1936 and Arsenal win their 2nd FA Cup

It’s April 25th 1936 and Arsenal return to Wembley to face Sheffield United in their fourth FA Cup Final in nine years. Previously they lost 1- 0 to Cardiff City in 1927, won their 1st FA Cup in 1930, by beating Huddersfield Town 2-0, and then lost to Newcastle United 2-1 in 1932. Having won their first League Championship in 1930 and then again in three consecutive seasons from 1933 to 1935 they were now looking to add a second FA Cup to their 1930’s trophy collection. Herbert Chapman had died, suddenly, two years before and David Jack had hung up his boots. George Allison who was BBC Radio’s first football commentator, was now the new Arsenal manager. The attack was led by the formidable Ted Drake, who earlier in the season had scored seven goals against Aston Villa.

1936 FA Cup Final

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Harry Hooper of Sheffield United and Alex James of Arsenal shake hands at the start of the match.

The 1936 FA Cup Final was the sixty fourth and the fourteenth at the national stadium. Each team received a bye to the third round of the tournament, and then progressed through five rounds before reaching the final.

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Both Arsenal and Sheffield United were seeded into the third round of the FA Cup. In the third round itself, Arsenal was drawn away against Third Division South, Bristol Rovers Arsenal missed a penalty, and the third Division team went a goal up in the first half; Arsenal were playing so poorly that it seemed they would struggle even for a draw. The turnaround in the match occurred when manager George Allison moved Cliff Bastin to the inside left position. Arsenal equalized in the 65th minute, and scored a further four times over the course of the following fourteen minutes to win the game by five goals to one, with a single goal from Bowden and two each from Ted Drake and Cliff Bastin.

They followed this in the fourth round with a 2–0 victory over Liverpool Anfield. The match was played seven days after the death of King George V, with both teams wearing black armbands. The crowd of 60,000 stood to sing Abide by Me and God Save the King before the kickoff. In the fifth round they were drawn against Newcastle United, in a rematch of the 1932 final Newcastle had already knocked out the current cup holders, Sheffield Wednesday, in an earlier round. On the day, the gates to St James Park needed to be closed before the match started to keep additional spectators out, some 64,484 fans already being inside the ground. The match resulted in a 3-3 draw, Arsenal having gone a goal ahead each time, but Newcastle coming back and equalizing, in the replay at home, Arsenal won the game 3–0. They had gone a goal up in the first half from a penalty scored by Clifff Bastin after the Newcastle centre half handled the ball in the box. The second goal came during an advance by Arsenal, where the Newcastle goalkeeper, Norman Tapken, cleared the ball directly to Arsenal midfielder Pat Beasley, who promptly shot the ball into the back of an empty net. The final goal was another penalty, caused when Cliff Bastin was brought down in the box, who then took and scored the goal himself.

In their quarter final, they defeated Second Division Barnsley 4–1, having outplayed them right from the start, the first goal coming in the fourth minute from Pat Beasley in an attacking move. Bowden scored the second goal, and the third came from a penalty scored by Bastin. The fourth and final Arsenal goal was Beasley’s second, with Barnsley’s consolation goal coming a couple of minutes from the end of the match. In the semi final, played at Huddersfield Town’s ground, they defeated Grimsby Town 1–0 in a match that was described by reporters as completely one sided, with the goal coming from Bastin five minutes before half time.

Arsenal played in red and white shirts in an FA Cup final for the first time, on previous occasions in 1930 and 32 they wore fully red shirts. Additionally, before the 1967/68 season, Arsenal only wore team badges on their shirts on special occasions, such as FA Cup Finals. The 1936 cup final was the fourth occasion such a badge was worn.

150px-Arsenal_Crest_1936.svg The following is a match report that was taken from the Daily Telegraph
DRAKES GOAL WINS CUP FOR ARSENAL
SHEFFIELD UNITED NEARLY WIN MATCH
Drama of Dodds Header That Hit Post *
A Champagne Shampoo
By Frank Coles

Arsenal are Cup holders again for the second time in six years As expected, they beat Sheffield United in Wembley’s fourteenth Final Tie, but not as comfortably as 2-to-1-on favourites are supposed to win .
The honours of a match which rarely produced a high standard of play should go to Sheffield United, whose defence held out for an hour and a quarter and who twice narrowly missed taking the lead before Drake scored.

In winning the Cup for Arsenal at the 29th minute of the second half, Drake accepted the only scoring chance that came his way The opening was made by Bastin, who tricked Hooper very cleverly before pushing the ball squarely across to his unmarked centre-forward.

It was the kind of opportunity Drake had been waiting for all the afternoon and, quick as thought, he swung his left leg at the ball Before Smith, the goalkeeper, could move an inch a crashing drive had found the roof of the net.

Sheffield United could argue with justification that Bastin, might not have put Drake through if Hooper had not been handicapped by a leg injury They could also point to the fact that Jackson, playing immediately in front of Hooper, was also limping.

Drake’s goal gave new life to a game which for the greater part of the second half, had lapsed into a dull, humdrum affair, so lacking in quality and thrills that the 93,000 crowd was almost silent.

BAD LUCK FOR UNITED
However, a touch of genuine drama was to follow No sooner had United set the ball rolling again than Barton streaked past Hapgood and swung over a beautifully accurate centre Dodds, pounding down the middle, got his head to the ball and a thrilled crowd yelled “Goal!

But no, the ball hit the crossbar with a bang instead of going into the net, terribly bad luck for United. They had struck back gallantly, and for practically the first time Arsenal’s magnificent defence was shaken The movement, swift and sudden skilfully executed was a reminder of what had happened in the opening quarter of an hour, and it set me wondering why United did not exploit their five-men-up attack more often. As I had prophesied, United were an extremely dangerous team in the first 15 minutes because they were willing to gamble on attack They threw the last ounce into a grand assault on Arsenal’s goal and, as early as the third minute, nearly succeeded

BRILLIANT DEFENDERS
For 20 minutes United had Arsenal’s defence at full stretch All this time Smith, in the United goal, was a spectator When, at length, he was called into action he ought to have been beaten; from Bastin’s pass Bowden had an easy scoring chance To the undisguised dismay of Drake, who was by his side, Bowden shot weakly outside the post.

This, Arsenal’s first rejoinder to United’s beginning gesture, marked the transfer of the initiative. Whereas Arsenal’s goalkeeper was untroubled for the remainder of the opening half, Smith became the busiest man on the field incidentally, he proved himself a first-class workman.

The half hour after the interval did not provide the onlookers with much excitement.

Fortunately, Drake’s goal and United’s bid to save the match made the last quarter of an hour worth while, but I am bound to say that as a spectacle this latest Final Tie disappointed me. The Sheffield forwards were unlucky. On their first Wembley appearance they met the most astute defence in the country And if they had shown a sign of wavering, United’s attack assuredly would have won the match.

Barclay and Pickering, the inside forwards, were a long way ahead of Bowden and James They tried mightily hard to draw a cast-iron defence by holding the ball, and their understanding with the wing men was excellent.

At outside right Barton was as effective as Hulme, without attempting to be as spectacular – he was always a worry to Hapgood – and, until he was slowed down by injury, Williams was dangerous, despite the fact that he was up against Male, the best back on the field.

The experience of Dodds was in one respect similar to that of Drake Both met master stoppers But Dodds was given a far better service than Drake received If his luck had been good he would have converted a flashing cross from Williams midway through the second half The pace of the ball just beat him

I have described Male as the outstanding back Second to him I rate Hooper, United’s captain, who had the difficult job of subduing Bastin. Johnson, the centre-half, also played a great game.

Arsenal – Wilson, Male, Hapgood, Crayston, Roberts, Copping, Hulme, Bowden, Drake, James (Captain), Bastin

Sheffield United – Smith, J, Hooper (Captain), Wilkinson, Jackson Johnson, McPherson, Barton, Barclay, Dodds, Pickering, Williams

Referee H Nattrass (Durham) Linesmen: J M Wiltshire (Dorset) and Dr A W Barton (Amateur FA.)
Attendance 93.384

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Ted Drake’s winning goal.

It was Arsenal’s sixth success in League and Cup in seven seasons but their triumph did not get the deserved news coverage. A dispute over terms between Wembley and the news reel companies led to the ban on film cameramen inside the stadium. The companies still took to the air and shortly before kick off a whirl of auto-giros rose above Wembley. The only film taken inside the ground was an official one.

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Alex James holding the 1936 FA Cup.

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84 Responses to 1936 and Arsenal win their 2nd FA Cup

  1. chas says:

    Really excellent, GN5.
    I particularly like the detail about the road to Wembley and the match report.

    I know I’ve put links up for a lot of the games in the run up to Wembley. ( I might put some of them up later)
    The one below was new for me and made me laugh at 0.57 “Good old ‘ooper” at 1.59 where it looks like Alex James has got a fag on and the last few seconds which remind me of some of Ant and mine’s trips by train. :)

  2. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Hang on a minute GN5,

    So what you are saying is that Arsenal, founded in 1886, had to wait until 1930 for their first league trophy. 44 bloody years!!

    Well, I for one, would have quit years earlier to support a team with a winning mentality.

    Then again, maybe history can teach us something after all :-)

    I love the use of the word “advance as in “The second goal came during an advance by Arsenal”, and also your bit about the badges and first use of the red and white strip.

    As I’ve said before, these Friday gems of yours are the perfect antidote to crazy weeks. Cool, calm and collected. For me, they set up the weekends perfectly. Thank you very much.

  3. RA says:

    An excellent piece, GN5. :-)

    I have read and re-read the article and although I am familiar with the history of this era, you have rounded out my knowledge very nicely.

    It was very enjoyable to read, on a number of levels, but I hope you are not too disappointed again with the number of comments.
    These articles are absolutely fascinating but do not always call for many comments, except from perhaps the older bloggers, as they are gripping history in their own right.

    Hopefully Arsenal will pick up your excellent work again. :-)

  4. stevepalmer1 says:

    Reading this very good post reminded me of the old style formation we used to play. I noticed one mistake in the first post that many would probably not have, and that was the word Midfield.

    Now i may well be wrong but i had never heard that term be used in all my playing days. Until i suffered a cartilage injury and had to wait a year on the list to have it repaired.

    When i returned to fitness and started my first game back the formations had changed. We had gone to the new midfield, I was a centre forward but had been selected to play on the wing.

    I played for 20 minutes and never had a touch, The ball stayed in what was then Midfield, the ball went round in like a diamond formation and seemed like a very static formation.

    Our goalkeeper finally got the ball and drop kicked it to me just inside my own box and i looked up and saw the keeper on the edge of his box, so decided to take the shot.

    I hit it perfect, with the wind behind me and a smidgen of good fortune the ball found the top corner and i was overjoyed. But my team mates was not so excited they said i should have passed to midfield.

    I knew then that my time as a player had seen the end, and the word midfield has stayed with me all this time. Thank Christ midfield has now evolved and we see some great plays. and i must say i was getting passed it anyway. Great post by the way N5.

  5. chas says:

  6. chas says:

    I found this early photo of Terry.
    The smell of Tizer often got him confused, or so I’ve heard.

  7. Rasp says:

    Superb GN5, I echo Micky’s comments. The tone of your writing followed by chas’ hilarious newsreel is fantastic.

  8. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Wonderful stuff GN5

    As a kid I recall reading an article about that final and it tried to make out we were lucky?

    Now I know we should have beat them 5-0 I feel a lot better.

    One thing that strikes me about your articles is how rarely you see a southern based club in the mix. Is that why Arsenal are the greatest club in the world? because we were the only team south of the M25 worth bothering about?

  9. Big Raddy says:

    Brilliant , evocative post. Really enjoyed the writing style of 1936 and Chas’s video.

    Why wasn’t the King at the Cup Final? Because it was Edward VIII – he was always a wrong ‘un

  10. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Superb Chas

    Yip, that’ll be Ant n Duck style at the end. Incidentally, your road trips are one of the real highlights of the site. One more before season’s end?

  11. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Raddy
    Tower

  12. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    chas, hahaha. I really dont know what to make of such a paradox.

    Its like making love to a beautiful women but sat at the end of the bed is Steve Archibald

  13. Gööner In Exile says:

    You know the one thing that stood out to me? Abide with Me.

    How jealous I will be come May 17th and those lucky enough to be inside Wembley that have the chance to sing that famous hymn.

    (I am not the tiniest bit religious but both Abide With Me and Jerusalem always stir the soul. Football and the fact that Jerusalem was always sung with gusto by my Dad as it was Highbury Grammars school song.

  14. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ok, that’s it. My head and heart are by the Atlantic in Cornwall. Pretending to work is pointless. I’m off.

  15. Vinay says:

    Honestly i so wish i can be there at wembley this may 17th, just the joy of watching us play and then win, oh god , that has to be the ultimate high.

  16. White Bear says:

    Thank you GN5, I really enjoyed this post. Those were the good old days, when men wore proper shorts, had side partings and were not affraid to tackle. I am sure it was a tremendous game, shame it was not broadcasted.

    I had no idea that our shirt was all red for some 40+ years and that the crest was worn only on special occassions. See guys, we are spoilt and don’t even know it.

    Another thing that made me chuckle was all English names, very strange :)

    once again – thank you GN5 for taking such pride in your job!

  17. White Bear says:

    About shorts getting skimpier and skimpier – I wonder if with time the commercial pressure to get more viewers will force players to wear G-strings? Some footballers would embrace the trend (Bendtner)

  18. arnie says:

    Brilliant stuff GN5. This is superb. :-) Together with Chas’ clip as well. The run-up to the final was brilliant, and teh final itself was great.

    But what also struck me as interesting was the whinging journos. This combined with Terry’s observation of Arsenal being the only club south of the M25 with both history and style. Maybe, this is still one reason why we are hated by journos such a lot. :sad:

  19. chas says:

    5th Round replay versus Newcastle.
    Note how the camera changes round.
    To begin with we have the old East Stand on the far side (new marble halls East stand didn’t open until October 1936).
    Then in the second half we have the West Stand in the background.

    Does anyone think Bastin dived? :)

  20. chas says:

    Ooops, wrong order.
    This has the 3-3 versus Newcastle. Just look at that crowd!

  21. GunnerN5 says:

    Thanks for the comments guy’s.

    I’d written this many weeks ago but I was holding it back just in case we met Sheffield United in the final I thought it would make an ideal lead in story. But Hull decided differently.

    White Bear – I guess the length of Alex James’s shorts meant that he had a lot to cover up?

    Chas – once again you manage to enhance the post – thank you.

    Terry, my feelings of the 30’s and our team is akin to yours, even though I was born in 1937, I only have family stories to go by and not actual experiences.

    RA, I find the history of that period to be fascinating and really enjoy the research involved in creating the posts – but the amount of comments is disappointing. It’s like making a fantastic Beef Wellington for dinner only to find out that your guests are vegetarians.

    Micky, You nailed it – the longest period without trophies in our history. However league football never started until 18 seasons after the FA Cup so there was only 1 trophy to play for during that period. But that’s another story – if I ever get around to it.

    arnie, Being one of the few Southern teams and then having the audacity to be successful was certainly our downfall among the predominately Northern journalists.

  22. chas says:

    Semi final at Leeds Road, Huddersfield against Grimsby
    1-0, it doesn’t matter how you get through a semi. :)

  23. chas says:

    Here’s a better quality version of the final.

  24. chas says:

    You’re very very welcome, GN5.

  25. arnie says:

    A few other bits of nostalgia unashamedly pilfered from the web:

    Both teams had provided players to the England national football team earlier in the month for a match against Scotland, with Arsenal providing George Male, Jack Crayston and Cliff Bastin, while Sheffield United gave Bobby Barclay. Alex James, despite being Arsenal’s captain and having previously played for the Scottish international team, was not chosen for that match, which resulted in a 1–1 draw, enabling Scotland to win the 1936 British Home Championship.

    It was the first year that commentators were used in the broadcast of an FA Cup final, with the BBC describing it as an “experiment”. The first commentators were Ivan Sharpe and Norman Creek, who broadcast from 2:30 pm onwards before the game to take in the pre–match entertainment.

    More than 93,000 spectators attended the match, with fans from Sheffield travelling from the north on specially laid-on trains.

    While the weather was fine, the wind whipped up to such an extent at pitch level that the ball was taken out of its proper flight on occasion.

    About the header striking the cross-bar, Dodd said later: “I was just about to direct the ball down into the net when a wee fellow called Wilf Copping went up behind me and, in striving to get to the ball, punched me in the back. This had the unfortunate effect of knocking my head backwards so the ball thudded against the crossbar instead of nestling itself in the back of the net. But for that, who knows, things might have turned out different.” ha ha ha. :-)

    Arsenal returned to Brighton following the game to rest, where they had conducted their pre-match training. Each of the victorious player’s wives were presented with a silver wristwatch.

    The shirt worn by Alex James during the 1936 final is displayed in the Arsenal Museum.

    Sheffield United is yet to return to an FA Cup Final, the closest the club has been in FA Cup is the semi-finals where they lost to Leicester City in 1961, Sheffield Wednesday in 1993, Newcastle United in 1998, Arsenal in 2003, and Hull in 2014.

  26. arnie says:

    I thought I had managed to sneak in there before Chas, but not to be! :razz:

    But here is another one:

    http://www.britishpathe.com/video/f-a-cup-winners

    and other bits of history: :)

  27. arnie says:

    And here is another take on the history. Not even close to GN5’s passionate take with many personal touches, but interesting reading nevertheless.

    http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=523728

  28. arnie says:

    Brilliant stuff, Chas. :-)

  29. kelsey says:

    Another great piece of nostalgia GN5.

    I would love to have seen Ted Drake play and to think he nearly signed for Spurs and yet another who started his league career with Southampton.
    To score 124 goals in 167 appearances is most impressive.

    There are so many things I didn’t realise or know before you started this series GN5.Initially under Chapman so many new ideas were founded that still stand today, that we most probably didn’t realise that they came from Arsenal.We really are steeped in heritage and although I acknowledge new innovations come to pass as time has moved on, who would have thought then we would have an American major shareholder, a manager called Arsene, not be at Highbury anymore and this huge influx of foreign players in the PL on obscene amounts of money,but having said that to pay £6500 for Drake in the mid thirties must equate today to god knows.

  30. arnie says:

    Chas: you may be able to find a better version of the civic reception in Islington. :)

  31. kelsey says:

    Well I just read that both our polish keepers have a birthday today, 29 and 24 and I wonder who will play in the Final. Traditionally it would be Fabianski and he deserves it even if he leaves.

  32. GunnerN5 says:

    I hope its Fabianski Kelsey, he got us there and truly deserves and has earned his place. I also believe that he has been the more consistent of the two in the recent past.

  33. arnie says:

    Yes, it should be Fabianski if both are fit. I cannot see this happening, but I hope he stays. Somehow, but dont know how!

  34. RA says:

    GN5, @ 2:41

    A good and apt analogy, but you have the satisfaction of producing the best Beef Wellington in blogdom!!! :-)

  35. GunnerN5 says:

    RA, but its seems that its indigestible?

  36. Big Raddy says:

    Fabianski though there are arguments both ways. Reward loyalty or reward a future AFC great?

  37. Rasp says:

    Hi GN5, the number of hits for your post is consistent with the other days – its just that there is nothing to argue with in your posts ….. we just all enjoy reading them. As you know, good news doesn’t sell newspapers and equally a nice post such as yours is not going to create any antagonism.

  38. GunnerN5 says:

    RA, as usual only Arsene knows the answer.

  39. GunnerN5 says:

    I meant that for Raddy. duh!!!

  40. stevepalmer1 says:

    What i like about this post and the footage is the Englishness about it all, if that’s a word. English names and proper English traditions, where a goal was scored and the celebrations of an old fashioned hand shake. The camaraderie of the players. Tradition is sought after and supporters love to feel that a club has history. I can remember as a boy how commentaries seemed so posh and how they sounded so eloquent.

    The North South divide seemed Huge as if the other was like playing the Germans. England Players seemed in those days to be held in high esteem.

    In later years we got knocked out of the World cup by Poland and i remember thinking Christ we went to war for them and they knock us out.

    Got to say posts like this makes you look back to the good old days as we used to put it, and sometimes i preferred it.

  41. GunnerN5 says:

    Gee Steve, sometimes I yearn for it.

    I remember sitting in my Granddads living room waiting for him to come home and listening to the horses clip clopping along Stavordale Road. It was a cobbled street back then and the sound was wonderful. When the sound stopped outside then house I would dash to the front door, my Granddad (a coalman) had arrived home for lunch and he would always give me a ride around the block on his horse and cart – my Grandma would go crazy when I arrived back covered in coal dust.

  42. White Bear says:

    ‘listening to the horses clip clopping ‘ – oh dear, that’s so romantic. I should have been born at least a 100years ago, I would have loved it

    Mind you, I wouldn’t be allowed to the football matches and be banged up in Poland. Would probably not heard of Arsenal. No, that’s not good. I think that after all I am pleased I was born when I was, horses clip clopping or not

  43. stevepalmer1 says:

    Well would you Adam and Eve it, I was born in Shorditch but we moved to Hertfordshire when i was 2, every other week we went to visit my Nan and Grandad on the Trolly buses He was also a Coal man. The story my Mum told me that he was with horses in the war, so he had a love for them, apparently he saw another coal man flogging a horse and he dragged him off his cart and sorted him out. Got to say i never saw his horse and cart and not to much of him, as he died..

  44. neamman says:

    Great post as always. Its amazing that Grimsby are today playing Alfreton in the hope of making the playoffs to get out of the conference! They were a great old side, I can remember them in the old div 2 I think¸back in the 50s or 60s, Though I may be mistaken, I will have to check on Wiki.

  45. neamman says:

    I can remember the coal man but cant honestly say if he was using a horse and cart or a lorry at that time. I certainly remember a horse and cart rag and bones man.. and no.. I don’t mean Steptoe and Son!!!!

  46. GunnerN5 says:

    Steve, strangely enough both of my Granddads were coalmen, my maternal Granddad had his coal round in Highbury whereas my fraternal Granddad worked in N7 around Caledonian Road –
    unfortunately he got killed in WW2 so I knew very little of him.

  47. neamman says:

    Yeah I was right, for part of the 50s and 60s Grimsby were in the old second division.

  48. Gööner In Exile says:

    Neamann sadly a football club’s fate is often tied to the strength of the local economy.

    Both Grimsby and Hull would have been thriving when everything arrived via sea, and we are fish caught on our shores.

  49. GunnerN5 says:

    Looking back into the history of the FA Cup I was surprised to see that Blackburn Rovers were the 1st winning team whose name we would recognize and they won the Cup 5 times in a 7 year period between 1883/84 and 1890/1891.

  50. GunnerN5 says:

    should read 1882/83 and 1890/91

  51. RA says:

    Exile,

    — “and we are fish caught on our shores.”

    Have you been drinking? :-)

  52. Big Raddy says:

    GIE. Poetry, pure poetry….

  53. stevepalmer1 says:

    A mate of mine was a Wednesday supporter, i remember asking him why, Yeh you guessed it he was born on a Wednesday. But they also was a first division team, I wonder whether they will be again top league that is. :)

  54. arnie says:

    Lovely comments, everyone. :)

  55. Gööner In Exile says:

    Unintentional poetry aside, bloody iPhone :) are should’ve been ate.

  56. arnie says:

    GN5: The mystery is, why are the northern journos not so bile spewing towards the Chavs? Or, are they?

  57. Big Raddy says:

    arnie. Because no-one cares about Chelsea. They do not excite or entertain and apart from the manager and the criminal behaviour of the Club Captain nothing about them is interesting.

    GIE. I much prefer the “are”

  58. GunnerN5 says:

    Maybe Roman Abramovich has them scared off?

  59. arnie says:

    Raddy: boring boring Chavs? :) Yes, they play a boring brand of football, but have been reasonably successful in buying success.

    GN5: or bought off? money certainly plays a role, but I think there is another issue as well.

    Chelsea, or if you prefer Abramovitch, was the first to experiment with just buying expensive players and finding out whether one can build a team out of these disparate players.

    When Chelsea started doing this, this was not the dominant religion. RM and Barca at least tried to build teams rather than put together big players and somehow organise them into a squad. Quickly this became the dominant religion of a society that beileves in the religion that success and brilliance can be bought.

    Now most journos, indeed most football fans and clubs are followers of this religion. Arsenal dares to be different and is therefore hated even more. Cliches followed, like “miserly Arsenal or its owner” and “you cannot win anything with kids”.

    This is in addition to the northern bias. :sad:

    There is I think some logical consistency in that argument, though dont know whether I am expressing this clearly. Perhaps the topic of a post.

  60. arnie says:

    Micky: how was the Cornish coast? I was so jealous in the morning. Then, we left for Edinburgh and got stuck in the holiday traffic. Took a detour up on the top of the hills around Perth. Absolutely fantastic. The Tay river and valley on one side, and the edge of the Highlands on the other (not quite, more like the Trossachs), both bathed in glorious sunshine.

    What was amazing was that there was a lot of snow on teh high ground. Quite unusual for mid-April particularly since temperatures have been consistently mid-teens last few days. Stunning. :-)

  61. kelsey says:

    Morning

    It is already 2 weeks today since dandan was taken from us and I wondered if any more thought or ideas had been brought forward as to a tribute or if anyone is attending the funeral(see original thread for time and place.)

  62. White Bear says:

    Kels – what is the original thread? When is the funeral?
    At one stage we could take a replica FA cup 2014 to him, he’d like that. With some red and white flowers in perhaps

  63. White Bear says:

    oo la la, a rumour has it that Barca are contemplating selling Messi. He won’t be going cheap, around 250m euros, but hey shall we get him? Can you just imagine Lionel in a red and white shirt…..I am salivating

    Is there a club on this planet that can buy Messi for that price without breaking the FFP rules??

  64. kelsey says:

    The funeral will be on the 25th APRIL AT 14.00 HOURS AT Crowland Abbey.

    The Post is the 6thApril The Loss of a Gooner, evonne.

  65. stevepalmer1 says:

    Morning all,
    Didn’t Know Dan Dan, but have read some of his stuff, sounded like old school football supporter to me, An Arsenal scarf and bobble hat with an old time rattle where he could rattle his way into the Marble halls of the Pearly gates is an idea.

  66. Gööner In Exile says:

    Morning Kelsey, unfortunately I cannot make the funeral, think Rasp suggested using email to discuss some kind of tribute on the site. And as I asked previously if there is any memorial fund being set up by the family for any particular charity or cause close to DanDans heart I would like to know so that I could contribute.

  67. kelsey says:

    GIE

    Anne and I have spoken a couple of times since Cliff (dandan) passed away and there is no particular charity or cause that she thought he had his heart set on.

    She thought a rosette with perhaps all the comments on the thread that Rasp created could somehow be printed off and just simply Arsenal Arsenal incorporated into the rosette or some other floral tribute.

    You are quite right that a few of us offered various suggestions by e mail straight after we heard the news but then it got a bit quiet and with just 6 days until the funeral and the Easter break upon us now, I thought it might be appropriate to bring it up again on here quite publically.

  68. White Bear says:

    GiE – I thought that Dandan’s son, a Pool supporter suggested we set up a fund to buy a striker for his Dad’s favourite team

  69. kelsey says:

    Talking about Liverpool,John Henry was interviewed yesterday on BBC Radio 5 Live about Liverpool’s chances of winning the league.

    He said it would be a bonus as top 4 was their aim and that so many results were unpridactable this season and then said Sunderland beating City a few days ago was an example :) Typical overseas owner,can’t even get the result right.

  70. Morning all

    I think we need a post for today, can anyone rustle up a quickie? Just gonna check arsenalnuts in case there’s something in there.

  71. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    No time this morning to write a post – taking some Americans on a walking tour. Really looking forward to it as it is a lovely day here.

  72. GunnerN5 says:

    6:30 am here in London, Ontario and I’ve just signed on, looks like Peaches request at 7:48 am closed a lot of keyboards down.

    Come on fellow bloggers its your site to enjoy – so do a little to contribute.

  73. GunnerN5 says:

    Kelsey,

    I feel that a side bar memorial/tribute here on AA would be most fitting, as unlike wreaths or flowers it would remain forever.

    A starting line could be-

    Cliff XXX –
    xxxx – 2014

    In memory of our fellow blogger dandan.

    I would nominate either Rasp or RA to write complete the wording as they both display a great usage of the English language.

  74. arnie says:

    just out of bed. can draft something quick and dirty within an hour. if needed. it will be a pity not to have a headline post.

  75. RA says:

    While arnie is doing something quick and dirty in bed, I wonder how the disconnected, natural born moaners think of the elevation to young Rambo to the short list of Young Player of the Year?

    Yes, you know the player who was vilified by the ‘knowledgeable’ experts on all matters football? The kind of guys who pop up on blogs all over the internet, and who have little if anything to commend them to those of us reading the blogsites, and who crucified the guy when he returned from long term injury.

    These people go very quiet or have an instant conversion and try to convince us that they always knew the Welsh Wizard would come good. Oh yeah?

    Not satisfied with that, they have now turned their ‘expert’ attention to Ozil, damning him with faint praise that yeah he can be OK but we never needed him — he hasn’t got the bottle for Premiership football — Madrid showed he was not all that wonderful, that’s why they got rid of him — and so on, and so on.

    Look, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the scary thing is that if we took this principle to its logical conclusion, we could go to these guys for advice on out dental work, or a bust shoulder (are you listening, Peaches? :-) ) or perhaps they could give one of the top ranking neurosurgeons the benefit of their huge non-knowledge and no-experience wisdom.

    To be candid, individually I do not give a stuff what these people say.
    What worries me though, is that like sheep once one of them proffers an ill thought out and frankly often stupid comment, there are many waiting to follow.

    So what you might say? Well it antagonises other fans with very different thoughts, and dissension is counterproductive for the good of the club, the manager and the members of the team.

    OK, this site is not opposed to different opinions, and that is right and proper, but when a blogger insists on savaging a player or the team or the manager, let it be understood that many of us would rather get our dental, medical and financial advice from qualifies experts and so to with football matters, we would rather rely on a highly educated, qualified, knowledgeable and experienced football manager — a bit like Arsene Wenger, as it goes.

  76. arnie says:

    Rasp, Peaches: sorry, late, but post sent to nuts.

  77. arnie says:

    Redders. :-) refreshed now from the dirty quickie in bed. :-)

  78. arnie says:

    Top comment, Redders. Nothing to disagree about. :-) Well said.

  79. Big Raddy says:

    arnie. I can’t find it. Can you send it direct to me?

  80. arnie says:

    now sent to your email, Raddy.

  81. Big Raddy says:

    Arnie has saved the day …. well played that man!

    we have a ……………

    New Post

  82. stevepalmer1 says:

    That was quite a mouthful RA, and well said might i say.

    Bloggers of course can only really comment on what they see, These people may not be experts but for some who played themselves and for many that have watched many games they have a fairly good knowledge of the game.

    I class myself as an obsessive football fan, I a do of course follow The Arsenal as my main team but i do watch many other teams as well. Mostly Premier or Champions League which is where my main focus is on.

    I am far away from being an expert but i can normally see a foul and a dive and the intent that certain players show. What a player does off the field does not bother me too much but having said that they are paid huge amounts to do the best for their clubs, if you leave a dirty mark somewhere then it reflects on the club and of course the club then have to deal with it.

    When talking about players skills and abilities i think its also important to add their fitness as well. A great player with bundles of skill is of little use if he sits in a sick bay for half a season.

    As for our young stars, i would say that they have shown that they have bundles of talent, but the whole lot of them would struggle to do a 40 hour week.

    The amount of sickness time they have out would never be tolerated in any other job, so that should be sorted out.

    Ramsey Walcott Wilshere Gibbs Gnabry Chamberlain for me haven’t shown staying power, plenty of talent skill and excitement but just not enough games played.

    As for our Marquee signing, masses of talent but short on confidence and seems injury prone Jury still out on him.

    Diaby Nuff said.

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