Are Teams Starting To Fear Arsenal Again?

One of the saddest effects of our poor form during 2011 has been seeing how lesser teams no longer fear us.

The psychological advantage of having most opponents assume they would get nothing out of playing us has been whittled away by a series of unfortunate events.

Throwing away a four goal lead at Newcastle; losing to relegation-bound Birmingham in the Carling Cup Final; league defeats to the likes of West Brom, Stoke and Bolton:

All these and more have turned our shiny armour of invincibility into a tattered and battered old coat of rusty chain mail, pock-marked with holes.

Do you remember how it used to be?

From Arsène Wenger’s first Double-winning side right through to the best free-flowing days of the ‘Fabregas era’, most other teams were terrified of playing us.

They would look at the fixture list for the following weekend, see that they were up against The Arsenal and immediately go weak at the knees.

On match days, as they lined up in the tunnel alongside the likes of Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Vieira, Adams, Bould, Campbell, Seaman, Keown, Ljungberg, Overmars, Lehmann, Fabregas, opposition players would have involuntary wee-wee incidents in their shorts.

It is rumoured that some managers had to use a cattle prod to get their players out of the safety of the dressing room when we were in town.

And I have it on good authority that at least two EPL clubs considered switching to brown shorts precisely to avoid the embarrassment of having what you might call “fear stains” on display.

Any sports psychologist will tell you that if you can win the battle in the mind, you will win it on the field of play.

We used to be so good at getting inside our opponents’ heads that most teams were beaten before they walked onto the pitch – you could see it in their eyes (and their shorts).

Lately only the Manchester branch of Surrey United have had that aura, although their own grip on the Fear Factor may take some time to recover after the humiliation at the hands of their lottery-winning neighbours.

Indeed it is the Sky Blue half of Manchester that can now truly be said to make opponents quake at the mere prospect of playing them.

So, having lost our fearsomeness, can we regain it?

I believe the answer is ‘yes’ – and, further, that we have already made some encouraging baby steps on the path to once again being truly dreaded by the opposition.

Crucial to our ability to inspire terror is one man. You won’t be surprised to know I’m referring to our very own Prince of Strikers, Robin van Persie.

Mid-to-low ranking teams usually set out with a game plan to stop Arsenal rather than outplay us. And with our recent history of defending set pieces (where we’ve been as watertight as a pair of paper knickers) they rightly feel that if they succeed in stopping us, they have every chance of grabbing a goal or two at the other end.

But there are some strikers, at certain periods of their careers, who are simply unstoppable.

Thierry Henry had it for years. Ruud van Nostrelflair had it for a while. Cristiano Ronaldo had it in England and now Spain. Drogba used to have it. Lionel Messi has it.

And Prince Robin has it, because no striker in England comes close to matching his hit rate right now.

And that inspires fear – even terror – in the hearts of opposing managers and defenders.

In the days of TH14, no matter how well set up a rival defence was, they knew that if Thierry wanted to play, there would be little they could do to stop him.

Of course there are other ways you can inspire fear in your enemies (and I don’t mean the Barton approach of stubbing out a cigar in their eye).

Having a genius midfielder, for example, whose passing can unlock any defence; having a team so technically gifted that they can one-two their way round the most resolute of opponents.

And a rock solid defence can also terrorise the opposing side.

The chant of “one nil to The Arsenal” emerged during the period when we had the ‘famous back six’ of Seaman, Dixon, Winterburn, Adams, Bould and Keown. The meaning of the chant was not to point out the score for the hard of thinking (there was a big score board screen to do that). It was to let the opposition players and their fans know that they had already lost because there was no way they were going to penetrate our back line.

We’re a long way from inspiring fear defensively or in midfield (although the more victories we accrue the more that will come). But at least at the striking end of things we are on the way.

And if we can get any kind of result at Stamford Bridge this Halloween weekend, we’ll be even better placed to put the frighteners on the (relatively) easy run of opponents we have between then and Christmas.

We need fear to be our friend again.


102 Responses to Are Teams Starting To Fear Arsenal Again?

  1. LB says:

    Good read, like the sentiment but really love that picture………happy days.

  2. SirSharkilusSure-Commander of the Fleet says:


    I’m so glad that I signed up for the post to be delivered to my work mail box.

    First Peaches sterling ‘Hide Park’ effort ‘by candlelight’ (self flagellation?), and now this from Rocky.


  3. Gooner in Exile says:

    Masterpiece Rocky as ever……hopefully we will soon see opposition defenders turning helplessly to look at each other figuring out how to stop RvP and co and our own midfield and defence shrugging away challenges with ease.

    Then they will fear us. Altho given its gone quiet on the on pitch criticism from the media perhaps they already do.

  4. Red Arse says:

    What a lovely ‘footbally’ Post, and sure enough it’s from the maestro himself!! Well done Rocky, loved it!! 🙂

  5. Illybongani says:

    Well said Rocky – an absolute reflection of my own thoughts over the last 6 months or so. Even when we were challenging half way through last season you still had the feeling we were an accident waiting to happen. The implosion came as no surprise after Christmas with the failure to strengthen the squad.

    To be honest, seeing Man Citeh win well again last night, it is them that have taken over our mantle. 5 goals at Spuds, 6 at ManUre, something like 25 goals in their last 6 away games – a record we would have been proud of.

    It seems daft when we’re starting to put a few results together but I’m still really worried we’ve just papered over the cracks. Arsene has built his new house but I fear the foundations are unstable. I really think he might have to knock it all down and start again.

  6. Rasp says:

    Morning LB,

    Yes, I’ve been waiting to use that picture and Rocky’s great rousing post seemed the perfect opportunity.

    The bookies have the chavs at ridiculously high odds to win on Saturday – I can feel an upset coming.

  7. Chairma Gallant says:

    “True nobility is exempt from fear”.I hope our players should have that at the back of their mind when we take on Chelsea this weekend and when we eventually take on mancity.
    Anybody can be beaten,no matter how strong you are.

  8. Rasp says:

    I think we only have cause for optimism at this point.

    Several important decisions lie ahead for the other big London derby, this is where managers are tested – do we start with TV, and in place of who?, Chamakh or Park on the bench? should we start with Theo?, Rosicky or Frimpong? All good problems to have, but the choices could be the defining factor.

  9. Bode says:

    Sum teams win games even b4 stepping on the field becos the opponent fear them but Arsenal dont have dat but if we can find the rite partnership at the back, midfielder and attack then we can beat all this small teams silly,they will start to fear us.

  10. Well said Rocky hope you are right we need to get the fear factor back again!

  11. delmein says:

    Szcesz,koscielny,vermealen,mertetsacker,santos—song,arteta,ramsey—gervinhio,arshavin—van persie

  12. Rasp says:

    That’s a great line-up delmein. Djourou did OK at RB last time out but I can’t see him dealing with the speed and trickery of Mata so kozzer at RB is a good shout – but I think it is unlikely to happen.

  13. Red Arse says:

    Rasper, you are beginning to be a New Post maestro yourself. I liked that too, and it was an apt precursor for the Rock! 🙂

  14. Rob c says:

    I still feel that we are a long way from any teams fearing us, stop RVP and you are almost on your way to at least a point. When we get Wilshere and Sagna back and hopefully make some quality purchases in January, we desperately need another creative Midfielder and I feel we will be right back there with the best including Man City and we will be feared again. Whilst mentioning Man City, does anyone agree with me that their type of “team building” only ruins the PL as it makes it such an uneven playing field as even Manure only buy a few players each season and invariably bring through 1 or 2 youngsters from their youth teams, you cannot see Man City ever doing that until the money runs out.

  15. Illybongani says:

    Rob c – I think I’m getting over the jealousy phase of Citeh and I’m actually beginning to enjoy watching some of their football. I don’y think another name to challenge Man Utd and Chelski is a bad thing, even if that team isn’t us at the moment. The last thing we want is a league like Scotland or Spain has with just two teams with a realistic chance of winning it.

  16. kelsey says:


    You are a master of the New Post but I detect a fetish for underwear though you have informed me that Rasp goes commando but nothing about the Lady goonerettes 🙂

    My favorite player Albert E.Walciott might start and if nothing else he will draw two or even three defenders to counteract his pace .

    I feel a Kanu moment on Saturday the player being Gervinho.

    Chas, of you tube fame perhaps you can find that clip of Kanu’s hattrrick against the chavs and of TH14 walking through the Spurs entire team to score at the North Bank.

    I am reliably informed that Chamakh is off in January but a replacement is not in the offing at the moment, so Park may well get more games than some think.
    Fabianski is muted to go out on loan,Almunia will go back to Spain, which leaves getting rid permently of Denilson (not easy unless we take a loss) Vela will be sold and stay in Spain, Bendtner not confirmed that he is finished with us,but at the right price to the club he will be off as well. Squid needs to go as well. 5 reserves are going out on loan and for now that’s about it.

    I hope vermaelen starts on Saturday but does AW break up the Per/kos partnership.

  17. I think we have had a lot of bad luck: Key players like: Wilshere, Sagna and Vermaelen (who is ready for the blues game) out for a long time. I also think we will get a lot of quality players in the nekt window, i really think we are going to pick up 2-3 big names. And we have to, because the big hole of creativity Cesc and Samir left is not filled at all! And with big names, i mean stars: Yann mVila, Edden Hazard, Mario Gotse, Granero. This is plyers we are able to sign if we just put the money on the table, an we all know hat we got that money.

  18. Rasp says:

    Hi kelsey,

    The trouble with your favourite player Albert Tatlock Walcott, is that he doesn’t help out enough defensively and if Djourou is at RB (I like the idea of kozzer) we will be vulnerable down our right flank.

  19. kelsey says:

    I agree about the principle of not paying monopoloy money to win the PL but it will be a hell of a job for Mancini to keep the likes of Ballotti and Tevez (who i am sure will be unloaded)and whoever else in order.These guys are on money they would never have dreamed of, mainly lottery winning scum bags and it just happened to be City as the club chosen by the Arabs. I still have a soft spot for them and their die hard supporters who hadn’t seen a trophy for about 35 years .But is it good for football, emphatically no.


    Great post as always Rocky.

    Who was that geezer who said ” We have nothing to fear but fear itself”?

    My point is lets not over worry about other teams fearing us, rather lets eliminate our own fear. We have seen many times this season that when our tails our up we play great football and conversly when we have a setback we go into our shell.

    If we play with confidence and no fear we will eventuly wipe the floor with the lot of them.

  21. Great post Rocky, not sure about the picture, the missing caption could read “Whats she doing in the Gents”.

  22. Ik says:

    Great post. The team just need to build on what they have started and never say never, as they have what it takes to beat any team.

  23. 26may1989 says:

    If anyone else had written that post, I’d say it is superb. But we’ve become so used to this high quality stuff from Rocky it hardly seems surprising any more to read yet another lucid, insightful, funny number from his keyboard. However, bravo all the same!

    We’ll need to build slowly, and that process has begun with 7 wins in 8 games. But there’s a long way to go yet, and each upcoming game is “crucial” and “make or break” for us. The game at the weekend will be a good test, as will the away game at City in early December. But the real measure is what we do in all the games against less intimidating opponents over the next couple of months – if we could break with tradition and have a good November, that would go a long way to building our confidence and the perception of us.

    As for line-ups this weekend, I’d go for Sz, Djourou, Mert, Kos, TV (at LB), Song, Arteta, Ramsey, Walcott, RvP and Gervinho. But I predict that Santos will play at LB and Vermaelen will be on the bench. I love TV, but Kos is on fire right now, and the BFG is doing well, and I always think form players should get the nod. That might be used against my suggestion of Walcott, who’s had two pretty poor games in a row, but I still like him for pinning back Cole the way he did so well when we caned Chelsea at home last year. A bench of Fab, TV/Santos, Squillaci, Arshavin, Rosicky, Frimpong and Park would do the business for me.

    It’ll be good to test the hopefully tired legs of the Chelsea players who played 120 minutes at Everton last night. And their defending in the last couple of games has looked enticingly dodgy. They still carry plenty of threat of course, and have a perfect home PL record at home so far. But then, as they say, records are there to be broken.

  24. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Definately time to knock the day job on the head. All well and good jetting here, there and everywhere ensuring a good home and education of the Rockettes, but consider the bigger picture. Like a brilliant post for us lot every day.
    By the way, surely you noticed how the Spuds did get hold of a brown away kit one year. Yip, specially designed for one particular away game.

  25. kelsey says:

    According to his own website AA wasn’t meant to play on Tuesday. Rosicky should have played but sustained a small injury.

  26. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Thinking of that brilliant pic, I was talking to a Gunner on the train back from the Stoke game, and he said how he told his children when he took them to a game featuring those three: “Watch and enjoy. You will probably never see an Arsenal team of this quality again”. Hope not, but wow we were spoilt.

  27. Rasp says:

    ” It was to let the opposition players and their fans know that they had already lost because there was no way they were going to penetrate our back line”… ooo errrr missus 🙄

  28. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Our first ever welcome injury?
    In the nicest possible way, it was good to see AA central.
    Don’t lower the tone. That’s not your job 🙂

  29. Rasp says:

    I was deputising for you Micky 😕

  30. Fatgingergooner says:

    Great post.

    Peaches, I have sent u an email, let me know if u get it!

  31. Rasp says:

    Hi FGG,

    peaches won’t be around til this evening, I’ll let her know you’ve been in touch.

  32. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Like I need your help 🙂

  33. harry says:

    Oh, Rocky Rocky, rocky rocky rocky with another masterpiece……..

    I was in meetings all morning and have just come into the office, whereby another Gooner Called Curt works, I said anything on the news now? whats the article on AA about, and who wrote it?

    He said “I cannot remember who wrote it, but its great, really funny”, Must be rocky I said…….Thats the one……..No offence to anyone else but it was obvious who had wrote it……….. Curt needs to come on here and join in, i keep trying, he reads it everyday, as do some others…….

    Anyway BTA, Fear is one of the most underated weapons there is, and many fail to use it wisely. Many sports and things in life are in the mind, psychologically it can be all over before a game starts…

    But this is gain over a long time, we obviously reached our peak in 2003/04, maintaining it for a couple of years, it started to ebb away, and last season at Newcastle, it was flushed away……

    Losing Fabregas and Nasri and a prolong campaign of psychologiocal warfare by the media pre season and at the start, has made it very difficult to get that back, even part way……..
    Beat Chelsea and get to Xmas with a good run of wins, will stand us well, but it is a slow process of recovery, before we truly get it back, so the players just have to worked harder……….

  34. chas says:

    Cosmologically scatological, Rocky. 🙂

    This is the best version to see the full majesty of Kanu’s hat-trick.
    Watch from 5:30 to see from the first Kanoooooooo goal.

  35. Fatgingergooner says:

    Cheers Rasp.

  36. gunnern5 says:

    From Teamtalk .com


    Arsenal majority shareholder Stan Kroenke has maintained to shareholders at Thursday’s AGM that the club has “all the elements for success”.

    The American billionaire first joined the Arsenal board in 2008, but living up to his nickname ‘Silent Stan’ had made few public statements over his vision for the club amid the stringent rules of the Takeover Panel.

    However, after taking a controlling stake of more than 60% in the Gunners’ parent holding company earlier this year following the purchase of shares from the late Danny Fiszman, the Denver-based sports magnate revealed he was relishing his involvement at Emirates Stadium.

    “What a wonderful club,” Kroenke said.

    “We are involved extensively in sports in the United States and had lots of opportunities to involve ourselves in lots of clubs around Europe and in the [English] Premier League.

    “We did not have an interest, but as we became involved with Arsenal in a commercial undertaking in Denver, I became more interested.

    “Arsenal has all the elements that you need to have success in this kind of business.

    “[The club] has tremendous management at the top, a wonderful manager on the pitch who makes great decisions in regard to personnel, and a tremendous following with the supporters.

    “With all those things in place, it was an easy decision for us to get more involved.”

    Kroenke added: “We are glad to be here, are happy with the direction of the club and are here for the long term – we love London, you had better get used to seeing us, because we will be around.”

    Chief executive Ivan Gazidis had delivered the opening address to the Annual General Meeting at the Emirates, and maintained “being a force” both in the Premier League and Europe would always continue to be the Gunners’ “main objectives”.

    Gazidis also updated the AGM on the club’s “sound financial platform”, with all bank loans paid off and the only outstanding debt now related to the stadium move, which are set at affordable long-term rates.

    The Arsenal chief executive revealed there would soon be more commercial income from new sponsorship agreements.

    He added: “We have a sound foundation to move forwards. Standing still has never been an option.”

    On the pitch, Arsenal have recovered form after a terrible start to the new season, and booked their place in the quarter-finals of the Carling Cup earlier this week with a seventh win in their last eight matches.

    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger celebrated 15 years in charge of the club earlier this season, but he has endured one of the most testing spells of his tenure over the past few months.

    However, the French coach insists the supporters must not lose their faith.

    Wenger told the AGM: “I believe the values we defend are highly defendable.

    “We want to do things with class and be very brave. Courage is a quality I admire, because it is highly needed in the modern world.

    “I can see a lot of fear and discontent among you – and I can understand that because we live in a world where we fight with people who have extremely high resources.

    “We can compete by trying to be intelligent and to be united, because football is very difficult to be consistent and we have been more consistent than anybody in the world in the last 15 years.”

    The Arsenal manager added: “To stay at the top, top level we have to stay united.

    “That does not mean not I am not to be criticised, or the board – we accept that, but we have to show to the outside we are united. If you are not, then you have no chance.”

  37. Illybongani says:

    Riiiight – if we’re not United then we have no chance, Citeh and Chelsea might not agree with that.

  38. gunnern5 says:


    Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has told BBC Sport that the club have started negotiations with Robin van Persie over a new contract.

    Van Persie, the club’s captain, has already scored nine goals in 13 games for Arsenal this season and his current deal runs until July 2013.

    He is the only current Arsenal player to have won a trophy while at the club.

    Wenger said: “He has 18 months to go and I’m confident he’ll sign a new deal. I’m always confident.”

  39. I do wish he had found some other word than “united”


    As our great manager said, its time to conquer our fear. This goes right through the club from the owners down to the supporters. Yes, the likes of City and Chelsea have more money but as history has shown us, if one club can punch above its weight its Arsenal.

    We have more reason to be united as a support than any other club. The club does things the right way based on ethics and vaules that go back to the 1930’s. Ime very proud to call myself a Gooner, and will be even prouder when we win the Champions League this season.

  41. Completely anodyne statements from all concerned. “tremendous management at the top” Yeah right!

    A wonderful manager on the pitch…no argument there!

    “there would soon be more commercial income” Now where have we heard that before?

    I must confess that I didn’t expect anything else, so I’m not disappointed.

  42. Gooner in Exile says:

    Afternoon good Gooners of AA.

    The debate about the possible line up for this weekend is going to be ongoing.

    My own tuppence worth thinks the prospect of Djourou dealing with Mata and Cole overlapping will be fraught with danger. It will rely on young Theo dictating to Cole that he can’t go forward or as I fear in the new AVB Chavski that Theo will have a lot of helping out to do.

    Additionally we have the Kos/BFG/Verm quandary, who’d have thought that we would be in a position to worry about which 2 of 3 centre backs we select. For me Kos and Verm might be the way forward as Torres may possess too much speed for the BFG.

  43. Red Arse says:


    In response to your query about what AFC should/could do financially to imprive our ability to compete with the Chavs, Citeh etc – IF – the majority shareholder wanted to do so — might be to recapitalise Arsenal.

    In brief -and leaving out all the ‘accountingy’ bits!! 🙂

    Let’s say Arsenal had (historically) issued 62K shares at £1 each, they would have had £62K in the bank.

    OK, Now lets say they issue another 38K shares – (but this time at the new market price of £14K per share which has been offered by Usmanov).

    Arsenal’s Share capital would be;
    A) 62K ‘old’ shares at £1 each = £62K
    B) 38K ‘new’ shares at £14,000 each = £532,000,000

    So the NEW cash injection would put another £532m into the coffers, to pay off our debts and have plenty of cash for players.

    If Kroenke and Usmanov bought the new shares on a 50/50 basis they each would invest;

    Kroenke £266m — Usmanov £266m

    New Shareholding %;

    Kroenke = ……..60%
    Usmanov = …….38%
    AST = ……………2%

    Result = Plenty of ‘Wonga’ (thanks Micky)!! 🙂

    Likelihood of it happening? Low!!

  44. Illybongani says:

    RA – so what happens to the value of the old shares?

  45. harry says:

    Just proud to be a Gooner 😀

  46. harry says:

    My team for Saturday………..

    No1 ITW

    Koscienly Vermaelen BFG Santos

    Song Arteta

    Walcott Ramsey Gervinho

    Van persie

    Subs: Arshavin, Park, Ox, Frimpong,Miquel, Benayoun and Fabianski……….

  47. goonermichael says:

    Two women were having lunch together, and discussing the merits of cosmetic surgery. The first woman says, “I need to be honest with you, I’m getting a boob job.” The second woman says “Oh that’s nothing, I’m thinking of having my asshole bleached!” To which the first replies, “Whoa I just can’t picture your husband as a blonde!”

  48. Red Arse says:


    In effect, the original Limited Company issued shares were traded from the start between the original shareholders, who bought them for £1 each, and successive purchasers over the years at whatever the market rate for them was at the time.
    The club would have only received £62,000 (in old money) i.e. £1 for each share.

    Eventually the then owners of those shares, Fizman, Dein, and others sold out to Kroenke and Usmanov for huge bucks, none of which went to the club, of course, but into the estates of Fizman, Dien & Co, making them multi-millionaires.

    However, the proposed NEW shares issued by the club – at a premium – would go straight into the club’s bank account! 🙂 £532m – lovely!! 🙂

  49. Illybongani says:

    I’m stoopid I know but…it wouldn’t be 100k shares all worth £14k. I think I know the answer so I don’t know why I’m asking! Thanks though.

  50. Red Arse says:

    Funny you should say that GM, but had you heard about the problems of teaching Involuntary Muscle Contraction?

    Apparently Professor Higgins at the University of Sydney was giving a lecture on ‘Involuntary Muscle Contraction’ to the first year medical students. it concerned the inter-connectivity of muscle, nerves and tissue.

    It was not an exciting subject and the professor decided to lighten up the mood of the class.

    He pointed to a young woman trainee in the front row and asked, ‘Do you know what your arsehole is doing while you’re having an orgasm?’

    She replied, ‘Probably golfing with his mates.’

    It took 45 minutes to restore order in the classroom!

    Well you started it!! 🙂

  51. goonermichael says:

    A five-year-old boy was mowing his front lawn and drinking a beer. The preacher who lived across the street saw the beer and came over to harass the kid. “Aren’t you a little young to be drinking, son?” he asked. “That’s nothing,” the kid said after taking a swig of beer. “I got laid when I was three.” “What? How did that happen?” “I don’t remember. I was drunk.”

  52. Red Arse,

    The problem with your solution is that Kroenke doesn’t have £266 million to invest, I don’t think he has yet paid in full for the shares he bought from Fiszman and Lady Nina. Also what would Usmanov get out of the deal? Still no place on the board and so no say in the running of the club.

  53. goonermichael says:

    A doctor walked into a bank. Preparing to endorse a check, he pulled a rectal thermometer out of his shirt pocket and tried to ‘write’ with it. Realizing his mistake, he looked at the thermometer with annoyance and said, “Well that’s great, just great… some asshole’s got my pen.”

  54. Red Arse says:


    You are definitely stoopid — Accountancy, even shorn of frills, is boring to non accountants – which is why I am not keen on explaining. 🙂

    The first 62K shares were issued by the company for £1 each in the early 20th century. This was received at the formation of the company.

    What the original shareholders then did with them after they had bought them had no financial impact on the company.

    But, if the NEW issued shares were sold at £1 each (say) plus a premium of £13,999 all of that (£532m) would go to the club.

    I’ve got to go and lie down now — it’s pass the baton to GIE, or TerryM, or Charyb, or Wonderman, or ………. well you get the idea! 🙂

  55. Red Arse says:


    Definitely NOT stoopid!! Sorry typing too fast!! 🙂

  56. goonermichael says:

    A man left work one Friday afternoon. But, being payday, instead of going home, he stayed out the entire weekend partying with the boys and spending his entire paycheck. When He finally appeared at home, Sunday Night, he was confronted by a very angry wife and was barraged for nearly two hours with a tirade befitting his actions. Finally his wife stopped the nagging and simply said to him. “How would you like it if you didn’t see me for two or three days?” To which he replied. “That would be fine with me.”

    Monday went by and he didn’t see his wife. Tuesday and Wednesday came and went with the same results. Come Thursday, the swelling went down just enough where he could see her a little out of the corner of his left eye.

  57. Illybongani says:

    thanks – I now have tea all over my monitor.

  58. goonermichael,

    The old ‘uns are the best!

  59. Red Arse says:


    Please read the last sentence of my response to GLIC;
    Likelihood (of share restructuring)? Low!

    I was NOT proposing it, I was explaining how money could be injected into the club IF the majority shareholder (Kroenke) wanted to do so. He might choose to do so with or without Usmanov’s involvement – who knows? Not me.

    Plenty of IFs there I think. Incidentally I cannot read Usmanov’s mind or why he bought 29.5% of the existing shares, but he actually DID suggest investing money into the club in a very similar scheme last year. Kroenke turned him down.

  60. Red Arse says:

    Illy, 🙂

  61. goonermichael says:

    Actually I’m bored today and copied them from a website. The Everton goalkeepers shirt last night was funny. No wonder he dropped the ball.

  62. goonermichael says:

    How silly was it to dedicate the chavs win to john terry? He clearly said what he’s been accused of.

  63. Red Arse,

    I believe Usmanov was suggesting a rights issue, but that was before Kroenke bought (though did not actually pay for) the shares required to give him overall control.

    I too have no idea why Usmanov bought into the club, neither do any of us know the real reason behind Kroenkes purchases.

  64. Red Arse says:

    A punter was at the horse races playing the ponies and all but losing his shirt.
    He noticed a Priest step out onto the track and blessed the forehead of one of the horses lining up for the 4th race.
    Lo and behold, that horse – a very long shot – won the race..

    Next race, as the horses lined up, the Priest stepped onto the track. Sure enough, he blessed one of the horses.

    The punter made a beeline for a betting window and placed a small bet on the horse. Again, even though it was another long shot, the horse won the race.

    He collected his winnings, and anxiously waited to see which horse the Priest would bless next.

    He bet big on it, and it won. As the races continued the Priest kept blessing long shots, and each one ended up winning.

    The punter was elated. He made a quick dash to the ATM, withdrew all his savings, and awaited for the Priest’s blessing that would tell him which horse to bet on.

    True to his pattern, the Priest stepped onto the track for the last race and blessed the forehead of a tired old nag that was the longest shot of the day.

    This time the priest blessed the eyes, the ears, and the hooves of the poor old nag. The punter knew he had a winner and bet every cent he owned on the old nag.
    Then he watched dumbfounded as the wretched old nag came in last. In a state of shock, he went to the track area where the Priest was.

    Confronting Him, he demanded, ‘Father! What happened? All day long you blessed horses and they all won. Then in the last race, the horse you blessed lost by a Kentucky mile. Now, thanks to you I’ve lost every cent of my savings!’

    The Priest nodded wisely and with great sympathy; ‘Son,’ he said, ‘that’s the problem with you Protestants, you can’t tell the difference between a simple blessing and the last rites.’

  65. goonermichael says:

    Are you surte he hasn’t paid for them. Kroenke owns sports clubs already so it’s safe to assume it’s an investment in a sector that he understands. I have no idea about usmanov. I hope he never takes over. He is so dodgy.

  66. Red Arse says:


    Now look at what you have got me into with a question about Arsenal and bloody accountancy. 🙂

    I have accidentally insulted Illy, by agreeing with him 🙂 and LG is carrying on a discussion with me, full of caveats on both sides, that sounds a bit like;
    — “how much oil COULD a gumboil boil, IF a gumboil COULD boil oil?”
    Blimey! (I like that word) 🙂

    Both you and TerryM will be time transported in the very near past.

  67. It was a bright sunny spring day and the vicar was walking through the park, he was admiring the beautiful green grass the lovely blue sky and the bright yellow daffodils, he saw a pretty little blue eyed, blonde girl tripping towards him with a fat little dog on a lead, she was wearing a bright pink polka dot dress with matching ribbons in her hair.

    “Hello“ little girl“, said the vicar, “you do look so very pretty with your blonde hair, blue eyes and lovely pink polka dot dress”, “are you enjoying this beautiful day?” “Ooh yes vicar” said the little girl, “the beautiful green grass the lovely blue sky and the bright yellow daffodils are so nice”. “Well” said the vicar, “ and what is your fat little dog called?” “Oh” said the little girl, “ he’s called Porky, Vicar”. “Well, well, well” said the vicar, “is that because he’s a fat little dog?” “Oh no Vicar” said the little girl, “it’s because he f****S pigs”.

  68. goonermichael says:

    What did the 2 lesbian frogs say to each other

    We do taste like chicken don’t we


    Picking up from what Redders is saying its worth noting what Usmanovs proposed rights issue to the Board last year meant.

    I will try and make it as simple as possible for the non accountants. Lets say Arsenals structure is as follows:

    SHARES: 100

    What a rights issue does is create new shares in the club. Lets say another 50 is what is been offered. The new shares are offered to exsisting shareholders as a ‘right’ to buy in lets say 2 years time, but you have to pay for that ‘right’ to buy now, and what businesses do is offer the right below todays market vaule, say £5 instead of £10.

    If everyone takes up the rights issue then the club will have an extra
    50 x 5 = £250. (I wont go into the pros and cons of why shareholders might or might not accept the offer since this will overcomplicate it)

    What one must also note here is that the instigator of the rights issue (usmanov) can offer to underwrite it. In other words he will buy the new shares himself if the other shareholders dont, therefore increasing his percentage stake.

    In theory Kronke and the board could go down these lines (but they wont coz it dosn’t suit them)

    I hope i havn’t come over patronizing, just trying to help.

  70. GM,

    I’m pretty certain that up to a few weeks back Kroenke still owed money to the Fiszman estate and to Lady Nina, it was published in a reliable journal although I can’t remember which one.

  71. Gooner in Exile says:

    Afternoon all, trust an accountant to suggest a hypothetical solution and then try and run away when the questions come 😉

    LG and GM most of the shares Kroenke acquired were paid in Loan Notes in his American Company. They are similar to the debentures Arsenal plc owes on the Stadium. They were paid via Loan Notes not because he could not raise the cash but because the seller (Bracewell-Smith) asked for them….there are Inheritance Tax benefits I believe.

    He would have happily paid cash or loan notes for the remaining Shares to get to 100%.

    I should be clear this is not the same as the Glaziers who formed a new company to buy the shares of United plc and then took out bank loans on that company to buy the shares. With the only asset being United plc shares this is the only income that can pay the interest on these loans.

  72. goonermichael says:

    Thanks GiE.

  73. RockyLives says:

    Hello All
    Thanks for the ridiculously extravagant compliments.

    Terry: You asked “who said ‘we have nothing to fear but fear itself'”
    Was it Sid Little?

    I’m enjoying the accountancy seminar, but I’m a bit thick when it comes to matters accountingy (great word 🙂 ) so I have a question…
    To go to your original example at 1.59, if I had one of the original shares (worth 1 pound), what would happen to me and my holding when they create the 38k new shares worth 14k each?

    GM @2.31 – funniest joke of the day 😀

  74. Red Arse says:

    TerryM, 🙂

    You were not at all patronizing — but it won’t stop you getting time transported with your mate GLIC tho’!!!

    Well put by the way – both you and GIE. 🙂

    I doubt if the status quo will change very much, because kroenke would risk diluting his stake viz a vis Usmanov, as in my example, and Usmanov would then have the right to be on the Board of Directors.

    Damn! I have given LG a reason/benefit accruing to Uzzi for him to suggest a capital restructuring/rights issue — and I haven’t charged him a penny! 😦

  75. Red Arse says:

    Rocky, 🙂 Howdy.

    In its simplest terms, IF you had one of the ‘original’ shares it would have what is called a ‘nominal’ share value of £1. But like everyone else currently holding shares you could easily sell it at its current market value of £14,000 to Usmanov.

    In my simple example (it almost certainly will not happen the way I have shown it only for simplicity sake) the NEW shares would rank pari passu with the ‘OLD’ shares. (that means they rank equally with each other).

    However, what I deliberately did not go into was what the voting rights of the shares would be after a rights issue, or perhaps the new shares could be of a different class …… etc, etc.

    Here is where I will really stop —– the snores are resounding thru my keyboard!!!! 🙂

  76. The status quo will at least perpetuate the duality ownership, even if Usmanov is not on the board. This can only be a good thing as it will prevent the club being taken into sole ownership, in which case almost anything could happen.

    Rocky Lives, I believe that in your previous incarnation you were supportive of the dual ownership although doubtful about the motives of Mr. Usmanov, is this still the case?

  77. Red Arse says:


    What is this with the re-incarnations? Are you a Phoenix? Can’t see you as a bird – with or without fire!! 🙂

  78. goonermichael says:

    Does anyone think it may be a risk playing TV on Saturday against the chavs? He’s never played with BFG.

  79. LB says:


    Thanks for your explanation at 3:24 pm, it is genuinely appreciated.

  80. LB says:


    Yep, and for that reason, I cannot see him starting.

  81. RL says:

    Is there an age limit on a buy to let mortgage in the UK and do you have to be a UK citizen?

    Thought I would just pop that in as we have at least a jackfull of accountants on here.

  82. LB says:

    Subjects Kelsey, subjects.

  83. LB says:

    I am no accountant but why would there be an age limit on doing business? And European community passport holders are able to live and work in any of the member countries.

  84. goonermichael says:

    I doubt they’d give a mortgage to a 10 year old 🙂

  85. kelsey says:

    Not quite so simple as that LB.

    Every European country i Know of the banks have different offers and here in Spain most banks don’t give buy to let or if they do it is in Euros only.
    loans based on secured equity within a bank are under 3% currently but fixed for only 2 years.

    mortgages are dependent on age for sure, not practical for us old uns.So my question related to buy to let as i believe age is not taken into account,only proof that one has generated an income by renting.

    I haven’t lived in the UK for a fifth of the time since Spurs last won the league,so things change.

  86. kelsey says:

    Irish when you get home from work look at The Bleacher Report.they are becoming more anti Arsenal by the day. I only mention this to those who don’t know that irish used to write really good articles for them.

  87. RockyLives says:

    Reincarnations Redders?

  88. Irishgunner says:

    Evening Kelsey,

    Glad to say I parted company with Bleacher Report long ago. There was also a strong anti-Arsenal bias there but the community myself and my co-leader of the Arsenal side of things got going there meant we overpowered it. A lot of it was jealousy that our community was so strong.

    A lot of those writers on BR are kids who don’t know their arse from their elbows. I’m glad to be shot of the place.

    Speaking of work, I need to take a few days off and I was hoping to go over to the Dortmund game, do you guys think the tickets will go on General Sale?

  89. kelsey says:

    Extract from today’s AGM

    Peter Hill-Wood out, David Dein back?

    Hill-Wood caused no little mirth when he forgot the fifth and final resolution on the agenda, which was the retention of Stan Kroenke on the board; a scrawled reminder was hastily passed to him. But Arsenal’s venerable chairman was not laughing when one shareholder asked for his resignation and the return of David Dein, the former vice‑chairman, drawing a hearty round of applause. The shareholder said that Hill‑Wood did not deserve the privileges that came with his position. Dein is considered, rightly, to be an industry player; a man familiar with every back street of European football; a facilitator who can make deals happen. The theory goes that with him at the helm, the club would not have endured such a turbulent summer. But would the removal of Hill‑Wood change anything? He is more a custodian, a figurehead, with deep and distinguished family ties to Arsenal and, if anything, the call for the change at the top was uncomfortable for Ivan Gazidis, the chief executive, who runs the club on a day-to-day basis, on Kroenke’s behalf. For the record, Hill‑Wood has “no intention of standing down”.

  90. kelsey says:

    Had to laugh at the first line.

    Irish, wise decision to leave.

    Accounts where are they when you need them.Like buses wait ages then 6 arrive together 🙂

  91. Irishgunner says:

    Think I left over a year ago ha ha so long gone from there.

  92. Gooner in Exile says:

    Kelsey to my knowledge there are no limits on Buy To Let mortgages relating to age. The equity requirement is higher and is pretty much the only non capital repayment mortgage you can get.

  93. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    I asked a simple question yesterday, been to Orcland today and come back to find AA taken over by an accountants convention !. 😆
    Special thanks to , RA, TMHT and GiE, oppologies to others not mentioned.
    Future thanks to Stan and Ussie, for making the aforementioned financial directors of AFC, obviously in a non-playing capacity. 😆
    Now lets spend that £532M ! 😯

  94. chas says:

    I believe the Marseilles tickets went on general sale, so the Dortmund ones will as well, I’d think.

  95. Irishgunner says:

    Cheers Chas,

    I hope so. I’ll try and book a few days off anyway and hope for the best 🙂

  96. VCC says:

    Manchester United have put a bid in for the Olympic stadium in London.
    United’s chairman said “They wanted to be nearer their supporters”

  97. evonne says:

    VCC – how true 🙂

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