Stale Arsenal leave fans fuming at full time whistle!

A new season, a new kit (3 in fact) and only a few new players so far. However the same problems seem to remain at Arsenal Football Club, one of English footballs grandest clubs. The team traveled to Leicester and left with 1 point but this maybe a watershed moment given the hostile chanting towards Mr Wenger, at the end of the match, by the away fans.

The journey to Leicester was filled with apprehension more than optimism given Arsenal’s poor record at the start of the season and the feeling of being “under-prepared” yet again. On arrival and walking to the Counting House pub, there was lots of talk about possible incoming transfers with most fans voicing their frustration at the lack of money being spent.

warmup

As fans got their last orders in, the teams were announced and there was huge relief to see the name Laurent Koscielney in the starting line up after he’d had a  busy summer with France at Euro 2016. By contrast there was disappointment that Giroud was on the bench leaving Alexis to lead the line one more time.

the ground

 

champs

Arsenal kicked off and set themselves under pressure from the off as new boy Granit Xhaka gave the ball away cheaply, which was played forward to Jamie Vardy, the man who rejected Arsenal’s attention over the summer. A chorus of boos and jeers from the travelling support greeted the Leicester forward as the danger was cleared.

The Gunners began to get in their stride with Cazorla trying to pull the strings in midfield and making Arsenal play. The flanks were proving to be Arsenal’s best option but there were numerous occasions when the final delivery was disappointing. The fans then slowly started to bemoan the lack of presence up front with Alexis playing as a makeshift forward.

play

Another Leicester man, Riyad Mahrez, who like Vardy, rejected Arsenal’s advances was next to be hounded by the away support every time he touched the ball with one man in the upper tier chanting “you could have played for a big club, played for a big club, you could have played for a big club!” Then on 24 minutes play was brought back as Francis Coquelin picked up a yellow card for a late challenge on the rattled Jamie Vardy who was sent sprawling to the floor.

Arsenal began to work through the gears with Hector Bellerin charging forward at every opportunity. The fans then began to turn on Theo Walcott who seemed to be non-existent and fans were getting angry at his lack of runs. Fans began to question his £120k salary per week, with one young fan screaming “you’ve done nothing in 10 years apart from grow a beard!”

Then Arsenal’s first attempted shot came from the lively Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain which brought some to enthusiasm to the fans. Then the first contentious decision of the game. Cech came racing out of his goal to deny Leicester, Drinkwater want crashing to the ground. Mark Clattenburg waved away the penalty claims as Laurent Koscielny was deemed to have got a touch on the ball with his momentum taking Drinkwater down.

Half time and much of the talk in the concourse was about Arsenal’s lack of cutting edge with the play being too predictable and intricate.

grumps

The second half began and Leicester ramped up the pressure with Mahrez looking to unlock the Arsenal defence. The fans were warming to young Rob Holding who alongside Koscielny was delivering a very resolute performance winning his aerial duels and keeping Vardy in check.

The Arsenal fans began to turn on Mark Clattenburg as Mendy was forced to go off the pitch with the stretcher coming out but the player standing much to the displeasure of Arsenal fans who wanted the game to continue. One fan shouted “how is Clattenburg a World Cup referee!”

Again Arsenal were up to their usual tricks of trying to overcook the ball with Chamberlain being the culprit trying to play the perfect ball through leaving supporters fuming and Walcott again looking lost and low on confidence with supporters chanting for Mesut Ozil to appear. Bellerin then tried his luck from distance but his shot was easily saved. Walcott then had an effort ruled out for offside and Chamberlain faded as the game progressed. Vardy was then off target as his shot was too high with the ball landing in row z.

Arsenal fans were then pleading with Arsene Wenger to show more desire and stand on the touch line with supporters asking  “how the f**k can the players be inspired when all he does is f**king sit down!” In contrast his counterpart Mr Ranieri was in his technical area barking instructions at all times.

Finally some substitutions were made but fans were moaning about how late these changes came. Wilshere and Ozil came on for Xhaka and Cazorla and the difference was glaring. Ozil was a delight to watch as he forced the issue and was trying to make the team go forward in search of that elusive goal. Olivier Giroud shortly followed coming into the pitch after Walcott was through only for his take effort to be deflected wide. Then moments later Walcott was through on goal with Giroud free for what would have been a simple tap in but Walcott went for glory himself and missed and the this was the turning point for the fans who were fuming more towards the manager than the players. The chant “spend some f**king money” was ringing around the King Power Stadium with Leicester fans finding the whole episode rather amusing.

Ozil had a late chance but was denied and then a Leicester free kick late on never troubled Cech. Ahmed Musa was sent to the ground under Hector Bellerin with the young Spaniard very fortunate not to have given away a penalty in the dying moments of the game.

During the last 10 minutes the supporters were expressing their anger and the majority of the away support where chanting ‘Wenger out’. This is why it could be a watershed moment as the support for the manager is waning fast with perhaps it being 70-30 in the Wenger out camp. The chant was deafening and there was no denying that the atmosphere at the end was toxic amongst the away support. The game was over and it was a case of 2 points dropped rather than 1 point gained and the Arsenal fans were left pondering what might have been. Some pressing concerns for the supporters as the aggressive chants continued as fans headed for the exits.

the end2

Outside the ground there was fighting between Arsenal and Leicester fans and reports of missiles being thrown at the Arsenal supporters end which struck a child, a young Arsenal fan. This left Arsenal fans reeling resulting in clashes with Leicester supporters. Online reports claiming the fighting was between Arsenal fans was wide of the mark and nonsense.

Again a poor start to the season.. I ask myself why do we put ourselves through this every season. Maybe us fans should be in the dug out and on the pitch. Maybe then we will have a club who will show the desire to reach the top of English football once again.

We want our Arsenal back! UTA!!!

Written by Sir A

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102 Responses to Stale Arsenal leave fans fuming at full time whistle!

  1. Oooops I’ve left a question mark in the post ………….. who came off when Jack and Mesut came on?

  2. fatgingergooner says:

    Cazorla.

  3. fatgingergooner says:

    Interesting report that makes me glad I don’t go to many games. Be better off sat with the opposition fans by the sounds of it! When people say ‘We want our Arsenal back’ is that the one before Arsene came? Or is it just the one before we moved stadiums? Or is it the one after the 2 FA Cup wins in 2 years? Always confuses me that one.

  4. Anstey Pete says:

    So…what makes a ‘big club’?
    One that has just won a title or one that has lots of fans who moan about their manager?

  5. Rasp says:

    Thanks for the very detailed report Sir A.

    It is clear that the main beef with supporters is the lack of what are perceived as necessary signings. In Holding we have a young player of immense potential who would have been playing in Div 1 last season and is now starting for Arsenal against the champions.

    So far so good, he’s done well, I just hope we are not heaping too much on his young shoulders.

    It may be that the quality of his performances means that AW will deem the signing of a ready made top CB as unnecessary …. well fine, if that is the case just spend the budget on a top striker, because that is what we need.

    As for the game, it was as predictable as the first. Some good individual performances (kozzer is immense), passages of play when we had possession but posed no threat, and the recurring theme of being too slow to get the ball forward and being intricate when direct would have been more effective.

  6. Uwot? says:

    We’re one of the worlds “giant clubs”no question.sadly we have a “midget”mentally……

  7. fatgingergooner says:

    Rasp,

    The Mustafi deal will probably get done, but what some people seem to fail to realise is having him a month ago would’ve made zero difference to the first 2 games as A) he’s been at the Euro’s, and B) he’s had an injury. It may have shown the fans (most of whom have barely seen him kick a ball, including myself) that we are ‘ambitious’ and a ‘big club’ but other than that, no difference to signing him last day of the season. Crazy.

  8. TommyH says:

    Very good report!
    Indeed Holding showed that he is a capable CB. He is sharp enough to make the necessary adjustments within the next few games. True, a new CB singing may deem unnecessary. In the other hand, AW hammering that we do have the power house at the front end proved to be one more time just a bul…..t. He still has the time and the opportunity to splash money for a quality striker. “There is ne good quality striker to be had” excuse that AW will eventually make at the end of the transfer window shall be UNACCEPTABLE by the fans. Spend the money damn it’s!,,,

  9. TotalArsenal says:

    Wow Sir A, that is a fine match review from the stands. Love the crowd quotes, especially the one re Theo’s beard hahaha. 😀⚽️

    Sadly, it is also an accurate account of the dissatisfaction of a section of the fans. Everything has gone toxic it seems. ☹️ 💩

    Had we beaten Pool a hard fought draw against the Foxes would have been a good result. But perspective is always at short supply nowadays. I hate it that a team that won the FA cup twice in the last three years and finished second last year has such spoiled brats as supporters, with such little trust in the squad and Wenger’s abilities and such belief in the God of Player Purchases as the one and only saviour. Maybe it is time to on a fellow supporter and media strike.

  10. Rasp says:

    Hi FGG, I’m not so convinced the Mustafi deal will go through to be honest. Which would you rather – a striker or a CB, because I’m pretty sure we won’t get both

  11. LB says:

    Great report and two excellent comments: Slim’s 10.23 reassures me that the view I have chosen is the right one and I think you have to be a pretty mean spirited Arsenal supporter not to feel that Anstey Pete does have a point.

  12. Big Raddy says:

    Thank you Sir A,.

    I haven’t seen the match yet and having read your report perhaps that is a good thing!

    FGG 10.23. Seconded (or is it 3rded after LB?)

  13. fatgingergooner says:

    Rasp,

    I can’t see us getting a ST. I think Wengers recent comments about having Sanchez, Akpom, Sanogo (groan), Walcott and Welbeck as alternatives to Giroud make me think he’s given up the ST hunt. He’s also talked about wanting to use Sanchez energy higher up the pitch which makes sense. If that’s the case then I still believe he might go out and get a top class wide player like Draxler in the last few days of the window and start to use Sanchez as a ST more often. I don’t think it has worked yet in the 2 games we’ve seen but that’s without Özil as a 10, so I don’t think we can judge just yet. I’d also like to see Giroud and Sanchez used as a 2 in bigger games like France did with Griezemann in the World Cup.

    Cech
    Bellerin Mustafi Koscielny Monreal
    Ramsey Coquelin Xhaka Özil
    Sanchez
    Giroud

    I think Ramsey is capable of bombing up and down like Sissoko did from the right, then you’ve got Coquelin doing Kante’s role and Xhaka doing Matuidi’s role with Özil being the creative player the left ie Payet. This would allow Sanchez to float and link up with Giroud just as Griezemann did.

    To answer your question I think we need and will get a CB and the ST may not come. If we are lucky though Wenger will go out and get us a quality wide player instead. I’d be happy with that.

  14. Rasp says:

    Thanks FGG, my point was that if you combine the budget for CB and striker and pay more for a ST, we may be able to get the quality we need.

    I don’t think Sanchez is cut out to be a central striker, he’s better when he can pick the ball up deeper. Only possibly Welbeck could be an option for Giroud and sadly his injury history suggests he may not be available a lot of the time.

  15. TotalArsenal says:

    Love that formation, FGG. Elneny for Le Coq for me but that one could work a treat.

  16. fatgingergooner says:

    Pretty much agree with you on that Rasp although I do t want to give up the idea of Sanchez up top until he’s played with Özil in the side. I think it could work but agree that Sanchez is far better when he’s facing the goal with ball at feet and that doesn’t happen enough as a ST. I get what you are saying about the budget but the players worth paying upwards of £50m for are at clubs like Real, Bayern, Juve, Dortmund etc. There’s only Aubemeyang I could realistically see us getting and even then I don’t think he’d come. People rattle on about Lacazette but that’s just because we might be able to get him and they will take anyone. I’m not convinced he’s the answer. I’d still rather us use the budget to buy a CB and wide player than Lacazette.

  17. Rasp says:

    The wide player I would have liked would have been Mahrez – but that boat has departed 😦

  18. GunnerN5 says:

    Thank you for the match report Sir A, your reporting of the away supporters comments is very disturbing as prior to Chas correcting me I thought (from TV coverage) that they always sounded extremely supportive.

    FGG beat me to the question of “We want OUR Arsenal back” which Arsenal is it that you want back? – it would be interesting to know the answer. In my mind the Arsenal we have had for the last 20 years is the best Arsenal that I’ve supported in 70 years. Of course we have issues but what team doesn’t?

    Most certainly a new manger can inject a new spirit in the team as we have already seen this season with Pep, Conte and Mourinho – all 3 have perfect starts to the season — But they also have another thing in common — a bottomless supply of MONEY.

    Eddie you say that Man U are ambitious – I say that their ambition is fueled by endless MONEY.

    We simply cannot compete with these teams as it’s not a level playing field. It’s so easy to say, as I read earlier in the blog, that we should combine the money we have budgeted for a CB and striker and buy a great striker – but along with that striker will go a wage demand that we will not be able to meet without throwing our whole wage system out of whack.

    I love my Arsenal without reservation.

  19. I’m not sure Mahrez was ever on Rasp. The fact he’s signed a new deal suggests it was just his agent getting him a deal. I may be alone in this but I’m not convinced by him either. He was outstanding last season but I don’t think he’s all that. Maybe we will find out this year. I could be very wrong!

    Mkhitaryan would’ve been my choice but he wanted United.

    Draxler would be nice though!

  20. VP of Oz says:

    My 2 cents worth (not sure what that is in pence), Sanchez as striker is in my view a Wenger ploy to get him to re-sign.
    As for all the fan moaning, to put it into perspective, over at another club, sounds similar –
    Seema Naga
    I have stated before, lfc will remain midtable as long as we have fenway as owners n klopp as manager. Klopp too often loses the plot n remain clueless though he is regarded as a brillant manager. But for me lfc needs a serious msnager , not a touchline clown. Two matches n already five goals conceded.

    Jonathan Wong · English FA Licensed Football Coach at Asia Pacific Sports Management
    This is absolutely disastrous. There is one thing I do not agree with Klopp is that I believe every team that is looking to win big titles must have a few superstar players in it. Look at Barcelona and Real Madrid, you will know what I am talking about. I know Liverpool at this time is not able to attract superstar players, but Klopp thinks he does not need one to win big titles.

  21. GunnerN5 says:

    I agree FGG; I feel that Mahrez is now a known quantity, as is Vardy and neither of them will be as successful as they were last season. In fact 2015/16 may well end end up as one off season for them.

  22. Rasp says:

    I’m pretty sure Mahrez would have gone had Barca or Bayern come in for him. It’s a win/win situation for agents – either they benefit from an increase in the player’s wages at the current club, or profit from a transfer fee plus wages.

    Obviously wages are factored in when buying a player, it’s all part of the package as well as consideration of a sell-on value in the future.

  23. fatgingergooner says:

    VP,

    Everyone is so informed these days that they are all experts. If there was as much info on surgeries then some of these morons would be operating on themselves! Shame there isn’t 😂

    I agree Mahrez would’ve gone to one of the big guns but unfortunately I don’t think that included us, unless maybe we would’ve given him crazy wages, which wouldn’t happen.

  24. GunnerN5 says:

    FGG 🙂 🙂 🙂

  25. fatgingergooner says:

    I’d buy that Stuani from Boro! Jeeeezus!

  26. chas says:

    Thanks, Sir A.

    We seemed to be much luckier than you with our seat position.
    We were right on the border between us and Leicester fans behind the goal.

    There wasn’t as much whining as we had to endure against Liverpool last week. As a consequence, it was a far more pleasurable experience

    I swear it will be the fans rather than the team that cause me to stop going (if that happens).

    That ‘spend some effin money’ chant really grates on my nerves as well. It’s almost as if it doesn’t matter who we buy as long as we buy someone. The stupidity is quite beyond belief.

    Two games in and I’m almost looking forward to the upcoming international break. 🙂

  27. GunnerN5 says:

    Chas, the fact is that the disgruntled (I’m being polite) fans are putting off all other fans in the grounds and especially on blogs
    – it sickens me.

    It’s time to fight back!!!!!!!!!!

  28. chas says:

    I saw this and thought of how Micky might react!

  29. chas says:

    GN5
    I reckon I’m just not ambitious enough to be a modern day Arsenal supporter.
    Maybe if I stopped going some proper fans could go.

  30. GunnerN5 says:

    Chas I’ve been (perhaps) overly direct about my abhorrence, yes abhorrence and utter disgust aimed at the anti Arsenal brigade and those that tell us everything that has gone wrong and what they would have done to ensure success. It’s typically after the fact and involves countless players that the biased media have reported that we were after and did not get – because AW would not spend enough.

    They are just F***ing know it all know nothings who should sod off and support Spurs or Liverpool who spend way more than we do – so they must be more successful right? — no wrong!!!!!!!!!!

    Supporters like yourself and Ant are my sort of supporters who love their Arsenal and are intelligent enough to see through the veneer of BS.

  31. fatgingergooner says:

    This Watmore kid at Sunderland looks really promising.

  32. wally says:

    People are trying to have it both ways. You can’t say we can’t compete with Manure or the oilers or chavs or whomever because we don’t have the coin. That’s an acknowledgement that we need to buy. And in the next breath get upset at people who want wenger to buy address issues with the team that we all know exist.

    Wenger is right. Buying doesn’t guarantee a championship. And wenger is wrong to believe that he has internal solutions. How’s that been working for us? He sure as hell hasn’t developed any of those solutions he keeps talking about.

    That comment about walcott, sanogo and akpom as solutions is absolutely delusional and he should be slated long and hard by everyone, EVERYONE, for such utter bullshit. And then his comment about 600 employees. Completely disconnected from reality. It’s comments like that get people riled up.

    But it’s ok. I got my share. 🙂

  33. GunnerN5 says:

    Campbell joins Sporting Lisbon on loan

    Joel Campbell willl join Portuguese Primeira Liga side Sporting Lisbon on a season-long loan.

    The 24-year-old scored four times in 30 first-team appearences last year, having joined the club in 2011 and enjoying previous loan spells at Lorient, Real Betis, Olympiacos and Villarreal.

    The forward will be hoping he can help the Portugese side win the Primeira after their second-placed finish last year and gain further Champions League experience.

    Everyone at Arsenal wishes Joel a successful season in Portugal.

    The move is subject to international clearance and formal ratification.

    Copyright 2016 The Arsenal Football Club plc. Permission to use quotations from this article is granted subject to appropriate credit being given to http://www.arsenal.com as the source

  34. fatgingergooner says:

    As much as I’d love to do my long, hard slating of our clubs manager right now, I think I’m going to watch the West Ham game instead. Got to say the stadium looks good.

    Interesting news on Campbell. The fans on Twitter will surely be delighted that we’ve kept the more expensive and higher paid Walcott. What’s that?…..They are fuming!?…Surely not. Do they not realise Walcott cost us more money?…..I thought this is what they wanted!?

  35. LB says:

    I bothered watching the whole of the Wenger interview and thought that in context the reference to the fact that the club have a responsibility to 600 employees was appropriate and made complete sense.

    I’m guessing that others didn’t bother.

  36. LB says:

    Nice one Slim

  37. Big Raddy says:

    Just in case I haven’t told you, I actively dislike Me-rhino.

  38. Eddie says:

    Wenger – spend some effing money!!!

  39. fatgingergooner says:

    LB,

    It made complete sense, but I think the issue is football and reality are in no way connected these days. Football has its own world where spending any money is vital, regardless of what it’s on. No need to save for a rainy day because there will always be another big fat tv cheque due in at the end of the week. If you’ve got it, spend it, and if you don’t have it, get an overdraft, then spend it. What’s that in Latin? We should put it on the crest.

  40. Eddie says:

    correct, I did not watch the whole of the Wenger interview and still believe that any mention in any context of paying 600 staff is pathetic. None of his business, I am sure the AFC have state of the art accounting system to take care of paying the wages.

    Why doesn’t he concentrate on the team?

    Look guys, I know that most of you disagree with me and perhaps you are right. Who knows, maybe I am right after all?

    We need reinforcements, ie at least another defender and a prolific striker. Without those two we cannot compete. We won’t be serious title contenders. We will be lucky again if we finish in top 4. We are already behind.

    I’d love my team to win the league from time to time. That’s all. And I identified the reason why we are not winning the league from time to time. that reason in my opinion is Wenger. And I believe his reasons for not strengthening the team are sheer arrogance, self believe in his super natural powers and stubbornness. Cannot see any other reason why he would not bring much needed players to the Ems.

  41. GunnerN5 says:

    They look more like sheep to me Eddie 🙂 🙂

  42. fatgingergooner says:

    Eddie,

    Can’t say I disagree with much of that apart from maybe the super powers part! 😂 Has anyone thought that Wenger might just really enjoy the part of his job that lets him develop players and make them better. Maybe he doesn’t just want to go and buy ready made superstars because he gets little satisfaction out of it. He obviously understands that he needs some players of that nature, but for the most part he tends to go for players who can still develop and improve their game. Maybe there is some ignorance and stubbornness within that viewpoint, if that is the case, but i wouldn’t blame him for wanting to cling on to that enjoyment and not give in to the idea that the only way to compete is to buy buy buy.

    Just a thought.

  43. GunnerN5 says:

    Eddie I agree with this………
    “We need reinforcements, ie at least another defender and a prolific striker. Without those two we cannot compete. We won’t be serious title contenders. We will be lucky again if we finish in top 4. We are already behind”.

    But I disagree with this……
    “And I believe his reasons for not strengthening the team are sheer arrogance, self believe in his super natural powers and stubbornness. Cannot see any other reason why he would not bring much needed players to the Ems”.

    Tell me would you be happy, in later years to tell your grandchildren………….
    “Arsenal were once a great team but AW bowed to fan pressure and overspent on players and now in languish in mid- table”

    It’s so, so easy to dismiss him but whoever replaces him will have to manage by the same rules.

  44. chas says:

    This is the description and date of that video above….. hmmmmm.
    How things have changed!

    Uploaded on 22 May 2011

    Last game of the season, it is a message from the fans to Arsene Wenger. Problems have never been addressed for years. If 20-30 millions can solve the problem, you should spend. We didn’t ask you to spend 50 or 100 millions pound. We ask you to spend in what you should spend. Money is ours, not yours so don’t be that rigid and stubborn.

    3 wins in 15 games is a disgrace for a great club like Arsenal.

    With this kind of performance and without proper revenue, the club is still increasing the ticket price by 6.5%. What a joke!

  45. Eddie says:

    GN5 – but why would we end up mid-table? There is plenty of money, so that obstacle is gone. Another obstacle – no players available? Nonsense, other clubs manage to buy big.

    fattie – of course Wenger loves developing players thinking there will be more Thierry Henrys. But there won’t be, he was unique and we were very lucky to have him.

    nay, sorry guys, I was impressed by your positive/deluded attitudes for far too long. Time to be moany, disgruntled, dissatisfied fan has come.

  46. fatgingergooner says:

    Chas,

    In 5 years that 20-30 has now become the 50-100. How funny! I wonder how much it will be in 5 more years? Just shows how quickly the tv money has influenced the transfer market.

  47. fatgingergooner says:

    Good luck with that Eddie! 😄

    I think I’ll stick to enjoying the games and see what our season brings. Fingers crossed its a good one.

    Oh, and by the way, the next Henry will join us at some point, as will the next Wenger. I just hope I’m lucky enough to be around when they appear.

  48. GunnerN5 says:

    Eddie,

    With all due respect, I prefer to believe AW as he is the person that has taken our team to heights that I would never have foreseen and he is the man that spends 24/7 looking at ways to improve the team.

    Q) Why on earth would he not spend on the RIGHT player at the RIGHT price?

    A) Those players have not been available – there can be no other logical conclusion.

    Why spend on the wrong players simply to appease some disaffected supporters?

  49. chas says:

  50. LB says:

    The actual number he uses of 55 million is clever as well.

    I’m sure I don’t have to explain why.

  51. LB says:

    “Another obstacle – no players available? Nonsense, other clubs manage to buy big.”

    Eddie

    Polite question: could you give me the names of the players that we could have and should have got but have signed to other clubs in this window. If you could explain it might help people like me understand where Arsene Wenger and the club is going wrong because as you can see I am clearly struggling?

  52. Big Raddy says:

    Brilliant response from AW.

  53. Big Raddy says:

    LB. IMO Mane would have been terrific signing, instead he went to L’pool.

    Otherwise, I agree

  54. Cheers for the post Sir.

    Those away fans are a bunch of deluded fools who believe the Double Entry Accounting System is a porn film involving two calculators. For those whose idea of a balance sheet is toilet paper when your suffering from vertigo, they really enjoy banging on about finances?

    By going away they believe there immune from criticism but by the look of them, with the exception of chas and Ant who I would happily introduce to my mother, I would enjoy framing them for a crime.

    So they fork out a bit and have to travel. So fucking what? I use to go away in the eighties but never demanded a bleeding medal for it, and I was so hated that I was the only bloke who would get a kicking from both sets of supporters.

    I would respect them more if they left the finance chants out of it and sang a few songs about stuff they actually know about. Like, “My Fiestas clutch has gone” or, “My wife left me for a salsa dancer”.

    The Ghosts of the Thirties are Stirring.

  55. Big Raddy says:

    “Those away fans are a bunch of deluded fools who believe the Double Entry Accounting System is a porn film”.

    Magic.

  56. LB says:

    Pure genius

  57. Eddie says:

    LB – Sturridge, Milik, Icardi, Hernandez, Morata, Lacazztte, Higuaín, Lukaku – none of them good enough for us, really?

    brilliant response from Wenger, oh dear. Was it after the Liverpool game? I hate saying ‘I told you 2 and 1/2 months ago….’ , but I will make sure I will remind you Wenger’s “brilliant response” when Holding is peeing his pants faced with proper opponents.

  58. GunnerN5 says:

    Now hold on Eddie, so Mahrez and Vardy are nor proper opponents? You are really stretching out of reach with that one.

  59. Eddie says:

    GN5 – sure they are, as good as Ibra and Pogba for example.

  60. Eddie says:

    I’m off to read a book. I don’t want to resign and I don’t want anyone else to resign over this one, but the unpalatable truth is that we have not one the league in 13 years and we will not win it this season. In 25 years United won it 13 times, Chavs 4 and us only 3.

    sorrrry, but that is not good enough from the greatest team the world has ever seen. good night.

  61. Rasp says:

    To add a bit of balance to the discussion I should point out that AW is probably the only manager in the EPL who would have mentioned the number of employees or who would concern themselves with the minutiae of the finances – in general that is the concern of the chief exec. Most managers just focus on the team, coaching and on-field performance and leave the other stuff to the people paid to worry about those matters.

    Didn’t Aguero (or A. N. Other city player) think he was signing for United. Wages is the single most influential factor in a player’s decision to move. We can’t compete with the biggest spenders but we could afford a £65m striker if we wanted.

    I imagine Utd will recoup a large percentage of Ibra’s wages in shirt sales alone.

  62. wally says:

    Arsenal are short of funds, can’t afford these players. What a laugh. Here’s wenger trying to tell us that at $20mm he’s good enough to help us, at $21mm he’s not. Maybe one of our mathematical supporters of wenger can explain how that calculation works. That should be good for a whole bunch of larfs.
    And having the situation framed as financial penury or financial stability. That’s called a false choice dilemma and is logically false form of argumentation.
    Wenger’s worried about the other employees? What a pant load. That’s not his responsibility is it. And people think that’s a good response? They’ve drunk the koolaid haven’t they.

    Why doesn’t he want to buy? Easy. He’s afraid of making a mistake. His record isn’t even 50/50 in the transfer market over the last 10 years. Should we run thru the names of the poor buys wenger has made? It’s a long list.
    The fact remains the team, over the last 6-7 years, has always been a player or two short. That rather than do something about it he’ll tell us crap about sanogo or almunia, or denilson (wouldn’t buy alonso for $2mm more because he didn’t want to kill denilson. That has to be the all-time winner of crap excuses. Denilson couldn’t even carry alonso’s jockstrap. Back playing 3rd division in brazil.) or whomever.
    And people can’t understand why more and more fans are fed up with his bullshit excuses/explanations? C’mon man!
    The fact that he is ‘trying hard’ is irrelevant. So is every other manager in the league. The fact of the matter is that our ‘trying hard’ manager has left the team consistently short. Whose responsibility is that?

  63. LB says:

    And you are certain that it would have only taken another 2 million to sign Alonso, certain?

  64. LB says:

    So what if Wenger is the only manger who would mention the total number of staff. In view of the question that was put to him it was an appropriate response.

  65. GunnerN5 says:

    As a silly example – Would his critics be happy to go to a game and find the housekeeping was sub standard because they had to lay off staff due to the management overspending on players?

  66. GunnerN5 says:

    Eddie, Nobody will resign due to amicable dialogue over differing opinions. Unfortunately it’s a discussion that will have no end until he resigns or we win the PL .

  67. Rasp says:

    Hi LB, surely even you would concede that AW involves himself in many more aspects of the ‘business’ than most managers. Personally I’d prefer he focused his attention on the team.

  68. TotalArsenal says:

    Have you ever met a football fan who does not say their team is two players short of being a good team. Wait till Manure get beaten and they’ll say ah we need to buy a new CB and proper DM and then we are a great team. The simple rule is: if you are not winning you are two players short. The idea that the gaps can be filled by developing and coaching players from within is foreign to most supporters. Yet it is often the best solution.

  69. wally says:

    LB,
    Yes, why else would offer the excuse of not wanting to kill denilson.

  70. wally says:

    GN5
    @ 9;21. You are dead on with that.

    @ 9:15. Another false choice

  71. LB says:

    Rasp

    You are cleverly trying to move the goal posts. His response was appropriate to the question. I bothered watching he whole interview before commenting.

  72. wally says:

    TA,
    That may indeed be the solution. In which case we need to get a manager who can develop the talent from within. The current one hasn’t developed anyone in recent years. Walcott? Gibbs? Chambers? Chamberlain? Sanogo? Szczney? Wilshire? …..

  73. LB says:

    Yep, that’s clear proof wally, I stand corrected.

  74. wally says:

    LB,
    The question had nothing to do with employees. The question was whether it matter English sides have to pay up. His answer sets up the false choice i’ve had to mention twice already.

  75. TotalArsenal says:

    Wally, Fabregas, Van Persie, Gibbs, Ramsey, Bellerin, Coquelin, Song and there are more. That is pretty good compared to other PL top clubs and indeed managers. Iwobi is the next one to break through and more is in the pipeline.

  76. Rasp says:

    LB, you were responding to my point therefore it is you who are cleverly shifting the goalposts. My point was, and still is, that AW sees his role as far more than team coach, he concerns himself with areas which in most clubs would be the responsibility of others – or are you disagreeing with that view?

  77. fatgingergooner says:

    Bellerin (Wenger was slated for playing him against Dortmund)? Koscielny (people complained when we bought him)? Monreal (went through a season where fans thought he wasn’t good enough)? Coquelin (why have we got him in the squad and not bought a proper DM)? Özil (waste of money and not what we need)? Elneny (must be shit for £5m)?

    It seems the expert fans make just as many mistakes as the idiot manager.

  78. wally says:

    Gibbs? Really? He can’t even get in the game these days. Fabregas was over 10 years ago. That wouldn’t count as recent would it. Van Persie? I’ll give you that one. Coquelin? He only got on the field because of injuries. Wenger was trying to get rid of him at the time. Coquelin fell from the sky for wenger. Bellerin, He got on the field because debuchy got injured. Another guy who fell from the sky. Ozil? that’s a laugh. He was the finished product before he got here. Elneny? You’re having a laugh aren’t you. he hasn’t even been here six months.
    Other winners? Squillaci, Chamakh, Park, Gervinho, Santos. These guys are all in the last six years. Guys he picked to be on the team. And yet we were still not quite there, again.

  79. TotalArsenal says:

    How many players did Mourinho develop from nothing to stardom, and how many Ferguson prodigies are wearing the ugly golden cross on a red shirt today?

  80. TotalArsenal says:

    The players you mentioned were bought to plug a hole when budgets were tight. You don’t get them all right, nobody does.

  81. fatgingergooner says:

    So when a player comes through our youth system that’s got nothing to do with the manager and they just ‘fall from the sky’!?

    On that note, I’m out!

  82. GunnerN5 says:

    Time for our evening meal – I’m off too.

  83. VP of Oz says:

    We need more fans and (being critical) less critics.

    A fan, or fanatic, sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person who is enthusiastically devoted to a sports team,

    Critic – a person who expresses an unfavourable opinion of something.

    I love my Arsenal and am often one-eyed in my support. My instincts first and foremost is that if you boo my Arsenal or spray vitriol at them, then by your very actions, you do not support Arsenal and are not a fan. Nothing wrong with constructive and healthy amicable debate within context etc. But booing and vitriol means quite simply that you are against the Arsenal.

    Even the media is now saying how much they, the media, is influencing the fans view of the Arsenal. And the media are not fans, they are critics and the more they see discontent amongst us, the more they will stir the pot until they get their reward. Their reward is their big story. The big story is seeing Arsenal failure (failure in coach, failure in winning games, failure in making the CL etc etc.) so that they can show that their criticisms are right. But I don’t really care, because I will go on supporting regardless and my arrogance in that Arsenal is the best even when we lose will sustain me.

    As for the 2 players short debate, we’re all 2 sheep short in the top paddock. Onwards and upwards.

  84. Eddie says:

    LB and GN5 – what are you saying?
    1 that we don’t need more players
    2 the Club couldn’t get any more players
    3 Wenger is still the right man for the job

    Because I think that we need more players, the Club failed to get players we need and Wenger is responsible for that.

    As I said before, he is holding us back, we will not progress under him and he should have bloody decency to go.

    He did terrific job years ago and was paid handsomely for that, Now he survives on the past glory and is still being paid handsomely for what he did in the past. That is wrong, very wrong.

  85. TotalArsenal says:

    Two FA cups in last three years and second in PL last year, Evonne. That is recent glory. With or without Wenger we may not win the title for the next twenty years as the football arena has changed and will keep changing. What we can ask and hope for is to be able to compete and that we will do year after year.

  86. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Some heated debate last night. – always an enjoyable read unless it descends into abuse.

    As to Alonso ….

    We didn’t get him because Villa wouldn’t sell Barry to L’pool which had the knock-on effect of them not selling Alonso.

  87. TotalArsenal says:

    But maybe I am more than two sheep short in the top paddock – love the expression VPoO 😀

  88. Big Raddy says:

    Eddie is right that a club of AFC’s stature should have won the title over the past decade, however we have been very close and but for an Eduardo injury and the inability of Gallas we would have.

    She is also right that we need players.

    Where she is wrong is in the assumption that AW does not agree with her.

  89. Eddie says:

    Raddy 🙂

    if AW agreed with me he would have bought players by now. There are still 10 days left so I might be pleasantly surprised, who knows.

    TA – you are half the flock short in the top paddock 🙂

  90. TotalArsenal says:

    Not if you build a big whopper of a stadium from your own pockets, Raddy. We still managed to come close but indeed just missed that bid of luck to win the league in that period.

  91. TotalArsenal says:

    Eddie, you know me well! 😍

  92. Big Raddy says:

    TA. It will be interesting to see how Spurs manage when they leave WHL

  93. Eddie says:

    no TA, no bit of luck, but 2-3 good players!!!

    All I want is to go to the new season full of hope, expectations, excitement that maybe, just maybe this season is our season. Well, on paper AND on the pitch we have no chance. That is why I feel resentful, I was robbed of one of the greatest joys in my life

  94. Big Raddy says:

    Could it be that the loaning of Campbell heralds the arrival of a RW?

    Or it it making space for Gnabry?

  95. fatgingergooner says:

    Gnabry off on loan too, so maybe my prediction of a winger and CB might come true. Either that or Wenger will say we have JRA coming through and Welbeck back in January (that bits just for you Eddie!) 😂

  96. fatgingergooner says:

    Eddie,

    You can’t blame Wenger for your own pessimism! 😄 No reason we can’t win something this year, espescially when we get a couple of players in next 10 days. Enjoy the season and cheer on the boys. Who knows what the next 50 games will bring.

  97. LB says:

    Unless I am told otherwise I am going to put a new post up in about 10 minutes.

  98. LB says:

    New post

  99. mickydidit89 says:

    The best 24 hours in recent AA blogland

    Thank you Eddie.

    Consistency is for dullards 😀😀

  100. Gööner In Exile says:

    Just because AW knows what is going on with the “company’s” finances or why he hasn’t got a £200m fund to piss up the wall, does that mean he is too involved.

    Most other PL managers won’t know or won’t care because they are in a job where their only concern is personal reputation and getting the next one.

    Still AW is taking the flak for the board, other managers just complain that they haven’t been given the budget to strengthen. AW has been given a budget and he wants to spend it carefully. Like any good manager in any good business. Should he just throw his toys out of the pram and resign?

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