The Childlike Delusions of the Arsène Haters

There is a strong current of opinion among some Arsenal supporters that our seven year winless streak is a disgrace.

The argument goes like this: “Arsenal are a big club. Big clubs win things. We haven’t won anything for seven years. Therefore… our manager isn’t good enough; our Board of Directors lack ambition; they’re only interested in money. Let’s change everything.”

The flaws in the reasoning are obvious and you really don’t need me to reiterate them.

But what is not often mentioned is that this type of thinking is recognisable to psychologists and is described as “Childlike Behaviour in Adults”.

The symptoms of childlike behaviour in adults are reflective of emotional immaturity and can be grouped under five headings:

  • Egocentrism
  • Uncontrolled Emotion
  • Gratification
  • Attitude
  • Magical Thinking

If you go on some of the more negative Arsenal blogs you will find these symptoms displayed in abundance by both the authors and the commenters. The most important symptom, in the context of Arsenal’s recent history, is gratification, but the others play their part too.

Egocentricism:

Emotionally immature individuals are self centred and selfish. They have little regard for others and are preoccupied with their own ideas and feelings. They deeply believe that they are somehow special therefore demand constant attention, respect and sympathy.

Well, that certainly describes some Arsenal blog authors. People who are so preoccupied with their own “ideas and feelings” that they are unable to take on board the views and feelings of others. And they acquire an unfounded estimation of their own importance (believing they are “somehow special”). There is no doubt that some Arsenal sites, because they have attracted a modest following of like-minded delusionals, believe they speak for the greater Arsenal community. Further, they believe they are fighting a good fight (against the Triple Threat of Wenger, Kroenke and Gazidis) on behalf of that larger Arsenal community. Let me tell you chaps: you don’t speak for the rest of us and the fight you have embarked on is no more than Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

Uncontrolled Emotion:

Immaturity expresses itself in temper tantrums, prolonged pouts and rapidly changing moods. Emotionally immature individuals get frustrated easily and over-react to perceived criticism. They are unwilling to forgive and are prone to jealousy pangs.”

Ring any bells? Over-reacting to perceived criticism? Like banning perfectly reasonable and well-mannered contributors who post comments at odds with the prevailing orthodoxy? As for the temper tantrums and pouts… well, you can visit any Arsenal blog after a bad result and see evidence of them in their droves.

Gratification:

Children and childish adults often want everything now, and avoid enduring any thing they do not like. Their behaviour is superficial, thoughtless and impulsive.”

This hits straight at the heart of the “no trophies for seven years” issue. People who take that fact as a personal affront (and conveniently ignore the compelling reasons why Arsenal have been unable to win silverware in that period) are behaving like children: “I want twophies now and if I don’t get them I’ll scweam and scweam and scweam.” No matter how many times old stagers pop up to describe periods in our history when we went way more than seven years as Potless Percies, the childlike adults among our fan base just scream louder that they want it, and they want it NOW. If you have had children and remember the toddler phase, you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about. The idea of “deferred gratification” (seeing the big picture and accepting short term pain for long term gain) is anathema to the childlike adult.

Attitude:

Immature individuals have a hard time with integrity. They avoid and deny money and relationship problems which demand integrity and seek to pass the blame. They avoid reality and attack people when frustrated.”

Attacking people when frustrated – like making up silly names and acronyms for those who have a different viewpoint to your own. Lacking integrity – like never feeling ashamed or embarrassed when your dire predictions and made-up stories turn out to be nonsense.  There are Arsenal commentators and bloggers out there who (apparently) joyfully predicted that we would be in a relegation fight in the season that’s just finished. You won’t see them referring to that now. Instead, as childlike adults, they have simply shifted the goal posts and now predict doom and gloom for next season instead.

Magical Thinking:

The interpreting of two closely occurring events as though one caused the other, without any concern for the causal link. For example, if you believe that crossing your fingers brought you good fortune, you have associated the act of finger-crossing with the subsequent welcome event and imputed a causal link between the two. Magical thinking invests special powers and forces in many things that are seen as symbols.

Among the staunchest opponents of Arsene Wenger, magical thinking, indeed, takes the form of “interpreting two closely occurring events as though one caused the other.” For example, believing that because Arsene looks to achieve the best value when buying players, he must be on a “bonus” to spend less on transfers. There is, of course, not one shred of evidence for this ridiculous notion, but it has not stopped certain authors from repeating it endlessly as fact. Another example of spurious causal connection is the fact that we didn’t sign Xabi Alonso from Liverpool. The childlike adults, with their simple but deeply held world view of all things Arsenal, can only conceive of the idea that Alonso did not come because we were too cheap to pay the asking price. They, and we, have no evidence that that was truly the case.

Magical thinking invests special powers and forces in many things that are seen as symbols,” which, in the case of Arsenal, takes the form of an irrational belief that some flavour-of-the-month player from some other team is the answer to all our problems. Be it Cahill, Samba, Hazard, Mata, M’Vila (even, ludicrously, Joe Cole once upon a time). It doesn’t occur to the childlike adults who champion these causes that it might be the slightest bit inappropriate for them – with their day-jobs as IT workers, local government officials, Post Office sorters, or Sainsburys shelf stackers – to think they know better than a man like Arsene Wenger about which players are needed for Arsenal.

One important caveat: of course I am not suggesting that all criticism of Arsene Wenger and the current running of the club is a manifestation of psychological delusionality.

If you think Arsène should be removed as manager and can present cogent reasons for your opinion – fine, let’s have a debate. We may not change each other’s minds but we can at least respect each other and, through going back and forth, offer each other new perspectives on the issues.

Furthermore we can do so without playground abuse.

If you believe Ivan Gazidis is nothing more than a spin merchant who has overseen repeated failure in our transfer dealings – again, let’s go at it.

It’s not the argument itself that matters, but the way in which it is conducted. This is what separates the emotionally mature adult from the childlike adult and the emotionally mature Arsenal blog site from the childlike sites, of which, sadly, there are several.

That doesn’t mean that the emotionally mature adult is immune from occasional lapses of temper or good manners.

Many regular blog contributors go over the top at times (whether through frustration, a perception that they are being personally attacked or, as in my case, too much Scotch whisky) but if you examine the totality of their contributions you can soon judge their prevailing psychological state.

So what am I saying?

That some Arsenal blog sites and some of the people who contribute to them are psychologically not fully developed? They are, in effect, a bit mad?

Absolutely.

And thank goodness for the organisers of this site for keeping its standards high and emotionally mature and allowing wafflers like me to have our thoughts aired in an environment that (most of the time) is 100% sane.

RockyLives

311 Responses to The Childlike Delusions of the Arsène Haters

  1. oz gunner says:

    wow brilliant Rocky, very cleverly done and researched. AA is definitely as safe haven for us fans. Cheers

    “Magical thinking invests special powers and forces in many things that are seen as symbols,”

    couldn’t agree more!

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  3. LB says:

    Jaw droppingly brilliant.

    Damn, I wish I could write that well.

    I agree with every word although I suspect if I attempted to express the same thoughts I would have had to use a few words that would not have best pleased Peaches’ mother.

  4. Fabulous post as usual Rocky
    but where did you pull this one from, unique subject and brilliantly put to the table.
    I am a positive fan, i guess i’d be a accused of being an AKB but i do frequent the “hater” sites for the “others” point of view, i don’t mind that, but i stay off the comments board there are definately some “mad” people in there.

  5. oz gunner says:

    Ok Micky here we go…Your Oscar is yesterdays’s news!

    I give to you:

    Julian Draxler

    age: 18
    position: AM
    Country: Germany
    Club: FC Schalke 04
    Height: 6’2

    Was called up into the provisional squad for the UEFA Euro 2012 senior side for Germany. On the 26th May 2012, Draxler made his debut for the senior side, playing in Germany’s 5-3 loss to Switzerland, coming on as a substitute, replacing Lukas Podolski in the 62nd minute. He saw an effort straying just off the target through a deflection, denying him an international debut goal.

    He was linked with us through January as a replacement for Arshavin. I think we should snap him up because he looks like a future star for Germany

  6. GoonerDave says:

    Excellent article.
    I have come to realise that many posters on certain blogs are Spurs fans disguised as Gunners. Its the same 15 or 20 posters, constantly seeking new ways to discredit the management, even at the cost of contradicting themselves.
    Their “banning” of people with opposing views is childish, but also proves how wrong they are – they are completely unable to respond to a valid point without pathetic name-calling, followed by a ban.
    The sooner these blogs are exposed the better.
    Im all for opposing views, but when you are not allowed to make a point, there are no opposing views. Its a dictatorship – and the same bloggers would tell you that AW is a dictator…

  7. oz gunner says:

    “I want twophies now and if I don’t get them I’ll scweam and scweam and scweam.”

    hahaha

  8. Scott says:

    Great post.

  9. Gus says:

    This is brilliant.

  10. LOL OZ gunner
    if that was a tweet i’d have retweeted….. 🙂

  11. dc4 says:

    Excellent work. Faith belief and patience is needed when following any club. Winning trophies is never a given and you need a bit of luck and we have everything in place to compete on all fronts. Add a couple more established players and we will look stronger and have a better strength in depth than we have had for along time. Arsene wants The Arsenal to do better than a lot of these so called ‘fans’ which I think people forget.

  12. Gus says:

    Original thought, hard to come across these days.

  13. N1 gooner says:

    Best blog ever written.Well done.

  14. timao says:

    um, did i miss something, what’s the downside of ‘childlike behaviour in adults’?

  15. dharmasteve says:

    This is the singular most odd blog have seen in my history of reading blogs. It suggests that different opinions about Arsene Wenger have no validity. In fair reality there are many critiques that can be raised both for and against Wenger. They are all valid. Your article reads as if the people do not have a right to critique, which is the basic definition of fascism. By the way I am not a so called Wenger hater, but I reserve the right to have a critique if I want to. Very disturbed article.

    The statement “The symptoms of childlike behaviour in adults are reflective of emotional immaturity and can be grouped under five headings:
    o Egocentrism
    o Uncontrolled Emotion
    o Gratification
    o Attitude
    o Magical Thinking”

    To link these qualities with ‘Arsene Haters’ shows you are linking really serious personality defects with those who have a critique of Wenger. If it was a tongue in cheek humorous article I would smile, instead I’m cringing.

  16. GunnerPete says:

    I applaud your clarity my boy. I have a constant row with family and friends about our GOD Arsene. Your sarky but clever insight into the immature minds that lace the sites we see every day is just what is needed.

    My own 70 year old opinion of the reasons for the lack of trophies for 7 years is that our lack of funds was due to a downturn in the property market at just the wrong time. The massive project ‘The Emirates’ (I still hate that name) would have provided faster liquidity if the property market had not fallen so sharply just when AFC had so many to sell. Instead we had to rely on sales of major stars (all made valuable by AW) to keep the money flow at the new high level required. Arsene was central to AFC survival without massive debts. I believe that he agreed to try to build a squad to last 5/10 years on a shoestring of kids. He knew he had a couple of real class acts already but also knew he could not buy others without selling. No other manager in the UK could / would have achieved this.

    Now, most of the new investment created by the stadium move have paid us profits. Not as large as it could have been but we are there with really low debts. Soon the coprporates will be clambering to pay us for much better sponsership deals as will the TV.

    My only criticisim of AW is that he gave certain favourites far too long at the club. And he could have listened to the ‘real’ fans who were shouting warnings about his lack of defensive quality soon after the loss of the fab 6. With a mainly British defence built on guts and determination, we would have netted a couple of trophies in that bad period. We still have an average defence and we need a world class addition. But, the squad with Jack back will look pretty dam good next year…add Podolski & 2 others like Mvilla and we are in business.

    Thanks again for your stout defence of our God and hopefully we are both proved correct in our judgement.

  17. timao says:

    Daxler looks like a superb player, I would not be sorry if we signed him!

  18. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Rocky, WOW, brilliant post. I knew you were a bit of a clever dick, but your analysis of the Spleeners is extradoniary. Ime afraid i will have to send this article to a psychotherapist friend of mine who ime sure will be as blown away as me. i will also send it to my cousin Pete who is not only mad but also a very high standard spleener. He wont be impressed. In fact knowing him he will suspect that you are seceretly an Arsenal employee and good friends of Gazidis. The poor sod already thinks ime getting backhanders from Hill Wood. hahahaha.

  19. crane says:

    Great post.
    And on the issue of magical thinking, am i the only one who wonders where anyone heard the magical belief that “RVP is refusing to sign until the club buy world class players and it’s not all about the money “. Where on earth does it come from? He’s never said it nor his agent nor the club and the two parties are locked down in silence but see where that magical thinking gets us.
    Sorry for RVP for exiting the euros early but the sooner he stays/leaves the club the better as we won’t need last season’s last minute shopping.

  20. steve says:

    I Think your article in general is great aw is in my mind the most forward thinking boss the game has, I do think that THE BOARD
    are pound note men and I think that has hampered aw if they where as bright as him we would win trophies every year

  21. Morning all, yet another well crafted and entertaining post from The Rock there and muchos gracias for that.

    However if I could be devils advocate can I question the benefit to the Arsenal community of requiring every fan to be asked which side of the “Arsene hater or Arsene non-hater” divide they stand ?

    I think it better to assess what the club as a whole does well and not so well since it is not one individual who controls everything about the club and perhpas it is better not ot focus on personaltiies/individuals(however high profile) so much.

    Perhaps I’ll get a bit of stick, to use current footballing parlance, for this but I feel a little uncomfortable about dividing Arsenal support.

    I’ll get my coat. 😦

  22. GoonerDave says:

    dharmasteve-
    The point is, when we approach blogs with an anti-Arsene agenda, we do not get the opportunity to have a reasonable discussion, or to have our point heard.
    We are insulted and banned. Hardly mature conversation, is it?
    I have no doubt that a lively and respectful debate would be both educational and enlightening to both sides, but there are a number of blogs which simply do not allow this to happen.
    And that is extremely childish.

  23. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Not at all chary. You are spot on, its human behaviour so there are shades of grey everywere. As Rocky said in his post we all vent spleen on occasion, its human nature. Ime sure Rocky will correct me if ime wrong but i think the jist of the post is more aimed at the professional spleeners who take some perverted satisfaction from expressing over the top and at times offensive views.

  24. oz gunner says:

    Bugger…my newly adopted rational approach tells me that while this is a brilliant article i should keep my emotions in check, because after all it’s what Rocky does! So I take back my ‘wow’ and replace it with ‘well played sir, a respectable post from the always solid Rocky’

  25. Thanks for not taking me to task on that Mr Syrup, I was merely suggesting that the post/post tile could be seen as drawing up the battle lines for a civil war amongst Arsenal suporters.

    I’m just an old, peace loving hippy and am loathe to criticise fellow gooners, of course all thoughts of peace go out of the window when I think of Funguscum/Stoke and both sets of Oily Chavs. .

  26. evonne says:

    Gospel!! Should be added as an extra chapter to the New Testament. Thanks Rocky xx

  27. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    GoonerDave, on one site i went on i was absoloutly battered by those with opposing views. At first it was a few jabs to the ribs, like your deluded or a Board apologist. Then the left hooks came in, like i was thick and needed medical help. By the end of it i was victim of a full mob assault, my parantege and the size of my member were all called into question. Some bloke tried to help me out, but he was accused of been a homosexual so backed down. I was finaly floored when a couple of them started threatining to track me down and give me a real kicking as opposed to a cyber one.

    I must say, i found the whole thing very funny. hahahaha

  28. TotalArsenal says:

    Simply phenomenal, Rocky! What a great post and I totally agree with every word! 🙂

    Dharmasteve,

    Rocky wrote: ‘It’s not the argument itself that matters, but the way in which it is conducted. This is what separates the emotionally mature adult from the childlike adult and the emotionally mature Arsenal blog site from the childlike sites, of which, sadly, there are several.’

    He has no problem with criticism of Wenger and he does not call those who do so automatically emotionally immature. He is, however, making a very strong argument that a lot of the criticism aimed at Wenger can be categorised into one or more of the five headings of emotional immaturity.

    Would you not agree with me on that?

  29. dharmasteve says:

    Gooner Dave,
    Extremism is not healthy whether from this site or so called ‘Arsene Hater’ sites. It is not good to critisise the people themselves. That’s how racism and religious bigotry start. This ‘non humorous’ attempt to belittle, those with questions about Arsene, by devaluing the views of these so called ‘haters’ is most definitely not debate. I may have a right to critisise the board for thir capabilities, but what right do I have to devalue you for having a different opinion. This crosses the line. Debate is wonderful and aids the world. To cast slurs on people with different opinions is as unhealthy as can be.

  30. TotalArsenal says:

    * Would you not agree with HIM on that?

  31. Rasp says:

    Hi dhamasteve,

    Rocky’s tongue is always slightly in his cheek, but his message is clear and meant.

    You may think his article is unfair in its condemnation of some supporters, but it doesn’t even go 1% towards redressing the balance of all the bile that is aimed at Arsene Wenger on a daily basis thorugh blogsites, not to mention the abuse bloggers can receive if they show unconditional support for the manager.

    The only censorship we impose is on foul language and abuse. Your comments, and the comments of bloggers who may be opposed to an article will always be aired freely on this site, so I think we have the right to examine the reasons why we have all found ourselves here and the motivation behind that choice.

  32. Scott says:

    The simple fact is that Wenger bashers bash him no matter what,and never,ever pay credit when it’s due.
    When he signed Podolski,it was obviously to replace RVP.
    Not a well done,we’ve been asking for a top quality striker and an early signing…no,no,no.
    They’ve got blinkers on and can see no good in the man.
    The Wenger supporters are,in general,more realistic and most acknowledge the guy makes mistakes.
    Anytime an argument begins,it’s ALWAYS,YES ALWAYS the Wenger basher who starts the personal attacks on the Wenger supporter.
    I frequent a few forums/blogs.
    I’ve never seen nor heard of a Wenger hater being banned for knocking Wenger.
    I have,however,seen and heard of plenty of supporters being banned for simply defending him…..I’ve copped it.
    So,Dharmasteve,if I think your post is way off the mark,at least I can so without fear of condemnation.
    Get on Le Grove and see how you go if you support Wenger….from experience,posting rights last app. Two or three hours….

  33. dharmasteve says:

    Hi Rasp

    It’s positive to have a debate about the subject for example ‘is Arsene Wenger a good manager, bad manager, mostly good, mostly bad, etc, etc, etc? It is never good to slander and devalue, those with different opinions, as people. To do it as revenge, as you imply, is not healthy. You can’t claim to be right if you act the same as your opponent. Anyway good luck and may we win the league by playing beautiful football. We are on the edge of some good times.

  34. Rasp says:

    Hi dharmasteve, I didn’t claim it was ‘revenge’. I don’t know how long you’ve been reading the site, but we have not, and will never publish sensational headlines just to get hits.

    We pay to run the site and make no profit from its success – it’s a labour of love for like-minded Arsenal supporters. What we sometimes do is publish provocative articles to stimulate healthy debate and that is what Rocky has achieved today. We have already published numerous articles examining Arsène’s role as manager along the lines you suggest – and they have not all been in his support.

  35. Red Arse says:

    Dharmasteve,

    I cannot get my head around what you are saying.

    The highly respected author of this Post clearly said;

    —- “If you think Arsène should be removed as manager and can present cogent reasons for your opinion – fine, let’s have a debate. We may not change each other’s minds but we can at least respect each other and, through going back and forth, offer each other new perspectives on the issues.

    Furthermore we can do so without playground abuse.”

    How on earth do you square that with your contentious comments;

    — “Extremism is not healthy whether from this site or so called ‘Arsene Hater’ sites. It is not good to critisise the people themselves.

    That’s how racism and religious bigotry start.This ‘non humorous’ attempt to belittle, those with questions about Arsene, by devaluing the views of these so called ‘haters’ is most definitely not debate.”

    — “It (the Post) suggests that different opinions about Arsene Wenger have no validity. In fair reality there are many critiques that can be raised both for and against Wenger. They are all valid. Your article reads as if the people do not have a right to critique, which is the basic definition of fascism. By the way I am not a so called Wenger hater, but I reserve the right to have a critique if I want to. Very disturbed article.”

    I have no objection with you putting forward your opinions, but I do object to you pillorying a decent man by implying fascism, racism, extremism, religious bigotry in a simple football Post.

    These are unacceptable accusations, and should not be lightly accepted by the site administrators.

    Have a look in the mirror — your comments appear to be exactly what you wrongly accuse the author of being. Are you some sort of political activist?

  36. dharmasteve says:

    Rasp

    I won’t make any more replies, but I do feel your response, of all, is defensive and that alerts my comfort zone. Best of luck to all of you, but perhaps you are not as open and as neutral as you make out. See you.

  37. fergalburger says:

    Dhamasteve. I would adopt a humorous line emphasising the Health and Safety manner you seem to be adopting to preserve the already asserted right to argue ‘healthily’, but I’m not sure you’d get it. The point has been emphatically presented, more than once I might add, that is the style and manner of the argument and not the substance or content that creates such a divide.

    The premise and rationale behind argument in the first place is predominantly to inform and sway people to thinking in the same way as you, or to oppose and clarify your own position and test the passion and belief you have for your own standpoint. Thusly, were it a weak opinion formulated on poor conjecture, you might find yourself overcome by the dichotomy of hubris vs perceived sense long absent from your thinking.

    If this were the case, I would firstly recommend you go back and re read the text before making a case for free speech against a text that calls for rationale that invites all opinions within the confines of free speech.

    I quote, “One important caveat: of course I am not suggesting that all criticism of Arsene Wenger and the current running of the club is a manifestation of psychological delusionality.

    If you think Arsène should be removed as manager and can present cogent reasons for your opinion – fine, let’s have a debate. We may not change each other’s minds but we can at least respect each other and, through going back and forth, offer each other new perspectives on the issues.

    Furthermore we can do so without playground abuse.”

    Otherwise, you either mistakenly or deliberately prompt pedants like myself to pull you up for for metaphorically unknowingly sitting in front of the lengths-only lane sign, telling customers of the swimming pool to swim in a clockwise order. Furthermore, you are having a go at people who are actually doing as you and the sign ask and yet you aren’t even employed by the service providers. Eventually you will be asked to leave for inflicting a converse delusion on the delusional service users under the impression that slowly wallowing, gerbil-like, in your own breath-limiting mire is in some way entertaining.

    Not that this site is breath-limiting mire.

    In short, no need to be so David Brent maaaan.

  38. herbsarmy says:

    A very interesting Post Rocky, and no doubt certain characters sprung to mind when presenting your psychological thesis.
    Hate is a very strong emotion, and I tend to agree with RA’s assessment on the Fabregas debate yesterday, that we don’t know them personally, therefore should conduct our opinions accordingly.
    Some people, and I include some on here, consider it within their right to spew poison and nastiness on anyone who dares to offer an opposing opinion, which is neither mature, nor engenders the spirit of healthy adult debate.
    Arsene Wenger makes mistakes and gets things wrong, as we all do, but he is the manager of Arsenal Football Club, and whilst he holds that position, should be fully supported by the Arsenal faithful, if he continues to take us in the right direction.
    We are either unique or naive, in that we are the only perceived ‘big’ club to gamble on FFP being fully implemented, so trust in our BoD’s model and patience to see where it takes us has been forced upon us, which has caused a lot of unrest among supporters, especially when in the not too distant past, we had no problem with spending and breaking existing transfer-records.

  39. Rasp says:

    Sorry dh, that rings of a rather cowardly retreat from someone who is used to winning verbal/written battles and is unable to accept that they may not always be right.

    I admit to being protective of our writers and would extend that to you if you wanted to offer an article for publication on AA. The contributors to the site are its lifeblood, please read ‘About AA’ at the top of the page if you are unclear as to how we define ourselves.

  40. dharmasteve says:

    Red Arse,

    No I am not a political activist I am a Buddhist practitioner. You can look at my site..www.bodhicitta.net.

    You say

    ‘These are unacceptable accusations, and should not be lightly accepted by the site administrators.’

    If you want to try to reverse what I have said and imply I have written unnaceptable things let me know. I will gladly leave it to the main publishers of these blogs to deal with this as an issue. See Rocky what lurks behind the woodwork.

  41. Rasp says:

    fergalburger, brilliant!

  42. iceman says:

    are we not allowed to say the hideous name of the website??

    i call them ‘le-wanks’ or ‘le-spuds’

  43. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rocky, 🙂

    I am sorry I have not commented on your Post first, but I am incensed that someone should throw around words like bigotry, racism etc to score some meaningless point.

    Racism, which is behaviour based on racial stereotypes; fascism, and bigotry are far too important as topics to be bandied around and it made my blood boil to see those terms used in an article that contained none of those things.

    I think the Post was cleverly constructed and was an attempt to explain the mind set of certain types of people whose lives seem complete only when they are criticising others, and intolerant of the views of others. Well done.

    The only point I would have added at the end, is that those you have described will not, under any circumstances, recognize themselves in your description.

    Such people are secure in their own self belief that they are open minded, and fair and balanced in the views they express, which just so happen to be crushingly negative. C’est la vie!

  44. TotalArsenal says:

    “And so, to sum it all up, I perceive everything I say as absolute truth, and deficient in nothing whatever, and paint it all in my mind exactly as I want it to be.” Don Quixote.

  45. Rasp says:

    😆 Total, I knew we could rely on you to offer a literary response.

    I quite like fergalburger’s summation too “In short, no need to be so David Brent maaaan.”

  46. Scott says:

    Guilty as charged Iceman……ignorance of the rules is my only defence!!

  47. Shard says:

    A very good post. I was recently scouring through some material on US politics and came across an opinion of how while there might be extremists on both the left and the right, only one side talks about shooting and killing those that don’t agree with them. Now that in itself is a generalisation that CAN be picked apart, but I think it is a valid point. As such I think it fair to classify the Arsene haters as being the childlike ones, rather than the Arsene backers. By definition, their mission of anti-Arsene is destructive (since they have to take down Arsene/board), rather than constructive. However, I’m sure they see it as enduring short term pain for long term gain. So I’m not sure they don’t understand that concept. They probably don’t apply it too well, but that’s not the same thing. I just think, regardless of whether people want Arsene gone, the MINIMUM he deserves is respect from ALL Arsenal fans for what he has done for this club.

    herbsarmy,
    I don’t think that reduced spending is to do with the FFP. With or without FFP, it is good sense to not spend above your means. Which is what we’ve been doing. The FFP, at least in that it’s being brought in, supports that stance. That does not mean that Arsenal actions were due to the FFP.

  48. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Rasp 🙂 Fergal’s and RA’s comments made me think of the DQ quote 🙂

    (Dharma)Steve has been on here before and for a Buddhist Practitioner he can be rather passively aggressive and extremely blinkered in his views.

  49. dharmasteve says:

    Time to leave now Rocky. What I see now is that your article is about this very site. The ‘haters’ seem to reside here. May our beloved football club, play the most beautiful, football and be successful.

  50. Red Arse says:

    Go in peace Dharma, and remember the Four Noble Truths;

    In Sutra of The Four Noble Truths, Buddha says:

    You should know sufferings.
    You should abandon origins.
    You should attain cessations.
    You should practice the path.

    These instructions are known as the ‘four noble truths’. They are called ‘noble truths’ because they are superior and non-deceptive instructions.

    Nowhere does it tell you to attempt to claim the false moral high ground in order to castigate your fellow man or use sly attacks to do so.

    I recommend you meditate further, and forsake loitering in the woodwork!

  51. Rasp says:

    Nice try dharmasteve, but everyone reading can see that we are not ‘haters’.

    Once again I fail to understand your agenda. You choose to critique the authors rather debate the topic – what’s the point? …. just to show you are more worthy?

  52. fergalburger says:

    Dharma are you banning us by denying us your presence? Come on man, we are all equal and have lots of ideas to share and engage each other. Don’t go all Arsenal Trooth on us (am I allowed to namecheck a sado-masochist rugby and hockey fan on here?).

  53. herbsarmy says:

    Shard,
    I didn’t imply that our reduced spending was due to FFP, it was mainly due to the stadium move, neither am I suggesting there is anything wrong with operating within our means, merely that some fans don’t really care that much for the mathematics of finance.
    We’re not cash-stricken, and never have been, though some signings might indicate that to have been the case.

  54. Scott says:

    Toughen the hell up Dharma!!
    Sorry I’m not as eloquent as some,but get over yourself princess!!!

  55. Shard says:

    herbsarmy,
    Thanks for that clarification. I agree. I just think we held on to our cash as a security in case we didn’t qualify for the CL. With the new deals coming in 2014, at the most we’ll have to budget for one more year out of the CL before that particular windfall. Hence, the board probably feels more comfortable spending now than in the past few years.

  56. Red Arse says:

    Hi Herb, 🙂

    Your opinions are always welcome on here, and altho’ they do occasionally cause some angst with those who disagree with you, I think you always fight your corner very well.

    You have historical knowledge and experience that many of us do not possess, and it is always gratifying to hear about them.

    As you have picked up in your comment, the whole point of Rocky’s Post was that any group of fans will have multifarious opinions on matters of importance which each will believe in passionately.

    The resulting discussions will frequently become heated, but as long as the participants observe the usual social norms of respect, civility and avoid hurtful or insulting comments, everyone can feel free to hold fast to their particular beliefs or may be persuaded to modify their views. 🙂

  57. herbsarmy says:

    No problem Shard.
    Good to ‘see’ you RA, hope everything is good with you, health-wise etc.

  58. Red Arse says:

    Thanks, Herb, 🙂

    I came out of the hospital early this morning after a 2 hour ‘session’, and feeling sorry for leaving other patients who were just beginning 6 hour sessions, and was then nearly knocked down on a zebra crossing, within the hospital grounds by some idiot driver.

    Given a choice, if I am to be knocked down I would prefer it to be ‘before’ rather than ‘after’ the treatment! 🙂

  59. I really want to contribute something to this debate but I’m too scared.
    One thing I thought was amusing though, on this psychological post, was the name of a contributor: CRANE.

    No offense intended, and regards to Lilith.

  60. Dr Frazer Crane says:

    Dont be scared Big Al, just relax back in the chair and tell me all about it.

  61. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    Ha ha Corky…thats brilliant – childlike behaviour in adults..lol.

    I’ve always noted the childlike simplicity undeerlying so much of what is written in Arsenal blog world. My personal fave has always been comments/posts like – ‘sell him, him and him for this much, then just pop out and buy this one, that one, and his brother’.

    My 2ndfave is the ‘why has he got such a long contract’, why isn’t he on a longer contract’ which has reared in earnest of late…used mostly in respect of Denilson, Nik B on the one hand and RVP and Walcott on the other. Arsene gets absolutely slaughtered if a decent player leaves on a free, but also slaughtered for tying others down by an IT worker or shelf stacker who thinks they know better.

    You really couldn’t make most of it up… but its like Corky says…they put the goal posts on wheels so that they can be easily moved as and when required.

    Nutters !!!

  62. Gooner In Exile says:

    The thing I hate most about a Monday morning offering from Rocky is it raises the bar just a little bit higher again.

    When dealing with fans that exhibit the pointed to tendencies I often find myself exasperated by the debate. And that is why this post is so clever as exasperation is a point I see many of my friends reach when dealing with their toddlers.

    And one I will be experiencing in the near future:

    We have had two miscarriages in the last one and a half years before we reached this stage, so I am feeling on top of the world this morning.

  63. dharmasteve says:

    fergalburger
    I am actually going to keep away from all the blogs. I have no time for the Arsene ‘hater’ sites and I realise your site is no different to those. I am sure there will be somequickfire answer to what I say, so be it, but if you look carefully, this is mainly a cronyism site. Pointless putting forwards any comment. If you are honest you will see that there are a couple of people here who seem to portray exactly what Rocky is writing about. You do sound like a laid back old hippie so I find some humour in your blogs, but some of these guys are not into debate and are mirroring the ‘hater’ sites.
    regards
    dharmasteve

  64. TotalArsenal says:

    That is fantastic news Gooner in Exile! All the best to both of you! 🙂

  65. Rasp says:

    Many congratulations GiE 😛

  66. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Thats great GiE, good luck to you and your wife.

    P.s, dont forget to buy he/she an Arsenal toddlers outfit as soon as possible. its important to indoctrinate early.

  67. Ric says:

    Man you people are so retarded it is bordering on the psychotic, why not make Wenger the leader of your third reich while your at it, you ignoramuses. Yes ! “lets “mock” psychoanalyze those that disagree with us so we feel better about or own delusions”. Brilliant idea man, worked wonders for goebbels.

    WENGER OUT OF OUR ARSENAL!

    ARSENAL ARSENAL IS FOR IDIOTS

  68. Rasp says:

    dharmasteve, unfortunately you continue to exhibit your own ego issues by having to have the last word (even though you keep saying you’re going?) and seeking to prove you are in some way more virtuous than others.

    This is an Arsenal blog primarily for the debate of Arsenal related topics …. not an I’m cleverer than you contest.

  69. herbsarmy says:

    Congratulations GiE.

  70. Rasp says:

    Perhaps dharmasteve you would care to reply to Ric’s comment @ 12:59, it would appear to be far more deserving of your scrutiny?

  71. Red Arse says:

    Can I add my congratulations, GIE. Wonderful news.

    All the best to Mrs GIE, who has to do all the hard work!! 🙂

  72. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Thank you Ric. You just showed what this article is all about.

  73. dharmasteve says:

    Rasp, in my opinion, you are acting exactly in the way of those Rocky is writing about. You seem to be defensive with no argument to put forwards. You agreed you were defensive in one of your replies to me. I’m sure every site has someone who is a bitter enforcer like you but the site may be far better without yoir pure cronyistic remarks.

  74. walter says:

    A very nice blog. I don’t visit other blogs often as they drive me mad with all their hate and vile attacks on our manager and board. Good to see others taking a stand against those haters. A link on twitter made me visit and I have no regrets on following the link. Thanks.

  75. Scott says:

    Back to Le Grove Ric,where you are no doubt a much loved and much valued member.
    Here though,well,not so much.
    Dharma,good to see our still here mate.
    Give it time and you may well find the truth.

  76. krisgooner says:

    very enjoyable read. very clear and most importantly very valid. I cant believe with the Managerial round about that surrounds most clubs some fans still incist on a new manager. look at our north london rivals. 29 managers in 10 years or something, then the one manager that looked to have turned them into a top team is gone. never underestimate the power of stabilty. the grass is not always greener etc great read

  77. Gooner In Exile says:

    Cheers guys….JG membership in application stages.

  78. Scott says:

    Oh,and congrats GIE.
    Remember to talk to the belly……..

  79. ak47 says:

    great read, comments also which is most of the point. well some comments anyway. the ratio is always acceptable here.
    its been over 5 years reading blogs for me and it came to a point where you realise that you cant rationalise with these kids. debate is futile. dharma actually inadvertently hit on a good point……

    To link these qualities with ‘Arsene Haters’ shows you are linking really serious personality defects with those who have a critique of Wenger.

    yup, bingo. have a look around lad. critique is a very loose word in the context of this post but hey. it took me a while but at 29 i can safely say i understand why this world is the way it is. and for me once you get that most things in life that was hard to fathom becomes clear.

    i often pondered their motives. fame?, hits/usmanov? spuds who crossed over in the glory days? or the dumbing down of society?
    intelligence is a complex term.

    not sure if i do it again but i was sick of trying to reason and couldnt stand the haters constantly trolling the good site so i thought i go over le agenda and do a bit of trolling myself. it was fun i must admit. i wasnt abusive, i made valid points in support of arsenal and well a few numbskulls got their brainwashed knickers in a twist so i tormented em mentally. p and d regarding my posts sat on the fence which tells its own story, instead suggesting that the back and forth was distracting to the thread!! i thought it was the place to have an opinion and not get one? oh well. so apologised and left. fair enough i might not agree with your space but its your space.

    and though gef is still a heavy duty chain saw, pedro is just a spanner. and to create something that generates the quantity of mindless comments might not have concerned him when starting out but most ppl as they get older get wiser. so i now find it funny when the monsters they created turn on them!

  80. paddy says:

    A well written insightful piece. And pretty funny….Much that makes sense in this post, with no doubt an element of tongue in cheek about it too, so Idon’t mean to seem pedantic in this comment…

    But while attacking others for imagining casual relationships between events, we should be careful not to indulge in similar lazy thinking ourselves by assuming others to fit a psychological template, based on a particular statement or attitude .

    There may in fact be a wide range of explanations any particular numbskull spouting patently dumb doomer nonsense.

    A few suggestions:

    1. Childlike behaviour in children. Let’s not forget the interweb is full of children playing as adults .

    2. Plain stupidity. Inability to grasp simple concepts.

    3. Inability to grasp probability and distinguish between correlation and causation. This is something we all suffer from to agreater or lesser degree asour minds just are not set up to master it without employing particular techniques.

    One suggestion…. May be advisable to note the source of your definitions for this condition. I’m not doubting their validity, it’s that when you are claiming to have amore scientific approach in your analysis than others, rule number one : outline your sources.

    All in all though, great post. Well done sir.

    And when we talk about those “sites” , Ithink we all know which one we are talkingb about in the main. Badge of honour for

  81. Ric says:

    Yes jack shit that is, none of you even understands this psychobabble so what in gods name are you being so uptight about? The fact that the analyzer here is obviously not qualified to analyze a piece of mould apparently flies straight past you, the fact that he draws biased conlcusions based on his own faulty observations make this piece of fiction stand out as nothing more than fodder for the imbeciles. As I said you may feel better from devalueing your rhetorical adversaries, but it changes nothing. You just look a bit silly and childish. Its like; Look we have a psycoanalyst! Yeah well my dad is a fireman and he can beat up your psychoanalyst any day of the week. Silly, besides the point, and just a bunch of waffle to drown out the fact that the people you support are not doing their jobs properly. No amount of psychobabble will help us win gold, with the current regime in charge. And you are all at fault for aiding and abetting the near criminial negligence taking place at Arsenal right now. YOU ARE!

  82. paddy says:

    ….any half rational internet trawling gooner to be banned from their. The utter cu*ts

  83. Ric says:

    Ah I should have known you where complicit in this idiocy ak47…

  84. ak47 says:

    congrats gie i know how you feel to a point, my ex and i tried for years with no success. fast forward to present chick.

    had my second scan to determine sex last week. we’ll have a brand new gunner on halloween. if all goes well.

  85. Chas says:

    Belting post, Rocky. 🙂

  86. Gooner In Exile says:

    Cheers AK mine is due on 23rd December.

  87. fergalburger says:

    Dharma I am in no way a regular here. I dip in and out from time to time but I have never commented here before today. Many of my thoughts and feelings to do with Arsenal would probably get me chased out of this virtual town. But I do feel like I want to see what alternative thought there is to mirror my oft-perpetual misery.

    Before I explain, I should also assert that football fandom (a practise of the many based on a faith temporarily realised by only the few), is the perfect and legitimate place for cronyism and therefore should be accepted, though not always liked.

    Putting your faith in football is like putting your faith in politics. It offers scant reward in a constantly moving and shape changing environment. This is something felt and experienced by all fans, yet Arsenal have many anomalies as a club that stand them apart from a fans point of view.

    To keep this short and explain my stance in brief, I will say that we are a reactive club with proactive urges that rarely pay off. In the recent past, Arsene/Arsenal has combined chance ingredients to success without ever repeating them because they tend to be from unsustainable sources. Usually players who have ambitions that outgrow the clubs’ or manager’s. Either way, there is little one can do to cater for that disappointment, aside from showing courage in the transfer market and a combination of strength, belief, flexibility and the willing to learn on the training ground. This has to be shown by both the players and the management. I feel that too often the willingness to learn is not shown by Wenger because he knows the recipe for two types of success. Older outright success, newer relative financial success. Both have been usurped by clubs like Chelsea and Man City, and then by Spurs and the likes of Newcastle.

    So our players and management, though well schooled in a wonderfully attractive way of playing football, are now realising that some sacrifices need to be made to compete with rivals on a similar trajectory and less restrained by the history of expectation.

    I can give so many examples but I have already failed to keep this short.

    Nevertheless, there are always some positive signs and these can be fantastic. As I am on a metaphor overdose today, I shall finish with one. The farmer who always takes the praise for harvesting a great crop the right way, or who blames only the weather/market prices for a bad year, ends up shooting himself for the life insurance.

  88. ak47 says:

    oh hello ric, whys that then?

  89. Ric says:

    “One important caveat: of course I am not suggesting that all criticism of Arsene Wenger and the current running of the club is a manifestation of psychological delusionality.”

    No off course you’re not…

    “If you think Arsène should be removed as manager and can present cogent reasons for your opinion – fine, let’s have a debate. We may not change each other’s minds but we can at least respect each other and, through going back and forth, offer each other new perspectives on the issues.”

    After this no man there’s no point, you have your views, those of us not childlike enough to pre-debate lable our opponents as psychotic children will debate amongst ourselves. You know as adults. Whatever you numbnuts do thats fine, but please spare those of us that actually cares which direction this ship heads, from the mock psychobabble abuse of lesser reflected souls. Its just sad really.

  90. ak47 says:

    benny- lmho, whoops, should of told my family first, but they say its easier to talk to strangers. 🙂

  91. Rasp says:

    dharmasteve @1:09

    You are labouring under a misapprehension. Let me give you a simplistic analogy. If someone came into your house with the sole purpose of saying they don’t like the wallpaper, you’d feel the need to respond accordingly and also be bewildered as to why they even bothered – that comes pretty close to your input on this site.

    You are becoming boring and argumentative and you are patently not interested in discussing football but get a kick out of ‘jousting’.

    What do you think of the manager? the team? the new signings? ….. let’s talk Arsenal and then it will all be so much simpler

  92. Ric says:

    Damn fergalburger exuisite post.
    Hey ak47 props on the young gun, and I just meant that suddenly I saw where some of your delusions come from.

  93. Scott says:

    Ric,can I ask what inspires you to get out of bed each morning?
    If my life was so bad that it revolved around attacking true Arsenal fans,I’d have to ask myself why do I bother.
    You’re a trooper,if nothing else 🙂

  94. Ric says:

    Rasp says:
    June 18, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    That would be so much easier if you did not lable us all as drooling school children (while utterly failing to grasp the Irony of your own argument).

  95. ak47 says:

    oh ok, so its not congrats but proper respect on having kids? i knew what you meant anyway so thanx.
    what delusions do i have pray tell.

  96. Rasp says:

    Hi Ric, you’ll know that all of your comments have been allowed and unedited. You have called people ’embiciles’, ‘retarded’ etc etc. You have been abusive and aggressive in your tone and yet we’ve given you the freedom that you wish to deny others … the right to an opinion.

    You have contravened the rules of the site but because of the topic of debate we will make an exception, but please try to make your points without the silly stuff – we’ll understand perfectly well what you are trying to say without it.

  97. oz gunner says:

    Congratulations are in order GiE, great news and goodluck

  98. ak47 says:

    a trooper-lmho indeed scott

  99. Ric says:

    Scott says:
    June 18, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    What in gods name makes you think your support is anything but to the detriment of the entire club?

  100. dharmasteve says:

    fergalburger
    I appreciate seeing you write something about football. That is what makes a blog like this exciting. I really don’t care if I agree with you or not. It’s great to hear someones ideas. Trouble was the original psychologising blog article was an attack on a generalised lot of non existant people. I have heard all that particular crap projected on Jews, Blacks and Asians. I hate it. I visited Auscwitz three times to show respect and meditate on the dangers catogorizing people. Then I read this phantasmagorical, non-humorous stupidity. Sorry but I’d rather read your comments on the football and let you make me smile. This is a pointless defamatory article. My joy is Arsenal playing dance football with power and grace and winning.

  101. Rasp says:

    Ric @ 1:42

    I didn’t say any of that, those are the words of the author of the article not mine. No doubt Rocky will be on sometime should you wish to make that point to him.

  102. Big Raddy says:

    Rocky. An excellent post. Entertaining, educational and funny.

    However, I must bring you to task about the ““Magical thinking invests special powers and forces in many things that are seen as symbols,”.

    We would never have won the Double in 2002 had it not been for my Lucky Mints.

  103. Ric says:

    Rasp says:
    June 18, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    HA HA HA HA is it really that easy to try and take the high road after starting a topic about wether or not your opponents are moronic children. You rasp are simply one of a kind. Where’s the white horse you rode in on?

  104. dharmasteve says:

    Rasp
    ‘Your house’. Methinks you give yourself away. Me and mine and attatchment it is actually a problem, Rasp. I am sure you see yourself as some important controller of this blog. What you write though is just sad defensiveness.

  105. Rasp says:

    Ric, you apparently don’t have a clue about the site you are commenting on.

    Read ‘About AA’ at the top of the page.

    I have not called anyone ‘moronic children’ All the articles on here are written by guest authors – they do not represent my opinion, only the opinion of a fellow Arsenal supporter.

  106. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp. Check your email..

  107. Scott says:

    Ric,define the word supporter.
    Look it up.
    You do not know me from a bar of soap,so don’t presume to know how I support the club.
    I know this.
    I don’t own the club.
    I dont run the club.
    I don’t presume to know better than Wenger,and I dont sit behind a keyboard full of bravado,piss and wind,and pretend to know better than anyone who disagrees with me.
    The club gets more from people like me than it does imposters like you.
    Can you even remember when you were proud to be a Gooner,if you are one at all?
    I’m a proud Gooner every day,not just when things go well,so If
    you think thats detrimental,then you have absolutely no idea about anything.

  108. Rasp says:

    dharmasteve, this is my last attempt to get you to participate in the debate instead of worrying yourself about the way we choose to do things on a site we have created and on which you are a guest.

    Talk about football and that’s fine, continue to be argumentative and I will put you in trash.

  109. LB says:

    Ric

    The difference between this site and most others is that you can have your say.

    I will make you a little bet.

    If you can write a post I would make a small wager that it would appear the head line post tomorrow.

    Is there any where else that would give you an opportunity like that?

  110. Arse.com have announced there will be a new ticketing structure(beyond Category A and Category B) and some changes to Ticket Exchange, details of which will be announced in “early July” – I wonder if that means low demand fixtures like Stoke will be Category Z at £15 a go ? 🙂

  111. Ric says:

    Yeah I remember when I was proud to be a gooner last Scott;
    Think it was in the re-match against Roma when Henry dribbled the entire team from our cornerflag to theirs.

    But onto my point think of it a bit like this, lets say your teen daughter is hooked on drugs; do you support her or her drug habbit?

    I see most of you here as belonging in the latter category. This board is clearly addicted to your money so you keep feeding them.
    Without ever having the balls to stop for a second and ask where does it really go? What am I supporting? You don’t care.

    Now onto the post:

    All this is major BS, if you support the blog fine, but keep in mind that you have just found a seemingly “intelligent” way of denoting all the “unintelligent” curses you get thrown after you for believing the idiocy that you do. This is not a new technique and I wasn’t that far off depicting the similarities with a nazi propaganda document.

    It’s like Mormons calling Catholics stupid based on the fact that they haven’t heard of Joseph Smith.You say something stupid, I call you an idiot, then you find some large psychoanalytical word to descripe the act of me calling you an idiot as far stupider than your actual beliefs. It defies reason, you are per definition still stupid. My act of calling you stupid may not have been MY finest moment, but it does not change YOUR intelligence.

  112. Sammy says:

    Oh Wenger the great!
    What a splendid job you have done throughout the years!!! Selling our best players year after year…And replacing them with French/African unknown,unproven players!

    Wasn’t it a masterstroke selling Cesc for 30M? Brilliant bit of business…
    Wasn’t it an even bigger masterstroke to sell all of our best players to one of our closest rivals?
    Or what about giving players huge contract bumps for underachievement? Bendtner on 52K per week? Almunia got a new contract,Djourou etc

    My favorite bit about Wenger is the great signings he has signed over the past few years…

    Almunia
    Fabianski
    Silvestre
    Squillaci
    Jenkinson
    Chamakh
    Denilson
    Park Chu Young? (Only signed to help out his old club)
    And one of my most favorite Arsenal players of all time has got to be Amaury Bischoff…GREAT SIGNING! The amount of ambition in that signing really sent out a message to our rivals..

    Oh Wenger, please sign a new 50 year contract? I’d love to be the most self sustainable club in the world…Fourth the trophy is good enough for us!

    You lot are a bunch of sore losers…

    Usmanov is the only man that can save this club!

  113. Sammy says:

    PS
    I think a few of you would enjoy this video:

  114. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    Ric – the man who came here to ‘troll the shit out of this site’…his own words.

    Nice to see you here Walter..you’ve got a pretty good site yourself

  115. Scott says:

    Ric,you compare a teenage daughters drug habit with supporting Arsenal.
    Talk aout a drama queen lol.
    For the benefit of us,why don’t you stop waffling and whining,and actually tell us where all our money is going.
    Don’t give us innuendo or rumour,give us he facts.
    Sammy,your rock is missing you.
    Back under it you go 🙂

  116. Big Raddy says:

    Ric. You have a strange idea of what it is to be an Arsenal fan, but if it works for you …..

    As to your habit of being insulting, perhaps that is acceptable in your world but it isn’t on this site

  117. Rasp says:

    Rick @ 2:09 – your first 3 paras are fine …. but after that, who are you referring to?

    Nazi propaganda?, Catholics/mormons ….. get a grip man. In your opinion ‘we’ (whoever that is) are stupid because our opinion is different to yours.

    ‘We’ do not have an opinion, the site has no agenda apart from sensible Arsenal debate.

    You clearly haven’t understood how AA is run. As LB says, if you wrote a coherent article making your points without abuse, we would be prepared to publish it and then perhaps you might appreciate how others with preconceived ideas will fail to understand what you are trying to say.

  118. fergalburger says:

    I appreciate that Dharmasteve but this is not my blog. This is Rocky’s and also I feel that what he has written is quite pertinent. I really don’t feel it attacks anyone in particular as a person. Instead it attacks a school of thought based on particulars that are hugely variable and are presented as fact. The ‘haters’ are not actually always haters and the AKB have got a very good grounding for their stance.

    However, there are no sides because Arsenal is an inanimate set of records and struggles, perpetuated mainly by mercenaries and idiots and marshalled by misunderstood or ill-equipt geniuses.

    The struggle is that ‘real’ fans (whatever they are), want success that they feel reflects their emotional and physical effort and involvement. This is the irony of what football can actually provide. You cannot date it, sleep with it, rely on it, or have an equal relationship with it. You are at its mercy and it often lets you down. To attribute a science or dogma to it, totally defies the logic that it is prone to forces far beyond our comprehension.

    With the advent of multi-camera coverage and OPTA et al, fans often feel they are closer to what makes them an authority on the game. By bringing us closer, they have in fact deluded us more by cultivating this notion of ‘club’. This (club) business, broke the spirit of the club (non-business) when they put ‘stability’ in front of success. The reason they did so is because they knew they had to ‘compete’ (evidence of which we are still yet to see). And this was determined by the mortgaging up to giant’s eyeballs, which had the club and business sail so close to the wind that we almost went under many times. People do not always appreciate the ‘business’ risk that was taken with the club.

    Nevertheless, selling us the future will soon pay off as the ramifications of FPP will coincide with the paying off of our debt plus the renegotiations of major sponsorship and kit contracts. So in this precarious and potentially rewarding future, we have to endure punching above our weight, disguised as disappointing also-rans. But the funny thing is, I think the future will be great. The irony is that it won’t be Wenger or Gazides who delivers it – but not out of their incompetence or shelf life. They will just move on naturally as business and football will have you do.

    It will be down to others and the age of blogs will have us all believe that the change was caused by x, y, z. When actually, the sustainable model + fans’ faith + necessary time for the shifts of power to invite genuine competition will = greater panic and disappointment/jubilation through measurable improvement.

    The one thing we cannot do is forget that none of us can properly analyse football. Not as a whole. Not even as a league. We have no comprehension on all the coincidences, scouting, preparation, tactics, decision making from players, managers and officiators, downright thieving and cheating and so on, that happens in all the games, between all the teams that have some kind of direct and/or indirect influence over how and who a team or individuals will approach playing us.

    All of the above tends to be boiled down into ‘Arsenal don’t like it up ’em’, which we know is mainly bullshit but also part Occam’s Razor.

    All of which means I have spent ages subjecting myself to the rather empty space that is making sense of the non sensical. But I would never take myself too seriously because like football, I am full of shit which I pass through me with regular frequency. It really doesn’t matter any more than going to the toilet. The pleasure is never felt for long enough and most of the time it is largely unmemorable. We never can really explain to friends or loved ones how good that toilet visit was, and the only time we really focus properly, is when there is an injury or blood in it.

    I am now fully mad.

  119. Scott says:

    Dharma,are you serious??
    You’ve added not one thing to this topic…all you’ve done is wasted people’s time and efforts.
    Leave him in Rasp……he will tire of talking to himself soon enough.
    Stick that on WordPress!!

  120. Scott says:

    And they shall laugh like the rest of us Dharma.

  121. Big Raddy says:

    Dharma. I trashed you. Talk football

    As to empty threats,… you say you are a man who believes in peace and harmony – I suggest some internal inspection is in order.

  122. Scott says:

    Bigraddy,Dharma is so uptight,he’s got a big Peace(sic) of Harmony stuck up his backside:)

  123. Shard says:

    The author did not say anyone who doesn’t want Wenger at the club is of the described mental capacity. In fact he right out says it is not so. Why then are some people taking offense as if it is meant to hit out at them personally? Either they did not understand the article, or they see the description of an immature adult as reflective of themselves. Or they just like getting offended about anything and everything they can, and so they can say ‘This is an outrage!”, and feel better about themselves as being better than someone else.

  124. LB says:

    Rasp

    That has got to be step one in disarming these people, step two being BR’s way lol.

  125. evonne says:

    Fergal – can you please stop writing your thoughts in comments and reserve them for a Post? They are too good for mid-of-a-discussion lines.

    Nothing wrong with being mad.

  126. LB says:

    And it worked, see ya.

  127. Rasp says:

    🙂 LB, yes, I could have saved myself a lot of time…. hey ho, you win some, you lose some.

  128. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Some right idiots on here today. Ric, thinks every one else is stupid compared to his magnifence. Thick sammy who criticises Wenger but then contradicts himself by claiming the only thing that will save us is a suger daddy. dharmasteve, who must be the most paranoid Bhuddist on the planet. I thought those guys were meant to be chilled out? good hairstyles though. hahahahah

  129. Big Raddy says:

    Shard. The Voice of Reason

    LB 😀

  130. kel says:

    Rocky are you for real???? almost every thing you accuse people of your god wenger has been GUILTY of, what a shameful article??? i think you should go jump in a lake, wenger is milking the club dry with his 8mil a year plus his percentage on transfers and what has the club achieve???? not a sh*t.
    Arsenal, wenger and the board are the most double standard combination i have ever seen, talk about onething and do another that’s wenger and co….

  131. Shard says:

    I jumped into a lake once.. It was fun.. I’m sure kel means Rocky should enjoy himself.

  132. Scott says:

    Is it a full moon tonight??
    Geeez,every nutter is behind their keyboard tonight.
    They’re tag teaming us lol.

  133. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Guru Shard, great comment @2.24. Sometimes the truth hurts.

  134. Big Raddy says:

    Kel’s comment ties in perfectly to Rocky’s post.

    There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest AW’s wages are linked to transfers. Nor do we know how much AW earns – it is pure speculation.

  135. Scott says:

    Kel,Wenger doesn’t get 8 million a year.
    He pays taxes.
    Has three ex wives.
    16 kids.
    4 dogs.
    Lawyers fees.
    Gardeners.
    Pool man and the big one…….the fees he so obviously pays us all for defending him!!!
    I mean,noody could seriously do so without compensation,could they!!
    Don’t tell anyone Kel,but Arsene even pays my monthly Internet bill!!

  136. Shard says:

    Scott,
    Tag teaming and trash talking usually go together 🙂

  137. hmike says:

    Good job men u ruin our chance to see a trophy in our lifetime we will be like city fans saying “not in my life time” after wining the EPL after 50 and more years b/c u want us to say nothing no comments or no critics about z board and the manger like they r God they know what they r doing and make no mistakes all those years. and accept the fact that our Arsenal is mid table club and qualifying for CHAMPIONS LEAGUE is like wining a trophy, what a shame Arsenal is without a trophy for seven years and set to loos a star player and z board and the manger only promise like they do all those trophy less years and u still stand 4 them using psychological words to describe those fans who really care about z club i mean are u one of z board member or other club fan who want to destroy our club the club is more important than individuals people come people go but z club remains 4ever viva Arsenal fans Viva for those Arsenal fans u called Egocentric, Uncontrolled Emotion, Gratification Attitude and Magical Thinkers
    and by z way knowing this words and describe them Doesn’t make u an intellectual person b/c all those words found in the internet your just a Googler )

  138. Scott says:

    Shit Hmike,that’s the longest sentence in history……use a full stop every hour or so.
    Do you regulars get the feeling that we are news of the day on LG lol??

  139. jnyc says:

    So true Rocky, i often wonder about the negativity of those people. If they hate their team so much, with such vitriol. Imagine how they are in their everyday lives. I love Arsene, ill admit it. If i had a son id name him arsene 🙂

  140. Scott says:

    Goodnight all…..keep the fight up,and keep smiling.
    Even you narks….life’s too short.

  141. Big Raddy says:

    Scott. It’s what happens if you prod a wasp nest.

  142. paddy says:

    Like a guy with a sore tooth who can’t stop touching it, I just read the latest crud spout of a piece on le *****, and, for my sins, the dreaded comments.

    5 minutes reading that guff really does knock ones remaining faith in the human animal.

    As discussed here, abuse often not helpful, but can any right minded person read that brain sewage for more than two minutes without the words moron , imbecile, cretin, etc entering their mind repeatedly?

  143. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    hmike, stick to playstation football. You know nothing about Arsenal and i doubt you ever will.

    Kel, thanks for that information about Wengers salary and the fact he is milking the Club dry, I never knew this. For so long now i have aclaimed Wenger a diety and worship at his image every night. But now you have put me straight i will find myself a new God, maybe Ivan Gazidis, so thank you.

  144. Big Raddy says:

    TMHT. No …. Harry is the Messiah and he is available!

  145. RockyLives says:

    Good day to everyone 😀

    Thanks to the regulars for manning the barricades. It was a bit of a provocative Post, but heartfelt (and a bit ‘tongue in cheek’ as most people have realised).

    I decided to write it after reading (on another site) yet another entitled whinge about the tragedy of having not won any pots for seven years. The toddler-like outrage of the author was quite comical.

    Nevertheless, some great comments on here today.

    Where did Fergal come from? What an entertaining writer! “Rasper, Rasper, sign him up, Rasper, sign him up!”

    But also we’ve had the world’s angriest Buddhist and several posters who made me realise that I had missed off one of the definitions of childlike behaviour in adults: namely, attention deficit disorder. The ADD sufferers clearly didn’t get as far as the part of my Post where I explicitly welcomed debate about Arsene Wenger and the direction of the club.

    Back to tilting at windmills, I suppose.

    For those who may have misunderstood: the Post was about how a sensible debate should be conducted and how some (a minority) of supporters and blog sites seem to lack the emotional maturity required to debate sensibly.

    Ironically, a couple of the people who taken trouble to write comments have illustrated my point more succinctly than I managed to do.

    Oh, and Kel: I agree – knowing long words does not make me an intellectual. What makes me an intellectual is my spectacles, my bushy beard and my big old pipe. Harumph.

  146. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    Haha Sammy…thats it ….skip all the decent signings.

    Repsonse’s like yours simply serve to prove the authors point. Thanks for that

  147. Red Arse says:

    Just returned from a much needed kip, and have felt quite sick reading a lot of that sewage and thinking I had somehow got onto the LG site.

    Thank goodness for you Big Randy for zapping at least one of the malcontents.

    Being liberal, open minded and non censorious is fine in principle, but I think what went down today is just over the top.

    If the site needs an enforcer, not afraid to wield the zapper button, you can count me in. I have a low level of bullshit tolerance.

  148. RockyLives says:

    GiE
    Congratulations!
    We went through something similar before eventually landing our third after a long gap. He’s now a fine 9-year-old little Gooner.

    Just take it easy and lovingly talk to that belly, as was suggested above.

    Then, when you’re bored, talk to your wife’s belly too 🙂

  149. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    hahahaha, Raddy, is it true that “Clive the Fat Pudding Allen” has also received his marching orders from the charming Levy? I have this image of Pudding Allen in a straight jacket blaming Wenger for his plight “shake my hand Wenger, you french git, shake it wenger, show some class you french twat, ahhhh spurs are on there way to wembley ossies gonna do it again ahhhhhh”

  150. MickyDidIt89 says:

    hmike,
    Wrong bloke. Rasp is the “googler” not Rocky. Left arm over to be exact.

  151. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    On LG someone stated (as a wind up) that Arsene gets 50% of gate receipts. There was genuine uproar from a few…..lol

  152. Red Arse says:

    Sorry, Rasper, on reflection, the foregoing sounded a bit like a criticism of your very mature tolerance, under severe provocation, and most certainly was not intended that way. Apologies! 🙂

  153. paddy says:

    Re the point on ever changing predictions and selective memory on “the sitethat shall not be named”.

    Looked through their archives once for evidence of this and found an article with the usual themes and tone: wenger fails to give opportunities to the right players, buys crap players and shows too much loyalty to certain players at the expense of others.

    The amusing thing being that the three brilliant players being held up as examples of those suffering as aresult of these wenger policies were Bendtner, fabianski and Denilson.

    Fast forward a couple of seasons and the same three examples are being used as the ultimate proof that wenger does all of the above. My polite comment on this was of course immediately trashed.

    Chronic and comedic lack of self awareness over there

  154. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Sorry can’t join the fun, but oh what fun. Some truly hysterical comments, albeit some to laugh at and some to laugh with.

  155. RockyLives says:

    Rasp, Redders, Shard, Scott, BR, LB, Terry, Sharkey, oz, AK47, GiE, TA, Sharkey, Herb, GonnerDave, GunnerPete, tommy and anyone else I’ve missed – thanks for being so supportive and defending the Post while I snoozed through the wee hours here in far-flung Canadia.

  156. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    GIE’s belly…lol

  157. RockyLives says:

    paddy
    @3.15 – Exactly! That’s the problem. They (and again I stress that they are a minority) cannot see the irony.

    If AW leads us to a 10th place finish next season and the loss of all our best players, I won’t be on here writing pieces about how I knew all along that he was rubbish.

    I’ll be on here saying I was wrong… and debating where to go next.

    Ain’t gonna happen though 🙂

  158. RockyLives says:

    Redders
    No point getting too worked up about a Buddhist lumping me in with the Final Solution.. let’s just enjoy the humour of the situation.

    I was surprised that DharmaBum didn’t pick up on Rasp’s avatar. Only one of them displayed anything resembling a buddhist approach to the discussion, and it wasn’t the one with “dharma” in his name.

    And at the risk of being boring, Rasp – you played a blinder today. Straight bat when required, but with the occasional flashing cover drive and one or two sixes straight out of the ground.

    I really appreciate it, because you have a real job outside of AA and it can’t always be fun being in the firing line, especially when the author of a provocative Post is absent.

  159. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GiE,
    Fantastic news.
    We also went through all that, four times to be exact, before going “sod it” and adopting children. Either way, all is very well indeed that ends well.
    I genuinely thought I heard a loud and distinct rumble in the distance this morning. Must have been Junior Exile sounding off from within 🙂
    My sicerest congratulations to you and Mrs Exile. Much extra beer and fags for you tonight.

  160. RockyLives says:

    Micky
    Have you been surviving the apocalyptic weather? It’s been lovely here but I keep seeing awful images of storms (even tornadoes) in the SW of England.

  161. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I know this is wrong, but I just cannot help laughing at a Buddhist called Steve. Bet he has a tent and does Gong Therapy at festivals 🙂

  162. Red Arse says:

    Right! Had two cups of really excellently brewed Colombian coffee, and am now properly awake.

    I have boomeranged from feeling underwhelmed by some of the comments today, and gravitated to a satisfied feeling that much is right with the footie world of blogging, thanx to the efforts and comments of all those named by Rocky, and not forgetting that Greek Adonis, MerryT, the manic Fergalbergal and Paddy too. 🙂

    Well done lads. Take a bow! 🙂

  163. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rocky,
    Slightly damp 😦
    Must get back to my Sauce. Back later.

  164. Rasp says:

    paddy: sorry, your earlier comment went into moderation, I released it and moved the time forward to 2:48 so it would not be missed.

    Red Arse: no worries, I’m max’d out in my tolerance banks for today now any way 😕

    Rocky, thanks for another Monday morning cage rattler 😛

    I complimented fergalburger on his brilliant comment earlier.What a gem! He has a really unique way of phrasing – I didn’t want to jump on him too soon, but I’d love to read an article by him

  165. Big Raddy says:

    GIE. Very good news …. another Gooner

    RL. Next time you write a controversial post, get up earlier. Time zones are no excuse … BTW, I think it was one of your best ever

  166. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Micky, ime actuly genuinely shocked at buddist Steve. He was like a dog with a bone in his ranting with Rasp, desperate to have the last word. I dont know much about the religion, only what ive seen on that 70s show Kung Fu, but i thought they took a vow of silence or something, would have been nice if Steve had.

  167. ak47 says:

    no worries, least i could do,

    there was a time i could read le ast agenda and comments but like today i struggle to get through two paragraphs and giraffe(wind y neck in) is much worse as you all know.

    its a bit like that light thingy in that skyline movie. it arsenal so i look while the poison insidiously worms its way in

  168. RockyLives says:

    BR
    Thanks for the compliment (and the wrist slap 🙂 )

    Terry
    “only what ive seen on that 70s show Kung Fu” 😀
    Maybe that’s why Steve was so antsy – he just had to carry a burning cauldron between his forearms…

  169. Red Arse says:

    Rocky,

    I find it difficult not to defend my friends, and I will always do so. 🙂

    In truth, when the accusations are incendiary and utterly appalling, linking an interesting and perfectly innocent Post with bigotry etc, it brings my limited intellectual cerebrum to fever pitch at the injustice of it.

    My ire was difficult to contain when, apart from the puerile comments, there was no response to my pointing out the 4 main tenets of Buddhism, because I suspect that Dharbum was no more a Buddhist than the award winning Glic! 🙂

  170. Rasp says:

    Hi ak47

    Good to have you on the site again. I found one of your comments in spam the other day, I’m afraid it contained a banned word. We don’t want to be prudish but many ladies read the site and if we allow it in context, others will think its OK to use it out of context – if you get my drift.

    Some allegations of racism and antisemitism and references to Nazis and Auschwitz have been way out of line today, but sometimes we leave stuff on so others can judge it for themselves. Your presence is always very welcome on AA

  171. ak47 says:

    no worries rasp, i was kinda oohing and arrhing whether or not to say it but thought it captured my feelings perfectly. i should know the rules to be fair but it wouldnt be the first time ive been lazy. nice to know thats the case. thanx

  172. Rhyle says:

    If I may kinda…defend LG for a moment…there’s actually been a lot of support for the article on there…’course there’s been a lot of mentalists barking like dogs…but, y’know…every blog has ’em…they just bark in a different language…

  173. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp. I think you were magnificent today. You gave space and respect to people who clearly have an agenda. Chapeau.

    RA. I can only concur. Unfounded allegations are infuriating especially from the self-righteous.

  174. paddy says:

    Ta rasp. Will avoid using the moderation inducing, lady offending word if comment in future.

    Just feels so right using it in reference to those people

  175. fergalburger says:

    Well thank you for the compliments. I’ll be here all week…

    You have my email.

  176. Red Arse says:

    Rocky,

    You addressed Kel, earlier, and said;
    —“Oh, and Kel: I agree – knowing long words does not make me an intellectual. What makes me an intellectual is my spectacles, my bushy beard and my big old pipe.”

    You forgot to mention also your magnificent beer belly, your ever ready, never ending flatulence and your propensity not to wear pants when blogging!

    Or was that Glic I am thinking of. —- Remind me Terry, for the sake of accuracy — how exactly did you describe his eminence the gorgeously handsome, even pulchritudinous, award winning Cornish geezer? 🙂 🙂

  177. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Redders, hahahaha, your spot on there. i bet Cornwalls knowledge of buddism extends as far as “what is the meaning of the universe master?” …..”You shall find the meaning of the universe by observing the hit 1970s show ‘Kung Fu’ Grasshopper”, and thats still more than steve knows.

  178. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    A cross between Norman Wisdom and the artful dodger. hahahaha

  179. RockyLives says:

    Redders 🙂
    Where is our Cornish Ice Dream today? Out building walls again? Or do we think the Golden Retrievers have finally caught up with his pork chops…

  180. Red Arse says:

    Rocky,

    Glic was on about looking up some woman’s skirts on a trampoline, a couple of days ago. Not quite sure whether he was on the trampoline, or she was, or both of them were.

    If Terry’s telescope has gone missing then………………… of course,it is possible that he could be engaged in an entirely innocent occupation……. talking to his walls again. I think he said walls! 🙂

  181. evonne says:

    Rocky – ‘the world’s angriest buddhist’ yeeee yeeeee how do you write a shriking noise 🙂

    Kel – Rocky is not even an intellectual because of his long bears, glasses and pipe. He looks younger, handsome Nick Nolte.

  182. Red Arse says:

    Terry,

    In answer to the question about the Universe, I have a young nephew, who some time ago was fixated on dinosaurs and space.

    He taught me some ditties to remember how to pronounce their names, such as “hocus pocus diplodocus”. This was very useful as I had previously been in the habit, in respectable company, of spelling and saying “diplodicus”.

    He had seen a TV programme on spacey things and was telling me that all the galaxies were speeding apart, at the speed of light, from each other and eventually they would all disappear.

    “Now how can that be”, I said, and he explained that it was like an incident in an old TV film we had seen about Balaclava.

    “Do you remember when the canon balls exploded?” he asked and I nodded, “well imagine the point where the explosion occurred as the equivalent of the centre of the Universe, at the time of the big bang, and all the shrapnel zooming away from that point, and from each other piece of shrapnel is the equivalent of the galaxies exploding away from. Get it?!”

    I nodded dumbfounded. And then he landed the killer blow, “well that is not really true, you know, because there is a theory that the Universe has a shape rather like a doughnut and is a three-dimensional torus.”

    Bugger me, the things an eight year old boy knows. “which class did you learn that in?” I asked, thinking I might enroll myself, “oh, it wasn’t in my class” he said with a grin, ……..”I heard that in a Star Trek episode!”

    Bugger me, again, bested by a kid, and not for the first time!

    I know just the one to help the Glicster out with Universe stuff! 🙂

  183. evonne says:

    Can someone please tell me what was GiE’s news? I cannot find it in comments, very busy here today

  184. Rasp says:

    Hi evonne, Mrs GiE is expecting a little gooner

  185. Red Arse says:

    Sky News Sports is reporting Arsenal have signed Giroud, and the official announcement will be after the Euros or after France get whupped on Tuesday!

    OK, the last bit was me! 🙂

  186. evonne says:

    Rasp – how do you know 🙂

    Fantastic news!! GiE – sincere congrats mwa mwa mwa xxx

  187. dandan says:

    Rocky you really are a star I love it when you get the bit between your teeth. Thanks for a lovely smile inducing post.
    Rasp we have never met but somehow I have a view of you as a Jack Russell who couldn’t give monkeys how big the Rottweiler is he aint going to pee on your parade and boy do I enjoy watching you bark lol.
    As for the aggressors who have chosen to ignore the reason in your post Rocky a Buddhist quotation comes to mind “You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.”. How sad that one should choose to vent that anger on a community well known among bloggers as being receptive, tolerant and friendly (well except for RA when he stubs his toe or argues with cars) but then you can’t have everything
    GIE great news, please give your good lady a giant hug from the AA faithful, many on here have trodden that difficult road and you would be amazed just how many adopted children sit behind the keyboard warriors you chat to daily.
    Finally how sad to see young Tom Maynard let drink end his life and devastate another family

  188. Double98 says:

    I Need A Giroud

    Where have all the Bergkamps gone
    And where are all the Gods?
    Where’s the street-wise Henry Now
    To fight the rising odds?

    Isn’t there a wright wright upon a fiery wright?
    Late at night I toss and I turn
    And I dream of what I need

    I need a Giroud, I’m holding out for a Giroud
    ‘Til the end of the night
    He’s gotta be strong
    And he’s gotta be fast
    And he’s gotta be french and not shite

    I need a Giroud, I’m holding out for a Giroud
    ‘Til the morning light
    He’s gotta be sure
    And it’s gotta be soon
    And he’s gotta be better than Park
    (better than Chamakh)

  189. evonne says:

    Dandan – was it drink? i could not understand how Maynard could fall under a train

  190. Double98 says:

    I mean that is his song right there

  191. evonne says:

    Double – thanks for explaining, for a minute I thought you need a white oversized jacket 🙂 good song

  192. Rasp says:

    Hi dandan, I’ll take that as a compliment on 2 counts -1. I have a Jack Russel and he’s a brilliant little dog … and 2. the other Jack Russel was a half decent cricketer 😆

  193. Borehamwood Gooner says:

    My first visit to this site and I must congratulate you on an excellent article. If you really want a laugh go take a look at Just Arsenal. It is full of the Childlike idiots you refer to so well. Everyone acts like a three year old, throwing their toys out of the pram at every opportunity, demanding instant answers. But the recent trend has been for a couple of these kids or childish adults, having a Slagging match with each other about who is giving the real inside info. One guy, cj says he works at the Arsenal and the other, paul says he’s getting info from someone on the inside. All absolutely hilarious but the really stupid thing is the amount of idiots that believe them. Then of course one has Le Grove, disagree with someone there and you get verbally abused and banned.

  194. dandan says:

    Rasp It was meant as a compliment. 🙂

  195. Big Raddy says:

    D98. Brilliant. I was singing along to the new lyrics.

  196. Red Arse says:

    D98, 🙂 Excllent,

    Have you written any ‘professional’ songs, i.e. money earning! 🙂

  197. Red Arse says:

    Oi, DD,

    I always thought I was receptive, tolerant and friendly, and I usually have a very cordial relationship with cars! 🙂

  198. Double98 says:

    May as well finish it 🙂

    Someone after Bentdner
    In my wildest fantasy
    Someone who can take assists
    And Score some goals for me

    Racing through the centre
    And rising with the heat
    It’s gonna take a frenchman
    To sweep me off my feet

    Chorus

    Up where the manchesters and the mug smashers meet
    Out where the frightning stoke players be
    I could swear that there’s someone not chamakh is watching after me
    Through the wind and the chill and the rain
    A newcastle summers day
    I can feel his approach like a fire in my blood

  199. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    Paddy 3.15. Loving your work.

    You’re even worse than me !!!

    Chas can I throw your name in the ring as well..?? We just need one more member and a big black van with a red thingy down the side and we can be a team of lawless renegades travelling the blogs righting wrongs….A(KB?)-Team.

    Well of course I’ll need to get some personal injury insurance, and a legal waiver…and prob need my wifes permission to go out doing daring do’s and stuff.

    Can I get back to you both…??

  200. Red Arse says:

    Sharkey,

    I have not darkened aspects of any of the more radical blogsites for some time.

    I have also been banned from 3 of them, one because I was deemed to be a “la di dah bastard”, another because I was a “Wengerite”, and finally (I may have told you before) I was ‘outed’ as being ‘an elitiste’.

    In some ways that was gratifying, because if they had accepted me as one of their own, I would have had to bail anyway, coz I would not want to belong to any site that wanted some one like me!

    [That does leave my continuing appearance on AA as something of a brain-teaser!!] 🙂
    Altho’ at least here on AA the jury is still out – just ask DD.

  201. BosnianHero says:

    We had a period for 18 years I think without a major trophy.What about Everton and other big clubs around Europe.Barca did not win anything from 1999-2005 and now they are owning.Juventus had that period, Real Madrid etc.Its not like Arsenal is bigger club than those i mentioned.Arsene managed 15 seasons in Champions league, and some nice trophys + amazing football.We should be grateful for this and enjoy while we have a great manager in Arsene Wenger.I hope it lasts for another 15 years 🙂

  202. Red Arse says:

    Well said, BosnianH. 🙂

  203. kelsey says:

    Fantastic post RL, and as expected some very good diverse comments in the main.

    I am still around but pesonal matters make it difficult to get into a full blown debate.

    Love and kisses to you all 🙂

  204. Red Arse says:

    Love and kisses back to you Kelsey, in a very manly way! 🙂

  205. evonne says:

    Kelsey is back! Good holidays?

  206. RockyLives says:

    Hello Kelsey 🙂
    Great to hear from you. I hope all is as well as it can be with you and yours.

  207. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Kelsey,
    I’m not proud. Slip into a Tutu, and I’ll give you a full-on Frenchie. Hope all well with you and Mrs K.

  208. RockyLives says:

    Predictions for tonight’s games anyone?

    I reckon Ireland-Italy will be a draw (possibly 0-0).
    Spain to win by a single goal.

  209. Red Arse says:

    Ireland 2 : 1 Italy

    Croatia 1 : 2 Spain

  210. Klipto says:

    possibly one of the most ill informed articles ive ever read. there are certain doomers who are negative whatever the outcome but most just seem to be agitated that we dont achieve our potential while other teams are strengthening. i think this is understandable. in fact, now most people on particular ‘negative blogs’ (i have a feeling i know which one ur talking about) dont complain about trophies, rather a lack of ambition which i think is fair considering that weve gone from an unbeatable team of world beaters to a mediocre team in constant fear of losing our best players.

    i think the sole purpose of this article was to slate those who dont believe arsene wenger and arsenal are doing the best they can.

    just a thought.

  211. TotalArsenal says:

    Good to see you back here Kelsey! 🙂 Now, please don’t disappear for weeks again! 😉

    Ireland – Italy: 0-2 (sorry Irish!)
    Croatia – Spain: 0-2 (sorry RurP)

  212. glic says:

    If the bar on our goal was this high, then the goal would be bigger .

  213. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Klipoto,
    I’m afraid I don’t have time to engage properly as there’s tings to do bfore tonight’s games, but I do believe everyone at Arsenal is doing their best, and like any Club, makes mistakes. Few could argue that Chamakh was a success or for that matter “what was all that about” Park, however, things have changed dramatically since our dominant period. Namely the Stadium move, the Oil money and Utd’s debt. Of course we are in a trophyless period, but it could easily be argued that we are where we should be and are certainly not under achieving.
    I, for one, have a feeling that very shortly we will be competing at the highest level without any risk of financial problems.

  214. RockyLives says:

    Thanks Klipto
    That wasn’t the sole intention, but I appreciate you taking the time to comment.

    I happen to have no problem with people making an argument against the current running of the club. My Post was more about the way in which the argument is conducted rather than about the argument itself.

    For what it’s worth, I believe we have been laboriously putting in place the ingredients needed for future success (new stadium, paying off our debts etc) during a period of massive international financial insecurity.

    It has necessitated a drop down from our status of 8 years ago (Invincibles), although this is also partly due also to the rise of the Sugar Daddy model of football ownership.

    I don’t want us to be reliant on that model. This period in football history will come to be seen as a “bubble” and clubs who try to play the Sugar Daddy game and get it wrong will end up going bust.

    We have been in a long transitional period of trying to stay competitive while having no money. The fact that we have done so (Champions League every year, a couple of decent runs at the Title, a couple of cup finals) is miraculous and I can think of no manager who could have done this other than AW.

    Moving forward, we will have the cash to be competitive and I expect trophies within the next two years.

    Just my opinion though, and I’m happy to hear your arguments for the alternative point of view.

  215. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ireland Italy 0-2
    Craotia Spain 1-1 (but Croatia will need the first goal)

  216. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rocky,
    Oh why do I bother 🙂

  217. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I cannot get out of my mind that with Buddhist Steve there is a classic sitcom. Starring Coogan or Gervais as a Buddhist with anger management issues.
    Come on Arse, Transplant and Cornwall, get to work. Fame and fortune are just around the corner.

  218. Klipto says:

    Rocky no problem, justdont like being grouped with certain immature people because i think we can do better… not that i take it personally but just so u know that those type rude childlike fans are in the minority….

    i agree that we are not doing terribly considering our competition, but what do you think it will take to get to competing for epl and cl again…

    i dont want us to become grotesque spenders but seeing arsenal settle for average players last season (gervinho and park) when better players were available is not going to help us at all

    what do you consider achieving?

  219. Pat7 says:

    Some great discussion on here today chaps! Great post & RA – you’re amazing with words!!!

  220. glic says:

    Blimey what a day. Whilst I`ve been building the Great Wall of Cornwall, Rocks writes a masterpiece and every Buddhist and his fat belly turn up.
    Buddhist my Arsenal, more like a Budweiserist !.
    I`m the mellowed chilled out peace loving gooner on here, being the first ever Gooner Jedi Knight obviously helps (the force in this one Is strong and it has to be with a trouble and strife like mine ! ).
    Great news for you GiE, you`ll have something more important than The Arsenal .
    Ohh , obviously, you already had something more important, your Wife !. 🙂

  221. evonne says:

    Ireland v Italy 1:0
    Croatia v Spain 2:2

  222. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Evonne,
    If I didn’t know you better, I’d say you’d been on the Liffy Water 🙂

  223. Big Raddy says:

    Italy 3-1

    Spain. 2-1

  224. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Enjoy the games all.

  225. evonne says:

    Micky 🙂 Listen, there have been so many shocking results in this tournament, that anything is possible

    Come on Paddies!!!

    Irish – they have been voted best fans (and worse footballers) of Euros 2012 so far. You lose some, you win some

  226. Big Raddy says:

    Good to see Croatia in the red & white

  227. RockyLives says:

    Klipto
    There was some strange transfer business last year and I think everyone at the top of the club has admitted it was a bit of a cock-up.

    Having said that, Arteta and Mertesacker are class additions to the squad and bring some much needed experience. Also, I think Gerv will come good.

    You ask what I will consider achieving…
    Next season I will consider it achieving if we are in with a realistic shout at the Premiership title with five games to go (and if we finish in the top three); a good run in the CL (quarter finals or better) and at least a semi-final in one of the domestic cups.

  228. paddy says:

    Sharkey @ 5.56

    Yep, of course you can mate. No worries

  229. RockyLives says:

    By the way, that does not mean that that’s what I am happy to settle for!

    I want us to win everything. But taking into consideration the competitiveness of the various competitions I think I am being realistic. If I was asked what would be “achieving” for ManUre or Chavski next year I would say exactly the same as I’ve just said for Arsenal.

    For Citeh, with their ridiculous expenditure, the bar is probably higher – Champions/runners-up and CL winners/runners-up.

  230. Big Raddy says:

    No Rocky. We will be singing “We won the League at the Sports Direct Arena”

    Has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?

  231. glic says:

    Micky that would be a good sit-com, But I`m in the early stages of producing the Cornish version of ” Bay Watch “, called Widemouth Bay Watch.
    I`ve already pulled in TMHT ( I had to fight for his services, he was just about to sign up for a new show called Syrup Watch ) to play a Hasselhoff sort of character called Terry Syruphoff and Redders is going to play a Pamela Andersonish Trannie character called Bazooka Bubbles !.
    In the opening scene, Bubbles is struggling in the water, Terry goes running to her rescue , bare chested with Syrup bouncing up and down ( whole scene in slo-mo ) . He exits the water, struggling to carry the 18 stone Bubbles and the syrup has now slid down onto his chest and Bubbles Bazooka erupts. As I say early at the moment.

  232. WiganGooner says:

    I’m always late, but never dishonest. Love the article Rocky. You never disappoint.

    Sorry I’ve been a stranger guys and gals..work is what it is at the moment and I’ve barely time to breathe…let alone plan my stag do this weekend and the upcoming wedding….

    That aside however, you are my daily fix and I hope you guys realise how truly great you all are. Solid, reasoned bloggers in a sea of contempt-worthy dross.

    Well done to all of you.

    WG
    P.S. I’ll be back.

  233. RockyLives says:

    Micky
    Great idea for the sitcom.
    Did you ever see the episode of Black Books where the Bill Bailey character accidentally swallows “The Little Book of Calm.”
    Genius.

  234. Big Raddy says:

    WG. Best of luck with the stag do

  235. RockyLives says:

    Howdy Wiggy
    Nice to hear from you – and good luck with all the nuptials.

  236. WiganGooner says:

    @Rocky

    Totally loved Black Books, I have them all on DVD…an awesome comedy series.

    Manny, aka Bill Bailey was an awesome character, brilliant,

    WG
    Thanks for all the well wishes 🙂

  237. Irishgunner says:

    Highlight of the first half and the whole tournament, Irish fans singing “Sing when we want, we’ll sing when we want, fuck off Roy Keane, we’ll sing when we want.”

  238. Red Arse says:

    Thanx Pat7 for the compliment @ 7:21.

    Long time since I have seen you.

    Cyprus still treating you well?

  239. Red Arse says:

    WG

    Many congrats on your forthcoming nuptials!

    See you back on WG soon.

  240. Gooner In Exile says:

    Thanks for all the good wishes guys and gals.

    Means a lot to me and the missus.

  241. Red Arse says:

    Phone driving me mad so I bid you all g’ night.

  242. Irishgunner says:

    GIE – What is happening? I can’t go read all the comments, this might be the last 30mins Ireland see in a tournament for another decade 😳

  243. Anotherswissgooner says:

    Hello everyone! This is my very first post on your blog, though I’ve been following it for some months now. I’m moved to comment because of the theme of the post and the nature of the feedback. It might also have something to do with the fact that my family gave me an iPad for father’s day, which makes commenting a damn sight more easy.
    I’ve been a gooner for 15 years now, for no other reason than my brother-in-law is. (he’s pretty rabid, I’m Canadian can’t quite get the neighborly rivalry re spuds. I am however ready to hate them for form’s sake.)
    What attracted me to the Arse was that actually they weren’t like other teams. I could be proud of the history, love their style of attacking football, and be proud of our lack of sugar-daddy status. Surely it’s one of the great pleasures of being a gooner that we can see ourselves as being both an underdog and a legitimate contender for glory!
    It’s only in the last few years that I’ve started to really be fan of this team, and that’s because I’ve suffered as they don’t achieve everything I think they deserve.
    Doesn’t stop me supporting every player and the manager though. If I suffer when they lose what must they go through? They live this, I just watch it.
    In the last year I’ve been reading many of the blogs both positive and shall we say “challenging.” Your blog continues to make me proud to be a gooner. Do I think every decision was correct? Hell no, but that’s just my opinion. Keep going all, it’s been a pleasure.

  244. Red Arse says:

    Glicster I will speak to you tomorrow about my royalties!
    Don’t forget – trannies get double pay.
    It can come out of Terry’s cut, he will never notice!

  245. Irishgunner says:

    Welcome – AnotherSwissGooner, my Dad got an Ipad too, but for his 60th, won’t come off the thing now 😆

  246. Rasp says:

    Hi Anotherswissgooner (we’ll probably have to shorten you to Asg in the future),

    Welcome to AA and thanks for joining the debate. You are of course correct. Arsenal isn’t perfect, Arsène isn’t perfect, but the standards we aspire to represent something special in modern football that we as fans can be justifiably proud of.

  247. RockyLives says:

    Welcome ASG
    I’m a Brit, but based in Canada (Toronto). Are you a Canadian in the UK or in Canada?

    Irish
    That’s funny – we’ve just been training up me owl’ Irish mammy in the use of an iPad (and she’s 78). I wouldn’t say she’s taken to it like a duck to water, but she’s getting there.

  248. RockyLives says:

    Haha Rasp – I already shortened to ASG 🙂

  249. Irishgunner says:

    RL – For Father’s Day my sister got my Dad one of those “Dummies Guides To …” for the Ipad and he seems to find it useful. The apps on them are all set up for him. We’re thinking we’ll have to get one for my mother for her 60th 😆

  250. RockyLives says:

    Thanks Irish – I’ll have to try and get one for me mam.

  251. Scott says:

    Well that’s how devoid of anything original and fresh LG is…they’ve spent more time talking about this article than anything else today.
    I suppose ou can only call Wenger a **** so often,can’t you?
    If that mob aren’t the perfect example of what appens when brothers and sisters copulate,I’ll give it away.
    Bravo,Rocky.
    It takes a hell of a lot to keep morons interested for more than two minutes,but you’ve done it.

  252. Irishgunner says:

    Well that’s that. Will Trapattoni stay or go?? We’ll see.

  253. LB says:

    “I’m Canadian can’t quite get the neighborly rivalry re spuds. I am however ready to hate them for form’s sake.”

    There you go, with that second sentence you are well on your way to making a lot of friends here.

  254. RockyLives says:

    Thanks Scott

    LB
    Very funny 🙂

  255. jnyc says:

    ASG, well said, i agree totally, keep coming back – ur a welcome addition. 🙂
    Rocky , did u say ur in toronto,? I didnt know. not too far from me, let me know if u ever come to nyc we’ll see a match at the arsenal bar. —- by the way, u know im a big proponent of gervinho, i think hes going to better than good, just needs regular minutes, and confidence in finishing.

  256. Klipto says:

    wow breath of fresh air… probably the most on-point view ive heard in a while…

  257. RockyLives says:

    jnyc
    I get down to NY fairly often – I’ll let you know next time I’m coming. Likewise, let me know if ever you’re heading up this way.
    I agree re Gerv – he’ll come good.

  258. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    Red Arse 12.13.

    One handed behind the back slam dunk over a double defence of Shaq and Ewing.

    Tremendous work.

    Is that me being a little immature or even childish…??

  259. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    Hey Irish…your boys got a bit of pride back tonight and made a game of it with a great spell in the 2nd half.

    Only fly in the ointment thru my ‘Irish eyes’ were Robbie Keane and Shay Given. Not just tonight, but the whole tournament. If Shay isn;t 100% – don;t play hom, if Robbie won;t chase and harry as an extra midfielder – don’t play him.

    And in the spirit of todays post from CorkyElvis – yeah I’m an Accountant and I do know better than the Trap !! Anyone disagrees with me and I’m telling my mum you were horrible to her little angel.

  260. Anotherswissgooner says:

    Now that makes me feel welcome! Not half an hour on this site and I already have a nickname! I hereby proudly claim ASG.
    Rocky, I’m originally from Winnipeg, but have been in Switzerland for 21 years now. You won’t believe my job: I manage a British Pub!
    I’m obliged to be politic in my dealings with other ex-pats, so avoid talking football too much.
    One thing I will say, we can take some comfort that the severe fringe of fan can be found at every club, England and elsewhere. Some people just aren’t happy less they’re unhappy!

  261. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    Ok last one from me…well from Scott if truth be told –

    “Sorry I’m not as eloquent as some,but get over yourself princess!!!

    You know when a song. a thought or a line just won’t leave your head…but you’re glad about it ….that’s it right there. Brillant.

    Ok now someone on here (but not you Chary – soz) needs to set it to music. Then Chas will sort the video. Cushti

  262. Dharmasteve = Has Vet Dream. Probably the Buddhist equivalent of a Wet Dream, but with animals !.

  263. SharkeySure'sGhost says:

    With a name that long you were always going to get a nickname 🙂

    Yes, thats actually a ‘welcome’ from me…..

    Night
    Ps. RockyLives prefers to be known as Corky, Elvis or Both. Thats actually ‘Both’, not the two other names joined together !

  264. Anotherswissgooner says:

    Cheers Sharkey. Btw what’s your name reference?

  265. RockyLives says:

    ASG
    Because of his purple prose he’s known as Sharkspeare

  266. RockyLives says:

    A Canadian running an English pub in Switzerland 🙂

    Me like.

  267. Irishgunner says:

    SS – Yeah, to be honest its a pity Given, Dunne, O’Shea, Duff and Keane have been so bad at Euro 2012. Not like them as you may for club allegiances, but for Ireland they have always been immense and for it to take them 10 years to qualify for a tournament and to play so badly is sad.

    But time for the new crop – Westwood, Clarke, Coleman, Brady, Pilkington, McCarthy, McLean, Long etc.,

  268. Anotherswissgooner says:

    Yeah Elvis (?) it’s been great. To be honest I only really acquired my addiction to Arsenal since I became a pub landlord 7 years ago. Football is a pernicious disease don’t you think.

  269. RockyLives says:

    Pernicious is a good word ASG.

    My name is RockyLives and I am an Arsaholic.

    Have been for 40 years!

  270. Anotherswissgooner says:

    Cheers and goodnight RockyLives! We’ll meet again.

  271. Scott says:

    Thanks Sharkey.
    I always specifically ask for my Chinese food to have no ASG…..it’s not good for you 🙂

  272. Gooner In Exile says:

    ASG, a Canadian running a British pub in Switzerland…..that kind of makes sense in this world we live in 🙂

    Irish…I am an expectant father of a new Gooner.

    That pass by Fabregas tonight was a bit special altho he had bags of time to make it as Croatia were shattered. Busquets very lucky with the tug on Corluka.

    As I read the comments today I did find it kind of funny that poor old Rasp was being attacked as the leader of this “Pro Wenger” site pushing his ideas of Arsenal perfection to the masses. Most of us regulars know Rasp is someone who challenges the state of the club but in a grown up way.

    One other thing I realised when reading through some of the more inflammatory comments was that long words and lots of paragraphs does not make for reasoned debate, it can just be a childish rant as described by Rocky in today’s post. Some of LBs and GMs one liners are gold dust.

  273. Anotherswissgooner says:

    GIE, my previous job was head chef in a tex-mex joint! Also in Switzerland. It’s fair to say I’m a bit of a mutt.
    Scott, ASG has yet to be confirmed as the source of any dietary danger. Please don’t knock it til you’ve tried it.

  274. RockyLives says:

    Goodnight ASG!
    glad to have your company

  275. weedonald says:

    The proper clinical terms (from the DSM-IV-TR ) for this form of arrested development in adults is either Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is defined as a craving for attention principally based on others’ mistaken acceptance of the afflicted persons self-aggrandizement and manipulation of the truth/falsehoods or Neoteny, the retention of juvenile characteristics in the otherwise functional adult. either one fits the AAA’s to a tee.

  276. goonermichael says:

    Congratulations GIE. I take it you are pregnant. Rocky that was a very well written piece. I think your stereotyping of people was a bit uncalled for though

    ” with their day-jobs as IT workers, local government officials, Post Office sorters, or Sainsburys shelf stackers – to think they know better than a man like Arsene Wenger about which players are needed for Arsenal”

    Would no accountants (or hairdressers) think like that?

    I thoughtit was a great post though.

  277. chas says:

    A super day’s comments in keeping with such a fine barnstorming post. Top stuff.

    I had a look elsewhere to sample the reviews and was amused to find reference to “the AKB” like some revolutionary, underground para-military movement.

    On the princess theme, this bears no relevance whatsoever to anything that has gone before on today’s blog, but I like it anyway.

  278. chas says:

    Flippin heck, nearly forgot, thanks for reminding me, GM ………congrats to the GIEs, superb news. 🙂

  279. goonermichael says:

    I think we got here a bit late chas 🙂

  280. oz gunner says:

    Well done Rocky, this brought out a fair few new quality posters as well, Rasp and co good job keeping sane through all that mess, how you did it is beyond me, some people are just beyond reason.

    Welcome Swiss, I to came on here after a few months of reading, it was a great choice, It will definitely keep you sane in and out of the football season.

    @ Kelsey
    goodluck and I hope it all works out for the best

    @ WG

    goodluck with the stag and wedding

  281. Gooner In Exile says:

    The stag night doesn’t need luck just alcohol 🙂

    Actually same goes for the stag on his wedding day.

    Hope all goes well WG.

  282. oz gunner says:

    that is crazy GiE, poor Ronaldo, i bet he wishes he was covered by 5/6 blokes though

  283. RockyLives says:

    Evening GM
    reading your comment I can see how that sentence might have read.
    I just mentioned a few job descriptions that popped into my head – it could just as easily have been accountant, hairdresser, barrister, astronaut.

    The point was, that people whose professions have nothing to do with professional football find no irony in saying how they would know better than AW when choosing which players to bring on.

    It would be like me presuming to know better than you how to style hair.

    Sorry if it came across as something different.

  284. herbsarmy says:

    Hi Rocky,
    a very enjoyable read, and the fact that it caused so much discussion over at Le Grove is a glowing testament of your sterling work.
    One thing I would just like to say is that nobody should consider our self-sustainability as a moral high-ground on which to legitimise their point. We support Arsenal, and therefore would support whatever philosophy they chose. We might baulk at the way Chelsea and Man City currently operate, but we’ve done the same in the past, albeit on a very different scale (and obviously in a different time-period). Had the BoD’s chosen the same business model as Chelsea or Man City, we would have embraced that just as readily, because our emotional links to the club are non-negotiable. We only champion self-sustainability because we echo the club’s mantra, just as other club’s supporters do, and I bet there won’t be many Chelsea or City fans calling for their club to ease-up on their spending power.

  285. RockyLives says:

    Herb
    You are absolutely 100% right.
    I have no time for Usmanov, but if he takes over the club it won’t affect my passion for Arsenal one iota.

    It’s an important point that you have made – effectively, that the Club is bigger than any particular owner, manager or player. And we support the Club.

  286. Scott says:

    ASG,I shall give you the benefit of the doubt…for now 🙂

  287. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Scott,
    “Get over yourself Princess”.
    Just worked 🙂

  288. Scott says:

    Use it with pride Micky.

  289. Gooner In Exile says:

    It might not affect my support for the club if Usmanov took over but I wouldn’t like it. Just as many United fans don’t like Glazers but still support Fergie and the team.

    I have no problem with fans thinking we should sell out, its their opinion. It’s that they justify it by saying it will bring trophies. When football becomes about the owners more than the manager and players it’s a sad day.

  290. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas,
    No other country could produce a National Footy Anthem like that.
    Superb.

  291. Gooner In Exile says:

    We could adopt that at the Emirates. The right syllables 🙂

  292. Big Raddy says:

    chas. Inspiring …. as you say Mick, who else?

    That and 3 Lions are both as English as the “Full” breakfast.

  293. Big Raddy says:

    GIE. Fine idea – I am sure it will happen.

    As to tonight. Now the expectation has risen and the nation looks forward to a Rooney inspired easy victory of the minnows from Ukraine, it would be so English to struggle.

    But cometh the hour, cometh the man. The Ox will score if he gets more than 15 mins

  294. Red Arse says:

    Morning Guys,

    I have a good friend who supports Chelsea, and he told me that when Abramovich took over Chelsea he was very upset and did not want Oligarchs anywhere near his club.

    Three years later when I asked him about it he said I was just jealous! He had done a complete volte face!!

  295. Big Raddy says:

    RA.

    He will also complain about MC buying the league. What do you expect …. he is Chelsea 🙂

  296. Scott says:

    RA,I will stand to be judged and shot down.
    If Usmanov buys us out and spends hundreds of millions,I will remain an Arsenal fan,but will take no pride in their victories at all.
    A big factor I’m so proud to be a Gooner is the way the club is run.

  297. evonne says:

    Morning, what a great day of comments it was yesterday!
    The only thing that rattled my cage is the shared dislike for Usmanov. Why is that? He is a Gunner, DD knew him personally and thought him fit to join the club, the jail term was typical of the communist regime, he pledged his love for AFC on more than one occassion. so what why?

  298. evonne says:

    Swiss – some great comments from you yesterday. Sharkey told us his name last night – mummy’s little angel, Angel for short.

    Rocky – Irish mum? Aha, now I understand.

  299. Red Arse says:

    Of course you are right Raddy. 🙂

    Me too, Scott! I am a bit of an old fashioned traditionalist at heart.

  300. Gooner In Exile says:

    Look Chelsea shouldn’t be allowed to win anything, no class:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2161317/Chelsea-damage-European-Cup.html

  301. Scott says:

    Evonne,its more the fact that Id prefer our club to be run in an ethical and self sustaining manner,rather than become one mans plaything.
    If Usmanov came in,I’d rather him spend 100 million setting up some youth academies around the world than simpley use it to buy a title.
    For me,Arsenal and football aren’t all about winning,so I’m happy watching them play our brand of football,knowing its a side and club that’s been built and not bought.
    I coach my sons team,and from day one,I have taught them that it’s not all about winning.
    I’d be a hypocrite in wanting Arsenal to sell out.
    I may be an idealist,but that’s just my opinion.

  302. evonne says:

    Scott – that I understand, I am proud about the Club selfsustainability. I don’t care if we never win anything again (it would hurt though), as long as we remain unique and proud.
    Unfortunatelly, I don’t think this state of affairs will prevail for much longer. And I’d rather Usmanov who is a Gunner than some chicken moguls

  303. Rasp says:

    Morning all……

    ….. New post …….

  304. goonermichael says:

    evonne
    Why do you think usmanov is a gooner. Everything I’ve heard says he’s a manu fan and had a box there.

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