Shopping for new players – it’s a cinch !

 

Whilst looking enviously on at those teams lucky enough to be in the Champions League semi finals, and of course being repulsed by the theatrics of the cheating/diving/referee harassment at the Bernabeu last week, one other thing cropped up in my mind.

Last summer the clamour for a quality goalie had led to suggestions that we replace one Manuel(Almunia) with another (Neuer) as well as other likely lads to go in goal for us, Stekelenburg, Given and Reina. Reina, it has since transpired, was the subject of a serious bid from us according to Bob Wilson, and not the much loved by tabloid hacks “an unnamed source within the club”.

While the Schalke keeper performed a sterling job in keeping the indigo (scabby) nosed Glaswegians mob to just two goals ahead last week his showing on Wednesday was less than stellar.

I’m sure we can all easily imagine at least two of the four goals being conceded by our Manuel and the outrage from our support would be no less vicious than it was after West Brom away, for example.

It raises the question of how much Neuer’s value has fallen after those high profile clangers and perhaps how we are better off sticking with a known quantity in Chesney.

It’s fair for the fan base to clamour for signings in areas of the pitch where we are thin on the gorund numbers wise and quality wise but what is apparent is that buying a player is not just like ordering an item off Amazon(other web-based retail sites are available) – you find someone you like, then “add to cart”.

Not only does he have to be available, he has to want to join us and his place in the squad must be clarified(first choice, back up or squad player) – I sense Wenger is the sort of man who would honour such promises made by a prospective signing so he may well be ham strung by this “inconvenient” ethic.

Somehow I feel N17’s tax dodger may not have such qualms about players arriving on false pretences…allegedly and IMHO.

After these considerations there is the sticky issue of valuation, which I will swerve around as the arguments for how much cash we do – or do not – have has been done to death and beyond.

What I also feel is that there is a touch of what I call “Other teams players” syndrome, whereby the good other teams players do is exaggerated and the worth of our present players is down played.

This is not to say squad complacency should be tolerated but the disproportionate praising of another teams player, who some Arsenal fans can’t help but feel are better BECAUSE they play for someone else, is what rankles.

A feverish summer of transfer speculation awaits and it may seem a tad premature to focus on this with three critical games left but I’m just imagining the flak that Neuer would have got had he performed for us as he did for Schalke and the slating our club would have got.

The red tops would, in their usual knee jerk fashion, have labelled our new keeper a dud and proclaimed our transfer strategy as proof of Wenger’s senility.

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177 Responses to Shopping for new players – it’s a cinch !

  1. Morning all – an early bird special from yours truly.

  2. Gooner in Exile says:

    My comment at end of last post, now off to read Charys ramblings

    If the leak is coming from Arsenal is this just to force Barca into offering more?

    Considering Adebayor is on his way back to City as RM won’t pay £17m or meet his £5.5m wages what makes us think they’ll pay good money for Cesc.

    My other major concern is if he goes to Madrid and Maureen leaves I would fear a battle to keep Arsene…I’m sure from a personal point of view he could go with money to burn and a mission to upset and outfootball Barca

  3. Gooner in Exile says:

    Sometimes bloggers on here can be really annoying as they perfectly sum up my feelings in a way much better than I could.

    Chary for an early morning call you have produced a stellar post which I can’t help agreeing with in every way.

    Well player sir.

  4. Big Raddy says:

    Super stuff Chary. And welcome to the Blue.

    Very good point about valuation. Last season’s madness from RM and MC distorted the market to such an extent that potential like Andy Carroll costs £35m.

    At least we don’t have the Chelsea problem insomuch as when they identify a transfer target the price doubles, whereas when AW calls a lengthy negotiation period will ensue and a reasonable fee agreed (or as in most cases – not 😦 )

  5. Thanks GiE – I have to admit I could have expanded on my views but 20 minutes from Peachy’s plea to publish made things a bit rushed !

  6. It is absurd how someone who had less than half a season in the EPL was valued at 35mill Radders.

    The mind boggles.

  7. dandan says:

    Good post Chary well done: All hell will break loose soon, regarding all kinds, of to be or not to be signings.

    I would be very surprised if a keeper is one of our signings, believing as I do that other areas of the team are more vulnerable now and of course the Cesc bandwagon will roll on

    Has anyone else noticed how the anti Wenger hysteria has just about gone from the media, blogs included, since we beat Utd…. funny that

  8. chas says:

    Bang on the money, chary.

    Personally I can’t stand all the Championship Manager experts selecting their current list of ins and outs. Has anyone ever guessed one of Wenger’s signings?

    Praising other team’s players while berating our own is more often than not a simple case of familiarity breeding contempt.

    Cesc to Madrid is the funniest thing I’ve heard for ages. Pig’s head anyone?

  9. Big Raddy says:

    DD. Have no fear, the anti-AW brigade are just sharpening their tongues/keyboards. Shame on them

  10. 26may1989 says:

    OK, haven’t read Chary’s post yet, but before I do, I just wanted to say Carlito’s 9.04am post on the previous thread (in which he assembles a fantastic scenario leading to us winning the league by one goal over Chelsea and United, all three being locked on 76 points) is fantastic! Bananas of course, but great stuff!

  11. Chas/Danadan – cheers and I feel that a lot of the stupidity we get from certain sections of gooners is borne out of the pain of the immediate aftermath of a defeat.

    We all say things in the heat of the moment we regret later – hell, I even wanted ManUre to win the final after the Barca shenanigans in the first leg.

  12. chas says:

    chary, back to Barca then. I could never support another English team in the CL.

  13. Big Raddy says:

    I really do not want Cesc to leave but his going to RM would have very amusing repercussions in the Spain dressing room.

    My chief concern is that Arsenal may sell him to another PL team. Both MC & CFC are desperate for a Cesc type creative MF. Though to do so would be counter-productive and I cannot see AW allowing it, no matter how much they offered.

    Transfer target? How about Tevez? Great player, just stays for 2 seasons, likes London, would fit our team to perfection.

  14. Big Raddy says:

    Chary 10.15. Say it alin’t so …..

  15. Chas, can you imagine the “we love lord Fergie, masster of the universe” bullshit we’d have to swallow should ManUre win the final ?

    I can feel last nighr’s dinner coming up at the very thought.

  16. Radders, good sense has been restored – I can never root for those manc “See-you-next-tuesday’s.”

  17. chas says:

    chary, what a disgusting thought.

    When it comes down to it, I don’t give a shit about Barca. United on the other hand……….

  18. Carlito11 says:

    Chary- love this: “Somehow I feel N17’s tax dodger may not have such qualms about players arriving on false pretences…allegedly and IMHO.” Are you more worried about him suing you for lying to players he recruits than asserting that he hasn’t been entirely honest in his declarations to Her Majesty’s Customs and Revenue? 😆

  19. Carlito11 says:

    26M- not my scenario but a blogger called RayGooner’s… wish I had put in the work to do it myself- I find it quite plausible but then I do not know a hawk from a handsaw!

  20. tommystout says:

    Good morning everyone, fine post charey.
    And having read the comments i see i’m going to have to read the rest of yesterdays comments for curiosity’s sake.
    Anyway talking of inflated prices and shopping lists, i think a new GK will not be on the agenda. Chezzer is fabuloso and seems to be ODing in Arsenal DNA and from my point of view i would not like any other GK in the world to be our No.1 next season (controversial!).
    So whether its amazon argos or pound stretcher Arsene will be able to spend those pennies shoring up our leaky defense and maybe a non injury prone striker to help out RVP.

  21. Carlito, I only did that to avoid me, Raspers and Peachy getting into trouble – who knows if lawyers Sue, Grabbitr & Runne might be watching.

    I except you from this 26 naturally.

  22. Carlito11 says:

    Last one from me before I return to work: GiE I see no correlation between RM not wanting to pay big money for Adebayor and them potentially paying big money for Cesc. An entirely different kettle of fish! (where the hell does that expression come from?)

  23. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Think I read the first sentence of that comment on ‘A Cultured Left Foot’ yesterday Carlito.

    I laughed so much — from the first word of the first sentence until the last word of that sentence — that I must go back and read the rest of the comment, sometime. 🙂
    [Dandan, before you say it — I admit my guilt] 🙂

    Well written Post CharyB. I also pressed your ‘blue’ and was transported to your day job site with yesterday’s Post. Very good too! 🙂

    Having just read the earlier comments this morning, tagged onto yesterday’s Post, I cannot believe some of the suggested names of yesteryear being put forward.

    Talk about going forward into the past! AW would justifiably be ridiculed if he took any notice of that.

  24. Rasp says:

    Morning,

    Very interesting post chary – and all true 😛

    I am beginning to believe that Cesc may be going this summer, so I suspect we will get another midfielder (maybe a winger) and I’d like to see us buy a ‘proper’ striker. The problem with buying a striker is that most of the big spenders will be outbidding us for the recognised names so we need Arsene to do what he does best, keep schtum, and unearth a gem that’s not on anyone else’s radar.

  25. Hi RedA – I’ve got AA showing on my Blue name at the other site, but to be honest I’ve had more posts here than there, currently 19 here and 12 on the American site.

    Thanks TommyS – who can say no to a damsel in distress(Peachy) when she needs a post PDQ ?

  26. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Carlito,

    ‘A fine kettle of fish’ usually means a ‘right old mess’.

    It is a fishy terminology, as a ‘kettle’ or ‘kiddle’ was a wicker fish trap, went it went kaput and useless it was referred to as ‘A right …. blah’.

  27. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Before you all become hypnotised into somnolence, (work), by me, I am going to bugger off. 🙂

  28. See you later RedA – like the new avatar BTW.

  29. tommystout says:

    Seems like i should have read the previous post’s comments first – the Cesc to Real news is the first ive read about it, shocker.
    If we get 45m for him then its money that has to be spent. Top drawer midfielder and top drawer striker. Will that leave us some change for a top drawer centre half? hmmmmm thinks they’ll have to raid the piggy bank!

  30. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    CharyB,

    That’s the first time I have noticed the new Avatar.

    Looks like a bunch of bacteria avoiding antibiotics in the middle!

    Ta ra.

  31. 26may1989 says:

    Great post Chary, and the fact that you knocked it up in 20 minutes makes it, well, super great.

    It’s hilarious the way many fans (me included) hear a name mentioned in the press or blogosphere, see a tiny snippet of the player in question, and then decide he is the answer to all our questions. Be honest, we all do it from time to time. But the truth is we don’t really know what we’re on about until and unless we’ve seen the player in question in several full games.

    And so it is with Neuer. His name has been knocking about for ages, but as Chary says, the interest went mental after he did well in the first game against United. Imagine if someone’s entire knowledge of Almunia was a series of highlights taken from our home game against Barca last season and our away game against them this season – the reaction would be this Almunia geezer is a god, simply the best.

    On the keeper question, there’s only one answer for me: Wojciech Szczesny. The only doubts revolve around which keepers we should have as back-up (I favour Mannone and Shea, allowing Fabianski to find a first choice slot elsewhere).

    If Cesc goes to another English club, I will go nuts, that would be a huge own goal. If he goes to Real, I will think less of him because I detest that club. And if he goes to Italy, I’ll wonder what the hell is the point.

  32. Wonderman says:

    Morning Chary fantastic post, one of the best I have read in a long time.

    Most transfer ‘news’ is merely speculation made up by the newspapers. I have said on this site many times that player transfers are complex things

    ‘but what is apparent is that buying a player is not just like ordering an item off Amazon’

    Spot on !! Like the rest of us, players have children in schools, wives and extended families which are all taken into account when negotiating a new contract or a move, never mind the myriad of image rights, bonuses , tax planning etc. With regards to transfer fees , the truth often only comes out when the club publishes its accounts and even then you will often need the ability of a forensic accountant to extract the detail.

    I can’t believe some bloggers think Cesc will go to another Prem club. In my opinion, like last summer there will be loads of speculation, but he will remain to leave the following season

  33. TotalArsenal says:

    Fair enough Red Arse, but what is your alternative then? Do you say, we should continue with what we got now? And what if Cesc would leave this summer; are you still continuing with current team, and if not who would you want to buy?

    As a general point to this morning’s post, what is so wrong about admiring an other team’s football player? If you love football, you love quality, and there is nothing wrong with admiring it. This does not mean that our players are rubbish. In fact, I believe we have got a great great team, but just mis top level – winning experience, which is costing us dearly.

    If Cesc goes we lose one of the best players in the world. He did not have the best of seasons, set by his own high standards, but in the next two years he will be up there again. He would need replacing and there is nothing wrong with getting excited about who that could be.

  34. Big Raddy says:

    Wonderman.Fine comment & Re Cesc. I agree with you

  35. 26may1989 says:

    I also agree with Wonderman, I reckon Cesc will stay till 2012.

  36. tommystout says:

    If cesc does go to Madrid how do you guys feel about money plus Benzema, wenger likes him doesnt he?

  37. Thanks 26/Wonderman – I did consider doing a hatchet job on Shawcross, bu tI can’t be that mean so early in the morning !

  38. Neuer is not coming to Arsenal as we’ve got Szczesny who mind you is not much worse.We won’t buy Lukaku.He’s out of our range at 25-30 million. Hazard was a possibility during January but then he signed a contract extension.If he wanted to move to Arsenal, he’d have never done so.He again is very costly but still within Arsene’s budget.Neymar is once again too costly for us. Scott Parker looks the real deal and if West Ham go down ,we should surely go for him.The only player Wenger’s shown interest in is Falcao but obviously the whole summer is still left for him to ponder about the transfers.We don’t even need a Cahill or Samba.Just a 4th choice defender will do for me with Vermaelan and Koscielny as first-choice.We don’t need that many players as many fans are wanting.Just a tweak in the DM area and a striker upfront.
    I’ve written an article on Koscielny.Thought you’d like to read it:
    http://delhigunner.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/koscielny-is-potentially-better-than-vermaelan/

  39. Gooner in Exile says:

    Agree about Sz being No 1 next year but he MUST improve his kicking. Maybe one downside of the get it on the floor approach we have to football at all levels of the club as he probably has not had much need to launch the ball long in his Yourh team days. The intensity of the Prem means you need to do that more often. There is nothing wrong with a long ball if it has an intended recipient (space over the top for Theo) against ManU and others his kicks were too easy for the opposition to win.

  40. It’s going to be a very tricky summer for transfers in and out Shubham son(I feel I should call you that as you said you are just 17, not much older than my sons), the most challenging transfer window our manager has faced for a while.

    But it’ll be something to keep us occupied through the close season.

  41. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Hi Total, 🙂

    I do not want to stop anyone dreaming of who we may or may not buy in the Summer. I do it all the time.

    The players mentioned earlier (by you?) were great players in their time, and if we had bought them over five or six years ago, I would have been thrilled. So, no intention of being rude to you or them.

    As to who I would buy? I posted a comment yesterday saying that AW tends to be reactive, not proactive. What I meant was that it depends on who (in the last year of their contracts) potentially wants to leave, (Clichy, Nasri), and they would need to be replaced first.

    I hope AW does not buy a new GK.

    I just cannot read Arsene when it comes to where he sees weaknesses in the team, (Midfield, Striker or CB) so speculation, for me, is a futile exercise until we know more about his thinking.

    In the realms of wishful thinking tho’, I would not be unhappy with Rodwell, Phil Jones, Falcao joining us, but they are the future not the past. 🙂

  42. Geoff Strong says:

    My dream is the AC Milan model of the late 80’s. A foundation of players brought up the Milan way with 3 world class players (Reikjard, Gullit and van Basten) added to make them worldbeaters.

    We have the first bit, but whether the 3 players are out there, or affordable, is why it’s just a dream.

  43. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Agreed, Geoff.

  44. Wonderman says:

    @GIE 11:07 I totally agree that he needs to improve on his kicking, it was particularly erring against the Mancs as he kept just giving back to Van derSar. You are right Academies these days encourage playing out from the back. The coach that took my goalkeeping Level 2 was at Arsenal until recently and I know that long range distribution would not have been omitted, so I think it just a matter of practice, practice, practice !!!!

  45. London says:

    Of all the attributes that a goalkeeper needs to be naturally blessed with kicking is the one that can be improved with practice.
    And after his dodgy kicking against United and even worse his poor decison making as to how he should distribute it, my guess is that he will spend the whole of this week in discussions about those very issues.
    The Stoke game will tell us just how much he has learnt, once again my guess would be — a lot.
    To me, Szezceny is the real deal, I expect him to be still keeping goal when most of us are no longer around.

  46. goonermichael says:

    Great post. I can’t see Wenegr ever going to RM. He needs control. At RM the manager doesn’t always choose the players. They afooered him a lot of money recently. I think we are probably his last club. As for the transfer rumours I love the way some shit site like goal.com posts an unfounded rumour, other sites (even the bbc) quote it and 2 years later bloggers are saying “we could have had so and so” or “we didn’t get so and so because we offered them £20 Less”. The other thing that gets me is the expression “world class players” what does that mean?

  47. goonermichael says:

    Chesneys kicking has been bad all season. Didn’t he give the ball back to the bindippers after we’d scored?

  48. 26may1989 says:

    Tommy, I like Benzema, if he can be got, I’d be delighted. Less so if Cesc were going the other way, but if he is going (which I don’t think he is), getting Benzema would take the edge off the disappointment. And if we can get Ozil, Alonso and Diarra (if his attitude is more reasonable now), even better!

    But seriously, I reckon the summer will be more about departures than arrivals, with Wenger calling time on a few who’ve not taken their chances. But the two or perhaps three arrivals I think there might be will be more established names than we’ve been used to signing in recent years. We shall see.

    The only thing that can be guaranteed is that we will be linked with dozens of players between now and the end of August, most of the conenctions being made up. And we will all get incredibly excited as we try to locate the rumours that have some reality to them, weeding out the ones that are nonsense created by the evil axis between journos and agents. As Red Arse says, it’s all futile. But then it’s still fun to speculate, and pretty addictive!

  49. 26may1989 says:

    @London 12.28pm: “Of all the attributes that a goalkeeper needs to be naturally blessed with kicking is the one that can be improved with practice.” Spot on.

  50. London says:

    Cesc to another EPL team, why? It makes not sense.
    Wenger to RM why? It certainly won’t be for money reasons, a chance to win the CL? All he has to do is mention to the board that he is considering leaving for reasons of wanting to win the CL once in his career and the powers that be would shower him with whatever he needs including transfer money to get him to stay. The board are not daft they know that it would cost them far more to get a new manager in than it would to keep Wenger.
    To me it is a question of back him or sack him, I have time for people who want him to go, fair enough, personally I want him to stay, what I can’t stand are those who just moan.

  51. London says:

    I can’t believe it: we have suffered the last four summers dealing with the possibility of Cesc returning to Barcelona and just when it looked like we would have this summer off we have to deal with Cesc to Real Madrid…..which annoyingly is now more plausible.

  52. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi R Arse, G Strong

    I understand where you are coming from Red Arse. The likes of Rodwell, Jones would be great additions. I guess the key issue here is whether we need more good and talented players, or whether we need an element of senior experience of winning major trophies in our team, in order to make the final step up. We have different views on this and there is nothing wrong with that: makes for good blogging.

    Geoff,

    When Van Basten (1987) and Gullit (1988) joined AC Milan, they came from the ‘minor’ Dutch league and were not established world beaters at club level (although the impact of winning the European Championship with Holland should not be underestimated). Rijkaard (1988) had a year at Real before he joined Milan, so yes you could say he was a bit more established at top level. What Milan had was a world-class defense and Rijkaard, Gullit and Van Basten provided the icing on the cake. They became real top players during their time at Milan, and it shows how important it is to have high quality club management with real vision.

    Maybe a little bit comparible with our situation back in the mid nineties, when Bergkamp, Anelka, Overmars, Petit and Viera joined a team that had established a great defense. It was the perfect strategy back then.

  53. goonermichael says:

    Inter may want him too London which would push the price up.

  54. Geoff Strong says:

    On the Chesney long kicking debate,when teams are pressing to try to get an equaliser there is usually no space for a short pass and we tend to have the whole team back defending, and by which time Walcott has been substituted. Solution, leave Walcott on the pitch, on the halfway line, to give the keeper a target and let him use his pace to close down and give the defence time to move out, Simples.

  55. Wonderman says:

    Hi Geoff Strong,

    Whlst I am often irked by Walcott being hooked I’m not certain your scenario is what actually happens. Like almost every team these days we play with 4 at the back with our full back high and wide. Most teams play with 2 up front, so you would be potentially be looking at the CB’S being matched up. But not at the Emirates…most teams play 4-5-1 meaning we are seldom ever pressed. Also the problem of using Walcott as a target is he is not very good with his head or very tall. Szczesny’s kicking is poor directionally out of his hands and from goal kicks, nothing a bit of practice wont correct…but I do agree with you in wishing Walcott was kept on for longer

  56. Geoff – what you’re saying is similar to the long held view that Theo should be on the edge of our penalty area when the oppo has a corner so that he can launch a counter attack if the ball gets nodded out by us, therby ensuring the oppo have to keep at least one player back.

    Once Theo kicked in the afterburners can you imagine the panic in oppo defences ?

  57. dandan says:

    Spanish golf legend Severiano Ballesteros has suffered a “severe deterioration” of his condition, his family said in a statement on his website on Friday.

    It would seem a golfer supreme, as well as a brave and lovely man is losing his fight with cancer. If only all sportsman played with a smile on their face the way Sevy did then our world would be a nicer place.
    He is an outstanding example, of one who treated Triumph and Disaster with equanimity as in the “if” poem so often quoted on here.

    From a poor caddy with a few clubs who nicked on the course half way to play a couple of holes and learn his game, to a multi millionaire and the finest instinctive and resourceful golfer of his time, is a journey that has brought great pleasure to peoples across the world and shown young people everywhere, that anything is possible if you have the will and determination to make it so.
    Bless you Sevy our thoughts are with you.

  58. chas says:

    I second that dandan.

    I like this new top, far more in keeping with 125 years of history….oh well.

    http://www.beautifulgear.com/2011/05/nike-unveils-arsenal-fc-125th-anniversary-kit/n-ar_product_2/

  59. chas says:

    wordpress acting weird again.

    I second that dandan.

    I must say I like this new top, much more in keeping with 125 years of history.

    http://www.beautifulgear.com/2011/05/nike-unveils-arsenal-fc-125th-anniversary-kit/n-ar_product_2/

  60. mickydidit89 says:

    Afternoon all.
    Nice work Chary, thanks.
    I cannot believe this Cesc to Madrid stuff. He would be walking into a couldron of hatred as well as the inevitable post-Maureen instability (RM’s middle name).

  61. goonermichael says:

    “We must rely on our game if we want to win. We can’t play another game to stop them. We are not Inter Milan,” he said.

    “We don’t have the same qualities as Inter Milan. We don’t have a Walter Samuel, Marco Materazzi or Esteban Cambiasso to kick everyone.”

    Nasri could go for as little as £10million this summer as foreign clubs could begin talks about a free transfer as soon as February 2012.

    Doesn’t sound like he’s flattering inter to me.

  62. Hi MDi89 – I have my doubts about Cesc to Madrid, or anywhere this season to be honest as I reckon he’s less likely to go this summer than last.

  63. mickydidit89 says:

    Chary,
    I certainly think it would be Barca or nothing.

  64. On the other hand, we my new found/invigorated hatred of Barca I would larf if he did eventually go to Madrid, MDi89.

    Anyone else bracing themselves for the Shawcross v Ramsey re match on Sunday ?

    That could get uglier than a dyke convention in a dungaree factory.

  65. mickydidit89 says:

    Thought I had finished for the week, and an ugly head has just reared.
    “uglier than a dyke convention in a dungaree factory” is a brilliant note to bugger off on 🙂

  66. goonermichael says:

    The dyke comment is funny.

  67. goonermichael says:

    “[But] football is not a supermarket where you go and say ‘I want a good player, give me one please’. You must find them and in the middle of the season to find a player who strengthens Arsenal is not easy.

    Very apt considering the post.

  68. Evonne 2 says:

    Chary – it took me hours and a lot of money to get an internet connection in Warsaw, but having read your post I admit that it was well worth it! Cheers!

    You guys call Szczesny- Chesny and now I have started calling him that! My silly brother has asked me yesterday who the hell is Chesny??!! Honestly….

  69. 26may1989 says:

    A mark of a classy football club (not): just spoke to a United supporting mate (Northern Irish, lives in London – need I say more?). He has a season ticket and goes to the delights of Salford for every home game. But he’s been excluded from the ballot for European Cup Final tickets because he opted out of buying League Cup tickets. Our tickets might be more expensive but you wouldn’t catch Arsenal doing that to us.

  70. Good to see you hear Evonne and glad you could make it on; quite funny that your brother asks “who is Chesney?” 🙂

    In one short season Chesney has been taken to our hearts in a way Moonie Almunia hasn’t over 5 seasons.

  71. goonermichael says:

    We’re known for doing that to English names let alone Polish names we have to check the spelling on. He is one of the best things to come out of this season.

  72. That’s your identikit ManUre fan 26.

    Just like my brother in law, from New Zealand, lives in London, never been anywhere near Manchester in his life.

  73. Evonne 2 says:

    London – why do you think Cesc is likely to join RM? Have I missed some info? He is a Catalan, doubt he would want to play for Real. Also, if he wants trophies he is as likely to get them here as in Madrid

  74. Evonne 2 says:

    26may – oooooooh, I feel so sorry for your mancunian mate… Serves him right!

  75. goonermichael says:

    I’d never feel sorry for a manc.

  76. London says:

    Hi Evonne

    There are far too many “zeds” in his name for us to cope with.

  77. 26may1989 says:

    When did you become Evonne 2? And why?? Or better question, what have you done with the original Evonne? We must have answers………

  78. goonermichael says:

    She’s in Poland I think

  79. London says:

    Evonne

    Hooooold your horses, there is a world of difference between thinking an idea is plausible and believing that it will happen.
    I am well aware the Cesc is Catalan but I no longer think that Barça would be interested in him; they simply do not need him. Remember, it was the previous president that put in the offer for him and that was politically motivated; that’s to say, he was doing it more out trying to get re-elected than out of the need for the player. You may also remember that Guardiola never once said he would like to sign him and as soon as the new Barça president was elected he apologised to Arsenal in particular to Arsene Wenger for the behaviour of his predecessor.
    Fabregas did himself no favours in the Camp Nou, let’s face it he was pants, the silver lining as I have said before is that he is extremely unlikely to be going there this summer………but that will not stop Real “instability” Madrid from coming in and making a ridiculous offer which is the crux of why I think Real Madrid is more plausible destination.
    But, if I my life depended on making a decision as to whether he will stay or go my guess would be that he will stay and I will be very happy about that too.

  80. 26, I’m guessing it’s because as Evonne has had to log on from a different location she has had to re-register on wordpress.

  81. Evonne 2 says:

    26may – I am a different person when I am in Poland 🙂
    No, I did try to log in as the good old Evonne, but I was prompted that the username has already been taken

  82. Wonderman says:

    Looks like Bendtners gone then….Wenger has uttered the immortal words ‘ I would like him to stay…’

  83. Evonne 2 says:

    London – thank you for the explanation. Ok, I can relax now, Francesc is staying put.

  84. goonermichael says:

    The cheapest season ticket at our club now costs more than the most expensive at Old Trafford. Does this sound like value for money to us Gooners

    Just read this on the online gooner. I have a client with 2 £1500 or £3000 manc season tickets. (cant remember if it was 3k each or for 2)

  85. 26may1989 says:

    Some other Polish names to grapple with this afternoon (selected from a list of my colleagues in Warsaw): Malgorzata Dobrzynska-Dabska, Anna Garbula-Węgrzynowska, Zbigniew Golebiowski, Patrycjusz Zamorski, Andrzej Wisniewski, Katarzyna Komorowska-Wachulec and Magdalena Piszewska.

  86. London says:

    “I would like him to stay”

    Adebayor, Toure, Flamini, Diarra it goes on and on.

    Nikki Pink Boots the writing is on the wall.

  87. London says:

    Hi Anna, I can manage that one lol

  88. Wonderman says:

    Exactly London

  89. 26may1989 says:

    Phew, glad to hear the bodysnatchers haven’t nabbed Evonne. Hope you’re having a nice visit back to Polska.

    GM, that’s not quite correct about the prices of United season tickets vs Arsenal’s. The United season tickets (like many other clubs’) exclude the cost of cup matches from their headline price, whereas we get seven CL and FA Cup matches in ours. So, while it’s true to say our tickets are more expensive than theirs, the difference isn’t quite as bad as it might appear to be.

    Plus when you buy an Arsenal season ticket, you don’t have to schlep to some godforesaken wasteland outside a decrepit city in a far-off region, only to be surrounded by plastics sitting in a building with as much character as an MFI Superstore and watching a team of no-marks playing on a ploughed field, being assisted to the title by compliant referees.

    Bitter, moi?

  90. London says:

    So you like Manchester 26m lol

  91. London says:

    I’m bored, so what’s going to be the principle forward line for next season?

    Van Persie and who?

  92. London says:

    Perhaps no Van Persie?

  93. 26may1989 says:

    And it rains there. A lot.

    (London: Don’t tell anyone but I do quite like Manchester, had a great time there in the late 80s to mid 90s, when I was going out with a girl from Bury. It’s just United and now City I can’t stand. And some of the locals aren’t up to much either….)

  94. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    (9+9+8),

    Your 4:47; Malgorzata Dobrzynska-Dabska, Anna Garbula-Węgrzynowska, Zbigniew Golebiowski, Patrycjusz Zamorski, Andrzej Wisniewski, Katarzyna Komorowska-Wachulec and Magdalena Piszewska; sounds like a splendid scrabble argument! 🙂

  95. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Hi Evonne2, 🙂

    Hiding behind all this Poland stuff — Hah!

    This name change is a brazen attempt to get closer to your knee touching, numeric friend, with an alpha -numeric counter!

  96. Evonne 2 says:

    26may – where do you get them from??? I can barely pronounce some of those names 🙂

    London – Van Persie 2 ie injury free Robin in good form, but experience tells me that AW will unearth some completely unknown raising star OR Ryo will join us?

  97. 26may1989 says:

    Do we all need to add a 2 to our names now??

    Oops, have just realised my “name” is mostly numbers….

    And RA, what’s wrong with liking knees?

  98. Evonne 2 says:

    26may – ‘liking knees’ ????????? what’s that all about?

  99. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    I find the (Sky) Bendy quotes from Arsene a bit odd, in that he says he wants him to stay, but he agrees with Bendy that he has not had much game time.
    [Why? Not good enough? Good enough, but too much competition? — What will change next season?]

    AW however, says zip; nothing; nowt about playing Bendy out on the right wing when he does get on.

    As I said earlier, I simply cannot read the workings of our esteemed manager’s mind.

  100. kelsey the psychiatrist says:

    Red Arse

    I will gladly forward you my number 😉

  101. kelsey says:

    I have decided not to read any of the so called exclusives about all our players.At the end of the season we will see who stays and who comes in and life goes on.

  102. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    The numbers identifier thing drives my brain into ecstatic super-drive.

    I never said anything about licking knees! 🙂

    Good mood today — actually got out for an excellent meal, without complications — well other than wanting to get amorous with a great looking waitress and getting a kick under the table from my girlfriend! 🙂 Women eh? You guys know it’s just banter!

  103. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Kelsey, I am sure your doppelganger,[Kelsey the psychiatrist], will prescribe me a nice holiday in Spain with an Arsenal loving blogger! 🙂

  104. Hey, I like this adding an adjective to our log on name. Is it compulsory ?

  105. goonermichael the poncy hairdresser says:

    Good isn’t it

  106. Evonne 2 says:

    You are soooooo mad ha ha ha ha 🙂

    Red Arse – that would be Irish or Peaches, or Evonne 1 going to Spain with you to blog together

  107. What, what , what ?

    Is this an AA road trip to Spain I sense then ?

  108. kelsey says:

    This year we’re going to experience four unusual dates – 1/1/11, 1/11/11, 11/1/11, 11/11/11 and that’s not all.Take the last two digits of ur year of birth-now add the age you will be this year, and the result will be 111 for everyone ! This is the year of Money! This year October will have 5 Sundays, 5 Mondays and 5 Saturdays. This happens only every 823 years.

    so there you are.

  109. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Flounderer? What’s that then? Sounds a bit fishy to me! 🙂

    By the way you are all bonkers, especially Sharkey who started it all!! 🙂

  110. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Kelsey, you numeric genius, I think I’m in love!! 🙂

  111. Evonne 2 says:

    Kelsey – yep, your age + year of birth minus 1900 = 111 because we are in year 11 and our age is calculated year_now – year_of_birth = age

  112. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Goonermichael the poncy hairdresser!

    That’s brilliant! 🙂

  113. Evonne 2 says:

    Red Arse – what about me???????? you fickle character!

  114. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Evonne2,

    Wow! 🙂

  115. No RedA, it’s not a flounderer in the pescatorial sense, just someone who flaps around not knowing where he’s going or what he’s doing.

    That’s me. 🙂

  116. RockyLives the Prestidigitator says:

    Apologies for the radio silence. I have been in a catatonic state for the last 24 hours after being entranced by a Red Arse.

    Chary
    Excellent argument – and knocked up in a jiffy! Quite the accomplishment.
    Personally, although I spend far more time than I should perusing NewsNow, the one type of story of I never click on is the “Arsenal in talks for brilliant Italian midfielder..” kind. They are all just made up, as far as I can see.

    Cesc to RM? Seems unlikely, but who knows? Stranger things have happened (Sol to Arsenal 🙂 ).

  117. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    You are far too modest CharyB, O Great Flounderer. 🙂

    You are highly intelligent and with a sense of humour, and that works for me! 🙂

  118. RockyLives the Prestidigitator says:

    Chary
    I enjoyed the comments today about whom to support in the CL final. After the first leg semi between the Spaniards I, too, had said that I might end up supporting Manure in the final.

    It just shows you should never say things in the heat of the moment. A few days go by, and the idea of me wanting ManUre to win ANYTHING, let alone a CL Final is quite preposterous.

  119. Wow Rocky, that’s some suffix you’ve got there. But true, anything ManUre wins only adds to the bile levels of any right thinking footie fan, gooner or non-gooner.

    Cheers RedA, I actually got it from a chapter of one of my favourite books, “Confessions of a kamikaze cowboy” called “Floundering vagabond” that I can especially relate to.

  120. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Hi Rocky, 🙂

    Glad you could make it! 🙂 I find a little gin a tonic works better for me than a cat a tonic.

    I can’t spell prsstiitd … thingy, so I will have to call you ‘tator’. 🙂

    Cesc has said he will not join another EPL club, if he leaves Arsenal, and culturally he will not want to join Madrid.
    That’s just Maureen stirring things up. B*stard! 🙂

  121. RockyLives the 'tator says:

    Redders 🙂
    If you knew of my Hibernian background you would know how appropriate ‘Tator is. I shall adopt it as my suffix henceforth.

    Glad to hear about your pleasant lunch (you naughty boy). But you didn’t tell us what you ate. As you know, there are more gourmands on this site than you could shake a kebab stick at. They won’t feel satisfied until you have painted the full picture…

  122. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    ‘Tator,

    I am now going to show you my own prestidigitational skills by pressing various buttons and closing down Red Arse broadcasting, allowing the AA evening intelligentsia to surface and carry on diverse communication in peace! 🙂

  123. mickydidit89 cantfindthelongwordbook says:

    Evening all,
    I can’t believe Maureen will still be at Madrid next term. Am I alone on this one?

  124. MDi89 – it does look like Maureen could have upset the powers that be at RM, just like he did at the Chavs.

  125. RockyLives the 'tator says:

    micky
    love the suffix 😀
    I can lend you the long word book if you need it!

    Think you’re right about Maureen – he’ll be gone… I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ancelotti go to RM.

  126. Red Arse the Hypnotist says:

    Rocky the ‘Tator,

    As we posted almost simultaneously, I am back to divulge details of my lovely lunchtime repast.

    I went to the most superb fish restaurant (no names – no pack drill), and had a homely but scrumptious plate of grilled haddock, mushy peas, and fat chips. Delicious! 🙂

    Like me — simple, but honest! 🙂

    Nite, Rockers the Bruce. 🙂

  127. mickydidit89 cantfindthelongwordbook says:

    RA The H,
    You mean cut all your hair (aerials) off?

  128. RockyLives the 'tator says:

    By the way, I’m happy being a ‘tator – but don’t anyone refer to me as a sp*d 😦

  129. Irishgunner says:

    Evening all.

    I’m expecting to make a trip to the Emirates Cup so hope to see some of ye there.

    As for the summer comings and goings,whoever comes comes, whoever stays stays, my poor head can’t take another summer of worrying.

  130. RockyLives the 'tator says:

    To answer an earlier question:
    Who’s up front with RvP?
    I firmly believe that next season is when we’ll see a first choice front two (yes, two) of RvP and Theo…

  131. mickydidit89 cantfindthelongwordbook says:

    Rocky,
    Fat Sam has put himself in the window for the Real job!
    Thanks for the offer of the long word book, but of little use as I can’t find the “look up the meaning of long words” book either. Kinda snookered.

  132. Evonne 2 says:

    oh dear, dear, dear!! Has anybody any views on ManU v Chelsea game? A nil all draw would be nice

  133. RockyLives the 'tator says:

    micky
    But, nevertheless, you have achieved the longest word on here today. Lights and bushels come to mind.

  134. Hi Maire, good to see you again.

    I think a serene state of neutrality is the only way to approach this summer.

    You’ll go loco otherwise.

  135. mickydidit89 cantfindthelongwordbook says:

    Rocky,
    Agree. Theo appears to be moving ever so slowly towards the middle. Great news in my book. It will also clear the path for our new winger.

  136. mickydidit89 cantfindthelongwordbook says:

    Evonne 2,
    Fight, fight, fight!

  137. Evonne – it has to be the Chavs for me; decades of ManUre hatred makes that the only choice.

  138. mickydidit89 cantfindthelongwordbook says:

    Its off for me.
    People coming, things to make smaller, then to make hot.

  139. Evonne 2 says:

    Micky, Chary – I think I hate Chelsea more than ManU. Love them or hate them, one has to agree that Fergie is a genius, by far the best manager alive. Chelsea and their prawn-sandwich brigade are a horrible lot, have done nothing for football, bought Cashley, paid dirty rubles for their trophies and I have lost a dear friend because he is a Chav

  140. Evonne – Fergie is a genius ? I hope we are not going to fall out over this as I like to think you’re my mate.

    Agreed, the Chavs are no angels and there is plenty to dislike about the “bus stop in Fulham” but on this matter we’ll have to agree to disagree as I simply couldn’t stomach the sight of a 19th league title for ManUre and/or a fourth Champions League trophy.

    I fear I will have to stomach at least one of those though by the end of the month. 😦

  141. Red Arse the Mickyhas his own special longword bookacolyte says:

    Rockers,

    Did I mention the bruise on my shin, which went with the haddock, just because I wanted to show my appreciation of the excellent service, and had nothing to do with casually remarking, in passing, that the waitress had a very perky butt. 🙂

    Come on, don’t tell me fibs — when you all heard Fat Sam putting himself forward for the Madrid job, did you not fall about laughing as well as cringe with embarrassment for him! Poor deluded biped! 🙂

  142. RockyLives the 'tator says:

    Redders
    Lady companions, in my experience, never understand the innocent intent in our appreciation of good service from attractive female waiting staff.

  143. Rasp the Cogitator says:

    😆 Rocky

  144. Gooner In Exile says:

    Its all gone a bit silly here today 😀

    As for Mank v Chav game on weekend I would hope for a 0-0 plus lots of sending offs. Preferably Terry, Lampard, Drogba, Vidic, Ferdinand, Rooney and Evra. Cole too would probably be too much to ask.

  145. Big Raddy the Mendacious says:

    A draw with a dodgy refereeing decision in extra time to give the Chavs a point would be best for me, but I fear a relatively easy MU victory.

    More important will be our getting a result at Stoke.

  146. Big Raddy the Mendacious says:

    Food …. let the wife cook a coconut chicken tonight. A whole jar of sweet mango pickle to give it an oriental feel. Absolutely terrible.

    I can’t tell her so I am telling you 😉

  147. goonermichael the poncy hairdresser says:

    A whole jar Raddy? sounds bad

  148. goonermichael the poncy hairdresser says:

    I’m off see you all later

  149. Big Raddy says:

    Soyanara GM

  150. A New Post and 148 comments – I’ll be back 😀

  151. RockyLives the 'tator says:

    God knows what any casual visitor will make of this site if they’ve been reading comments for the last couple of hours.

  152. RockyLives the 'tator says:

    *God = DB10

    Rasp
    Ah, you’re another recruit for the ‘tators…

  153. Big Raddy says:

    I live in a God8 world.

  154. What fun, what damn good fun – it’s worth the nagging just to see you all having such a good time – it’s the mummy in me I’m afraid 😦

    I have to say that Cesc to Real Madrid does seem a complete nonsense to me, he might aswell stay with us and bloody put in a good shift and win us a trophy next season!!!!!!!!!!!!

  155. Had some great banter this afternoon at my local pc shop – was picking up a childs laptop – one of the owners is a mank and there are a couple of gooners and I suspect the young guy looking me strangely was probably a spud – he didn’t say much 😛

    Anyway it’s great to be in a position of strength having just beaten the manks – and to be able to question how they’re top of the table and in the champs league!!!!!!!!

  156. Big Raddy says:

    Hi Peaches. How is the house purchase? I moved last weekend – it was a pig.

    Still is, but I am sure with the Peaches approach to moving logistics all will go smoothly.

    Cesc/RM Unsubstantiated rumour. Until he is wearing another team’s shirt he remains an Arsenal player and our Captain. If he goes I wish him Godsppeed but I cannot believe he would go to RM.

  157. Big Raddy says:

    Beat the CL Winners (both of them), beat the Chavs. Beat MC. There have been highlights as well as dips this season & I always focus on the positives.

  158. We agree Raddy – there is no way he’ll wear a Real Madrid shirt – at least I don’t think he could.

    House purchase is moving slowly – I bet they won’t move slowly once they’re ready for my money!!!!!! Funny time for me, i’ve never bought a property on my own but I’m getting lots of helpful suggestions. I hope you and your lovely wife have settled into your new home.

  159. This mank I spoke to today reckoned they were shoooins for the Champions League Title 😆 I asked him if he’d actually ever seem Barca play and reminded him that during the first half at the Emirates his beloved team had trouble getting on the ball 🙂

  160. Carlito11 says:

    London- this is a quality comment on the vagaries of the blogosphere and I take my hat off to you for nailing it so succinctly: ” there is a world of difference between thinking an idea is plausible and believing that it will happen”. Back of the net!

  161. Carlito11 the Merry-andrew says:

    The comment have made me belly laugh- I just fell about when I got to “Raddy the Mendacious” and his wife’s food 😆 Thanks all for a proper hearty laugh!

  162. Carlito11 the Merry-andrew says:

    In my tiny little blotto blinkered world it was like the build up to a Pete and Dud punchline- pure quality! Nite all

  163. Howdy! This post could not be written any better! Reading this post reminds me of my old room mate! He always kept chatting about this. I will forward this page to him. Pretty sure he will have a good read. Thanks for sharing!

  164. Evonne 2 says:

    Rocky – I was thinking the same, ie if anyone was to read the last comments on this blog,he/she would probably think ‘One flew over the cuckoo’s nest’ 🙂

    however, if you read carefully you’d see that majority agree on Cesc staying with us, Mancs winning nothing this season, Maureen getting a kick up his special arse and Red Arse being very naughty yesterday.

  165. mickydidit89 cantfindthelongwordbook says:

    Is Peaches Nurse Ratchet in disguise?

  166. mickydidit89 says:

    Sorry, trying to leave the long bit in yesterday.

  167. mickydidit89 says:

    Right Football,
    Which of our Main Men cannot make the trip to Stoke.
    Cesc? Diaby (presumably!)? Anyone else?

  168. Gooner in Exile says:

    Nasri too Micky.

  169. Gooner in Exile says:

    And Clichy is a doubt

  170. Evonne 2 says:

    TV’s available

  171. goonermichael the poncy hairdresser says:

    Djurou is a doubt too. Maybe the verminator will be back.

  172. goonermichael says:

    Forgot to go back to my normal name

  173. Big Raddy says:

    Are you saying that Nasri, Diaby, Cesc, Clichy and Djourou are all out?

    I have to write the pre-match …

  174. goonermichael says:

    Nasri, Diaby and Cesc definitely. JD and Clichy are doubts Raddy.

  175. Rasp – are you still in drafts?

  176. Morning all

    New Post

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