of players that haven’t fulfilled potential over the last few years and there is a common issue that has developed with a lot of them:- injuries.

    So many of the players over the last 5+ years that haven’t quite done it have had bad injuries at one point or another. It’s not an excuse, but it certainly hinders development and it’s one of the reasons we’ve struggled to develop players in the last few years.

  19. Nice one GB

    Looks like Arsenes time is coming to an end. i openly admit, when that day comes, for all the joyful memories. I will shed a tear. Just hope that when it happens, to con fellow mourners that i care, I am attending a funeral. Or if not, I’m facing trial and need to hoodwink a judge.

    No one should be denigrated for there views on Arsene. I watched the Munich game round a mates and he had two anti Wenger fans there. I wont denigrate, but there all a bunch of morons, but as I said, I wont denigrate the Twats.

    After Munichs third, they were lucky by the way and the ref was a Tosser, it got heated and I had no choice but to beat up an Estate Agent. After demands that the police be called i was asked to leave and told quite firmly that any chance of procuring a buy to let in the Southgate area were gone.

    However, the game was ongoing so I continued watching threw the window but my mate has one of those silly white net curtains so at one stage I thought we were leading 4-3. After cheering our fourth, the others noticed I was loitering outside and began to fume. After Munich had made it 4-4 they got into an argument about my by the window facial presence and left, walking straight by me.

    This caused confusion to my mate who just sat there on his own as I continued watching through the window. Despite a few awkward glances, he looking at me and me staring excitedly at the beers, he still wouldn’t invite me back in

    Then the fatal blow. Muller scoring to make it 5-4 and he opening that last ice cold Budweiser. “Come on Andy, let me in mate. 5-4 is a decent result. We will batter them at home. Got any more beers in the fridge?” Upon this, he got up and drew the main curtain, which I must say, was of a rich velvety material with a turquoise bent.

    The Ghosts of the Thirties are Stirring.

  20. wally says:

    Are the fans responsible for players not developing?
    On this i’d have to agree 110%. The number of fans that show up to the training ground day after day after day is beyond incredible. (Don’t these people have a life, jobs?) And that wenger then allows these people (with who knows what background in the game) to coach these players on technique, fitness, positioning…is simply astounding. And one thing in particular that i’ve noticed is that joe comes in one day and tells ramsey one thing and then next day mary is coming in and telling him the complete opposite. What’s a player to make of such coaching? No wonder they put in such uneven performances. You have to wonder what is going thru wenger’s mind that he allows such nonsense to occur.
    The message needs to be clear and consistent. So either the fans have to get on board or wenger needs to take control and ban the fans from the training grounds. No doubt as soon as he bans the fans the results will improve. But until then it’s completely on the fans.

    The questions that stood out to me from the press conference were the ones not asked.
    Why does this year look exactly like the last 7? Why does this keep happening? Why haven’t changes been made to address this issue(s)? Who is responsible for that?

  21. GoonerB says:

    Thanks Terry, and don’t worry mate, Southgate is so yesterday. You’ll be much happier in Cuffley next door to Eddie or possibly even in her shed.

    FGG, I thought about the progression of those youngsters back then till now and one thing struck me. Your RVP’s, Fabregas’ e.t.c were all brought in when we had other top senior players at the club. I would strongly suspect that they were influenced heavily by those players then and that served them well moving forwards.

    Who have the likes of Ramsey, AOC, Iwobi got as a barometer to look at and learn from. There is no Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry e.t.c that Cesc had on the training ground with him when he arrived.

    AW could have won the league even after 2005 with the youngsters he brought on but he had in fact already put a lot of this in place prior to the move. It was almost in anticipation of what was to come and that is a great credit to him.

    The fact that they left us one by one was not Arsene’s fault and I blame those players (collectively) that we didn’t win the league. Could you imagine if they had stayed loyal and we had a team with Cesc, Nasri, RVP, Flamini, Hleb all playing together. I think we would have won it. We didn’t because they left and weakened us without the finances for adequate replacement, and then they won something elsewhere using that as a justification of their move for trophies.

    The fact is that they moved for other reasons and it was each of their (individual) lack of a show of loyalty that undermined Arsene and Arsenal even if they want to dress it up differently.

    This lack of loyalty robbed Wenger of his moment and since then the youngsters haven’t looked like developing anywhere near those that came before.

    As I say I think the players around those young players compared to the current ones makes a big difference, but I also strongly feel Arsene has changed in himself in how he best sees a players development happening. As I said I think he tinkers far too much now with these frequent multi positional changes in playing position, something I don’t think happened before, or at least nowhere near this level.

    That reason and the lack of experience / winning mentality around them is the big difference for me and it has nothing to do with the fans really. That is just an unfortunate by-product of the problems that were already unfolding. It might not help but I think we are kidding ourselves if we think it (the fans) is the key underlying reason.

  22. fatgingergooner says:

    GB,

    I wasn’t saying fans are the main reason for the failures, obviously, but I think the atmosphere in the stadium and the pressure on the back of that is definitely a factor as to why we no longer develop the players we’d like.

    I also think what you’ve said there about the players at the club carries on a bit from what I was talking about earlier. Wenger seemed to shift the type of player he was buying and suddenly it was no longer a case of getting strong, athletic, aggressive players and it was more about getting technical, quick players. This change seemed to make us weaker from a mentality point of view aswell as players like Denilson, Arshavin, Nasri, Hleb, Walcott, Clichy, Vermaelen, Song, Vela etc were all technically sound but pretty weak mentally, or so it seemed. It’s no wonder, like you say, that the youngsters who were looking up to these guys struggled with the tough parts of the game. Not exactly what you would class as tough tackling types.

  23. GunnerN5 says:

    For several years I’ve stated on AA that our 12th man is non existent and my views have been blown out of the water.

    Fans like those at Liverpool, Crystal Palace and Burnley are there to urge and drive their teams on while ours turn to moans and groans when the team needs them the most. The negativity coming from the stands transmits directly to the players and simply makes them wary of being the next player to be ridiculed.

    I realise that the game against Bayern turned into an embarrassing disaster but that in itself is no reason for the football world to start writing post mortem’s about everything Arsenal and Arsene.

    I remain hopeful that AW will ignore the chorus of criticism and prove everyone wrong by signing another contract.

  24. Big Raddy says:

    GB. Thank you for a thoughtful post.

    Terry. I wish I had beaten up an estate agent, would have been a positive on a difficult evening

  25. I will give you his address Raddy. Tell him your here to punish those who gain pleasure from the housing crises. If he try’s to make out he has negative equity, beat him harder.

    Just to go on record, I think Arsene should stay and I really hope he signs a new contract.

    Arsenal are not a Man City or Chelsea. Besides not having there money our whole ethos and structure is completely different and I openly say to those reading, it is a structure and culture which is admired, especially by the professionals

    We should stick with our great, most successful, and most consistent manager of all time. Trust? It’s hard to come by these days so I ask you this? Do you trust our legendary manager to do what is right for Arsenal Football Club? I think most rational people know the answer to this.

    Arsene will do what is best for the Club. If it means staying on he will do so. If it means departing in the summer he will do that instead.

    Arsene Wenger – Legend

  26. Eddie says:

    very good post indeed. thank you GB
    My sentiments precisely – best manager we have ever had, but now we need even better. He got us 2-3 notches up, maybe more, but the remaining 3 someone else will have to push for. We have to win the League soon to get the credibility of the best club back.

  27. Eddie says:

    I think we all need cheering up – here it is

    My brand new state of the art washing machine doesn’t spin larger items properly. After corresponding with Samsung for months, finally they sent an approved engineer. The engineer examined the appliance and said that it is not designed to spin large items. Wait, wait for it – he suggested that
    1 I buy a second machine for larger items
    2 that I swap it with the one I left in the old house for the tenants
    3 I wring the items by hand 🙂

    Am I fooking mad or the world has gone tits up?? It happened, Peaches was here and heard it all. Buy a second machine or swap it 🙂 🙂 or do it by hand 🙂 🙂 I think I am going to go to press with this one

  28. GunnerN5 says:

    Don’t fret Eddie you should buy yourself a mangle that would solve some of your issues. No electricity needed and you get lots of exercise and you can keep it in the back garden..

  29. Eddie, there are other options.

    1) Do not wash clothes. This should guarantee idiots stay away when your out walking the dogs. But make sure the dogs are on a tight leash

    2) Break into the neighbors and use there machine. I have done this several times. They now have a Priest in to exorcise poltergeists, probably to with the time they came back early so I had to hide. The wife now insists she looked in the machine and saw a spinning face which in her words was ” A horrendously ugly bastard”

    3) Use a public launderette. You might have to travel away from Cuffly for that? There’s loads of them in Tottenham. Flatter your eyelids and tell some man who looks like he eats ready made meals that you have forgotten your purse and you get the washing done for free

  30. Eddie says:

    GN5 and Terry 🙂

    I shall pass on your suggestions to Samsung

  31. GoonerB says:

    Terry 😂😂

    Just what is needed when some morose negative bustard puts up a morose negative bastard post.

    p.s I have just abandoned my evening course on how to become an estate agent in 15 days. Sticking to camel stuff from now on. Don’t want to be enjoying that brandy with yourself only to be caught with a sneaky jab to the ribs with some rusty kebab skewers.

  32. Big Raddy says:

    On balance I hold up my hand

  33. Ant says:

    I love the mangle theme
    I still know all the words to that Derek and Clive muse.

  34. mickydidit89 says:

    More than anything, I think we could all do with a damn good transfer window

    In the meantime…. mmm, thinks

  35. mickydidit89 says:

    Derek and Clive’s jump you fucker is brilliant and unlike most humour, timeless.

  36. mickydidit89 says:

    Ooooooo at last
    Looking superb on the wave front this morning. Have to wait and see what it looks like on the outgoing but looking gooooood

    http://www.eyeballhq.tv/surfcheck/saunton/

  37. Eddie says:

    “Harry Redknapp: Tottenham to win title within four years, says former Spurs boss”

    another lie. How is Rosie?

  38. Eddie says:

    didit – when is best time of the year for surfing, summer? or autumn?
    how is your arm anyway, all healed, no permanent damage?

    I cannot wait for the spring, I need to go out, get some fresh air and sun or I will burst. Peaches is turning my garden by 45 degrees and creating sections of a circle there. Got it? I have no idea what she is talking about, but I am very excited – soooo much gardening will be required 🙂 and buying lots and lots of plants, bliss…

    And then summer and NO fecking football. Bliss…

  39. mickydidit89 says:

    Hello Eddie

    Waves can be perfect at any time of year

    Best time in UK will always be between May and November as you don’t have to wear thicker winter wet suits which are heavy and cumbersome

  40. mickydidit89 says:

    Actually, to give to a specific month, I’d say October. Autumn swells have arrived and sea temp still around 14’ish

  41. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    No football …. bliss??? Get a grip woman.

    What are you going to do without AFC? Think about the state of the world? Trump, Brexit, the rise of the far right throughout the western world, demise of the NHS, ISIS, N. Korea etc etc?

    Give me a 5-1 loss in Germany and will AW stay.

  42. Eddie says:

    raddy – you’ve been drinking 🙂
    Trump, Brexit, Isis and North Korea are all bad news, tragic in fact. It feels the world is going backwards.

    No football bliss = no tension, no extra upsets, more time to do some gardening/beekeeping etc. I need a break from footy, it becomes to irritate me. I watch Lincoln playing the other day, the dedication, the desire, the joys of winning – what for? To climb up the table and become some rich man’s toy or even worse easy money?

  43. mickydidit89 says:

    Come on you lot, there are positives in everything

    As for Arsenal, they should announce the Arsene contract thing as soon as possible as uncertainty is not good.

  44. Big Raddy says:

    Positives? Just the fact that I am not as delusional as Harry Redknapp is a massive plus.

  45. mickydidit89 says:

    ha ha
    If ‘arry really did say Spuds would win the title within four years, then he is way dimmer than I thought

  46. mickydidit89 says:

    ok, sun shines, outside for me

  47. chas says:

  48. Eddie says:

    October is my favourite month of the year, I just love it.

    Agree about announcing Wenger contract thingy. Well, that is if the club is going to say Wenger is a Gonner. But if he is to stay, they will not hurry dropping that bomb

    So the longer it goes on the more probability of AW staying put.

  49. fatgingergooner says:

    I think he’s staying. He’s going to need a hell of a transfer window to get everyone on board, especially with Sanchez and Özil likely to be going, and don’t forget we have others who’s contracts are in a similar position.

    I think he’s said before about leaving the club in a strong position for the next man in. I don’t see him bailing out with a lot of key players futures unresolved and the team as it is at the moment.

    According to Arseblog these players are due up next year:-

    Ox
    Wilshere
    Gibbs
    Sanchez
    Özil
    Szscesny
    Cech
    Debuchy
    Jenkinson
    Campbell

    Quite a lot of talent on that list, although the way I feel now they can all leave! 😀

    Some good news though, Sanogo expires this year. Maybe the club are waiting for him to sign so they can announce him and Wenger together! 😂

  50. Eddie says:

    fattie – I don’t know if to laugh or to cry. Sanogo and Campbell, I forgot about them

    Stormey times ahead of us. One way or another there will be changes. I still think that Wenger will resign and go to prove his brilliance elsewhere, perhaps in China? Many retired football pros go there

  51. fatgingergooner says:

    Eddie,

    If the club do a massive announcement for Sanogo’s new 10 year 200k a week contract then maybe they can sneak Wengers new deal through unnoticed.

    Joking aside though there is a very big transfer window coming up for Arsenal. It’s no wonder the board would rather have Wenger oversee it than a new manager who may come in, spend loads of money and be off again in 12 months due to poor results. The board trust Wenger (rightly so given his track record) and they probably feel there is less risk having him deal with this difficult situation.

  52. chas says:

  53. VP of Oz says:

    work has kept me away so its taken a few days to read all the comments and catch up. I even put in a comment thinking I had caught up but then saw the new post and another 50+ comments to read.

    I do like the way Gary Neville has been going up against the negative biased ArsenalFanTV. Why can’t they include some fans that are not negative to balance it out and make viewing palatable. I thought they’re commentators were mad when one of them said that even if Arsene led Arsenal to the treble this season, he has to go. What the!!!

    here is my comment again albeit out of context now –

    Gary Neville meets ArsenalFanTV –
    “…be clear. the coach, the manager, the board would be fully aware of everything you will be saying on social media, everything you are saying on this channel, and they will be aware of the fans discontent through booing, through the fact that before half time when your not winning or losing at home to a team you think you should be beating and there’s that ooorrgh! they can see the empty seats which I saw behind ..there were some empty seats there at the game on Saturday. Thats where you see discontent. So they will be fully aware of your voices. However they will just disagree with the fact, they’ve got a lower budget than… City have spent a billion, United have spent 750mil, Chelsea have spent nearly 750mil, I think Tottenham have spent 560mil even though their net spend is less, Liverpool have spent a lot more than Arsenal. They will be looking at that and they’ll be thinking, no they’ll be looking at that and thinking we are getting a really good level of performance and consistency from our manager with a budget we’re giving him. We can never compete with City and Chelsea on those budgets. They’ve spent double what we’ve spent. So my view would be that they might be looking, they might be listening to you and thinking..We Disagree, have you thought of that.”

    My view is that if Arsene has enough of the negativity and decides to leave and go to another club, then he will be successful with that club whilst Arsenal might fall away for a period, say 5 years, before getting backing into contention again (not winning titles, just in contention).

    I read this comment on ESPN today –
    Rocky John Rambo · Party Pooping Ace at Party pooper:
    haha, I’m a United fan and would take Arsene Wenger as a manager any day in the week twice on sunday. Its not Arsene Wenger, its how the club operates. Like everyone is saying he spends less, but thats probably because of the club owners are happy with it. He sold every other star and doesn’t really finish anything below 4th. You seriously don’t want that kind of manager? you must be a low life. If Mourinho wasn’t here, i wouldn’t be surprised the United board going for him, esp Sir Alex who knows him pretty well. He would freely spend at United and be successful. He knows how to manage. Arsene Wenger should just quit on Arsenal fans, not the club.

  54. Big Raddy says:

    VP. Nice comment.

    It has to be said that it wasn’t the fans who let AW down in recent weeks. It was the team AW built and developed.

    A root and branch rebuild is simply not going to happen. Whether AW stays or goes.

  55. mickydidit89 says:

    MmmmErik

    Equally one could argue that it was AW who let the club down by selecting the wrong players, or even the right players but sending them out in the wrong order with the wrong instructions and without the rockets in place up their arses

    Big thing is, it’s impossible to prove any of the above because we’re not allowed to play the game again

  56. mickydidit89 says:

    More importantly, how’s the Danish weekend going and what the hell are you doing giving alcohol the swerve?

  57. Eddie says:

    micky – it is obvious why Raddy gave up boozing. He got so pissed one weekend that he bought a full Spurs kit and sat in front of the telly to watch and cheer them, then he woke up thinking he was Harry Kane!!!

  58. Eddie says:

    great games yesterday. Borough v Oxford was amazing, we don’t see such passion anymore

  59. Big Raddy says:

    Micky. Still rotten hence no booze.

    If you read my 5.38 of yesterday, you will see I agree, the buck stops at the top.

  60. chas mobile says:

  61. fatgingergooner says:

    No Welbs tomorrow then. Perez, Giroud and Walcott up top?

  62. chas says:

  63. chas says:

  64. Eddie says:

    ha ha ha, I had to google what happened in Sweden 🙂

  65. mickydidit89 says:

    How can we stop Chas despairing?

    Crisps? Cider? Scented candles? 🙂

  66. Terrible news last night from Sweden. No terrorist attacks. Those bastards that didn’t perpetuate violence should be hunted down and severely punished.

    We live in a crazy world. Arsene is derided and persecuted for failing to play negative football whilst Trump gets away with pretending he’s a Redneck whithout ever been observed playing a Banjo?

    The only thing I admire about Trump is his ability to lie to your face knowing he can’t get away with it but knowing he will.

  67. mickydidit89 says:

    Got it.

    Eddie…pack an overnight bag 🙂

  68. ArseneAround? says:

    Hark! I hear a ribtickling chant from my telly…”we want Wenger to stay” they’ve defeated AW’s Arsenal 7 times out of 45 attempts over 21 years of consecutive St Totts’ days moveable feasts I makes it!

  69. Eddie says:

    terry – do you think Trump will impose travel ban now on those travelling from Sweden?

    an overnight bag?

  70. mickydidit89 says:

    Yes Eddie
    You’re off to Nottingham to lift the Chas spirits in the best way you can

  71. mickydidit89 says:

    I like the name Arsenearound 🙂

  72. mickydidit89 says:

    The blue knickers or the lubricant?

  73. chas says:

  74. mickydidit89 says:

    FA CUP draw at 6:30

  75. Eddie says:

    I couldn’t lift my dogs’ poo, let alone anyone else’s spirit. Especially chas’

    That Lincoln team is really growing on my, I hope we avoid them and they win the cup. Or even better come second

    Harry Kane scored a hattrick, it wasn’t you Raddy

  76. I would be worried if I was ABBA Eddie. I actually agree with Trump on this. We all know ABBA caused illegal immigration to rocket by letting Fernando and Chiquita in and they instigated world inequality by encouraging the wealthy with “it’s a rich mans world”

    For Trump, a Banjo playing hick who lives in a tower block in Peckham, ABBA were always going to be a target.

  77. RC78 says:

    http://www.footballuser.com/1561538/Arsenal

    We just need one player in midfield. I think that if we get someone like Rabiot or Verratti to play alongside Ramsey, we are more than fine.

    I also put Oxlade on the left side of our defense as a WB as I play a 3-4-1-2 with Bellerin and Oxlade as the WB. Ozil as the 10 and Sanchez and Giroud up front. I need Giroud for his aerial ability and link up play

    The back three is fast and solid with Mustafi, Kos, Monreal

  78. RC78 says:

    [img]http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2017/02/1561538_Arsenal.jpg[/img]

  79. GunnerN5 says:

    Auto update
    On

    6:34PM

    Sutton or Arsenal

    at home to Lincoln City

    6:33PM

    Tottenham at home to

    Millwall

    6:33PM

    Middlesbrough at home to…

    Huddersfield or Man City

    6:33PM

    Chelsea first out

    they play Manchester United

  80. fatgingergooner says:

    Got to be happy with that FA Cup draw. Need to beat Sutton first though!

  81. GunnerN5 says:

    Holy Moly we get a free pass into the semi final…………………

  82. RC78 says:

    Then we can keep in the squad:
    Ospina – Holding, Gibbs – Xhaka, El Neny – Iwobi – Wellbeck, Walcott

    The rest – just sell including our greats BFG, Cazorla, Wilshere, Coquelin AND others like Perez, Gabriel

    and buy a new RB, another 2 CBs, 1 midfielder, 1 winger, 1 striker

  83. Eddie says:

    GN5 – are you mad?? have you not watched Lincoln? They are hot hot hot, we need fire extinguishers

    Terry 🙂 you know all best ABBA songs 🙂

  84. fatgingergooner says:

    Could be some very strong semi finalists in this years FA Cup!

  85. GunnerN5 says:

    FGG you are so right, The semi finalists should be –

    Arsenal
    Spurs
    Man C
    Chelsea or Man U.

    It doesn’t get much better than that.

  86. fatgingergooner says:

    Our fixtures now include Sutton away and Lincoln home. I knew things were bad but didn’t realise we’d been relegated to the National League!

  87. GunnerN5 says:

    I cannot envisage it being anything other than an all PL semi final.

  88. fatgingergooner says:

    GN5,

    Ties to be played at Wembley too. Don’t think they’ll have any problems selling tickets!

  89. GunnerN5 says:

    No, no, FGG we just got elevated into the highest division of Lady Luck!!

  90. GunnerN5 says:

    FGG I just hope that our away fans are loud and supportive, I wonder how many tickets we have been allocated out of the total capacity of 5013?

    These are the sort of games that I always tried to get to when I lived in England.

  91. mickydidit89 says:

    Wow, ok, this is going to be quite a year for the FAC

    Would expect two top teams to contest the final

  92. GunnerN5 says:

    Micky, Both semis and the final are must watch games – brilliant.

  93. GunnerN5 says:

    By the way just how unusual is it to be so confident of a semi final place when we still have two games left to play to get there.

  94. mickydidit89 says:

    Funnily enough GN5, I said the other day how come match day I always believe we will win, even away at sides like Bayern.

    The one time I get the jitters is the real minnows, and now we have two lined up.

  95. GunnerN5 says:

    Micky minnows are used as bait and they caught us – but they are biting off far more than they can chew.

  96. Eddie says:

    I think someone set up Trump with the Swedish terrorism news. It is not as if he watches the news and prepares his speaches. Someone does it for him and that someone stitched him up

    either this or the cretin had mistaken Sweden for Syria, close init

  97. Eddie says:

    yes micky, it is strange that you think we can beat Bayern but not Lincoln 🙂

  98. chas mobile says:

    He was just talking about something that he saw on Fox News the night before – so that’s cleared that up.

  99. Eddie says:

    cleared up nothing. What was the story about imigrants and Sweden?

  100. chas says:

  101. chas says:

  102. chas says:

  103. mickydidit89 says:

    ha ha h aChas. I’ve BEEN that couple

  104. Eddie says:

    cats 🙂
    in Poland we say ‘kto sie czubi ten sie lubi’ (those who like each other fight the most’. Like me and you 🙂 🙂

  105. mickydidit89 says:

    Gather round
    I’ll tell you why I’m looking forward to the game tonight more than usual
    After a lifetime of crap streams due to weak broadband, I head into tonight’s fixture heaving with 70mg of the gorgeous stuff

  106. chas says:

    70 milligrammes of what?
    Give us some

  107. mickydidit89 says:

    Oh wooops 🙂

  108. chas says:

    Eddie
    That’s all very nice but isn’t it true that Micky is the only one you don’t actually fight with? 🙂

  109. Eddie says:

    yeah, what gorgeous stuff??

  110. chas says:

    Also, the game is on BBC1. 🙂

  111. chas says:

    Make sure you don’t miss the 6pm kick off though.

  112. mickydidit89 says:

    oh ffs

  113. Eddie says:

    oh I love micky, cannot fight with him 🙂

    Seriously though, I have a problem. My cousin in America is one of the nicest people I know, I really like her. Sadly she likes Trump. I mean it – I can barely talk to her now, I cannot get over the fact that she is a nice person yet wholeheartedly supports Trump!! And I never thought her stupid, or racist. But not I think she is all of that. I am really upset about it…we grew up together

  114. mickydidit89 says:

    Sorry, not ffs at you Eddie. Gorgeous stuff = Mb download. We finally have fibre shit

  115. chas says:

    Definitely a tricky stage……

  116. mickydidit89 says:

    Eddie

    Depends entirely on her reasoning. If she thinks, like many, that Hilary was more right wing and more establishment and more elitist, then she might be on solid ground.

    Ask her nicely her reasons

  117. Eddie says:

    Gorgeous stuff = fibre shit. I give up

    I got up early coz I have lots to do before the game starts, not to waste hours blogging 🙂 🙂 laters

  118. mickydidit89 says:

    Chas

    Not a tricky stage for some at all

  119. Eddie says:

    you are right micky – she absolutely hates the Clintons. I will ask her nicely later

  120. mickydidit89 says:

    Oh bloody hell Eddie. Blog through the first two coffees and then away

  121. mickydidit89 says:

    The plastic pitch at Sutton

    Are they allowed in The League?

  122. chas says:

    Yep, anti-establishment vote, same as all the thickies voting for Brexit here. 🙂

  123. mickydidit89 says:

    exactly chas 🙂

  124. mickydidit89 says:

    Superb article. Thanks. Love lawn maintenance info

  125. Eddie says:

    I voted Brexit for a joke
    Not fooking funny anymore, is it

    yours sincerely
    Thicko

  126. mickydidit89 says:

    Does Per start, Erik?

  127. mickydidit89 says:

    Ok Erik
    Here’s something I’ve been thinking about

    Instead of a back three, you have a very deep lying DM

    So, with Per Holding Coq, the full backs could push on

    What do you think? 🙂

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