Will Arsenal Win The League? No Reffin’ Chance

There appears to be something of a debate about what portents the Newcastle game holds for the season ahead.

Those choosing to see the positives were encouraged by a defence so impregnable that not even John Terry’s mighty and unruly member could hope to penetrate it.

Others, seeing the negatives, despaired of an attack so bereft of creativity that if it were a painting it wouldn’t even get a place on the wall in Tony Hart’s Vision On, as the camera pans quickly past the offerings in this week’s “crap our viewers sent us” section.

What I saw was something to depress both those who wear rose-tinted spectacles and those who prefer the shite-tinted variety.

It was yet another example of Arsenal losing points because of the subconscious refereeing conspiracy against us.

The Barton-Gervinho spat has been discussed ad nauseam.

Yes, Gerv had to go for raising his hand, but Barton should have been red carded for throttling our new signing – and Arsenal should have had a penalty for Barton’s assault.

Apparently Barton reads a lot of philosophy. Well, he’s clearly a complete Kant. And a total Hippocrates, who’s dragging our game into the Goethe.

But what the furore has obscured is the fact that Gervinho was quite obviously tripped in the box in the first place for what should have been a bang-on penalty before the heir to Plato even had a chance to get his fingers round his throat.

And before that?

How about Taylor’s flying elbow into Sagna’s head very early in the first half? Taylor led with the elbow, made no attempt to get the ball and could have inflicted serious damage on our right back. It was also a straight red card assault, but none of the four officials on duty noticed it.

Admittedly, Song’s stamp on Barton was also missed by those highly trained officiators, who clearly need to go to SpecSavers.

In the second half, Sagna, again, was the victim of a throttling by either Obertin or Guttierez (sorry, can’t remember which one) as both players were running for a ball deep in Arsenal’s half. The same sort of throttling that earned Abou Diaby a red at Newcastle last season.

Barton’s dives all resulted in free kicks for the home side; Arsenal players had to be virtually rugby tackled before referee Walton would put the whistle to his lips.

Frankly we should no longer be surprised.

They say that referees’ decisions even themselves out over the course of a season. Well, from an Arsenal perspective, for several years now our seasons have been about as even as the Himalayas.

I have written before about how I think that referees have a subconscious agenda against Arsenal. Essentially, they see us as a foreign team playing in an English league and this leads to preconceptions that (a) our Johnnie foreigners all cheat and (b) they don’t like it up ‘em.

So, on his Premiership debut, our new African attacker, recently signed from the French league, gets tripped in the box and an inept official decides it must have been a dive. He’s not sure, so he doesn’t stop to book him for simulation in case the TV cameras prove him to be incompetent, but he doesn’t give the penalty either.

Likewise with the Barton-Gervinho scuffle. Barton can assault our player – that’s just a red-blooded Englishman showing passion. Just a yellow card for “getting a bit carried away”. Gervinho, of course, gets a red for what must have been a meaty right hook, right? That tough Barton fellow wouldn’t fall to the ground like that unless he had been seriously hurt would he?

I estimate that last season refereeing mistakes – whether from incompetence or from subconscious bias –cost us at least 12 points. The worst example all year was in Saturday’s corresponding fixture, when Phil Dowd pulled on a black-and-white striped shirt and started playing for the Geordies.

His appalling performance that day left us utterly demoralised and I have little doubt that it was that result, rather than the Carling Cup final, that set the tone for our late-season collapse. If Dowd had made just one less mistake we would have still won 4-3 and our title charge may well have stayed on track.

I don’t expect this season to be any different. As Saturday showed, we will continue to get the crappy end of the stick – the one that’s covered in essence of Barton.

It means we probably have to be effectively 10 points better than Man Utd to have a chance of pipping them to the title by just a point.

I’m not sure what we can do about it.

Just be philosophical I suppose…

RockyLives

295 Responses to Will Arsenal Win The League? No Reffin’ Chance

  1. WiganGooner says:

    Great article Rocky, really enjoyed it.

    I’ve got to shoot out for a few hours. See you all in the comments later.

    WG

  2. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Thank you for writing yet another post Rocky, and while very well written as usual, I totally disagree. Its not that we should’ve been down to ten before the incident with Barton, its that to add any fuel to any fire suggesting that we did’nt take three points for any other than footballing reasons is straw clutching.
    I am very sorry to be critical when someone puts time and effort into writing.

  3. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ossie,
    Cheating eh? Barton must be some powder puff, still hopes he’s recovered from such a severe right hook.

  4. Bergs says:

    you forgot the parallels to last season – Eduardo dives against Celtic then Rooney DOES NOT dive (when the ball had left the stadium) because he is English. Set the scene for a season when Cesc’s elbow gave Tottscum a win vs us, but Wolves salvaged a draw with a exact same defensive elbow.

    Go figure.

  5. Shriram says:

    Philosophy puns ftw!

    Barton could have been a truly talented worldclass player. Its sad to see him become Robbie Savage instead.

    I feel sorry for the guy. What a waste…

    And Song getting banned might actually be good for us, we dont need 3 central midfielders, now that we are no longer carrying Cesc.

    Wilshere and Ramsey are good enough. Play more people in attack for fucks sake. We hardly had a move worth remembering in the attacking third.

    Playing RVP, who is about as mobile as Ibra, as a lone striker is a recipe for disaster. We need a pacy tireless runner, someone like Tevez up front, and RVP playing just off him. Go get him Arsene!

  6. red dan says:

    why should we have to rely on sub-standard refs if we know whats going to happen? surely the simple solution! and tell me if im wrong… is to put out a team of highly skillfull motivated players that want to win for there badge/team/fans at all costs when they step on to the field (sorry i just have these ridiculous ideas occasionally)
    but lets all remember the MANAGER picks the team and motivates them.. nice one Wengy! it seems his new aim is to erase all the wonderfull things he has done for OUR club (not his)

  7. Camberwell Gooner says:

    Great post and very thought-provoking too.

    I agree that the CITB (c*** in the black) and his assistants were utterly, utterly incompetent but at the same time I think saying there’s a conspiracy against us is the kind of territory where angels fear to tread. I feel the problem is that they’re just shit. Either way, it amounts to the same thing.

    Barton aside, how many snide little digs and sly fouls will that slag Steven Taylor get away with? For me there’s not nearly enough attention paid to that pathetic excuse for a footballer – not enough people talk about him. His leading elbow was a case in point but that’s by no means the first dirty little piece of assault I’ve seen him dish out.

    I want to ask everyone about their take on this. Forget that ex-con Barton, who pretends to be into philosophy – he’s about as into that as I am into reading up on the latest brain surgery techniques.

  8. a says:

    Spot on.

  9. VCC says:

    Spot on Rocky.
    I have been saying this for a few years now. Not sure what the agenda is against us, but it smacks of bias???
    My pet hate is for the ManUre, if you look at the decisions that go their way and the one;s against us I feel “If the boot was on the other foot scenario” what would have happened if that was a United player.
    Can you imagine if Rooney was being man handled off the floor and Taylor joining in against a Red Devil, would the same out come be reached? ABSOLUTELY NOT, I would bet my house on it.
    No one has mentioned on any site I go on about the fact Barton went about his business after the game to shake the Arsenal players, well call it bad sportsmanship or what you like, If I was Arsenal manager I would be furious if ANY of my players shook his hand, we should have taken a leaf out of Wayne Bridge’s book and ignored the runt.
    I do feel though we have not got any one that is prepared to stand up for our young side, ala Adams Vieira, I can remember many occasions where these two guys went up to the opposition and had a word in their ears, you can bet they said something like, “Pick on me next time and not the youngsters” enough said, that would be enough for them to back off because they knew what would be coming their way if they tried it again. I wish we had a Frank McLintock at the moment he would sort things out.

  10. Rasp says:

    Hi Micky, I have cleansed the site of that particular comment, but thanks for bothering to respond to the moron.

  11. Begeegs says:

    I would agree that the ref got it wrong, but to say that it cost us points is well wide of the mark. In no way did we deserve to win the game – we were really poor. Two shots on goal the entire game isn’t going to win you many games and people are also saying how defensively we were superb, but Newcastle were equally toothless, so it really wasn’t much of a test. If we end up having the same display at home against Udinese, it is going to be an interesting night for fans at the Emirates.

  12. Abulela says:

    Great Article. I totally agree with you!

  13. Osi says:

    well written piece. Last season I calculated the difference refeereing mistakes between Arsenal and ManU and it was was 12 v 5 equal to a clear 7 point punishment for Arsenal. that’s the way I saw it.

    The worst refereeing mistakes were against Sunderland in March I think (2 mistakes; a goal dissallowed for AA; a clear penalty and sending off a Sund Player). that was the clearest 3 points one can loose and all in the last 10 mins of the game.

  14. Oscar says:

    If Phil Dowd made one less mistake in this fixture last season, Newcastle could’ve won 5-4 as Leon Best had a legit goal ruled out for offside.

    It’s this victim mentality that means that we will fail to win the league again. Even when the ref’s decisions were going against us in this fixture last season, we were still 4-0 with 22 minutes to go. Why did we shit ourselves when Newcastle managed to pull one back. It’s because this “everyone is against us” attitude, means that in the face of adversity, we just give up.

  15. Red Arse says:

    Spot on as usual Rocky! 🙂

    In one of the papers this morning, Graham Poll, an obnoxious individual in his own right, said that the ref had made several mistakes.

    I made the point yesterday, that Walton after waving play on, following the penalty area trip on Gervinho, raced away up field with his back to play. Therefore he did not see the ‘heroic’ Barton assault on a prostrate player who he tried to strangle while he was still on the ground.

    Poll said that all refs know who the ‘difficult’ players are, and are told to keep an eye on them after there is an ‘incident’.
    He criticised Walton for not doing this after the ‘no-penalty incident’, when he should have kept his eye on the player(s) involved.
    Poll described that as a school boy refereeing mistake.
    My own view is that these ‘difficult’ players should be kicked out of football. Why should referees be told to treat them differently just because they are disgusting shit-heads?
    Football does not need players like that!

    Because of this mistake, the ref did not see the crazy Barton strangling attempt. If he had, Barton would have seen a red card, and the Gervinho slap would not have occurred.

    There was more from Poll about Walton’s mistakes, but I’m bored with the crassness of both Barton AND the incompetence of the ref. Neither of them should be on a professional football pitch!
    Same old, same old.

    Song was also stupid to react to Barton (again) but I think what he did is not reflected in my understanding of the word ‘stamp’.
    He clearly ‘trod’ on Barton’s calf, and was greeted by the inevitable melodramatic Barton agonized face.
    — Come on Song — you are a cerebrally challenged chump who let Barton get one over on you, again. If you are going to ‘stamp’ at least put some effort into it – you wuzz!

    A three game ban awaits Song — that’s all we need at a difficult period in our season, and with the outflow of our best players!
    I am more cross about this lack of professionalism, than the sickening Barton manipulation of a weak referee.
    Song’s misdemeanour was self inflicted and will cost us. Prat!

  16. pat says:

    he couldn’t be on the field but lil Jack stood up for him:

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/943707/joey-barton-continues-twitter-offensive-on-gervinho-red?cc=3436

    Also Szczęsny ran in to get in there. Verminator was in Bartons face too. Guys – I think we are about to see an era of a tougher Arsenal. I agree with the article, but the referee bias is nothing new. With our solid defence and the ability to bitch slap ex cons to the ground with an open hand (Barton must have got his yellow for diving – what an absolute coward you are…), we are showing that we aren’t f***ing around. It totally sux that the refereeing is a disgrace – I think the bias is less of a factor than just sheer incompetence. However the lads just need to get out there and show we aren’t going to be out muscled in this league.

    It is so good to see the Verminator back. I would rather see him be the captain and let Van Persie focus on scoring goals. This is no disrespect to Van Persie at all he is a great player but the Verminator is the skipper for mine…

  17. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Pat,
    Regarding your: “I think we are about to see an era of a tougher Arsenal” when the camera cut to Sonny Liston (sorry Frimpong) limbering up, I thought he had taken his shirt off in readiness. Yip, I thought, way to go!

  18. Camberwell Gooner says:

    Pat and Micky, I’m with you on that point. I thought the boys gave as good as they got on Saturday and could have easily been cowed. And bulled.

    My taxi’s outside.

  19. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I have to admit to being overcome by a wave of hope and optimism following the sale of The Spaniard.

  20. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Is that “My taxi’s outside” like a GM “I’ll get me coat”?

  21. Camberwell Gooner says:

    It certainly is. With the meter running, so if you’ll excuse me…

    *grabs coat, slinks towards the exit looking sheepish*

  22. goonermichael says:

    I totally agree with the post. Which is well writen. However we should really be able to at least trouble the keeper of a shite team like that. barton is indeed a cnut

  23. GoonerForLife says:

    Let’s not blame the ref on our inability to win silverware please, we always look for excuses and I think its time we take responsibility for our own failures.

    Not winning the league last season when it was completely winnable was all on us and our poor mental strength. Sure we had some bad calls along the way, but we were not the only team.

  24. Billy Wilbur says:

    Mike:
    I think the article is a very important one. Look up untold ref. That has interesting articles about the anti-arsenal agenda. Interestingly enough though, the bias against Liverpool is equally as strong.
    I would rather people concentrate on why United are viewed favourably. One thing is certain; If this does indeed go on then it WILL be outed eventually. If both the BBC and the Guardian have done articles about untold ref’s conclusions then it will cause the FA to look seriously at the implications. After all, you cannot keep ignoring the opinions of FA certified refs. My hope is that instead of being seen to be doing the right thing, the FA will actually make 100% sure that their refs are totally unbiased. Equally important is that the ‘Old Trafford’ effect and the intimidation of referees (documented on by actual refs of actual United games) is not allowed to continue for a single match more!
    The way forwards is for ALL clubs that come up against United bias should get together and send videos and refs reports to the FA.
    As far as Arsenal is concerned, the fact that we have an increasing number of home-grown British talent will probably start to reverse the anti-arsenal bias and so just sorting out the Old Trafford effect will be sufficient.
    Let’s look at a couple of other points that are key:
    Firstly, United were quite appalling away from home last season and in my mind it was only continued biased reffing that finally gave them the belief that they were actually a decent team that won them the title. For the last couple of seasons they have been allowed to get away with murder at old trafford. Vidic should certainly have been red carded on 3 occasions and you can be sure that a CB in any other team would have been had they done the same.
    Secondly, Dowd was the reason the wheels came off our season. Even my friends that are Newcastle fans said he was a wrong ‘un.
    What needs to happen is that the punters are neutral and the FA are continually reminded of the bias that 100% does go on in United’s favour.
    Great article. Let’s hope something is done by the FA. They do act eventually, even f it takes them a long time. That is understandable.

  25. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Lets score a goal and sod the ref.
    Rocky, I do agree the ref was useless, but then again, I have an healthy disrespect for most people in costumes. (Refs, police and pantoists wear costumes as far as far as I’m concerned).
    Work.

  26. matt says:

    What a load of b*llsh*t………… Gervinho was stupid and fell into Bartons trap…..he was given a red card ….correct decision, Barton should have seen red for pulling G up by the shirt but how many times have you seen the refs only give a yellow for that….virtually every time. Song should have had a red for his cowardly stamp on Barton, that sort of thing is a disgrace at any time ….but it is not the sort of thing I expect a gunner to resort to!!! As for the parallels with last year….well dopy Diaby reacted exactly as he was supposed to and ultimately cost us the game and did more damage than was realised to the teams confidence. Personally I don’t rate either Song or Diaby, I don’t believe that they are good enough for any side who are serious about challenging for the top trophys.

    Lets get real and get rid of all of the average wasters who are quite happy sitting around either on the subs bench or on the treatment table while they are paid tens of thousands of pounds in wages they would never get at any other club! And lets get rid of the man responsible for filling the squad with these bunch of bl**dy time wasters …… name Arsene Wenger, any other manager would have been sacked years ago for his continuing waste of club money & resources……. and for now putting us in the position of not being able to sell players who are under contract because their wage demands will not be met buy any possible buyers

  27. I’m not sure that there is a conspiracy against our Glorious Gunners, but it does no harm to suggest there is.

    The seige mentallity is a well proven ploy to get the squad to gell and fight (not in a literal sense of course) for each other.

    I would like to see one of our players use the “scholes ploy” ie get in a very early and dirty tackle on an opposition player perceived as a threat, this usually only results in a warning, from the ref, and a certain amount of trepidation on the part of the, now lesser, threat.

    F******s has gone let’s move on. Spend the money wisely, Mr.Wenger, no more kids, buy some battle-hardened proffesionals and let’s put a bit of steel into our game.

  28. WiganGooner says:

    @Matt

    How can a manager who is criticised for not spending money be also responsible for wasting money? Song actually played well apart from him treading on Barton…lets be clear, it wasn’t a stamp.

    I agree, Diaby was caught with a simple, rope-a-dope tackle by Barton, but going down to 10 men at 4:0 is no reason to lose the game.

    I think you need to chill out a little. In sunday league I used to get all sorts of digs and kicks and stamps…it happens in football because its a passionate game. Song didn’t stamp on Barton, if he had he’d probably have broken Barton’s ankle with the angle it was at the time.

    WG

  29. VCC says:

    Just watched the pictures of Fabregas kissing the Barca badge. Seems so strange. Never mind lets move on. Wenger spend some money ON EXPERIENCED/OLDER players, NO MORE CHILDREN, for a while.

  30. London says:

    Good post Rocky

    I think you spotted something that no one else has mentioned: after Gervinho was brought down in the box which as you point out was missed by the ref, play continued until Barton grabbed Gervinho. That was a foul and a penalty should have been given, granted Gervinho slapped Barton which as the rules say is a red card but this was a secondary offence the first was the foul on Gervinho by Barton (which grabbing him by the throat was) and a penalty should have been awarded.

  31. London says:

    VCC

    Do you regard AOC and JC as children because if so how can you not see that they are not pencilled in to become first team regulars until two season’s time. If on the other hand they break into the first team before then who is going to complain.

    If these are not the CHILDREN, I will use upper case because it makes what I say appear more important, you are talking about then who are they Gibbs, Wilshere, Szeczney…..who has been signed that has stopped an EXPERIENCED/OLDER player joining the club?

  32. neamman says:

    The reality is we see more Arsenal games than MU games so we notice our bad decisions more than theirs.

  33. Big Raddy says:

    “Apparently Barton reads a lot of philosophy. Well, he’s clearly a complete Kant. And a total Hippocrates, who’s dragging our game into the Goethe.”

    Yet another example of the genius of RL.

    It is not an excuse for a poor performance to point out the refereeing aberrations. However, the clear penalty would have given us a decent chance to get 3 points, therefore it does have relevance.

    I like the idea of all 11 Arsenal players falling to the round the next time someone dives: they won’t do it but it would be very funny! Thinking of which yesterday’s CHelsea game was subject to some terrible diving, Lampard being the worst when he dived over a trailing leg then looked at the cameras to express his astonishment and innocence. The FA said they would stop simulation yet it appears to be on the rise once more.

  34. VCC says:

    Fabregas has just said “I am fine and fit ready to play” when asked if he would play against Real in the next game.
    Well, someone has been telling lies these past few weeks?????

  35. WiganGooner says:

    @London,

    I think VCC, like a lot of Arsenal fans would like a player for now, not for two seasons time. I can agree with the sentiment. I don’t want to stall a young talent, but we do have deficiencies in our squad and it needs addressing with a player who can make the step up immediately.

    WG

  36. VCC says:

    London
    i am not getting into an arguement with you. I am merely giving my oppinion. I feel very strongly that we would be better with one or two more experienced players than keep buying youth.
    Even my Daughter had just watched sky and said why does Wenger keep raising/training these guys and then let them go, and he refuses to do the same back to clubs and buy some experienced players, and she is a girlie, enough said.

  37. Red Arse says:

    Hi BR, 🙂

    As I suggested yesterday, an intensive training programme on synchronized player swooning should be instituted immediately!

    A additional training programme should be arranged for the fans, to enable them to hold up cards showing their points award for the fall/swoon/dive based on elegance/simulation/timing.

    Should get the FA running around in ever decreasing circles! 🙂

  38. Rasp says:

    Very entertaining post Rocky with a serious message. Most of my points have already been made by others.

    I don’t believe we can do anything about the refereeing decisions that go against us but I am interested to see whether the apparent injustice has a positive effect = bunker mentality, or a negative result = feeling sorry for ourselves.

  39. goonermichael says:

    I actually feel sickened by the picture of fabregas kissing the barca badge.

  40. Rasp says:

    Let it go gm, he’s gone. He has been brilliant for us – remember him scoring the penalty against Barca with a broken leg? No-one should have anything but fond memories of Fabregas.

  41. kelsey says:

    Sorry RL, but the cesc news has superceded your post. A totla cock up by Gazidis and Cesc is perfectly fit.Amazing how a few hours in the sun can mend a hamstring problem.
    I have no issue with Cesc going,it’s just the way it has been conducted and now barca put a 200 million euro buy out clause on his contract.
    The PR department needs a full investigation, to an extent our club has become a bit of a laughing stock over this episode .

  42. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rasp,

    When I managed a large team of professionals, things would occasionally go wrong despite all their efforts. My mantra?

    — I will not concern myself with things in the past that I cannot undo; I will concentrate on things in the future that I can do!

    Which is what I think you are suggesting. 🙂

  43. goonermichael says:

    VCC
    Yesterday I said Wilkins was a rubbish commentator. I actually thought he was OK on the chavs match yesterday.

  44. Red Arse says:

    GM,

    Are we talking about the same buggy eyed Mekon critter who always says “absolutely?”

  45. goonermichael says:

    I’m quite a vindictive bastard Rasp. The people you love hurt the most. They’ll have his best years. But I’m over it now 🙂

  46. kelsey says:

    Come on lads.seeing cesc kissing the barca badge and most probably leaving a video message for us fans, most probably recorded ages ago.I am annoyed as i said earlier great player shite captain.

  47. London says:

    WG

    Thanks for the comment but as you can see VCC is capable of answering for himself.

  48. Rasp says:

    Hi RA,

    Yes I hope the loss of Cesc, the negative media coverage, the poor refereeing decisions all serve to galvanise the team. I do think the introduction of a couple of tougher players would help in this regard.

  49. Rasp says:

    😛 gm, I understand your feelings but I can only remember him with fondness. It’s not his fault that he was regarded by some as a poor captain, but he is an incredible player up there with the top 10 most gifted players ever to play for Arsenal by my estimation.

  50. WiganGooner says:

    @London

    Sorry mate, I was just putting in my opinion, discussion after all is what we are here for.

    WG

  51. Red Arse says:

    Hi WG, 🙂

    I concur with the sentiments expressed by both you and VCC, altho’ I may have said it in different words. 🙂

  52. London says:

    VCC

    You might mention to your daughter that the club brought Fabregas for five hundred thousand and sold him for north of thirty five million.

    Which is quite a good reason for continuing the youth policy, in tandem, of course, with buying experienced players which has been the policy of the club for some years now.

  53. WiganGooner says:

    @RA

    Iz dat cuz u is clevrer than me tho? 😀

    WG

  54. Rasp says:

    Fabregas has spoken very emotionally about Arsene Wenger in his press conference, and also about Arsenal and his regret that he couldn’t say anything for the last few weeks. The guy is a superb diplomat and can hold his head high.

  55. goonermichael says:

    It’s a bit like seeing your wife/GF/BF (who you still have feelings for) sitting on someone elses knee with thier tongue down thier throat.

  56. London says:

    I was beginning to think that it was unlikely that I would ever agree with you on any issue ever again.

  57. gunnern5 says:

    Nasri is training with the team today – ???

  58. Rasp says:

    I think that was for me? London, that’s funny because I feel I agree with you on most of the main points but just diverge a tad on the details 🙂

  59. London says:

    Yeah, ok, I am not the happiest bunny today.

  60. gunnern5 says:

    RA: Re your 1:52.

    The past is where you gain your knowledge.
    The present is where develop that knowledge.
    The future is where you apply that knowledge.

  61. Red Arse says:

    I have watched a part of Arsene’s Press Conference.

    I have often said that I wish he would not be quite so ready to answer unscripted media comments, (Fergie Face would never do that), and I have not changed my mind.

    When asked if any players would be coming in to Arsenal this week, he replied that they had been too busy with the outgoing transfers, to do anything, and it was too difficult to get the in and out transfers matched time wise. He said we have no interest in Jadson or Tevez (and had previously said no interest in Wossa Mata).

    He also said, he hoped Nasri will stay but he did not know if this would happen.

    When asked again about transfers in, he said it was possible to bring in 1 or 2 players, but he was concentrating on tomorrow’s match.

    Yet again it’s as clear as mud. Why bother making himself a hostage to fortune?

    On Friday he said he hoped Cesc would not be going. Cesc has just said that he and Arsene had said goodbye on Friday.

    If, and it’s a big if, he is going to buy a CB, why is this linked to Cesc’s departure, or not? Money? Conclusion: he is unlikely to buy a CB.

    Now Cesc has gone he has ruled out three ‘big’ players, above, – so, will he go for a ‘lesser’ known player or will he simply not replace either or both of Cesc and Nasri?

    You see, there are more questions left after his interview than answers — so why bother, and give the naysayers a field day?

    Search me.

  62. VCC says:

    GM cheers.
    I’m not saying I am not a fan of Pat Rice, but in view of him wanting to finish at the end of last season and only agreed another year after Wenger talked him round, suggests to me he may be tired or wants a rest. Wilkins may be a fresh out look and certainly would help Wenger with his experience also he is well thought of within the game. I merely want the best for my beloved Arsenal.
    I don’t know how (nor care, frankly) I have rattled a certain member’s cage on here, but I only give my opinion, but have to say this also goes along with almost everybody I speak to and listen to from the pundits within the media, and within the game itself.
    I will willingly eat my hat if he proves me wrong and we are successful playing all our youngsters.

  63. harry says:

    Rocky cracking article, your style is unique……..

    Pretty much agree with most of what you say, certainly i feel we do get the sharp end of the stick…….Without doubt Dowd cost us last year, but riles me is that it is blantant and nothing gets said…..

    Rasp, did you read my message about the other site i left the other day? can you add it to your blogroll please…….?

  64. harry says:

    http://www.gunners4life.com/index.asp?article=649

    Guys have a read and comment on the above please……your support is as always appreciated………..

  65. gunnern5 says:

    Harry,

    Re your 2:25.

    It’ all been said before, in different words and different styles, and it will all be said again.

    Frankly that type of blog only adds fuel to the fire of those that are easily influenced and will only exacerbate the issue.

    I think there are simply to many “experts” trying to play manager.

    If you are really behind the team than you could have written an article with more of a positive slant instead of regurgitating what is all ready known.

    Just an old farts opinion…………….

  66. dandan says:

    I am looking forward to RA’s take on this one.

    From todays Times.

    The secret of Manchester United’s success? Sir Alex Ferguson instils a working-class work ethic in his band of millionaires.

    “We were working class, the boys today aren’t. Some of them might think they are, but they’re not. Their fathers and their grandfathers might have been, but times have changed,” the United manager said last week.

    “What you have to do, though, is make them believe in working-class principles, to make them think like they’re working class.”

    How exactly does Ferguson convey these values to his players? Clues are provided by the following list, which was found by a dressing-room insider at United’s Carrington training ground and passed to The Times, hidden in a copy of the Morning Star.

    NOTICE TO YOUSE: HOW TO BE HUMBLE AND RECONNECT WITH ORDINARY FOLK

    Maximum of four cars per household; at least one must not have tinted windows.

    We know a 20-hour working week can be tiring, but always try your hardest.

    If complaining about the lack of affordable housing, do not mention that you are talking about property prices for holiday villas in Dubai.

    When cultural commentators refer to “the underclass”, this is not a reference to the npower Championship.

    Occasionally take public transport (you will find first class at the front of the train).

    When talking about your money, it is polite to take two digits off every figure you quote.

    Avoid revealing that you pay a lower percentage of tax than the average person, thanks to your three accountants, image rights shell company and offshore bank accounts.

    Should you find yourself in a conversation about class politics, Proletariat is not the name of our new Brazilian youth player. Marx is not what you get out of ten in the newspapers.

    No parking in disabled bays (when there is an alternative space).

    In the present economic climate, some will find it offensive if you order magnums of Cristal champagne while out on the town. Ask for cheaper brands, such as Dom Pérignon, instead.

    Many working-class people like to bet on horse racing. This may be one of your favourite hobbies as well, but they do not need to know that you own the horse that came second in the 3.40 at Ascot.

    A Keane sense of priorities

    Small wonder that many in the United States view football as un-American as universal healthcare, or pronouncing the “h” in “herb”. America is supposed to be the land where young, energetic immigrants go to find fame and fortune through hard work and talent. Robbie Keane is apparently about to become the latest falling star to move to Major League Soccer, reinforcing the sense that in football the US is where past-it, already-rich veterans head for an easy life away from the spotlight. That said, the 31-year-old’s options were reported to be Los Angeles or Leicester, so we’re not disagreeing with his decision.

    Savvy solution to Arsène’s agonising

    With a £60 million windfall set to come from the sales of Cesc Fàbregas and Samir Nasri, the question on everybody’s lips now is: how should Arsène Wenger invest the money? We’re here to help the Arsenal manager.

    The Shepshed Building Society is offering an interest rate of 2.5 per cent on its no-notice postal account; but, for the manager who plans for the long term and therefore does not require immediate access to his funds, we favour the Whiteaway Laidlaw Bank, which offers a rate of 3.35 per cent at 120 days’ notice.

    Of course, there is the stock market, but in this unpredictable climate you’d be as well off investing £17 million in Phil Jagielka and taking a chance he will provide solid returns over the next three to five years.

    Anyway, thus does football preserve our proud tradition of binge drinking: by the time you have made your way to the bar at half-time, queued and paid, you will have five to ten minutes to neck your lager(s) before the match restarts.

    But perhaps this is a responsible rule, limiting how much is imbibed and making beer less attractive to minors. We must keep the Carling Cup free of accusations — surely baseless — that it in any way encourages the drinking of alcohol.

    .
    With Britishness in crisis, it is reassuring that football stands up for this country’s cherished values. Fans daring to take bottles of beer to their seats after half-time when Southampton faced Torquay United last Tuesday in the Carling Cup were sent back to the concourse by stewards because guzzling alcohol in sight of the pitch is an offence.

    It is believed this regulation was first introduced at Highbury in the 1980s, when many of George Graham’s Arsenal players would catch sight of supporters holding pints and become thirsty.

  67. Big Raddy says:

    The King is Dead, Long live the King. (JW)

    And make TV captain.

  68. harry says:

    cheers for the support raddy……..

    I agree that TV should be Captain, but I feel it will probably be RVP’s…….

  69. goonermichael says:

    It must be Robin’s last season if he’s captain

  70. goonermichael says:

    Someone just told me that Nasri was approached by City in January. That’s probably why his form dropped.

  71. goonermichael says:

    I’ve obviously blogfarted (yet again)

  72. goonermichael says:

    I’ll get my nanny and titfer

  73. RockyLives says:

    Hello All
    Thanks for the comments.

    Kelsey
    I was surprised this post went up today – I was assuming a Cesc-related one would be more the order of the day.

    Hey ho. I don’t hate Cesc for going, but nor am I going to mope over his departure. Jack will emerge as our new superstar and we will carry on.

    Trophies may be a tall order as this is going to be a season of serious transition, with Cesc, Clichy, Eboue and probably Bendy and Almunia all heading out. But that doesn’t mean we can’t compete and I still expect a top four finish.

    Must add a word for Redders’ collective faint idea. I’ve been chuckling about it all day.

  74. RockyLives says:

    GM
    “nanny and titfer” 🙂

  75. WiganGooner says:

    Hi Rocky,

    I put this one up initially because it is more instantly relevant to the weekend. The Cesc post will be up later / tomorrow.

    WG

  76. RockyLives says:

    No problem WIggy – I’m not complaining 🙂

  77. WiganGooner says:

    😀 I know you weren’t 😀 Just thought I’d explain as Cesc will still be gone tomorrow (unfortunately) whereas your post really needed to be up today 😀

    My post is getting shelved I can feel it 😛

    WG

  78. evonne says:

    GM – did he really kissed Barca badge?? No, that’s not on. His picture is off the wall and in the garage

    And he paid 5mil from his pocket full of our money to go there?? No, it stinks.

  79. Rasp says:

    Hi Rocky,

    We felt that the post we used could only go up today whereas your Cesc piece will still be current in a few days time – I hope that is OK with you?

  80. evonne says:

    AND if he was sold anywhere else we would get 20mil more. Andy Carroll was 30.

  81. evonne says:

    Hiya Rasp – can you persuade someone to write a Happy Birthday Thierry for our Tel’s birthday this Wednesday?

  82. evonne says:

    Rocky – I am so sorry I didn’t comment on your post. I cannot read it, my head is all over the shop and I cannot concentrate at all. I will read it tomorrow 🙂

  83. Herb'sArmy says:

    What a mess!!! Keith Edelman insisted we had to move to the Emirates to become serious world players. Five years on we are no-where near, and the manager who over-saw the whole project now has serious concerns that we are nothing more than a ‘feeder’ club for Europe’s elite.
    Fabregas has gone, the relationship between Nasri and the fans has completely broken down, and we’re still as spineless and lacking in creativity as at the back-end of last season.
    We only had four fit midfield players for the Newcastle game, and we were forced to use them all.
    One of the biggest and greatest sporting institutions in the world behaving like a small-time club, and it is absolutely disgraceful.
    Why do we pay £15m for a kid who may or may not turn out to be great when for the same money we could have bought ‘Arsenal fan’ Ashley Young??? Do we really lack such an obvious medium of ambition?
    And tomorrow, no Nasri, van Persie or Wenger on the touchline.
    The whole set-up stinks.

  84. goonermichael says:

    The good news Evonne is you can get 11-1 on us now 🙂

  85. WiganGooner says:

    @Herb,

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Keith Edelman was brought in by Fiszman to oversee the project, not to start it.

    In terms of fit midfielders, we had frimpong, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Walcott on the bench, thats 7 in the match-day squad alone.

    Left behind, the likes of Lansbury, Eboue (still at the club), Diaby (injured), Wilshire (Injured), Nasri (contract wranglings).

    I can see your frustrations, I can certainly agree with some of them. I don’t think we are spineless, we controlled the game against Newcastle.

    The first game of the season is far too early to judge a squad, I do think we need extra defensive cover, another top class midfielder and another striker should Bendtner leave.

    We still have 16 days to get that business done. Lets not panic just yet eh?

    WG

  86. VCC says:

    London 2:07.
    So successful ????? with this policy we have not won anything for 6 years. Have you been in a coma these past 6 years???

  87. WiganGooner says:

    @VCC

    I guess it is down to how you measure success. I believe we have been successful in maintaining a top 4 position in the league, whilst having restricted finances and moving to a new stadium.

    We have competed in the top league in the world and in the Champions League, with a reasonable level of success – We didn’t win the trophy, but I don’t feel like we embarrassed ourselves.

    There is no divine right to win a trophy, all you can do is compete at the highest level you can and see what happens. Yes we have made mistakes, but name one team in the world that hasn’t.

    WG

  88. Herb'sArmy says:

    WG,

    Frimpong was one of the four, and I did say fit players, which ruled out Diaby and Wilshere.
    Song and Walcott just aren’t good enough for a top-level club. Oxlade-Chamberlain is untested outside of League One, Lansbury has no Premier Lge experience, Rosicky has hardly played in three years, and Ramsey is 19.
    It is wholly unacceptable situation for a club of Arsenal’s stature to be in.

  89. Gooner In Exile says:

    Afternoon all top post as always from Rocky and not a lot to disagree with. as I said so many times the media has portrayed us as weak so often that refs believe we fouled if opposition players lose the ball and we were outmuscled if they win the ball from us.

    Have read Cescs comments in interviews, quite heartwarming, remember he is under no need to be nice to us now yet he tells us Wenger should stay “the best man he has met in football”.

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/15/cesc-fabregas-signs-barcelona-arsenal?cat=football&type=article

    More interestingly some interesting twittering today:

    Bob Wilson :

    “Thanks Cesc. The King is dead. Long live the King. Enjoy your reign Jack”

    Samir Nasri :

    “I heard what the fans were singing about me on saturday and it is really disrespectful because i’m still a arsenal player”

    Frimpong :

    “Hopefully There will be Positive Chanting For Players and Staff On tuesday Unlike Saturday #StickTogether”

    In Summary:

    Raddy=BobWilson

    What the fans are doing IS affecting the players and WILL give Nasri a ready made excuse to walk away, do I blame him? Not one bit. If you were a professional player would you want to come and be abused every week…..unlikely. Ok he might have already had his head turned and be itching to move away but the fans mentality is such that we keep pushing them out rather than encouraging him to stay.

    Would he sign if we all sang “Stay Here Nasri”….maybe not but it might make him think a little bit.

  90. VCC says:

    WG. True, cannot argue with you, but I’m afraid I cannot help thinking what might have been?? but this is the joy of being a football fan, debate..debate..opinion..opinion.
    I feel if Wenger had not been so stubborn these past 6 years and had at least a couple more experienced campaigners we just might have done better, but hey what do I know. I am still a Wenger lover.
    Do you not think we might have been better off spending what we did on OC on an experienced player we might be better off now rather than keep on investing on youth, after all we could of had Young from Villa.

  91. Gooner In Exile says:

    Just a quick question to those complaining about young players being bought.

    Is Jack Wilshere one of the first names on the team sheet? Would he be at 19 other Prem League teams? The answer is yes IMHO

    Why are we upset that Cesc left? According to you we should only just be thinking about signing him.

    Anelka won us the double aged 17 how many people questioned his signing at the time?

    Give the kids a chance I’d wager very few have seen these new signings play more than 4 games, let’s judge them on what we see them do for us………..

    Judging by some stuff I’ve seen and heard I am seriously worried I will get ejected from the Emirates on Saturday for hitting someone.

  92. WiganGooner says:

    @Herb 4:47

    To be clear, are you suggesting that Aaron Ramsey’s age has anything do to with his quality?

    You discount players based on their history, have you seen Arsenal’s pre-season? Don’t you think Rosicky is looking in good form? I do.

    I know not many folks agree with me, but Rosicky is a good player and a credit to Arsenal.

    Without wanting to sound argumental, I agree that we need one more signing in central midfield. We need another striker and we need more defensive cover.

    We don’t need a overhaul and we’re not doing a lot wrong as evidenced on Saturday.

    WG

  93. WiganGooner says:

    Oddly I remember when we used to be proud of how good our kids were against older players.

    WG

  94. London says:

    VCC

    “After all we could have had Young from Villa”

    Where on earth do you get this stuff from?

    How can you possibly think that is true?

    It is not a situation of we buy AOC and not another as you imply, we have brought OAC for the future. There is no reason to assume that his purchase will prevent others.

  95. WiganGooner says:

    @VCC

    Bearing in mind the deal with Southhampton is rumoured to only be about 6-7 million up front with the rest in clauses and bonuses…what can you buy for 6-7 million these days as an established player? A Squillaci?

    Sod it, lets say we spent the whole 12 Million, find a world-class winger for less than 20 million. We bought a lad that will become one instead.

    Thats the way I look at it.

    WG

  96. WiganGooner says:

    Guys and Gals, I’m off – got to go home and then to the gym..

    If I don’t get on later have fun and I’ll be on tomorrow – I’ll have the post up by 9:30 as usual.

    WG

  97. Herb'sArmy says:

    WG,

    We weren’t brilliant pre-season, and Rosicky did ok. How much of an impact has he made in the PL since he arrived five/six years ago? He was great at Dortmund, in all the time he’s been here, he has not repeated that form on any consistent basis.
    Tell me another big club in world football who relies so heavily on teenagers?
    Gervinho’s penalty incident aside, Newcastle were there to be beat on Saturday, and for the umpteenth time we didn’t look capable of scoring.

  98. WiganGooner says:

    @Herb

    I’m not saying we set the world on fire mate, but we’re playing ok.

    The squad is in transition from Cesc and Nasri to the new generation.

    Rosicky did well before his injury, often playing out of position on the left wing. As you are well aware we lost him for two seasons with his injury problems but he is looking fresh after a good pre-season.

    The Little Mozart has good vision and good movement. Have a look at the Newcastle game again, he and Ramsey were the creative fulcrum and they did well. Profligacy in front of goal cost us, thats all.

    It is only the first game of the season. No need to slit wrists just yet.

    WG
    – really off now.

  99. Herb'sArmy says:

    Always for the future London! Is that the mantra for not winning? We didn’t win anything this year because we’re obsessed with the future. And as the future can never be the present it’s the perfect cop-out excuse.

  100. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    brought myself up for the red bulls game with my other half and son and had a great day out,i wasn`t bothered about the result,just wanted to show the wife our great stadium (she loved it,said it looked like a giant space ship had landed in islington!

    The highlight was finding the programme of my first adventure to highbury on saturday,november 6th 1965,the memories! we won 6-2,against sheff utd, it was so simple them days just turn up and pay at the turnstyle,rattles,rosettes,scarf no fuss! programe just black and white(like the tv`s)apart from red cover and red around player profile,which happened to be the late great geordie armstrong(he looks like he should have been the fifth beatle!),theres a picture of pele,his brazil side were to play arsenal on 16th nov`followed by a friendly with moscow dynamos on 30th nov`,no champions league but even in them days we attracted the best! and they were attracted to a great club with great history and traditions like ours, loyalty,respect and a way of presenting ourselves both on and off the pitch with dignity and style,the arsenal. forward to present! what a high tec ,wiz bang wallop world we live in now its fantasti.

    I just wished we could conduct ourselves a little bit better,and think before we speak,mr wenger i take people at face value,if someone tells me something i believe them! if im wrong i appologize now but did you not say “fabregas has a long contract,he will stay”,” he is injured and cannot tour(asia)”,”we do not sell our best players we try to strenghen our team not weaken it”,”we will be buying a super quality player soon”,there are probably plenty more wengerisms but please arsene unless you have something gospel to say,please say nowt! ,i`m fed up with being let down, it honestly hurts,i take it to heart!. on tuesday we take on the italians,no rvp, no nasri, now no cesc ever again,no jack,no signings(super quality) i`m scared,if we dont qualify,will the funds be kept to counter balance the loss of champions league revenue?.

    I know there is still plenty of time left in the window! and hopefully he will prove me wrong! personally the players i would like(to save arsene some face)are mata,hazard, goetz,cahill,we know cahill has a price!but does arsene want him for nothing next year! the others may not be for sale, and as arsene says” it is not like a supermarket where you can just walk in and buy” but that has not stopped barca coming to the arsenal supermarket and walking out with a trolley full of henryhlebcescobix! all i ask for is honesty.

  101. Red Arse says:

    Gooner Lost in Cornwall,

    Good read, and valid opinions. I agree with some and not sure about others.

    I might agree with more but my eyesight was struggling. 🙂

    If you throw in a couple of paragraph breaks it would make it easier to read. Give it a go! 🙂

  102. Red Arse says:

    Hi Herb, 🙂

    Welcome back and I see you are throwing some meaty left hooks as usual.

    It’s all about opinions, but on one thing we are all agreed, we ALL want Arsenal to be top of the tree, but there are many other clubs out there scrapping for the same pinnacle of success, some (many?) with unlimited money to throw around! 🙂

    The world is not fair, but we have had a fair share of success over the last 14 years under Monsieur Wenger.

  103. RockyLives says:

    GLIC
    “henryhlebcescobix” 🙂

    But, like Redders, can I suggest you break up your words (which are really worth reading) into bite-size paragraphs. Makes it much easier to read, especially if you’re trying to read it on a mobile.

  104. Rasp says:

    Hi GLiC,

    Welcome to AA and thanks for the detailed comment.

    I hope you don’t mind but I’ve broken it up a little to make it a tad easier to read (actually just to get some of the regs off your back 😛 )

  105. goonermichael says:

    I’m with Herb on most of what he says today. Buying OC blatently does stop us buying someone else as we can’t seem to buy without selling.

  106. Rasp says:

    Arsenal and Newcastle have both been charged with failing to control their players, whilst Alex Song has been charged with violent conduct. Apparently we are appealing Gervinho’s red, but that will be upheld.

    Song is bound to get a ban (probably 3 games) for his misdemeanour, so this is Frimpong’s chance to stake a claim for the DM role …. good luck to the lad.

  107. Red Arse says:

    There are some very intelligent people on AA, so can one of you explain to me how the FA, and by that I mean the midget brains who run it, can arrive at the following.

    Gervinho = Charged
    Song = Charged
    Newcastle = Charged
    Arsenal = Charged

    Ermm, isn’t there someone missing?
    Oh yes, of course, that psycho Bastard Barton is as innocent as an angel – silly me.
    They obviously do not mind that he started all the trouble and was involved in every unsavoury incident.

    And yet … there is someone else. Yep, that’s right .. the incompetent, fey wally referee, Walton. Shouldn’t he be on a charge too?

    I dare someone to rationalize that!!

  108. Red Arse says:

    GLIC,

    I would lodge an appeal, if I were you, ….. the Rasper has deliberately ruined your masterpiece! 🙂

  109. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi RA,

    Thanks. Does any manager realistically re-discover the winning formula when it has been lost for such a sustained period of time?
    I’m sure we’d have all been a lot happier with the departures of Fabregas and Nasri if Arsenal showed genuine ambition and intent in their transfer dealings, as Gazidis inferred during the Q&A session with AST.
    Ashley Young is an Arsenal fan, 26, and an established international.
    Far too easy! Let’s bring more teenagers so that when it goes wrong again we can trot out the worn-out excuse that we’re constantly building for a future that never seems to arrive.

  110. goonermichael says:

    the fa are cnuts. Remember rooneys elbow? effing wankers.

  111. goonermichael says:

    Herb. Maybe he’ll suprise us before the end of the monthy. I’m not going to hold my breath but you never know.

  112. goonermichael says:

    He may suprise us Herb.

  113. goonermichael says:

    testing testing 1 2 3 am I in moderation?

  114. goonermichael says:

    Herb
    He may suprise us. But I doubt it. Buying Ahley Young isn’t really much of a statement but it shows how desperate we’ve become.

  115. goonermichael says:

    I’m losing a lot of comments

  116. Red Arse says:

    My humble apologies, I forgot to include in my list of omissions that total tosser Taylor (I hope you are all noting my alliterations?) 🙂

    He ran around like a bitch on heat, protecting his boyfriend Bastard Barton — by accusing Gervinho of diving; of elbowing, and of punching (none of which the Gerv had done).
    Then to compound that little cameo, he then lied in the TV interview by saying he had not seen anything and had not done any of the above and had certainly never waved his elbow and pointed out Gervinho to the ref like an hysterical stinking stool pigeon!!

    Yes, Liar Taylor, the Coward should also have been charged with unsporting behaviour and being a cnut (as GM has taught me to write). 🙂

  117. Rasp says:

    RA, this highlights one of the most ridiculous rules that I have complained about before. Because the referee awarded Barton with a mere yellow for his part in the fracas with Gervinho, that decision cannot be reviewed even though he patently should have received a red.

  118. Red Arse says:

    Herb,

    I have to agree that Arsene has sent out some strangely contradictory statements during this transfer window.

    I said earlier today that he really should not hold these Press Conferences and then give oblique and apparently misleading answers to straight forward questions.

    The Arsenal PR manager should advise him better, because, as I said, he leaves us bewildered and with more questions than we had before the interview.

    I respect him as a man and a manager too much to want to see him put in that position.

  119. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rasper, 🙂

    In one of my many earlier comments ( 🙂 ) I pointed out that Wally Walton was running away up field with his back to the action when Bastard Barton assaulted the Gerv.

    So his yellow must have been for his part in the later developing fracas and not the original assault. Why then has he not been charged with the first part of the incident?

    It appears even Graham Poll, the other tosser ref, agrees with me! 🙂

  120. Herb'sArmy says:

    The next fortnight could determine how long he has left at Arsenal, RA.

  121. goonermichael says:

    I think this is his last season as our manager Herb. Do you mean he may not last that long?

  122. kelsey says:

    Arsenal squad (from): Szczesny, Sagna, Vermaelen, Koscielny, Gibbs, Rosicky, Song, Ramsey, Arshavin, Gervinho, Chamakh, Fabianski, Walcott, Chamberlain, Djourou, Jenkinson, Frimpong, Bendtner.
    Wilshere out Rosicky a possible starter.

  123. kelsey says:

    Yes we have to move on, but I and others can still be annoyed by his actions. I wonder who was calling the shots, Fabregas or Wenger. The last straw for me was cesc walking out at half time during the Emirates Cup. he wasn’t just another player leaving he was ccaptain of THE ARSENAL.

    I have seen far far worse teams in my years of support but this whole saga has been a complete and utter farce and the PR laughable. Wenger is right we are no longer a big club, and the damage may take a long long time to repair. I won’t mention it again until in a few days time i am waiting to hear the spin on Nasri’s departure.

  124. RockyLives says:

    Going back to something our lost-in-Cornwall friend said earlier, I also feel a bit let down by some of AW’s statements.

    Part of what has kept me feeling confident this summer is placing store in what comes out of Arsene’s mouth, but so many of his comments now look foolish or plain wrong.

    Perhaps, as Redders suggests, he should just stop answering the inevitable questions. If the Purple-Conked Gorbalian can send out his deputy to do interviews, why can’t we send out PatRice?

  125. Herb'sArmy says:

    A lot depends on the tolerance and patience of the paying customers. He has lost a lot of supporters goodwill, and may never get it back.
    Many Arsenal fans want a marquee world-class signing like Tevez or Benzema, and feel let-down or conned over the protracted Mata ‘interest’.
    If a significant signing isn’t made,and our football replicates the last 12 games of last season, fan pressure may well force the issue.

  126. RockyLives says:

    Herb
    I agree that if our current form (end of last season) continues it will make life very difficult for AW.

    However, I expect a reaction to Cesc’s departure and I wouldn’t be surprised to see us go on a good run now.

    Everyone’s talking about our toothless attack, but doesn’t it happen to contain the most prolific scorer in the EPL last season (based on goals scored per minutes played)? Plus Gervinho finding his feet.

    More of a worry is the Wilshere situation. If it’s true he has an achilles problem… well, that’s what TV had last season and we know how long that took. There doesn’t seem to be anything clear coming out of the club about Jack’s condition.

  127. dandan says:

    I have just watched AW on TV, careful what you unhappy lot want, you might just get it, if you do! Charlton here we come.

  128. goonermichael says:

    Herb
    Tevez would be a statement. I don’t really care about young. I’m off home now see you all later.

  129. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    RA,Rasp,Rocky. Thanks for the comments, It took me ages to write that lot, my finger is killing me!, I will look at the way you veteran writers skillfully present your views and try to aspire myself to your brilliance! .

    For starters, how do you get those smiley yellow faces on your write up?. I suppose i should wait for my son to get in or maybe just dictate to the wife as she used to be a PA .
    Guess what? the wife has just walked in and said(you know whats coming) “Why dont you let me do that for you,you talk ,i`ll type”.

  130. dandan says:

    The only statement that a total mercenary like Tevez would be, is that the club has gone as daft as some of its support.

  131. Camberwell Gooner says:

    Red Arse – Glad to see someone else is denouncing that utter prick Taylor.

    In my view he is way, way up there with Barton (in terms of general on-pitch cuntery) and his antics on Saturday just cemented him firmly in my list of Footballers I Will Hate Until I Breathe My Last.

    Jesus that guy winds me up! And he’s not an out-there, in-your-face wanker like Barton. In some respects he’s worse because he’s a sneaky, snidey little piece of shite who generally gets away with dirty little sly fouls all over the place, like hauling people to the ground by their neck if he can’t catch up with them (I know it sounds really blatant but done at sprinting speed, not so easy to spot).

    Yes indeed, Steven Taylor. You truly are a hideous, hideous cunt.

  132. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi Rocky,

    The whole thing just seems so flat and like a lot of our footballing style, lacking in some much-needed energy and urgency.
    We are so woefully short of creativity in midfield it’s shockiing.
    For me, Wenger is a brilliant Accountant, has been a good football manager, but that time has passed.

  133. RockyLives says:

    GLIC
    Very funny 🙂
    To make a smiley face you do a colon followed by the right hand side of a pair of brackets. Basically it looks like this, without the space in between : )
    If you close up the space, it should magically appear as a smiley – give it a try.
    They were a mystery to me too until someone on here enlightened me. Now my day is full of smiles 🙂 🙂 🙂

  134. RockyLives says:

    Herb
    Jack is a brilliantly creative MF – definitely the heir to Cesc in this team. Did you see some of his killer through balls in the pre-season games? Cesc or even Dennis would have been proud of them.

  135. Red Arse says:

    GLIC,

    I asked the same questions and modified my writing style too when I first statred8 or 9 months ago. So you are not alone.

    The smiley faces are a useful tool so that if someone is writing with tongue firmly in cheek, it stops others misunderstanding.

    OK, to do a smiley 🙂 you type : – ) but you do not leave spaces between them. If you are sad it is similar 😦 type : – ( without spaces. Have a go! 🙂

  136. RockyLives says:

    Aaaagh
    I just read a story linking us with Joe Cole.
    Say it ain’t so, Joe!

  137. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    🙂

  138. Red Arse says:

    Sorry Rockylicious for interrupting your smiley masterclass. I had not seen it before helping out GLIC. 🙂

    I have had much fun explaining the ‘intricacies’ of smileys over the past few months, I was beginning to feel like the daddy smiley!! 🙂 or is it P) ??

  139. Rasp says:

    Gooner lost in C,
    …. GLiC for short hereafter,

    The smiley faces are called emoticons, there are loads but the most common involve a colon, no space and then another symbol or two.

    So if you type colon : and then put a bracket straight afterwards, you get a smiley face 🙂

    There are many sites listing the vast range of emoticons.

  140. Red Arse says:

    Rocky, NOOOO.

    AW has so far said today;

    Mata? We are not interested.
    Tevez? We are not interested.
    Jadson? We are not interested.

    Damn! No one asked him about Old Joe Cole!! 😦

  141. Red Arse says:

    Rasper,

    How do you do :P) or :oops

  142. Herb'sArmy says:

    Yes Rocky, agree with you regarding Wilshere, but we shouldn’t be in a situation where all our hopes are pinned on a teenager. He was seriously over-played last season.
    We need serious investment, and to concentrate on now instead of forever obsessing with the far-off future. How many times or years do you want to hear we’re investing for the future? Little point having a world-class stadium if the staff are incapable of complimenting it.

  143. Rasp says:

    Oops, 😳 I’ve just seen that Rocky has given a much more detailed answer.

  144. London says:

    Herb

    “Always for the future London!”

    When did I imply this, or is this just a random insult?

  145. Irishgunner says:

    I have more than enough confidence in Jack, but as we saw on Saturday, we have little creativity without him, so need to sign.

    Did ye hear about Eboue? He flew to Turkey to tie up the deal with Galatasary, and their man flew to London to tie up the deal 😆 Ah, Eboue.

  146. Red Arse says:

    “Always for the future London!”

    Sounds like a compliment London. Positive, forward looking, and reliably consistent! 🙂

  147. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    Sorry! The wife`s watching corry,so i cant dictate!.
    Its wierd,last season I was getting excited by the rumours of Joe Cole coming back to Islington 🙂
    But now i`m of Rocky`s thought`s 😦
    I know,i`m getting flash with it now 🙂
    You have created a monster! 🙂

  148. London says:

    RA

    I refer you to Herb’s 5:29

  149. London says:

    I cannot for the life of me understand why people would think that the purchase of AOC should stand in the way of other purchases.

  150. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Just popping in for a split second one comment.
    Rocky,
    I have felt crap all day for damning your post. I’m very sorry.
    Wow, I have a neighbour in GLiC. Hopefully catch up tomorrow.

  151. London says:

    I would love to see Wenger spend 18 mil on Cole and then turn round stick two fingers up and say there you go I’ve spent some money just like Liverpool have done on a load of second rate British shite……Charley Adams, Charley f…………g Adams.

  152. Herb'sArmy says:

    London,

    Your defence in signing Oxlade-Chamberlain over Ashley Young.

  153. Rasp says:

    I am not liking what I am hearing from AW post Cesc….

    ……’What is more important than the message is how strong we feel inside as a team. We are determined, we have bought some very good players and overall the feeling inside the squad is very strong and the desire and belief is very strong,’ the Arsenal boss said.

    ‘But of course that will be encouraged by the results we obtain in the very near future and as well certainly by the fact we can certainly bring one or two players in because we are a bit short.’

    ‘What I want to say is that we are not frightened to spend money, but we have to be convinced the player is better than what we have,’ the Arsenal boss said.

    ‘That is our main concern, to bring quality. We have quality, but want to add more quality.’

    Oh dear, I’ve heard that line many times before. Wenger does not intend to bring in a quality midfielder after losing Cesc it appears

  154. London says:

    Jordan Henderson 20 mil……….Wenger spend some money.

  155. Irishgunner says:

    He doesn’t need to buy British, London. Wenger is more than capable of getting his scouts to spot a very talented European/African/South American that would suit our midfield.

    We are short in midfield now, especially as Nasri will more than lightly be off. Wilshere and Ramsey are too young to take on all the responsibility and will need cover anyway. Arshavin blows too hot and cold, Rosicky can’t play a full season, and Theo is well Theo. We need at least one decent signing in there.

  156. London says:

    I never thought for a minute that Wenger would buy a new creative midfielder I am amazed that you did Rasp, if that is your view, one of the reasons Cesc was allowed to go was that there is a glut of creative midfielders at the club.

    Ramsey,
    Wilshere
    Diaby
    Rosicky

    If Nasri goes then I expect a signing but if he doesn’t he gets himself added to that list.

  157. Rasp says:

    London,

    Why do you keep citing over-priced english players? – who’s calling for that sort of signing, certainly not me.

    Wenger has the services of a vast scouting network and has multiple players watched worldwide every week. He was after Inler for a couple of years. He doesn’t have to buy over-priced, over hyped players, he should be able to find the required quality within the £10-15m Arsenal price range.

  158. Rasp says:

    Hi Irish, I just saw that you got there before me.

    London, I believe we need a powerful midfielder to add to our collection. I cannot take Diaby seriously as an option as his injury record is appalling. Eboue is on his way and Theo is just not good enough to start games IMO, so we are currently ‘several, midfielders down for one reason or another.

    I believe Nasri will leave as AW sent out a coded message today basically saying if he doesn’t sign, he will be sold.

  159. London says:

    Irish

    Ignoring what I was saying about signing British for a moment.

    I will try and answer that other part of you comment. “Wilshere and Ramsey are not experienced at taking on the responsibility.”

    The problem is they are not going to sit on the bench any longer, they will be out the door as quick as you can say Cesc Fabregas if they are not playing week in and week out, you may say they will need a break and when they do there is Rosicky, Diaby
    and Nasri if he stays.

    I am not happy about this I am devastated about the loss of a talent like Fabregas but the idea that Wenger is going to buy someone that will play ahead of Wilshere and Ramsey just ain’t going to happen.

  160. Irishgunner says:

    Hiya Rasp, seems we agree.

    Rosicky isn’t fit enough to play all the time, and Arshavin not consistent enough week in, week out. Diaby is injured more often than not.

  161. London says:

    Rasp I think the principal difference here is that you believe that Nasri has already left, where as I still think he is signed to the club and will only change my mind when that alters.

    Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see Wenger buy 36 new players but I don’t expect him to sign a new creative midfielder unless Nasri goes.

  162. Irishgunner says:

    London – I see where you are coming from, but Rosicky can play out wide, and will not be there every week either, nor Diaby.

    I’m not calling for a marquee signing, but a very decent player to come in. Surely we should be fighting on four fronts again? Rotation.

    And of course, we could lose Song, Chamakh and Gervinho in January to the ACN. Even Frimpong if Ghana call him up, long shot I know.

  163. Irishgunner says:

    It could be worse guys, ye might miss out on Justin Bieber tickets (go on ,watch, it’ll make ye smile 😆 )

  164. Rasp says:

    Nasri is gone, its just a matter of time. Clinging on to the remote possibility that he will sign a new contract (the only circumstances under which we’d keep him) is pure folly. AW knows he’s gone, just as he knew Cesc was going. Its just this silly game he plays that will eventually give him the get-out when it is too late to sign any replacements.

  165. Nasri is going. There is no way he will stay. If he stays and runs down his contract I’d want Wenger out.

  166. London says:

    Irish

    Re Song, Gerv and Chamakh, these of course are not creative midfielders however if your point is that we need more players then I would agree but unless Nasri leaves I just cannot see more creative midfielders arriving.

  167. our reserves are beating the mancs 2-1

  168. Irishgunner says:

    I’m joining the duo above thinking Nasri is gone. Expect it to be done by the end of the week.

  169. London says:

    GM

    If Nasri is allowed to run down his contract I would want Wenger, hmmmmmm does he make these decisions at he club? I don’t think so. It’s a bit like blaming Van Persie for a goal keeping error; they both play on the same team but the responsibilities are very different.

  170. From everything I’ve read Nasri staying is Wengers decision. The board want to cash in. But that is heresay. Why would the board want to keep him? Surely that would be a football decision.

  171. London says:

    You may all turn out to be right, but my point is how can Wenger make creative midfield purchases until he is certain that Nasri won’t sign a new contract.

    There are three of you aginst me, so tell me how does that work?

  172. London says:

    Wenger has stated that he would like Nasri to stay, which makes sense when you consider he is the most creative French midfield player of his generation. We all know that he is not going to be allowed to run his contract down so if he is allowed it is the stupidity of the board not Wenger or am I missing something?

  173. Nasri has 16 days left to sign. He could have signed in January. We should have sold him already. I don’t really want him in an Arsenal shirt again anyway.

  174. London says:

    Here’s the problem you all get flustered at the idea of not signing a player to replace Cesc and when I point out he obvious i.e how can Wenger do that until he is certain that Nasri is leaving the only retort I get is that Nasri will leave………..well maybe but he hasn’t yet and he could still stay.

  175. Irishgunner says:

    Its up to Wenger to have this sorted by now. Regardless of who is in charge of contracts, its up to Wenger to know what players he will have at his disposal. We have, what, 15 days left in the window?

    Sign or sod off Nasri. Maybe it is my imagination, but we seem to drag out contractual problems longer than anyone else. Maybe we don’t, but for the last few seasons, it seems like last minute running around trying to fill in a hole.

  176. London says:

    GM

    Ahhhhh, you are moving the goal posts, disliking Nasri because he didn’t sign a contract quickly is different.

    That’s your personal view and I accept it.

    I want as much creativity in the squad as possible and if that includes Nasri then that will be alright with me.

  177. Big Raddy says:

    London. Your argument has swayed me. I would have called for a quality International to replace Cesc but as you say, until Nasri has made his decision AW cannot buy.

    Furthermore, Ramsey and JW are good enough already.

    I would put some of the Cesc money into Nasri’s contract – he may be an ingrate but he remains a great player. Trouble is the boo boys can ruin a players AFC career and have done so for decades.

  178. Big Raddy says:

    Watching MC. YaYa, Silva and Dzeko are super players

  179. London says:

    Hi BR

    Apart form Nasri, I would like to see some kind of defensive back up, the muti purpose Jagielka would be perfect for me.

  180. Big Raddy says:

    I agree and perhaps a back up right back – though I have yet to see Jenkinson

  181. London says:

    There is something odd about this Nasri deal, as Irish says it really should have been sorted out a long time ago, so why hasn’t it? Unlike many I don’t think the board or Arsene are stupid. I think they have gambled that if Cesc stayed then Nasri could go and if Cesc went they will have the funds to keep Nasri.

  182. London says:

    Jenkinson is being eased in, familiarising himself with the set up. It is hard to formulate an opinion as it is still very early.

  183. I dislike Nasri because he is as much of a mercenary as Tevez or any other player. He doesn’t want to stay with us so sod him. Fab has given us 6 years and has been a far better player for us. We are losing Cesc how does nasri staying decide if we should buy? Was Cesc surplus then?

  184. Irishgunner says:

    London – I think that is what bothers me most, that the contract is taking so long to be signed / Nasri allowed leave.

    No doubt you have seen Nasri’s Tweet and the video on youtube of the fans telling them they would C U Next Tuesday

  185. Jenkinson looks very good. I think he was a shrewd bit of business.

  186. kelsey says:

    There is a very good argument that Nasri can’t play the Fabregas role. Of course he is going, again all scripted and it just helps (if that is the right word) that he is CL cup tied. We can’t announce two huge profile players leaving on the same day,just give it a few more days and he will be gone.

  187. gunnern5 says:

    Rasp; this is your post @8:38

    Nasri is gone, its just a matter of time. Clinging on to the remote possibility that he will sign a new contract (the only circumstances under which we’d keep him) is pure folly. AW knows he’s gone, just as he knew Cesc was going. Its just this silly game he plays that will eventually give him the get-out when it is too late to sign any replacements.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………..

    You intimate that Wenger would be happy to let the time run out on the transfer window just so he will not have to buy players. That would mean he would be happy to see the team decline.

    How ridiculous!

    Unlike us supporters this man has given his time, his heart and his soul to Arsenal for the past 16/17 years.

    What on earth would lead you to believe that “it’s this silly game he plays”? There is no evidence of that – it’s just your increasingly negative viewpoint.

  188. Herb'sArmy says:

    London,
    I did answer your question.

  189. RockyLives says:

    CLIG
    Are you just lost in Cornwall today, are you on hols or have you made a permanent move to join the piskies?

  190. Big Raddy says:

    Kelsey. Though your description is the likely scenario, you cannot KNOW that. Perhaps Nasri will stay.

    If he does, he will not play the Fab role – no-one at the club can. We will just have to play in a different way using the talents at our disposal

  191. Big Raddy says:

    Fine game tonight. MC look ver good

  192. VCC says:

    Nasri out for me. 6 month wonder.
    Cash in on the money.

  193. gunnern5 says:

    I believe that Wenger will have to buy another midfielder regardless IF Nasri goes or stays – but he will not know the type of player(s) he needs until events unfold..

  194. VCC
    I heard today that he was tapped up by shitty in Jaunuary. That may be why his for dropped. I think he’s a great player. He’ll be wasted at shitty.

  195. Rasp says:

    GunnerN5,

    It is not ridiculous, it is my opinion substantiated by what I have seen in past seasons and by the words that come out of Arsene’s mouth.

    There is plenty of evidence for that view. You equate it with the allegation that there is some malicious intent by Arsene to see the side decline whereas I see it as the act of a stubborn man who cannot deviate from his ethos – there is a huge difference in the two interpretations.

  196. London says:

    Herb

    How on earth do you arrive at the idea that the club signed AOC over Young, you are an articulate man but that is plain ridiculous.

    Try and grasp the idea of a parallel signing system:

    On one hand a policy of singning the best young players when they become available. With AOC Wenger didn’t wait until the Cesc deal was finished; he saw the opportunity and took it, good business.

    And on the other, signing experienced players when needed. Gervinho and if Nasri goes a replacement for him.

    The mistake is to assume that just because we signed AOC we won’t sign any one else.

    Manu made inquiries about Young before the end of last season, we on the other hand have signed an equally good player if not better for seven mil less in the form of Gervinho.

  197. Irishgunner says:

    That Aguero has always looked good, looks good tonight for Citeh.

  198. Rasp says:

    kelsey (and others) is/are correct, Nasri cannot play the Cesc role, very few players can. Ramsey is an excellent and improving player but he is not close to Cesc at this stage. Our side is weakened by Cesc’s departure, but if it leads to us being more flexible in our approach then there will be some positives.

  199. Rasp says:

    Sorry Raddy, I’ve just seen that you’ve said much the same thing.

  200. But Arsenal controlled long spells of the game and got the three points their performance had deserved against a United side that included a wealth of Premier League experience in the shape of Darren Fletcher, Darron Gibson and Tomas Kuszczak.

    At least we beat the mancscum reserves 2-1

  201. London says:

    Rasp

    How can you possibly want to see a stuborn man who cannot deviate from his ethos in charge of the club you say you love?

    Why don’t you be honest with us all and say that you want Wenger gone as manager of Arsenal.

  202. gunnern5 says:

    Rasp I don’t know why I even bother with, I should know by now that you will always attempt to wordsmith your way out.

    It’s like trying to pick up a jelly fish with your bare hands……………..

  203. Big Raddy says:

    As you say Irish. This Aguero is some player.

  204. I really thought this summer was going to be different. I think most (except Herb) thought it was. The truth is we came 4th last season and needed at least a couple of players (if we count TV as a “new signing”) to challenge the top 3. In reality we’ve lost 2 of our best players and signed Gervinho (who I think is great) and some young players. We may buy a couple of great players in the next few days but if we don’t we will have gone backwards. City have strengthened as have the other mancs. I am not even dreaming of winning anything this season. I’m thinking no further than top 4.

  205. Rasp says:

    London, how can you say you love the Arsenal when you continually make excuses for someone who is failing the club? …… see there are shades of gray.

    I don’t want Wenger gone, I want him to change his ways. He probably won’t and as many have said, this will probably be his last year and if it is, it will be a great shame that for many, the brilliance of his achievements will be marred by his intransigence.

  206. Big Raddy says:

    Oi leave our Rasp alone 🙂

  207. Irishgunner says:

    Another goal for BR.

  208. Rasp says:

    GunnerN5, don’t bother with me then. The fact that you don’t like it when I articulate a response that you cannot refute is your problem not mine. I am perfectly clear in what I say. There is no ambiguity or word play.

  209. Irishgunner says:

    *for him

  210. TotalArsenal says:

    Good evening AA-ers!! So good to be back

    I have returned from my holiday and just read today’s excellent post by RL and subsequent comments. I also had a quick glance at the posts from the last two weeks, and I am looking forward to reading them all over the next few days 😛 Happy days ahead!

    I watched the Newcastle game in Gervinho’s former domicile, in a hotel bar, more or less on my own. I thought we played OK and there were many positives we can take from the game:
    1. We defended superbly, and the triangle of Czeszny, Vermaelen and Koscielny is possibly the best in the PL right now.
    2. Song was immense for us. Yes, he made a (stupid) mistake, but I forgive him, because he carried our midfield on the day against Tiote and the Philosopher, and he was up for the fight. I thought Ramsey had a bit of an off-day and Song worked his socks off to compensate. Again, I believe there are no better DM’s in the PL at the moment.
    3. Gervinho played well, and worked very hard for the team. On the day, the cooperation between him and RvP was just not effective enough, but the Gerv is a brilliant new signing for us.

    Some have commented about the lack of creativity from our midfield during the game, but I think that is harsh on both Ramsey and especially Rosicky. I just think we lacked a bit of sharpness upfront on the day. No need at all to start making big conclusions, like JW is our only creative midfielder etc. I must stress that I watched the game with French commentary, and was not affected by the same old Arsenal-clichés that most of you will undoubtedly have had to endure from our friends of ESPN on Sunday. Of course, I was not jumping up and down with joy at the end of the game, but our performance was encouraging in terms of our defensive performance and Song’s DM endeavours. The rest will come: we are the Arsenal and we know how to score goals 😛

    Finally: very sad to see Cesc leave today. What a player he was for us and how much beautiful football he performed for us! Time will tell whether he made the right choice to go NOW to Barcelona. When you are at the very prime of your footballing career, and are one of the best midfielders in the world, is it such a wise move to join a team who do not really have a vacancy for you? Time will tell.

  211. gunnern5 says:

    BR:

    I, for one, will leave him alone when he stops espousing his obstinate , holier than thou, negative viewpoints……………..

  212. gunnern5 says:

    Rasp; Don’t believe for one moment that I would not be delighted to refute your negative opinions it’s simply that I do not want to have a war of words that may get very personal.

    End of………………….

  213. Irishgunner says:

    Night all, see ye tomorrow at game time.

  214. Rasp says:

    GunnerN5, its about time you stopped with the name calling. I have tolerated a degree of abuse from you in the past but you cannot keep breaking the rules of the site.

    Read back and you will see that I have not at any stage described you in a derogatory manner, you on the other hand have just called me obstinate, holier than thou and negative.

    Debate the issues but leave out the personal attacks. I have a perfect right to my view, you have no right to abuse me because you don’t agree.

  215. gunnern5 says:

    Rasp you will be happy to know that I have to cut out and cook dinner.

    Rack of lamb, with garlic, rosemary, small red potatoes, asparagus, red and green sweet peppers.

    Oh yea and a bottle (or two) of Australian Shiraz.

  216. London says:

    Rasp

    In my opinion Wenger is not failing the club that is just another one of your negative anti Wenger jibes. I am honest, in the fact that I think he is doing the best job he can where as you are not being honest with yourself by saying you don’t want him gone while still believing that “he cannot deviate from his ethos” this is an ethos that you obviously dislike, there is a word for your stance it is called……………………..hypocrisy.

  217. gunnern5 says:

    Rasp;

    One last comment, You are very thin skinned if you think that’s abuse.

    Oops I guess you think being called thin skinned is also abuse and not an opinion…………………..

  218. gunnern5 says:

    Careful there London – you may be made to go and stand in the corner and write 100 times…………………….. You fill in the blanks.

  219. Rasp says:

    London, read it again, I was not saying that Wenger was failing the club, I was applying the same logic that made you write “Why don’t you be honest with us all and say that you want Wenger gone as manager of Arsenal” in a mock rhetorical statement – hence my shades of gray point.

    It appears that neither you or GN5 believe that I can hold a view that you construe to be negative and not follow it up with Wenger out – but I do.

    I unreservedly put the club before Wenger or any other individual and my opinion is driven by wanting what is best for Arsenal.

  220. Rasp says:

    Nice try GN5 but your words are on the site for all to read and you are now resorting to sarcasm – which incidently is not encouraged as defined in ‘About AA’ – wit being the preferable alternative.

  221. RockyLives says:

    Wow! What a fascinating discussion.

    Like London I do not see why Jack and Aaron – two of the most exciting new MFs to emerge in years – cannot form the fulcrum of our midfield this year alongside Song. Diary, Rosicky etc can come in when they need a break. If another club had sold Cesc and acquired JW and AR they would look pretty astute.

    Unlike London I don’t rate Nasri as a world class MFer but accept that he could prove me wrong. He certainly can’t play the Cesc role (I hope that’s not a condition of him staying). If he goes I will be sorry to lose an effective wide attacker but I am hopeful Gerv will fill the void.

    Rasp – AW may prove me a mug, but we all agree he’s known for ages that Cesc is off, in which case I find it inconceivable that he has not got a plan for reinforcements (although not necessarily in MF). I am still expecting rabbits to be pulled from hats. Of course, with our apparent policy of signing midgets it might be an actual rabbit…

  222. neamman says:

    Wow That Aguero looks good. For the first time I think City could win the league, especially as many of their superstars are more accustomed to winter in the UK.

  223. Rasp says:

    Haha Rocky. I have made one point repeatedly that no-one ever addresses (why should they I know 🙄 ) but perhaps you’d be kind enough to give me your view on the following:

    In the last four years, all the bigger signings we have made have been flagged up for months (sometimes years) in advance. Gone are the days when it is possible for a big club to go in for a player in a covert way, there are too many people trying to make money out of the information. The only signings we make that are out of the blue are the late August stop gap signings like Silvestre and Squillaci.

    Based on this, I cannot see that we are in for any named players at the moment apart from maybe Jagielka (like London I’d be delighted if we got him).

  224. Okay quickie for me and i’m out of here……and the way the support is sounding I could be away for a long time.

    Would everyone please stop the f***ing bitching and concentrate on one thing….supporting the Arsenal. We have a massive game tomorrow night, the support is split, the team will disintegrate without a united fan base behind it, its time to stand up and show some solidarity for the players, you may not like Wenger but doesn’t mean you have to come and boo, surely you still want a positive impact on the club, that will not be achieved turning up thinking we’re not good enough, hampering the careers of several more young players.

    Seeing the public criticism of our manager by our fans is truly sickening, and I for one am feeling pretty disgusted to be associated with it. It seems the press and media have finally done their job, I kind of wish that Wenger would do as RA suggested shut up and not bother commenting on any question to the press or media, then perhaps some of this ridiculous hysteria and hyperbole would go away.

    One day when he is gone some will realise that the press have bullied a good man out of a job he is very good at, that’ll be too late for us as we will have dipped into mid table obscurity by then. Show me another manager that will get what Wenger will out of these players….because the way some of you are talking the new manager will have to arrive sell 10 players who are not good enough (as adjudged by you the supporter) they won’t sell for much so we will have to give half away on free transfers and probably raise up to £100m for the rest, then we will have to sign 10 players experienced pros to please you all, who are capable of winning the league, so thats £200-300million spent. Then we have to hope he makes them gel and gets the best out of them. By the way thats all fantasy the Board don’t need to spend that kind of money when Wenger has done the job he has.

    See you when I see you, not going anywhere but this blog is depressing me right now.

  225. gunnern5 says:

    But Rasp, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, does your ethos define which level of wit is acceptable on AA?

    Gotta go and check on dinner………

  226. Herb'sArmy says:

    My issue is that the move to the Emirates was supposed to elevate us into the stratospheric ‘super-club’ bracket, and it hasn’t. All it has done is cause huge divide in a club that is famed for its staunch loyal support.It has got people who all allegedly want the same thing calling each other all sorts of nasty names. Never in our 125 year history have Arsenal fans talked among each other with such vitriolic hate.
    I said months ago there was poison at the core of our club, and our supporters have provided the evidence. Who is to blame? Either the BoD, or the manager. There is a lack of genuine excitement and expectation and the whole thing has gone stale.
    It needs fixing urgently, and if that means a new broom to clean up and clear whatever it is that is poisoning us all, so be it. Nobody, including Wenger, is bigger than the club, and they should not play with our emotions and hold us all to ransom.
    If we’re a big club, then it’s time those working inside the club started behaving as such, or they will lose the confidence of the fans forever.

  227. gunnern5 says:

    Herb: Your words……….

    Never in our 125 year history have Arsenal fans talked among each other with such vitriolic hate

    …………………………………………………………………………………………….

    We have not had the internet for 125 years either.

    Some of us remember, and experienced, only getting information from the newspapers and the occasional radio, or later, TV broadcasts.

    Today’s negative reaction from the fans is 100 % media driven and frankly even AA is not immune from that.

    What the hell is so bad about Arsenal today?

    The only people that can think that must be glory hunters and not true blue (red) supporters.

    I couldn’t give a tinkers about trophies,

    I love my team – win lose or draw, but I love it even more because of Wenger…………..

    Trophies are the icing on the cake – we have the cake – it’s just not iced at the moment………..

  228. Herb'sArmy says:

    GunnerN5,
    As I said, the move to the Emirates was all about putting us on a par with the Barcelona’s and Man Utd’s of this world, so from that view-point it has failed.

  229. The icing isn’t so difficult though gunnern5.

  230. Gooner In Exile says:

    When the move to the Emirates happened there was one club owned by a super rich individual. Now there are two and others bought by debt etc.

    When the plans were drawn up it was 1999, Did anyone predict that within 10 years clubs would be bought by super wealthy individuals and treated like play things and that player salaries would reach stratospheric heights. Shame they weren’t on the board if they did. We could still be at Highbury I wonder what the ticket prices would be now to keep us competitive and to maintain an ageing stadium. Or maybe the BoD should have applied for a 100,000 seater stadium in light of what we now know.

    Either way hindsight has always been a wonderful thing. I’m sure Wenger is using his at the moment and thinking I should have left the ungrateful sods when I had the chance.

    No one appears to see that what is going on now is ripping the club apart from the inside, over what? A few trophyless seasons?

    The Board have come in for heavy criticism for lining their pockets, they may well have but for years of unappreciated guardianship for nominal salaries I think they are unfairly treated. They could have sold out a long time ago they only sold out now to stop our club being thrown to Usmanov via Fiszman’s children holding out for the best price. Yet they still preside over our club, they have no need to they could slope off tomorrow and wash their hands of the whole affair and live off the proceeds from their sales to Kroenke quite happily. Why don’t they? Because they love the club and want to ensure it continues to be the same club it has always been.

    Yet fans continue to lap up anything that is negative against the current team and squad which according to pundits and fans underachieves whilst containing players of Championship quality according to some (an unfortunate majority) of our fans.

    It’s time to stop all the accusations and it’s time to get on with doing what fans can only hope to do, support this great club of ours.

  231. TotalArsenal says:

    Well said GiE, all the negativity is rapidly becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Let’s hope for a great game tomorrow, so the season can kick-start for us, and the majority of the fans will get behind the team.

  232. I’m behind the team TA. I’m always behind the team (and manager) Doesn’t mean I can’t be pessimistic. We’re going backwards it doesn’t matter how you dress it up.

  233. Gooner In Exile says:

    Thanks TA glad to have you back.

  234. Herb'sArmy says:

    And we’ve moved to the Emirates to become a ‘feeder’ club? Is that what we should support?

  235. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi GM,

    I respect your view, but I just cannot agree with you. I am checking myself out, wondering whether I have lost touch with reality at the moment. Our defence looks a lot better compared to last season (although I am still hoping to add another CB so we dont have to rely anymore on Squillaci…), we have far better and exciting options on the wings this season, and a few weeks left in the transfer window to add one or two players. We still have Wenger, and he will put a team together that can compete on all fronts.

    Why are we going backwards in your view?

  236. I’m tired TA but I’ll try to answer.

    Last season we finished 4th. To realistically challenge for the league we needed to strengthen. Gervinho will be a great player for us but we have lost Cesc and Nasri. The defence looked good against a shite geordie team that will struggle in the league. OC is untested and although he looks good so is Ryo. The 2 manc teams have strengthened so I think we have drifted further away. I hope I’m wrong. I want to be wrong.

  237. Wenger may still buy a couple of great players though. I hope so.

  238. I’m off to bed. See you tomorrow. Maybe I’ll feel better in the morning. It’s another day as they say. I’ll always be behind the team though TA please don’t doubt that. I’m not one of those that want us to lose so I’m proved right.(them’s just wankers) 🙂

  239. TotalArsenal says:

    GM, we have not lost Nasri yet, but if we do, I am sure we will get at least another midfielder before the end of the TW. And we still have Song, Wilshere and Rambo. We need one more experienced midfielder to help guide these talents through (this could be Nasri/ or a replacement for him).

    I agree with you on the untestedness of Ryo, OC and Campbell, but this is where we should trust Wenger’s judgement. I respect your pessimism though – you might well be right (and I know you do not want to be!).

    A win tomorrow and this weekend against the Dippers, and all is rosy again.

  240. Herb'sArmy says:

    The reason there’s so much negativity around is because at the Q&A session with the AST at the end of last season, Ivan Gazidis promised fans there would be significant signings to address the problems that had seen us capitulate again.
    No other club operates like Arsenal. Do you see players demanding to leave Liverpool, Tottenham, Stoke, West Brom, Wolves…? No.
    Having arrived at pre-season with no significant changes, Clichy & Nasri refusing to sign new contracts, Fabregas sulking to get his move away, and just as importantly the football mirroring that which we’d seen in the last 12 games of last season, fans vented their frustration.
    Newcastle should have been beaten easily on Saturday regardless of Gervinho’s sending off. People cite lack of match sharpness, but these are professional footballers paid a shed-load of money. Finding match-sharpness is what pre-season friendlies are about.
    Fans are angry because the football they’ve seen so far this pre-season and against Newcastle on Saturday has carried on where we left off. No drive, passion, urgency, creativity, and a distinct lack of cutting-edge up front. All too familiar failings which fans were promised were being resolved and haven’t.
    Just because you’re doing cart-wheels at winning a point at Newcastle, most of us expected three points. That and the fact that Almunia and Squillaci haven’t been booted out!

  241. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Herb,

    Good to see you back. I dont think anybody is cart-wheeling at winning a point at Newcastle. If you watch the game again, you can actually see that NU defended very well, and they deserve some credit for that. To say that we should have beaten them easily, at their own ground, is unrealistic.

    Liverpool and Chelsea fans expected three points as well, but did not get it. The PL has changed recently, and a draw away is not a disaster.

    How can you say there was no drive, passion and urgency against NU? Sorry that is utter rubbish.

  242. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi TA,
    hope you’re well rested after your holiday. Newcastle are poor. Can you honestly say we looked capable of scoring on Saturday? And to go into the new season with only Song, Rosicky, Ramsey and Frimpong as our central midfield options is woeful. If you saw passion and urgency we watched different games.
    And when we were both last on here, you mis-represented me.

  243. TotalArsenal says:

    Herb, you are missing out on Wilshere and Diaby (and Nasri of course for the time being) + half a month left before end of transfer window. I would have liked the BoD to have acted earlier and more decisive re selling and buying players, but it is what it is. There were a few good opportunities to score goals but passes were overhit, or runs were made to late. But I am not saying we were fantastic in that aspect.

    We played at a high tempo with good ball possession and circulation. There was plenty of passion and desire – we have indeed watched a different game.

    How did I mis-represent you?

  244. Herb'sArmy says:

    We played as we always play, looking to thread the ball through the eye of a needle. It’s the only way we play now! Diaby, Nasri and Wilshere weren’t available for selection.
    You took sides in an on-going argument and suggested I invited someone ‘to fight their corner’…Which I thought was judgemental and unfair given that my whole point had been missed and somewhat skewed.

  245. TotalArsenal says:

    OK Herb, you meant for that particular game, not the start of the new season as such. Still don’t understand why you would find it woeful to start a game with Song, Ramsey and Rosicky: these are still very decent players, and which team in the PL can match such a strength in depth in the centre of midfield?

    I am going to bed now, but can you let me know the date of this argument, so I can look it up tomorrow and get back to you?

    Sleep well AA’ers.

  246. gunnern5 says:

    Other than being a very to the point person – which some folks view as being abusive I am also a statistical nut – I’ve got Excel spreadsheets coming out of my ying yang.

    This evening I took the time to summarize our all time league finishing positions.

    I will concentrate only on the top four places but if any of you would like the full spreadsheet I will be happy to share it with you.

    Firstly our all time top four placements including all managers..

    1st = 13 times = 12.04%
    2nd = 9 times = 8.33%
    3rd = 10 times = 9.26 %
    4th = 10 times = 9.26%

    So historically including Arsene Wenger we have finished in the top four 38.89 % of the time.

    Secondly our top four placements excluding Arsene Wenger.

    1st = 10 = 10.75%
    2nd = 4 = 4.30%
    3rd = 7 = 7.53%
    4th = 6 = 6.45%

    So excluding Arsene we have only finished in the top four 29.03 %
    of the time.

    Thirdly Arsene Wengers top four placements.

    1st = 3 = 20.00%
    2nd = 5 = 33.33%
    3rd = 3 = 20.00%
    4th = 4 = 26.67%

    So Arsene has finished in the top four 100% of his time as the manager of our great club. But he also owns 36% of our all time top four finishes in 15 seasons – or only13.8% of our 108 (playing) seasons.

    So please tell me HOW ARE WE GOING BACKWARDS.

    How can anybody – including AAer`s possibly defame him in way.

    The media and the negative èxperts leave me cold……………..

    For crying out loud get behind the man and the team.;

    It`s never been better in our entire history.

  247. Herb'sArmy says:

    Goodnight TA and any other AA’ers.
    GiE will probably know TA, he knows everything about everything.

  248. RockyLives says:

    GiE and TA
    Loving your passion.
    How will the mood be if we beat Udinese 3-0 tomorrow night, which is perfectly possible?

    I just can’t understand people getting so down on the team after one OK away performance. I guarantee that Utd, Citeh and Chelsea will not all come away from Newcastle with 3 pts.

  249. RockyLives says:

    Nite Herb
    I respect your views and I hope we can all stay friends.
    We would all bleed red blood to see Arsenal prosper – so let’s remember that what binds us is stronger than what divides us.

  250. dandan says:

    Morning all have just read last nights posting, like GIE i feel myself being alienated from AA by this absolutely stupid, negativity. IMHO gunner 5 stats show the true measure of AW’s achievements, the continuous denigration of the Club, Its officials, management and players is in my eyes verbal vandalism, time for a holiday away from AA I feel. No doubt should we win a couple of games all will be sweetness and light on here.
    AS I said earlier be careful what you want AW may just say enough is enough, and GIE has outlined what that would mean.

  251. chas says:

    I’m really dreading going to tonight’s match.

    There are two nay-sayers that sit next to me who moan throughout the game. I’m so hoping they haven’t renewed.

    Anyway, here’s hoping our cobbled together team can give us all a positive result to enjoy.

    Cmon you Gunners.

  252. chas says:

    Apologies, Rocky, I forgot to congratulate you on the post. Spicy and controversial as ever.

    Somehow I knew there would be those who agree with its sentiments and those who would see it as just making excuses. I’m starting to think this schism in the Arsenal support goes a lot deeper than I thought.

    I was reading somewhere that the ‘raising the hand’ rule was nonsense and is not quoted in any of the rules. Was wondering if anyone knew? It’s almost as if touching an opponent above the shoulder is a sending off offence but throat and below is ok. After all we saw the throat attack twice in the Barca v Arse game at the Nou Camp and nothing was done about it.
    Perhaps we ought to train the players? Diaby was sent off for shoving the back of Barton’s head last season. If it had been a push to the upper back, would the same outcome have followed.

    Off out for the morning, then travelling to London in the afternoon. Bye

  253. WiganGooner says:

    Good morning all – new post scheduled for 9:30.

    Udinese tonight…..COME ON YOU GOONERS!!

    WG

  254. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Morning all,
    Just a quick word on the negativity.
    I think we need to keep things in perspective and not regard any bloggers criticism of aspects of our club as much more than differing opinions. Every regular on here is pretty civil and polite, and let’s not forget that even the most currently negative AA’er is not of the toy chucking brigade. None of us are boo-boys, none of us saying that’s it I am not going, none of us hoping we lose to force so and so out, and all itching to be at the next game we can possibly make.
    We all know that the team were competitive on all fronts last season and fell away due to probably no more than two additions. There is not that much difference between hopes and aspirations amongst us either. I cannot think of one trophy hunter amongst us. Sure these are disturbing times (losing one of the Worlds greatest midfielders is just that) but cripes wouldn’t it be boring if we all agreed about how wonderful life was the whole time.
    Shit I’m worried about tonight, I mean how are we going to attract superstars without CL Football. Ooops, there I go again.

  255. Gooner In Exile says:

    Simply Chas it’s violent conduct, and it appears raising your hands into another players face is accepted as violent conduct…I don’t think it’s a law as such.

    Much like the “can’t review if referee saw it” bullcrap which is also not true if “a clear error has been made” but the FA and UEFA hide behind “on the pitch decisions are final” and they ignore the caveat.

  256. London says:

    Rocky

    A small adjustment, I have never said that I thought that Nasri was world class, I said he is the most talented French midfielder of his generation.

    It is these small differences that make the difference between understanding me and not.

  257. kelsey says:

    dandan and GIE,
    I can only speak for myself and to he best of my knowledge i have never cursed any of our players or our players, i just express an opinion which many will disagree with.

    if you both feel that you should leave AA for a while what does that achieve.
    This is not ACLF or UNtold Arsenal who 99% only take positives from a result even if we get thrashed.
    You have to have diverse opinions on here and most of the time people are polite.
    Funny i know two people on here who when you talk to them generally about players and the side in general, express something and then a few hours later you see their written comment where they say the complete opposite.
    One or two just put an alternative point of view just for the sake of it with no real substance,just to be argumentative.
    The club has problems, and everyone says moves on but at the same time we keep looking back to the future for stats from 5 years ago and before.
    If the site management want everyone to agree it would be pretty boring and from what i read yesterday this is not the case.
    We have a huge game tonight with a depleted team, our current form is not great and with suspensions and injuries it won’t be easy,but of course like us all i want us to win, but confident i am not. Does that make me a doomer ?

  258. London says:

    GIE

    Your 12;29 is quality. The shame is I doubt if the people who come on here to spread their negative anti-Arsenal bile are capable of grasping the points you make.

  259. Rasp says:

    Morning, Micky, London, kelsey, GiE, WG (hope I haven’t missed anyone out)

    A new day and a game ahead, the chance to get our team back into winning ways.

    I do believe that there are several players who need a goal or two to reignite their killer instincts in front of goal.

    Once again last night, we saw a player new to a team play with unbridled freedom and show the confidence to have a go – I’d love to see one of our players let loose as Aguero did last night for that second goal.

    I’m not sugesting we should be a long ball team or always shoot on sight, but I do see the reluctance or otherwise to take a chance as a measure of confidence – and confidence is everything to a players’s performance.

  260. Red Arse says:

    Wow! I missed all the fun with the discussions between you nightbirds! 🙂

    Oddly, from the totality of the comments, I could not divide any of you into ‘negative’ or ‘positive’ camps and neither would I want to.

    As an interested ‘neutral’ simply reading the comments in the cold light of day, it seemed to me that each AAer moved from saying things that veered from the straight and narrow onto the side of pessimism and then back to optimism. We all do it at some time.
    I think it is called human nature! 🙂

    Clearly you ALL bleed Arsenal!!! Remember that first and foremost.

    My view, for what it is worth, is that in the same way that the nomenclatures “Doomers” and “AKBs” causes offence to those put into either category, I think being labelled negative or positive is also best left alone, because it is an emotion that is transient.

    It is all in the eye of the beholder anyway, and we all know that subjective comments about others, especially on Blogs, causes offence and is best not said.

    Chin up guys, life is all about taking the rough with the smooth.

    By the way Rasp, I still love you!! 🙂

  261. evonne says:

    RA – ‘Tosser Taylor ran around like a bitch on heat, protecting his boyfriend Bastard Barton — by accusing Gervinho of diving; of elbowing, and of punching (none of which the Gerv had done)’

    RA – is someone sending comments from your PC??

  262. Rasp says:

    Morning RA 😛

    The desire to categorise others is always divisive and often a way of reinforcing your own standpoint rather than an attempt to understand that of another.

    It should be possible to understand, disagree and use the opportunity to have your say without acrimony.

  263. evonne says:

    Herb at 2:48 – you are spot on – GiE knows it all 🙂 And his knowledge puts a smile on his face, lovely, possitive young man and true supporter.

  264. kelsey says:

    “GIE,
    They could have sold out a long time ago they only sold out now to stop our club being thrown to Usmanov via Fiszman’s children holding out for the best price..”

    Maybe I misunderstood that part of your post but Fiszman s sold his shares to kroenke for a lower price rather than sell to usmanov.His family didn’t want the shares.

  265. Rasp says:

    I’m finding it hard to get any concrete info on Jack’s injury?

    This is what it says on arse.com ….Jack was substituted after seven minutes against New York Red Bull with an ankle injury. “Basically we have Wilshere injured, hopefully in the short-term,” said Wenger on August 12.

    We could certainly do with him against pool at the weekend. I don’t know whether if Song gets a ban it will be effective immediately, I suspect that clubs sometimes contest decisions to delay the suspension. Having said that, I’d rather see Song on the pitch against manu than pool if I had to choose.

  266. Negative anti Arsenal bile is a bit strong.

  267. kelsey says:

    Oh a different opinion is now anti Arsenal bile , or have i misunderstood that as well.

  268. Red Arse says:

    GM, Kelsey, 🙂

    Neither of you could EVER be accused of being anything but red blooded Arsenal men.

    Keep giving your opinions. I love them.

    You are both people I would be happy to acknowledge as friends and fellow Gooners! 🙂

    Evonne,

    There must be a poltergeist sneaking on to my computer when I am having coffee and making whoopee! 🙂

    Actually, I am just as human as anyone else and if I get my dander up I can let rip with the best of them. 😛

  269. evonne says:

    Rasp – I think it is an inflammation of an ankle, could take anthing from days to weeks to recover

  270. Red Arse says:

    Erm Evonne,

    What I meant was the poltergeist making whoopee, while I am having coffee, not me having coffee and making whoopee.

    {Can’t ruin your perceptions of me any further!} :O

  271. evonne says:

    RA – ‘if I get my dander up’…. do I want to know what is ‘your dander’ ?

  272. evonne says:

    RA – you deserve my first smile since the you-know-who kissed barca badge 🙂

  273. Rasp says:

    Thanks RA, evonne,

    With RvP missing, I am hoping to see Nik start tonight (not Chamakh) I find this statement by AW rather encouraging …. ……..”I promised I would let him go if he found the right club and that hasn’t changed – but if he doesn’t find the right opportunity he’ll stay and fight for his place like everybody else. He looks sharp in training.”

  274. evonne says:

    Rasp – Nik to stay???!!!! bloody marvellous, second smile 🙂

  275. Rasp says:

    Haha evonne, he doesn’t exactly say Nik is definitely staying just that he will be happy to keep him if he doesn’t get an offer from a suitable club.

    Given that Nik doesn’t always have the best first touch, I think he has other attributes that are in short supply at the moment. He is ambitous, confident (bordering on arrogant), he loves to score goals, he attacks the ball in the box and he is generally good positionally. I don’t know how he feels about being played wide right, but I’m sure he’d take any position on the pitch rather than sit on the bench.

  276. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All

    Our difficulty in selling players is a direct result of them being too well paid. No other club is willing to give f.eks. Vela €50k a week.

    It is a very difficult balancing act to pay young players enough to stay at AFC and also give value for money. In some cases, AFC get it wrong.

    I really hope Nik stays and proves himself, but on the other hand, he will surely get more opportunity as a CF elsewhere.

  277. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Rasp,

    It would not be bad news if Bendtner stays, but I prefer Chamakh upfront for tonight’s game. When we play RvP upfront, it almost seems that scoring goals is outsourced to him alone, but when we play with Chamakh we see a lot more attacking prowess from our midfielders – as if they suddenly realise that they have a responsibility to score goals as well. With Bendtner as our main striker, we do not seem to do that.

  278. pat says:

    Arsenal Bloody Arsenal….! Give em a hiding guys….

  279. Rasp says:

    Morning Raddy,

    I agree about the wages of some players affecting their saleability.

    In time these players will come to the end of their contracts if they are not sold. What we must not do is to extend their contracts at the same wage level in an attempt to maximise any selling on fee.

    AW has done brilliantly in the profit/loss department with players over the years, it might just be time to cut our losses and let one or two see out their contracts (Almunia) if they can’t be sold – or even release them from their contracts if they are willing, at least we’ll save the wages.

    I guess this is what we have done by letting Denilson go out on loan – i hope he does well and finds a suitable club.

  280. Big Raddy says:

    In any argument people polarise their opinions and this leads to misunderstandings (are you reading Mrs Raddy?).

    Disagreement is an essential in entertaining and informed blogging, Name calling isn’t.

    We have a site which should and does allow for reasoned but emotional discussion. Long may it remain thus.

  281. Red Arse says:

    Bendy over Chamakh for me, any day. And I am not really a Bendy fan!

    When I said “Bendy over Chamakh for me” that was an opinion — not an instruction – or an invite!! 🙂

  282. Rasp says:

    Hi TA,

    I’m afraid I am distinctly unimpressed by the Chamakh post Christmas. I know the only way for him to regain form is with time on the pitch but this is an important game so I’d defintely go for the striking Viking.

    I have watched Chamakh closely on several occasions. He is running scared. He is scared to take on a defender, avoids putting himself in a position where he might have a chance of shooting, and generally adds little or no punch to the attack.

    He may have personal problems, his confidence is rock bottom and who knows whether he is gelling with the other players, all I know is that we can’t afford passengers against tough opposition.

  283. Rasp says:

    New post ….

    WG has been fantastic filling in the gaps whilst peaches is away, he set up the post for auto publish at 9:30 – another Rocky masterpiece.

  284. MickyDidIt89 says:

    “Bend over Chamakh” 🙂
    Just heard on the radio Arsenal were training yesterday with Theo down the middle.

  285. Red Arse says:

    Right with you there Rasper!

    Someone has turned off Chamakh’s light switch since last January!

  286. evonne says:

    If we were all of the same opinion, there would be no point whatsoever to have a blog.

    It has crossed my mind that Nik would make a brill defender 🙂 only joking, I think he is perfectly capable of brilliance and I am sure he will deliver. He is still onlyt 23, plenty of time to develop, at least 2 years

  287. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Easp, agree on the confidence point and positioning. He is very good though in playing with his back to the goal, allowing the midfielders time to come forward and run into good spaces.

  288. Rasp says:

    Ok folks, in case you missed the earlier comment ….

    …. we have a new post 🙂

  289. Alles zu Goethes Iphigenie auf Tauris wie Analyse,Inhaltsangabe und vieles mehr….

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  290. hans says:

    Pity these refs are not in south Africa – we have a service in SA that sends a train with a few beautifully equipped eye care coaches manned by professionals into the rural areas to care for the eyes of the poor. I have tried to get the train to go to our parliamentary city, Cape Town to see if we can repair the impaired vision of our corrupt politicians and the Police who look past this – however – I thought that I would export this service to the UK and Call it the Refs train…. the bastards are always ripping off our boys.
    Let me know and I’ll send the detail!!!!

  291. Just for Fun says:

    Just for Fun…

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