Vote: Should RvP Return?

Rumours are that Van Persie is going to leave that cesspit. Money and the chance to sate his inner child were the only reasons for leaving The Home of Football and now he has won his title he wants out. Should we resurrect his career?

Great players do not have to be great people (Shearer?) and RvP showed his true colours when shafting us just two summers ago. He had the chance to be an Arsenal great and have his own statue but instead took the 30 pieces of silver. This has coloured the way we look at him because he was,  let’s be honest,  fantastic in his final 2 seasons during which time he was the best striker in the PL if not the world.

Positives:

1. We need an additional striker; OG for all his talent cannot carry the attack. The loss of Theo has resulted in us not knowing whether they could really work in tandem as S&S do at Liverpool. Perhaps they can but given Theo’s proclivity for injury, we need back up.

2. RvP is almost at pension age and is doomed to the bench at MU, he needs a gig, perhaps he will accept less money.

3. He remains a wonderful, natural talent with the best left foot (and maybe right) in the PL.

4. Podolski, for all his Goonerdom, is not good enough for this team. He just hasn’t got a fast enough brain. RvP has.

5. Mr Wenger still has a fine relationship with RvP and looks upon him like a son.

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OK. Now why we shouldn’t buy him ….

1. He is a traitor

2. He is 31 in August.

3. He earns over £200k a week and has 2 years left on his MU contract – so we will have to buy him

4. He may not work well with a central striker like Giroud. It would require RvP to play off a CF, and we have plenty of number 10’s.

5. The players must have been very disappointed with his betrayal and he could cause problems in the dressing room.

6. He will never accept being a squad player.

My opinion is that we should let him rot in Manchester of try his luck at Galatasary (where old players with big names but no pace go before they play “soccer”.)

What do you think …..?

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133 Responses to Vote: Should RvP Return?

  1. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Had planned to crack on with work then come back to chat, but had to ROLF at this

    “try his luck at Galatasary (where old players with big names but no pace go before they play “soccer”.)”

    Funny, and true. Brilliant BR

  2. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Before I crack on, my vote is no. Too old and not part of the future.

    Naturally I didn’t like the way he went and the bollocks about his inner twat, but I never blamed him for leaving for trophies as such. Yes I believe we could have won something had he stayed and later teamed up with Mesut, but I remember how un-phased I was when we gladly welcomed Sol who left Tottenham for trophies.

  3. arnie says:

    Brilliant, Raddy, I had to vote before I read your post, and I voted …. no marks for guessing it right. :D :D :D

    Galatasaray is fine, but MLS will do even better for me. :razz: Maybe, Beckham’s new Miami franchise?

    (Late) motning all. Good banter as well. Micky’s return was well and truly felt. And to top it all, a poll today. Wow, dont we love polls? :D

    Kelsey, its a pity attendance was thin yesterday. But a mighty fine post it was. A pity!!!!! :sad:

    Now, who were we talking about, LB and GiE? I wonder. :razz:

  4. Khm says:

    Fuck no. We can do better..

  5. Sav from Australia says:

    Hell no! Traitors do not get let back and will not. There’s no chance the Boss will take him back and no chance the players will be able to accommodate the return the traitor. We have a good natured and decent bunch and I for one hope it stays this way.

    Besides, there are other younger players more suited to our burgeoning evolution. We do not need him. We really don’t.

  6. chuksyprdro says:

    no matter what let’s sign him back

  7. Big Raddy says:

    I voted No but there can be no question he would improve the squad.

    Plus he knows the set-up, the manager, the way to the training ground, the tea lady, etc etc

  8. kelsey says:

    Now there’s a headline will get massive of hits and possibly the suggestion that Raddy should be hung,drawn and quartered.

    Taking the emotion out of it, taking the 6/7 years we nursed him through numerous injuries, taking his comments that the club lacked ambition,guess what the answer is.

    He doesn’t like being upstaged or under payed compared to Rooney,he wants to be the main man.

    No doubt still a very fine player,has his kids in school over here which is often a major factor,still has a house in London,,but a bit like Rooney will dictate his own terms,though those little injury niggles are returning.

    If he did leave United and stayed in England I would wager the only club that might sniff around is Chelsea but most properly he would go abroad.

  9. dandan says:

    Interesting thoughts BR. But given that the press are lining up en masse to crucify AW if we don’t win anything and are prefacing this with the FA Cup is not enough, perhaps the real battle will be, can we,should we keep Lord Wenger rather than worry about brave Sir Robin? For without Arsene, Robin definitely won’t be an issue.

  10. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Thanks Raddy

    If the deal is a correct one, of course we should wellcome him back.

    Players returning in these sort of circumstances are as hungry as hell

    What matters is the Club, not the individual.

    My mantra is players are players not fans

    Besides ive met Van Persie and hes a nice geezer. Like I said hes no Arsenal fan, never will be, but people should remember hes no Utd fan either. Hes a professional footballer that loves football in general, and is a great player

  11. Danny says:

    Talking of ex-players’ I watched Cesc Fàbregas last night – oh what could have been……

  12. sue ohara says:

    No NO NO , I think he is a trouble maker, and would disrupt our squad….I am sure there are better & younger strikers out there, players who don’t have inner voices saying they should be playing for any other club but ARSENAL

    Doubt any of the fans would want him back

  13. dandan says:

    Also it will be interesting to see how City cope with the Arsenal treatment from the press seeing as the were mooting the likelihood of them winning the the so called “Quadruple” up until last Saturday. Wasn’t there a famous assassination elsewhere on the Ides Of march, now only two days away(Saturday) perhaps a certain Italian manager should also be watching his back. :-)

  14. TwentyTwelve says:

    Nicely done, BR. I assumed it will take some cash to get RVP, so I voted no. Would rather use that money to invest on someone younger. If somehow he comes cheap, then my vote would change.

  15. Rasp says:

    Thanks Raddy, it was a NO from me and quite an easy decision.

    If we have the ambition to sign Ozil and try for Suarez, we should aim higher than a 31 year old who still should be viewed as injury prone.

    I’m not too bothered about the loyalty thing except the effect it may have on morale in the dressing room. I think BSR is actually being disloyal to manure now by allowing the mystic powers that handle his affairs to let the world know he’s not happy there because he’s not going to win a title evry year :?

  16. Hey says:

    Id rather we promote Chuba

  17. GunnerN5 says:

    BR,

    For all RVP has done for Arsenal he most certainly should still get his own statue outside of The Emirates. It should be made of paper mache with a box of very large knitting needles beside it – to be used as fans see fit.

    The question is a mute one as he bit the hand that fed him and that hand has now turned into a fist.

    He deserves to be at Manchester Untied and they deserve him!

    Good riddance!

  18. arnie says:

    Good riddance indeed. R$P is unhappy at ManUre not so much because they are not winning, but because he is not the greatest star in the club. Self serving pompous pr**k. Bad potato. The further he stays from the club the better. MLS, I say. :D

  19. GunnerN5 says:

    Irishmen Mick and Paddy are enjoying day out at the horse race’s when Mick whispers to Paddy “do you want the winner of the next race?”

    Paddy replies “no tanks Mick, I’ve only got a small garden

  20. GunnerN5 says:

    Bloke at a horse race whispers to Paddy next to him, “do you want the winner of the next race?”
    Paddy replies “no tanks, I’ve only got a small garden

  21. GunnerN5 says:

    Oops two versions of the same joke – they will probably both bomb.

  22. GunnerN5 says:

    Mabye you’ll laugh at this one?

    ………………………………………………………………………………

    Paddy finds a sandwich with two wires stickin out of it. He phones the police and says “Bejesas I’ve just found a sandwich dat looks like a bomb.”
    The operator asks, “is it tickin?, Paddy says “No I tink it’s beef”

  23. Vintage Gooner says:

    One other positive not mentioned in the list is the possible major benefit for Mesut Ozil in having a football intelligent goalscorer. Ozil has missed Ramsey and to a lesser extent Walcott and I think it affects both his play and to a lesser extent his attitude.

    I must add that at the time RvP went I and many others shared his frustration that Arsenal appeared totally lacking in ambition. A players career is very short and at his age I can’t blame him for wanting at least one effective shot at silverware given his trophy cabinet being equally bare as ours!

    So I might vote yes. However I think he needs to contact us first to ask if we might take him back. We make clear to ManUre that we will only pay £12m or less for a player of his age and injury record. And RvP be told that he will get £100k per week with downward only reviews save possibly for bonusses for winning silverware – but not for the famed fourth place trophy.

    These conditions should resolve the whole matter very quickly.

  24. Big Raddy says:

    Vintage. You make a good point. Can’t see RVP accepting such a deal, can you?

  25. Vintage Gooner says:

    Big Raddy, my last sentence was intended to mean I don’t know whether RvP will be convulsed in laughter or tears but I don’t believe he will be booking a tube ticket to the Arsenal.

  26. LB says:

    You made your bed BSR, now lay in it.

  27. arnie says:

    LB: I suspect BSR does not do DIY, he will get a bedmaker to do it for him!!!! :D

  28. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Why are some people taking it so personally. Van Persie is a player, not a fan.

    We signed Sol Campbell for gods sake. Didn’t hear any body complaining then.

  29. LB says:

    Arnie

    I suspect you are right. He will get someone to help him to produce something that all admire and respect and then just when the bedmaker least expects BSR will slag him off, push the bed aside and change for one of those cheap looking Northern jobs.

  30. LB says:

    Here’s a thought. Maybe Ozil is not injured; Wenger just took him off at half time because he was playing crap — let’s face it, he was.

    Now, Wenger obviously cannot say this, hence we have the tweeked hamstring story.

    If Ozil is fit for Sunday we will all be so happy that we wont care about the details; but, on the other hand, the more observant will know that the half time exit due to a “hamstring issue” was a porky.

  31. LB says:

    LB you are clutching at straws.

  32. LB says:

    Yes, I know, best I could do.

  33. arnie says:

    LB: that sounds like BSR all right. :D tough times, very difficult to get people off their perch.

  34. arnie says:

    Terry: with due respect, do not fully agree. there are the players who are professional, play (solely) for money and benefits, and bugger off afterwards. And there are the players who play for the club because they feel part of the project. Fans cling to them even if they are perhaps not the best players, but because they are “true” Gooners.

    And then, there are the deserters who pretend to be true Gooners, and once they have earned the love and respect of the fans, stab the club in the back. BSR is one of them, as far as I am concerned.

    Right that I feel passionately about this, and so do many other fans. :D

  35. VCC says:

    If Van Judas signed for us I would never go and watch another game whilst he was in our squad. Simples.

    I hate the guy, and wish he would rot in the Mancs reserves for two years.

  36. Shard says:

    I think this is a non-story allowed to run by the RVP camp to let it be known he’s available, by the ManU camp because they know Ferguson loaded them with an asset that would soon convert into a liability because he only wanted one season from him, and allowed by Wenger to run through his non-comments because he’s probably enjoying it :) A player who accused Arsenal of lacking ambition wants to return from that awesomest of awesome British teams? Great. A great compliment to the club.

    But I wish it doesn’t happen. Not just because of taking it personally. Objectively he’s old(er) now, on bigger wages, ManU will probably want rid of him and get him off the wage bill, he thinks he should be the ‘star’ and not a team player effectively declaring himself bigger than Arsenal and ManU (Although ManU are to be faulted here because they made Rooney bigger than them by allowing him inputs into transfer targets, which is what RVP wanted with us apparently)

    And Terry, players are professional, but then there’s an ethos to professionalism beyond money and success. I have less of a problem with him demanding a transfer (although he was captain, he was injured a lot and had some personal troubles in the past, and the manager stood by him) but that statement to get the transfer was a crappy thing to do. As was the post transfer stuff with hugging Ferguson, kicking Sagna’s ankles for being cold to him on his return when he was hugging everyone in the tunnel, the baiting of Santos with the shirt exchange, etc.

    Spurs and Arsenal are not comparable. Not in their history, and not in the structure that both clubs have (Campbell actually used the word structure recently). Arsenal are where they are now because we did the same thing we’ve been doing all along these lean years. We’ve been building towards it. Spurs are where they are because of that too. No comparison.

  37. Jamie says:

    I found this and it really got me thinking…
    “What a difference 24 hours makes? On Wednesday, the English press’s response to Arsenal being
    knocked out of the Champions League, and Mesut Ozil going off at half time with a hamstring injury
    was a negative one… “Same old story as Arsenal crash out of Champions League” “Lost and lazy Ozil…he’s nicking a living” A day later, Manchester City got knocked out of the Champions League, Sergio Aguero went off at half
    time with a hamstring injury, and the press completely turned their negative Arsenal stories into
    positive Manchester City ones… “Brave City Bow Out” “Hamstring Dramas for Aguero” The differing response to both games is an interesting one. Arsenal drew away from home to the current European Champion’s, who currently sit 20 points clear
    of the Bundesliga. Manchester City lost 2-1 away from home to a side who themselves lost 7-0 on
    aggregate to last years European Champio, who currently sit 3rd in their domestic league. Both sides are out, both had their red card controversies, and both sides were comprehensively
    passed off the pitch. So why the differing opinions by the British press? The Guardian opens with “The Champions League is a tough, unforgivinsng competition” to make it
    clear that Man City going out was not a disaster, but “a reminder about the brutalities of football at the highest level.” Twice knocked out of the group stages, this year Manchester did not make it past the first knock out stage. Why did the press decide to describe them as brave, whilst saying Arsenal’s
    was ‘Same old story’? The Aguero/Ozil situation also highlights a clear bias in the presses thinking. Both got injured very
    early on in the 1st half and were taking off after half time. Aguero has been commended for battling
    through the 1st half and trying to do his best for the time. Whilst Ozil has been described as not only
    lost and lazy, but much worse. Ex Arsenal player turned pundit, John Hartson, even went as far as
    questioning the injury by saying Ozil needs to “re-asses whether he actually wants to play for
    Arsenal.” A lot was made of Mesut Ozil’s first half contribution in the press. “21 touches of the ball” was the
    sole statistic used to highlight how poor he was. Meanwhile, Brave, strong Sergio Aguero had 6
    touches of the ball, none of which were in the opponents box, attempted 3 passes, completing just 1,
    and that was at kick off. If any player should have been described as ‘Lost and Lazy’ it was Sergio
    Aguero. So why the differing view? For a long time, the press have been anti-Arsenal. Yes, every club will claim the press, or certain
    journalists, are anti-their club. But in Arsenal’s case, they have a point. From TalkSport’s ‘Daily
    Arsenal’, to Match of the Day’s continually mocking of Arsene Wenger, the written press are probably
    the worst for being biased against Arsenal. In the late 90′s/early 00′s, Arsenal had a poor disciplinary record. Recently, Arsenal got their 100th
    red card. A lot was made of it. But little was made of Arsenal continually topping the fair play league
    over the last 10 years. After the poor discipline, the next stick the press used to bash Arsenal as that of being ‘softies’. This
    highlights the rank hypocrisy of the British press. One moment they are having a go at Arsenal for
    being too rough, the next they are moaning about being too soft. The foreign agenda that the press had also got up my noise. Whilst Arsenal were going unbeaten,
    with a perfect disciplinary record, the press continually highlighted our lack of English players. The
    agenda peaked during our Champions League run of 2006 when Alan Pardew proclaimed in his
    newspaper column that Arsenal were not an English side. No mention was made of other top clubs
    (Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Tottenham) not producing an England regular since the 90s,
    nor is it ever mentioned that it was Liverpool who played once played an FA Cup Final without a single Englishman in the line up – 1985/86. A final example is the Arsenal trophy drought. Is any other clubs ‘lack of trophies’ mentioned as much
    as Arsenal? I can be watching Blackpool v Blackburn, and they will mention it. In every written article
    about Arsenal, it is mentioned. Yet what of Everton’s trophy drought? What of Aston Villa’s? Why do
    they not talk about the last time Tottenham or Liverpool won the league? It is getting quiet clear that
    there is an anti-Arsenal agenda in the press. But Why? The traditional English press was based in Fleet Street. Fans of West Ham and Tottenham made up
    their majority. The only thing they could agree on was bashing Arsenal. It is often why still, even
    now, West Ham and Spurs get an easy ride on the press. Moving on to the spoken press, there is a
    massive North-West bias. The majority of BBC, ITV, Sky and BT Sport pundits come have associations
    with either Manchester United or Liverpool. The 3rd most represented club is Tottenham. It creates a
    situation were negativity about other clubs is suppressed, whilst the likes of MOTD, with their ex- Liverpool and Tottenham line up bash Arsenal. Alan Hansen has never quite got over 1989. Why are
    there so many Scousers working as pundits these days? And of course, the press also do not want to upset Liverpool or Manchester united, as both have
    previously restricted access or refused to buy publications of those who do. Taking biased journalism aside, there is another reason so much is written about Arsenal. Arsenal fans, over and above any other club, are media hungry. A phone-in about Arsenal on a radio
    station gets the most call ins. A back page about Arsenal gets the most readers. A headline on a
    website about Arsenal gets the most hits. we have more blogs then any other club. We have more
    podcasts then any other club. Chances are you were linked to this blog through a news aggregators –
    Arsenal has the most, or twitter – Arsenal have the most followers, or Facebook – Arsenal have the
    most likes. The fact is, you, we, are part of the problem. If we did not read, listen, watch as much, less would be written. Is it our higher level of education that causes this (Spurs fans can’t read so do
    not buy papers)? Or is it that due to the bashing, we fight back, through phone-ins, through blogs. The media is biased against Arsenal. This bias reared its ugly head once more in the response to
    Arsenal and Manchester City going out of the Champions League. If you do not believe there is a bias,
    buy a paper, go online, read the articles, and judge for yourself.”

  38. GunnerN5 says:

    In spite of the total lack of enthusiasm shown by the readers I refuse to stop until I, at least, hear a chuckle.

    ……………………………………………………………………………

    Mick walks into Paddy’s barn and catches him dancing naked in front of a tractor. Mick says, “Oh, no, Paddy, what ya doing?”
    Paddy says, “Well me and Mary haven’t been getting on in the bedroom lately & the therapist recommended I do something sexy to a tractor.”

  39. arnie says:

    GN5: I am quietly enjoying your efforts to cheer us up ….. :D :D it is eeriely quiet on AA these days, is it not? :D

  40. GunnerN5 says:

    Jamie,

    In the end who cares about the press – my skin is so thickened and I’m so sickened by their fabrications that in the end I don’t give a damn and I refuse to even read their crap.

    If we know better why bother with them?

  41. Shard says:

    Did anyone realise that on Tuesday, Podolski had his first appearance in the CL proper this season?

  42. GunnerN5 says:

    Yea Arnie, all we can do is keep on being us.

    If folks don’t want to participate as much as before there is not much we can do. However a lot of classy people still blog along with us and as other folks need arises they will be back.

  43. GunnerN5 says:

    Paddy says to Mick – I’m ready for a holiday, only this year I’m going to do it a bit different. 3 years ago I went to Spain and Mary got pregnant. 2 years ago I went to Italy and Mary got pregnant. Last year I went to Majorca and Mary got pregnant.”
    Mick asks – So what are you going to do this year?.”
    Paddy replies, – I’ll take her with me!”

  44. arnie says:

    ha ha ha, GN5, “keep on being us”!!!!! great spirit, and lovely jokes. :D :D

  45. jnyc says:

    Can we turn Jamies comment into a post one day. Just need to turn it into paragraphs. MANY good points made. I know we shouldn’t care so much about these media things, but they bother me too.
    Good job Jamie.

  46. jnyc says:

    Gn5, I’m going to re tell that joke today at work. :-)

  47. JanMan says:

    Good one BR. Personally he is a top class striker and that is all that matters to me. Does the Arsenal need a top class striker, yes they do! No brainer, sign him.

    Here’s food for thought. When is the EPL going to come on line with the rest of Europe and introduce a winter break? There are far too many games played in England and players need a rest. The winter break is a must. I am aware of the English tradition and playing on Boxing day and New Years day but my personal opinion is that this needs to change. The break works everywhere else with no problem so why not in England?

  48. arnie says:

    good idea, jync, regarding Jamie’s post, :D and good idea, regarding telling GN5’s jokes at work. :razz: I am ducking under my tabl, just in case there are brickbats flying!!!!! :razz:

  49. kelsey says:

    I agree with jnyc about Jamies well thought out post which must have taken a lot of research.
    It’s OK to say you are thick skinned GN5 :) but I don’t know the real reason for this constant negativity but is it aimed at Arsene or the players.
    Maybe the media just want to be contraversial and don’t really mean (sometimes) what they print or say.
    Newspaper sales are plummeting ,twitter and the Internet in general can turn an assumption into fact.

    I have said before that I started supporting Arsenal in the middle of our most recent longest drought (1958) and honestly don’t remember an anti Arsenal bias,but then we weren’t regarded as a top team and didn’t get massive coverage,and in any case that era was completely different.

  50. GunnerN5 says:

    Another piece of dry humour for arnie.

    ……………………………………………………………………………….

    Paddy’s in the bathroom and Murphy shouts to him. “Did you find the shampoo?”

    Paddy says, “Yes but it’s for dry hair and I’ve just wet mine.”

  51. chas says:

    Cheers, BR.
    Don’t want him back.

    Jamie’s comment is cut and pasted from here, that’s why he wrote in the first sentence “I found this and it really got me thinking…”

    http://youaremyarsenal.com/media-bias-against-arsenal-say-it-isnt-so-or-is-it/

  52. arnie says:

    great run, GN5. :D :D

    kelsey: I was actually planning a post on this issue, “The Value (or Lack of) in Being Different”, arguing that it is the club philosophy under attack, rather than Arsene or the players. At the same time, perhaps this different philosophy is one of the reasons why the club has the kind of supporters that we have, who I would argue, are different as well. The club offers a differentiated philosophy, and this generates its own market. Unfortunately, no time to compose a post at the moment, but will do so at some point.

    On thick skin, GN5 and Kelsey, I think of myself as being thick-skinned. I give a monkeys to what the journo or twatter world says about us. But that does not mean I am not irritated by the attitude taken by the journos and pundits. Perhaps a contradiction, but there you go. :D

  53. GunnerN5 says:

    I hear you Kelsey, and like you I have no idea where the bias and pure hatred even stems from, but I truly don’t give a damn. We are an incredibly successful football club despite them and their negative press coverage. All we lack are a few tin pots, but even when we do start winning titles and Cups again they will find another angle to belittle our triumphs – its inevitable so why bother getting upset with them or caring what they write or say.

    Lack of readers and viewers will eventually drive them away – its just a matter of time.

  54. GunnerN5 says:

    Paddy says to Mick, “Christmas is on a Friday this year”
    Mick says “Let’s hope it’s not the 13th

  55. kelsey says:

    from the article chas posted

    You can add Eduardo and the apparent dive to that list. We saw many dives before and since then and no one has dragged anyone nowhere. The British press were united in dragging an Arsenal player to UEFA. Unfortunately it’s not just the press. The refs have been part of it and the effect of their decisions have been more influential. RVP yellow v Barca? The routine weekly injustices by EPL refs. Remember the 4-4 v Newcastle? I notice Wenger intentionally keeps from criticising refs now to reduce the effect. Can’t wait to read his book after he retires

  56. GunnerN5 says:

    Our idiot player strikes again.

    ………………………………………………………………..

    Arsenal’s Nicklas Bendtner tells cabbie ‘I will f*** you’ while ‘whipping taxi with belt’

  57. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Arnie & Shard

    Fair enough gentlemen, I see your views.

    We can skirt around this issue as much as we like but my viewpoint remains unchanged.

    Players are players, not fans. I expect nothing more than 100% commitment when they play, anything else is down to them.

    The Campbell situation is comparable. This was a guy who left Totnumb for there bitter rivals despite been there youth product, captain, and self proclaimed fan.

    Dancing around hypocrisy is not for me. However unpalatable the truth, it is still the truth. For me anyway.

  58. Shard says:

    The Campbell situation is comparable only in the bitterness among fans. It is not comparable in terms of leaving a team that (contrary to the media line) has been close to winning trophies (admittedly not getting over the line) and was well on its way to having a massive increase in its spending potential, which is being seen 2 years on (and we might have had a chance last season with RVP and the additions we made. Though I suppose it’s questionable if we would have bought them if he’d stayed).

    Tottenham had nothing even close to offer and 12 years on still don’t. Leaving Tottenham is like leaving Everton or Wigan to go to a title contender. It’s only significant for Spurs fans (and understandably so) because he joined us.

  59. Shard says:

    IN the 4 years before Campbell left Spurs they finished 14th (34 points behind league winners) 11th (32 pts) 10th (38pts) and finally 12th (31pts)

    In the 4 years before RVP left Arsenal ARsenal finished 4th (18 pts), 3rd (9 pts), 4th (12 pts) and 3rd (19 pts)

  60. Big Raddy says:

    Sad to say I agree with Terry. Players are not fans and only money talks. But it works both ways – there are plenty of the youth squad who are mad gooners and yet get moved on by the club.

    I don’t blame anyone for leaving the club as long as they leave with dignity and speak about the club with respect.

    RvP leaving to more than double his wages is in my view entirely understandable. You would do the same no matter how much you love The Arsenal

  61. Shard says:

    Oh and Campbell joined a team that finished 10 points behind the league winners in 2001. Didn’t prove insurmountable as they finished 7 points ahead of second placed Liverpool the next year. Could RVP have had a similar impact at Arsenal if he’d stayed? I think he could have.

    However, he made his decision. And he chose the manner in which he carried out that decision. I don’t think it objectively compares to Sol Campbell’s decision, although the emotional aspect is similar, if not worse in Sol’s case.

  62. chas says:

    Surely the difference between Campbell and bsr is that one was joining us, so should be praised to the rafters, the other was leaving us, so should be rightly villified.
    Simple, innit.

  63. Big Raddy says:

    Three quarters of the vote so far do not want RvP. I am not surprised but in my mind he would do a great job alongside Ozil

  64. Big Raddy says:

    chas. Brilliant in it’s simplicity!

  65. arnie says:

    Raddy: “I don’t blame anyone for leaving the club as long as they leave with dignity and speak about the club with respect.” The bottomline, as far as I am concerned. That is what separates the Rambos of this world and the R$Ps. The wheat and the chaff. Good riddance, good luck and good bye. :D

  66. Big Raddy says:

    Just spoke to my favourite Spur. He is delighted that his team is fully fit apart from the hapless Dawson ands very confident about tonight and Sunday.

  67. RA says:

    Re Chas’ comment concerning the other blog’s Post that Jamie copied on to here earlier – there is very similar Post on Untold Arsenal today.

  68. White Bear says:

    Sorry lads, but it is either van Persi or me. He comes back, I am giving my notice.

  69. arnie says:

    Why should you be sorry, White Bear, it is a matter of opinion. And no issue perhaps generates as much divided opinion amongst AA ers as R$P. Wjichever way you go, you have company. Great fun!!! :D

  70. JanMan says:

    Can’t believe no one commented on my @3.15 post. Thought for sure that would get some comments going, sometimes I wonder why I bother :-)

  71. Fcuk him !
    He left with lovely dark hair ( Transplant only likes his hair and saying he has met him…..well…if “met” is another word for stalking, then yes, he has “met” him ! ) and would come back with more grey hair than me !, so sign me instead and I will guarantee you that the little boy inside me will be left at home bound and gagged !.

  72. LB says:

    Well, that is it decided then White Bear, RvP is definitely not coming back.

  73. JanMan…..you should have gone to Specsavers !……….we have a winter break at Arsenal………they have a trip away to the London Colney Injury Clinic !.

  74. LB says:

    “Nicklas Bendtner: The 6ft 4in toddler in his own bubble of absurdity”

    This made me laugh from the Mirror.

  75. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    hahaha, how you doing Cornwall?

    Yes, Van Persie used to be neighbour of a friend of mine and I met him at a party.

    We had a game of pool and I let him beat me.

    I also praised his skills, hair, clothes, and looks. In fact, I was close to pulling my trousers down but other people might have noticed.

    I don’t want to be misunderstood. If I met him now I would probably beat him over the head with the pool stick and be forcibly removing his trousers

  76. arnie says:

    well JanMan, that is life! When the site is asleep, you try to break the sleep with something a bit controvertial and certainly off-topic. Sometimes it does work :D but usually it does not! :sad: Personally, I have no views. But I like the opportunity to watch some footie on the tele over Christmas, rather than some silly sitcoms! :razz:

  77. Big Raddy says:

    Janman. I had planned to respond but forgot. This is what happens when one reaches the autumn of one’s life :-D

    I am completely against a winter break and thankfully so are the FA.

    Their reasons are purely financial as are the PL because with no other football in Europe everyone tunes into the PL.

    My reasons are – there was no winter break in the past when players played far more games than today and with smaller squads. Why start now?

    I could continue but this will make a good subject for a post on a quiet day

  78. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Evening all,

    Beautiful weather day. Expecting hose pipe ban by tomorrow lunch.

    Interestingly, I had this Brave discussion with some Gooners in Munich, and one was saying how he was unpopular within the squad, and had real issues with Ramsey in particular.

    Is this true. The source was an intelligent chap and appeared far from a sensationalist gossipy type.

  79. GunnerN5 says:

    Raddy – On a quiet day? That must mean any day of late.

  80. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ah JanMan

    Followed your advice on a beerhaus, in fact probably visited them all :-)

    I’m afraid I ignored your Schnitzel venue in favour of somewhere chosen by a Mate. It was epic Bavarian grub. So thanks anyway.

  81. GunnerN5 says:

    Is this true. The source was an intelligent chap and appeared far from a sensationalist gossipy type.

    Micky do you mean like Kelsey?

  82. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I’m against a winter break as well, although I would ban the League Cup and reduce the League by two teams.

    Well, for us anyway. I would leave the League Cup for Tottenham, and expand The Europa by a hundred teams and play them on Tuesdays as well as Thursdays. At 6:00am :-)

  83. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GN5 :-)

    No-one is like Kelsey. He of the foggy crystal balls

  84. Gööner In Exile says:

    There’s you’re bath of silver and gold Robin, now go take a long soak.

    (I would have said bed but LBbeat me to it)

    Jamie very good comments. Did you see Danny Mills suggesting City need to spend big I they want to progress further in the CL. That headline on BBC web amazed me this morning. As you say the change on storyline is not lost on us Arsenal fans which is why I get so annoyed when I see fans who seem to believe all that is written by the press about Arsenal. They fuel the fire by allowing the press angle to become truth by often repeating.

    The media suggests Arsenal should spend more and when the team go out it is with that on their mind I guess, whereas City adopt the spend spend spend mentality that sells papers as it means transfer after transfer to report on, but gloss over the lack of relative success that spending has brought. Yes I know they have now won three trophies since the Arabs have taken over but I’d suggest that given the level of spending that’s the least they should have done.

  85. Hi Stretch, I`d like to say I`m doing fine….which I am, but nowadays, I`m more worried about Arsenal`s injuries !. So when my farmer neighbour said the other day …..”how you doing ? “…….I said……” not so good Garfield !…….Ozil has a hamstring problem…..Theo has done his cruciate ligament !……..Diaby is on a life support machine !……Jack Wheelchair has broke a bone in his foot ! “. Garfield said…” OK, I`ll see you later ! “.
    I was not having that and started whistling to his sheep dog, to round up Garfield into a hay bale wrapping machine, so that I could keep his attention and carry on about my aches and pains !………” Rambo has a dodgy thigh !………Gibbs is made from the same glass as RVP !……..Monreal !… no one fcuking knows !………and Kalstrom is from Schweeden !.”. I then took Garfields prized Bull to the vets to have Garfield`s arse removed from his horn !.

  86. VCC says:

    JanMan 6:20……snap

  87. Shard says:

    Micky

    I think the rumour about Ramsey being disliked by RVP started with an article by someone who claimed to be his friend (he might be) during Euro 2012.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/49f4621a-aab2-11e1-9331-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2koQFnq1e

    That and of course RVP shouting at Ramsey for taking a shot instead of passing to him so he could score against City (?) and have the record for most teams scored against in the league or something. Ramsey’s shot was terrible but he was perfectly within his rights to shoot I felt. Even though RVP was a hero then, I didn’t like the way he shouted at Ramsey. Who knows whether there was a deeper meaning to it?

    His statement did essentially say his teammates weren’t good enough for him, so that might be enough to cause some resentment. RVP isn’t the only player with pride, ego and a desire to win.

  88. kelsey says:

    Voting on the poll is really about should a player show loyalty to a club he has been at for years or jump ship to get a far increased wage packet.Money talks all languages so loyalty goes out of the window

  89. kelsey says:

    Raddy I can’t agree and side with Janman.

    Many countries have a winter break and we do play far too much football.

    The European Cup as it was then called was for Champions only so just taking that for an example now we have with group and knockout stages for the top clubs that is a lot of matches.

    We never had these idiotic friendly matches to the extent we have today and of course they are always strategically placed at ludicrous times.

    The Europa Cup in its present formula has far more game than the old Inter City Fairs Cup.

  90. Big Raddy says:

    kelsey. Of course we had friendlies. Sometimes during the season.

    And the double side of 70/71 played over 70 games through the season .

    True the modern Arsenal team have to cope with international travel for the CL but going first class in a jet is hardly exhausting especially when one does it from a young age.

    I endorse Micky’s idea – 2 less teams in the PL and make the CC for the PL U-21’s or B teams.

  91. GunnerN5 says:

    Kelsey,

    The downside of that argument is that less teams equals less money and its the money which is driving football. Teams budgets are bases on revenues received, and less games means less TV and gate revenue for all teams Including the big boys, how do the advocates of a winter break figure that teams could possibly compensate for a such a considerable drop in earnings?

    Sounds like pie in the sky thinking to me.

  92. Big Raddy says:

    VCC. 7.09 ???

    What is there to discuss about your 2.03 comment?

  93. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Kelsey, its not just about money. A lot of these players grow up without really supporting or a side, or once playing becomes more serious have it drummed out of them.

    Its about many things, but mainly money and glory I think.

    As a kid I cried when Brady left, but many years later I still regard him as a hero, not because he played for us or that he came back to work on the coaching staff.

    It was because as a youngster I would marvel at his skills and dream of his dribbles (hahaha). Watching Chippys skills got me into football, and for me, that makes him a hero.

    I hold nothing against Liam, Van Persie, or any other player. They have there own agenda, money, glory, professional development etc, and I have mine which is watching Arsenal play and willing them to win, who ever wears the shirt.

  94. arnie says:

    Traditions are important, and money is important, and the two come together here. It may be traditional for the rest of Europe to have a season break in Christmas, but it is not the tradition in the EPL. The rest of the EPL is populated by oilers and oiler-clones who practice financial doping, but we do not, because We Are The Arsenal. Same thing as far as I am concerned. Tradition.

    Second, we need the money. Where does the money come from? From people across the world watching the game on tele. When do maximum people watch. During Christmas.

    Money and tradition come together here, so it is a no brainer, as far as I can see. :D :D :D

  95. arnie says:

    Sorry, GN5, just saw I repeated your 7:43, well almost! :razz:

  96. GunnerN5 says:

    I thought it was an echo……………well almost!

  97. arnie says:

    GN5: :D

  98. GunnerN5 says:

    Sherwood has stop crowing at White Cockerel Lane 0-1 Benfica after 30 minutes.

  99. GunnerN5 says:

    Oops should have read at the White Cockerel Coop.

  100. Big Raddy says:

    Fine evenings sport. England win a thriller in the cricket and Spurs getting beaten (so far)

  101. Big Raddy says:

    Spurs will have to really go for it now as Eriksen has scored a superb FK which gives them a chance.

  102. Big Raddy says:

    Tim Sherwood didn’t look happy :-D

  103. RA says:

    Was that Tim Sherwood? I could have sworn that was Pardew! :-)

    The Spuds looked distinctly average – hope it stays that way.

  104. RA says:

    GN5,

    That was a sterling day’s comic quips. I enjoyed them and I am sure others did too. :-)

  105. arnie says:

    Yes, distinctly average, except Eriksen. :D :D On with the show! :D

  106. RA says:

    Terry
    You are probably cooped up with your pigeons by now, but you might like to explain an earlier comment;

    — “I hold nothing against Liam, Van Persie, or any other player.”

    You see, the Cockie Monster told me that you were always holding something against anything that did not run away. :-)

  107. arnie says:

    “Van Persie ‘wants to sign new deal’ Robin van Persie is keen to stay at Manchester United beyond the end of his current contract and is fully behind David Moyes.” Source: Beebs

  108. GoonerB says:

    Thanks for the post Raddy. Bit short of time at the moment so couldn’t comment till now. I did pop on and vote a big no earlier though. I still smart at the way he went and can’t get myself round to Terry’s view on it.

    I feel Arsene knew he had a top player on his hands and didn’t go out and replace him when he was perpetually injured. He arguably made big sacrifices to wait for RVP, and who knows what that may have done to our potential to win silverware in that period. I think Arsene somewhat put his reputation on the line to wait for him to come good and what did he get in return?

    In addition to this I also take the more practical view indicated by Rasp sometime earlier when he said that to pay good money for an injury prone 31 year old who will likely be slowing down now is not a good idea. I think there will be a number of options in the summer and feel we should look for a new younger pacy version of him, one that will hopefully not be so injured and that can give us a real return.

    So it is a no from me but I must warn you that I am open to outright hypocrisy given the opportunity.

  109. Gööner In Exile says:

    Kelsey I think we all understand that money will talk. And I don’t think I’d worry so much about his return if it wasn’t for one thing……

    His public statement about wanting to leave the club. I can only hope that meant he didn’t get his loyalty bonus like Cesc got because Cesc didn’t put in a transfer request.

    Arnie his comments are for the Matchday programme, wait until the off season and we will see. His body language is terrible on the pitch. Listened to the Palace fan Kevin Day who said he always loved watching BSR because he is one of the great players to watch, but he reckoned when United played them just after the Rooney contract, Roomey did what Rooney does was everywhere, but Robin stood around like he couldn’t give a damn for the whole game.

  110. kelsey says:

    Morning GIE

    He obviously is an avid reader of AA :) andnow suddenly he wants to extend his career at United. I don’t believe a word,I reckon he and his advisers have been discretly looking at various options and the bst deal is for him to say publically he wants to stay and that might be reverse psychology to get other clubs interested.

    With regards to Spurs I have to admit that Sherwood is again not the right man but he fell for the provoking gestures by the Benfica manager and I have to say Benfica look a pretty competent side.

    Shame to hear Ramsey’s comeback has been delayed.(where have we heard that before)

  111. Gööner In Exile says:

    Agree on Rambo, I think it may be time for the club to stop putting return dates on players.

    Just say “out until he is fit again” then there are no expectations set and if they play once before the end of the season we will be happy :D

  112. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Reading between the lines Mr Wenger seems unhappy that Ozil played on after he was injured.

    Ramsey’s set back is also a blow.

    These muscle and ligament strains are a mystery, do other clubs get so many?

  113. mickydidit89 says:

    Morning all
    Can’t blog from laptop as something wrong with explorer and chrome and pop ups and and…
    Mobile takes too long
    Just need to say that we must be approaching “statue for Sherwood time”
    Reckon he could seal the deal on Sunday ;-)

  114. Big Raddy says:

    kelsey. I agree, Benfica looked a very good side. They are running away with the Portugese league.

  115. White Bear says:

    it looks like we have wasted out time yesterday ;)

    Van Persie ‘wants to sign new deal’
    Robin van Persie is keen to stay at Manchester United beyond the end of his current contract and is fully behind David Moyes.

    ??fully behind Moist??

  116. LB says:

    I reckon Terrible Timmy already knows he has gone. It would not surprise me if his deal is that he only stays if he makes top four; he knows that is not going to happen so he is he is throwing his toys out the pram one minute and sulking the next.

    “Statue for Sherwood time” made me laugh.

  117. White Bear says:

    sorry arnie, just read your comment, snap

    Micky – if it is any consolation to you – my laptop keys work randomly – return, colon, backspace and down arrow stop working when they feel like it. I thought it was dirt/blockage, so I took it all apart and cleaned. Needles to say I don’t know how to put it back together. Now I know that it is some software causing it, immediately after the laptop goes to sleep, but cannot fix it. Bastardly things

  118. Big Raddy says:

    White Bear. Buy a Mac. Stop fighting it – you know you want to

  119. White Bear says:

    no money Raddy, have to buy 2 houses first

  120. Gööner In Exile says:

    Macs aren’t that expensive!!!

    Just upgraded my MacBook sticking in an SSD and RAM and a new battery. That’s £300 spent but the first time I have spent since acquiring the laptop in 2009 and it still pretty much runs like the day I bought it, the SSD and RAM were just for my own personal speed greed :)

  121. Big Raddy says:

    2??? Are you keeping a lover?

  122. van pussy's inner twat says:

    Always works out cheaper if you can ‘acquire’ something rather than buying it.

  123. kelsey says:

    Can I harp back to this injury league table as it is constantly on my mind.
    Naturally there is a difference if by intent or not a player gets a break but when you look at Barcelona and I use them as an example mainly as I see our style of play modelled on them, the physique of most of their players if anything is slightly less than ours or best way the same,yet they don’t get many long term injuries.
    I know Messi has recently been out but considering he was up against players like Kompany and Toure he didn’t exactly have a bad game. The difference is that they don’t play with an out and out striker as they did a few years back with Ibramovich.
    Gifted ball players tend to be short,a low sense of gravity,so are they more prone to injury.
    Some will argue that La liga is not so physical as the PL but CL games certainly are. Any thoughts ?
    I often feel that so many of our attacking players players are good for 70 minutes but tracking back in certain games tires them out,so surely that shouldn’t be the case if we had a bigger quality squad and that is the true meaning of rotation whilst not altering the style or strength of the team.

  124. kelsey says:

    So that brings me back to our traing mehods,something is amiss.

  125. White Bear says:

    no Raddy, no lover, waiting for you – 3 1/2 years left :) it is easier and faster to buy 2 houses than to sell one and buy one

    Kelsey – we are not supposed to talk footy in the morning!

  126. GoonerB says:

    Morning all.

    White Bear, your 7.27 tickled me. “Can’t afford the Mac as I am buying 2 houses”. I thought that was a brilliant comedy moment (if you meant it that way). “Fancy a burger king?”…… No sorry, I just used my last sheckles servicing the Bentley and booking 3 weeks at a private 6 star resort in St. Lucia. Beans on toast for me”.

  127. White Bear says:

    GB – now, now, now, stop taking the piss! I didn’t want to buy 2 houses, but it turned out that to buy a little bungalow I really want, I have to buy my own house to let. Crazy as it seems, but true. Couldn’t get a mortgage for £160k, but it was a piece of cake to get one for £500k+. Nuts!!

  128. GoonerB says:

    I knew there was a simple explanation White Bear, it was just funny the way it came across. I am not of a urine extracting nature (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). So anyway, what are you going to do about the holiday to St. Lucia. I mean if you don’t want it….

  129. arnie says:

    Motning all. Ah, Friday, GN5 is it? :D

  130. Morning all

    Sorry to be a bit late this morning …………

    ………….We have a New Post ……………………

  131. Vinay says:

    Cant resist to comment on this one,

    If he ever comes back, he should be burnt to death, i am sorry i hate him more than anyone who has left us, he dis respected the club, manager and fans who stood by him all throughout, i dont care who leaves or who comes to us, i cant stand anyone who dis respects the club, sick retard he is and he should rot, rot and die

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