Home Kit 2013/4

Who would have though Swansea at home would be approached with some trepidation?  Not me and I guess not you either.

Have we cause for concern? Swansea play attacking football and at their own ground can be formidable, as we found out last season (3-2 loss). The bookies make us 4/9 favorites, so they think we will win but Swansea are on a fine run – just one loss in 9 games and they have just beaten WBA, no mean feat.

Cyberspace has been full of irate Gooners wanting “their Arsenal back” over the past week, a protest which will continue today with the BS March. Good luck to them if their protest results in a change of attitude at Board level but I fear the management will turn a deaf ear. Think Leveson Inquiry and David Cameron. There is no profit in change and until there is nothing will happen.

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Lord Leveson sporting next season’s home kit

It should be an exciting game this afternoon; two teams committed to attack. A Swansea side with Michu, Routlege, Hernandez and Dyer to test our defence and Theo etc enjoying the open spaces of the Emirates. Swansea are unlikely to parcio ar y bws (I once had a welsh wife). Thankfully Hernandez is injured – he has been in excellent form. Michu has scored 9 already this season. Dyer at 24 has finally grown up and looks dangerous; with the need for a new winger looming AW may be tempted.

Much is made on these shores of Michael Laudrup, he is football royalty. Alongside Schmeichel he is consider the best Danish footballer ever, and it should be recalled that in 2000 Spanish fans voted him the best foreigner ever to play in Spain which is some compliment . He has made a good start at Swansea, but  a brilliant footballer does not always make a brilliant manager (Bobby’s Charlton & Moore, Maradona, Pele, Gazza! etc). Time will tell but Micky has Laudrup as the next AFC manager and from a purely personal viewpoint I would be very happy with that (every AFC game would be shown here).

My Team:

arse v swans

My hope is that we go allout from the kick-off. If we play well for the first 20 and the final 20 we will win. The away tactic of playing Ramsey gives no assistance to Giroud, we need width to exploit his talents. No Ox in this lineup – perhaps AW will start him in place of Wilshere as JW started at Goodison.

I could bore you with stats and tactics and permutations but there are others who do it so much better.

Our unbeaten run has coincided with the stories of derring-do from English Explorer’s. Coincidence? I think not…… Today’s chap is Joseph Dalton Hooker (1817-1911) Dalton was a botanist and explorer. Charles Darwin’s best friend and Director of Kew Gardens. Places he explored are many – Antarctica, the Himalayas, Australia, India, Tibet, Palestine, Morocco, the Western USA, the list is extensive but then he did live a long time. An exceptional man in an era of brave,  remarkable men and a man who enjoyed the full benefits of extensive facial hair!

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A Lifelong Commitment to Facial Fuzz

This is a tough game and a severe test of our aspirations, a win will set us up for a Merry Xmas.. Come on Arsenal win it for SlimGingerGooner who today will enjoy his first trip to The Home of Football.

COYRRG

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325 Responses to Home Kit 2013/4

  1. GunnerN5 says:

    Morning all,

    Fine pre-match Raddy.

    I believe Sagna is still out so Jenkinson will be right back, that’s if he went anywhere?

    5:30am here in London, Ontario and it’s very cold -6c.

    Let’s hope the Gunners are hot.

  2. I once had a Welsh wife, too.
    She lived 5 minutes down the road.

  3. Make up your mind, GunnerN5… are you in London or Ontario?

  4. GunnerN5 says:

    Big Al.

    Both.

  5. Morning all

    If any of you guys that are abroad and will definitely be watching the game would like to offer some players ratings for tomorrows post that would be fantastic.

    Just let me know after the game if you want to. Thanks :)

  6. kelsey says:

    Well researched post Raddy as per norm.

    I would still like to see Arshavin play.
    I watched an hour highlights of Swansea’s game with WBA and all their goals came from the wide open places they found down the flanks, (left side I think) and then a low hard cross into the box.
    This is an area we have been vunerable to on several occassions this season and hopefully Bould and Wenger will take note.
    Having said that I feel we might just bang in at least 3 goals today providing we start well.

  7. Hi kelsey :)

    I’ve just been told of another stream http://www.thefirstrow.eu/ I haven’t had a chance to load anything up so I don’t know how easy it is to manage. The fifteen year old that told me about it said it’s very simple :roll:

  8. slimgingergooner says:

    Does anyone use the Ronaldo7 streams? I tend to use that when not on TV and works well for me.

    4-1 to the Arsenal today!

  9. GunnerN5 says:

    Slim,

    It must feel great finally getting to see them live, and you have the added bonus of breathing the rarefied air of Norf London.

    Hope you have a fantastic day.

  10. Thanks for the tip top pre match Big Randy – I agree, so far Laudrup does seem to be the right sort of manager for Arsenal in the future, the big question will be will Ivan like him?

    Nursing a post-gig hangover so will be talknig it easy on the journey in to London.

    UTA !

  11. Right, toast eaten, tea gulped – time to hit the road; see you guys later

  12. slimgingergooner says:

    Cheers GN5,

    Is it different from the air thats Wembley way? Been there a couple of times and always struggled to acclimatise!

    Not sure if I’m more nervous about the game or going to the Tavern! I’m a bit shy so hoping the AA gang will go easy on me! :lol:

  13. GunnerN5 says:

    Slim,

    There is always a big crowd at the Tavern it often overflows onto the street on game day, so I hope you find the AAers.

    Don’t be shy just flick your ginger locks at them.

    It’s a few years since I breathed the N5 air – when I was a kid the smogs were so bad that we used to hold a handkerchief over our mouth when we went out and it invariably turned black before we got to the end of our walk.

  14. LB says:

    Slim

    Everyone feels a bit shy the first time they go to the Tavern but they really are a great bunch of guys and guyessess.

    I wont be at the pub but have a good one.

  15. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Kelsey and other tech amateurs like us,
    Don’t touch that link from Peaches, unless you know about blocking things. I don’t and my pc has just gone bad.

  16. slimgingergooner says:

    GN5,

    Sounds like my house when the wife’s cooking! :lol:

    Do you not get to the games then?

  17. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Sorry Raddy,
    Great post as ever. Thank you.
    Up to my arse in sorting out this match thing

  18. GunnerN5 says:

    Slim,

    My house it about 3,800 miles away so I don’t get to see many live games but my house is covered in satellite dishes so I get to see every game.

  19. RockyLives says:

    Superb BR

    COYRRG

  20. slimgingergooner says:

    GN5,

    Is that all! Call yourself a fan! :lol:

    I am now in the infamous Tavern but feeling like a should’ve worn a red rose! :)

  21. GunnerN5 says:

    Hold up an “I’m Slim” card.

  22. GunnerN5 says:

    TEAM NEWS: Wenger makes four changes

    Carl Jenkinson has been called into the Arsenal team to replace the injured Bacary Sagna, as Arsène Wenger makes four changes to his side to face Swansea.

    Laurent Koscielny, who sustained a thigh injury at Everton, has been replaced by Kieran Gibbs, with Thomas Vermaelen moving to centre back.

    Gervinho replaces Aaron Ramsey, while Lukas Podolski comes in in place of Olivier Giroud, who drops to the bench.

    Team in full: Szczesny, Jenkinson, Mertesacker, Vermaelen, Gibbs, Arteta, Wilshere, Cazorla, Walcott, Podolski, Gervinho.

    Subs: Mannone, Squillaci, Coquelin, Ramsey, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Giroud.

  23. jnyc says:

    Three points please

  24. mickydidit89 says:

    Please Arsene play Pod central and Gerv left
    Then its a superb line up

  25. GunnerN5 says:

    We’ve dropped down to 8th without kicking a ball.

  26. Big Raddy says:

    Earlier todaywe had a valued poster make a political point which has been removed from the blog.

    We made a decision at the start of AA not to discuss politics or religion, – our readers and bloggers come from all races, religions and political viewpoints – because this is a football site

    BR was the only moderator around when RL made his comment on Diaby’s stand, and I did nothing about it. In hindsight I should have acted because it was in essence a political viewpoint. One I happened to agree with but nonetheless it was against the anti-political rules. For that I apologise.

    Let’s just talk football, food, wine, women, and fun :-)

  27. Big Raddy says:

    Good attacking team but still no Ox.

    Let’s all laugh at Chelsea – a change is not always for the better :-D

  28. GunnerN5 says:

    Well put BR.

  29. oz gunner says:

    http://www.nutjob.eu/

    here’s a link for those needing it. Same one i posted for the Everton game. Hope it works

  30. oz gunner says:

    I find your comment reeking of facism Big Daddy. What if Glic and I wanted to walked about men? e.g ourselves!!! haha

  31. oz gunner says:

    also i feel Evonne may feel left out, I say if she wants to obsess over Vermaelen she can!!!

  32. Big Raddy says:

    Oz. I am sure there is a suitable site for you do do so …..

  33. Big Raddy says:

    Oz. With glic’s mirror fixation “facism” is very apt

  34. oz gunner says:

    yeah AA

  35. Big Raddy says:

    Gerv through the middle, and once again we are asleep at the start of the game.

    Come on Arsenal

  36. GunnerN5 says:

    Slow start – makes me nervous.

  37. Big Raddy says:

    Swansea playing lovely football. We need to move the ball faster. Is Theo playing?

  38. kgooner says:

    @Sharkey how do i close the big ad at the centre that reads PLAY?

  39. oz gunner says:

    god we pass back way too much. if a team is guarding space how is this beneficial? speed and clever passing works, this crap doesn’t

  40. kgooner says:

    figured it out. Thanks for the link

  41. oz gunner says:

    frick jenks is one hell of a good crosser!

  42. GunnerN5 says:

    25 minutes in and Swansea’s goalkeeper has not got out of his armchair!!!

  43. Big Raddy says:

    25 mins before we create a chance. We are 2nd best so far

  44. Game says:

    Best chance of the game so far fell to Seansea, who incidentally are playing the beautiful type of possession and passing football that we once did. Our passing is second to theirs today.

  45. GunnerN5 says:

    We have no spark, what the hell has happened to Cazorla?

  46. Adrian says:

    It hurts seeing them play the football that WE should be playing and have been for the past few years. Cmon you gunners.

  47. GunnerN5 says:

    This can no longer be considered an aberration – it’s the new norm!

  48. Adrian says:

    The commentator has got it spot on, we simply have no cohesion. Our players are all too static and arent making any runs.

  49. oz gunner says:

    agreed adrian

  50. oz gunner says:

    on both counts

  51. oz gunner says:

    gerv! bloody hell that’s poor!

  52. kelsey says:

    I can’t get rid of the block in the middle of the screen,but I got the commentary

  53. Big Raddy says:

    The Gervinho experiment isn’t working. OG would scored both of gervs missed headers.

    First 25 terrible next 20 a little better but Swansea are playing well – a pleasure to watch.

  54. GunnerN5 says:

    It’s easy to rate the players today – only BFG and Jenks are worthy of rating……………

  55. Sav from Australia says:

    I was listening to the commentators who kept repeating that Arsenal are really poor. But I noticed when I turn the sound off, everything seemed much better.

  56. Big Raddy says:

    Kelsey. There will be a very small x somewhere on the screen. Click on it

    Or try expanding to full screen

  57. GunnerN5 says:

    Nothing is going down our left flank.

  58. VCC says:

    That was a very poor first half from us. We surely must get better in the second half. giroud needs to come on.

  59. VCC says:

    GN5. That’s probably because Gibbs is poor/unfit?

  60. Big Raddy says:

    AW needs to earn his corn at half time. We need some structure. JW keeps running into Santi’s space and then failing to find a man.

    He has to give the ball to Santi in space

  61. GunnerN5 says:

    If ever there was a game for AW to make a statement with early subs – this is the game……….

  62. oz gunner says:

    theo come on! thinks he’s cesc all of a sudden

  63. Adrian says:

    MUCH better second half from Arsenal, now if we can play like this for 90 full minutes that’d be great. Starting to look a bit like the Arsenal.

  64. GunnerN5 says:

    So much better.

  65. oz gunner says:

    wouldn’t mind seeing rosicky come on soon

  66. GunnerN5 says:

    Oz,

    We need Ox, Rosicky and Giroud.

  67. kelsey says:

    why did we sell alliadaire

  68. GunnerN5 says:

    Kelsey, The question should be why didn’t we sell hin earlier.

  69. oz gunner says:

    true G5, pod has done nothing

  70. oz gunner says:

    ridiculously injury prone and poor mans RVP

  71. Adrian says:

    I think I know the reason most of our crosses don’t get any results. It’s because theres always only around 2 players in the box most of the time, compared to teams like Man Utd who flood the box with players whenever a cross comes in.

  72. oz gunner says:

    that and walcott, gerv, and santi are not winning anything in the air

  73. evonne says:

    Sav – better still – turn the picture off, you might think we are winning

  74. Adrian says:

    And we’re playing like shite again.

  75. Adrian says:

    … Horrible week for Arsenal.

  76. Adrian says:

    Damn, we used to score those type of goals. One touch, one two passing.

  77. GunnerN5 says:

    We deserve that……………..

  78. kgooner says:

    il settle for a draw

  79. Adrian says:

    0-2. Just plain bullcrap.

  80. Sheep Hagger says:

    Crap yet again. P/s I live nr swansea.
    But I’m an arsenal fan and have been since 1971.
    We need a change yet another average showing I watched it on p2p !
    Time for a taxi for Mr Wenger 1 win in 6 POOR .
    Bring in PEP.

  81. GunnerN5 says:

    Bould and Wenger stay glued to the bench.

  82. Adrian says:

    Less possession, less shots. At home. Honestly we’re playing so poorly now nevermind even bloody challenging f

  83. Adrian says:

    Getting fourth would be quite an achievement.

  84. Big Raddy says:

    Swansea deserved the win. This Arsenal team is in desperate need of …. .??

    There are no excuses, apart from Sagna that was our first 11.

    Pity SSG, it will be a long trip back to Yorkshire

  85. Sheep Hagger says:

    Fourth no chance.

  86. Big Raddy says:

    Our best players were BFG and our MoM Szczesny which tells the whole story.

    So,so, disappointing

  87. kelsey says:

    No excuses from me, and that was with Szsney having a good game and Santi had his moments. Our defending is absolutely allovr the place.Arteta is not the influence he was last season and generally we again created so little.

    I thought initially it was a blip but now it is getting serious.

    Well played Swansea who also looked hungrier and fitter than our lot.

  88. Sheep Hagger says:

    Can we take a vote .
    Who would like a change in manager?.

  89. GunnerN5 says:

    No point in getting upset – we are simply not good enough……………

  90. VCC says:

    Any one need some rose coloured glasses?

  91. Danny says:

    It’s time Mr.Wenger. Thanks for the memories.Turn the lights off on the way out. You’ll always be fondly remembered.

  92. Shard says:

    Even without the two goals we conceded, that was a terrible performance. I don’t say that often, but we barely played 15 mins out of the 90. We woke up around the 20 min mark for 5 mins then went quiet till half time. Played well at the start of the second half for 10 minutes and then went completely off. Swansea looked more comfortable on the ball, and a lot more creative than we did.

    This is becoming a real worry. Selling Song (assist leader last season) on top of our top goalscorer might have been one step too far even for Arsene Wenger to get the team performing. Nothing is lost yet, as far as 4th is concerned, but I’d rather we go for all out attack even if it means we leave gaps at the back because we’re just not creating enough to score otherwise. 8 more games till we can get in any new signings (and then they’ll need time to gel) It’s up to this lot to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk.

  93. evonne says:

    sheep – new manager will do as Wenger does – follow directives from the Board and collect £142k a week for being taking the blame. It’s the Board that needs changing

    Crisis? What crisis?

  94. GoonerB says:

    I see AW started this game with Gervinho, Walcott and Podolski as a front 3. I didn’t see the game, but can I ask anyone who did, who lined up where in the front 3 i.e who was playing through the middle.

  95. evonne says:

    poor Slim, 7 hour journey

  96. Sheep Hagger says:

    Taxi 4 Wenger please.
    Thanks for your hard work.
    Good shout Danny.

  97. Sheep Hagger says:

    Don’t blame the board they don’t take training and they don’t pick the team!.
    Nothing for 7 seasons .

  98. Wenger – We will come on strong in December … LOL
    Vermaelen – We have quality to beat anybody …. ROFL

  99. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    Thats a good Swansea side and there’s no shame in losing to them…BUT…to lose whilst showing so little desire and passion is simply unacceptable !!

    Something has to change.

    To anyone who slated or didn’t rate Alex Song. I tell you now he’d never let them pass in pretty triangles around him all afternoon..?? He’d have made one cute foul after another to break up their rhythm.

    Too many players simply strolled thru that game….

  100. Adrian says:

    You’re right about Arteta, frankly we still need a proper DM. Arteta’s a great player but it doesn’t seem to me we’re getting the best out of him playing him in the DM position and it is an important position as almost all the transitions from defence to attack have to go through a DM. And as much as I like Arteta I don’t think he’s “burly” enough or intimidating enough for that position.

    It was Gervinho who played through the middle, though during the second half it seems Wenger gave instructions to Pod to play through the middle and Gervinho on the left. For a while it did seem to work though, those first 15 minutes in the second half was the only 15 minutes that we actually looked like The Arsenal.

    I can hear that b***ard RVP laughing at us now..

  101. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    Kefentse….please make a useful point and express yourself properly if you have any valid comment on todays disaster.

  102. Shard says:

    Agreed Sharkey.. That was gutless. Wenger better be prepared to give them a right rollicking. It’s not his style, but this does call for it.

  103. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    Shagger…forget the 7 seasons…we’re talking about here and now.

  104. Am I allowed to be negative and depressed now? Haven’t seen the game but we’re now 10th!

  105. Adrian says:

    You’re right, with the type and quality of players that we have now 5 wins out of 15 is simply horrendous. Surely some of the blame must rest on the manager, is it the way he trains the team, the motivational talks he gives them, the tactics he select, the regime perhaps? If this keeps up till the end of the season, we’ll definitely not even get into the champions league and I think we’ll have quite a dilemma about whether a new manager is needed to revitalize things in the team.

  106. VCC says:

    evonne. 5:04. The board don’t pick the team. The board don’t select formations. The board don’t buy players. Wenger must take some blame along the way, surely?

  107. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Only saw the second half.
    Given that points matter, things really do look grim. We had all our best players available, and still not a goal.

  108. VCC says:

    Adrian 5:11…He was laughing at us weeks ago

  109. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    Podolski kind of hung around the middle…he didn’t really play. Gerv (L)and Walcott(R) were not good either. Gerv worked a bit in both directions..but Theo was awful going forward and gave them the freedom to do as they wish down his side – played like he’d already left

  110. Adrian says:

    I think Wenger’s transfer priority if he was serious about bringing in 2 new players in January would be an out and out goalscorer and a DM.

  111. Sheep Hagger says:

    Agreed but again we won’t win a trophy.
    Same old story .

  112. Shard says:

    Aren’t the ones calling to sack Wenger today, usually also the same ones who say the CL participation doesn’t matter and means nothing? Yet they seem most upset about the chance that we might not get in there this season. (Which would actually be a tragedy because I see this as the last season we have to be conservative, since the new deal has been signed and front-loaded to an extent)

  113. There is a shame to losing to Swansea. We have a 60000 seater stadium and 140000 members. Our resources far outweigh thiers. They are a small team and we were at home. I’m with Rasp now. I’ve had enough. Time for a change.

  114. Danish Gooner says:

    Laudrup just wiped the floor with Wenger and his summer signings and Vermaelen is the next senderos.

  115. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    Its no so much about being 10th GM. If we were 15th but showed some desire to be 14th or 13th, that would be better than whats happened today

  116. Shard says:

    Adrian and VCC,

    Who cares what Van Persie thinks?

  117. JM says:

    0-2 (Michu X2)

    A sorry performance by a dysfunctional home team (which includes the manager and his coaching staff as well).
    Subs (Giroud, AoC, Rosicky) were ineffective.

    AW is a good manager but he is not a good leader. (Either his players are not following and bringing him/his instructions from training ground to the actual matches… or it could be worse … his players are being fed the wrong training methods/tactical & technical instructions and the bad habits are manifesting in actual matches).

    The players we have are mostly individually competent; the team that they formed is becoming rubbish.

    @GoonerB

    AW tried the 3 players (Gervinho-centre/left, Podolski-left/centre & Walcott-right) in a front of a 4-3-3 formation.
    Sadly we do not have the fluency of Barcelona as the front 3 should always be interchanging positions, attacking/pressing the oppositions’ backline, cutting in between fullback & centreback etc (it would be better if we had a player like Messi too)
    So a 4-3-3 with our team’s personnel could not work.

  118. Adrian says:

    I’m just saying, though you’re clearly missing the main point in my post about how bad we played. It’s my way to put a perspective on how terrible we were today.

  119. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    I disagree Danish…completely… on both counts.

    Swansea had desire and played as a team. We didn’t.

    Senderos is holder of the CL record for shutouts.

  120. Adrian says:

    I don’t think many fans scoff at champions league or think that it means nothing, its more about them taking it for granted. Lemme put it this way, which fan doesn’t want us to compete for trophies? But when its pretty obvious that we can’t even do it atm, not even getting into the CL would be an absolute disaster seeing that Wenger puts so much priority into it.

  121. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Forget 4th, and forget trophies, my biggest beef is that we are not even good to watch. Very depressing indeed.

  122. GoonerB says:

    Thanks Sharkey. So in a nut shell we have not looked good recently and seem to be carrying little threat up front in our 4-3-3 system. Today we go again with the 4-3-3 and start with a front 3, 2 of whom consider themselves as central strikers, want to play there, and seem to show clinical finishing skills and have decent powerful shots on them. The other one doesn’t really look a striker, despite a couple of goals this season, and looks far better as an attacking wing-forward running at defenders, but just to prove that everyone else has it wrong the one that doesn’t really look a striker and hasn’t really expressed a desire for this position plays there. Does this look to anyone else like the final days of Claudio Ranieri, aka The Tinkerman, who seemed to want to do the opposite to what the majority were saying seemingly just to prove a point. We all know how that one ended.

  123. kgooner says:

    Am i the only one who thought today we were better than at Villa?

  124. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    Adrian – I’m with VCC. Whats RVP got to do with how poorly we played today..??

    It just comes across as a cheap shot.

  125. GoonerB says:

    Sorry, it was Adrian who told me Gervinho played initially through the middle.

  126. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    We competed against Villa. Today we stood and watched

  127. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Hi Sharkey,
    I’m not sure how you are disagreeing with Danish. As you say Swansea played better in every sense, and that has to be down to Laudrup in large part.

  128. Kevin says:

    Now will all of you over optimistic “believers” realise that this is the WORST Arsenal side for 30 years!!!

    Wenger now has the record of being the Arsenal manager who has gone the longest WITHOUT winning a trophy!!

    No longer can we wonder why the likes of RVP, Nasri, Song, Clichy, Fabregas all left …..RVP was spot on when he identified the fact that we will have no chance of winning a trophy unless Top quality signings are made ….not paying peanuts and bargin prices for average dross who would normally grace the likes of Newcastle Aston Villa etc.,

    My opinion of him now is that like at Monaco he walked into a pretty good side added a couple of players and did well, but then when the going has got tough he it proves he hasnt got what it takes to build a side!!

    Honestly do you really wan Wenger to waste more money on average players, players who will drag us further down the league???

    Arsenals problem is that we are crap from the top down!! We have a majority shareholder billionaire who doesnt invest in the club,
    We have a chailman (Hill-Wood) who was instrumental in getting Kronke in, has made a killing from selling his shares, is a self opinionated bumbling fool who should be removed as soon as possible,
    we have Gazidis who should be known as “we have or will have money to spend next year!!!
    And of course we have the arrogant Mr Wenger who has spouted so much inane rhetoric for years now….. ie…. I have belief in this side, we are good enough to win the league, Next season we will be better, we will be more expreienced!! etc etc the lies go on and on!!!

    Will we see change, not on your life, The Board and Wenger are too comfortable and safe in their positions….only if we miss out on Europe and the profit margin is affected will we see any action.

  129. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    Shard 5.04. Complete agree. I wrote about Song before seeing that just now

  130. slimgingergooner says:

    I could cry im so gutted.

    Wanna thank Peaches, Chas, Rasp, GIE, Irish and anyone else I met for a fantastic introduction to life as a proper Gooner.

    I can honestly say that the atmosphere in the Emirates was a massive shock. For 80 minutes I had to sit and listen to people telling each other how Arsenal were going to lose and then complain every time certain players like Gerv or Arteta touched the ball. When Swansea scored it was then a game of ‘I told you so…’. Utterly shocking and pathetic.

    I can’t say this went on all around the ground, but it was where I was sat.

    As for the players, I have never seen such a lack of movement in an Arsene Wenger team. He prides himself on the one touch, quick football, but it was nowhere to be seen. i believe we have the personnel to be top 4, but something isnt right within the group. Szscesny was the only one who can hold his head up after some good stops. He whacked the ball into the fans after the 2nd goal, but it was unclear as to wether he was upset at his players or the crowd.

    Fair play to Swansea who closed down well and took the chances that were gifted to them. Their fans were outstanding too.

    I can understand the booing and I can understand why some would want a new manager, but the players must take a lot of blame for what went on today. 10th after 15 games is not good enough and someone must be given at least a bollocking. IG coming out and sticking by the manager, or AW sticking by the players just doesn’t cut it any more. Someone has to be the boss.

    On a final note, I was walking behind a fella and his young kid on the way out of the stadium, and the kid was asking why we were so rubbish. The dad just turned round and said we have good days and bad days, and at the moment there’s a lot of bad days, but there’s always tomorrow. The kid accepted this, and if he can, then so can we. Bring on the next game.

  131. Adrian says:

    It WAS Gervinho playing through the middle majority of the first half.

  132. Adrian says:

    Only in the second half did Podolski really cemented that CF spot and Gervinho was on the left.

  133. Sheep Hagger says:

    Kids believe in Father Christmas .
    I don’t believe in Wenger any more and I’m no kid .

  134. VCC says:

    Shard 5:19……Spot on, but I do give a f— what you,Adrian,Myself and every other Gooner thinks.

    You can’t deny BSR has been proved right, Wenger wrong. Simples.

  135. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Slim,
    How the heck do you write that on a mobile?

  136. Shard says:

    Kevin,

    So do you want us to miss out on CL?

    Adrian,
    I know what you are saying. But I dislike that every loss/draw has to turn to disaster (which inevitably is because of the last 7 years) I’m not saying you have that view. It is a generalisation on my part, but I don’t think it’s an unfair one.

    As I said, terrible performance, and we are really in trouble if we want the CL spot. But let’s look at it this way. Wenger prides his record of making the CL. The board sell themselves through that very record. Both Wenger and the board must really want us there and will be doing everything to get us back into those places.

    As I think I’ve said, I think it would be an immeasurable tragedy if we lost out on a CL spot the very moment we’re getting our finances in a much healthier position. The board must spend in January, but till then Wenger and the team have to step up and show us much much more than they did today, and I would also venture, that seeing as Wenger is unlikely to be sacked, even the ones that want that, get behind the team completely, as hard as it may be to do.

  137. kelsey says:

    There is no question in my mind that we are passing sideays and backwards far more than last season, and at a slower pace.the exchange between jenkinson and the keeper backwards and forwards was laughable. Half the time nothing comes naturally as if a player on the ball doesn’t know what to do next and then our play is much slower than in previous seasons.
    theo again showed he is an in and out player and nearly took the paint off the right side flank hardly ever cutting inside.
    A lot of work to do and not sure if it will be instant.

  138. kgooner says:

    @Slimgingergooner Sorry for the experience. Am guessing it was not what you had imagined (from your post earlier today).

    I like that last bit of your comment, about the dad comforting his kid. We ALL could take something out of that especially at this time.

    Booing directed at a club you support is immature, and the crowd booing today at the emirates was disgraceful. Liverpool seem to be coping fine, why do we think we’re so special?

  139. Sheep Hagger says:

    I’m right behind the team I was walking around Swansea this morning with my arsenal scarf on.
    But I’ve had enough of wengers winless seasons!.

  140. Bayonne Jean says:

    Unfortunately, the word that best describes the Arsenal at this moment is one we’d never think could be applied to any Arsenal side in the recent past.

    That word is “stale”. AW well past the sell-by date.

  141. Shard says:

    VCC

    depends what you mean by him being right.

    Was he right to leave us? Yes. because he makes more money, and he’ll have a real chance of winning the League. Though if he’d stayed with us, we might have had a real chance of fighting for the league too.

    About us having no ambition? The very stadium we’re in and why we fight so hard to get in the CL represents that ambition. As a club we’re on a journey that ManU took in 80s and 90s in an era when there was less competition at the top of the game. We all know the score with oligarchs, stadium debt, in some cases referees (I get accused of being a conspiracy theorist sometimes but I honestly feel they’ve been a factor), property market downturn etc. You can say we were too ambitious, but not that we’re not ambitious.

    RVP was not right. He’s a tosser who turned his back on the club that gave him everything. He can effin eff right off.

  142. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    Mickey..Its cos he puts it purely down to signings. As if team cohesion passion and desire played no part. Perhaps he needs to tell me how many of their players, let alone just the new signings, would get in our team.

    Exhibit A. Joe Allen now at Liverpool, looks spectacularly average this season.

    ‘Football is a team game’, and there’s only one Messi. ie he’s just about the only player that even comes close to a rebuttal of that mantra.

  143. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Adrian,
    I mentioned that Pod Gerv role thing before KO. I simply cannot understand the logic of Pod wide left.
    All,
    As I said, I only saw the 2nd half, and the lack of movement was terrible.
    I’m afraid I have not changed my opinion from earlier in the week that Laudrup would make a very good Arsenal Manager.
    Luckily, I’m off out for a few hours.
    Keep it civil. We’re all Gunners.

  144. Sheep Hagger says:

    I’m going to get loads of stick off my mates in Swansea my bb has not stopped having messages all day since 5pm.
    We are getting worse time for a change.

  145. VCC says:

    I’m so glad I never paid £50 to see that.

  146. Sheep Hagger says:

    Don’t take it out on Rvp shard he left for more money.
    If some one doubled my wage son I’d be off to
    It’s called life.

  147. LB says:

    Hi Kelsey

    You are pretty good at this stuff. It looked to me as if Vermaelen had a good game, back to his old self, did it look that way from where you were sitting?

  148. RockyLives says:

    Well, I missed today’s game because I had to spend the morning (here in Canada) doing a test to prove I could speak English (for my Canadian ‘green card’).

    Sounds like I picked a good one to miss.

    I said the other day it wasn’t a crisis.

    Now?

    Not so sure…

  149. slimgingergooner says:

    Micky,

    Believe or not, I only ever write on my mobile!

    Kgooner, I agree. We are no better than Liverpool or anyone else in the league. Could you imagine going to watch Stoke week in week out!?

    I think the problem is the lack of commitment. There seems to be no energy, movement or pace in the team.

    We badly miss Diaby’s legs in midfield. Is it any wonder that Arteta looked good at the beginning of the season when Diaby was doing all his running?

  150. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    ‘Stale’ about covers it

  151. @Slimgingergooner I think it will get worse before it gets better this has nothing to do with other clubs and their infinite wages. I think Wenger has lost the dressing room they are not playing for him.

  152. RockyLives says:

    “I think Wenger has lost the dressing room they are not playing for him.”

    That’s a worrying thought.

  153. LB says:

    Funny thing is, I am so proud that I stayed to the end, I didn’t boo and you know what? I will be at the next game supporting the boys in red and white with more gusto than ever.

    I understand people are not happy, so be it, but I have been here before and this is where the tough get supporting.

    To all those who want their Arsenal back, have you ever stopped to consider who gave it to you in the first place?

  154. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    Following on from my 5.43.

    If the question was asked …who is getting more out of their players Laudrup or Wenger..then its a no brainer. Posibly it was the same answer even before todays evidence.

  155. slimgingergooner says:

    Just to confirm, Gerv started down the middle and then swapped with Pod. Neither worked!

    As for RvP, Nasri, Fab etc if they had all stayed together we would be winning the league right now. They all bottled it and left Wenger to pick up the pieces. They can all fuck right off as far as I’m concerned.

  156. LB says:

    I can see how people might think that Wenger has lost the dressing room but I am convinced that nothing could be further from the truth.

    I bet no one can think of a combination of players that Wenger hasn’t tried. I obviously mean those that have been fit and available.

  157. Sheep Hagger says:

    Swansea were 7-1 to win today .
    Say no more

  158. Shard says:

    LB,

    Good on you.

  159. slimgingergooner says:

    Reading 3-3 Man U after 30 minutes!

    LB, totally agree.

    I actually think it would be a better atmosphere if it was 20,000 who actually supported the team rather than 60.000 with most of them moaning!

  160. Danish Gooner says:

    Chezzer 9.Absolutely kept us in the game with amazing saves.
    Per 7.Solid as ever,had a lot of firefighting to do because Vermaelen went missing several times.
    Vermaelen 3.His promising start to his is Arsenal career is well and truly over,pulled out of position to easily and generally all over the place.
    Carl J 4.Completely out of his debt today,tried hard and that is a positive but simply isnt very good at the moment.
    Gibbs 3.woefull in defending,absolutely atrocious and going forward not much better.
    Arteta 6.Did ok but not one of his best games,lost a lot of midfield battles.
    Santi 8.The one intelligent player in attack,drove us on and tried his hardest but his colleagues are not on the same wavelength.
    Walcott 3.When will Wenger realize that he is not a Winger,keeping playing him in a position he doesnt do well in isnt exactly doing him any good.
    Podolski 2.The games biggest disappointment,looked tired and ragged,welcome to the PL.
    Gervinho 2.Simply not suited to the Pl,to skinny and cant beat his opponent,atrocious decision making.
    Jacky boy 5.Always tries but even he had a stinker and couldnt stamp his autorithy on the game.

  161. kgooner says:

    Funny no-one’s mentioned Rosicky’s return. Aren’t we glad. . or not. I guess he too picked wrong day to make a debut. I am glad his back. Diaby will probably be back soon and we can all go back to being jolly ey? Any takers?

  162. VCC says:

    Shard

    I’m not going to pick a fight with you, because I can see you, like myself, are a red blooded Arsenal fan and wants nothing but the best for your team.

    RvP “staying with us and having a real chance to win the league”. Thats exactly the point……make no mistake, he left for TWO reasons….One = double your money….Two = A chance to win the premiership and medals. Both, surely you cannot deny is well out of Arsenals reach?

    Yes we have shown initiative and been extremely brave to move to a shiny new stadium, but how much longer must we wait for the fruits to ripen on the field of play? after all thats what us as supporters come to see. Performances ON the field of play. Would you call that a performance your proud of today?

    ManUre are well on their way, and far out pacing us on their journey to tomorrow. Are We?

    My final point, yes I agree with you about BSR, he is a “tosser” and I hate him as much as you. But tonight when you put your head on the pillow just before you nod off to sleep, you will think, S— that “tosser” was proved right to leave Arsenal. Thats what sticks in my throat.

  163. Shard says:

    I don’t understand this talk of Laudrup. He’s barely into his job. It’s the honeymoon period. Give him a few more years and let’s see how he does. Especially when clubs with more resources taking away the players he feels are important cogs in his team.

  164. LB says:

    Hi Rocky

    Just so you get a first hand view of the protest today. It consisted of about 100 people on the little roundabout in front of the Armoury, close to where you saw me with my bike if you have forgotten.

    They had a big banner say “Kick Greed Out of Football” and were singing we want our Arsenal back.

    The combination of the banner and the song made me smile; as of course no one was protesting when we had more money than any other club in London.

    By the way, do Green Cards exist in Canada, I thought that was a US thing?

  165. slimgingergooner says:

    I do remember about 4 seasons ago when everyone were complaining that having youth players don’t work and we should sign experienced players. Fast forward 4 years and we have had a 20+ player turnaround in 2 seasons including loads of experienced internstionals and people wish we still had some of the young players that weren’t doing the job (Clichy, Song, Fabregas, RvP etc).

  166. Shard says:

    VCC,

    No reason for a fight at all mate. But that’s just it. I worry about Arsenal. Not about what any outsider thinks. It makes no difference to me. I do not give him a moment’s thought when I watch us.

    How much longer we must wait? I think I already said that I think the new deal with Emirates represents an ending of that period. Don’t think it’ll lead to us suddenly breaking world transfer records or anything, but it’s a big step forward to allow us to compete better and keep our better players. It’s an evolution, and mostly, I think evolution is better than revolution.

  167. Sheep Hagger says:

    Shard u drinking ?

  168. Shard says:

    No. The Arsenal haven’t driven me to drink just yet.

  169. LB says:

    By the way, someone asked about Rosicky: as far as I am concerned he is the great hope, the link up between the midfield and the attack is not happening to put it mildly I could point fingers until I am blue in the face but that to me is where we are failing. So any possible improvement is a glimmer of hope worth clinging to.

    Tomas…………your team needs you now more than ever.

  170. Sheep Hagger says:

    Lol. Could be worse think of me in swansea and to round off my day England beat the all blacks
    Unbeliveable.

  171. Big Raddy says:

    It’s easy to support your team when they are doing well, not so easy on days like today. Well played LB.

    We will improve through hard work and application. This season may well turn out shite – there is no divine right to success.

  172. slimgingergooner says:

    LB,

    I totally agree. Girlud is the perfect platform for TR7 to build his attacks from. He loves the quick 1-2 and it’s exactly what is missing.

    There was zero movement today. At any given moment Walcott was wide right, Gerv wide left and Pod through the middle. None of them made an angled run in between the full back and centre half. It was far too easy to mark and it’s exactly the reason why we have to pass side to side all game.

  173. slimgingergooner says:

    *Giroud

  174. LB says:

    SH

    You are an Arsenal supporter living in Swansea……damn, that’s just plain cruel.

  175. Danish Gooner says:

    Won 8000 danish kroner around 800 english pounds playing on Swansea to win,to good a chance to drop.

  176. Big Raddy says:

    Why don’t we swap things around?

    Play the Capital one team in the PL and the first 11 at Bradford

  177. Big Raddy says:

    We looked much better with OG on the pitch, he will not be benched again

  178. evonne says:

    VCC and Sheep – the Board don’t pick the team, no, but Wenger has to do with what’s available and make the most of it. And he makes the most of low budget team. He is not doing badly, far from it and I don’t think any other manager could do much better.

    I blame the Board for draining the resources for so many years. Yes, the stadium was expensive and had to be paid for, but for the last couple of years we were in profit and did not spend enough, selling too much.

  179. slimgingergooner says:

    If I was Wenger, I would send a group of kids out to Greece with Steve Bould and have the first team training all week. They need a rocket up their arses. Wether you support Wenger, or wether you think it’s the worse team in 30 years, the fact is that it was utterly shite today and not good enough. It’s too nice at Arsenal and its about time these players understood what it is to play in a shirt that was once worn by Dennis Bergkamp, Tony Adams, David Seaman, Thierry Henry or Patrick Vieira.

    Man U were losing 3-2 to Reading and they play like they don’t want to go into the changing room losing because they know SAF will rip them a new one! Even at 4-3 he will be bollocking them, would Wenger take his full back off after 30 minutes? No chance.

  180. Sheep Hagger says:

    Rumour on Internut
    Beckham arsenal new player manager ?.

  181. @ Slimgingergooner

    So sorry your day out at The Emirates didn’t turn out as you hoped. Reading your post @ 5.31 you seem to have taken it on the chin (in a manner of speaking). Like the dad you overheard said –
    “There’s always tomorrow”
    It is sad for gooners to see Arsenal losing almost as many games as they win and I hope we put things right in our next match. We need consistency badly though. I say it is high time for all the team to show some inventiveness. (and that includes the manager)

  182. Sheep Hagger says:

    Lol@gonnermichael

  183. LB says:

    I’m with GM

  184. Gooner In Exile says:

    Me and Rasp stayed to the end, didnt boo, did wait to applaud Swansea off though as they were great today. And fair play to several other hundred Gooners who also waited around to do the same.

    Few questions answered though.

    Podolski up top all second half.,..stationery in the box….big question mark over his desire today.

    Theo…..not worth his current salary let alone a increase.

    Arteta….legs gone think we might have had our one good season, but he may just need a rest.

    The biggest problem for me is the players are not playing for each other the second goal is a case in point, everyone in the ground could see Jenkinson was in trouble for a long time before he lost it and not one player tried to get round to help him, and the only one who bothered to chase back (as vein an attempt as it was)…Jenkinson when he picked himself off floor.

    Too much arm waving at each other too for my liking “its so wine else’s fault not mine” attitude.

    But the biggest problem is shape. When we have the ball we have a back 4, Arteta in the hole and too often today 5 men in a line standing still waiting to be found.

    No one wants the ball.

    For me what would I do?

    Stick a team mainly developed at the club out at Olympiakos.

    ………………Szczesny…………………
    Jenks…..Miquel….BFG……….Gibbs
    ……………..Wilshire…Coquelin……..
    Gnabry……………Eisfield……..Meade
    ……………………Giroud…………………

    Ask them to show what they can do, and if they prove they can do it keep them in the side.

  185. Big Raddy says:

    SSG good idea.

    Be weird if we went on to win the CL and Spurs got 4th :evil:

  186. Sheep Hagger says:

    Eveonne
    He’s not doing Badly.
    Are u sure u watching the arsenal

  187. slimgingergooner says:

    A crumb of comfort for those who need it, we were 10 points behind Spurs last season and finished 3rd.

    We are only 5 behind 3rd right now.

  188. GoonerB says:

    The big problem for me is that I think we have a group of players that are far better than what we are seeing and I am far from convinced that the answers lie in having money to spend from this point. The team seems to have no cohesion at the moment and unfortunately for the very pro Wengers I would say that there is a distinct possibility that there are a few other managers out there that could have this group of players doing better. I know many of you disagree with that and still feel it is all about Arsene having been hamstrung by various circumstances outside his control, and that from this point, now he has money to spend, he will return us to the top.

    I don’t think there has been a better man for the job until more recently, but I am not liking what I am seeing now. When managers are replaced it is generally because they are not getting the best from the players they have, and historically there are many examples of a new manager doing better by altering systems and how they manage the players psychology. Whether you are a pro Wenger or one that has lost faith in him or somewhere in between, the common agreement is that this Arsene Wenger team is not playing well, and hasn’t been, aside from a couple of performances, most of the season. My question would be, exactly what have we tried to change or do differently when it is becoming increasingly apparant that the current system with the current players isn’t working. For me that is what a good manager is about, getting a winning 1st 11. They may have a different way of playing in mind but realise they are a couple of players short of being able to do that, so what, IMO, they should do in the meantime is adapt to get the strongest and best functioning unit they can at that time and then look to change to a preferred system when they have got the extra players they need.

    Some may disagree but I feel we have a squad of players that is already top 4 material and we are lacking the 2-3 players to make us title challengers. That means sitting at 10th now, we are underperforming with the players we have and unfortunately you have to look at how the manager uses and handles these players. The way some are commenting now is that the extra 2-3 players will be to get us back up to being a top 4 team. I would love to be wrong I don’t think it will all be sorted with buying in January and I feel we need to see a big improvement in what we already have to see if Arsene still has what it takes.

  189. slimgingergooner @ 6.27. I totally agree with that post, but to help motivate the team he also has to show intent by not selling our better players.

  190. kelsey says:

    GIE,

    you were there I wasn’t and to be fair had a bad reception in the first half but got the second half o.k We more or less agree if you look at my comments earlier.

    For a good part of the game we were not playing as a team .Nothing was instinctive ,no telepathy between many players and this has happened quite a lot this season.

  191. Sheep Hagger says:

    If we make champions league I will walk around swansea nude with my sheep

  192. Red Arse says:

    Sheep Hagger,

    Your day could have been worse — apart from England trouncing the NZ All Blacks, and Arsenal losing, Wales could have been beaten by the Aussies.

    Oh, wait, they were! :D

  193. evonne says:

    Sheep – not sure at all; they wear the right kit, appear at the Ems, but don’t play like the Arsenal
    Wenger is not doing badly considering the resources available to him.

  194. Red Arse says:

    Sheep Hagger,

    You walking around Swansea in the nude, conveys an awful image, but sheep are bashful and to make them prance around wool-less with you is just plain cruel!! :-)

  195. slimgingergooner says:

    Romeo,

    That’s all well and good, but if the club sell the players then he looks a right mug! He’s said about 10 times that he wants Theo to sign, and made it obvious that he’s not in charge of the negotiations, but he still looks like he’s leaving. What can he do?

  196. Sheep Hagger says:

    Ta red forgot about Wales losing
    Eveonne this team flagging , I can’t take it no more .

  197. slimgingergooner says:

    The mistake Wenger is making at the moment is that he thinks its still a minority that wants a new manager. From what I’ve witnessed on here, Twitter and the Internet over the last few years, it’s starting to become more like a majority. Maybe he needs a kick up the arse!

  198. Sheep Hagger says:

    Quick joke before sheep leaves, don’t react
    Arsene Wenger went to see the new film sky fall.
    Sky sports were outside doing a interview and the interviewer
    Asked did u enjoy the film mr Wenger ?
    Mr Wenger said 4 words
    I didn’t see it
    Bye Sheep xx.

  199. Slim,
    If he truly loves Arsenal he should stand up to Gazidis and offer his resignation that way the fans would know who to blame,but then again 8 million is a lot of money too.

  200. LB says:

    Slim

    I reckon it is safe to say that Wenger is kicking himself up the back side. He knows that the team is not performing and if you look at the variety in the changes he has made to the starting line up I am sure it becomes clear that he is aware of the problems and is trying to find a winning formula.

  201. evonne says:

    Sheep – me too. I have been hurting for several weeks now, to the point that I had to stop myself from thinking/talking/blogging about Arsenal between games. Another sleepless night tonight, not being able to watch MoTD tomorrow morning, not enjoying other games this weekend, you know the crack

  202. slimgingergooner says:

    Wenger has said that today’s result has changed his thinking for Olympiakos and that some players need a rest.

    Would suggest that he’s going to do as we all would like and send the youngsters over to Greece.

  203. LB says:

    Romeo

    That started of as a really good comment, but you weakend it by suggesting that Wenger is still motivated by earning a few more million. If he was that way inclined he could have doubled his salary at Real Madrid or PSG, how much do you think they offered him?

  204. LB says:

    There has never been a situation where Wenger has fielded his A team when qualification had already been secured.
    In other words he was always going to send over the B team.

  205. Slim,
    Also you mention that he wants Theo to stay and sign but why did he not give him his chance through the middle today he deserved it ? these are the reasons that I think he has lost the players.

  206. Red Arse says:

    I did not see the game today, so my comment is the same as I have said on other occasions, and not out of disappointment from watching a reportedly poor performance.

    GoonerB, as usual, is trying to be rational and fair, and that is worthy of him, but I cannot agree that we have not seen the best out of these players.

    I would qualify that by saying they are all decent, even good players, tho I have reservations about one or two of them.

    But that is the point — they are OK, they are reasonably good players at various stages of their careers, and they would not go amiss in any team in the Prem, outside the top 4.

    But they are not, with certain exceptions, top quality players, and therefore they cannot be compared with players such as Viera, Pires, Campbell, Overmars etc, etc, who produced the wonderful football which became synonymous with the name of Arsenal, and against which we are judging the present team.

    It is not their fault they are being found wanting in their attempts to win the Premiership, or to even stand a chance of competing.

    I am not a betting man, and you will soon have ignored or forgotten that I made the following statement — in two years time, very few of this team will still be at Arsenal.

    Evolution Shard? Yes, but there is no limitation on the speed or time table for evolving! :D

  207. LB,
    How long do you think he would last at RM? at most 2 seasons thats why.

  208. Gooner In Exile says:

    I think we all need a little kick in the balls:

    We may have seen the most beautiful football we are ever going to see as an Arsenal fan, we may have seen the best side to ever play for Arsenal.

    We may never see its like again…..that’s where my expectation starts and ends.

    I never went to football expecting a win, today I went expecting to have a beer a laugh with friends and to see a game of football.

    All three expectations met.

    My hopes were not fulfilled though.

  209. slimgingergooner says:

    BR,

    Just noticed the last sentence of your pre-match today! Hopefully next time it will be a better performance and result!

    Romeo,

    Theo didn’t exactly look like he was busting a gut to for the cause today and made very little effort to come in field. In fact he spent most of the game doing nothing out wide.

  210. Gooner In Exile says:

    I wrote a tweet earlier and it’s been getting retweeted by many of Swansea fans, one guy I chatted a bit and said how good Michu was and he was worried they would lose him for silly money to a CL team his reply when I said they could be a CL team if they keep playing like that:

  211. Rasp says:

    Great to see Mr & Mrs SSG today together with the usual suspects: chas, Ant, chary, irish, and especially good to sit next to GiE for the 2nd half although it hasn’t helped my tinnitus :(

    I agree with the general tone. We didn’t play well as a team, we were very poor when not in possession and impotent and lethargic when we did have the ball.

    Congratulations to Swansea they played very good football and deserved to win by at least 2 goals (Sz my MotM)

    A question for you all: how many of the Swansea players would get into Arsenal’s team?

  212. Thats my point Slim he should have got his chance through the middle thats how you motivate Theo, today Theo was not playing for the manger because he didn’t get the chance he wanted.

    All in my opinion of course we don’t want to upset anyone lol.

  213. kelsey says:

    “Winston Churchill won the 2nd World War for us Brits and then lost the General Election immediately afterwards and though of course not football related I see a parallel with AW.I have always respected what the man has done for us, but I feel a new approach is needed to get us back amongst the elite,a team who others fear.He has become predictable with our style of play but without the quality we had when we last won a trophy.There are glaring holes in certain areas of the side and consistency seems something we long for but just doesn’t happen anymore.In the last 2/3 seasons we have bought more average or poor players than good ones and that is reflected in our play. Having a different captain every season is no more than a gesture,not a leader on the pitch. Forget about loyalty and kissing the badge, the fans are not a priority for the club or many of the squad (as proven).We had hoped this transition period of 5 or so years would be fruitful,but the money clubs have dangled the proverbial carrot and our best leave. It has taken the clubs years to finally realise the whole wage structure is wrong and we are paying for it big time. Unfortunately,I don’t see an answer but will continue to support whoever plays,but deep down I am not expecting much change in the immediate future.TH14 back on loan is not the answer on the pitch but might motivate some,but again that is short term.

  214. kelsey says:

    GIE and i know just the person to do that…evonne :)

    RA: Interesting paragraph there about who will still be at the club in 2 years.

  215. slimgingergooner says:

    Today’s result comes down to something that has been wrong with us for about 4 years now, and that is the basic art of defending. I think most of us can accept when we throw everything at a game and fail to break down the opposition due to lack of cohesion, tiredness etc but where we used to get draws out of these games, we are now losing them with alarming regularity. I thought Mertersacker was good today and made some great interceptions, but the other 3 defenders failed to do their primary job. It’s all well and good the FB’s overlapping and Vermaelen sprinting 80 yards into the box to get on a cross, but only once they have learned how to keep a clean f***ing sheet!

    Despite our early season improvement we have made no strides forward in this department and something needs to change.

  216. slimgingergooner says:

    Romeo,

    If that was Theo’s attitude, then he should be shown the door, not the money!

  217. evonne says:

    to do what Kelsey?

  218. Shard says:

    Kelsey,

    The wage structure is wrong (present tense) but wasn’t wrong (past tense) It allowed us to have a squad good enough to consistently finish in the top 4, while presenting the odd challenge for trophies. Without it, you might have had one or two star players, but a much weaker squad in general. And even those star players would still have had more money dangled in front of them.

    We have outgrown the use for that wage structure and it is something of a millstone around our necks. According to Gazidis, it is in the process of being reworked. That takes time. Meanwhile we’ve grown our commercial business to bring about a greater balance in our 3 main sources of income (Commercial, gates, tv money) The club, in the manner of their announcements have basically talked themselves into a position where they have to spend from next summer. I just hope we also spend in January (I think we will), and then it is up to the players and the manager to get us into the CL the following year. It would be very cruel if we missed out right when we could move beyond consolidation.

  219. Kelsey,

    That is my post of the day well said.

  220. Shard says:

    Which brings me to RA. No timetable except what nature dictates.

    Evolve fast enough, or perish.

    Revolve fast enough………..and throw up? :)

  221. kelsey says:

    evonne

    Gooner In Exile says:
    December 1, 2012 at 7:19 pm (Edit)

    I think we all need a little kick in the balls:

  222. Thats how most footballers think mate.

    Theo thinking why is the the forehead getting the nod instead of me? the manager knows how much I want to play in that position.

  223. What would posters here prefer Arsenal to win the FA cup or qualify for the champions league?

  224. Shard says:

    If it came down to between those 2, then qualifying for the CL. Hands down.

  225. evonne says:

    yes Kelsey, I could do that :)
    Ok, good night, no more football for me till Tuesday.

  226. tomstoned says:

    SharkeySure…
    Thank You mate.my Dad was Norwegian..:)

    c’mon u lot !!…we lost against a better team on the day,and man up..now is the time to show what we are made of…we are true Gooners..we dont cry or give up..We march on !!!

    and its not all bad..i think that everyone at the club needs a wake up call….and personalyy i think that these hard times are needed,to do just that…we have slowly but surely gone backwards,…and i have been around long enough to know that for anything to change this horror period is needed,but im sure come january we will start to turn it around…why ?..because the board,Owner and Wenger knows things have to change..
    im confident that it will,so im not worried im actually quite relieved,…why..because now everyone has to stick together and not hide behind money or anything else…the football will again be the main thing at Our Beloved Arsenal…not money making !!

    c’mon you Gunner’s

    soon boarding a plane to Svalbard…see aint i the lucky one..’cmon Gunners have a pint and be strong..better times ahead..!

  227. Oh dear, oh dear, I’m afraid I’ve run out of ways to say how unhappy I am about how my team played today ( yet again )

    Lots of you have made some really good comments and it’s obvious that we’re still pretty split on whether the manager, the board or the players need to be taken to task.

    The manager has chosen this group of players and at the moment they aren’t playing as a team. Can he make them play as a team? He’s failing at the moment IMHO or are they failing him?

    If they are a team in training then why are they so poor when they cross the line? If they are poor in training then he should be doing something about it …………

  228. Thank you Danishgooner for your player ratings

  229. Red Arse says:

    Shard,

    You are a man of many different foibles – a revolution eh?
    I had no idea you were familiar with the woodpecker song.

    ‘I placed my finger in a woodpecker’s hole,
    And the woodpecker said, “God bless my soul,
    Turn it around, turn it around, turn it around, my friend,
    REVOLVE IT.”

    So, I revolved my finger in a woodpecker’s hole,
    And the woodpecker said, “God bless my soul,
    Turn it back, turn it back, turn it back, mt friend,
    REVERSE IT.’

    Revolution? Nah!! :D

  230. VCC says:

    Peaches….when I watch the Arsenal now I get the impression some of the players are not playing for the manager. There is something fundamentally wrong with our displays. Most of our players are quality and far better than they looked today. The problem is a mystery. We look so ordinary and one paced, and disinterested.

    ??????? Not sure what to think of it all, but there’s something awry.

  231. Romeo – there’s no doubt in my mind that qualification for the Champions Lge is a huge bonus for us. No only for the money but also for the power it gives the club to attract players who want to play in that competition.

    I’d love us to win a cup, any cup now. It doesn’t matter if we don’t expect to win the Champions Lge – you have to be in it to win it and that my friends is what we should be striving for.

  232. Hi VCC – I agree with you but this has been a slow agonising decline and the decline has to be halted. This isn’t in any way shape or form like watching Arsenal – exciting fast paced Arsenal or boring one nil to the Arsenal Arsenal :(

  233. If I had a choice i would prefer the FA as we will unfortunately never win the CL with Wenger is in charge.

  234. kelsey says:

    None of this is a surprise to me as I have remained constant in my opinion all season.
    I actually find it sad. We don’t have a devine right to win anything but a bit more effort and motivation wouldn’t go amiss.
    I wonder how much influence Bould has had as now I see problems not only with the defence but the midfield as well and a pretty non existant attack.

  235. Kelsey,
    Bould was expressing himself with the defence at the beginning of the campaign but Wenger put a selfish stop to it.

  236. kelsey – you and I have spoken for years about things not being right at the club. What’s Arsene going to think when he watches the game again this evening?

  237. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    All that is happening is that the club is coming to an end of a cycle and a new one is round the corner.

    At one stage today we had five English players on the pitch that i believe most will be the bedrock for the next decade. They are all young and inexperienced but will all go on to be great players

    Some of our recent buys are decent players but i doubt they will be part of our next title team They are in essence a stop gap to what lies ahead.

    This is the most difficult period. Nuturing our young players through with buys that are not of the standard required to win things is always going to be tough. We are getting closer to a more equitable playing field and when the time is right we will have a strong and committed spine allied with an ability to procure some top class players that will ultimately make the difference.

    Dont lose faith just because times are hard. Trust in our fledgling talents and the Clubs future ability to compete financialy. Ten years of hard work has propelled the Club to a point were a great team is round the corner. what matters is how the Club can get to the top and stay there. Yes stay there not win the odd thing, but have the ability to replicate the Thirties and create a new dynasty.

    I dont care how many Swansea type games we have this season. The bigger picture is infinantly more important and i know it promises to be a great one.

  238. chas says:

    Bang goes the unbeaten run.
    Great to see sgg, the gorgeous Mrs sgg, Irish, GIE, chary plus Momma and Poppa Arsenal Arsenal in the tavern. Highlight of the day again.
    Rocky’s comin to West Brom next week, I’ve got tickets for Bradford and Wigan away plus there are two belting fixtures over the Xmas period. What’s not to like?

    One of the lads who sits behind us went on the “walk” and said there were 3,000 there.
    Chary esimated 5 or 6 hundred.
    LB said there were 100 on Bear island. :)

  239. TMHT
    All with the help of Kroncke cheering us on from the boardroom?
    This will only happen if Usmanov buys the franchise owner out.

  240. VCC says:

    Kelsey……there’s something not good a foot.

    As I’m sure you know already,as I do, Wenger’s word rules. Bould has little, if any say in anything tactical/selections.

    Put yourself in an invironment that is not harmonious, and you will have problems.

    Why do we keep hearing sour words from ex players????? It’s a mystery.

  241. VCC says:

    Chas

    …the BBC went with chary’s 5-600

  242. VCC says:

    Terry 9:24….can you send me some of your happy pills please.

  243. Unbeaten run!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh damn, I forgot about the unbeaten run :)

    My mum always says ‘ more torture? You’re going for more torture?’
    and yes, I couldn’t possibly not go, we may not be at rock bottom yet I fear, but come Tuesday night I’ll have everything crossed that we get a win in Greece :) :P :D :lol:

  244. Gooner In Exile says:

    I say being back Pat Rice.

    Actually just play the players Bob Wilsons half time interview. Said a lot.

    Today proves its not about money it’s about bring motivated and being a team.

    Michu looks a steal at £2m, but what would we have thought if we’d signed him?

  245. slimgingergooner says:

    I’m not so sure about this ‘Bould made our defence better but Wenger stopped it because we weren’t attacking well’.

    We weren’t that solid at the beginning of the season. Looking back now we actually played against teams with pretty dreadful attacks in Sunderland, Stoke and Liverpool. Add to that the fact that anything better than 8-2 and 4-3 losses would’ve been an improvement from last year makes me think that a lot of Bould’s amazing influence was actually just a bit of coincidence.

  246. GiE – is that what Arsene is going to think d’you think? That it’s about motivation and being a team?

  247. slimgingergooner says:

    Well, the 2nd best day of my life turned into a little bit of a nightmare, but I will definately be back for more later in the season!

    Me and the Mrs Slime had a BRILLIANT time at the Tavern and you all made us feel really welcome, so thanks.

    Next time I will be travelling home with a win in my pocket!

    A real fan cheers their team through bad times aswell as good. Have a great night folks.

  248. Gooner In Exile says:

    Nice to put another face to a name with SGG pleasure to do the walk with you, and of course see the regular faces. Always more fun in the Tavern.

  249. chas says:

    I forgot to mention Rasp’s lads who are a credit to their old man.

  250. Slim,
    its a fact that Wenger didn’t want any praise given to Bould for working with the defence. another way to demotivate your staff.

  251. Evening all, finally back after a long drawn out journey home after an equally drawn out dinner at the eatery of choice off Blackstock Road.

    As for numbers on the march, I stick with my 5-600; I have a picture of the march/walk when it goes past the old East Stand taken from the steps if the doors to the Marble Hall.

    I have to muster up the enthusiasm to write up the second 2 nil home loss on the spin(the previous being the Schalke loss – dam, I think I may be the jinx !)

    If you’re around VCC, I have a vague memory of saying I also lived in Grays back in the day, whitehall Road to be precise. I fancied a girl from my class who lived in Tennyson Avenue – I think she went to live in Nevada – she couldn’t wait to put 1,000’s of miles between me and her ha ha.

  252. LadyArse ‏@LadyArse
    On reflection, I’ve realised Arsenal are doing us all a favour by ensuring we never have to endure MOTD. Considerate really.

  253. Ok, so, GiE and Rocky and I have weighed in with posts the day after recent poor results does anyone else want to have a go????

    You can choose to find some positives or go hell for leather with the negatives …………. just a few words will do :lol:

  254. Gooner In Exile says:

    Peaches I think Arsene thinks deeper than that but for me it’s just the minimum I expect. They are earning a exorbitant amount of money and they should at least look as if they are trying to help each other on the pitch.

  255. VCC says:

    Chary 10:16 …Whitehall Road is a stones throw from my front door.

  256. Oh right VCC, I haven’t been back there in 30 years, was just a snotty nosed kid back then, but had good times then.

    The people were great, so much more friendly than the snooty types in Kent where I moved to after.

  257. VCC says:

    Nice to hear that chary……people outside Essex knock it, but I’m pleased with my location. 45 minutes train to the heart of London. 10 mins drive to Dartford tunnel. 45 mins from Stansted Airport. 60 mins from Gatwick Airport.

    Most important 105 minutes from Arsenal station.

    And far enough from Manchester, the pits.

  258. Gooner In Exile says:

    “Romeo Charles says:
    December 1, 2012 at 10:14 pm (Edit)
    Slim,
    its a fact that Wenger didn’t want any praise given to Bould for working with the defence. another way to demotivate your staff.”

    I’m sorry Romeo that’s just bollocks, how is it a fact?

    Why would Wenger be against better defensive performances when he spoke of it so much as a problem last season.

    For me there is a simple problem at the club….. far too many changes of personnel and a shift away from young hungry footballers to older “stars”.

    Swansea were without 5 first teamers today but you wouldn’t know it because the way they play is understood by all. Adding someone like Michu just allows him to be dropped in to an already functioning side.

    We don’t appear to know how we are playing, we used to have a clear game plan, Wenger would stick youngsters in and they would look good instantly because we played the game a certain way.

    The worst thing about today’s performance was that we didn’t seem to know how to get the ball back.

    The main difference between Swansea with ball and defences set and us was that they waited for a player to break ranks before they moved the ball, which then created space there were plenty of times when we had the opportunity to travel with the ball and commit defenders but instead an early pass to a stationary receiver was played.

    And the bigger problem is the players themselves if a no mark ex non league player like me can see the dangers on the pitch why the hell can’t they see them.

  259. Gooner In Exile says:

    Peaches a few words:

    Swansea were very good Arsenal were very poor.

    Solution?

    Discuss

  260. Yes, that’s good …………………

  261. slimgingergooner says:

    GiE,

    I agree. Our inability/unwillingness to commit defenders is piss poor. If we are unable to beat defenders with skill then it becomes paramount that we do it with movement, and at the moment we are doing neither.

  262. slimgingergooner says:

    How do you get over today’s defeat?

    Repeatedly watch the Bergkamp v Newcastle goal that is saved on your Sky + box!

  263. JM says:

    We must abandon the 4-3-3 and make do with the 4-2-3-1(double defensive pivot with rotating attacking midfielders) and 3-5-2(3x CBs with wingbacks/wide midfielders, 2x box-to-box + 1 deep lying playmaker and esp. 2 forwards-pairing upfront).

    Only Barcelona and to a lesser extent Real Madrid can make the 4-3-3 work consistently (one reason because of them having the No.1 and No.2 player in the world currently: Messi & C.Ronaldo)

    e.g. For the match against Swansea, the line-up could have been a 4-2-3-1 setup with specific instructions to the players on the pitch.

    GK: Szczesny
    (4)
    Jenkinson(RB)
    Mertesacker(CB1)
    Vermaelen(CB2)
    Gibbs(LB)
    (2)
    Arteta(Defensive pivot-centre midfielder No.1) – act as screen to backline and outlet for passes while playing as the more offensive of the pairing.
    Coquelin(Defensive pivot-centre midfielder No.2) – act as screen to backline and outlet for passes while playing as the more defensive of the pairing.
    (3)
    Cazorla(Attacking midfielder-Right flank) – cross from right, cut-in with dribbles and strike with left foot/link-up play.
    Wilshere(Attacking midfielder-Centre) – playmaker, link-up play with right & left attacking midfielders, lay-offs for centre forward.
    Walcott(Attacking midfielder-Left flank) – wide forward, cut-in with pace and strike with right foot/link-up play.
    {These 3 attacking midfielders should interchange positions between themselves to create chances, act as decoy, link-up midfield and attack while also attack the opponent’s goal}
    (1)
    Giroud(centre forward) – challenge opponent’s CBs, attack opponent’s goal, link-up with the 3 attacking midfielders.

    Subs in: Rosicky (for Cazorla – attacking midfielder -right), Ramsey (for the attacking midfielder-centre role) and Gervinho (for Walcott – attacking midfielder-left) because those 3 interchanging-attacking midfielders would have the most energies depleted during the match.

    Podolski plays better in a 2-forward/striker formation (e.g. 3-5-2, 4-4-2 etc)

  264. Gooner In Exile says:

    JM, I’m not in total disagreement with your line up but there is a bit of square peg in round holes with Cazorla being forced wide.

    Several times in the first half with the ball at centre backs feet I looked up to see a high Swansea line and Theo one on one with the left back. This is where you would normally see a player of Theo’s pace point to the space and start running. The statuesque nature of some of our players up front today was something I have seldom seen throughout Wenger’s reign.

    Oh and finally what most impressed me with Swansea today the unselfish runs of their midfielders and attackers, runs they made willingly despite not being likely to be played in, it’s that movement that creates space for others.

    In short the teamwork that we displayed at Anfield has disappeared, and the question that has to be asked is why? Same manager, pretty much same players, but for some reason the workrate has dropped…. fatigue I certainly hope not they are paid a lot of money to be match fit…..so it’s mental, confidence or desire. My fear is its the latter the only Arsenal voices in the dressing room are too young to be listened to.

  265. JM says:

    @GIE,

    Not if we are playing in a 4-2-3-1 where we would have 3 attacking midfielders interchanging on the pitch. Cazorla is our best dribbler, he crosses well and he can shot accurately with both feet, he will test either of the opponent’s fullbacks. In other words, Cazorla will not be forced-wide most of the time as the 3x AMs are dynamic positions.
    Meanwhile having No.10 Wilshere in the playmaker role would fit as well in the link-up b/w midfield and attack. (Think of it as our equivalent to Bayern Munich’s 4-2-3-1 with Cazorla=Ribery, Wilshere=Kroos, Walcott=Muller)

    We could not play 4-3-3 because that would need the effectiveness and efficiencies of having 3x interchanging forwards and esp. one of them in the calibre and flair of Messi/C.Ronaldo etc. in winning the game by himself when the chips are down.

  266. oz gunner says:

    Great comments on here tonight! GiE hits the nail on the head, send a message to the first team and give the youngsters a go. With performances like that you’re spot is not secure.

    Great to see Rosicky back too, he brings speed and movement, something we are severely lacking at the moment!

    Cheers LB, Slim (you poor sod, shame they couldn’t pull out a win for you), and Terry. Without your comments the mindset would be very gloomy!

  267. RockyLives says:

    Ooh – I’ve just seen that my comment about Diaby’s stand on the Euro Under 21s being held in Israel has been removed.

    Can’t say I’m bothered, but for future clarity, does the “no politics” rule also include occasions when politics is brought very emphatically into football?

    I guess that means no chats about the real reasons behind awarding the WC to Qatar; the way FIFA is run; government involvement in crowd safety regulations; European employment law as it affects player employment rights and transfers etc etc etc.

    Seems a bit odd (it’s not as if my comment was not clearly football related) but I respect the will of the Blog.

  268. RockyLives says:

    Actually, having just read a binned response to my comment which completely ignored the football issue and launched into a political tirade I can see the sense in restricting discussion about this particular topic.

    Fair play BR.

  269. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Hi Rocky,
    That’ll have been my comment methinks. Not many subjects light my fuse, but there we go.
    I agree with BR’s binning, and I’m sorry, as you may have got away with it without my unsubtle and political addition!

  270. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Right then,
    Where’s the cash and who’s to be the new Manager?

  271. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Damn, I’m not doing well, that last comment should have ended like this…. :-)

  272. kelsey says:

    Morning Micky.
    Well not much more to add after all the comments after the game if one was to be polite :)

    About 6/8 weeks ago I said something is wrong but I can’t put my finger on it and I still feel the same.
    maybe the blend of players don’t work well together but we certainly have lost that sparkle we had and our game is far slower than it was.
    I will not go through each individual player but to me the stand out player except for the occasional game is Carzola yet he is trying to do two jobs at onece.He is starting many an attack, his movement is superb and so often he has no other option but to go it alone and have a shot himself.

    We are now points wise exactly as far from the top as the bottom club and still many games before the year ends.

    What infuriates me is that United are leaking more goals than ever but have the ability to come from behind and win games with subtle substitions.
    We don’t have that luxury but if we had we really might have had a chance to at least challenge for the title.
    There will always be a fickle section of fans attending when things are not going well,all clubs have them but my gut feeling is that AW is a downbeat broken man and by his interview last night he is accepting that we aren’t good enough instead of trying to hide the truth and be upbeat.

    All the paying fans can do is to double the encouragement,create an atmosphere at the Emirates and hope that registers with the players. Wishful thinking perhaps.

  273. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Morning Kelsey,
    I think that is very wishful thinking about the atmosphere.
    I wonder if the Board are reviewing their Risk Strategy. What I mean is that as far as I know, we have enough cash together with increased revenue from new deals to weather a storm of not being in the CL for a few years.
    The flip side of the Risk Equation is do they feel its worth gambling in the transfer window in the hope that a stronger first team will ensure qualification.
    I don’t think they will, but who knows, they are exceptional business people and did not achieve what they have without calculated risks.

  274. kelsey says:

    Another point which maybe discussed is if we finish top 4 or not would the same amount of money be available to strengthen the team .
    There is a good arguement that many of the players bought in the last few seasons are just good players on their day but not top quality, and by that I mean that they don’t have to cost 20/25 million +. others have been a disaster more so than at anytime since we last won a trophy.

  275. kelsey says:

    Not sure by being able to weather the storm for a few years Micky.Our current overheads are huge.

  276. LB says:

    I think it is quite amazing (in a good way) that no one has ripped into any one particular player. I am sure we will dicuss them all in the near future but I think that fact reflects very well on this blog.

  277. Shard says:

    Morning all,
    The outlook doesn’t look any better today, does it?

    Micky,
    I think the board have to get into the CL. In any case, Wenger won’t stand for not trying to get in. The board too have ‘sold’ us that line, and indeed, their sponsors the line, about consistently getting into the CL. I think they’ll be willing to gamble more on the transfer market in January. From next year, they’ve basically talked themselves into having to spend. No amount of smooth talking will smoothen the fans’ ruffled feathers if the money from the Emirates deal isn’t spent. But considering that we’ll be getting extra tv money from next year, as well as the Emirates funds, we should be aggressively looking to the market in January.

  278. LB says:

    Morning Micky/Kelsey

    I think the risk you talk about is the hot topic of the week.

    In my mind the board are staunch supporters of Wenger and the time has arrived to show that support. How will they react? They know if they change managers the new arrival will demand funds, so knowing that are they going to support Wenger now?

  279. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I agree with you.
    My biggest concern is that on this site I believe there is a fairly distorted view, in a very nice way.
    Almost to a Man, and Woman, we will all continue to attend games whenever possible, irrespective of performance. Both GiE and Chas have made this point very well, in respective of meeting up with Mates and watching our beloved team and so on. On the whole, we have also lived through a wonderful period, as well as attending throughout darker days.
    However, the 60,000 Emirates Project relies heavily on Corporate as well as attracting/keeping the new breed of more fickle fans, and to that end, I see real problems looming from the point of view of the business model.
    I may well be wrong, but it is my belief that CL football is very important to sustain what is, somewhat tragically, a business.

  280. Gooner In Exile says:

    Morning all, the overheads are where they are now, and covered by CL revenue player sales and poor commercial income.

    The new Sky/BT deal will make up for the majority of lost CL revenue, the new kit deals will put more in the pot, and the likelihood is we could reduce our squad size with contract expiries.

    So then we have the question of how we change things.

    I for one would like the calls for big money signings to stop. Because I think the Board and Manager are trying to pacify us with signings. There are several young players who have left who I could give more support than what I saw from the players yesterday.

    Can anyone confirm that Podolski went down the tunnel when subbed yesterday I didn’t see him take his place on the bench.

    Rasp and I discussed Pod at half time yesterday, Rasp asserting that he had the right to be unhappy because he must think he is better than Gervinho up top. I on the other hand believe that the money these boys earn means they should do whatever they’re asked to do.

  281. LB says:

    Gervinho was far more effective on the left and shouldn’t have been subbed for the sadly ineffective Ox.

    Damn, I got that one wrong, all pre-season I was banging on about how he is far more advanced that Walcott to which many people, above all Rocky, were telling me that it is still early days………well it is, very early.

  282. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Hi GiE,
    There is no real need to change much if CL Football is not financially that important.
    My view is that if the current situation continues, gates and match day revenues will drop drastically.

  283. Red Arse says:

    Morning All, :-)

    I have now had a chance to watch the game, and I am sorry that Slim saw that as his first ever live Emirates performance.

    Football, as is life in general, is cyclical, as Dandan and GN5 can bear testament from the years they have supported the club.

    For myself, I accept that nothing stays the same, but I am despondent after watching that game, in particular, but not just that game but many of the others this season which also have been poor.

    Time to keep our nerve, as fans, but Arsene needs to address the weaknesses in the team that are becoming so evident.

    Please — for those so inclined to accuse me — that is not doomerish – it’s being realistic.

  284. MickyDidIt89 says:

    RA,
    I agree with you, and much of my thinking is based on the tedious business side. I feel the days of being able to wallow around midtable in a 35,000 debt free Highbury are well and truely behind us.
    On the player/manager issue, Arsene has proved that he can work wonders with very talented players.

  285. Gooner In Exile says:

    LB I think the problem for Ox is that slotting in to steam that doesn’t seem to know how to play together is not fair on the young man.

    Secondly he may not be more advanced than Theo but on yesterday’s performance he isn’t far behind either.

    Whenever I see Theo play live the chickens come home to roost, it is only when seeing the whole pitch and positions of defenders that you can see whether a player is making the right runs and decisions. From my view point yesterday he didn’t, not once. And that is why he is not good enough for us. It’s more stark when you see Dyer playing as he did for the Swans, comfortable on the ball, able to take people on, run into space….basically threaten constantly.

    Just watched MotD highlights and watching Michu’s movement for his first is a joy, drops off centre backs to find space, which leaves TV5 rushing to close (if TV5 holds his ground the 1-2 is more difficult) then gives it and leaves Moore with no other option than to put it back in his path with a run into space.

    I really can’t give Swansea enough credit.

  286. Gooner In Exile says:

    Micky we shouldn’t forget CL qualification is not a trophy, so lets get 40 points on the board then we can relax.

  287. MickyDidIt89 says:

    “lets get 40 points on the board then we can relax”
    ROLF LAMOW

  288. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GiE,
    So let’s give Theo his 90k a week, sign him up, then flog him for £15m :-)

  289. chas says:

    I know it’s a moot point but I think it was Vermaelen (inadvertently, of course) who played the ball to Luke Moore in the build up to Swansea’s first.

  290. Red Arse says:

    Arsene has a few stock phrases that he trots out at predictable times.

    I won’t type them as they are likely to irritate Rasper (as they do me), but one phrase that I find really grates with me is the “we looked tired — a bit leggy” or variations on that theme.

    Come on Arsene, every team has the same fixtures to get thru’ – even those teams in the CL or the Europa competitions. It is a weak excuse and no one I know is impressed with it! And it irritates!!

  291. kelsey says:

    I find it strange that the touted nailed on next England manager did to Defoe what he did to an extent to Bent.
    Now look at Defoe, he would have been that fox in the box that we could have bought within our budget.

    I agree about the OX, it’s asking a lot of a young man with limited first team experience to literally change a game in a short cameo role.

    I just looked at Swansea’s second goal again. jenkinson was looking frantically to pass the ball to someone as he was being hasstled, no one there that I could se, so unfortunately he lost control and they go and score second without an Arenal shirt in sight, even allowing for the fact that with we were trying to press for an equaliser.

  292. chas says:

    RA,
    I just happened to watch this and I don’t think he was making an excuse, but more of an observation.

    Of the 4 CL teams for the last week and a half, only the mancs came out of it smelling of roses.

    mancs
    Lost Galatasary away
    Beat QPR home
    Beat West Ham home
    Beat Reading away

    Camel shaggers
    Drew Madrid home
    Drew chavs away
    Beat Wigan away
    Drew Everton home

    chavs
    Lost Juventus away
    Drew shaggers home
    Drew Fulham home
    Lost West Ham away

    Arsenal
    Beat Montpellier home
    Drew Villa away
    Drew Everton away
    Lost Swansea home

  293. Red Arse says:

    Kelsey;

    It’s the old problem of all out attack to get an equalizer/winner and being caught on the break. But no one moved their asses to help Jenks out – the usual static onlooking, with one exception.

    Rosicky, to give him credit, hared back from the left wing to catch Michu, but inexplicably as he got near him he slowed down and did not tackle him. Que? But at least he did try to rescue the situation.

  294. Red Arse says:

    Chas,

    Thank you for the vid. I have seen and heard that interview a number of times – but I have said it is one of his stock phrases and it was not just that single occasion I was referring to.
    It is a recurring comment and has worn a bit thin.

    The definition of observation/excuse in these circumstances leads us into semantics. It is either a pointless observation or it is a feeble excuse.

    Either way, I was making the ‘observation’ that it irritates me, and I would like him to stop it, and I cannot apologise for that.

  295. Gooner In Exile says:

    RA/Kelsey yes we were on all out attack, but most in ground could see Jenkinson was in trouble, and what disappointed me is the man closest just had to drop 20 yards and make himself available, he didnt (and nor did anyone else) so Jenkinson had no options. He was on the 18 Yard when he had to turn back.

  296. chas says:

    RA,
    I was just making an ‘observation’ on your ‘observation’. :)

  297. Gooner In Exile says:

    The man closest was Cazorla

  298. kelsey says:

    I just watched Sunday Supplement and nearly word for word they are saying what I have been on for months.
    we are a team of individuals not a unit. The few big name players that are left will be having their doubts and will maybe also move on.
    The board believe qualifying for CL is basically a trophy.

    AW panicked last season and to an extent this and bought in the main sub standard players realising project youth had failed.
    The question for me is if there is money available,will Wenger not spend it or is he under instructions to be over frugal.

  299. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Kelsey,
    That, for me, is the big question.

  300. goonermichael says:

    It wasn’t a dream then

  301. goonermichael says:

    Kelsey

    Park
    Santos
    Mertesacker
    Arteta
    Podolski
    Cazorla
    Giroud

    Apart from Park who is gone I don’t think they are sub standard.

  302. Rasp says:

    I’ve already answered the question about wenger/board/money several times.

    Unfortunately the idea that we can buy our way out of trouble in January is flawed, first the type of players we need don’t seem to be available and secondly it is unrealistic to expect they will fit straight into the team and make a difference immediately.

    We have to get better performances out of the players we have. Unfortunately Theo will be protecting himself for his big summer move and Gerv will be missing.

    Motivating and organising the players we have is our only strategy to turn things round.

  303. Gooner In Exile says:

    Did Project Youth fail or did the key members just f*** off and leave us in the shit.

    Fact is Project Youth was on low wages relative to their individual quality and what they could earn elsewhere, the Board/Wenger clearly didn’t want to spend more on wages so have brought in older players content to earn what players like Cesc and Nasri were on. I assume older players because Project Youth was about to reach maturity.

  304. goonermichael says:

    The players we have should be doing better IMO Rasp.

  305. Morning all – I’m just putting together a post of questions for today. I’ve pinched a couple of comments from this morning from Micky, GiE and kelsey to pad it out. Hope that’s ok with you.

  306. Gooner In Exile says:

    In hindsight I would have preferred to keep buying and promoting youth from within.

    Much harder as Rasp says to find a player who can drop into a system, especially when we don’t seem to have a system at present. And especially when we appear to need two or three.

  307. kelsey says:

    Hi GM

    I said in the main.

    Park,Santos, chamakh,Squillaci, all not good enough

    mertesacker good but questionable if we could have got better

    Podolski still needs time as does giroud but more impressed with the latter
    Arteata not half the player he was last season but again AW has this knack of playing players out of position

    I already said carorla is class.

    benyahoun on loan, should have kept him for another year

  308. Gooner In Exile says:

    Fine by me Peaches.

    GM I agree and the problem as I see it is professionalism, the players aren’t showing enough of it.

  309. goonermichael says:

    Can we have one of those voting things to cheer me up peaches? :roll:

  310. chas says:

    Full Mugabe media lockdown for me.

  311. goonermichael says:

    Chamakh and Squliacci were before last year kelsey

  312. Rasp says:

    I agree gm – that was my point. I asked yesterday how many Swansea players would get into the Arsenal side – 2 maybe … and yet they played us off the park.

    The work has to be done on the training pitch and the enrgy level in games needs to be uppred by several notches.

    We lack the fluidity of movement that characterised Wenger’s teams of the past although we have been poor when not in possession for years now – it doesn’t seem to be a focus of our ‘system’

  313. goonermichael says:

    I’d have Michu :-D

  314. Rasp says:

    I think Podolski was very pissed off at being put wide left with Gerv in the middle at the start of the game and although he should be professional and just do what is asked of him, part of me asks ‘well why the hell not try with him in the middle and see if he can prove that it is his best position’.

    By the time he moved centrally in the second half he seemed to have lost interest completely.

  315. goonermichael says:

    My son who is normally ultra negative is convinced we’ll get top 4 and finish above the spud

  316. Rasp says:

    Michu and Dyer gm :?

  317. Rasp says:

    Was TMHT your milkman 9 months before he was born gm?

  318. goonermichael says:

    I haven’t seen the game Rasp but Gervinho is good on the left so i don’t know why we don’t try it

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