Arsène, its time to say goodbye

These are words I never thought I would utter, if we qualify against all odds for the Champions League again this year I would like to see Arsène Wenger resign as Arsenal manager.

Those who know me, will think I have gone stark raving mad. This wish has nothing to do with whether I think he can take the team further, if he is too old, that he doesn’t want to spend money or any of the other criticisms aimed at our manager.

Its none of those reasons because I don’t think I am in a position to judge him, or his decisions, the man knows more about football, players, fitness, psychology, economics and probably just about everything else in his little finger than I will learn in a lifetime. In short he is a genius.

After we lost 8-2 at Old Toilet many pundits said it would be Arsène’s greatest achievement to get this side/squad into the Champions League, they were still saying it after the new (hastily rebuilt) squad lost away to Spuds, and Blackburn.

So with Champions League qualification in our hands and assuming we manage it what better time to leave the club? You will have just performed your greatest miracle. You have achieved again what so many say isn’t a trophy, yet use as a stick to beat you harder with when it looked like we were nowhere near getting it, remember some people said we would be lucky not to be relegated let alone qualify for Europe.

So why, why do I think Arsène should leave us at the end of the season? If its not football, if its not transfer dealings, if its not for a better chance of trophies why do I ask him to leave?

Well my mind was made up at the Wigan game, I know its not ideal to decide things in emotional circumstances, but my mind was made up after ten minutes of that game. I hadn’t been to the Emirates for a while, the first chance I had had to get down since Villa in the FA Cup. It wasn’t the performance that made me think he should leave, it wasn’t the fact that we had carelessly given a team fighting for their life a two goal head start. It was the reaction of those around me.

After 9 wins in 10 premier league games, after amazing comebacks against the cretins from N17, against the goal shy dippers, a spirited performance to beat City we found ourselves  2-0 down against a side at the wrong end of the table. Suddenly every fan around me in Clock End lower thought they could do a better job than Arsène again, “Bring on Ox”, “Theo’s useless why do you play him”, “Ramsey’s useless in centre midfield”, “Djourou you’re useless, why didn’t he buy a centre back” etc etc etc. Did I hear encouragement? Very little. And I hate watching football like that.

Some fans I guess just have a sense of entitlement, “We should beat Wigan”. Well yes we should, but sometimes shit happens. You’d think some fans had never been to a football game the way they wet themselves every time the opposition attack.

I fear now that it wouldn’t matter if we went on a 37 game winning streak and lost the 38th and the title to United on goal difference of 1 (it is possible) fans would blame it all on Wenger rather than luck, “if only he’d have bought Cahill/Schwarzer/Alonso/Hazard/Mata we would have won it”. There is discontent bubbling away under the surface waiting to boil over at the slightest hint of weakness. I am afraid it is here to stay, and no matter what has been achieved this season, or what is achieved in future this discontent will remain, and my enjoyment of going to watch my Arsenal play will be ruined by having to sit alongside these entitled few.

So sorry that this is rather a personal request and will not sit easy with regulars here, but Arsène, for the sanity of one of your most loyal supporters, its time to say goodbye. Thanks for the memories.

Written by Gooner in Exile

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388 Responses to Arsène, its time to say goodbye

  1. Mike says:

    RVP has had his best season too. I suppose you think it would be a good idea if he also leaves…………………….what a warped sense of logic you have.

  2. Unfortunately, I have to agree with you that we are not the most supportive of football fans. In some ways, Arsene has spoilt us and he’s paying the price for it. But what makes his unique is that he will not leave, he will fight, he will take abuse, he will defend his players, but he will not change his philosophy due to outside pressure. You may agree or disagree with his ideas, but it’s certainly a virtue that has to commended – lesser men succumb to much less pressure. By the way, just how good are the Azulgranas for waiting around and applauding their team even after the second Chelsea goal last night? Maybe we’ll develop that spirit in years to come.

  3. Arseniel says:

    Haven’t you got anything better to do. What a pile of sh&te. Poor article

  4. Trevor Ray says:

    Wenger, has never been a great tactician and his inability or stubborness to bring in defensive minded players let alone defenders has failed us. Also, you need height and physicality something he seems determined to avoid. Plan B also helps, not this persistence in playing through the middle which as we’ll see against Stoke is easy to counter.

  5. A86 says:

    I disagree competed with your article as I think it’s imperative wenger stays for long term stability of the club. He’s done wonders with the limited budget which is the boards responsibility. Having said that we are all entitled to our opinion and you have yours and you don’t seem to be one of those who is making this statement out of pure spite for arsene unlike some other blogs.

  6. kelsey says:

    Hadn’t thought of that Mike

    .Good thinking and take Walcott his buddy with him and throw in Song for good measureand Wenger will re-enlight Barcelna to the dizzy heights they had three weeks ago.
    Get Alex McLeish in, he has the experience of working with American owners he is consistent as he could do the double by taking two seperate clubs down in consecutive seasons. he must be the right man to take Arsenal forward.

  7. Steve of Chiang Mai says:

    So do you think the moron fringe will change their tune if Wenger went I seriously doubt that. The club would be better off finding some genuine Arsenal fans who could never afford a season ticket and pay for their tickets. The team needs Arsenal fans at Arsenal games…. ones capable of having the players hear a song of encouragement when they are struggling not moans. Heavens sake we have enough critics in the press and the blogosphere!

  8. John Gee says:

    You have it totally wrong !! It is not Arsene who should go, it is the cretins shouting their abuse. If they are so disgruntled don’t renew their season tickets, there are plenty who would relish the opportunity to buy. These people, and now you by the sound of it, don’t know when they are well off

  9. Rasp says:

    Perhaps those of you new to this site are not aware of irony.

    The abuse being heaped on the author is not dissimilar to that directed at the manager – and it is that which GoonerInExile is protesting about.

    I sat with GiE before the Wigan game and I can tell you he is the most fervent Arsène Wenger supporter I know.

    If you look a bit deeper into the message of the article you might discover that it is saying that some fans are not worthy of the manager or the club….. please don’t embarrass yourselves with any more ‘go support totnum’ jibes and maybe examine your own level of suppport.

  10. Slimgingergooner says:

    Problem is GIE, the abuse would continue even if it was someone else in charge. Fans are annoyed at the lack of trophies, poor performances, price increases, not spending etc this isn’t all Arsene’s doing, and if someone else came in they would have the same issues that he has. Only difference is they would probably be unable to deal with it like Arsene can and we would finish mid table.

    As for some of the comments on here this morning, just sums up exactly the type of moaning wankers you sit next to in the stands. Shame people are unable to respond with thoughts and sentences these days and just say, or type, the 1st thing that comes into there head.

  11. Red Arse says:

    Hi People, :-)

    I think Mike was attempting to be sarcastic Kelsey. Didn’t seem to work! :-)

    Oddly enough, those above vilifying poor old GIE, are treating him much the same way as the morons who crucify Arsene.

  12. SharkeySure says:

    Brilliant

  13. TT says:

    I take this article to be a criticism of fan support; the hyperbolic title is only a cover to attract readers.

    Unfortunately for me, I’ve never gotten a chance to attend an Arsenal game, but what GiE reports above is depressing. Even more so, given that Arsenal has had to overcome so many adversities this season to be where it is now.

    Can it be said that the Arsenal fan base is another adversity for the team to overcome?

  14. Rasp says:

    There are too many comments on here for me to address you all individually. At the very least, accept that by publishing this piece we have made you think about the effect of that negative support can have on a player, a manager, a team.

    The author is not going to lose any sleep over being called ‘a twit’, but he is fed up of having to listen to so-called fans screaming abuse at games.

  15. kelsey says:

    Iknow RA,

    I just thought I would add to it :)

  16. Red Arse says:

    Crikey, Rasper, — SNAP!! :-)

  17. John says:

    How funny is this, most of the comments before me prove your point. I used to go to 10-ish games every season (silver member) but the last 2 seasons I’ve only been to 5. Reason? Nothing to do with the football but it’s the stupid booing/moaning fans who seem to think they know all about running a football team. You always had these fans of course but the last few years it has become an epidemic. My last game of the season will be Norwich, I hope we will be cheering all the players and Wenger at their customary lap of honour.

  18. Red Arse says:

    Steady on, Rasp.

    Asking people to think before they yap is a little bit ambitious.

    They are all entitled to their opinions, and they are welcome to them, but it is like spreading marmalade on the toast, there are so many people who cannot express themselves without lashings of abuse for the target of their abuse, in this case GIE, or on the terraces directed at Arsene.

    Sad.

  19. DaveGooner says:

    “No matter what has been achieved this season”. That’s the point, nothing has been achieved this season. We are battling for 3/4th place as usual and approaching a 7th season without a trophy having recovered from poor start which was once again due to Wenger’s inability to act quickly and decisively in the transfer market! I’m afraid you can’t lavish praise on Wenger for recovering from a problem that he created only to finish no better than last season. That is why the fans are frustrated and agitated. We look forward to another summer of fighting to hang on to our best players while indulging the dross and not bringing in the quality required to win. Wenger will neither walk away or be sacked anytime soon but when he eventually goes it take years to undo the mess he has created regarding players’ contracts etc.

  20. Dave says:

    I have read some stupid articles in my time, but this is the cream, no logic whatsoever, just ignorant emotional drivel

  21. A86 says:

    Spot in John I go to matches but recently you should hear the fans abusing Ramsey…it’s despicable and makes me so ashamed..can’t say much though!

  22. Red Arse says:

    Well said John! :-)

    Dave.

    Have you read the comments above and tried to understand the author’s attempt to show the stupidity of some fans?

    Stupid question — don’t bother!

  23. Reddawn says:

    Arseneil, if you deride a post without reason, it has no meaning or value.
    Gooner in excile….interesting thoughts, but I feel you have been guided more by the mob than reason. Wenger is our Churchill, a great man who had not only to fight the foe, but also deal with 5th columnists within his own country. Our 5th columnist are those who show very little respect for Wenger during the course of any game where we appear to be losing. Wenger will never resign due to the bully boy tactics of those who undermine their own team. When the time comes for Wenger to retire, I for one, hope he becomes a director of this noble club.

  24. Gooner In Exile says:

    Morning all. Who’s being ironic? :D

    Just kidding, good to see some Wenger supporters around tho. I know we will never lose the dissenting voices, they’ve always been there. But whereas previously it has been 1 or 2 per thousand, it now seems to be 10-20 per 100, unfortunately social media makes them more vocal and gives them encouragement that they are right and so they continue.

    Barca last night whatever you think of them as a club their fans know how to create pressure. The ball only has to roll in to the opposition keepers hands for it to result in a “ooooooah” from the stands.

    Anyway here’s a cat there are some pigeons….I’m throwing the cat in there and off to work. See you all later.

    Rasp, great pic it’s like he is looking at me before saying “hm what?”

  25. Rasp says:

    Thanks Dave,

    This is a co-operative site where all opinions are welcome as long as they are expressed with a degree of respect.

    You pass a severe verdict on today’s offering. Why don’t you prove your point and write an article that is not ‘ignorant or emotional’ and we will see what reaction it provokes?

    You, like the majority of new posters today, have completely missed the point of the article.

  26. Red Arse says:

    GIE, :-)

    I do know you — and I also know you are not stark raving mad!

    I do, however, think you are foolishly brave to try, however cleverly, to highlight the damage these inveterate moaners are doing to our fantastic manager, individual players and the team, and not least to loyal fellow Gooners who are heartily sick of all the abuse.

    What’s worse, you are now being excoriated by those fans who support Arsene and do not realise the point you are making.

    You are a braver man than me, Gunga Din.

  27. Wanduta edwin says:

    Yea even Frank left Barcelona at its best xo a good thought

  28. henrychan - indonesia says:

    I love Arsene Wenger.. Arsene = Arsenal.. Is that just a coincidence that his name very similar with this club.. hehehe..

    With his great 15 years (cmiiw..) in Arsena, we always in the UCL competition.. Never lost once, and nor do this year.. And now we are second richest club after MU in EPL.. and the fifth in the world (cmiiw..). What a great job done..

    Never cross in my mind that Arsenal without Arsene.. In his ages of 62, he could stay 3 to 5 more years.. (remember Ferguson is 70 and Harry is 65). Wenger will never leave untill he gave us one more EPL and UCL victory..

    But if in the worst situation that we must lose AW anyway.. I prefer Klopp to replace him.. His vision of youngsters in samilar with AW..
    Let us wish all the best will come to our beloved Arsenal..

  29. A86 says:

    Oh apologies GIE just read the entire article rather than the first para….you’re one of us! Though like i said arsenal is going down if wenger leaves and as you can see he still has substantial support and the board know he’s indispensable as will the rest of the mob once he achieves the success he desires rather than the rest of the mob leaving shortly after wenger exit and realising the hard way as arsenal crumbles.

  30. Gooner says:

    I do genuinely think it’s time for Wenger to go.

    I think he has been the best manager our Club has ever had – without question!

    For me, his transfer dealings have been poor (Mertersaker, Gervinho, Chamackh, Park – others going back further).
    His ungraciousness when we lose really pisses me off.
    He has never freshened the backroom team up (one of the main reasons Sir Alex Ferguson has been successful is constant freshening his staff up).
    His tactical awareness is poor (refusing to adapt a new system for 5 years, even at 1-2 against Wigan at home we played with one up top).
    Clearly something is wrong with the Medical Department with the amount of muscular injuries we get. Was Jack Wilshere’s injury misdiagnosed?

    Before others ask ‘okay, so who do we replace him with?’. Truthfully I don’t know. How do you follow Arsene Wenger? I don’t know. But clearly this isn’t working, yes we are third in the league behind two financial powerhouses and equally, I wouldn’t want to spend like they do. But I also don’t want to spend £11m on Gervinho, £10m on Mertersaker when Cahill is available. Why won’t Wenger sign players with character and personality? I think it’s because he want’s control every aspect of the Club and doesn’t want character’s who might set the cat amongst the pigeons.

    Why did the Celtic Chief Executive turn down Gazidis’s job before he got it? Is it because Wenger is hard to work with? Maybe, maybe not.

    We put Arsene Wenger on a pedistall and rightly so after what he has achieved, however he should still be accountable to the Board and the fans and I think for sure he has made big mistakes in the last 3 or 4 years and those mistakes have gone unaccountable.

    Peter Hill Wood says Wenger has a job for life……What does that mean? What does that mean? Think about it, it means NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

    I am not Anti-Arsene Wenger but I am pro Arsenal Football Club and my views are I believe in the best interests of Our Club.

    Now is the time to draw up a shortlist of managerial candidates and thank Arsenal’s greatest ever manager for all he has done for us and for setting us up for the next 25 years.

  31. TT says:

    DaveGooner, let’s for a moment accept your premise that Wenger created problems for the team this year. Why can’t we praise people for recovering from a problem? Isn’t it admirable that people manage to extract themselves out of difficulties, even the self inflicted ones?

    There are plenty of times during a football match where a team might do something poorly and put themselves behind. Yet we cheer when they recover and pull out a point or even get all three, don’t we? We don’t say, “You guys created the problem of falling behind, so why should we cheer when you comeback and win.” That would be ridiculous, no? In fact, I believe those comeback matches are more exciting and more of a spectacle than the ones where one team trashes another.

    Perhaps it is the wrong company to say this, but yesterday Chelsea went to 10 men and 2-0 down to Barca at the Nou Camp, yet they persisted and now are in the finals. They screwed up at the start with some poor defending and individual errors. In the end they pulled through. That is admirable, no?

    I suspect this argument wouldn’t change your mind about Wenger, but at least give him credit for making a recovery.

  32. TotalArsenal says:

    GiE, What a great post – definitely one of the best AA post I ever read. :)

    This is your ‘love’ letter to Arsene, isn’t it?! :) You respect and care so much about him that you are advising him to leave, even though you know how much this would hurt you/us. That, my friend, is love. :D

    In the meantime, you cleverly are putting the mirror in front of those ‘fans’ who believe that the manager and players have nothing to do with his/her Arsenal, that they are detached from our club – employees who can be sacked any minute, that they do not need to be supported when they need it most, but should be criticised and vilified whenever they feel like it. Because they can: I am not happy – you are playing shit – and I will let you know – cause I can.

    These sort of fans will always exist, there is nothing we can do about it. Luckily, Arsene has grown a thick skin and a Gaelic shrug to cope with all this, but you are right: he should not have to put with it.

  33. goonermichael says:

    How funny.

    I still hate cesc evonne. He didn’t give us his best years. his best years are from now. We gave him 8 years of nurturing and he pissed off as he was about to bloom.

    It’s funny how the people who like Wenger can be abusive as well.

  34. gebo says:

    fire wenger call daglish because alred have cap, his experiese than wenger

  35. Red Arse says:

    Gooner,

    I agree with parts of your comment, and I am a huge AW fan.

    What I really appreciated tho’ was, whether I agreed with you, or not, you put forward a clear, balanced, well reasoned explanation of your views, without the diatribe.

    Well done Sir! :-)

  36. Red Arse says:

    Hi TA, :-)

    Thank you, for yesterday! Much appreciated! :-)

    Got to go for a while — bloody GIE threw the cat among the pigeons then left us to explain, while he went off and schmoozed his clients!! :-)

  37. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi RA :)

    Your wish is GiE’s command. Remember your point yesterday of 99% of comments coming from regulars? :P

    Also saw your comment re the political mess in The Netherlands. I could say a lot about it, but we run the risk we’ll get back to discussing politics again on AA, and that would not be wise, especially on a day like this! :)

    Are you getting a bit used to your treatments now?

  38. TotalArsenal says:

    Some fine comments today, in particular TT and HenryG! :)

  39. henrychan - indonesia says:

    Why don’t we discuss who will come if RVP gone.. It’s more realistic that to discuss about AW.. for we know that he will never leave unless something big and uncontrolable happened.. hehehe..

    I never wish RVP to leave.. But if he leave.. I chose Bas Dost from Heereveen.. What do you think..???

  40. Gooner In Exile says:

    TA I guess it is my love letter. Thanks for the compliments :oops:

    RA I refute the schmoozing remark, I prefer greasing, or relieving them of their hard earned :D

  41. kelsey says:

    Some of us older folk on here remember when times at Arenal were dire,year upon year,There have always been fickle so called fans, some even leaving at half time if we were 1 or 2 nil down. Nothing has changed except the capacity at our new home and the stewarding is more stringent.

    Those of you who are 25 to 30 have experienced some grea tmes under Wenger and though the bar has been raised twice not once we will live to fight another day whilst more and more clubs go into administration.

    Whatever one thinks of Wenger i believe he will see out his contract and most probably let a younger man reap the benefits in the next few years.

  42. Rasp says:

    GiE, you’ve flushed out a lot of ‘quick on th trigger’ Arsène supporters, but not many of the types you highlight in the article.

    Maybe your next piece should be titled “The more you moan, the longer Arsène will stay”? :lol:

  43. Itopa Okene says:

    Some fans find joy in trophyless, do u even know numbers died out of hypertension because of wenger’s myopic? Wenger shu beter leave or x he wil die mysteriously. Fuck off wenger’s fans bt i hail true arsenal fans. Arival of guediola is beter dan rydjack, nbdy is God n wenger is not.

  44. Rasp says:

    I give up :roll:

  45. TotalArsenal says:

    Henry, Bas Dost had a very good season, but it is a big step-up from Heereveen to Arsenal, and the pressure on him would be immense. By the way, you seem to watch a lot of the Dutch and German league games!

    Anyway, he ain’t going anywhere and the the Pod is joining us. But say it would happen, I would like us to get Torres or Benzema.

  46. Gooner In Exile says:

    Never mind Rasp it’s amusing reading the diatribe and I love being a fake fan!

  47. Dandan says:

    gie am just going out for my fish and chips, we will have words on my return. :-)

  48. Dannyboy says:

    It seems the newbies have missed their train this morning!If you had finished reading the article then you would have got the message in this article.Were you not taught to read the whole question at School?

    ps:still cheesed off with last nights result.

  49. nkusuny says:

    I really understand what you re saying, but in as much as i understand it, i still believe Arsene has an unfinihed business with Arsenal! He can chalenge for titles come next season if he keep his present squad and may add 2 or 3 quality in vital Areas. He ve got to stay and proof critics wrong.

  50. Basil says:

    The club (board/manager) have created this sort of demanding fan though by the price they charge – premium prices demand premium performances so I have little sympathy for them, of course things would almost certainly be different if the oil money hadn’t flowed into the game in the last 7-8 years but instead of adapting they continue to swim against the tide and tell the fans finishing in the top is like winning a trophy, it isn’t washing anymore, I agree that it isn’t helpful to get on the back of players but lets not pretend this is the reason why we are no longer competetive and lost 8-2 to a team we use to rival.

  51. Double98 says:

    Arsene must stay for the following reasons:

    1./ There is no one better in world football.
    ANYONE can buy the league. If you disagree with his philiospophy then i refer you to a list of clubs who over spent in search of glory – rangers, portsmouth, leeds.
    We are the third biggest club in EPL, with the 10th largest spending capability and a top 10 club in Europe with the 50th largest spending capability
    Winning leagues is not what sport or football is about – it is about competing – and Wenger has competed in the heavyweight division as a cruiserweight and is moving the club to a heavyweight physique through diet and exercise. Other clubs are moving from middleweight to heavy weight with Steroids – their penises are small as a result.
    2./ If he can sign up RVP early and avoid a summer of drama and dna nonsense – he will win us the league, cup or champtions league.To keep the boxing anaology this season he had prepared a fighter for a fight only to have that fighter pull out at the last moment so he hastily found a substitute and showed them how to punch and still mamnaghed to outbox harry redknapp, kenny dalglish, Andre Villas Boas etc

    the man is a legend and has more legend in him – it will be a sad sad day when he leaves because he more than any other manager i have seen is at one with the club

  52. evonne says:

    GM @ 10:27 – i know we’ll never agree about Francesc, but that’s ok, thank God we all have different opinions on footy; it would be ever so boring otherwise

    Take for example GiE’s article – I think it is written straight from the heart, unconditional love for everything that’s Arsenal. I got all emotional reading it; i couldn’t agree more. And yet read some of the comments – shocking, completely undeserved abuse and criticism. I guess that GiE is big and ugly enough to take it.

    The title has obviously attracked in drones those who want AW to go, they jumped all excited to read it, only to find out that they should leave AFC, not Wenger.

    GiE – cheers big fellow

  53. Red Arse says:

    Hi TA,

    I don’t think I will ever get used to the treatment! :-( Thanks for asking tho’.
    I was told the first 6 months would be particularly tough, and 3 weeks in I can say the Docs are not wrong! :-)

    Before I buzz off for a while, I thought I would venture a thought trying to explain the occasional poor behaviour of some fans (and not just Arsenal fans).

    GIE and other AAers have sometimes mentioned specific instances of abusive fans near them at games. However, it is often only when large sections of the crowd join in that the atmosphere turns really ugly.

    It is a phenomenon known as the ‘Herd’ or ‘Mob’ mentality.

    People who are part of a group of like minded individuals often lose their personal perspective and also lose their own inhibitions or acceptable normal social restraints and with it their own individuality.

    Groups can generate a false sense of mass emotional excitement, which can in turn lead to provocative behaviour that an individual would not normally dare to engage in if alone. [Tottenham Riots?]

    We sometimes hear GIE and others saying that however hard they try at the Emirates they sometimes cannot get others to join in whether it be out of shyness, indifference or whatever.
    Alternatively, on other occasions, fans start to spontaneously sing and shout in unison in a way that they would not conceivably do if they were the only ones doing it. (GIE aside) :-)

    The group/crowd seems also to make some behaviors acceptable that would not be acceptable otherwise. And this phenomenon extends to the chanting of vile, irrational and personal abuse directed at the target of the mob.

    This mob mentality can also be reflected in certain blog sites.

    It would seem that the greater the numbers of critical/abusive fans, the more other onlookers lose their own self-awareness and become willing to engage in this unacceptable behaviour because of the physical anonymity of the crowd, either at a match or on a blog.

    Some people feel (often wrongly) that if their behaviour cannot be traced back to them personally, that they can indulge in anti-social behaviour without there being the likelihood of any retribution being visited upon them.

    Viewed in that context, none of us should be surprised at the antics of those more easily led by their peer groups.

    But what do I know? :-)

  54. GIE,
    I knew when I met you, that you were an undercover black bin liner, trying to infiltrate the heart of the strong pro-Wenger elite squad, you dastardly scoundrel you !. Great enjoyable read. :)

  55. Rasp says:

    Hi D98, Great comment. I noticed you, made some very good points yesterday that went seemingly unnoticed. Since today is about recognition of quality, I thought I’d let you know that you write very good stuff :P

  56. Basil says:

    Doube98,

    “We are the third biggest club in EPL, with the 10th largest spending capability and a top 10 club in Europe with the 50th largest spending capability”

    What are you basing that on?.

  57. ziggy says:

    I hate to say this but from your article which is excellent tongue in cheek stuff by the way, and some of the comments i have just read, Arsenal fans seem to be getting the tottenhamitis. The disease of unintelligent fans who turn on their own team and manager when things don’t go well no matter the circumstances. To the morons, changing managers doesnt guarantee trophies and orr attract players. Wenger is not stingy but will not pay over the odds for a calibre of player who is the same level as what he gas in his squad

  58. Makumyx says:

    What bull crap! Dirty grossy stinky bullcrap! Not even Mourinho could have brought arsenal to third with the players wenger had. I beg to disagree. Wenger for life is the motto, and if you dislike it, go and support Portsmouth or better still, pick Aston Villa. Bullcrap!

  59. Rasp says:

    Well said ziggy

  60. Rasp says:

    Not so well said Makumyx

  61. Wayne says:

    I was one of them supporters gutted at our poor start and also said Wenger should go, but he has proved me and many others that he can fight and get us out of the trouble we was in. Arsene and Arsenal next season if we get the players he says we are getting and if we can keep RVP and having Wilshire back will win the league or a major trophy next season. I think Arsene has also woke up and can now see who needs to go and who we need to buy. He tried with many youngsters and failed, the Ox will be superb next season also. So we should as supporters of our great club get behind Arsene and the players and if we lose a game we lose so does many other teams. Wenger will get us great again you will see.

  62. gunnermike 4ever says:

    You will never get rid of the moaners and critics. It is a way of life for them. I first went to Highbury in 1952 and so called supporters then were throwing abuse. We should all be grateful for what Arsene has done for this club and understand that not all he is being blamed for is his fault. The man is a football magician and I hope he is our manager for many more years.

  63. OKEY MACPHILLS says:

    I THINK I BUY YOUR REASONING.ITS BETTER TO LEAVE WHEN OVATION IS LOUD OR AT ITS AVERAGE.

  64. Basil says:

    So if we don’t support Wenger we have to go support Villa?, thats a very interesting point, so if Wenger managed Villa you would then support Villa on that basis? lol.

  65. TotalArsenal says:

    You only have to read RA’s, D98’s and Ziggy’s comments to know that the world is not such a bad place after all. :)

    RA, they sound tough, your treatments. Hope you will find a good way of coping with it!

  66. robbinURpersie says:

    WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TELLING OUR MANAGER TO LEAVE? WHO MADE YOU THE JUDGE AND JURY?? YOU’VE PROBABLY NEVER EVEN BEEN TO A GAME, PEOPLE LIKE YOU RUIN OUR CLUB, ARSENE IS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO US AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU CANT APPRECIATE WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THE PAST, OUR PRESENT AND WHAT HE WILL DO IN THE FUTURE..LEAVE THE SUPPORTING TO YOUR PARENTS ;-)

  67. TotalArsenal says:

    Evonne, I am with you all the way re Cesc, but you knew that already, didn’t you? :)

  68. LB says:

    Hahahah

    You certainly gave the stupid tree a really good shake this morning GIE

  69. robbinURpersie says:

    COME IN SPINNER!!!!

    GiE,
    i see your a bit of a fisherman like myself, and youve reeled in quite a few little fishies..not bad

  70. wally says:

    Enough already. Time to stop blaming the fans for the teams performance. It’s rather mindless.
    Wenger has done an admirable job this season given the box he put himself in. But the team still isn’t deep enough. Too many guys playing far too many games leads to the type of performances we see against QPR and Wigan.
    Hopefully that gets addressed over the summer.

  71. GiE – you are naughty, using an incendiary headline then actually arguing against the headline, albeit by subterfuge and implication. inference and sub text.

    Strangely, the people who are abusing you for apparently deriding Wenger seem to be more vitriolic than the ones who want Wenger out.

    Last night – yuk !

    At least the homesick spaniard can be seen as the jonah who took away the diving Catalans chances for a Liga and Champions League trophy.

    So, you homesick spaniard, how did that new found tactical awareness work out for you last night?

    LOL.

    Real or Bayern had better turn over the Chavs in the final though – the thought of Greasy Abramovich jizzing himself over that trophy is truly sickening.

  72. Nick says:

    I don’t think anyone will “tell” Wenger to go. He’s earned the right to walk away on his own terms when he wants to. Honestly if the board were gonna tell/ask Wenger to leave it would’ve been a couple years ago.

    Ironically there’s a strong hint that Pep will call it quits at Barcelona after this season. They aren’t calling for his head after what Cesc labeled as their “unjust” exit from the CL (sorry Cesc, your beloved Barcelona is out. Unjust was RVP’s red card against Barcelona due to UEFAs love of Barcelona. Someone didn’t give the ref his “bonus check” before that game yesterday) but Pep has said he’ll decide on his future soon. He’s long been a fan of Arsenal and they way we play & run the club. He’s everyone’s consensus favored replacement for Wenger.

    So here’s the question: if Pep leaves Barcelona would anyone be opposed to Wenger leaving and Pep taking over?

  73. goonermichael says:

    gd rtcule. we d gr8ist

  74. robbinURpersie says:

    i loved this piece GiE but regardless of which side of the fence you stand on you will always have both people to ‘jump the gun’ and feel a sense of entitlement..and i have been on both sides..

    in regards to jumping the gun, i went onto a site yesterday and only having read the heading i went straight to the comments to let them know it was ‘gutter press’ before realising later it was a tongue in cheek article…MY BAD.

    in terms of opinion and a sense of entitlement, i have to put my hand up, i cant help it sometimes..there are fans like this in every club, you only have to look at Real Madrid fans waiving white flags in protest to bad performances by their team..

    Thankfully, i while back i found myself on a site called “Arsenal Arsenal” where i have been humbled and educated, and even though im not the finished article i do think twice before i bark..

    so….spank you very much to the regulars of Arsenal Arsenal

  75. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    hahahaha, brilliant GiE, just loving some of the comments today. I bet you any money that you will sit back tonight, beer in one hand, fag in the other, and have a good laugh reading through. Great article.

    I concur with all the oldies on here who point out that fan abuse is nothing new. Terry Neil and the players used to get terrible stick back in the day. The truth is that Arsene Wenger is a man whos been in football a long time and knows abuse is part of the game. From a personal point of view, i regard Arsene Wenger as one of the greatest managers of the modern era and a perfect fit for our club. Lets get this straight, one man will decide when Arsene leaves, and thats Arsene himself.

  76. Double98 says:

    Basil – i made those assertions based on the fact that we operate the club in a sensible profit making / break even model. there are at least 9 clubs in the EPL who will outspend us on single player transfers wrecklessly i.e. based on borrowings, future profits or sugar daddy loans – there are likewise 49 clubs in europe who will do the same –

    I mean we can argue about the nitty gritty of that assertation but we all know that it is broadly true

  77. TotalArsenal says:

    RurP, your comments are always full of passion and insight and you have been an asset to AA. I learn from you as much as anybody else. For example, I started to think recently that you had a point after all with your view we should have kept Arshavin as a super-sub, as the Ox and Gervinho have not been able to find the right form either.

  78. robbinURpersie says:

    Nick,

    YES I WOULD BE OPPOSED

  79. goonermichael says:

    Nick I would be opposed. I don’t think pep is that great.

  80. VCC says:

    Nick 11:48.

    No thank you. Keep Wenger any day.

    I wonder how Cesc is this morning.

    gm 10:27. Totally agree.

  81. Watch what u say n careful what you wish for. We don’t need fans like you n ur rubbish blog @ arsenal. Come on wenger come arsenal. There is going to be changes, but not the manager…. Deal with it or support spurs

  82. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Great comment robbin. It shows humility and intelligence to say those things. The truth is we learn all the time and to pretend otherwise is arrogant and misguided. This site is certainly a football education…………but, sometimes its good to be pig headed to, i reckon next year we will the league and champions league double and there is no point arguing with me because when Terry says its gona happen, it happens. hahaha

  83. Rasp says:

    true arsenal fan – do yourself a favour and read back through the comments……

    …….Perhaps those of you new to this site are not aware of irony.

    The abuse being heaped on the author is not dissimilar to that directed at the manager – and it is that which GoonerInExile is protesting about.

    I sat with GiE before the Wigan game and I can tell you he is the most fervent Arsène Wenger supporter I know.

    If you look a bit deeper into the message of the article you might discover that it is saying that some fans are not worthy of the manager or the club….. please don’t embarrass yourselves with any more ‘go support totnum’ jibes and maybe examine your own level of suppport.

  84. Jamma says:

    I’m much fan of what you said,

  85. Gooner In Exile says:

    Actually reading Rasp defending me again gives me a warm glow.

    He says that I am a staunch supporter of Arsene and that is true, the same would hopefully be true of my support of anyone else who is lucky enough to be at the helm of our club. Even if it was Pulis? Well no one ever said supporting Arsenal was easy.

  86. Red Arse says:

    Rasp,

    Many of these comments prove what I have often suspected.

    Many bloggers do not read or are incapable of understanding what they read, and make themselves look foolish, however many times we try to explain the reality of the Post.

    Durrrr……………..

  87. Gooner says:

    Ziggy – is Mertersaker better than Koscielny? Is Chamackh better than Bendtner (who got played wide right ina 4-5-1). Is Park better than, er, well anyone?

    Nick – Arsene Wenger is an employee who should have no right to say ‘I stay, I go’. What other manager in world football reserves this right? The Club is of absolute paramount and by saying Wenger decides then he becomes bigger than The Club.

    Double 98 – Please name 9 Clubs who’d pay more for players and please name the 49 European Clubs who’d pay more.

    Thing to remember is I am not against Arsene Wenger but I am for The Club.

  88. Rasp says:

    That may be true RA, although I can understand why someone new to the site could take the article literally. What I don’t understand is why, if they don’t agree, they wouldn’t respond with something along these lines…

    …..”Come on mate, don’t let them grind you down, Arsène is a great manager we don’t really want to lose him for the sake of a minority of moaners”

  89. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GiE,
    Not really here, but this is so funny. You have flushed out many real Arsene Fans, but also some slightly slow ones, who will simply never come back. I think Rasp has much copying and pasting to do today.
    Later, hopefully.

  90. TotalArsenal says:

    What makes me really laugh today is that it appears that those who do not have English as their first language often understand the irony better/ get it than those who do. :)

  91. Double98 says:

    gooner – seriously?

    Man U
    Man City
    Chelsea
    Tottenham
    Liverpool
    Fulham
    Newcastle
    Sunderland
    Stoke

    Look over a 5 year period at transfers – wengers model is based on self sustainablity

    http://www.transferleague.co.uk/transfer-fees-v-league-positions/premier-league-2007-2011.html

  92. Patrick O'Neill says:

    Maybe those fans who are complaining about AW would rather have ‘Arry when he doesn’t get the England job. Then they would have something to moan about. I have criticised AW regularly but who would these moaners replace him with. This is probably their list, Pep (no chance), Maureen (no chance), Klopp (no chance), ‘Arry (wow), Steve Bruce (wow), Mick McCarthy (wow), GG (my choice if AW leaves), Owen Coyle (wow). Pick any of the wow’s and the moaners are then in deep sh1t. AW is the best man for the job, he’s just so fu..king stubborn. It’s not AW who should go, it is IG to be replaced by David Dein. Any chance of getting rid of SK.

  93. gunnern5 says:

    Rasp;@1:06

    …..”Come on mate, don’t let them grind you down, Arsène is a great manager we don’t really want to lose him for the sake of a minority of moaners

    Rasp, If you were hoping for reasoned responses then you should have chosen a reasonable headline maybe- “Is it time for Arsene to say goodbye?”

    Instead you chose an incendiary headline and got the responses the headline deserved.

  94. Rasp says:

    Hi gn5, my only involvement in the article was to add a picture, the headline and all the content was GiE’s.

    I also suspect that GiE probably does feel that way in his darker moments – but you’ll have to ask him that yourself.

  95. Gooner says:

    Patrick O’Neil I think you are probably right about The Board and IG and DD is certainly the one person who has a right to be at Arsenal more than anyone!

    Double 98 – I take your point but there is a bigger picture than transfer fee’s, i.e agent fees, salaries over 3, 4, 5 year contracts like the one Diaby, Almunia, Denilson and other players who aren’t good enough for Arsenal are on.

    For instance, why do you think Almunia whose on £50k per week has not been sold if Arsene Wenger is so astute? Becuase Almunia won’t leave his contract until it runs out., nor will Denilson.

    Is that financially astute? Why put players who aren’t good enough on long deals on serious money?

    We are the third highest salary payers in the League, is that justified?

  96. gunnern5 says:

    Rasp.

    I did not mean you personally but you as a site leader, who after all has the right of veto on any article or headline. So my assumption is that if an article is published it’s with your approval.

  97. Big Raddy says:

    GIE. Thank you.

    As LB says you have shaken the stupid tree :-)

  98. Rasp says:

    Thanks gn5, I did not speak to GiE before the article was published and for all I know he may have meant every word. His subsequent comments would suggest not though. Experienced writers like GiE would not appreciate me editing their work I suspect.

    I have made a mistake by presenting my view that I thought his tongue was firmly in his cheek, but on the other hand if we’d not reacted to the abusive responses, the debate would have descended into farce.

    What bloggers often fail to acknowledge is that by raising a topic that has ruffled their feathers, we give them the opportunity to state their point of view. As you know, as long as opinions are expressed in reasonable terms we are happy air them on this forum so others can hear their viewpoint.

  99. Big Raddy says:

    Gn5. I write as one of the chief post writers on the site.

    If Rasp decided that something I had written was incendiary and asked me to reconsider, I would consider then most probably reject his opinion.

    AA is not one person’s blog, it is all of ours and if someone disagrees with the post they have a forum to express their views, but they have to do so in a non-abusive manner.

    This morning I made the decision to trash some of the one line abuse which is normally found on other sites. Rasp had nothing whatsoever to do with my decision.

  100. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp :-)

    Gooner. DD got over £70 million for his shares. Let him buy a season ticket!

  101. Danish Gooner says:

    Cry me a river !!!! Fact is that Wenger have had enough chances to stop the rot but havnt.No one in their right mind believes that his team is capable of challenging or actually win the Cl or the Premier League we are just there to fill in the numbers,The apprehension from the punters stems from some extremely poor defensive displays over the years.Englands third biggist club is just there to make up the numbers that is simply not good enough.

  102. Arkadiy says:

    Maybe we should sack the fans, get a new bunch in…

  103. gunnern5 says:

    BR;

    My point is simple, incendiary headlines lead to incendiary comments.

    If you want to sanitize the site then start with the headlines.

  104. TotalArsenal says:

    Rasp, I have emailed you a draft post (as discussed yesterday).

  105. Red Arse says:

    Rasp,

    I agree with your earlier comment. Some of the bloggers have clearly not understood the ironic reasons GIE gave for suggesting AW should go. And that is fair enough.

    In my opinion, neither the article nor the headline was particularly ‘incendiary’, whatever that means.

    Everyone is entitled to their own view, and to reasonably express it, of course, which is what you were trying to show at 1:06 – but no one can use a headline, incendiary or not, to justify or excuse abusive or insulting responses to the author.

    You were quite right. :-)

  106. TotalArsenal says:

    GN5, The point has been made now. GiE decided on the headline and there is nothing with it, or that. Why don’t you comment on the content?

  107. TotalArsenal says:

    *nothing wrong*

  108. Rasp says:

    A sanitized site would be very boring don’t you think gn5? Surely it is possible to have a spicy debate without abuse.

  109. gunnern5 says:

    Rasp,

    You know my history better than most on here and the last thing I would endorse is either sanitization or selective editing.

    TA;

    Who do you think you are you to tell me “enough is enough” ?

  110. Red Arse says:

    TA,

    Can I just say, in case anyone does not know who you are, that you are one of the best and most respected Post authors on this or any other site, and a terrific person to boot! :-)

    I did not see you write “enough is enough” so I cannot help there.

  111. 1tourettesgooner says:

    Irony, even my wife gets that, no thats ironing, thats what she gets, well she did ask for some hot action , the ironing of it, or is that irony ?. Nice shirt`s though !.

  112. Gooner In Exile says:

    Bloody ‘ell Danish Gooner, its been too long…..

    GN5 I understand where you are coming from, and I did indeed consider a “Is it Time….” phrasing of the headline, I didn’t because I wasn’t asking the question I was stating an opinion, to be honest I was unsure what kind of response it would get.

  113. allezkev says:

    Interesting view.
    Personally i think Wenger will sign another contract when his currant one expires in the summer of 2013.

  114. gunnern5 says:

    GIE;

    Strangely enough I take less offence from your headline then I do the purists viewpoints.
    But the reality is that everything boils down to “cause and effect” – The cause of the (deemed) unsavory comments is the headline the effect being the comments themselves.

    So the site erases the effect and leaves the cause in tact?

    Strange logic.

    Keep on writing – you are the least praise seeking and one of my favourite writers – even though I will not read today’s article.

    Peace be with you and yours…………

  115. John says:

    7 years dry.
    For an average club that’s acceptable. For a great club with history that’s a failure.
    Failed youth. Repeated bad buys every year. Over paid players with high wages for all.
    Stubborn tactics and formation that will never change no matter the result.
    Same subs at 68 and 82 min.
    Playing crap players like Ramsy and keeping better players benched just to prove his egoistic approach might pass.
    Arrogant greedy board that never listen to the fans.
    Inconsistent.
    Humiliating results and suddenly 4th is a trophy because people wanna forget the disastrous start caused by Wenger.
    Selling the best. Refusal to sell the worst.
    10 crap players on the bench he refuses to sell.
    Arsene will not and can not win anything anymore.
    League is more competitive and everyone will spend more.
    It’s only getting harder while he gets more desperate and stubborn !!

    Ramsy type of quality will not get you anything yet we play them!!

    We are no longer a threat. Treated as average team and our only good player might leave.

    Arsenal fans are the reason.
    Accepting all this and worshipping this old tired useless manager !!

  116. Slimgingergooner says:

    How ironic to hear people say that Wenger should have done better with the players he’s had, then others say that Guardiola is the man for us!!!! Lol

    Some of the comments on here today are hilarious :)

  117. You moderators are lucky you can write “Incendiary ” stuff as you have the “power”. I dont think I have ever “abused” anyone on here, but my “crime ” of having a sense of humour is worse in some of your opinions ( maybe all of you ). The other night was double standards when having a laugh and not talking football, where as certain people are allowed with no threat.
    ” All opinions and viewpoints can be freely expressed” ( your own rules ).

  118. Basil says:

    Double98 says:

    Man U
    Man City
    Chelsea
    Tottenham
    Liverpool
    Fulham
    Newcastle
    Sunderland
    Stoke

    Come off it all but the top 3 we should be able to compete with, we choose to reward mediocre players with enormous wages which is part of the reason we don’t spend much. I am not interested in Wenger’s model he is a football manager not an accountant, his job is to win things on the field, as time goes on the Wenger loyalists are getting fewer.. we have 2 billionaires on the board but want to do things on the cheap, Wenger should have some bollocks and demand some money instead of taking his £6m salary for the invisible top 4 cup every season.

  119. John says:

    Arsenal fans are a joke.
    Their main priority is how much better they are than spurs !!
    That’s all they care about.
    Not good enough to compete or be respected and feared as a club.
    5th richest club on earth yet always 4th in league.
    That’s called corrupt and rubbish manager of ever !!!!

  120. Red Arse says:

    GIE,

    I believed your reason for wishing AW to resign, as stated in the Post, was ironic, and not that I agreed with you. :-)

    You started with — ” the man knows more about football, players, fitness, psychology, economics and probably just about everything else in his little finger than I will learn in a lifetime.”

    And finished with — “Suddenly every fan around me in Clock End lower thought they could do a better job than Arsène” and “I hate watching football like that.”

    If that is not an ironic justification for a loyal fan wishing Arsene to resign, I do not know what would be. :-)

    Just an opinion! :-)

  121. Gooner In Exile says:

    Why don’t you tell us how you really feel John :)

    I don’t agree with much of it, I wonder who bought the better players that sit on the bench to the club.

    GN5 thank you I think it’s a shame you haven’t read the post because of the headline, I think it’ll be up your street.

  122. kelsey says:

    GLIC,

    What’s up re your 2.37p.m. post.Kindly explain what prompted that remark

    The beauty of this site is that we drift away from football sometimes,usually in the early evening and discuss anything from food,fine wines, parts of the country, music etc.

    I am not only a moderator on here but one of the original six that helped set up this site.

    You are a very funny guy but sometimes the humour is below the belt and not always appreciated by many, that’s all

    .I hope you can understand that. :)

  123. TotalArsenal says:

    RA :oops: thanks!

  124. On a different tack, who are we cheering for in the other semi final tonight ?

    Presumably whoever has a better chance of beating the Chavs, so that would be Bayern ?

    And finally, how does your paella taste today Fabregas ? Looooser !!

  125. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Gooner,

    You make some interesting observations. i believe we have the 4th or 5th highest wage bill in England, but i get your jist. You also state that there is a bigger picture than transfers alone, and again i agree with you, but i believe there is an even bigger picture than what you alluded to in your post. Take Alumina, call him a bad apple if you like, but the point is that Arsene and the Boards philosophy is based on nurturing talent and that means paying young players over the odds in the hope that they will develop and exceed that financial vaule. Is Alumina worth 50k a week? of course not. However, think of Song, Kos, etc and there you will see guys that merit pay rises. Bad apples and good apples, its all part of the philosophy and you take the rough with the smooth.

    The bottom line is to Judge Arsenes record in the envoirement he is operating. No trophies in seven years, but so far, top four for the last seven years. Is that good enough? For me it is, and the reasons are primaraly this. The move to the Grove had implications so hugh that we were scraping over every penny. it also coincided with a period were our great teams of the past were ageing and needed replacing and this had to be done by bringing in young players because this guaranteed the clubs financial future. imagine what it was like for Arsene, when he knew he had to build a team based on unproven youngsters rather than rely on the talents of people like TH14, DB10 etc. Now, to compound things, Abramovitch comes along, and lol and behold some sheiks take over Man City. Cole goes to chelsea, and bloody every one goes to city. Is that all?, no. What a lot of people dont grasp is that also in the last seven years, all football clubs have become richer. TV deals now dwarf those of a decade ago. This has meant that the premeir league has become more competitive and our Europeon rivals, mainly the big 2 from Spain have become even more powerfull.

    So when Arsene gets stick, has anyone ever thought to themselves, and GiE obviously has “How does Arsene feel”.

  126. LB says:

    ABC

    Anyone But Chelsea.

  127. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Just like to say that Cornwall is correct in what he says. Cornwall, Redders, and myself exchanged a few posts when the board was quiet and got castigated for it.

  128. Rasp says:

    I think Real have a better chance of ensuring ABC, therefore I hope they beat Bayern tonight.

    Maureen will be hell bent on stuffing Abramovich, and he understands more about playing negative football than Guardiola. He also knows a lot about most of the chavski players.

  129. RockyLives says:

    GiE
    Come on mate, don’t let them grind you down, Arsène is a great manager we don’t really want to lose him for the sake of a minority of moaners.

  130. RockyLives says:

    :D

  131. RockyLives says:

    I’m all in favour of a headline that brings in new punters to (a) read a really intelligent and passionate post and (b) introduce them to the best Arsenal site in blogland.

    Inevitably if you cast a wide net you’ll haul in some old Wellington boots along with the fish.

    The good thing about a blog is that you don’t even need to throw the Wellies back – they disappear of their own accord. But hopefully some of the finer fish decide to stick around for a while.

    Bloody hell. I’m starting to sound like Eric Cantona.

  132. Hi kelsey,
    I suppose I`m getting back to Peaches comment @ 6:41pm,April 23. It was quiet, I made about 3 comments ( 2 limericks ) and was just having a laugh, I thought I had been quite restrained since being allowed back on , but was told off again for not talking Arsenal. Redders was peed off about it as in his comment of about 7:30am the next day, he summed it up quite well, May be he recieved some sort of explaination by email or maybe nothing.
    Even when off site I was reading every day and I can say that there was still plenty of innuendo stuff going on. Chas`s “Cock song ” vid the other day was hillarious, I dont think I would have got away with it though.
    I could go on but will bore the pants off yourself , me and everyone and before you say, “this sort of stuff should be dealt with by email “, I dont agree as it should be an open forum ,ie, peaches felt free to express herself at telling us what we couldn`t talk about !.
    I`d like to know how many of my comments were below the belt, but dont bother , it could be a long list. :)

  133. RockyLives says:

    That’s it. Typical. Five thousands hits on here today and as soon as I show up everyone buggers off.

    It Canadianist, that’s what it is :(

  134. RockyLives says:

    Phew. Thanks GliC, I was getting paranoid.

  135. RockyLives says:

    And for what it’s worth GLiC, I really like you being on AA.

  136. Rasp says:

    :lol: Rocky

  137. RockyLives says:

    Some great, great comments on here today – from the regulars and from some new or less frequent visitors.

    I don’t want to name names because I’m bound to leave out someone by accident, but you lot have made me proud to be associated with this site.

    And I include those who have reservations about the post or the headline.

  138. Gooner In Exile says:

    Rocky it seems you are not alone in Canada judging by the world wide stats (either that or you click an awful lot!), although I am intrigued to know who is viewing us from Iceland…..my guess is Usmanov has built a spy station in the base of one of the Volcanoes and is waiting for the blog moods to sink to new lows before coming in to launch his saving bid.

  139. Red Arse says:

    Hi Glic, Terry:-)

    Kelsey has it right. Glic, you are one of the wittiest guys on here, and many find you extremely funny.

    You know I like chewing the fat on here with you and TerryM, about everything, and especially Terry’s fulminations on the Arsenal hierarchy, but on mulling over what was said a couple of days ago, I realised it is easy for us to get carried away doing the ‘telescope’ stuff.

    I would not want to intentionally offend any of my other friends on here, and I am sure you guys don’t either, so if we steer clear of some of the more ‘male’ humour I suspect we will all be happy, and you can let rip with some of your zany quips and hilarious observations. :-)
    [Incidentally, I am surprised that my thesis on "Mob Mentality" hasn't been hit by a moderator, too!] :-)

    Interesting word ‘moderator’, I would have thought Randy Daddy Big Boots, for instance, would have been a ‘rockerator’. :-)

  140. Rasp says:

    Just for the record GiE, did you intend today’s post to be taken literally?

  141. I see your point there Raspers – Maureen will be doubly keen to put one over Abramovich’s rent boys as revenge for him being ousted at Chavski years ago.

    Plus Bayern don’t look that good to me, Ribery is a tad unreliable and Robben always seems to be just a short sprint away from a hammy tweak.

    So, I’ll be a Madrista tonight, but only for “ABC” purposes.

  142. Rasp says:

    Excellent chary, I am a fully subscribed member of LB’s ABC club for tonight at least.

  143. Red Arse says:

    Sorry, Rocky, I only liked you because I thought you WERE Eric Cantona!!

    Our relationship is over, you beast.

    I’m really upset — I just hope no one tells me TA is Dutch — that would finish me off!

  144. kelsey says:

    GLIC,
    I can’t answer for either peaches or Rasp, and it is not my place to do so.

    The site is just over two years old and growing, attracts all sorts of people,different age groups, from different countries and we all have a different way of expressing ourselves and as has ben said before the written word can easily be misunderstood as opposed to having a face to face discussion with someone.

    I think you answered yourself in your last paragraph :)

    I love this site and get extremely jealous that so many of you can actually meet up and go to games. I wont expand on that but I assure you it is not just a question of living abroad.

    I really don’t think there is one rule for one and one for another. We all have our moments when what might might appear to be crude ,creeps into a post or video, but generally the blog runs nearly on auto pilot.

    Both peaches and Rasp who do most of the work behind the scenes and are inandated with countless e mails, haven’t always got the time to be here 24/7..

    My advice for what it’s worth is just post as you wish but perhaps tone down some of the toilet humour :)

    Of course being an old man, i may be totally out of touch with things today..

  145. RockyLives says:

    I would kung fu kick you in the chest Redders, but I suspect I’d need a step ladder :)

  146. Red Arse says:

    I have always had a visceral dislike of Mad Maureen, both because of his arrogance, rudeness and messianic self belief, but also his incredible, money bought achievements. Oh, OK he is a great manager too ——- I suppose! [that hurt] :-(

    But deep down I have been jealous that he seems to have some svengali like power over wimmin! They all seem to find him a sexy beast – the b*stard…………….BUT —–

    But, but, I saw him on TV recently, and he is losing his hair!! – :-) definitely balding on top – like Terry — AND!!!!! he has gone grey!!! :-)

    Yippeee — Kelsey and I are back in with a chance!! :-)

  147. jnyc says:

    As a, sort of new gunner, i look at this summer as a real test of the team and wenger.
    — Last summer was a disaster as far as how it was handled, not a disaster after all, because i like merts, santos, arteta, yossi. I also think gervinho has skills and will show them, and should forget africa for us next year. and i am happy with the sale of nasri. I see him as an amazing example of skills, who produces very little impact on a match, over rated, and 25 mil for him was great business.
    —BUT, we waited too long to add talent, and i believe from arsenes comments that there were reasons, maybe beyond his control. If he ever writes a book, we will know the truth. But he is too loyal to tell us now.
    —-this summer, we will know if we as a franchise learned from those mistakes, and tie up business,( buys and sales,) quickly. –
    —–i love arsene, but i must admit, if he really wanted to make the mata thing happen, he could have pushed it through, and i believed then, and now that mata was what we need as a creative midfielder, and he was perfect for our style of play. He wouldve been even better for us than chelsea.
    –but i am optimistic that we did learn something, and will try to improve seriously. And i love the talent we have in our squad and i do believe the future is bright. But this summer is vital to get done right.

  148. Big Raddy says:

    ABC. Could be one of the world’s most popular clubs.

    LB. You are on fire today.

    I am supporting Bayern tonight. RM are the Spanish Oilers. Plus I can’t support any team with Pepe in it (unless they are playing CHelsea)

  149. Hi Big Randy, surely Madrid have a better chance of beating the Chavs than Bayern ?

    Needs must and all that.

  150. Red Arse says:

    You would not need to Rockadillo, a puff of your rugged Canadian ex-pat cheeks would do the job!! :-)

    I hope I haven’t frightened off that stalwart Gooner In Exile with my beautifully logical 2:39. I was expecting a battle of the giants with him having at me, and tickling me with his accounting IMac before dodging my Principles of Accounting Almanac! Pity!! :-)

    TA, I speak as I find, and I meant every word about you —- well, accept for the Dutch prime Minister bit yesterday!! :-)

  151. Rasp says:

    Hi jnyc, I have said before that I would love to read AW’s autobiography one day to finally get to the truth behind ‘project youth’, the David Dein saga, the transfer policy and truth about how much money was really available to him. – but I’m pretty sure it will never be written

  152. Red Arse says:

    “except” not “accept” durrrrr………you will have to teach me English, as well!! :-)

  153. RockyLives says:

    Redders
    Funny you should say that about Moanhio.
    I know lots of women who fancied the pants off him when he was at Chelsea.
    But, like you, I saw him doing a press conference the other day and experienced a certain (probably pathetic) sense of schadenfreude in noticing that he was not looking his best.

  154. RockyLives says:

    jnyc @3.52
    I agree with every word of that.
    And I really believe we (he) will have learned from last summer’s failings.
    In fact, I think that goes for Stan too. Last summer was his first since gaining overall control of the club and I suspect it was part of a learning curve for him. But I have no doubt he is a quick learner.

  155. robbinURpersie says:

    1tourettesgooner says:
    April 25, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Irony, even my wife gets that, no thats ironing, thats what she gets, well she did ask for some hot action , the ironing of it, or is that irony ?. Nice shirt`s though !.

    comment of the day (non football)

    @GLIC or GoGLIC

    i was hanging around yesterday and was evesdropping (in a virtual sense) on the conversation between yourself, merry terry and redders.. long story short, i also evesdropped on the whole politics talk later which had nothing to do with football and i have to say im in your corner mate..its double standards and its wrong in every sense..i empathise with your frustration, but please dont let that frustration get to you to the point where you may snap..i mean, look what happened to ‘twitchy’….its NOT Triffic :-)

  156. Big Raddy says:

    Chary. True. However, it is my belief both teams can beat Chelsea and the idea of Moaninho winning the Double this year plus being the first manager ever to win the CL with 3 clubs is a distressing thought.

    That said, RM are playing some fantastic football this year and could easily put as many past the Chavs as we did :-)

  157. Gooner In Exile says:

    Rasp, I was going for irony with a touch of truth, but also thought it was reasonable to have the debate.

    In reality I had the post in mind but didn’t want to write it until Arsene and the team had actually achieved 3rd place but as the cupboard was bare I put it to print last night.

    My first intention was for the post to be literal, as TA said a love letter to protect Arsene and me from having to put up with it anymore. But my heart couldn’t write it that way, I know he is still the best man for the job, and as Rocky says why give in to the minority and forsake what could be a glorious season in 2012-13. So I twisted it slightly to a more ironic slant.

  158. Red Arse says:

    JNYC,

    Another good, intelligent assessment, and I cannot fault your reasoning.

    I think the Gerv needs to be sent on a body building course (a la Kozzer) to strengthen him up and give him more staying power.

    I am also a little disappointed with the rationale for buying Park? Did Arsene trust Grimandi and buy Park ‘blind’? If so that does not sound like the normally meticulous AW, and smacks a bit of “we can’t get rid of Chamakh – so let’s buy Park and hope we can rotate him with RVP”.

    Who knows?

  159. Big Raddy says:

    Mrs. Raddy thinks Jose is too short. I agree as I am sure RA will.

  160. The Rock – I have a close female friend who almost salivates at the mention of Maureen and she has no interest in footy at all, despite my best attempts at converting her to the ways of the Gooner.

    She can vouch for the fact that her view of Maureen is by no means uncommon.

    The git.

  161. evonne says:

    John @ 2:37 – this is an Arsenal site, why do you talk about other clubs?

    Rocky – are you the only Gunner in Canada?

    GiE – you bloody trouble maker! I have not seen so much poo on this site since manu game just before our season started

    Chary – cheer for Maureen 2night, he’s the man to bring Chelsea down to earth, hopefully with a thump

  162. Red Arse says:

    Glic/MerryT, where have you gone? :-)

    Did I tell you about the trainee nurse? Sheeesh!!!

  163. Rasp says:

    robinURp, please read kelsey’s @ 3:43. This is all supposed to be dealt with behind the scenes but for some reason others keep trawling it back up.

  164. kelsey says:

    Well down here a mere 6 hour drive away from Madrid, 99% of football fans support Real, and absolutely detest Barca which to them represents another country. All the restaurants and bars (that are still in business) will be jam backed tonight with every available space taken.

  165. Hi Evonne, I’m hoping Maureen will be out for revenge in the final – think how happy he will be to stop Abramovich from getting his hands on the European Cup.

  166. Rasp says:

    Thanks GiE, I’m relieved. For a minute I thought I may have misrepresented your intentions.

  167. Big Raddy says:

    RA. I wrote about Park yesterday. His signing remains a mystery.

    Thinking of Grimandi, his fellow Frenchman Remi Garde could be in the frame as the next AFC manager. He is much respected at Arsenal and his Lyon side are starting to gel. Should they improve over the next couple of seasons, he will be a front-runner.

  168. Red Arse says:

    Thanks for reminding Daddy Big Boots (and Mrs Raddy too).

    Yes, Mad Maureen is a short arsed megalomaniac with little hair, no footie knowledge and an ‘orrible man. (I am being seriously affected by CharyB’s love affair with Sir Purple Nose).

    Listen (this is a secret — tell no one) but there is a little bit of me that would not mind — oh, goodness this is beginning to sound rude — but no, I would not mind – maybe – perhaps – sort of – if he managed the Mighty Arsenal at some time in the future, then we would find out if he can do the business with very little money.

    It’s a ‘win/win’ — if he does, he will be my hero, if he does not – I can join the doomers and groaners without any sense of guilt! Genius!! :-)

  169. Rasp says:

    Hi Raddy, that would be another very interesting chapter in AW’s autobiography. Was he the driving force behind signing DB10, AA, Park?

  170. Gooner says:

    Terry,

    I fully appreciate your point and believe me I do take it on board because we are driven by the same ambition…

    But Jack Wilshere apart who are we developing? Woijiech, Koscielny, AOC, I will agree with but Song is the reason Wenger won’t change his system because Song can’t play in a 4-4-2 as he lacks pace and agility. Walcott has been developed but isn’t good enough, Ramsey I feel for because I think he is better than he is showing and will be a better player next season. Gibbs isn’t good enough defensively nor able to play 7-8 games in succession.

    Who are we developing? Who has come through Arsenal’s ‘World famous’ Academy?

    The great teams were developed when Arsenal’s (or Arsene’s) scouting network was the best in the country. Since then we have been matched and passed by just about every club in the top 8. Why and how has that happened? Because the Club has stood still in some departments. Not with the ground, not with it’s financial situation but where it matters – on the pitch and how to implement what goes onto the pitch.

    I am not talking about a new training ground 12 years ago, I am talking about implementation within the last 5 years with coaching and scouting.

    When did we last get a new coach? These players go into work every day to be told how great there are, blah, blah, blah, they hear the same shit, every week of every month of every year for the last decade – it needs freshening up, Arsenal is stale, it’s too cosy, everyone is in their comfort zone.

    Remember this is the same manager that played Chelsea in the Carling Cup Final and sold us the future. His team that day?

    Almunia, Hoyte, Toure, Senderos, Traore (Eboue 66), Walcott, Fabregas, Denilson, Diaby (Hleb 68), Aliadiere (Adebayor 80), Julio Baptista.

    Development is an over used word by Arsene Wenger who doesn’t trust anyone into his secret circle – but at the end of the day it is a football club not MI5! Why would Wenger not freshen his under performing back-room staff up?

    Like I say I am driven by the same ambition as you but I don’t like what I hear or see happening at any level of Arsenal Football Club!

  171. Sounds a cunning plan to me Redders, I love a “win-win” more than the next man.

    It will be hard to cheer Maureen on though, after the mean things he said about our manager in the past.

  172. evonne says:

    Raddy – Jose is too short for what exactly?

    I had a sneaky peak at some Chavvy sites, blimey, you’d think they have already won the CL. Mind you, reluctantly I have to admit that it was a great achievement on their part last night. The best scorer in the world could not score and the one that cannot score to save his life has a terrific goal. This is all wrong

    Are we witnessing the beginning of the end of the great Barca? Only Wenger could put them back on track. Can you just imagine the side they could be with his genius?? Phew…just as well he’s ours. Forever.

  173. Red Arse says:

    Raddy Rockerator,

    I normally hang on your every word. Except yesterday was not one of my better one’s and I confess I was not as diligent in my reading of the comments on the site. Sorry! :-)

    Anyway, even if I had, I would have remorselessly pinched any suitable ideas from you, including the Park story, and presented it as an original RA theme! :-)

  174. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp. AW’s autobiography would be a tremendous read, but he would never tell the real truth. He is too much of a gentleman.

    DB10 was just a little early wasn’t he? Unless DD had AW in mind whilst Rioch was manager, which is highly likely.

  175. evonne says:

    Gooner – Frimpong is my fav, but I will the answer to the author, he knows best, stays to watch reserves

  176. Rasp says:

    Raddy, I’ve heard a story that Rioch was told to buy DB10 by DD on the advice of AW who was already being cultivated as next manager – but that could well be horlicks

  177. robbinURpersie says:

    Merry Terry @ 12.40pm,
    thanks champ, i agree, theres always room for self improvement if you allow for it..that means using our ears and eyes more than our mouths..and i agree a CL title next season might suprise many…NOT ME (RvP is key)

    Total @ 12.02pm,
    kind words..thank you..i do feel a tad guilty in your company though..in regards to Rambo, but if you dont mind we’l talk bout that one another day when its really quiet on here, to cut it short i apologise for any irrational comments i made that may or may not have offended you..

    by the way i want Bayern to win tonight, its who i chose on that spreadsheet thingamajig that Total thought up for a post :-)

    i also think chel$ki has no chance against either team, too many suspended..

    IMO Bayern at home in a final will be too strong for anybody, their 12th man is one of the strongest in world football. But of course they must beat the madridstas and thats no easy feat..i just dont like the spotlight on Jose or Chelsea, leave the romance at home and have a decent final where Bayern pinch it from the chavs 4-0 :-)

  178. Big Raddy says:

    evonne. 8)

    RA. Sorry to read of your difficulties. Must be good to know that you have the AA crew to relieve some of the ennui

  179. Rasp says:

    Coquelin is a rising star surely. He’s been with us 2 or 3 years now I believe.

  180. evonne says:

    Raddy – I know something about Wenger that only 2 other people know, and it is the funniest story I have ever heard.

  181. TotalArsenal says:

    I am, once again, with Raddy about tonight’s game.

    I am a romantic and would like Bayern to win with proper footie tonight. RM will have to score to win it but they will take it easy and play safe. I would hate it if Mourinho succeeds in getting through with a 1-0 win tonight, but it would not surprise me if they did.

    The good thing about Bayern is that they have classical weapons to beat RM. Good, old fashioned, fast wingers, tall centre forwards and players who can score a goal from distance. They are not that dissimilar from RM and they could hurt them tonight. Wouldn’t that be lovely? :)

    After that, I would like the Chavs also to get beaten by proper footie, but I agree with most here that Maureen is more likely to beat the them in the final. but the thought of either the Chavs or Maureen winning the CL is a sickening/repulsive one. So it has to be Bayern tonight. :)

  182. Red Arse says:

    Before I depart this vale of tears, can I make my only comment on the Chavs success last night.

    I think that however the media present it, and much tho’ I dislike the way Barca go about their business, the result last night was a travesty for football.

    If that 6:3 tactic (6:4 when Terry was still there and kicking) became the ‘norm’, I for one would re-discover my love for some other even more arcane sport, and give football a miss. Seriously.

    Apart from that wonderful, nay brilliant, Ramires goal the game was tedious and marked by Barca’s nadir in falling off the cliff face with their inability to convert any of their chances when they had 84% possession.

    Whisper it quietly, but Barca looked like Arsenal have, on a number of occasions, when battering poor opposition and falling to a sucker punch. Yeuk!!!

    Ta ra. :-)

  183. Gooner says:

    evonne – what do you mean he stays to watch reserves? What does that mean?

  184. TotalArsenal says:

    OK RurP, no worries! :)

  185. evonne says:

    Gooner – sorry, GiE stays after ‘regular’ games to watch reserves. I cannot remember which game it was, but it was a long afternoon at the Ems and we all wanted to go home. But not GiE, he stayed and watched the youngsters; he takes great interest in their development and is an authority on the subject amongst us

  186. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Gooner,

    I dont doubt your motivation for a second. I look at the development of players slightly different to you. I think the days of young players coming through the youth system on mass, like the 1989 team, are over. its a global game now, and players tend to be identified at the ages of 16-21, and ime sure you would agree that at those ages players are no were near there peak, and then hopefully developed to maturity.

    The main problem for me is that we have lost to many players, ie. Cesc, Nasri, Flamini, Adeybarndoor, to ever see our plans reach fruition. Your a great poster by the way and should visit this site more often, plenty of good debate hear.

  187. Red Arse says:

    Raddy,

    @ 5:26, Yes, it is always good to get back into AA. [Rasp is paying me by the comment — about 1,000,998 so far — he now owes me 5p and your geetar! :-)

    Hi RurP, forgot to say how much I enjoy watching you fight your corner. :-)

    Gone again.

  188. Red Arse says:

    That was 4:26 Raddy, but I guess you worked that out!! :-)

  189. robbinURpersie says:

    hi Redders,

    you say your gone again but really…your not..
    youve got the eagle eye and your currently in stealth mode :-)

    how have you been?

  190. robbinURpersie says:

    Rocky,

    if your around i just wanted to ask- “was it you who wrote a post or posed a question as to whether Arsene Wenger would ever win silverware with Arsenal?”

    it would have been a while back, but im sure many peoples answers and views will have changed from that day (maybe mine included)..

    curiousity killed the cat…..

  191. Gooner In Exile says:

    Wooooaahhh no authority on the subject of the youngsters, but yes i do like to see them develop, and watch when i can live or on Arsenal player.

    For me out of the next lot of players these are ones I think will do well – Ozyakup, Yennaris, Meade (5ft 2 left back), Afobe, Ansah.

    Plus there is Miquel already knocking on the door.

    As for who we have produced in recent years it maybe hasn’t gone to plan as fully as some would like, but Wilshere, Frimpong, Gibbs, Coquelin, Song is not a bad start, altho admittedly Song arrived later at 18 and Coquelin at 17.

    Plus there is still the chance Bartley will come back to play centre back for us (he is still only 20 and has had two good years on loan at Rangers), Lansbury and a few others that may yet shine.

    Then we have the dreaded local travelling rule which looks set to vanish next season under the new scheme of academy development which hampers from how far you can get players, basically we are fishing the same pool with Spurs, Chelsea, Fulham, West Ham etc.

    Realistically how many youngsters can one club develop through to the first team in the era of “want it now”?

    Take Frimpong he is coming up behind Song and some would guess going for the same position, as much as he loves the club just how long will he be prepared to sit on the bench waiting for Song to move on or get his chance? Song is 24, could play for us till his 30, by that time Frimpong is 26 with only a handful of covering games under his belt. And by the time he reaches 26 the next 22 year old has come through and is better, Frimpong’s ship has sailed and he has never had the chance to show what he can do. Or does he move on if Song signs a new contract.

    Just because not every player makes it to the first team it does not mean we are not producing the talent.

  192. robbinURpersie says:

    *with Arsenal again*

  193. Red Arse says:

    RurP,

    Not bad in the circumstances thanks — could do with a bit of that Aussie sunshine tho’.

    Hope you are keeping well!

    I keep being lured back! :-)

    Maybe I will get a chance to chat later on – if I can stay awake — or more to the point – if you can — when the Madrid game comes on, otherwise catch you tomorrow! :-)

  194. evonne says:

    Gooner – see what I mean :)

  195. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Evonne,
    I was with you, GiE and Peaches that day (reserve game v Chav Juniors), and as I remember you nearly started a riot :-)

  196. RockyLives says:

    RurP your 4.52
    It rings a bell, but I don’t think it was one of mine… has anyone with a better memory than me got any idea?

  197. evonne says:

    Micky – what riot?? Did you try to snog me?

  198. MickyDidIt89 says:

    As for tonight’s game…mmmmmm. Some good cases being made for both Bayern and Real in terms of ability to sink Chavs. As a team/manager combo, then Real edge it for me, but TA’s home supporter/12th man deal works as well.

  199. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Evonne,
    Obviously.
    Putting that aside for the moment, I think you had a go at someone in the shop for some Spudly sounds.

  200. Gooner In Exile says:

    She definitely did that Micky …… I was there!

  201. robbinURpersie says:

    Hi Micky,

    Total is the romantic with the classic wingers and tall centre forward, im the 12th man man :-)

  202. evonne says:

    Micky – Adele!! of course! you have good memory young man :)

    I didn’t see TA’s comment about Bayern playing at the finals at home, hm, puts a spanner in the works….no, I still think Maureen is the man to do the Chavs over

  203. kelsey – what’s the weather forecast at you for the weekend please ;)

  204. evonne says:

    GiE – actually, I was surprised you didn’t step in to help me :) Playing Adele-the-Tottenham-Big-Fat fan in an Arsenal shop, full blast! How outrageous was that?? What’s next, Blue Moon or Forever blowing fecking bubbles?

  205. evonne says:

    Peaches – why? you are not going anywhere, you have a sick grandson to look after. And a VERY important game

  206. MickyDidIt89 says:

    rURp,
    Very sorry. Credit where due and all that. You make a great point and TA does not :-)

  207. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Evonne,
    Wasn’t GiE outside with me have a swift smoke?

  208. robbinURpersie says:

    micky, lol :-)

    sorry for being petty, but i do like my 2 seconds in the sun

  209. herbsarmy says:

    Hi everyone.
    A very brave and well-written article Gooner in Exile, on a very emotional subject, that is causing a great divide amongst the Arsenal faithful.
    I tried unsuccessfully to write something based on the difference between our major trophies and those of MU and Liverpool.
    In the summer of 1976, Liverpool overtook us with their 9th League title and their 2nd UEFA Cup, we had 8 titles and a UEFA Cup. Liverpool were on the cusp of dominating domestic football, and we went for Terry Neill when Bobby Robson would have been a better choice. Neill did ok, but couldn’t respond to their threat.
    1986 has to go down as a huge land-mark in our history.
    A lot of emotional hatred has its roots set in jealousy, and I know a lot of Arsenal fans are veciferous in their opinion of Alex Ferguson, but the truth is that he agreed terms with Arsenal. The BoD refused to wait for Scotland’s World Cup exit, and went with George Graham, who, with his playing connections and being a part of the 1970-71 ‘Double’ winning side, appeared the perfect choice. And he delivered. He gave us the most monumental night in our recent history, at Anfield in 1989. But just as Graham’s stock was on the wane SAF was on the rise, and his achievements were blighted by his greed.
    As with the comparison with Liverpool in 1976, MU won their 8th title in 1993. And since then they have been allowed to race away from us without us launching a real response.
    We are the only club in the top five of Forbes’ Football Club Rich List without a European Cup, and the other four have won it multiple times.
    I think personally we’ve under-achieved if you take into account our history and our stature. Whether or not Arsene Wenger remains the man to take Arsenal forward depends on how every individual measures success. A changing of the guard is always fraught with fear, but does AW still have the tactical nous to compete with the elite? It has been a while since he has won anything, and even though he has 15 consecutive years of CL qualification, he has never seriously threatened to win it apart from the gut-wrenching losing final of 2006.
    I’m proud to be an Arsenal die-hard, and love our footballing philosophy, but It needs to be complimented with a winning never-say-die attitude, and for too long we have lacked that ruthless mentality.
    Football is tribal war-fare, and to the victor go the spoils.

  210. robbinURpersie says:

    Does Arsene Wenger still have the tactical nous? hmmm

    did we not beat Barcelona when many were saying they were unbeatable on their way to winning the CL?

    did we not beat 300mil worth of SHITty?

    shall i keep going…

  211. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Greetings Herb.

    I agree with so much you say. Football is tribal, and i was genuinly upset about Chelsea reaching the final. When spurs got to the quarters i was literaly having nightmares, talking in my sleep and very iratible during the day. To much i know, but i cant help how i feel.

    On the subject of Arsene however i view it like this. If a new manager comes in and is fortuniate enough to claim champions league glory, a lot if not most of the foundations will have been laid by Wenger. Ferguson is a great manager but Busby took the club to another level. An even better example is Shankly laying the foundations for Paislys success. Great clubs tend to have chains of great managers that lay the foundations for there succesors, and that is what Arsene is doing, His work is unfinnished, and been the inteligent man that he is, he will know when to make way for the next man who will have the privelage and honour of managing a fabulous club like The Arsenal

  212. herbsarmy says:

    It’s too easy to throw one-off results about, anyone can do that. We beat Chelsea 5-3 at Stamford Bridge, yet there they are in their second CL Final, with a golden opportunity to usurp us and become London’s first CL winners.
    It’s what ambitious clubs do.
    Hi Terry, hope all is well with you, sir.

  213. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Thanks Herb, its good to see you back.

  214. Irishgunner says:

    Evening all,

    GIE – top post. I’ve always firmly been supportive of Wenger – that’s not to say I haven’t shouted at the tv at him to sort it out during games, and on the odd occasion I get to the Emirates I’m too busy trying to be supportive than to heckle my own players – yes, MY players.

    I don’t hate Cesc but I’m sick to my teeth of people still droning on about him. We gave him the opportunity to make him the player he is today, then he fucked off and left us in the search of easy trophies and didn’t have the balls to admit it. Fantastic player but I’ll not remember him as fondly as an Henry, Vieira etc.,

  215. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Evening Irish,

    Your spot on. Its time to forget about Cesc and all the other players that jumped ship. This an important period for the club, lets try and keep this current squad together, maybe add one or two, and go for the big prizes next season

  216. Big Raddy says:

    Herb. Great to see you back. I wondered who the 3 Charlie’s were (good name)

  217. evonne says:

    Irish and Terry – no, nay, never! He will leave in my heart forever

  218. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Evonne hehehe. I like him to, he seems like a nice lad.

  219. sam says:

    i have no problem with signing new players, in my opinion i dont think we need that many new signings i have problem with his selections and philosophy thats costing us points every season.
    certain players shouldn’t be in the starting line-up but he stubbornly insisted on them all seasons and i am sure he will repeat the same rubbish next season and we will be struggling for top 4 place again.
    i like arsene wenger but mismanagement/ carelessness is a sackable offence in any workplace.

  220. Big Raddy says:

    Herb. Re: Your very interesting comment 5.55.

    How does one judge success? Difficult but like you I have been a Gooner for decades and I can recall us being a club which promised much but didn’t achieve.

    To compare the club I fell in love with to the International conglomerate at The Emirates is impossible, they are fish and foul. The only thing they have in common is the name and that they play football …….

    Actually, this is a fine idea for a post …… more later

  221. Irishgunner says:

    Terry – Exactly.

    Evonne – Each to their own, but this “if only we had Cesc” shite is beginning to get boring (not saying that to you but the general malaise among a lot of fans). We don’t have him, time to move on. We’ve two fine players in the mold in the shape of Arteta and Wilshere, we need them fit.

    And to be honest, and I said it back at the time, I’d see Fabregas dropping his head on the pitch when we’d go behind and just lumber around the place with a puss on him instead of putting his body on the line, and I’m not saying that in hindsight. Cos hell, this is the same woman who actually commends Nasri that little bit for actually playing until he was officially sold unlike DNA boy.

  222. evonne says:

    Irish – I know what you mean. No, I am not in the ‘IF’ brigade, that’s nonsense, no point living in the past. I just treasure memories of his brilliance, seeing him on the pitch, scoring, celebrating, first game, the sweet baby face….can’t help it.
    But you are right about him walking around the pitch with a puss :)

  223. Jasmin says:

    I am from Bosnia.I watch every game.I envy you people who can go to the Emirates and watch our beloved football club.But i freaking hate you and your stupid comments.15 Consecutive years in champions league, and there is more to come and I bet Arsene will bring Arsenal to play more champions leagues that all our managers before together.Yet our fans suck ass.We love you Arsenal We do, and by far the greatest team + He scores when he wants.There is no fucking atmosphere.Why can’t u make it like versus MIlan when u fucking scared them and lifted our team beyond anything I ever saw..Make every game like that and we will hardly lose.You should be grateful for having the opportunity,I would love to sing.chant.cheer,boo for my team.

    We are the greatest family club,loving,amazing,total football, our fans should respect MR Senyor Football Professor Wenger and our players :).

    Regards Jasmin(Male not female :P)

  224. Irishgunner says:

    Ha ha Evonne.

    Forgot to add – I hope Bayern win it outright, they will cause Chelsea plenty of problems – Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Robben, Ribery (even though Ribery punched Robben in the face last week), Muller, Gomez … however, as my Chav supporting friend pointed out, Bayern have SEVEN players in danger of picking up a suspension tonight.

    Don’t mind if Madrid go through though as long as whoever wins tonight beat the Chavs in the final.

  225. robbinURpersie says:

    “if only we had Paulo Maldini” ;-)

  226. robbinURpersie says:

    hey Jasmin,

    where abouts from Bosna are you from?

  227. Jasmin says:

    I am from Sarajevo the capital

  228. robbinURpersie says:

    hi Irish,

    chel$ki have four players suspended for the final (Terry, Ivanovic,Ramires and Mikel(i think)), and a possible long term hamstring injury to Cahill with Luiz already on the sideline..

    thats a strong backline, might have to play Drogba at centre half…

    trust me they have NO CHANCE

    c’mon Bayern Munchen

  229. Irishgunner says:

    Touche Robbin :lol:

  230. RockyLives says:

    Jasmin
    If ever you get to visit England and go to a game, you should go with the author of today’s post.

    GiE is the loudest, most big-hearted supporter in the whole stadium.

  231. Irishgunner says:

    Yeah I know Chelsea have a lot out Robbin, my mate was just showing Bayern could be equally short of first team players.

  232. Jasmin says:

    My dream is to visit Emirates :)

  233. robbinURpersie says:

    Jasmin,

    beautiful place Bosna..my mother is from Sanski Most..

    interesting points you make about atmosphere at the emirates

  234. evonne says:

    Jasmin – why can’t you go to games? I know guys from Canada, Denmark, Ireland, Poland, France, Cornwall and even from Norwich travelling to watch their beloved team. what’s your excuse? Get on the plane and support your club, rather than pointing a finger at others

    I bet it takes Chas and brothers longer to get to London than it would take Jasmin to fly from Sarajevo

  235. Jasmin says:

    That is why it is important not to underestimate that u are able to watch the games live, to be there because they are many fans like myself that do not have the opportunity.When I see our team struggling and our fans not backing us up i go nuts :D

  236. robbinURpersie says:

    Irish,

    fair enough, but i believe the chavs have too much on their plate..

    do you think they will take a relaxed approach in the FA cup final against pool, now that theyve made the CL final?

  237. Big Raddy says:

    Jasmin. Welcome. You are the first Gooner from Bosnia to write on the site.

    It is great to have Gooners from all over the world, You write very good English.

  238. evonne says:

    Raddy – my mate Ermedin wrote here before, he is from Bosnia

  239. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Jasmin,
    Do you watch games with other Gunners?

  240. Irishgunner says:

    Robbin – Not at all, can’t be putting all their eggs in one basket, plus they have those 4 players available for the FA Cup who won’t get to play in the CL Final.

  241. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Irish/Robbin,
    I think Chavs have the no small matter of the Toon game just before the FAC. That could decide their top four status (depending on CL Final of course).

  242. Irishgunner says:

    Big game that MIDI – Chavs can’t be thinking they have the CL won, they need to go for 4th as well.

  243. Big Raddy says:

    One game at a time Micky

    Beat the Orcs and we are in the driving seat

  244. robbinURpersie says:

    Irish, good point

    Micky, i think they’ve given up on top 4, they might just cruise along, their fixture list is too congested

  245. Big Raddy says:

    Bent ref in Spain. No surprise

  246. Irishgunner says:

    Shocking call be the ref – never a penalty

  247. MickyDidIt89 says:

    BR,
    Identity crisis? Randy,Daddy? Who are yer?

  248. robbinURpersie says:

    there goes one of those bayern players irish..6 to go

    i loathe madrid

  249. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Bloody hell. Its started? Woz up? Sending off?

  250. Irishgunner says:

    Robben goes all Fernando Torres there (prior to last night :lol: )

  251. Big Raddy says:

    Weird to be discussing the Barcodes as serious rivals.

  252. robbinURpersie says:

    Robben missed a sitter like that against Dortmund for the title..poor form buddy!

  253. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Nite all.

  254. Hi Jasmin, You wont be disappointed, It took my breath away on my first visit !.

    I will probably get slaughtered for this, but I cant help feeling that what the chavs did last night was amazing, I know like City ,we think they are a load of mercenary`s, yes they had enormous luck but It was like the Alamo , backs to the wall stuff.
    Over two legs they only had 20% possession, 4 shots on target, 2 goals down with their team leader sent off, against the so called best team in the world, 95,000 baying fans, talk about being chucked into the lions den, unbelievable stuff. I think they deserve some credit, If that was us, how proud would we feel ?.
    I have an horrible feeling they are fated to win it and we get 4th, so come on Arsenal, let us show some of that bodies on the line for our next 3 games, our opponents have nothing to play for, lets show them we have, abit of what they had last night will get us there !.

    Now you can kill me, but be gentle , I have an headache.

  255. Irishgunner says:

    Robbin – terrible call for the penalty and the young lad misses the final if they make it, and what does he do? Goes by 3 Madrid players and sets it up on a plate for Robben… he’s trying so hard to get them back into it.

    BR – Credit to them though, some very smart buys too, Cabaye, Ba, Cisse.

  256. Big Raddy says:

    Too late for you Micky?

  257. Big Raddy says:

    Glic. Unfortunately i agree with you. Chavs were suprb last night and Ramirez is a brilliant player..

    All the more reason to hate them

  258. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Wanted to watch game Daddy, but onlinefooty down. What’s going on?

  259. Big Raddy says:

    Refresh in 2 mins. Working for me.

  260. robbinURpersie says:

    night Micky

  261. Yes Raddy, I still hate them more than ever ! :)

  262. robbinURpersie says:

    Glic,

    can you imagine the Arsenal with only 20% posession over two legs in any tie? haha, id have to look at our team sheet to make sure Arsene Wenger was still at the helm

  263. evonne says:

    Glic – I thought the Chavs did well and begrudgingly I said ‘fair play to them’. Except for JT they deserved to win

    DidIt – the game is on ITV, is Mrs DidIt watching Coronation Street ?

  264. Irishgunner says:

    Far better game this – 2 good footballing sides, not so good at defending but no parking of the bus.

    Casillas nearly had that.

  265. robbinURpersie says:

    this could end up a classsic

  266. Big Raddy says:

    Super game. BM could use a decent CB. Merts?

  267. robbinURpersie says:

    NOOO Raddy, they can have Kompany

  268. goonermichael says:

    how much better is this than the shit last night?

  269. robbinURpersie says:

    could have been 6 goals already..crazy stuff

  270. Big Raddy says:

    Robbin. Much better call!

  271. robbin,,
    With that sort of possession, I`d have to look at the team sheet to make sure Arsene wasn`t on it ! :)
    e va va vonne,
    What can you expect from a numbskull like JT !

  272. Irishgunner says:

    Ozil has something like 27 assists this season O_O that is a picture of my surprise, those are Ozil’s eyes O_O

  273. goonermichael says:

    Either of these teams will slaughter the chavs. We’ll get 3rd.

  274. Irishgunner says:

    GM – yup, should happen imo :)

  275. goonermichael says:

    Who will win? I’m going for Bayern. I think they will score again. Then smash the scummy chavs at their home ground

  276. robbinURpersie says:

    GLiC :-) hed do a better job than Park(my arse on the bench)

    Irish @8.25pm LMFAO :-)

  277. Big Raddy says:

    Robben trained in the Chelsea school of diving

  278. robbinURpersie says:

    we desperately need video technology…that was a handball

  279. Rasp says:

    What a shame we haven’t got a player who can make those pinpoint diagonal crossfield passes like Alonso.

  280. robbinURpersie says:

    Im thinking of buying a pet chameleon, painting him white and calling him Ozil

  281. robbinURpersie says:

    anyone dare to make a prediction on how this game will end?

  282. Gooner says:

    Ozyakup – lacks pace and won’t play in the PL.
    Yennaris – Will be an Arsenal player.
    Meade – physically won’t be able to compete in the PL
    Afobe – has a chance.
    Ansah – a little bit flash for my liking, not sure on his final ball either.

    But my concern is the running of the Club. Not financially but the structure and how we never bring new staff in to freshen it up.

    Who is Arsene Wenger accountable to?

    He has a job for life – win the Premier League = job for life.

    Fourth place = a job for life.

    Relegation = a job for life.

    No other Club in the world has a manager who has a job for Life, what makes Arsenal different?

    Because from The Board down the are all in their comfort zone without really trying to push on.

    Did Wenger really think Mertersaker is better than Cahill?

    Arsenal fans pay the highest ticket price in World Football. World Football. Do we really deserve a Development Project again after 3 previous one’s failed?

  283. evonne says:

    Rasp – we could have bought him 3 years . Now, if we had Alonso… :)

    I didn’t realise that between them, Real and Bayers have 13 CL trophies!! Bloody hell, that’s a pedigree duel for you

  284. Red Arse says:

    Loving the game.

    I cannot help it — I would rather Madrid go out tonight with Mad Maureen frothing at the mouth, and worry about the Chavs winning the final later, 3rd place or not! :-)

    What a contrast to the crap on offer last night.

  285. herbsarmy says:

    Hi Big Raddy,

    The Three Charlie’s was in recognition of Charlie’s Buchan, George and Nicholas.
    I agree with you about the two different Arsenal’s, we have been completely re-modelled, and at this moment in time, we’re not a very successful brand.
    The frustrating thing is that everything is in place for us to be huge if the people making the footballing decisions are intelligent and hungry enough to want it.

  286. Irishgunner says:
  287. Red Arse says:

    Hi Glicster, :-)

    Headache? You got to remember to kick the dog with your foot! :-)

  288. robbinURpersie says:

    hahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahhahah…

    hmmm, chameleon or albino goldfish?

  289. Red Arse says:

    Hi Herb, :-)

    There was something about the 3Cs writing that made me think it was you!! Welcome back! :-)

  290. Hi Redders,
    How comes Maureen doesn`t play a formation of 118 212 ?

  291. Irishgunner says:

    Goldfish Robbin ha ha

  292. Red Arse says:

    Glic, :-)

    Because he is Mad Maureen? :-)

  293. herbsarmy says:

    Hi RedA,

    I’ve kept up with events on AA. It’s always good to have a break and put things in perspective. Arsenal are bigger than all of us individually, but we are all part of its organic structure.
    I hope your own personal health takes a turn for the better.

  294. robbinURpersie says:

    i feel if BM can snatch 1 more goal, it will be enough to go through

  295. Red Arse says:

    Thanks Herb. :-)

    I was asking about you the other day. Anyway, you always add a little spice to the blog!! :-)

    RurP,

    You have outlasted me – I’ve got to have an early night! :-)

    Tomorrow guys!

  296. robbinURpersie says:

    hes a hog that Robben

  297. robbinURpersie says:

    Night Redders

  298. evonne says:

    Robben is playing for another penalty, I hate that, worse than hard butter

  299. Big Raddy says:

    Hard butter is rubbish but better than that wieird stuff they call spreadable.

    This could go to pens. If so, you know who will win!

  300. evonne says:

    Gomez lost his cool

  301. robbinURpersie says:

    if Bayern go out they only have themselves to blame

  302. evonne says:

    ha ha ha ha, did you see Pepe? he had an epileptic fit

  303. robbinURpersie says:

    evonne :-)

    time for ivica olic

  304. Irishgunner says:

    I don’t like real butter EEEEEEEEEEEW spreadable for the win

    luvly jubbly another 30mins of footy

  305. Big Raddy says:

    Can we buy Khedira or Scweinsteiger?

  306. robbinURpersie says:

    Raddy,

    im sure Arsene would say the same thing he said to Sol Campbell-
    “sure, if you give us the money we will spend it”.

    just dont expect too much change ;-)

  307. Irishgunner says:

    Schweinsteiger – different league, love him.

  308. evonne says:

    how do you guys know the international players? I know Sweinsteiger was tremendous during last world cup (almost said last world war), but i have hardly seen him playing at club level. Do you watch bundeslige?

  309. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Changed my mind. I now want Bayern to win. Just can’t stand the smug Maureen.

  310. robbinURpersie says:

    i go scouting every now and then

  311. robbinURpersie says:

    i made a comment about ronaldo missing his penalty before he took it and it went missing

  312. evonne says:

    thanks Micky, spoil sport!!

  313. robbinURpersie says:

    WHaaaaT?

  314. evonne says:

    feck feck feck

  315. robbinURpersie says:

    cmon Bastian

  316. evonne says:

    but can they sink the Chavs????!!!

  317. evonne says:

    night all, thanks for great company! Hate watching games on my own xx

  318. robbinURpersie says:

    they wont dare lose at home Evonne, remember 12th man

  319. RockyLives says:

    Strangely pleasing that neither of the two teams from the Scottish Premier League (Southern Division) have made it to the CL final…

  320. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Agree with that Rocky.

  321. Irishgunner says:

    I <3 Schweinsteiger

  322. robbinURpersie says:

    Night Evonne, and thats me too…off to go fishing

  323. MickyDidIt89 says:

    rURp,
    In fact I doubt there will be more Bayern fans than Chavs. It was something that rally struck me at the final in Paris, how apart from participating club fans at either end, the rest was almost exclusively corporate.
    Of course the stadium and surroundings will be familiar but that’s about it.

  324. Big Raddy says:

    Shame so many BM players are banned.

    Much will depend upon who has the bigger squad. Chavs must be favourites despite BM home advantage.

    Bizarre season for Cahill. He could end with a CL medal

  325. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Nite all. Again :-)

  326. Irishgunner says:

    Evonne – for tomorrow since you’re gone now :)

    I’ve followed Schweinsteiger for a few seasons, very fond of him as a player. He started out wide for Bayern and can get past a man, but he got moved into a more central role and has been immense. Can tackle, get forward when needed, knows when to sit back. Amazing player.

    If you look through posts last year when the “Is Cesc (him again) going?” saga, I said I’d happily carry him on my back to the Nou Camp if we got Schweinsteiger – knew it wouldn’t happen but one can dream.

    I actually had an argument with a Manc fan one night in a pub over Schweinsteiger, we both said he was our dream buy – not Messi, not Ronaldo, not anyone else.

  327. Gooner In Exile says:

    I think they were some of the worse penalties i have ever seen especially the two Bayern misses

  328. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Last thing.
    Raddy,
    Chelsea have so many important games beforehand, unlike Bayern, that you would expect them to pick up the odd injury. End of season tired tackles and so on.
    For the third time. Good Night.

  329. Big Raddy says:

    So it is goodnight from me and goodnight from him ….

  330. Irishgunner says:

    BR – Bayern clear favourites for me. They have a good squad.

    Contento/Rafinha can come in at full back depending on where they want to play Lahm. Pranjic or Tymoshchuk in midfield for Gustavo.

  331. Irishgunner says:

    And Van Buyten for Badstuber

  332. henrychan - indonesia says:

    TA.. thanks for the warm reply..

    Yes I like Holland / Dutchteams verymuch.. So I try to search all about them.. Some of them play in Germany, Spain, Italy, England and certainly Holland..

    And yes.. I like Bas Dost..
    I think he will be Holland next #1 striker..
    And I’m sure enough that he will fit with Arsenal..
    He will be a very suitable RVP backup..
    He is tall, sharp and have a good skill.. both in head and foot..
    but I’m not sure that BD want tobe a backup man.. hehehe..

    And you know as a Holland fans.. I don’t really like Germany player..
    So I never hope that Podolski is really come to Arsenal, just as Mertesacker did..
    Bring as many as midfielders but not striker, specially Germany striker.. And if Wenger want a striker please look at Bas Dost.. hehehe.. Go Gunners..

  333. I'm the problem. says:

    Bring in Dalglish, he’s not afraid to spend 35 million on a striker.

    Wenger dun nuffink and I fink he’s to cheep.

    arsenal need Ronaldo, Canvani, Neur, and Jeffers – Wengers nos nuffik as if he did he would have kept Cesc and bergkape.

    Mooreenho is the managers I wants.

    If not I will suport City as they spend good. City paid nasri more and aren’t scared.

  334. evonne says:

    Henrychan – Podolski is not German, his parents emigrated to Germany. He’s the same background as Szczesny and Koscielny, good, solid stock

  335. Gooner In Exile says:

    There speaks our resident Pole, who seems to be coming round to the idea tha Szczesny is alright :D

    Morning Evonne

  336. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Sorry Evonne, he is German :-(
    “I’m the problem”… so RA. Rumbled :-)

  337. You aren't the problem says:

    I’m the problem – you arent the problemss

    I is the problem. I is matchin you cheep with a cheepcheep

    Anys how yu carnt suporting Shitty coz I ownz it already and nasree scares me big time. so there.

  338. Red Arse says:

    Good morning, Micky, :-)

    And, no, I’m not “I’m the problem”, but I am “you aren’t the problem”. :-)

    I actually thought YOU were the problem — but 5:30 a.m.? We have an intruder!! :-)

  339. chas says:

    Great post, GIE.

    On first reading, I thought you were 100% serious. I saw your comments about feeling sorry for me having to sit next to some ‘footballing experts’ at the ground and wondered if I’d coloured your judgement.

    Then the thought came to me that Wenger leaving wouldn’t make any difference at all as the moaners would still attend and ensure everyone around them received the benefits of their ‘tactical wisdom’ throughout the game.

    Finally the penny dropped as to the point you were making. Excellent.

    Perhaps the club could, along with the Red Action singing section, instigate a ‘tactical experts’ section where like-minded fans could regale their neighbours with the gems of their wisdom and hear how they would all do a better job than Wenger. Just imagine a section where shouting ‘SHOOOOOT’ when a player is trying to control the ball on their chest 35 yards from goal, didn’t make you look like a complete pillock to all of those around you. Where you can shout, ‘Oh my god’, ‘diabolical’ and ‘come on we should be murdering Wigan’ with complete impunity.
    It would be so wonderful for the rest of us. :)

  340. RockyLives says:

    Who’s the problem?

  341. RockyLives says:

    Morning Micky, Chas and Redders
    So this is what you get up to when I’m normally tucked up in bed :)

  342. RockyLives says:

    and not forgetting everyone’s favourite Polska :)
    (Is that right evonne – Polska? – or is that a dance?)

  343. wenga de problem says:

    Wenga shud buy Krooos, Schweinhoont and Gomez

  344. evonne says:

    you are the problem Rocky :)

    morning GiE – not really, Chesny still scares me, but you are the expert and therefore I accept that he is ok’ish

    Morning Chas at long last :)

  345. Red Arse says:

    Hi Chas,

    I think our man GIE was being serious and I think we should de-bag him immediately!! :-)

    Actually, I wrote a Post on another blog, many months ago, saying something similar. In a nutshell, I maintained AW did not need to see his reputation besmirched by a bunch of pr*ts, and he should go with dignity.
    It would be a phyrric ‘victory’ for the clowns because whoever we got to replace him, there would be a very difficult time for us and the team, then we could debag everyone who complained!! :-)

  346. Red Arse says:

    pyrrhic not phyrric — still sleepy!! :roll:

  347. evonne says:

    Red Arse – you almost got me replying to that silly rant. But when you went on to say you’d support shitty instead, I knew it was you, nobody (else) is that mad :)

    Rocky – yes, the beautiful country is called Polska, I am Polka, there is a dance and a pattern called polka too. Chesny is a Polak, and Podolski’s parents are Polacy. Easy :)

    Did you see the discussions about hard butter last night :) Tell your daughter, she started it :)

  348. chas says:

    Morning everybody,
    Watching the semi last night, I texted my brother just after Robben had scored Bayern’s pen to say there would be no more goals and to put a bet on Bayern winning on penalties. He looked it up and it was 22 to 1.
    It went down to 3 to 1 at the end of the 90 minutes and 21 to 10 at half time in extra time.
    Unfortunately no bet was placed though. :(

    Really pleased our trip to Munich will be enhanced by Bayern in the final. Ant has bought a shirt already. :)

  349. evonne says:

    Chas – Ant bought a blue shirt??

  350. Red Arse says:

    Wenga de prob,

    I liked that guy swinehund , much better than old swinesticker!

    Evonne, Morning, :-)

    I is NOT “I’m the Problem” – I is “You are not the problem” — seems to me that “not yet gone to bed, “Rock Island Red” is the problem, with tricky Micky playing a long game!

    Speaking of which, I have often been seen dancing the Polka in my nice red and white polka dot dress! :-)

  351. chas says:

    RA, I can’t imagine a dress long enough. ;)

  352. RockyLives says:

    Redders
    I is ‘gone to bed but up in middle of night for routine hospital appointment.’

    The Canadian health system is good but strange!

    If you have a non emergency MRI scan (as I have) you end up with an appointment at 3.30am (as I have).

  353. RockyLives says:

    Chas
    Good call on the result last night.

    My head says BM should win the final easily, but the way the breaks have been going for the Chavs you just wonder…

  354. robbinURpersie says:

    Morning all,

    can anyone tell me where Royal Ascot is?

  355. MickyDidIt89 says:

    rURp,
    Most peolpe here yes, but probably not all.

  356. chas says:

    I thought this was funny.
    Warning. Not for anyone of a sensitive disposition or football-related in any way.

    http://amzn.to/K4llNS

  357. MickyDidIt89 says:

    robbin,
    Sorry for being such a complete tosser! Just west of London. Think Windsor Castle and Eton College if that helps :-)

  358. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas,
    That’s so funny. “Hair free saddle bags” :-)
    Just the sort of feedback I’m sure Amazon like most.

  359. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rocky,
    I hope all is well and that the MRI discovers nothing more than an enormous fully functioning highly developed brain thing.

  360. Red Arse says:

    Rocky,

    Let me know how you get on, please. We can compare when we eventually meet up!! :-)

    I was asked on my last visit to the hospital, if I would mind letting a trainee nurse ‘hook’ me up to the machine, because she had to put her training into practice.

    As it involves playing the part of a dart board from my perspective, involving a very biiiig needle, I asked if she could practice on someone else first?

    They thought I was kidding, and took that as an affirmative.
    I will tell you what happened sometime! :-)

  361. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I am about to fall out something rotten with wordpress.

  362. kelsey says:

    Morning all.

    chas that was an eye opener at 9.05. french women are the worst.hairy armpits and smother hemselves with perfume instead of the occasional wash or shower.

    RL, hope the scan is OK

    Does anyone else think maureen looks ill ?. It’s not just the shaved hair.

  363. kelsey says:

    Red arse

    are you by any chance related to Dracula. All these blood transfusions seem frightening :)

  364. chas says:

    We can’t all be as bushy as you, Kelsey. :)

  365. Rasp says:

    Morning all, slightly earlier than usual (due to work commitments)….

    ….. New post ……..

  366. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Kelsey,
    Last night I decided to really loathe the man. I think that the first thing he does on entering the stadium is to find out where all the tv cameras are located, so that he can crack right on with the business of posing. He is a self obsessed egomaniac.

  367. evonne says:

    Micky – i hope that they not discover brain in Rocky’s other bodily parts and especially the ones facing back :) MRI can be done for any organ or bone

    Rocky – all the best mate x

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