All the players in the world and all we need is Messi‏

Morning all

Rocky’s fine post yesterday started to make me think. How many players would you say we were missing to win the Champions League, FA cup, League cup and the Premier League. Now I read most of the comments, I listen to so called Pundits, ex-Arsenal players, Piers Morgan and who ever else has a theory and I am a little confused as to what most ‘Arsenal Predictors’ would actually want.

How do we change Arsenal’s Jekyll and Hyde character. What makes one week different to another. For instance, let us take one Arsenal Player at random and see what many of our supporters have said. When I had a little dig at Theo a short while ago, many were quick to jump to Theo’s defence.

Now here we have a player who had not been available for a whole season. A season is a really long time in a young man’s  career, but before that injury he was out for a while with something else and before that a shoulder that needed surgery and before that another shoulder injury.

How Theo has scored so many goals for the amount of injuries is absolutely amazing. But he has and his record for goals to  the actual games played is not too bad at all. We have Diaby who is a bit of an enigma, a  player who showed so much promise only to end up a walking wounded. Diaby’s games played for I believe 9 years at Arsenal amount to just over a hundred and twenty, a poor return when we have around sixty games a season. Diaby will be leaving us at the end of this season as his body just cannot take any more punishment.

Where do we look next? Jack Wilshere. Where do I start? Jack has had ankle, leg, knee, you name it Jack has had it and he is still unavailable. The Arsenal ‘crocks’ list is as long as your arm and if you held any of these players arms up with the weight of the list you could add a broken arm as well.

Now before you all start shouting and supporting said players, think about why you have left comments that we need certain players. We have all been guilty of asking the manager for top class players and why do we look at top 4 as a trophy. Just looking at Arsenal’s injury list over the last few seasons, tells us why Arsenal have only one FA cup in 9 years.  Many have called for a change of Manager, even our No 2 has had his critics but answer me this, how can you plan a season when you have no idea who will be available? Top 4 armed with what Wenger has had to deal with is somewhat amazing, that is definitely not where we need change.

We have heard how Giroud is not top quality. He’s too slow and clumsy. Misses more chances than he scores, but when you look at his goals he is up there with the best in the league. Rocky asked us could we see Gareth Bale in an Arsenal shirt if it were possible, surprisingly a mix of yes and no in the comments.  Would Bale’s huge price bring us the trophies we crave or is it just that if he were available why not buy him. Would he fit into our squad and who makes way for him, would he just slide into a position left, or would we have to change our system to accommodate him?

Wenger is the man who has our future mapped out, he will know who is available and what we need to improve on what we have at the moment> He knows where our weaknesses are and who he will try and get when the transfer window opens. If Lionel Messi  became available  he is the one player who could pick any club in the world.  If he wanted to play at another club he could play there, forget about the money, if Messi wanted to move it would happen. Gareth Bale is far from a Messi.

There are 8 premier league games left to sort out who will be Champions. In that time we could lose half of our team to injuries and if our records are anything to go by maybe more. But we could have a little bit of that magic word ‘luck’ and take some of the silverware on offer. In my mind Messi is the only player we need to win things, and he is the only player I would sell anyone of our players to get.

As far as players are concerned I feel its best to leave it up to Arsene and then hope for the best.

Steve Palmer

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68 Responses to All the players in the world and all we need is Messi‏

  1. PV4 says:

    Great post. It’s a tricky one because the players you mentioned on our ever expanding injury list are all very talented. The problem is, every season we take massive hits and effectively produce miracles with two thirds of a squad. Messi? Most fans would think that this is fantasy in the extreme. Indeed, for Arsenal to accommodate such a prized asset it would mean major re-shaping and juggling of the team. But I think it would be possible. Sell many of the injured (albeit unlucky) stars. Cash in on those who would still fetch a reasonable amount. Generate Messi’s wages from this. He is a special talent. Someone who makes the difference – like DB10 in his golden years.

    Yes, it would mean possibly a slightly smaller squad, but we survived the past 3 or 4 seasons on two thirds of a squad and albeit not the kings of the World, we have maintained a high standard envied by the majority in football. Life after all is about moments/chances that make a difference. Maybe it is time for us to do it.

  2. fatgingergooner says:

    12 months ago who would’ve guessed that our current line up would include Ospina, Bellerin, Coquelin and Monreal!? With the likes of Szscesny, Gibbs, Wilshere, Walcott, Jenkinson and Podolski struggling to get games?

    Nobody knows who is going to be the next important player for us, including the manager himself (did he really think a Charlton loan was priming Coquelin for first team action!?).

    Best bet is just to leave it in the lap of the Dennis’s!

  3. fatgingergooner says:

    A player who may be a realistic target is Petr Cech. The guy is world class and still only 32. I remember United buying an ageing Van Der Saar a few years ago and the difference he made to their squad. I like Ospina and Szscesny, but football is ruthless. If you can improve the squad then do it.

  4. PV4 says:

    Would jump at the chance of Cech – but can you really see the inflated one selling to us?

  5. fatgingergooner says:

    PV4

    It would be a tough deal, but stranger things have happened. He will probably end up at Madrid or PSG though.

  6. chas mobile says:

    Ticket ballot results are up apparently.

  7. chas mobile says:

    Fine post, Steve.
    I agree that wanting this player or that player seems a bit of a waste of time to me.
    Obviously some fans like to fantasize which is fine as long as they realise that we’ll usually end up with someone relatively unknown like Koscielny, Gabriel or Giroud.
    Even with our last two stellar signings, they were partly down to the player being deemed surplus to requirements
    In other words who you may want and who is available and affordable are often works apart

  8. chas mobile says:

    ….worlds apart so why torture yourself. 🙂

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  11. PV4 says:

    Surprised they haven’t got Ozil in a bright orange boiler suit with ‘Community Payback’ printed on it – sponsored by The Daily Mail!

  12. ‘afternoon all, a fine post Steve and one that should spark a debate or two.

    There’s no chance that Walcott will be sold this summer, nor for that matter will Wilshere go for the simple reason that we need the “home grown” contingent in the squad.

    Greg Dyke is calling for an increase in the number of “home grown” players in squads and Platini, for once seems to agree with him.

    This morning we’ve been linked with a bid for Smalling, a replacement for Merts who could be on his way out, another boost to the “home grown” faction.

    Last summer’s last minute recruitment of Welbeck may well have been partially influenced by the same motive, Podolski and Campbell both left and another “home grown”, Chambers came in.

    Dyke’s efforts are all very laudable, but are there sufficient high quality “home growns” around?

  13. wally says:

    I think it’s pretty apparent where we need to strengthen.

    Who actually fills those slots is up to the manager. That’s why he’s there isn’t it.

  14. Gööner In Exile says:

    Norfolk the problem with the Platini rule is it expects half the home grown to be from the club, and so the likes of Smalling do not strengthen that department. But never fear Bellerin and Coquelin will both count as club home grown.

    Steve it’s always interesting to consider what we need asyouredtesse say for whatever reason we have to plan for numerous injuries, if those men have picked up injuries playing for us then perhaps it’s right that we stand by them, especially if our medical team haven’t fixed the issue.

    As for the rest, well football teams constantly evolve, a careful balancing act has to be completed to cover for now and for future. We could do the City thing and have players that can’t be named but that seems ridiculous. So it is up to the boss and his directors to plan well.

    That’s why Theo presents a problem, at 26 not a lot of football and entering his prime years he should be a valuable asset, but his injury record tells us that too long a contract and we could be saddled with another Diaby or even BSR before his last season.

    Give him a 4/5 year deal and we could have a real problem going forward, cash in now and replace with a younger less injury prone model and does the squad take a step back, Ox has to be named next season so he has to be worth his place in the squad, Gnabry can fill the shoes of needed but not named, should we cash in on Theo and do nothing with the money?

    All difficult questions answerable by the man who cares as much about the club as we do.

  15. PV4 says:

    Clarkson for PM! BBC just pissed their cash cow down the toilet.

  16. RC78 says:

    I would keep Theo in the squad without a doubt and a 3 years + 1 optional based on performance contract.

    I also think that our future lies with Ox and Ramsey so I would start them both at the middle. It also seems that many teams are now trying to play in a 3-5-2 but it does not suit us and I think we are at our best as a 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-1-2 so based on potential recruitment, here would be my starting XI next year if everyone is fit

    CECH – Debuchy, GARAY, Kos, Gibbs – Ox, BENDER, Ramsey – Ozil – Giroud, Sanchez

    Ospina – Bellerin, Chambers, Bfg, Monreal – Wilshere, Coq – Theo, Cazorla, MEERTENS – Wellbeck

    + Viviano – Zelalem or Bielik – Arteta – Rosicky – Gnabry – Chuba or Campbell (if Campbell leaves, let us sell him)

    OUT: PiG (we can get good cash), Jenks (we can get good cash), Flamster, Diaby, Podolski (good cash), Miyachi (not great cash but still smt), Sanogo (loan)

    I saw that Cech is available for 13.5 Mln EUR – it is a bargain that we should not miss…

  17. Skrtl has been banned for three matches, he’ll miss the Premiership games against Arsenal and Newcastle as well as the FA Cup replay against Blackburn.

  18. stevepalmer1 says:

    Evening all, My apologies for not answering some of your questions as i was at work, but some fine responses.

    Yes of course we stand by our injured as you say injured at the club so we do our bit to support them.

    That said of course i have to mention the negotiations before Theo got injured, Held over a barrel comes to mind. Now i am not certain what Theo was on wages wise before signing a new contract but i can certainly remember what he thought he was worth, as i read it in the paper. Theo wanted a hundred thousand a week as i remember and i would imagine that Wenger would have tried to bargain with him, I can not remember offers flooding in for him but i may be wrong, so i imagine round about 90 grand a week by the time the signature went down.

    Now i am wondering if that deal was a good one as we haven’t actually seen a great deal of Theo, even now his fighting fit we still haven’t seen much of him.

    Maybe its me but i feel Theo held us to ransom over his last contract, but we found common ground and he stayed with us, have we stuck behind Him while he was nursing an injury i believe we have, a whole year off with i suspect full pay. Could Arsenal have done more,

    All our injured get very well looked after Medically and financial the only trouble comes from just how much we will see them and for how long. Of course Arsenal are a rich club, but surely we have to draw a line some where.

    Peter Cech getting on a bit now but still a very good keeper is he worth Ten mill and how long can he last. One thing in Ceck’s favour and that is he wears a crash helmet so at least he has his head protected

  19. RA says:

    A good Post, Steve, well done for stepping into the breach! 🙂

    You have made some interesting observations, and the subject of who is or who is not the right quality in our squad, and who might replace him/them is part of what blogging is all about.

    I am pretty relaxed about what is written on any given subject, as if we all agreed with each other – well – we would go and find someone who did not agree and have a chat with them instead.

    Frankly it is all hot air really, as we are not in possession of all the key information, and I for one am well aware that if I voice a less than favorable comment about player x or y it has to be very subjective, as the thing that might bug me, is possibly exactly what the boss has asked the player concerned to do.

    We all know that – and we also know that listing guys to ‘get the chop’ is just a pre-amble to chatting with those that disagree.
    Equally, listing players who might be suitable replacements, but where there is little evidence or hope that they would want to join us or whether the boss would be prepared to spend on the transfer fee or the salary is also ‘pie in the sky’.

    That is a long-winded way of saying that I agree with the closing paragraph in your Post – “As far as players are concerned I feel it’s best to leave it up to Arsene and then hope for the best” — but that does not preclude us from speculating and indulging in wishful thinking. 🙂

    Theo ‘out’ — in my opinion — unless he is ‘in’ which is also OK – in my opinion. 🙂

  20. chas says:

  21. RA says:

    Reading Norfolk’s 1:01 makes me even more convinced that we are indeed truly honoured to have him share his bounteous knowledge with us – and any thoughts I might have of saying ‘that’s bollix’ are quickly suppressed — and rightly so!

    I just need GoonerB Wormed to turn up and I will prostrate myself in the technological presence of two such deities — and should the Rocker show his fizzog — well my cup will runneth over! 🙂

  22. RA says:

    That thumb says, ‘I do not know who this tall b*stard is but – swivel on this’. 🙂

  23. stevepalmer1 says:

    Evening RA, Now you sound like a man who has it all figured out, I am wondering if maybe you sit on the fence a little bit. Now i know that not to be true as i have been reading your comments for years and you can get a bit uptight.

    I imagine you are having therapy for stress, or smoking some of Raddys lettuce leave’s, but you can’t kid me mate, when you have a Bee in your bonnet you let it out 🙂

  24. RA says:

    Is one of the two baldy blokes, in the background of the ‘photo of some Argentine, the rather bored looking Gazidis?

  25. RC78 says:

    NG – Liverpool has plenty of good back-ups…

    They ll play as a back three – Toure – Can – Sakho

  26. RA says:

    Yes, that may be true, Steve.

    However, a blog is somewhere I come to chat, and enjoy the company, not to fall out with people — and if a bit of vim and vigour engenders more chat that’s good from my perspective – like we are doing now.

    Fence sitting? Never. 😉

  27. stevepalmer1 says:

    Nice one 🙂

  28. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Nice one Steve

    Funny how Theo rubs people up the wrong way? It must be his squeaky clean image and boyish good looks. Ive never liked those sort of people. I was born with a criminal record and my face is a horrendous felony, so stuff Theo.

    Theo should embrace the rubbing up people the wrong way.A few years back I was standing on a crowded bus when some geezer rubbed me up the wrong way. He had clammy hands and the look of a man who had just done battle with a bar of soap.

    I groaned in delight as he clammed his way up my thigh, whispering in his ear “Oh yes baby, that soap didnt know what it was missing” This seemed to put him off, in fact he shit himself and started making his way through the bus masses, I in in hot pursuit yelling “come back we can fight the palm olive together”.

    Messi is class Steve, no doubt about that. the best player since Liam Brady, the man is capable of genius

    I would love him at Arsenal, but alas, can not see him swapping the beautiful women of Barcalona for the delights of Bounds Green. Peroxide blondes who drink more lager than you and insist upon the legalisation of baiting Kebab shop staff with an overgrown gherkin may not be his scene.

    He would have to want to come for other reasons. I once knew this geezer Steve who was a bit of a guru of mine. He taught me all i had to know about Disco and perfect shoe colour. I asked him why he was helping me to which he replied “Terry, i like to win, but I love to share”

    What a guy. I tweaked his philosophy a bit to “I love to win, and sod this sharing crap” and without his knowledge, a few years later ended up sharing his wife

    Lets hope Messi loves to share.

  29. RA says:

    Terry,

    In this day and age we need straight answers – so come clean — it was Cockie, wasn’t it? 🙂

  30. stevepalmer1 says:

    Magnifique whether its spelt like that or not Terry sheer class mate,
    My mrs talks in riddles i dont have a clue what she tries to tell me but that comment is as clear as mud ha ha

  31. RA says:

    It seems to have slipped under the AA radar, but a couple of days ago, Giro was reported as saying, albeit in French, “I do not fart above my bum’.

    Now, I sometimes have come across vernacular expressions used by Brits that have non-plussed me – but this one – I am flummoxed.

    My first reaction was that I do not want to get too close to Giro when he is in full spate, and maybe that is why he has been successful in scoring, by distracting the defenders by a deep and soporific flatulent rumble leaving to cross-eyed asphyxiation.

    My second reaction was that the recipients of his largesse are the best judges of whether his fart remains below his bum, or actually rises above it to assail the nasal passages of a standing – possibly transfixed – defender or innocent bystander in a lift, for example..

    Where is NG? He will know! 🙂

  32. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    hahaha, which one Redders, the Guru or the bus fiddler?

    Cornwalls gone very quiet recently Redders. Probably depressed? I hear those Cornish Buses all have CCTV on them.

    .

  33. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Cheers Steve, I try and make my point as clear as possible without messing about.

    Of couurse I could have just said Theo gets on peoples nerves and Messi would only come for reasons other than money and women.hahaha

  34. stevepalmer1 says:

    Terry, i have come to find that AA has people that can educate me people that make me laugh and people who are day dreamers, my post i have to say is the day dreamer Oh for Messi in Arsenal red and white Please Arsene

  35. RockyLives says:

    Great stuff Steve

    I genuinely believe we could win the Premier League with exactly the squad we currently have, provided we weren’t blighted by injuries.

    Next year we should have a very settled squad with the likes of Alexis, Ozil, OG, Welbz and others all used to playing with each other.

    Gabriel looks a great addition based on the few outings he’s had so far.

    Perhaps if I was pushed to pick one player I would go for a “worldie” goalkeeper like Cech or De Gea, even though Ospina has been playing well.

    In essence Steve I think I agree with you: we need a break from injuries (pun intended) and the rub of the green.

  36. Big Raddy says:

    Steve. Another fine post. Thank you.

    As to Messi …. I don’t think he would look very good in the home kit. The white shorts tend to make short chaps look like midgets and this affects their form.

    Just look at what happened to the Russian, Arshavin. Every team in Europe was after him. He signed for us, did fine up at L’pool in the away kit but at home he faded and is now in Zenit reserves.

    Why? Because he looked like a meerkat in the white shorts and played like one.

    The same would happen to Messi.

    Another similarity between Arshavin and Messi is that both have a weakness for a pie; our new home kit has lycra shirts which are unflattering to a player who eats seconds (and thirds). You might notice that Barca don’t use these tailored shirts preferring to use classic fit. Now you know why – because Messi is carrying timber.

    For these reasons Messi will not sign for AFC

  37. Big Raddy says:

    Rocky. Agree about the squad. We could have been contenders ……

  38. stevepalmer1 says:

    Nice one Rocky, I did feel like you that we had the players, but now i am not so sure. Injuries are a way of life at Arsenal. and if i spoke the truth i wouldn’t be at all surprised if anyone of our players had a six month injury in our next game

    I like Sanchez, but i have been waiting, for all the time he has been with us to go down injured, Sanchez is one that needs protecting from himself as he will go for as long as he is able. I feel he is burning himself out and when players like him play as he does i cringe with every tackle his involved in.

    We have paid 35 mill for him, and that’s a fee i never thought i would live to see but of course that was a lot less than we paid for Ozil and he did live up to expectation, by getting injure pretty early.

    Now i realise that certain players are reaching their sell by date and i feel i wouldn’t predict next season before i see our replacements, First team 11 looks ok but our back uo is i feel more important, i dont believe we have suitable back up just yet, to win much at all.

  39. chas says:

  40. RockyLives says:

    Steve
    I’ve got a funny feeling we are going to start getting past our ridiculous injury problems. The club is investing a lot of effort and money into finding a solution and it was never going to come overnight (I’m baffled when people slag off poor old Chad Forsythe).

    Obviously we’ll still get injuries but if we can suffer them at a on average level for the EPL then I’ll be happy.

  41. stevepalmer1 says:

    Evening Raddy, I wish it was just the shorts as i wouldn’t mind buying him a pie every week, timber or not that guy can fell tree’s

  42. RockyLives says:

    BR
    A fine theory – but how do you explain Santi?

  43. Big Raddy says:

    Interesting you should bring up Cazorla. He has tried to get around the problem by wearing his shirt over his shorts thus reducing his apparent height even further. This has given him an advantage insomuch as the opposition either cannot see him or think he is a child. It works.

    Wilshire does the same and takes it even further by spending much of the game lying on the ground thereby disguising his shortcomings.

    Steve. Have you been to Piebury Corner? They serve some of the best pie, mash and mushy peas in the world. Highly recommended

  44. stevepalmer1 says:

    Hope your right Rocky, its about time we had a bit of a run with a full squad. Lets hope we can start off the new season with all of the raring to go

  45. stevepalmer1 says:

    I am afraid i have not Raddy, but i was brought up on pie and mash but that was Shorditch. We have a shop near where i am now, but its a sad reflection of what i remember.

  46. Gööner In Exile says:

    Want to know what’s wrong with British football……read the curious case of Jack Harper. An academy player at Real Madrid, 6ft1 but a little to sleight to make the Scotland U’19 team whose manager would prefer a bit more height, strength and running.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32052408

    I haven’t seenthe lad play but let’s be honest if you’ve scored 3 goals in the UEFAYouth League and have a 5 year contract with Madrid I’m guessing your better than someone plying their trade at Aberdeen?

  47. RockyLives says:

    BR
    Thank you- I understand now 😊

  48. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Podolski scoring for Germany. Why is he so much better for his country than for his clubs?

    Lord Bentdnter a hatrick for Denmark (and the last one was a cracker). The same

  49. Big Raddy says:

    Didit.

    Is the surf really that good?

  50. chas says:

  51. mickydidit89 says:

    Morning all
    Been away 5 days work Raddy
    Kept up with AA reading, so thanks Steve, Steve, Steve and Rocky

    Funniest bit/ Rocky’s monkeys on the inside at the safari park 🙂

    Most depressing: Arsene saying there’s more to come from Ollie. So out of the CL early again next term as well then 😦

  52. mickydidit89 says:

    ha ha great tweet Chas 🙂

  53. chas says:

    It looks better on twitter as the comment is meant to be before the photo but wordpress swaps them round for some reason.

    Did Peaches, LB and 26 get tickets for the semi-final in the ballot?

  54. mickydidit89 says:

    Dunno

    Mind you, there’re not the same calibre of fan as you, what with away points and shit, so don’t deserve to go 🙂

    Big games should be for the most hard core dedicated fans and those with contacts 🙂

  55. mickydidit89 says:

    “they’re” for language snobs 🙄

  56. chas says:

    While we’re about it…….you can’t pluralise words by putting apostrophe s on the end of them.
    They denote possession or missing letters, that’s all. 🙂

  57. RA says:

    Yessss yous canss

  58. mickydidit89 says:

    It’s genitive I know Chas. Did Latin. Just don’t care.

    Then again, you can’t wear clothing made from nylon, but some do 🙂

  59. mickydidit89 says:

    Ok, a zillion things’ to catch ups’ with 🙂

  60. RA says:

    Chas,

    I think grammar is very flexible.

    For example:

    — My grandma prefers to sign birthday cards with k’s and h’s instead of x’s and o’s. Or;

    — Is there a way to remember how many t’s are in the word commitment? Or;

    — People are divided as to what’s best—90s or 90’s, 20s or 20’s?
    [Temperatures/Money denominations.]

    You want me to shut up – don’t you? 🙂

  61. chas mobile says:

    RA
    It should be ‘k’s or ‘h’s, then there’s no confusion. 🙂

  62. RA says:

    I loves ya, Chas! 🙂

  63. Big Raddy says:

    Rubbish. It should be – with love and best wishes, Grandma

  64. Big Raddy says:

    Good to see Didit alive and well, though it is just not good enough to put work ahead of AA

  65. Big Raddy says:

    Peaches/Rasp. One in the loading bay. I can publish at 09.30

  66. Morning Raddy, thank you that will be perfect if you can publish – can you change the banner too please 🙂

  67. Big Raddy says:

    There is a new post

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