Blast from the Past – 1930 FA Cup Final – How The Arsenal Won The Cup

The year is 1930 three years after the pain of losing the 1927 FA Cup Final to Cardiff, Herbert Chapman took Arsenal back to Wembley to make amends, and bring the Club its first major trophy. Ironically the opposition were Huddersfield Town, the club Chapman left to join Arsenal in 1925. He had guided Huddersfield to two league titles in the 1920s and the Yorkshire side bore all the hallmarks of Chapman’s tactical innovations, lining up in a W-M formation with wing-halves and inside-forwards. Arsenal did likewise but, with Chapman now at their helm, they did it better.

The 1930 Cup Final was the first time before a major game that the two teams came out side by side in honour of Arsenal manager Herbert Chapman having managed both clubs. Arsenal came into the game following a 6-6 draw at Leicester City, just five days prior, the highest score draw in English top-flight history, however four goal hero Dave Halliday was omitted from the Cup Final squad.

Tom Wilson led Huddersfield Town onto the pitch while Tom Parker led out Arsenal. The former knew all about winning trophies; the latter Captained a side which had never tasted glory and had survived numerous close shaves en-route to the Final. In the commentary box, that day for only the fifth live radio broadcast was the future Arsenal manager George Allison.

King George V was introduced to the players in front of a crowd of 92,486 at Wembley after recovering from illness. The two clubs were meeting for the first time in a FA Cup Final and they produced a match of high and absorbing quality, observed by the silver Graf Zepplein. The deafening roar from its engines disconcerted both players and spectators. The giant aircraft, at 775 ft. in length, was a symbol of a rising Germany, it dipped its nose in salute to King George V as it passed by.

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Arsenal won their first major trophy with a goal in each half; the first was created and scored by Alex James, the second was a product of a long run by Jack Lambert. Huddersfield Town, on the day, were worthy opponents but it transpired that their day had passed and they have never since won another major trophy. But 1930, and more specifically April 26, was when Arsenal began their transformation from also-rans to the richest and most successful club in the World. When Chapman arrived at Highbury in 1925 he said it would take him five years to build a winning team. He was as good as his word.

It is also interesting to note that the two sides dined together after the match, an innovation from Herbert Chapman that never took hold. Given the enmity between modern protaganists, such bonhomie might be well absent in the modern game.

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The victorious Arsenal team consisted of Charlie Preedy, Tom Parker, Eddie Hapgood, Alf Baker, Bill Seddon, Bob John, Joe Hulme, David Jack, Jack Lambert, Alex James and Cliff Bastin.
In this picture the Arsenal team, looking rather dapper, are posing at Wembley after winning the Cup. Herbert Chapman is on the far left, David Jack (who had joined Arsenal from Bolton Wanderers for a record 10,890 pounds – but that’s another story) has his hands in his light-coloured plus fours; Captain Jack Lambert is holding the FA Cup and Alex James is on the far right, Arsenal’s Bill Seddon, who died in January 1993 at the age of 91, was the last surviving player who appeared in the Final;.

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Now for a real BLAST from the PAST the game report from 1930.

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91 Responses to Blast from the Past – 1930 FA Cup Final – How The Arsenal Won The Cup

  1. Nice one GN5. I like the picture of the trophies ( I`d forgotten what they look like ! ) being pushed around Highbury on a covered pram ( very high tech` ! ) and I can just about make out you and VCC in the background !. hahaha

    I wonder how long the match report was published after the game, because if you look at the ” TO-DAYS FOOTBALL “, Arsenal have a game against Sunderland !.

  2. Rasp says:

    Lovely article GN5 (and thanks to GiE for his assistance). So Chapman said it would take 5 years – and so it did ….. nowadays a manager is lucky to get 5 weeks.

    Chapman may not go down as the greatest manager of all time but he must surely be the one who introduced the most innovation.

  3. Big Raddy says:

    Brilliant stuff GN5.

    I love the team photo. Hard to believe any of the players are young men – they all look over 40! And Alex James, one of my heroes), what a dapper chap.

    Any idea where I can buy Plus 4s, they will make me look even more English ex-pat than I already do? Didit will surely know.

  4. JanMan says:

    It is always so interesting to see old historical data and old newspaper reports on the Arsenal. We have such a great history. We should all be very proud of our great club.

  5. arnie says:

    Aha, another GN5 classic. Thank you very much. This is an immense contribution to this space. :D :D :D Before Christ, and very valuable education for ignorant upstarts like myself. Off to digest and back laters.

    But before that, some remnants from the motning banter.

    Chas: re your question at 7:16. I think the guy got his hands off pocket billiards just in time to deflect the ball. What a pity. :D :D

    Regarding FFP and all other like nonsense, we live to fight on. Arsenal dares to be different. Period. Me thinks there will be a major backlash at some point, and we will be one of the major forces to reconstruct the future. :D :D :D

  6. arnie says:

    OK, bad news, erm rumour, here:

    #afc Wenger admits he feels 'guilty' for not having any transfer news for us. Says any deal 'highly unlikely' now— John Cross (@johncrossmirror) January 23, 2014

  7. 26may1989 says:

    Looks fab, GN5, will digest in a mo, but before that I just wanted to pick up on a conversation from this morning on yesterday’s thread. Hey, what do you care, it’s not even 6am for you…..

    Rasp (being a bit of a glass half empty man – sorry, Rasp!) was expressing his angst about Qatar, PSG, FFP and all that.

    As far as the World Cup going to the Middle East is concerned, I have absolutely no problem with the principle of that football-mad region having a turn, it’s only right they should get it. To me, there are only two issues: how it came to be awarded to Qatar (clearly, it was by way of corruption); and the timing. I don’t see a problem with it being in European winter (as Exile pointed out, the traditional scheduling screws up everyone in South America and other places, given that June-July is their winter) – but the lack of honesty in the bidding process around timing is very annoying. However, that’s all done and dusted now, and truth be told, it’s not especially hard to swap around domestic schedules to allow for the World Cup in November-December, just start the season earlier, take a break and finish it later.

    But the issue of corruption, especially from states like Qatar and Abu Dhabi, as well as the corrupt misuse of assets that were stolen from a state when it was in crisis (yes, you Abramovich), is really worrying. Our beautiful game is being abused by these scumbags, no doubt about it.

    As for FFP, I’ve no idea where it will end up, but we shouldn’t dismiss it before UEFA have got to the stage of enforcement. The fact that PSG and City are higher in football’s rich-list is completely irrelevant. We have to wait till UEFA reach the point where they will be assessing teh behaviour of those clubs, then we’ll know just how serious they are about this. In the meantime, we can see it’s having some effect on behaviour (look at Chelsea).

  8. fatgingergooner says:

    Has anyone else lost interest in the January transfer window? I really don’t care if we sign anyone or not. Maybe it’s just because we are top of the league and going well in the cups.

    I think January should be a loan window only so that clubs can patch up any injuries within their squads. Although I’m sure clubs would manage to turn this to their advantage in some corrupt way.

    Will read the article now.

  9. 26may1989 says:

    Love it, GN5, great stuff. Interesting to see that a guy who scored four goals the week before got dropped. That’s a brave decision for any manager.

  10. fatgingergooner says:

    I’m not sure rescheduling the WC is going to be popular with the bigger sides.

    How will clubs feel who have 10-15 players from their squad going off to play in the WC, when other teams may have no players at all?

  11. kelsey says:

    Pos Team Pld W D L F A W D L F A F A GA GD Pts
    1 Sheffield Wednesday 42 15 4 2 56 20 11 4 6 49 37 105 57 1.842 +48 60
    2 Derby County 42 16 4 1 61 32 5 4 12 29 50 90 82 1.098 +8 50
    3 Manchester City 42 12 5 4 51 33 7 4 10 40 48 91 81 1.123 +10 47
    4 Aston Villa 42 13 1 7 54 33 8 4 9 38 50 92 83 1.108 +9 47
    5 Leeds United 42 15 2 4 52 22 5 4 12 27 41 79 63 1.254 +16 46
    6 Blackburn Rovers 42 15 2 4 65 36 4 5 12 34 57 99 93 1.065 +6 45
    7 West Ham United 42 14 2 5 51 26 5 3 13 35 53 86 79 1.089 +7 43
    8 Leicester City 42 12 5 4 57 42 5 4 12 29 48 86 90 0.956 –4 43
    9 Sunderland 42 13 3 5 50 35 5 4 12 26 45 76 80 0.950 –4 43
    10 Huddersfield Town 42 9 7 5 32 21 8 2 11 31 48 63 69 0.913 –6 43
    11 Birmingham 42 13 3 5 40 21 3 6 12 27 41 67 62 1.081 +5 41
    12 Liverpool 42 11 5 5 33 29 5 4 12 30 50 63 79 0.797 –16 41
    13 Portsmouth 42 10 6 5 43 25 5 4 12 23 37 66 62 1.065 +4 40
    14 Arsenal 42 10 2 9 49 26 4 9 8 29 40 78 66 1.182 +12 39
    15 Bolton Wanderers 42 11 5 5 46 24 4 4 13 28 50 74 74 1.000 ±0 39
    16 Middlesbrough 42 11 3 7 48 31 5 3 13 34 53 82 84 0.976 –2 38
    17 Manchester United 42 11 4 6 39 34 4 4 13 28 54 67 88 0.761 –21 38
    18 Grimsby Town 42 8 6 7 39 39 7 1 13 34 50 73 89 0.820 –16 37
    19 Newcastle United 42 13 4 4 52 32 2 3 16 19 60 71 92 0.772 –21 37
    20 Sheffield United 42 12 2 7 59 39 3 4 14 32 57 91 96 0.948 –5 36
    21 Burnley 42 11 5 5 53 34 3 3 15 26 63 79 97 0.814 –18 36
    22 Everton 42 6 7 8 48 46 6 4 11 32 46 80 92 0.870 –12 35

  12. kelsey says:

    Look who were in the old first division that year and we finished 14th.

    GN5 a lovely bit of nostalgia, even I am too young to remeber those days.

  13. fatgingergooner says:

    If there was a winter World Cup then maybe the manager (whoever that may be!) will be able to plan his transfers around the teams that don’t qualify!?

    This years squad would be

    Szscesny
    Cech
    Ivanovic
    Pisczek
    Alaba
    Kolarov
    Nastasic
    Subotic
    Skrtel
    Agger
    Matic
    Ramsey
    Mkhitaryan
    Hamsik
    Arda Turan
    Eriksen
    Aubameyang
    Blaszczykowski
    Bale
    Ibrahimovic
    Lewandowski

    Not bad! I’m sure the 2022 squad would be decent too.

  14. arnie says:

    FGG: Losing interest in the transfer window? For me, NO. I believe in the current team, and do not think we need transfers. But the transfer window still has its thrills. All the bollix that emanates, from the rumour mill and Arsenal itself. Claiming nothing is going to hapen is part of this bollix as well.

    Arsene goes and watches Levante-Barca, Grimandi watches the PSG game for nothing? Well, something may happen or may not, but there is some enterprise here. That makes me feel assured. :D :D :D

  15. arnie says:

    Great stuff, Kelsey. :D :D :D

  16. arnie says:

    Wenger: ‘Vermaelen won’t leave. I’m ready to extend his contract. We have huge respect for him. I’m open to discussing it at the end of the season.

    ‘We’ve got Ox back and Ramsey and Arteta back. Sanogo is coming back but we have a strong squad. If something exceptional comes up then we will try to do it.’

  17. Rasp says:

    Hi 26m, I agree that the Middle East deserves its turn in hosting the World Cup – but not Qatar as you say. Al Jazeera ( a Qatari company) apart from investing in the EPL, is becoming an increasingly influential in world sport – should we be worried?

  18. arnie says:

    Absolutely lovely stuff, GN5. How can I/we thank you enough? :D :D :D

    A quick request. Can we perhaps obtain a better scan of the newspaper, higher resolution, so we can read better. These valuable records are to be maintained for posterity, I hope, and I also hope many people will read and learn from these records. Absolutely great. :D :D :D

    Arnie wipes a tear from his eye ……….

  19. 26may1989 says:

    Re our away trip to Southampton in the middle of next week, the Saints are accumulating problems: Lovren, Wanyama and Ramirez are already injured, and now the club has just suspended Osvaldo for some incident at the training ground. All of that should help.

  20. RA says:

    Superb stuff GN5 (and I suspect that WATA-Herb will be especially delighted with you).

    Reading a Post about football, especially the managers and the star players from the last century somehow feels little different from reading about Henry VIII and his travails, as it all seems so long ago that it is difficult to imagine what it was all like – then the thought strikes me that I was born in the last century too, and it has a strangely sobering effect. :-)

  21. 26may1989 says:

    Hi Rasp. If the relevant factor were the level of passion for the game, the logical Middle Eastern countries to host a WC would by Egypt or Iran. Not sure that’ll happen any time soon though!

    If Turkey is Middle Eastern (I think of it as European, but I’m likely in a minority of one on that), that would be a great place to have it – booming economy, massive support base, increasingly international outlook on the world etc. I know, they have hooligans there, but that hasn’t stopped others getting big tournaments.

    Another option would be Morocco, which is at least stable, and has a good footballing tradition.

    Qatar is all about the money – locals only make up about 15% of the population, the rest being expats of one sort or another, imported to do everything the locals don’t want to do. The use of Qatari petrodollars in football is just one way they are exercising their reach – they funded much of the Libyan uprising, and are funding and arming many of the opposition, Islamist groups in Syria. Plus they’ve been buying up big chunks of real estate in London, Paris, New York etc. As with Abu Dhabi and City, it’s all about the projection of power. That disgusts me.

  22. arnie says:

    hmm, 26may, I think a lot of countries would tick those boxes. Maybe not quite so much as Qatar, but still. :D :D :D

    I just wanted to say that the other country in the Middle East that has substantial passion for football is Iraq. Unfiortunately, ….. :sad:

  23. arnie says:

    I think this is not about Qatar at all. Qatar is only the symptom. Revisit the Blatter election and you would know. Sad, but true. :sad:

  24. Rasp says:

    Thanks guys. 26may – your knowledge of international affairs always impresses and I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusions. The world and in particular the middle east would be a better place if oil had not been discovered there. So much wealth in the pockets of so few.

  25. Rasp says:

    Apologies to GN5, this discussion stems from a comment placed before his excellent post was published.

    If only we could return football to those times – mind you, even then there was corruption, and some may say Arsenal were the worst culprits :lol:

  26. Vinay says:

    The teams dined together after the game, again something the great man initiated, well we all know we are classy but now we also know where the roots are from. Thank you sir for making the club so much more brilliant.

  27. My mate Fozzie gave me some update on Fergies continuing influence at Manshafter Std !.

    http://moniqlyne.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/moyes.jpg

  28. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Superb GN5, thanks very much.

    Sorry haven’t commented at all today as computer bugs have returned. Get work out of the way, and I’ll get my priorities right and get the bloody machine cleaned up.

  29. RA says:

    GN5,

    I would like to add my apologies for digressing from today’s fine post.

    If either Rasp or Peaches are around they might like to take the following response to the continuous references to FFP and use it elsewhere as I know, in advance, from past experience that a ‘succinct’ comment on that subject is difficult to keep short. :-) But I will try.

    I have in the past commented on the written, and necessarily legalistic, wording of the FFP regulations and in some small way tried to interpret them for those interested in its provisions. Indeed I may have written a post or two on the subject. :-)

    At the time the FFP regulations were first put forward, I believed it was a sincere effort by Platini to protect the ‘weaker’ clubs, many of them in Eastern Europe, and he ‘coincidentally’ earned a lot of political capital out of this by inferring it was a way of reining in the British and their infernal Sky funded Premier League.

    Actually, it is in fact, simply a way of protecting the wealthy clubs throughout Europe by ensuring two things.

    First, by setting down a system of financial rules, by which all clubs have to keep within certain parameters concerning spending and acceptable losses over a given period of time, linked to turnover, it is a self imposed ‘cap’ on the need for more cash injections by the oligarchs, as the world wide exposure of the Premier League ensures that sponsorship is becoming the new financial doping as companies throw money at the ‘top’ and already rich clubs they wish to be associated with.

    Second, FFP means that no new mega-rich oligarch can move in now and splurge huge sums of his own money, as previously, because they would then overtly breach the FFP regulations, and in any event, the existing ‘big’ clubs would protect their interests by refusing to allow any new sugar daddy from trying to copy them.
    It means, in essence that the ‘poorer’ clubs have effectively missed the boat, and will never force themselves into the ‘big club’ elite.

    So what have been Platini’s motives in all this – outside of the obvious one of seeking UEFA and ultimately FIFA election to high office by dispensing political favours in the game of ‘you scratch my back and I will scratch yours’.

    Well it all comes down to the basic struggle of men like Platini, who are seen by many as driven by overweening ambition to acquire the top political and administrative posts and secure influence and status, or as the Chinese/Japanese would have it, the need to gain ‘face’ for personal aggrandisement.

    In this context, I suppose we can define ‘status’ or ‘face’ as winning the longed for measure of other peoples’ highest regard and, let’s face it, the power he and others already have is, in and of itself, a weapon which is held close to impress others or to use as a last resort against perceived enemies.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

    Well as synopses go that was not too long after all – just like Cockie Monsters accoutrement. :-)

  30. RA says:

    Micky,

    As a non techie, can I recommend a non techie solution to something I know nothing about? :-)

    If you are having problems with Internet Explorer (IE) or any other platform for that matter, you might like to follow my recipe for sorting the b*stards out.

    —- Uninstall IE (or chrome) – takes a couple of minutes.

    —- Re-install IE (or chrome) – takes a couple of minutes.

    Job done. Any corrupt files or misbehaving files will be replaced by ‘clean’ files with the installation of the new IE programme.

    I will send my bill later. :-)

  31. 26may1989 says:

    RA – you’re expecting me to chip in on this, so I won’t even apologise!

    You say that “FFP means that no new mega-rich oligarch can move in now and splurge huge sums of his own money, as previously, because they would then overtly breach the FFP regulations, … It means, in essence that the ‘poorer’ clubs have effectively missed the boat, and will never force themselves into the ‘big club’ elite.”

    Yes and no.

    FFP actually only caps certain types of spending. There is no limit on spending on youth development or on capital projects (stadia, training grounds etc). So a genuine investor can build up a smaller/poorer club over time, but he/she/it can’t do the sugar-daddy thing of bankrolling the immediate purchase of galactico players.

    The stated objective of FFP is to ensure football clubs are sustainable, that owners like Peter Risdale (“living the dream” – Leeds are now where?) can no longer sacrifice clubs’ the long term interests for short term enjoyment. I happen to agree with aspects of the more cycnical view, that the big clubs realised it could be used to suppress competition, but the prompt for FFP was the appearance (in particular in England) of a wantonly short-termist breed of owner. The Wild West that is Russia has provided the most dramatic example of how things can shift when owners’ whims shift – Anzhi had Eto’o, Denisov, Willian, Diarra and others, plus Hiddink and Meulensteen as managers, but they were ditched in quick order, when the oligarch pressed the button marked “Bored”. There is also a club in Romania, Unirea Urziceni, that was bankrolled for a few years by an oligarch-type, and they won the league and got into the CL a few times, before the owner decided to just close down the club. And taht was it, no more club. That’s what can happen when there’s no regulation of this stuff.

    A summary of my opinions on FFP:

    Is FFP good? Mostly, yes, because it will promote (and already has promoted) stability. In fact, looking at what was happening in football a few years ago, I’d say it’s essential. That’s not to say it’s perfect, far from it, but it’s a hell of a lot better than nothing.

    Will the penal elements of FFP be enforced? Probably, at least to some extent (other aspects of the same rules have already resulted in clubs being banned from European competition). But my guess is the sugar daddies will succeed in buying some scope for manoeuvre, using the aspects of the rules that require interpretation.

    Did Platini introduce FFP for political reasons? Yes, but so what?

  32. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Lovely piece GN5

    Wish I was around at that time. Arsenal world champions, and could have worn a trilby without been beaten up.

    That was the start of our world domination. How ironic that the Gerry’s flew that enormous condom over Wembley. The crowd must have feared the worst, not knowing in reality the giant condom was just a pretext for 1970′s German porn movies.

    And the players dined together after, now that’s class. These days no one dines, they just eat. Probably for the best, social graces no longer exist. Imagine Steve Archibald passing round the port. He would probably swig from the bottle and then hit you over the head with it.

    There all ghosts now, those great players.

    But there legacy lives on. Because of them we are fortunate to support the greatest football club in the world.

    The Ghosts of the Thirties are Stirring

  33. arnie says:

    Fairplay is emerging surely and certainly as the flavour of the day. First, GN5′s fantastic blast from the past highlighting how the rivals would enjoy dining at the same table, without having a small pizzagate incident on the side.

    Ashley Cole (remember him?): “This slice of pizza came flying over my head and hit Fergie straight in the mush … all mouths gawped to see this pizza slip off this famous, puce face and roll down his nice black suit.”throwing pizza at each other!! :D

    OK, they did not have pizza for dinner during 1930 FA Cup Final, I guess.

    Second, Arsene’s comments about the “unethical” motives behing the Chavs letting Mata depart to ManUre, because they had already played both games against them.

    Third, the continuing debate and discussion regarding the FFP or FUP, whatever.

    And, now this from anti-racism organisation Kick It Out: “Kick It Out has sought clarity from Romelu Lukaku on comments made to Sky Sports about Nicolas Anelka and the FA investigation into the ‘quenelle’ gesture. Romelu has clearly stated that he had no intention to support the gesture made by Anelka. … The campaign continues to work with Romelu as a ‘Next 20′ ambassador and will look to guide him, in partnership with community organisations, on the sensitivity of issues covering all forms of discrimination moving forward.”

  34. Rasp says:

    Following on from GN5′s FA Cup theme, I see Bendtner is a guaranteed starter tomorrow – does that mean that Poldi wont start I wonder?

  35. arnie says:

    Perhaps Poldi will start against Southampton? :razz:

  36. Rasp says:

    Yes, maybe arnie. As we said the other day, if Poldi’s goalscoring capabilities are ever going to be needed, it will be for the next 3 months, otherwise I can see him leaving in the summer.

  37. Rasp says:

    Its true that Bendy is better equipped to play the Giroud role so Poldi and either Giroud or Bendy is an option if we have the 2 DM’s sitting in front of the back 4

  38. arnie says:

    Rasp: I certainly hope so. Personally I think Poldi may be key in getting us the goals in key matches. In any case, I am certainly not in favour of a Poldi-Draxler swap, but I may be in the minority. Not that this swap is likely in any case, because Koln and Schalke are sworn enemies. But stranger things have happened, as we have seen earlier!!!!! :D

  39. arnie says:

    Wenger sells best player: Arsène must be fired Mourinho sells best player: Wise deal Jose It's a funny old game @johncrossmirror— Jan Aage Fjortoft (@JanAageFjortoft) January 23, 2014

  40. arnie says:

    Fcuk: Chavs take Mohamed Salah from right under the nose of Liverpool. Henry, where is John Henry!!!!!! :D :D

  41. chas says:

    Another belter, GN5. Thanks very much.

    arnie,
    Here’s a link to the scan of the newspaper. It’s only slightly better for reading.

    http://afchistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/26041930-arsenal-2-huddersfield-town-0-fa-cup-final-note-league-games-played-same-day-afc-played-monday-night.png

    Right off to look for some video.

  42. Big Raddy says:

    Another bizarre signing. Victor Moses loaned out to L’pool then Chavs sign a direct replacement despite L’pool’s interest.

    This following the Lukaku loan and Ba non-loan, plus Mata to MU.

    Jose really is a mysterious man

  43. 26may1989 says:

    Jose doesn’t rate Mata, he doesn’t rate Moses, he doesn’t rate de Bruyne, he doesn’t rate Liverpool and he doesn’t rate Man U.

    But he does rate Arsenal (“No Ibrahim Ba for you, dear Gunners”).

  44. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Jose only rates himself 26.

    How ever big his ego becomes, unfortunately for him it will always be dwarfed by a certain Roman Abramovitch

    Only two things are certain in life. Totnumb are shit and Jose will be sacked

  45. Rasp says:

    Salah is quick, like all players he looks like a world beater in his youtube compilation.

  46. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Good afternoon all, fine work GN5, there’s nothing like a bit of notalgia. There didn’t appear to be too many people in the crowd not wearing hats, and almost no women at all, with or without a hat.

    On FFP, it’s true that there is some limiting of “sugar daddy” type spending. In effect though an owner can pay for the academy, training ground, medical facilities, travel expenses and even the construction of a new stadium whilst using the entire income from broadcast rights, ticket sales and sponsorship etc. to pay wages and buy players.

    Somebody mentioned ethics in football, there’s no such thing!

  47. Big Raddy says:

    I have just been looking at Chelsea’s loan players.It is quite some list.

    Apart from Lukaku and Moses there are ….

    Cortois GK at A. Madrid
    Romeu SpanishMF bought from Barca
    Marco Marin German Int MF/Winger
    Bertrand England Int FB
    Josh Mcreachan MF Their Wilshire
    Piazan Brazilian supposedly the new “Kaka”
    Atsu Ghana Int forward
    Hazard The brother. Full Belgian Int forward

    Plus more expensive signings than you can shake a stick at.

  48. 26may1989 says:

    I quite like Salah, playing for Basel he’s made Chelsea look like tits twice already.

    Liking your take on it, Terry!

  49. RA says:

    26M, @ 3:02

    Reading your response to my FFP moment, you actually seem to be broadly agreeing with me on the ‘major’ aspects of my musings, using different and more truculent words admittedly.

    You did however bring up, as a separate matter, the question of what expenses are not part of the FFP qualifying calculation, but I think you can see that I was focussing on those things that are of far more concern to the fans, namely the expenditure of vast sums of money on players or to use the vernacular ‘galaticos’.

    Very few bloggers could care less what Citeh, Chelsea and others spend on community projects and youth projects, so I deliberately chose not to mention them, so shoot me, nor did either of us mention the rules governing the qualifying period or the dates of these or the loss values involved, or the penalties for non compliance etc, etc – so shoot me again.

    You say, ‘so what?’ if Platini introduced FFP for political reasons, as if I had raised that as an issue, and you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but you seem to have missed the much more important point I was making.

    If you re-read my comment you will find that I was attempting to explain why someone in a position of power, like Platini, behaves the way he does, because he is not alone in this as many (all) politicians, also behave the way he does, and it is important not to dismiss the factors that drive them on and the power they wield to achieve their ends.

    I thought I made the above clear by saying, in passing, (paraphrasing) ‘other than the ‘obvious’ one of seeking election and using politics to do so’.

    Politics does not interest me, but the men behind political decision making and why they behave the way they do so does, as justice is rarely ever served by their self centred behaviour and innocent people inevitably suffer.

    Is it OK for me to be concerned about that?

    You said you would not apologise for ‘chipping in’ at the start of your comment, and I wondered, at first, what you meant, but from the tone of your response — perhaps, I do.

  50. 26may1989 says:

    Cheers RA – I wasn’t clear, my fault, but I started that comment responding to what you’d said and then ended up making more general points. The observation about politics wasn’t really picking up on your post at all, more others’ comments today and at other times.

    Apols for that, my yankee friend.

  51. chas says:

    Tom Parker pre-match.
    “We of The Arsenal feel that, though we may win, we shall fail unless we make it a match worthwhile” :)

  52. RA says:

    Raddy,

    For one second there I thought that was another list of cars you had driven. :-)

    I am pretty sure there are more – isn’t there a French whizzkid youngster named Kakou out on loan in Spain, for example?

  53. RC78 says:

    Salah to Chelsea as Mata is on his way to Man Utd…

    I find it very irritating that Mourinho will sell Mata to Utd and not to us…He would have been great and perfectly fitted for our style of play.

    Anyways, Wenger wants a past paced and hard working winger and PSG is ready to sell Lavezzi so maybe they had an eye on him and Menez…

  54. RC78 says:

    I really hope we get a winger int his window but I would even welcome a defender or a defensive midfielder

  55. RA says:

    RC78,

    I have the same hope as you, in that with Theo being one step from the knackers yard that we do need an espresso winger (not for coffee making :-) ) but to compensate for the relative lack of pace in the team.

    Arsene however seems to be preparing us for ‘disappointment’ in this window – and perhaps he is right there is no one out there better than the forwards we have.

    Did anyone see if he was winking when he said that? :-)

  56. chas says:

    Not brilliant for goal highlights but………

  57. kelsey says:

    Chelsea’s accounts, the FFRP rules and Qatar’s World Cup bid are all 100% legitimate 50% of the time ;)

  58. RA says:

    26 @ 4:39

    Absolutely no apologies needed, and it is no secret that I enjoy an occasional skirmish with your goodself, so if anything I am somewhat disappointed that your comments were more wide spread shrapnel. :-)

    I am feeling slightly dyspeptic today, unfortunately, and if I am to engage in word play – better you, as you can look after yourself than an innocent non lawyer!! :-)

  59. chas says:

    Ah, semi’s and final with Bob Wilson and John Arlott.

  60. RA says:

    Chas,

    All things are comparative, and what is not brilliant, in the vid world, to you, is a miracle event to dummies like me who do not have a clue. :-)

  61. GunnerN5 says:

    Good afternoon all,

    I appreciate the comments and Chas you should know that you really made my day, those videos were truly classic and reminded me so much of my early years, even though I was not born until 7 years later.

    To see and hear those rattles was amazing, mine was hand painted red and white and had a canon on each side. My rattle was a hand me down from my Grandad, who attended the Cup Final – so my family may have been responsible for a very wee part of the sound on the video. I kept the rattle for many years but eventually my Mum spring cleaned it into the rattle heap – what a shame!

    I recognize that its not easy to keep a discussion going on these types of posts so don’t feel too bad about changing the subject.

    Cheers.

  62. chas says:

    Thanks, RA.
    You’re most welcome, GN5.

  63. arnie says:

    Wow, Chas, aboslutely brilliant. Thank you very much. What a footage for the time, and what a match report as well. :D :D :D

    —————————————————–

    P.J.Moss:

    HOW THE ARSENAL WON THE CUP

    Stronger Finishing Power Decides the Issue

    BRILLIANCE OF JAMES

    Characteristic Goal by Lambert in the Second Half

    “The Arsenal beat Huddersfield by 2 goals to 0 at Wembley on Saturday, and won a great game strictly on their merits.

    “(I)t was not out of turn the Cup came South. It was in 1883 that it first went to the North when Blackburn Olympic beat the Old Etonians at the Oval, and since thenh has only twice come home, once when the Spurs beat Sheffield United in 1901, and again when they defeated the Wolves in 1921.

    “Never was a match contested in a more sporting spirit. And never, even going back to the earliest days of football, was the game played in a cleaner manner. It seemed that, despite the inevitable keenness associated with such a contest, that the player on both sides had determined that nothing should mar Soccer’s greatest contest of the year.

    MAN WHO STOOD OUT

    One man in my mind stood out head and shoulders in the match. It was Alec James, the Arsenal’s inside left. Quick on the ball, elusive in his dribbling, accurate in his passing, he was both forward and half back, even at times being seen in the last line of defence.

    He still managed to keep his place with the attack. The Arsenal’s first goal, scored in the first half, was his in more senses than one.

    Arsenal were awarded a free kick a little way over the halfway line on the left wing. Instead of waiting for a half back to come up to take the kick he took it himself instantly, and before the Huddersfield defence had had time to sort themselves out.

    He passed to Bastin, who beat Goodall and centred back to James, who had run forward after placing the free kick. With a first time shot James beat Turner, and the vital goal – the first one in a final – was scored.

    “We expected to see the Arsenal half-back line overrun by the Huddersfield forwards. They were not. Baker, Seddon and John played a glorious game all through, and next to James I am inclined to rate John the outstanding player on the field.

    In attack and defence he was excellent. He was a sixth forward during the Arsenal Ascendancy period in the first half; he was a third back when Huddersfield were striving desperately for that equalising goal after the interval.

    “Parker and Hapgood played wonderfully for the Arsenal at back, and although unorthodox in his methods, Preedy, who seemed very lucky several times, kept all the shots directed at his charge from going through.

    It was late in the game, after a period of prolonged pressure from Huddersfield, that Preedy made a clearance that left James in possession. He drove the ball down the centre to Lambert.

    Tom Wilson was up with his forwards helping the attack, and Lambert had a clear field, with Goodall chasing him. Turner came out of his goal in an effort to put the Arsenal centre off his shot, but there were no final tie nerves about Lambert, who tapped the ball past Turner and into the net.

    It settled matters, as there were less than ten minutes to go. And so, after long years of striving, the Arsenal won the Cup deservedly, and Mr. Herbert Chapman’s teambuilding, which has caused the Arsenal to carry the nickname of the “Bank of England team,” this season was justified by results.

    The official attendance was given at 92,488, and the receipts at £23,365 13s 6d.

    British Movietone News took the official talking film of the match, which will be exhibited all over the country to-day.”

  64. Big Raddy says:

    I know this is left field but ….. Who is the most expensive winger in the PL? I will give you a clue – he doesn’t get a game and is on the bench not 3 miles from THOF.

    Wenger could resurrect his career with a half-season loan. A player doesn’t go from being one of the best forwards in Serie A to crap in a couple of months.

    Lamella’s problem is that he signed for a shower of faeces and it would be an act of charity to rescue him

    I say we send in some sappers and get him out of there.

  65. Vinay says:

    Saleh to Chelshit, wow whats next??? what are you smoking their john henry, you tosser, go get a life.
    Mou is definitely the worst among the worst. Next up Falcao in the summer, what happened to all the FFP rules??????

  66. amole says:

    Inspired article of Arsenal first major trophy

  67. chas says:
  68. Bayonne Jean says:

    Interesting from AW press conference….when asked if there were new deals for Rosicky, Sagna, Mertesacker, he says “that’s very, very close”. When asked if that’s for all of them, he asks the reporter to repeat the names, he says “not for all of them, but most of them.”

    Any takers on who is the odd man out?

  69. Gooner in Exile says:

    Evening all, lovely post GN5 and whets the appetite for tomorrow’s game.

    I would like a run in the FA Cup this season, and tomorrows opponents should mean we can progress one more round.

    Apparently Coventry Fans will be singing protest songs at two points during the game (35 and 61 minutes) something to do with when Jimmy Hill tookover and how many miles they play away from home at the moment because of the shocking management of the club.

    Red Action are asking Arsenal fans to join in by applauding the Coventry fans at those times.

  70. Gooner in Exile says:

    Bayonne, I’d guess Tomas, feel this could be his swan song. He will turn 34 soon after the the start of next season.

  71. Bayonne Jean says:

    GIE, you’re probably right on Rosicky, though Sagna might be the one; even Per could fit in, since his current contract runs beyond this year, so less of a rush.

    Le Boss also said Rosicky would not be fit for Coventry (the home of Lady Godiva). Was looking forward for TR7 to playing with a mask on, score a brace, with the headline “Peeping Tom’s Revenge”.

  72. arnie says:

    Chas @ 9:28. Fantastic. On the question of Academy, I had an airing of opinions with 26 a few days days back. I am listening. :razz:

  73. RockyLives says:

    Brilliant Post Gn5
    Sorry to arrive so late in the day – been super busy.

    They say the past is another country – and the Post makes that ring true.

    So much progress, but so many values and traditions abandoned along the way.

  74. mickydidit89 says:

    Motning,

    It appears I get one comment then not allowed through the comments door again. Very random. Saw RA’s shut down suggestion, but I’ll lose my bookmarked fav’s.

    Anyway, match day :-)

    Here’s a nastyish thought. The type of striker and winger we may be interested in, will also be of interest to Maureen. I would of thought we can now compete on any level in terms of fee’s, wages, and opportunities/glory. To say nothing of how much more appealing it must be to play for Arsenal :-)

  75. kelsey says:

    Morning all

    This really is a United meltdown and regardless of all the theories as to why Mourinho is selling Mata, it is well known that there was history between them and Mata was never going to feature in Mourinho’s plan from the minute he was appointed. United IMO have more pressing holes to fill mainly in defence.

    Micky I honestly don’t think we are getting anyone in AW seems to be concentrating on the present squad and renegotiating contracts with those nearing the end of their term. Hopefully Sagna gets the deal that suits both parties.

  76. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Hello from somewhere else :-)

  77. Big Raddy says:

    kelsey. Agree. Completing the contract deals with the current squad has to be the priority.

    Would you tie Rosicky more than a year contract? He is likely to want one.

  78. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Hi Kelsey

    Certainly agree Sagna, but can’t comment on possibility of signings.

    Arsene, like the bloke upstairs, moves in wonderous ways to perform his mysteries :-)

  79. LB says:

    Morning Kelsey

    I am curious, what is the “well known history between Maurinho and Mata”, I honestly do not know or understand.

  80. kelsey says:

    Raddy: re Rosicky age is against him the only player I canthink of that had a sort of rolling contract at that age was DB10. TR might accept a one year deal.

    LB it’s a Spanish Portugese thing. Why would Chelsea sell him, he is an exceptional player

  81. LB says:

    I can only see Rosicky accepting a one year deal so long as no other club of a similar stature offers something longer.

    After all why wouldn’t he, I would.

  82. Big Raddy says:

    That is my point. I think it is fair to assume TR will get offered a min.2 yr contract in US/Middle East/Japan etc

    Should we match it?

    Behind this question is the thought – where and how does AW involve his young developing players?

  83. evonne says:

    I am deeply unhappy about Mata – I doubt he will help United a great deal, but he is a lovey player who could have blossemed at THOF.

    The fact that Wenger commented the sale of Mata tells me that he also tried to buy the player and Chelsea refused

    All bastards if you ask me, but never you mind we will still win the league

  84. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Good Morning

    I am very happy at the Mata sale, and that other player who was a bit crap, cant remember his name?

    Chelsea are at a more advanced stage than the likes of City and the French clubs in terms of FFP.

    For me, FFP has ben having an impact for quite a while in terms if transfer trends and shifts in Clubs strategy, but now we are beginning to see hard evidence of its effect.

  85. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Who did that song “Times are a changing”?, cant remember

    Blimey, I cant remember nothing. Ime off.

  86. evonne says:

    don’t forget it is a match day today, Terry :)

  87. arnie says:

    motning all. match day indeed. Raddy’s PM must be on its way. :D :D

    Rosicky, yes, 1 year at a time, match offers from top three in EPL, Bundeliga, La Liga, Serie A. Not anywhere else.

    Transfer, what transfer? Poker game going on. Who blinks first? Wenger or Heldt? I would not be surprised if there is a deadline day arrival of Draxler. He will be one for the future. On that thought. :D :D

  88. Rasp says:

    Morning all …..

    ….. New post ……

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