What Silent Stan REALLY Wants

Stan Kroenke is going to have to think about changing his nickname. He has been blabbing so much lately that the ‘Silent’ tag is starting to feel a tad ironic, a bit like ‘Little’ John (Robin Hood’s giant buddy) or ‘Curly’ from the Three Stooges (he was bald) or John ‘Not At All Racist’ Terry. After talking to the media in the States, then speaking at the Arsenal AGM, our majority shareholder spilled his guts again to a group of reporters recently.


It was a long interiew, filled with interesting observations about all sorts of things – from the way the Glazers run Manchester United (just fine and dandy according to Stan) to the astonishing fact that it is possible to have interesting discourse with Chelsea fans.But when I read the transcript of the interview, I noticed that a certain motif cropped up repeatedly. It gave me an insight into what Stan thinks about himself and, by extension, what he values in others.

The key concept is ‘intelligence’ (or ‘smartness’, in more colloquial terms).
Look at the examples:
Asked about how he defined success (and how long he felt it was reasonable to wait for trophies) our yakety Yank said: “We (meaning him and his team) have a broader experience than anybody in sports,” adding that he was “smart enough” to know that you can’t win silverware every year.

He was emphasising that the ‘smart’ approach was in taking the long view and not being a slave to instant gratification.

When the questions inevitably led on to whether Arsenal could compete financially with the likes of Manchester City, with their bottomless well of murky oil money, Stan was clear about the way he would like to achieve success: “I would be much more proud if all our leagues were developed with the idea that you are competing on the basis of intellect and work and effort instead of just simply, ‘I am going to throw dollars against the wall.’ Anybody who is a sportsman would rather compete on the basis of intellect, cleverness.”

On one level, the subtext here is that none of us should expect Stan to start splashing money like a chav in a chip shop. But also that he is ambitious – it’s just that his ambition is to win clever, not win broke. And when waxing lyrical about the success of the NFL (the professional organisation for American Football in the States) he pointed out that success was “all about how smart are you in selecting personnel.”

Moving on to baseball, he mentioned the new Brad Pitt movie Moneyball, which tells the story of Billy Beane, a baseball coach for an unfashionable and relatively poor team who achieved success through outsmarting his richer opponents: “Moneyball is all about being smart in sports, specifically baseball. There’s a wave in the US now of statistical evaluation – this whole science of sport goes a long way. There’s some very smart people – we employ some of them – who are analysing every stat and who are connecting every bit of data and trying to make sense of it. But that really started with Billy Beane, who is the guy in Moneyball. And Billy Beane’s hero truly is Arsene Wenger. He loves Arsene.”

Even on the subject of Samir Na$ri’s controversial move to Man City in the summer, Stan was at pains to focus on intelligence: “That’s where being smart and not being smart comes in. You’ve got one year left on a player’s contract. You’ve got a large sum of money being offered. Can you employ those resources better than you could had you not taken the money, taken a chance on losing the guy for nothing in a year or perhaps overpaying for him now and having less resources later?”

And on Manchester United under the Glazers: “I think it’s time maybe for everybody to think a little bit. They ought to think a little bit about who invests in these clubs.” In summary, in the course of just one interview, there are more than 10 examples of words like “smart”, “clever” and “intellect”. This is a man speaking off the cuff to journalists, not reading a prepared speech. A psychologist would suggest that these key words, used so liberally, are evidence of what’s really at the forefront of the speaker’s mind.

To me that means that Stan Kroenke is a man who values intelligence above all other qualities. Yes he likes courage and he likes the idea of making money and not spending it unnecessarily and he likes learning about football (there are references to all these in the interview), but his overriding obsession comes through loud and clear.

He sees himself, above all, as a SMART sports business owner. One who is not swayed by the daily rise and fall of fan disgruntlement or media muck-stirring, but who has a long-term vision and strategy. In that case it’s hardly surprising that he seems so comfortable with Arsene Wenger – the thinking man’s football coach if ever there was one. He clearly values Arsene’s analytical and professorial approach to the job over, say, the passion of a Ferguson or the duck-and-dive slipperyness of a Redknapp. I think it’s a good thing.

It should mean he will empower and enable Arsene to do his thing as well as he possibly can do it. And at a time when Arsene and Arsenal get far too little credit for the “smart” way in which the club has been run in recent years, it’s a refreshing vote of support for values that we supporters can also all be proud of. Man City may well win the league this year, but ask yourself: would you rather be a City fan or an Arsenal fan? You know the answer, and so do I.

Keep the faith Gunners: what we have is worth more than anything anyone else can possibly offer, however endless their supply of petro-dollars.

RockyLives
 

204 Responses to What Silent Stan REALLY Wants

  1. evonne says:

    Hi Rocky – what a smart observation you’ve made! I have read the Blabbing Stan’s interview and completely missed this gem. You are right, he seems to value intelect above all else. Well, well, isn’t he just the right owner for the proud Club of ours?

  2. chas says:

    Nice one, Rocky.
    I haven’t read Stan’s interview. thanks for the intelligent summary.

    The League position chart on the right looks like my blood pressure readings for the average Arsenal game. Thankfully Saturday was far more relaxing.

    ‘Like a chav in a chip shop’ reminded me of this. They must be spuds, surely?

  3. TotalArsenal says:

    Hey Rocky, that is a very smart piece of journalism. In fact, I am sure that Stan himself would approve of it 🙂 I hope it allow us to have a bit of a debate about strategy today, and your post is the perfect start for it! 🙂

    I guess most of us on AA wholeheartedly agree with the principle of trying to win things the intelligent way. Giving Arsene free-range on all football matters and showing confindence in him, makes perfect sense for Kroenke. Anything else, and Arsene is off.

    Yet, it looks to me he is having some on-field impact on Arsene as well. The ‘smart’ shift towards buying a number of experienced and very willing older players – mixed with the talented ‘youngsters’ we already had – could well have been instigated by Kroenke. Time will tell whether it is the right strategy, but I am loving it right now.

    I love to see proper smartness in football. Look at the current successes of Norwich and Newcastle for example. Good managers/owners who know that it is “all about how smart are you in selecting personnel” (Kroenke quote you used) and how to deploy them on the pitch, how to motivate them, and how to improve them – individually as well as within the wider context of the team. That’s what is great about football and yes, you are right, it would be horrible to be a Man City fan now: bought success becomes worthless over time – nobody ever speaks about the Blackburn ‘successful’ mini-period in the nineties, and I hope the same will happen to Man City, if and when they win something eventually.

  4. Easterngooner says:

    And Marco Van Basten says that Arsenal are the most beautiful club in England and the classiest….and that’s why we are all proud to be Arsenal fans because we can appreciate and cherish the football ethos and principles that Arsenal FC embraces.

  5. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Rocky, Fine intelligent read, I`m more akin to the “geezer`s in chasers video, so dont ever expect fine writing like that from me! 🙂
    Talking of the Technomage, chas, any chance of putting Jack`s video chat with kugan Cassius from iFilmLondon on, I wouldn`t know where to start !.
    I did remark last night about Jack saying “he wants to stay forever and be part of the future ” but maybe everyone knew this ( I didn`t ) and It went down like the turfmuncher.

  6. TotalArsenal says:

    GLiC, what’s a turfmuncher?

  7. TotalArsenal says:

    Well said Eastern 🙂

  8. Illybongani says:

    Excellent post Rocky. My work based objectives have to be S.M.A.R.T. – Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic and Time bound. I wonder what Silent Stan’s SMART objectives are. Specifically to win a trophy or specifically to be self-sustaining? Measurable? There doesn’t seem to any short-term target there. Achievable and Realistic? With Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd resources to compete against? Maybe not achievable OR realistic. And Time bound? Six years and counting, this doesn’t seem to be a factor really, does it?

  9. dandan says:

    Well written and salient article Rocky.
    Given the current economic situation in our western world we may well find that the Stan, Arsene enterprise is manna from heaven. The intelligent “smart” use of finance will IMHO prove critical in the seasons ahead as the imprudent in all walks of life not just football fall by the wayside. It is no accident that most commercially successful company’s balance sheets are awash with cash, as they prepare to face a hostile future rather than investing today at the top of the market.
    Today’s transfer values hyped by the oily easy come, easy go philosophies of Arab and Russian money are not sustainable as there is a limit to the size of playing staff that even they can hold. Players eventually will want to play, whatever the reward for sitting on their backsides. At that point they will want a move and if not granted the self-seeking Samir’s of this world will disrupt and ruin the dressing room harmony and like Mr Tevez become available at more realistic prices.
    Young talent coming through, an inspired captain and leader who relishes the honour the club has bestowed upon him, a manager and owner in sync with each other, a magnificent almost debt free stadium, cash for players if we need it. We are indeed fortunate, as our club emerges from the tribulations of recent times, lifts it head and smells the glory that undoubtedly will be the reward for the smart people who run it and us lucky enough to support it.

  10. WiganGooner says:

    Excellent analytical approach, taken and delivered with intelligence.

    Great job.

    WG

  11. LB says:

    An extremely interesting read Rocky, sprinkled with clever one liners that never fail to make me laugh.

    “Splashing money like a chav in a chip shop”

    Hilarious.

  12. evonne says:

    Chas – thanks to you I am not sure anymore if I love Jack or Carl more…… aren’t they fan-bloody-tastic lads???

  13. chas says:

    Evonne, great lads indeed.
    I wasn’t even aware of the Jack video until Mr Glic mentioned it. 🙂

  14. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    chas,
    Thanks,your like Usain Bolt out of the blocks when someone wants something doing !
    Total,
    Freddie in the Final, RVP the other weekend, ” Turfmuncher is my nickname for John Terry ! 🙂

  15. Here’s a young man with his head screwed on properly, back in training by mid-December, then it’s up to Wenger. Please Mr Wenger do NOT rush him back, Reinforce in the January transfer window if necessary, but give Wilshire all the time he needs to recover, we CANNOT afford to gamble with this young stars future, he’s far too valuable.

  16. GLiC,

    Oh! John Terry! That’s a relief I thought it was something quite different.

  17. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    LG, 100% agree. We want this wonderfull talent to have a LONG Arsenal career.

  18. Illybongani says:

    LG – I think you’re thinking of carpet munchers, which is a whole different thing!

  19. Rasp says:

    Top post Rocky. The Stan approach is the only way in this transitional period of English Football. Personally I have little hope of FFP creating the level playing field that many expect, so prudence and intelligent management the Arsenal way is the answer.

  20. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    LG,
    Are you thinking of “carpetmuncher”, According to his team mates wive`s, he`s one of those aswell ! 😆

  21. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Illy beat me to it

  22. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Great stuff as always Rocky.

    Talking about carpets, its good to see that Stan dosn’t seem to be a ‘ Carpetbagger ‘, trying to pass on to us some dodgy snake oils.

    The line for me in terms of ownership is always the extraction of income. If Stan makes his money from capital growth i.e. sells his stake in the future for a big windfall, then no problem. If however he decides to take money from the club in terms of dividends, consultancy fees or through some dodgy financial instrument, thereby reducing our ability to pay competitive wages or enter the transfer market then i will not be happy.

  23. Gooner in Exile says:

    I thought the Turfmuncher was Suarez, but i see how Terry works just as well.

    Cracking post Rocky, and right to highlight why it seems Kroenke stuck by his manager and his ethos during times when everyone was calling for a different approach.

    We are now reaping benefits, and the transfer league table that Irish posted yesterday should be a demonstration of why we should support our club, not used as a stick to beat it with as it will by some. They will say but look if we can be Top 4 every season by being tight why could we achieve if we spent, without seeing the hypocrisy.

  24. Illy and GLiC,

    Carpet Munchers? You’ll have to explain that a bit I’ve lead a very sheltered life.

  25. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    LG, ha ha ha, i think youve put them on the spot there.

  26. Eureka! I’ve just seen the light! It’s just come to me, Like tipping the velvet then?

  27. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    ha ha ha, ‘Eureka’ indeed LG.

  28. gunnern5 says:

    Through Kroenke Sports Enterprises he owns five professional U.S teams.

    Denver Nuggets of the NBA have won 7 division titles, 3 in the last 5 years and have never won the overall NBA championship.

    Colorado Rapids of the MSL have won just one MSL cup in 2010.

    Colorado Avalanche of the NHL have won eight division titles and have never won the Stanley Cup. They have won nothing in the past seven years.

    Colorado Mammoth of the NLL have won 3 division titles and one NLL cup and have won nothing in the past five years.

    St Louis Rams of the NFL won the Super bowl in 2000 and have won nothing in the past 9 years.

    The Rapids won the MSL Cup in 2010 , the Mammoth NLL cup in 2006 and the Rams won the Super Bowl in 2000, the Avalanche and the Nuggets have never won their respective championships.

    So in their entire history his teams have only won three championships and just one in the past 5 years – add Arsenal and it looks like a familiar story line.

  29. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I know what you mean G5, you can never trust a man who dons a syrup.

  30. SharkeySure says:

    Cracking piece of work Rocky..and I can only echo ETL’s 9.43

    ” isn’t he just the right owner for the proud Club of ours?”

    Amen

  31. TotalArsenal says:

    GLiC, thanks for explaining what a turfmuncher is 🙂 I thought it might be a Cornwall-award-winning, all-living-in, grass-mower – with a TV and a kettle in it, and a microwave – so you can eat your award-winning pies 😀

  32. SharkeySure says:

    On Santos…from my mate Kily.

    “He can look like a fat git that can’t run, but he does Billy…ok, at other times he looks like Denilson’s fatter, older brother, but he’s still going after 90 minutes which is bizarre yet brilliant.”

    He calls me Billy as in Billy Ocean…long story.

  33. 26may1989 says:

    GN5: The Colorado Avalanche have won the Stanley Cup twice, in 1996 and 2001, the latter being after Kroenke bought them.

  34. gooner lost in "award winning" cornwall says:

    Total, your welcome!. Off now for a 4 mile “award winning” run, followed by some raking up of some “award winning” leaf`s or is it leave`s. 🙂

  35. neamman says:

    I think that the management are waiting to see just how much bite the fair play rules have before considering shifting their approach. For those of you who say 6 years and counting.. consider Liverpool, Everton who in the 80s dominated yet have done little in the past 20 years..[ok Liverpools CL was a one off]. Consider Notts Forest and Aston Villa who won the CL in the 80s..where are they now? Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday ..teams who did not follow sound financial management. I would rather we go another 6 years trophyless as long as we are still in the top 4 – 6 teams than win everything one year and risk our future. Before Alex Ferguson MU had won nothing since the 60s and had even been relegated.
    I know it makes me sound like an old fart but older fans here have seen a time when Arsenal won nothing for 17 years.. and were not even challenging during that time. In the past 6 years we arguably have been challenging for at least 3 of them and should have won the title 3 years ago if not for the collapse after Eduardo’s horrififc injury.
    The period 1998 -2005 were a golden period in our history.. we will rise again.. but we need patience!!!

  36. SharkeySure says:

    Award winning comments there GLIC…..

    I love this site

  37. SharkeySure says:

    I love the betting of someone elses house on things as well. Classic

  38. 26may1989 says:

    @neamman 2.15pm

    Totally agree. And I’d go further: the achievement of staying at the top end of English football from 2004 to 2010, while building and financing a new stadium and while sugar daddy money came into the game in an unprecedented way, is at least equivalent to winning trophies in other times. We won a trophy (albeit jammily) in that run, with the 2005 FA Cup, and got to our first ever CL Final (10 minutes from victory etc). We had a couple of reasonable cracks at the title (2008 and 2010). And we got to a League Cup Final. And above all else, we stayed in the CL qaulification spots. All of that with no money to spend without sales being made first.

    I’d accept that money ceased to be a problem in mid-2010, once the debt burden was rescheduled and the property development exposure went away. But I just don’t accept this “six years of failure” line that gets trotted out. Of course mistakes have been made along the way, but that’s true of every club, including the ones that have picked up trophies in the last few years. Judged fairly and objectively, something that we’d never get from the sycophantic ignoramuses in the football media, Arsenal have achieved a hell of a lot since 2004.

    I live in hope that the club will be rewarded for its investments and its exemplary financial planning so that we can now find a way back to the glory days of 1998 to 2005 (the Abu Dhabi Government undermine my confidence).

  39. gunnern5 says:

    26m,

    You are correct about the Avalanche (poor research on my part) but it still remains that his teams, including Arsenal, have only won one major trophy in the past five years………….pretty sad.

  40. 26 05 1989,

    It’s the Abu Diaby glass legs that undermine my confidence Lol.

  41. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Neamman,

    Could not agree more. Thats why Arsenal are the greatest club, its called strategy. When you consider longevity we are the most succesful club in the world. The longest stay in the top flight (thank you Sir Henry Norris) the best average league placing over the last 100 years etc etc.

    The above is why Stan dosen’t intefere, he knows the Club is rock solid. when Arsenal have problems its just blips. The target is Man Utd, they generate more revenues and are currently more succesful but we will bridge the gap with them, Fair play will eventuly take care of City, if people dont think so they should look at Chelsea, there decline has just started.

    When the Board talk the Club up in terms of our finances and future, its not for show. You reap what you sow in life and we will be reaping very soon.

  42. SharkeySure says:

    “have only won one major trophy in the past five years………….pretty sad.”

    Whats so sad about that..?? For most teams in most Leagues its a helluva lot longer than that…but the stadiums are stil pretty full most weeks.

    Leeds were still getting 25k+ fans at Elland Road after two relegations, let alone 5 yrs without a trophy.

  43. 26may1989 says:

    GN5: I just stayed up very late to watch some of those 2001 Stanley Cup games (Avalanche vs New Jersey Devils), so felt I needed to deploy my hard-earned knowledge! It was an epic series that one (4-3 to the Avalanche).

    I’m not sure about championships as a measure of the owner. For one thing, how many multi-sports team owners are there like Kroenke to compare him with? The Glazers obviously, but then the Tampa Bay Bucs had only one the Superbowl once before they bought United. A
    More to the point, is it comparing like with like in terms of the records of the different teams in a sports portfolio, competing in unfamiliar competitions and even unfamiliar sports (lacrosse anyone?)? And then in North American sport, the impact of the draft system combined with the franchise system makes it virtually impossible to judge how well an owner would be equipped to deliver success (on and off the field) in the context of football in Europe.

    I’m not yet sure Kroenke is good for Arsenal, but what his other teams have and have not achieved doesn’t have much of an impact. Much more important is to see how he deals over time with the big judgments on running the club and finding the balance between supporting the manager and holding him to account.

  44. 26may1989 says:

    LG @ 2.58pm: 🙂

    But please, don’t mention D**by again, it only brings out the worst in me, something like some of the regulars on Le Grove!

  45. RockyLives says:

    Hello All and thanks for some great comments.

    Gn5 – valid points about the success (or relative lack of it of his other teams) but you have to take into account the context as well.

    In the NFL, for example, it’s much harder to win the Superbowl on a regular basis. The draft system helps ensure that it’s not like the EPL or La Liga, where a few rich clubs can sew up the trophies year after year.

    Since the EPL was formed in 1991/92 there have been only four teams who have been champions (Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Blackburn) and one of those, Blackburn, was a real one-off in an early example of ‘financial doping’.

    The NFL, by contrast, has had 13 different winners in that time, making winning it a much different proposition.

    In general in US sport, devices like salary caps and draft systems (where the worst performing teams in this season get first choice of the new talent for next season) tend to spread the silverware around a lot more.

  46. 26may1989 says:

    Rocky, snap! And belated thanks for another tip-top post. Did bourbon have anything to do with this one??

  47. RockyLives says:

    Haha 26
    Nope – back in Toronto now and definitely off the bourbon for a while (it make me rant 🙂 )

  48. 26may1989 says:

    Oh yeah, I forgot, Canadians don’t do booze! At least not since they kicked out those French types who ended up in Louisiana……

  49. gunnern5 says:

    Sharkey:

    So you advocate being a Leeds fan?

  50. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Nothing wrong with a good old rant Rocky, i do it even when ime sober.

    Just one more thing about Arsenals owners past and present. In all the time ive followed the club i am not aware of any dividends ever been taken by shareholders (Dont let us down Stan). This to me is often overlooked when some poeple think owners should plough some of there own money into the club. The point i am making is we have the perfect compromise, self sufficent with all monies generated ploughed back into the club.

    If by some miracle this approach does not procure trophies in the future, then so be it. I would rather we win nothing than sacrifice our traditions and ethics because of all clubs those priciples make Arsenal what they are and to lose them would be a tragedy.

  51. dandan says:

    Hands TMHT A bottle of Champers for his MOM comment @3:41 second Para.

  52. gunnern5 says:

    Rocky,

    Let’s not delude ourselves, Americans are in business for only one reason – to make more money that they invested, in the shortest time possible. Unless you have worked for them, at an executive level, you could not possibly understand just how ruthless they are, only one thing talks – profit.

    Are we to believe that Kroenke, loves the sports of Ice Hockey, Football, Soccer, Basketball and Lacrosse – I think not, they are investments and he will love them as long as they return a profit.

    The point I am making with his teams lack of trophies is that it may well be that he invests the minimum to keep his teams competitive and not the maximum to make them winners.

    Being the deep rooted fans that we are and by him investing the minimum it’s like we are seduced into maintaining our support, and his cash flow, on the premise that we are in with a shot, when realistically we only have a wish and a hope.

  53. gunnern5 says:

    TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    November 7, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    If by some miracle this approach does not procure trophies in the future, then so be it. I would rather we win nothing than sacrifice our traditions and ethics because of all clubs those principles make Arsenal what they are and to lose them would be a tragedy.

    ………………………………………………………………………………………

    Terry,

    The future is endless, does this mean you will be happy to never win a trophy again just to maintain the status quo?

    Our past practices were just as likely borne out of necessaty than they were out of principles.

    i would never be happy to maintain the status quo at the expense of never winning anything. I cannot even conceive what it would feel like to go into a season thinking,

    ” I accept we will not win anything because we have priciples”?

  54. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi G5, it is more like: “I accept we are not guaranteed to win something, but by sticking to our principles and philosophy of football, once again – despite the odds – we have a decent chance to do so this season”

  55. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    G5,

    We will win things, and soon. I am proud of our traditions and it is exactly why we hold these virtues that the trophies will come again. When the name Arsenal is uttered in football parlours it signifys success, class, tradition and respect.

  56. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rocky, 🙂

    Usual standards applied to your interesting, observational Post. Thanks. 🙂

    Not sure I particularly want to get involved in this discussion as anything said, so far, seems to divide opinion into;
    (a) those who support Kroenke (the owner) who by virtue of this seem to claim the moral high ground, and;
    (b) those who question his financial objectives who by definition are deemed not to occupy the moral high ground.

    For those devoted Gooners who feel it right to examine the motives of the current custodian of the club, or indeed any future owner, this is an invidious position to be put in.

    For what it is worth :-
    — When I became hooked on the Gunners as a child, I did not know or care about the then owners. I loved the team and all that meant!

    — I love and support Arsenal, the club, as a separate entity, by which I mean the manager and the team.

    — If the owner (current or future) remains a good and proper custodian of the club, and its ethos, whilst they are its guardians, and place the interests and the hopes of the true “owners” – the fans – at the forefront of their plans, they will have my passive support.
    If not — I will not!

    Sacrilege, eh?

    I’d better get TMHT’s coat! 🙂

  57. gunnern5 says:

    TA,

    That is closer to my way of thinking but still makes it sound like winning is a remote possibility.

    I’ve never been an advocate of winning trophies regardless of the cost but I hate the no hope feeling. You see in my lifetime I’ve experienced over 20 seasons where we had no hope and believe me there is nothing quite so depressing.

  58. Red Arse says:

    GN5,

    I do not want you to fall over with the shock, but I actually agree with a lot of what you have said.

    In a recent interview Mr Kroenke praised the Glazers and commended their stewardship of Manure, and went on to say that they deserved to receive credit for their achievements, and that Americans see things rather differently from the British.
    He made special mention of the fact that there was nothing wrong with owners taking (profits) out of their investments in sports franchises (including football clubs).

    He is right – in so far as business men are not inherently altruistic and are not given to investing without a return.
    What will be the reaction of the fans do you think when he eventually and inevitably starts to put his capitalistic beliefs into practice?

  59. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    RA, sounds good to me.

    G5, i think if you look at some of my past posts you will find that in no way do i think that winning is a remote possibility.

    Arsenals virtues will not see us pounded to the floor. They will be the springboard to success that the club has not experienced since the 1930’s.

  60. Double98 says:

    TMHT – and that is worth more than all the premier leagues that money can buy.

    Man City used to be my second team…

  61. gooner lost in "award winning" cornwall says:

    Think of them poor Spuds down the road, they have spent close to £232M in the last decade ( @ Irish, 5:29pm yesterday ), what have they got to show, as I said yesterday, not even half a new stadium, just one “award winning” CC, and one CL spot, haven`t they spent their money well.
    Oh and just in case you`re wondering , we made £4M in the same time. Doesn`t your heart blead for them . 😆

  62. RockyLives says:

    Hi Redders
    I have no problem with Stan (or any owner) wanting to make a profit from his investment – and I certainly don’t think that most sports business owners are in it for philanthropical reasons. I’m glad that Stan has stressed that he’s in it for the long haul.

    Success for Arsenal on the pitch will increase the value of the club, making Stan’s investment worth more. I can’t see why he wouldn’t want to achieve that and I would expect him to ensure the resources are available for us to compete.

    What makes it difficult is when you’re up against vanity owners who don’t feel the need to abide by any financial constraints (Chelsea in recent years and Man City now).

    If any Arsenal fan wants owners who play the vanity game and are willing to pour hundreds of millions of their own cash into the club in such a way that they will never get a proper return on it, that’s fine. That’s their prerogative.

    It’s not the way I want my club to be run (and it may also be fraught with risk in the long term) but each to their own.

    In any case, that amazing chart that shows Arsenal pretty much bottom of the spending league in the last 5 (or was it 10?) years proves that there is not necessarily a correlation between expenditure and success.

    Almost all the EPL clubs have spent more than us in the transfer market, and achieved significantly less.

  63. TotalArsenal says:

    G5, you have always said that winning trophies is not a must for you, but that you do not want us to become mediocre, and lose hope to win something. So, I respect your point of view.

    I think there is no reason to believe that winning something has become a remote possibility, and ‘knowing’ you a bit, I don’t think you believe that either.

    The club has made a shift this season. We replaced Nasri like for like with Gervinho, we added experience to our defence (Santos and BFG) and midfield (Arteta and Benny) and we stuck to the philosophy of bringing through our home grown talents (Gibbs, Ramsey, Wilshire, Theo, Frimmpong, etc), and we brought in new talent (Jenkinson, Ryo and the Ox). It is only early days, and we all had to endure a very difficult start of the season, but I really believe we have a better balance to this team now. Only slight worry is our central attacking options, but the January TW could give us an opportunity to complete the jigsaw, if it turns out that both Park and Chamakh – for diffirent reasons – are no more/not yet up for it. I can see us going on a long run of good results, in which we proof more and more that we are hard to beat. Especially in the cup competitions this could lead to success, even as early as this year.

  64. gunnern5 says:

    TA,

    The new signings have been a very pleasant surprise, Gervinho seems to be the cream of the crop with Arteta not far behind, I see Santos and BFG more as utility players than our future. Park-Young is yet to come out of his shell so is still an unknown.

    As always, we have great potential in our youngsters and they could well make the difference for us in the future.

    I am not without hope but I most certainly feel like we are now an EPL second tier club who are fighting for fourth spot along with, Spurs, Liverpool and now Newcastle. Previously we were a top four club with every hope of winning the EPL whereas now our most realistic hope is fourth.

    The CL is a no hope situation, the CC could be over in the next round which leaves are only possible hope of winning anything being the FA Cup.

    That is why I think we are currently nothing more than a wish and hope club – with potential………………..

  65. Red Arse says:

    Rocky,

    I did not find anything in your comment at 5:01 with which I disagreed.

    I have absolutely no time for any of the egotistical ‘power’ owners such as Abramovich, the Glazers, the Abu Dhabi Government (with a nod to 26) or any others like them.
    I fact, I heard today that Hibernian’s owner Romanov has become bored with his toy club and wants to sell it, (good riddance) which rather demonstrates the point of all of us who hate this corruption of football ownership and its short term nature.

    It is inarguably true, that Arsenal’s financial model should be ‘de rigeur’ for all clubs, and this is surely recognised by the attempt to institute the FFP rules, allowing all clubs an equal and level playing field.
    Alas I do not hold out much hope of it succeeding in the face of so many powerful vested interests.

    My point, perhaps badly explained earlier, is that my support and love of Arsenal, and that of many other fans, is not inextricably linked with the unquestioning support or ‘love’ of any particular owner.
    They are business men — I am a fan.

    Over the years, the contemporary owners of Arsenal have frequently bought and sold their shares, from the time of the late Sir Henry Norris through to and including Kroenke, and this will no doubt occur again in the future when he, like the previous owners, senses it is in his best interests to do so.

    I bet he does not ask my opinion, as a fan! 🙂

  66. gooner lost in "award winning" cornwall says:

    Just realized no game until the 19th, what will we do ?. 😦

  67. Double98 says:

    gN5 – The CL is no hope? The CC could be over in the next round? The EPL is hopeless?

    you speak of one of the form teams in europe with a current record since august 31st of w10 d2 l2.
    We have just trounced Chelsea in their home and our team is getting better week on week.

    how many times have we been the best thing since sliced bread at this stage of the season only to hit a bleak november and stumble through the final lap in april?
    i think we’ll be back in the top 3 by christmas.. i think we’ll qualify for the knock out stages as winners and then get an easy team..
    the cc may come to soon but what about it..
    ITS EASY TO SUPPORT A TEAM THAT IS WINNING EVERY YEAR..
    Ipswich Fans hoped they’d bloody our noses last year and they nearly did –
    thats what we are and what we did to chelsea.. that result will be on man city’s ill gotten money minds
    and i’ll say it again – we are getting better –

  68. Red Arse says:

    GLIC, 🙂

    Debate …….. argue …….. discuss! 🙂

  69. Red Arse says:

    D98, well said. 🙂

    It is more likely that we will continue to improve and win something, than it is for Newcastle to stay in the top 3.

    It is far too early in the season to form any firm conclusions, for any club. We will shock many before the season is out.

  70. evonne says:

    SS @ 3:03 – top comment!

  71. gunnern5 says:

    Double98,

    ITS EASY TO SUPPORT A TEAM THAT IS WINNING EVERY YEAR..

    …………………………………………………………………………………………

    If that sentence was meant for me then I feel a need to fill in a void in your knowledge.

    I have supported Arsenal since 1947 and next year will be my 65th year of full and total support for the Arsenal – whether we have won, lost were good bad or indifferent has never altered that fact..

  72. Red Arse says:

    GN5,

    The converse of the capitalized quote by D98 is that;
    “it is a bloody sight more difficult to support a team that has not won for years”;
    and you have clearly had your fair share of that over the years ….. so credit to you, a true fan — and to anyone else to whom it applies ! 🙂

  73. Red Arse says:

    Well, no one wants to play with me ….. so nite, nite.

  74. LB says:

    Back to football

    I noticed one of TA’s comments: we have replaced like for like with Gervinho and Na$ri.

    Well if you think about it we may have actually improved on it because the greedy french bastard (TGFB) was not happy playing out on the wing whereas Gervinho suits it perfectly.

  75. gooner lost in "award winning" cornwall says:

    RA,
    Debate…argue…discuss, It`s lucky we have this internetthingybob, otherwise we would all go loopy and end up sharing a cell with Terry Mancini wearing red and white Mankini`s in a jacuzzi !.
    “Terry Mancini and his Red and White Mankini`s”

  76. dandan says:

    Red Arse far from being down or depressed in the barren years, my mates and I still fought our corner in the pub and cricket club bar Thursday nights and weekends.. We looked forward with excitement to the walk each week from the chippy to that wonderful white edifice that was the joy of our collective social life
    As one who has stayed at and ate in many of the best hotels/restaurants in the world, I still regard my large cod and chips picked with my burning fingers on that short walk as the nectar of the gods. That followed by a hot Bovril and the Arse win lose or draw, was to me the reality check against the illusions of the high powered corporate life both American and Japanese that occupied the rest of my life for 40 years.
    Depression no I don’t know what that is football wise, I am a gooner and that makes me special, why would i be depressed.?

  77. 26may1989 says:

    GN5

    Analytically, you’re right, we’re as far away from winning silverware now as we have been since before George Graham became manager. But we all know the only reason for that: money, both in terms of the diversion of resources with a period of investing in our own infrastructure and of the sugar daddies in massively skewing the market and the sporting competition by the anti-competitive, anti-business, unsustainable spending of other people’s resources.

    I get wound up when I think the club hasn’t used the resources it has available, but that isn’t really the point when we look at the big picture. If we’re honest about all this, Chelsea and now the Abu Dhabi Government are proving that money (at least huge quantities of it) works.

    But would we want the situation at Arsenal to be any different? Some do, obviously, but I’m not one. I feel lucky to have seen Arsenal become a pre-eminent and stylish team off the back of coaching brilliance and win so many trophies along the way that it virtually became thought of as our birth right. I am especially pleased to see Arsenal today discussed in the same breath as the titans of European football. I might slag off the club for any number of reasons but the fact the competition has been stunted for the last 7 or 8 years, and that will only get worse, is not something I’m going to use as a means to have a go at the club.

    We had a chance to win the title last season, and I will always feel bitter that the players on the field in those last ten games gave up that chance so abjectly, even managing to fritter away 2nd and 3rd places. But I don’t feel that depressed about not having much chance of winning any silverware for the next few years; I accept that as being the natural consequence of the cheating of others. I’ll be happy if my team does as well as it can based on a genuinely sporting, sustainable financial model. And if by some fluke we manage to win a pot along the way, I will treat be ecstatic, knowing that whatever the Abu Dhabi Government and Chelsea have bought along the way deserves absolutely no respect at all.

  78. harry says:

    Rocky, Smart post about a Smart Bloke owning a Smart Club, run by a Smart Manager, underpinned by some Smart Principles, supported by some very Smart fans……..

  79. 26may1989 says:

    Speak for yourself Harry……. 🙂

  80. gooner lost in "award winning" cornwall says:

    Some great comments after my 6:17pm, Just wish I could write such sense !, then again my wife`s been waiting 35 years and counting to get any sense out of me ! 🙂

  81. harry says:

    TA, saw your question from last night……….

    I’ll get Peaches to email me your email address and converse via that………..

  82. harry says:

    Lol, 26 I was thinking of you, Rocky and Red Arse…………….

  83. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    When we win the champions league i shall breakout out of my straight jacket, don my red and white mankini, and run the length of Tottenham High Road screaming out “Cornwall” as i go, and all this whilst evading the muggers and assorted authorities.

  84. Big Raddy says:

    26 6.29. That is a top comment and worthy of a post.

    RL. Thank you for another splendid read.

    TMHT. 6.49. Looking forward to it …

  85. TotalArsenal says:

    LB 🙂

    TGFB –> Tres Grand Fat Bottom

  86. Irishgunner says:

    Evening guys, this just popped up on Twitter

    JackWilshere Jack Wilshere
    Good news with my x-ray update you all later!
    2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

  87. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Terry,
    If we win it, I shall join you ! 😆

  88. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rocky,
    Another excellent thought provoker as underlined by the comments section. Still, that’s what you are not paid to do I suppose.
    Thank you.

  89. Big Raddy says:

    GLIC. If you are prepared to do it so will I.

    Where does one buy an AFC mankini because this is our season?

  90. TotalArsenal says:

    DanDan, do you live in Cornwall too?

    ” I still regard my large cod and chips picked with my burning fingers on that short walk as the nectar of the gods. That followed by a hot Bovril and the Arse win lose or draw, was to me the reality check against the illusions of the high powered corporate life both American and Japanese that occupied the rest of my life for 40 years”

    That is an award-winning comment! Socrates has spoken 😛

  91. TotalArsenal says:

    Cheers Harry, that would be great!

  92. MickyDidIt89 says:

    dandan,
    I have neither stayed in the worlds’ best hotels or eaten in its finest restaurants. I have also led a low pressured non-corporate life in neither the US or Japan and yet I agree with you. Weird huh?

  93. MickyDidIt89 says:

    TA,
    I have a feeling that dandan, like GiE, live alongside the dykes in Norfolk.

  94. MickyDidIt89 says:

    BR,
    You get hold of your briefest AFC thong and pull very hard indeed 😦

  95. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Raddy,
    I think AFC mankini`s could be 2012`s best seller.
    Arsenal Shop, hope your reading this, get sowing !

  96. TotalArsenal says:

    I would have spotted him Micky – as I am stuck with my finger in one of them 🙂

  97. RockyLives says:

    Thanks for some kind compliments.

    Love the mankini thing (or should I say ‘thong’).

    I can see that the next AA gathering at the Tavern is going to cause quite a stir…

  98. RockyLives says:

    TA
    Your finger is stuck in a mankini?

    Whose?

  99. harry says:

    I think we will save the Mankini gathering till your appearance Rocky!!

    When are you due over, GIE was saying your over for Fulham / Dortmund?

  100. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Jeepers TA,
    A thong or a dyke?

  101. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rocky,
    Yakety Yank 🙂

  102. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi G5, you can see why we are different people with your comment:

    “The CL is a no hope situation, the CC could be over in the next round which leaves are only possible hope of winning anything being the FA Cup.

    That is why I think we are currently nothing more than a wish and hope club – with potential………………..”

    Some people – in business especially – like to stick to the principle of ‘under-promising and over-delivering’ and I guess some fans like to stick to the principle of ‘under-expecting and hoping to be proved wrong later’. The latter seems to be you, but it is not me. Of course it will be hard to win the CL but that goes for every team, except maybe two. The CC could be over, of course, but we are The Arsenal and will show MC who is boss at the Emirates. I think your approach is the more healthy in the long run though! 🙂

  103. RockyLives says:

    Micky
    …don’t talk back 🙂

    harry
    Hoping to be over for the Dortmund and Fulham games 🙂

  104. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Tracking back a bit to the discussion about expectations. Unless we think its nailed on that City will do the domestic treble, then surely we have a good chance of silverware.

  105. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rocky 🙂

  106. TotalArsenal says:

    RL, Micky, 😛 😛

  107. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Look lads, its not good just sitting here all night “smilying” at each other!

  108. Big Raddy says:

    Silverware? Nailed on this season. Arteta joined to pick up a trophy and he will not be disappointed.

    Dare you say otherwise?

    Could Mrs. Raddy knit a Mankini?

  109. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    I think a load of AAers running down Tottenham High Rd with AFC “syrup`s, AFC mankini`s and “award winning” AFC cod pieces will push the spuds over the limit, they will move out of London altogether !. 🙂

  110. RockyLives says:

    I feel very positive about our prospects this year, but given the self-imposed handicap we started with in the EPL, I feel that the cups are our best bet for silverware this year, with a proper tilt at the League Title next year.

    And I certainly wouldn’t rule us out of the running in either the CC or the CL.

  111. dandan says:

    Micky. You are nearly Right I do indeed live in the Fens but not in Norfolk..

    Although I was born in East London and brought up, in the village that now houses Victoria and Davids mansion.

    TA so great is my love for the fish and chips, that each week my friend and I do a 25 mile each way drive to a Chppy in Wisbech, whose offering is also of a high quality for lunch.

    Actually i was once asked by a polestar many years ago when it was the fashion, what would iI choose to do iif the four minute nuclear warning went off, I replied sit with my family at Highbury and eat fish and chips whilst watching the Arse,

    The alternative of course back then, was to bend down put your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye. 🙂

  112. MickyDidIt89 says:

    dandan,
    Bloke A: “Two minutes to live, what do you do?”
    Bloke B: “Shag the nearest thing that moves. And you?”
    Bloke A: “Keep very still”

  113. TotalArsenal says:

    Dandan, Wisbech is the middle of fricking nowhere. That must be a hell of a good chippy!

  114. dandan says:

    LOL love it Micky 🙂

  115. TotalArsenal says:

    BR, that is the spirit!

  116. dandan says:

    Indeed it is. TA Does Cod, Haddock and Plaice fresh each day and at a price that makes you feel you are robing them.

    Will see if I can find a link.

  117. Irishgunner says:

    Mankinis!!!

    I will remind ye all when we win a trophy this season 😆 I’ll bring me camera

  118. SharkeySure says:

    I’ve just watched this

    and read a report stating that Kozzer was MoM on Sat. not Jenks, or Arteta, or Robin with his goal and two assists.

    Its like last weekend at Chelsea…4 or more possibles for MoM. I’m loving it.

    Credit where its due:
    http://www.ashburtongrove.co.uk/2011/11/van-persie-takes-plaudits-but-koscielny.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AshburtonGrove+%28AshburtonGrove.co.uk%29

  119. MickyDidIt89 says:

    In the words of Big Raddy, fish to cook.
    Goodnight.

  120. Fish and chips!

    Mankinis!

    I go out to work and come back and find you all chit chatting like a bunch of girls 😆

  121. SharkeySure says:

    4 or more candidates for MoM, most others on 8 out of 10.

    Luverly jubberly !!

  122. SharkeySure says:

    DanDan – I reckon thats as much about the drive and quality time with an old pal, as it is about the fish and chips !

  123. SharkeySure says:

    “gunnern5 says:
    November 7, 2011 at 3:41 pm
    Sharkey:

    So you advocate being a Leeds fan?”
    ————————————————-

    Lol. Is that really all you took from my comment..??

  124. This is really funny from twitter

    Abdul_AZ Abdul Azeez Zain
    by ladyarse
    Thomas Vermaelen is only 3 Premier League goals behind Luka Modric despite playing 40 games compared to Modric’s 100.

  125. dandan says:

    SS This particular guy had a heart and lung transplant, thirteen years ago and is still chugging along, he is my computer Guru,so do enjoy time with him. but we could get plenty of stuff localy but this place is special. and always heaving whatever time you go.

    Large Cod chips and mushy peas
    Plaice chips and peas.
    Pot of tea for two.

    Under £12 how does that sound.

  126. Anyone know an official twitter account for Koscielny – I think he needs to feel the love.

  127. Irishgunner says:

    I see someone is getting addicted to Twitter 😆

  128. LB says:

    What is all this bollacks about not winning the CL, why the f…..k not?

    COYRRG

  129. critic says:

    Arsenal is not a mean through which i gratify myself on winning a trophy, it’s part of my life now.

  130. TotalArsenal says:

    DanDan, that is a bargain! Don’t mention the carbon footprint (I almost wrote foodprint!) 🙂

  131. Hi Irish – not quite addicted but my daughters band often announce things on twitter that I wouldn’t otherwise know about so I always check in at some point in the day – groupiemother 🙂

    I’m with LB – if we get a good draw in the last 16 there’s no reason why not 🙂

  132. TotalArsenal says:

    Sharkey, I read that article earlier today and enjoyed it too!

  133. chas says:

    You’re in luck, boys!
    This is fresh in at the club shop..

    http://twitpic.com/7bvvyp/full

  134. Irishgunner says:

    Twitter is very addictive and actual celebs use it ha ha

    So far Lady Gaga’s ex-boyfriend and choreographer have tweeted me, but the biatch herself won’t even follow me.

    I’ve had a few brief conversations with Frimpong on it. The young Arsenal players are proper Gooners. Bobby Pires has also joined recently. Seaman, Romford Pele are all on it as well.

  135. TotalArsenal says:

    Bang, Bang, Shoot, Shoot, excellent Chas, very SMART! 🙂

  136. evonne says:

    No footy for 2 weeks, so i hope that nobody will mind change of subject? Soz 🙂

    LB and 6;15 – the greedy french bastard (TGFB) or greedy FAT french bastard GFFB 🙂

    Micky @ 7:30 – very good

    Irish – your Lady Gaga did well last nigth!

    Peaches – still have your scarf

    Chas – how old are you?

    Micky – bought some Trifle oil from Waitrose. Can I use it in salads?

  137. evonne says:

    Chas – just seen that picture, that is gross…..yuk

  138. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    chas ,
    Nothing more than I expected from you, Lads, get your orders in before 19th May or you`ll be disappointed. Stan could have worn a AFC syrup though ! 🙂

  139. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Looks like one of the “award winning “beaches in Cornwall !

  140. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    evonne,
    Does that mean you wont go to the Tavern, when all the AAers turn up in their mankini`s ! 😆

  141. evonne says:

    Glic – I might 🙂 All of them are a good looking bunch, I wonder who’s going to look best in a mankini??? Mmmmmmm….26may ?

  142. TotalArsenal says:

    GLiC 😛

  143. evonne says:

    TA – I’m sure you’d look good in such outfit too 🙂 Would your handsome father-in-law wear one?

  144. SharkeySure says:

    DanDan…Cnnfirned. It really does sound like two blokes happy to get away for an afternoon 😉

    All jokes aside its good to hear about a bit of good old customer satisfaction, and it sounds like the locals and many others are fully appreciative.

    You do know that f it was in Cornwall it would be ‘award winning’ don’t you.

  145. evonne says:

    Harry already has a mankini and wears it around the house on weekends

  146. SharkeySure says:

    Jut as I hit submit…I see Cornwall’s ref to award winning. Honestly, I hadn’t seen it til then.

    I’ll go read up on what it was ‘this time’….

  147. VCC says:

    chas 8:20. I’ll have a red one and yellow one please. The XXXL model.

  148. dandan says:

    Interesting…… Arsenal now fourth fav for premier league ahead of spurs and Liverpool amazing how times change a month ago they wouldnt give us a prayer

  149. evonne says:

    Dandan – really?? Excellent! I am glad I didn’t throw away the betting slip – Arsenal to win EPL placed by yours truly in July 🙂

  150. VCC says:

    What odds did you get evonne?

  151. Big Raddy says:

    Would I be right in thinking we have yet to win an away fixture wearing the blue kit?

    If so, time to change that at Norwich.

  152. harry says:

    Evonne, how many times have i told you when we have our secret get togethers, dont tell anyone about the mankini fetish you have…..

    Tell anyone else and I will stop wearing it for you whilst I am dusting your bedroom…….!!

  153. Just a little suggestion that you may like to add your signature to this worthy petition:

    http://t.co/3O4l8EHR

    No public funding for Spuds stadium. Get signing 😉

  154. VCC says:

    GiE = done

  155. evonne says:

    Harry – sorry darling

    VCC – 15 to 2 🙂 Oh well, I have been doing it almost every year. Only once I won (a large sum of money) when I backed the Chavs to win. But I spent it all on Arsenal, promise

  156. harry says:

    GIE – Done

  157. Big Raddy says:

    harry. Did you find 26 in the wardrobe or had he left prior to your arrival?

  158. Big Raddy says:

    done

  159. evonne says:

    GiE – done, my son and ex signed it too 🙂

  160. harry says:

    Raddy, I did wonder what that noise under the bed was!!! 26 you little tinker……..

  161. TotalArsenal says:

    Evonne 🙂 I don’t really want to think what my FIL would look like in a mankini!

    But I am sure, your assertion that 26Maykini would be the most attractive in such attire, is not to be argued with. You have an eye for it 😉

    England and Holland teams will stay in Krakow during the European Championships, possibly joined by the Italians (announced today).

  162. dandan says:

    Done

  163. chas says:

    I’ve signed it.
    Did we get any public funding? I thought it was the opposite and we had to pay for infrastructure improvements.

    Evonne, I’m as old as my tongue and a little older than my teeth.

    Harry, the image I’ve had imprinted on my mind of you bending over in a mankini dusting Evonne’s skirting boards will probably give me nightmares.

  164. SharkeySure says:

    Big Raddy says:
    November 7, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    26 6.29. That is a top comment and worthy of a post.
    ——————————————-
    I’d like to echo that sentiment…and add that its one of so many very good comments today.

    Do any other Arse blogs even come close..??

  165. harry says:

    Sorry Chas, I am still chuckling at your face……

  166. harry says:

    sharkey, the answer to your question is a resounding NO…….

  167. harry says:

    This site is quality and the people on here are genuine and decent folk……….

  168. TotalArsenal says:

    Harry, we have not had a Arsenal poem from you for ages. What(who?) is draining your creative juices?

  169. RockyLives says:

    DONE – can we forward the petition to other Arsenal Blog Sites (or perhaps mention it at the end of tomorrow’s post)?

    Please all sign this petition too:

    http://t.co.mankinisforallgooners.com

    Thanks – it’s a worthy cause.

  170. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    What kind of jest is this? using our tax money to fund there silly ground? If it happens i will don my Martin Keown mask and hound and stalk those resposible to the point were the word hotspurs fills them with horror and dread.

  171. 26may1989 says:

    OK, what the hell has been going on?? Mankini madness I say….!

    Sharkey, you mentioned you (or rather your alternative persona, Naija Soccer I think) had posted something suitably robust on Le Grove. So, being the impressionable type that I am, I went over and had a little look-see. I’ve never seen the appeal of Le G but thought I’d actually go through a whole day’s posts to see what I thought.

    And bloody hell, it is absolutely rancid over there. I know AA owes its existence to Le G, since the founders all “met” over there. But in my naive state, I am staggered that anyone would give a rat’s arse (let alone the Mighty Arse) about that site. It’s bad enough that the MO of quite a few there is intolerant, ill-informed, hyperbolic, abusive bullying, but it takes the biscuit to see that those who organise the site actually encourage the worst specimens to go after those who have the temerity to express an opinion that doesn’t involve insulting Arsene Wenger.

    Sorry, I have so much time for those here, but I’d sooner have dinner with Mark Lawrenson, Richard Keyes, Tony Pulis and Graham Poll than spend any time on Le Grove.

  172. harry says:

    Wenger’s transfers were on slow,
    as the star players so did go.

    At old trafford the gooners were in pain,
    All thought wenger had gone insane……..

    Give him the sack,
    Gooners wanted their arsenal back.

    But wenger stood firm, with his cash,
    on some stars he did splash…….

    Its took some time,
    but soon the team started to climb…

    Not my best, but just to keep u happy TA………..

  173. LB says:

    Just a smidgen more history, the owners of Le Grove and some of the original people over here blogged together on “Lower East” before any of the afore mentioned sites came into existence.

  174. Evening all, haven’t been around much today to debate.

    Like others I have never cared who owned the shares in our club. But I have cared about how it has been run.

    There is one word that many have used to describe Arsenal and it still fits perfectly today…..”class”

  175. kelseyk says:

    LG is a bit like Florida. Everything is 80 . The temperature, the average age(dementure) and the I.Q.

  176. Morning all

    Lets keep this going

    Gooner In Exile says:
    November 7, 2011 at 9:53 pm (Edit)

    Just a little suggestion that you may like to add your signature to this worthy petition:

    http://t.co/3O4l8EHR

    No public funding for Spuds stadium. Get signing 😉

  177. I’m trusting someone to add it to todays comments, not sure Rasp will have time to add it to the post.

  178. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas,
    An utterly horrific image that may haunt me today 🙂

  179. evonne says:

    Micky – so what about that trifle oil from Waitrose – what do I use it for?? Ok for salads?

  180. kelsey says:

    Morning all.

    I didn’t join the debate on yet another excellent post by RL, for a number of reasons.
    I understand business in most forms especially in the UK and the ultimate aim is to make a profit on one’s investment and there aren’t many bigger clubs in status and worth than Arsenal.

    However the American concept is something I can’t quite grasp and if you you take it at face value there is no doubt that Kroenke and the people he has chosen to represent him at our club are in it for the long haul.

    dandan especially, quite rightly has highlighted the near depression we are facing especially in Europe yet the American economy is nowhere near coming out of recession on top of this.
    Many fans of numerous clubs that I talk to, dismiss or don’t want to understand the finances of their particular club and just want to concentrate on results week by week, not looking at the bigger piture.

    I still feel uncomfortable with kroenke being the major share holder as much as i definitely wouldn’t want usmanov to be in total control either.Words are cheap and none of us really know his(usmanov) true intentions.
    remember the ageing PHW said a year before Kroenke was elected to the Board that “i don’t want your kind here”.Fiszman and Lady nina mada a decision to sell to kroenke,but i wonder if they sold to him not because they thought he would be the best option to take the club forward but in fact just to stop Usmanov getting a majority share holding.
    I am not an accountant or high up in finance but I do feel that as a club we could be a bit more adventurous in signing one or two quality players, by releasing several unwanted players and thereby cutting the wage bill and bringing in one or at the most two quality players.

    We are a second tier club only by the fact that in monetary terms we can’t compete at the moment with three other clubs.
    The mood has lifted tremendously with a great string of results and the potential to improve is even greater and baring further injuries we should have a pretty good season.

    In a strange sort of way i have an uneasy feeling about Kroenke but a total distrust of usmanov.

    That is how I see it.

  181. evonne says:

    RiP Smokin Joe, only 67

  182. Illybongani says:

    Evonne – sounds like it would be lovely drizzled over jelly, ice cream and a nice sponge base

  183. Red Arse says:

    Morning all you good people, 🙂

    Actually, I will be lodging an official complaint with the authorities (P&R) later today!

    No one was available to play when I finished work, then you all pop out and have a great time afterwards talking about hiding under the beds (Harry, 26, you devils) and parading around in your ‘mankinies’ – what the hell are they – damn, you were all buzzing!! 🙂

    I am hoping to get to one of the “Rocky” games – maybe Fulham – and will also try and convince my large and boisterous friends that they can copiously imbibe at the Tavern pre-prandials. 🙂

    Dandan, loved your evocative ‘fish and chips’ comment — altho’ it seemed, predictably, to be in response to something I did not actually say – [down? depressed?] – I never, at any time, mentioned those words or that psychological state – but no matter.

  184. The definition of Smart/Intelligent:

    Gervinho (£11m) 2 goals, 5 assists
    A.Young (£16m) 2 goals, 5 assists
    J.Mata (£24m) 2 goals, 4 assists
    Downing (£20m) 0 goals, 0 assists

  185. Illybongani says:

    Quick! Everyone hide…Red Arse is here!

  186. Red Arse says:

    Evonne,

    Do you really mean ‘trifle’ oil? — what’s that? — or did you mean ‘truffle’ oil? 🙂

    My girlfriend flips her lid over the ‘sexy’ smell of truffles. (probably because they are so expensive), anyway it – the oil – can be drizzled sparingly over many savoury dishes, but don’t waste it!! 🙂

  187. Red Arse says:

    I saw that, Illy, 🙂

    You weren’t frigging around in a mancini under the bed with 26 and Harry too, were you, while you should have been here conversing with me? 🙂

  188. Illybongani says:

    Damn, he’s seen me…act like you didn’t know he was here

  189. evonne says:

    RA – yes, that’s the one – truffle – I never cook, so I was hoping it would improve the taste of salads

  190. Illybongani says:

    evonne – give this a look
    http://www.truffle-oil.com/recipe.asp
    …but give me a splash of Spry Crisp and Dry any day!

  191. Evonne nothing improves the taste of salad like pushing it to one side and replacing it with a good portion of meat and potatoes. 😉 call me old fashioned.

  192. TotalArsenal says:

    Harry, wow that was quick! 🙂 You captured the essence of our season so far really well. Thank you (only just read your poem).

  193. dandan says:

    RA I will have to get the hang of this blogging thing, I have a habbit of addressing my post to someone, that does not mean you have said it, just that you have read it and are part of the conversation.
    But I will be more careful in future.

  194. evonne says:

    GiE – my sentiments exactly 🙂

    Illy – thank you, will do

  195. dandan says:

    Kelsey Re your 8.05
    I think you are right in that the directors were/are running an ABU policy.

    ABU = Anyone but Usmanov

  196. Rasp says:

    Morning all,

    New post ……….

  197. Paul Churchill says:

    No public funding for Tottenham Hotspurs’ planned redevelopment. Sign up to save public money: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14605

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