Is Mertesacker right ?

Per Mertesacker says Arsenal don’t deserve a place in the top three because of the horrible away days at the Middle Eastlands, Anfield, and Stamford Bridge. Speaking after the Newcastle game the other night,Pers said

The fans wanted us to finish further up, we were top of the league for a long time and everyone dreamt about getting the title, but it takes more than just staying at the top until the winter period. We could not afford those big games against big teams, so we did not deserve to be in the first three. That is something we have to manage much better next year.

And he said those trips have to provide lessons for next season:

We have to learn how to play and how to defend in the first 20 minutes. The games were all similar, we got caught on the break and that is something we have to look at.

This statement appears on a number of Arsenal sites today and it wouldn’t be right if we didn’t have a daily post.

Is he right or wrong so I will leave it to all and sundry to offer their opinions.

kelsey

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109 Responses to Is Mertesacker right ?

  1. arnie says:

    ha ha ha, Kelsey, well done you! :)

  2. arnie says:

    Forgot to say, FIRST!!!!! :) :) :)

  3. chris says:

    I think he is spot on, yes. I read that as a subtle dig at Wenger for his tactics in those big games.

  4. ai-zed says:

    two of those three teams that thrashed us (i’m excluding the everton game) will not win the league, point being that it matters not to whom points were dropped but that points were indeed dropped. Points dropped in a 6-0 loss are the same amount as those dropped in a 1-0 loss…..two teams could go unbeaten all season but the team with less draws would win the league. Points dropped to stoke, the saints, the swans & the red imps were as costly as those dropped in the thrashings

  5. omgarsenal says:

    I disagree entirely…….we dropped points against United, Villa,Everton and Stoke (12 points) which, had we won, would have put us comfortably in first place. Comparing our games against the Pool, Shitty and Cheatski this season against last, we have done about the same, regardless of the scores.
    We tied 10 games last season and this season only 7. We were out of all competitions last season by March but we have a firm possibility of winning the FA Cup this year.
    We dropped 3 points against the Spuds last year but none this year. We had 73 points last year but a possibility of 79 this year…..THAT is improvement and , while I agree we need to win against the other top 4 teams more consistently, we are headed upward.
    Injuries and loss of confidence hurt us in March but overall we deserve better and might still finish better. It is in our hands so Per is being too harsh imho.

  6. RC78 says:

    I think we need to learn to be solid defensively throughout the match, not only in the first 20 minutes! He is right though to say that the beginning of matches are crucial and that we may want to be more cautious to ensure that we are not giving away goals so early in the game

  7. kelsey says:

    This is one for the archives
    .
    The latest and shortest post ever on AA :)

  8. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Well done Kelsey, you’ve stepped into the breech once more.

    Is Per right? I think so.

    Despite the injury situation our squad was not strong enough to sustain a challenge for the top. Nor did we strengthen the squad sufficiently in January.

    We all thought that Steve Bould’s appointment as Assistant Manager would sort out our defensive shortcomings and for a while there seemed to be an improvement, sadly it didn’t last. There seems to be a general lack of urgency about the whole teams approach to defending particularly in the early stages of games. On paper we have a terrific defensive line-up, TPIG1 or 2, Sagna, Merts, Kos, Gibbs or Nacho with Vermaelen as back-up but too often the defence has been less than the sum of it’s parts.

    None of us know what the management say to the players before games, do they offer different tactics for different teams, or is it a case of let’s play our game and leave the other lot to get on with it.

    I really think it must be down to coaching to improve our start to games in the future.

  9. 1derman says:

    imo he is absolutely right. We didn’t only get spanked once but 3/4 times, that’s a pattern. Having said that, had we taken the 3 points against Swansea & Everton at home ( both games that we were leading and taken Man U’s scalp at Old Trafford like everyone else seemed to do this season we would be right up there!!

  10. wally says:

    Of course he’s right.

    There’s no debate to be had on that one.

  11. MickyDidIt89 says:

    We love you, Crystals, we do
    We love you, Crystals, we do
    We……..
    Oh Crystals we…..

    KELSEY OUT :-)

    (Oh, and I saw the late run down the home straight from Arnie, so well tried to you too)

  12. arnie says:

    Well done Kelsey. :) Saved our day!!!!

    My post can wait a few days, I think. :)

    Will wait a bit before I comment, for obvious reasons. :razz:

  13. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Nope, don’t agree :-)

    Thing is, ok a bit more Maureen’ish for the first twenty or so, but I don’t mind losing those fixtures away so much, if we win all three of the home legs.

    To do this, we need two new good footballers, and by being better, we’ll win the League.

  14. ese96blogger says:

    I’ll just echo 1derman and say we don’t deserve top 3. Come on, we can’t expect to win the league after being spanked 3 times.

  15. chris says:

    Even if we did win miraculously win the league, having been spanked by the ‘top’ clubs in the fashion we were would dent that ‘pride’ I think. A 1-0 or 2-1 loss yes, fine. But 5-1, 6-0 etc, no.

  16. chas says:

    Well done, kelsey. Short and sweet.

    I think Per’s correct when he says we don’t deserve to be in the top 3.

    What I’m struggling with is the lessons learned part. The dippers away and the chavs away were only 5 or 6 weeks apart. The whole of the Arsenal blog world suggested that if the Anfield game taught us anything, it was to keep it tight for the first part of the game when we went to Stamford Bridge, thereby establishing a foothold.

    No lesson was learnt at all and the full backs were up on the edge of the opponents’s penalty area in the first moments and the game effectively over after 10 minutes.
    Last season after the spud game at SHL, we re-grouped and appeared to have learnt something. This season when push came to shove, it was back to square one.

  17. Malaysian gunner says:

    It’s no use beating teams like Hull,Sunderland and the other minnow only to lose big to the top 3 teams?The way the gunners lost to MC/Everton/Chelsea/Pool could have been prevented had the fm played anti soccer.He likes to play like BM,with the emphasis on possession and passing frenzy.Rm were like a cobra ready to strike at the opportune moment.
    It duly arrived with Ribery trying to weave a way through the RM defence.The ball was dispossessed from him and RM went on a lightning attack.At most 4 passes before Ronaldo put the ball in the net.I aint no coach but in football you don’t waste time trying to pass a thousand times.
    Hull could be like Chelsea in the Liverpool game.Btw,the Germans had more than 60% possession but lost. Hopefully Wenger will wise up and vary his tactics.

  18. Shubham says:

    BFG is partly right and partly wrong. Right because, as serious challengers one cannot roll over and get spanked by direct rivals.These results take away just 3 points but leave serious marks on the mentality and confidence of the team. As witnessed this season, with each mega defeats the team went into a shell and found it difficult to get going. Wrong because, had we remained calm and defeated lower placed teams like in the first half of the season, we would still be with a shout. Which implies that consistency and application is the key and we have been found wanting when it mattered the most. Maybe the team needs different approaches based on opposition and not always be gung ho. Pep found out last night with his universal tactic of attacking football that oppositions come prepared to hurt you based on their strengths. So as Ramsey says, Arsenal needs to be street smart to be title challengers.

  19. chas says:

  20. JWP says:

    Per should know what he is talking about based on the fact that he plays in the team every week….the good news is that i have a ticket for the cup final !!!

  21. RC78 says:

    I think that we compete with 5-6 teams for a spot in the Top 4.
    I also believe that there are always 2 teams that usually perform a lot better than expected and that can be tricky to beat.

    The rest of the 11-12 should be beaten. So let us do the maths:

    – 11 “beatable” teams so 22 games for a total of 66 points. Let us aim for 16 wins, 4 draws and 2 schock losses = 52 points

    – 6 “tougher” teams so 12 games for a total of 36 points. Let us aim for 6 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses = 21 points

    – 2 “surprise” teams so 4 games for a total of 12 points. Let us aim for 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss = 7 points.

    A season with 24 wins, 8 draws and 6 losses will get you 80 points. With this total, you can certainly secure Top 4 but for the title, you do need an extra 5 points to be contending….If you get these extra points from the beatable teams or to other ones, it does not really matter.

    However, if you can beat one of the main rivals, I think it instills confidence in the squad and also fear in your opponents. I think that if we beat Chelsea or City at home, some other games may have been easier and also our credentials for the title higher. Anyways, the league is always for the most consitent team and unfortunately, we had too many lapses, especially in March!

  22. RC78 says:

    Guyz – apparently, Gareth Barry would join us for free and we would also get Josep Drmic (7 Million EUR) as a striker.

    I would be well excited if Barry joined us and replicated his Everton form :-)

    As for Drmic, I think he would be a good acquisition to bolst the squad but I do not believe that he can lead our front line so a good lad for the squad but not our main striker option…

  23. jnyc says:

    I agree with Per. We are forgetting the sheer embarrassment of those horrible losses.
    Lower teams have to deal with games and results like that occasionally. A big Club like ours should never have to endure that. We consider ourselves title contenders, we should be inflicting those scorelines.
    Games like that should be for teams like spurs and lower.

    Imagine the shame our players felt. These games were supposed to be top matchups for their weekends, watched by premier League fans all around the world. I still can’t believe it occurred. We must improve our team and tactics. If we don’t do something major this summer, we are settling for mediocrity, or slightly above. That’s fighting for fourth always, and will be much more difficult next season.

  24. eldergooner says:

    So very well said jnyc . Bang on the money .

  25. JM says:

    BFG is right. Those were not only losses (i.e. 3pts), they have been morale sapping thrashings by the teams mentioned.

    Aaron Ramsey added:
    “We’ve had a lot of injuries to key players at the same time which did affect us, but that’s football. Things happen like that.

    “Obviously you do have thoughts going through your mind about what could have been.

    “The only games that have let us down this year are against the top-five away from home: if we’d managed to nick a couple of results against Manchester City, Liverpool, Everton and Chelsea the gap would have been a lot smaller and we’d have been right there.

    “That’ll be something to improve on next season – we’ll need to be more streetwise in those games.”

    “streetwise” – Having the shrewd awareness, experience, and resourcefulness needed for survival in a difficult environment.

    Our team needs to be streetwise/ street-smart in the PL next season. And this includes Arsene Wenger and his coaching staff as well. Lessons must be learnt and never to repeat the mistakes again.

  26. 26may1989 says:

    Afternoon all, and thanks to kelsey.

    Of course, Merts is right, we are in the position we deserve to be in.

    There are two striking things about us this season: how consistently good we’ve been against the sides outside the top seven (80% of points won in 24 matches) and how consistently bad we’ve been in matches against others in the top seven (42% of points won in 12 matches).

    It’s not all about the humiliating defeats at City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Everton but in a league as competitive as this, we can’t afford to concede so many points to our direct rivals, even if they are less consistent against the smaller sides. There is no way we should have picked up only one point against the worst United side for years. One point from Everton is also not good enough. And if we’re really ambitious, we probably shouldn’t have only drawn our home matches against City and Chelsea, we could and should have won those games.

    The damage done by the four big away defeats (4 scored, 20 conceded) went beyond losing points and screwing up our goal difference, they sapped our confidence and energy. Unsurprisingly, we were only able to draw the matches that followed each of those defeats.

    I still believe that our defence, which was so solid in 2013, can recover its poise, and I still look on Mertseacker and Koscielny as being our stand-out players this season (along with Ramsey). But when the defensive side of our game has gone wrong this season, it’s done it in style. That can’t continue if we are to progress.

  27. 26may1989 says:

    Sorry, maths correction: we have only won 36% of the points in matches against others in the top seven (P 12, W3, D4, L5, F10, A23, Pts 13 out of 36).

  28. RC78 says:

    A:

    1 – you must alwyas be consistant against the sides outside the Top 7 because the other title contenders will certainly be :-)

    2 – you must make sure to win some of the games at home against the big boys and at least grind a few results (at least a draw) against them while playing away :-) Imagine that we win at home to Chelsea and that we draw at City…It sends a signal out to the league that we are not here to joke around and second, it instills confidence in our team.

    B:

    1 – We need solid defensive displays to achieve results. We have the players that will create chances so at some point in a game, we will be in a good position to score. However, we have been too frail defensively against many teams and we need to learn how to defend as a block more consistantly and to make sure that oppositions struggle to break our defense down. Teams like Liverpool and City will get frustrated if they do not score within 30 minutes and that may open up breaches for us offensively. This is a real area for improvement.

    2 – We need some more pace and power defensively both at the DM position (Arteta did not fare well vs the big boys) and CD position. We cannot only rely on BFG’s positioning and Kos’ pace. We need also some strong and pacy defenders that will not be outrun by the likes of Sturridge/Suarez or outplayed physically by players like Dzeko. These strong and/or pacy defenders are not legion but they do exist so we should look for them.

    3. I love this forum :-p

  29. Shard says:

    I’ve had an eventful couple of weeks.. Some events good, some not so good at all.

    I’d like to take the time again to pay my regards to dandan. I went back to read the article he wrote about the 1971 double season. What a story, and what a man, who deserved the amazing friends he had. I didn’t know him except through this blog, but I feel a sense of loss at his passing. RIP dandan. A true gooner.

    Now, onto the article. I think it’s nice to see a player be honest about the team’s failings and be humble enough about Arsenal needing to do better. No one can argue that those two losses (I don’t include City in the same category) weren’t unacceptable. They must be right up there with the worst I have seen Arsenal play.

    However, we shouldn’t go overboard in dealing with those results either. Perhaps we need to defend better (well…we do) in the first 20 minutes. But in my view, particularly the Chelsea game, the tactic of trying to break through their pressing game wasn’t wrong in itself. In execution it was terrible. What I mean to say is, we must defend better like Per says, but we must generally play better as well.

    Of course, this sort of thing, painful as it is, happens to all clubs. The best team in the world, with what some say is the best coach in the world, lost 4-0 in front of their own fans last night. The ‘bestest team in the world ever’ lost 7-0 on aggregate to this same team last season. Both those teams have also had poor seasons in the past, with Barca going 6 years without a trophy, including a year out of the CL, and I think Bayern spent a year in the Europa League as well. Big teams tend to recover from bad performances and bad seasons. (Hence, beware ManU. The refs will be back for them too)

    The effect of those big losses was more psychological. On the fans, and the players. Of course, till last week Liverpool were the club to emulate with their sports psychologist and getting the mentality right. One slip and the title is no longer so assured. Bayern themselves reached and lost 2 other CL finals and finished behind Dortmund 2 years running before reaching their peak. You could argue they are a team of chokers. I bet that’s what the argument would have been if Arsenal were in that situation. Maybe we should just admit that ‘sh** happens’ sometimes. Doesn’t mean we don’t try and improve. It’s clear that Mertesacker is aware we need to do just that, and that is heartening. But perhaps we can take the rough with the smooth a bit better. Even the players, and not need the next couple of weeks to regain their confidence after a bad result.

    Nobody seems to remember Leverkusen of 2002. They won 0 trophies. They were in the final of the CL, the German Cup and lost out in the league by a single point. From treble to nothing, yet the team did very well. Sometimes, it’s just getting over the line that matters. The FA Cup represents that for us this season. Get that, and we’re on our way to recovering from those losses anyway.

  30. kelsey says:

    Some really good comments for a rushed up post.

    Also nice to see some new contributers,hope to see you become regulars.

    I particularly liked chas’s comment as he goes to Away games more than anyone else (I think) on here.

    There was a pattern in all the three games mentioned that for all intensive purposes the games were all over within half an hour.We didn’t learn. Who does one point the finger at ? The players,the coaching,the tactics, the manager or a combination of all of these things.

    Next season will be even tougher with 6 teams going for 4 places and there is a distinct possibility that at least 2/3 of our back line of defence/midfield will be gone and therefore WC year or not we need to do our business early.

  31. arnie says:

    Sorry, Kelsey, turned out to be a bad day for me again. But, here is my take. Yes, Mert is right to some extent. We prefer the introspection to come from the players. And we hope to see some results from the instrospection.

    Have we seen much of that? Well, the jury is still out, but the successive performances against our rivals away from home has been nothing short of a disaster. :sad:

    BFG is wrong to the extent that it is not these losses that have cost us higher position in the league. But it is failing to win in home games. Personally, I would have been very happy is we were to split points with the Chavs, Pool and Shitty. Alas!

    Lest us see the good guys deliver. Yes, they can, but will they? The jury is still out. COYG. :) :) :)

  32. Joe says:

    Only one team has done well this season playing in the mini top 4 league and that’s Chelsea with 16 out 18 points and they don’t look like wining the PL.
    The other teams got
    Arsenal 5
    Liverpool 6
    Man city 7
    The two teams that are going to win only got 1-2 points more than us respectively.
    In the if only realm if the refs would give Arsenal penalties we would have picked up more points in the top 4 league maybe.

  33. Joe says:

    Looks like Chelsea are parking the bus again

  34. RA says:

    For those who bleat that Wenger is not good at buying top players, have a look at the latest rumours.
    He is up against some very wealthy competitors, or players with their own preferences.

    — A summer move to Paris St-Germain for Chelsea winger Eden Hazard, 23, is now highly unlikely because the club have been charged by Uefa under fair play restrictions.

    — Tottenham midfielder Paulinho, 25, is set to join Chelsea at the end of the season after just a year at White Hart Lane, according to reports in Brazil.

    — Bayern Munich will beat several Premier League clubs to land QPR’s France striker Loic Remy, 27, in a deal worth £15m.

    — Liverpool are in pole position in the race to sign Southampton’s England midfielder Adam Lallana, 25, as the Reds try to add to their squad ahead of next season’s Champions League.

    — Manchester United’s hopes of signing Marco Reus, 24, from Borussia Dortmund have been given a boost with the forward coy over his future.

    — Newcastle goalkeeper Tim Krul, 26, is a target for Spanish title contenders Atletico Madrid, with 21-year-old Chelsea loanee Thibaut Courtois set to return to Stamford Bridge.

    — Uruguay striker Edinson Cavani, 27, has told friends he wants to move to Manchester United after falling out with Paris St-Germain boss Laurent Blanc.

    — Chelsea are preparing to make a £40m bid for 26-year-old Real Madrid forward Karim Benzema in the summer.

    — AC Milan could try to pull off an audacious swap deal that would see 23-year-old striker Mario Balotelli join Manchester United ahead of Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea with Red Devils striker Robin van Persie, 30, heading to Italy.

  35. stevepalmer1 says:

    Evening all, Nice short one Kelsey.
    Merts can say anything he likes, its a free country, but in all honesty i feel he needs to stop talking and work on his pace.

    We can dissect our season in many ways, but we don’t need pundits media or players telling us where we went wrong, we know that other teams have got squads better than ours, and many have players that on their day can punish you.

    We know that Wenger would buy top top players if he was able to. He must feel that had he had the fortunes available to him, that some other clubs have then we could inflict the same kind of results that they inflicted on us.

    Merts is understandably disappointed the same as we are, but for the present this will happen when we meet some of these clubs. I don’t believe that any player goes out there feeling that they will get a drubbing but once a couple go in for whatever the circumstances, heads will inevitably go down.

    Mesut Ozils purchase lifted the squad , but disappointment hit early with the Aston Villa result, but the team lifted their heads and played better, and in all honesty, they didn’t do too bad up till Christmas. Myself, and i am sure many other’s, even believed that the impossible could happen.

    I had hoped for a couple of signings, but with Kalstroms loan deal i realised that the money couldn;t have been there, so we had to make deal with what we had. Sadly injuries hit us hard just as a run of tough games came up, and our team was left weakened, but in all honesty, and if you are true to yourselves we know that we would still have struggled against these teams with a full squad, i feel the scores may have been lower but i still feel that points would have been dropped.

    We have got a very reasonable squad but it is not a league winning squad you know it, and they know it.

  36. chas says:

  37. Mohammed D. Musa says:

    Per is very very right because arsenal dont use to defend there first 20 minutes well, so they should learnt from there mistake nest season. Up gunners for life…

  38. RA says:

    Hi Steve,

    I don’t think Per working on his pace would make any difference – you either have it – like Theo – or you haven’t.
    He makes up for it by being clever and anticipating moves and being in the correct positions to stop the opposition.

    Anyway, he is only stating the obvious — we weren’t good enough when we needed it against the top 3 – and they scored plenty against us.

    We will make good signings in the summer – don’t worry about that. :-)

  39. RA says:

    We need a translation, Chas. :-)

    Otherwise it sounds like ‘son of a bitch’ — can’t be that!

  40. stevepalmer1 says:

    I hope your right RA, :)

  41. TwentyTwelve says:

    Great topic, Kelsey. The problem with losing badly to the top sides is the confidence loss. After a heavy defeat to a rival, the knives come out, even from the “supporters”. As a consequence the team play cautiously the following game, and might even drop further points.

    It must be the sports journalist dream to have a Chelsea v Real Madrid final. I dread the stories they will produce. Go, Atletico.

  42. Happy Bear says:

    I hate Chelsea, so pleased for Athletico

  43. Bayonne Jean says:

    Good one, Kelsey. Per is both wrong and right.

    Wrong because as others have pointed above, don’t deserve it mainly because of the dropped points to Everton and Swansea at home, not getting at least a draw at Stoke, and mostly to the befuddling performances vs. Manure. One point taken from a side that loses at home to the likes of WBA, Newcastle, Spuds, Swansea (FA Cup), Sunderland (COCup) is a travesty.

    Right because any championship side should not get hammered in the fashion that Gunners were done on multiple occasions. Imagine if we had not conceded the points above and we went on to take the league, you could just see this side referred to as “Chump Champs” by the media for those capitulations.

    The response to that would be a British two fingered salute, or a Jack Wilshere “We’re #1″ gesture. It’s all in the maths.

  44. arnie says:

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!
    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

  45. IanRealGunner says:

    John Terry can put his shin pads away for another season

  46. chas says:

    Micky’s going to be miffed Jose got his comeuppance early.
    I’m not :lol:

  47. LB says:

    I feel sorry for them really, London club and all, getting so close, just one game away from the final and having it snatched away so cruelly; they must feel really, really gutted tonight, they probably wont sleep, it will almost certainly feel worse for them tomorrow morning. Shame.

  48. Gööner In Exile says:

    Evening all, and what a fine evening it is.

    Well done Kelsey, I was trying to figure out who Per is aiming the quote at….to most observers it’s stating the bleeding obvious. However it’s not so much having to defend well for the first twenty it’s not necessarily about defending at all, it’s about how we have reacted to conceding early.

    At Anfield I was left scratching my head asto why we didn’t just regroup for ten/fifteen minutes. The players are experienced enough to know better. Then at the Bus Stop (a name that becomes more apt with every game Maureen plays) we were guilty of the same mistake, then again at Everton.

    After the Chavs bored the tits off Liverpool on Sunday many aGooner seemed to prefer his approach to ours, can’t remember if it was ManUre v Chavs or ManUre v Shitty a couple of seasons back but it ended up a dour nil nil with neither team wanting to commit men forward. Cowards football if you like, waiting for the opposition to make a mistake rather than trying to out play your opponent. If we all played like that in big games it would become a very boring league very quickly. And I doubt the sponsorship money would keep rolling in.

    Moyes said for many seasons (and the media condoned it) that with the players he had available it was the only way he could set Everton up to finish where they did, with a couple of additions Martinez has disproved that theory, will probably have has a better season than any of Moyes but will have entertained the Goodison faithful the whole season.

  49. arnie says:

    Were it not for Maureen and his detestable antics and “me” attitude, I would feel sorry for them as well. :sad: Alas! It is Maureen and his antics that leave a lasting savoury taste in the mouth. :)

    Besides, brilliant strategy and all that, what the Chavs play is not called football, IMO.

  50. arnie says:

    How long will Maureen last now?

  51. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas

    I can live with the Athletico result :-)

  52. chas says:

    Morning

    I thought you might be able to!

  53. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Were there any good highlights from the Bridge last night?

    Anyone blubbing, that sort of thing?

    The TV cameras normally manage to zoom in on some nasty little 12 yr old in the arms of his fat skinhead Dad, all upset. Love those pics.

  54. chas says:

  55. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I’m beginning to get excited about the World Cup.

    Really hoping for a Brazil Argentina Final.

  56. chas says:

    I’ll have a look.

    I enjoyed the after match talk with Jose.
    He kept saying that the game changed in a minute. Courtois made an ‘impossible’ save from John Terry, then the penalty changed the game.
    When the interviewer said, ‘Your keeper made that save’ (meaning Courtois), Jose reacted, ‘No, he is an Athleti player’.

    His obvious displeasure that their loan player was allowed to play against them was delicious.

  57. chas says:

    So you don’t think Woy’s Boys have any chance? :)

  58. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Yeah, I heard that interview on the radio as I drove back from Wiff Waff.

    “Delicious” indeed :-)

    Now, come on Chas, a pic of a blubbing young skinhead please

  59. chas says:

    Flippin heck, 0.099 of a goal.

  60. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    It feels dirty to be happy a London team lost and that their captain was crying on the pitch. But hey – no-one’s perfect :-)

    To give a little credit to Jose, he took the time to give a lengthy interview after an unexpected and costly defeat. SAF wouldn’t have.

  61. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Our only chance is to take a bus, and some Liverpool speedsters, but oh no, Woy will think we can play football :-(

  62. Big Raddy says:

    How do you score 0.099 of a goal?

  63. chas says:

    How about an old skinhead blubbing?

  64. eldergooner says:

    Micky at 0640 ,
    Yes , Terry was blubbing . What a marvellous start to my day.

  65. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Raddy

    Was their Captain really crying?

    Oh let it be so :-)

  66. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas and Eldergooner

    I’m so happy :-)

  67. chas says:

    Those ‘Hijo de puta’ songs, I thought that was usually reserved for the Totteringham Hotsperms manager. :)

  68. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas

    My guess is it translates as somebody’s whore, given that putin is a slang word in french for said tart :-)

  69. chas says:

  70. chas says:

    Leading to this at 7.00……..

  71. LB says:

    Hijo = Son

    De = Of

    Puta = Whore/Bitch.

    I think they were about right.

  72. Gööner In Exile says:

    I was there for that game, not long after Hillsborough (may even have been a week or two?) remember singing “You’ll Never Walk Alone” the whole ground, Norwich Fans Arsenal fans and even where I was in the Junior Gunners having just played in a JG’s five a side tourney where we all got entrance as part of the deal.

  73. RA says:

    Micky, @ 7:06

    What were you saying about Putin? Does he know?

  74. chas says:

    Whoops, killed it with a 10 minute Fever Pitch video. :)

  75. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Sorry lads, was on youtube trying to find a blubbing skinhead child. Nothing.

    Thought next best thing would be to find a blubbing Italian as they’re good at that sort of thing.

  76. Happy Bear says:

    yes, Terry was crying, being consoled and hugged by the Athletico players, oooooohh that was so sweet oooohh. Spielberg couldn’t come up with a happier ending :)

  77. chas says:

    Micky

    Did you like the Ancelotti smoking photo from Tuesday night?

  78. Big Raddy says:

    I’ve always liked folk music :-D

  79. chas says:

    hahaha

  80. chas says:

    Here it is in monochrome.
    Sometimes I wish Arsene looked like this on the touchline.

  81. chas says:

  82. Big Raddy says:

    I haven’t seen Fever Pitch in years – might be time to buy the dvd and force Mrs Raddy to watch and understand a little about my obsession.

    Do you think it comes with danish subtitles?

  83. Happy Bear says:

    do you think that other London teams enjoyed our defeat in Paris a few years back as much as we are enjoying last night’s outcome?

    I hope not, after all it is the despicable Maurinho that makes Chavs such as horrible unit

  84. Big Raddy says:

    HB. Some miscreants still sing “Nayim from the halfway line” every time we play them.Perhaps they enjoyed see in us lose

  85. evonne says:

    Raddy – ouch! That is disgusting, how can they?

  86. chas says:

    Of course.
    But what difference does it make to us?

    Spuds always want us to lose because they’re pissed off at always living in that half light.
    Chavs want us to lose because they know we have history and class, two things they’ll never have.

  87. evonne says:

    I suppose it doesn’t matter, I just cannot understand how can anybody not love Arsenal

    I didn’t know that the fine young goalie was on loan from Chelsea. He was very good, such a calm young professional; I can see him going far in his career

  88. arnie says:

    motning all. nice banter.

    ah, back to Evonne. much better. :)

    SAF did not have to give a lengthy interview to try and save his skin, SAF tried to let his teams do most of the talking on the pitch. I hate to say this but I believe it is true.

  89. Big Raddy says:

    arnie. I agree – evonne is so much nicer than a bear

  90. arnie says:

    Raddy: :)

    Chas: absolutely great stuff, all of them. :)

    Now, Evonne, that house in the swamps that you are looking at! I had a feeling it was for Peaches, was it not!

  91. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Oh God, a quick school run, and I’m back to see we’re on Evonne’s house in the swamps :-)

    You’re the economist, Arnie, you tell her not to be so silly

  92. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Oh yes, Chas, loved the smoking pic.

    I really hope it was taken in a dug out, which begs the question, which civilized country allows it?

  93. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ooops, are we all meant to be hiding behind the curtains because there’s no post :-)

  94. Norfolk Gooner says:

    ‘morning all, welcome back Evonne, where have you been lately? Somebody calling herself White Bear has been posting who sounded much like you….but not quite as good. :D

    I do hope that the Chavs are so down and despondent that they lose their next two games so that we can pinch third spot. Wouldn’t that be funny?

  95. arnie says:

    Russia? Aeroflot used to allow smoking on flights, I remember. :razz:

    On Evonne’s house, I have a few questions. (a) is the driveway big enough to allow us to park the AA bus? (b) would a bus-full of AAers be welcome to her bungalow for a grand picnic whenever we win a few games in a row? (c) does the house have a sizable cellar, and would Evonne act the perfect host and treat us to unlimited vintage red wine from the cellar?

    If the answer to all three is yes, I/ we might be persuaded. :) :) :razz:

  96. arnie says:

    Micky: there is a post, I have been reliably told, and as you might remember from early afternoon yesterday. :razz:

  97. kelsey says:

    Morning

    I would like to thank myself for putting up a short post at 1.p.m. yesterday but the mystery is who changed the banner as the principles were not to be seen ;)

    Chelsea were outfought,out thought and now out of the CL

    That fiesty CF from AM is he really worth 30 million even though he looks a bit like Eduardo :)

  98. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Booo

    Relief, phew, thanks Arnie.

  99. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Crystals,

    Can I kindly refer you to RA’s comprehensive transfer spec sheet @7:11 where there is nothing whatsovever about the player :-)

  100. Morning all

    Just sorting out the cupboard …… back in a bit ……

  101. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Crystals,

    I take it you refer to Costa as the feisty one.

    Balotelli. Now that’s feisty :-)

  102. kelsey – I think a little magic was responsible for changing the banner ;)

    I didn’t get a ticket for the cup final :(

  103. We have a New Post …………………..

  104. Sadly I think he is.

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