What’s your breaking point?

Written by FatGingerGooner

So the dust has settled on a couple of dreadful Arsenal away results, and equally dreadful defensive displays. Obviously, I’m talking about the 8-2 and 4-3 defeats. There have been a lot of people coming out of the woodwork in recent days, using these results as ammunition to have a pop at the manager and also to give their opinion on the direction this club needs to go. Now I would admit that I am an avid Wenger supporter, as most of you know, and I do get frustrated when others feel the only way forward is to get rid of him, but, even I have to admit that recent results have left my support for Arsene a little bit stretched.

So, my question to you is this:-

At what point does the recent decline in Arsenal fortunes have to get to before you say enough is enough?

WHAT IS YOUR BREAKING POINT?

For me, I am yet to reach that point, and I am hoping that Arsene has the fight left in him to turn this situation around. We are probably at the lowest I have witnessed since Arsene took over 15 years ago, the fans are divided, the team is unfamiliar, and the performances are poor. Who is to blame for this recent downturn in fortunes, I don’t know. But, what I do know is that Arsene cannot and should not take all the flak.

Is it his fault that Chelsea, Man City and Man United have been able to find Billionaire sugar daddies and thus price us out of the market? NO.

Is it his fault that his best players have decided to chase the dollar rather than try to build another legacy with Arsenal? NOT REALLY.

Is it his fault that so many of the clubs key players get injured during important parts of the season? I DOUBT IT

So would it be right of the club to get rid of a man who has done so much for them?

We have all witnessed the amazing sides that Arsene has brought us whilst manager, from the Double winners of Overmars and co, to the Invincibles led by Henry and Vieira. We have all seen the transition we have made from 1-0 specialists to easy on the eye pass masters. We have all celebrated as we have won Leagues and FA Cups, and we have all had chances (apart from myself!) to visit a brand new, state of the art 60,000 seater stadium known as the Emirates. Arsene has overseen this club through some, if not most, of its greatest ever achievements.

Personally, I believe the achievements made by this man gives him the right to leave the club on his own terms. He is the greatest manager this club has ever seen, and should be given the respect he deserves. I have seen people writing comments on blogs such as ‘this man is a disgrace to Arsenal’ and ‘Arsene is ruining this club’, well, i’m sorry, but what a crock of shit!!!

If it wasn’t for this man that you hate so much, we would probably still be at Highbury, sat in midtable, playing boring, long ball football. We would never have seen the likes of Pires, Vieira, Campbell, Overmars, Ljungberg, Lehmann, Fabregas, Van Persie and Henry. We may never have reached a Champions League or Uefa Cup final. We would never have seen the Invincibles.

What some of you fans seem to forget is that Arsene loves this club just as much as you and me. He is not here for the money, or to enhance his career, after all, he could walk into any job in world football getting paid twice as much as he gets now. He is here because he wants this club to be the best in the world. He is a fan, just like you and me.

Now, I am not so blinkered that I don’t  realise that things aren’t going well at the moment, and if things do continue on this downward spiral, then there has to be a time when the manager must be changed. But, given what Arsene has done for this club, I believe it should be his choice. He is smart enough to know when he can take this club no further, and I trust that he will make the step into the boardroom when the time is right. Until then, please can we show this man some respect.

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267 Responses to What’s your breaking point?

  1. kelsey says:

    FGG morning.

    i didn’t know this post was going up today but if you read the interview that i put up this morning it may answer some of your questions.

  2. Sebastian says:

    You’ve never been to the Emirates? :S

    Couple of points :-

    1) “Is it his fault that his best players have decided to chase the dollar rather than try to build another legacy with Arsenal? NOT REALLY.” – Not quite that clear cut. Last year, Almunia cost us at least 10 points, had he had bought a keeper, or started with WS13 then we could have won the title, meaning the 2 boys that left may have stayed. still, its easy to say that now.

    2) I really do not mean to sound negative about this, but I’ve said it before, Wenger has won 3 titles and 4 F.A cups since hes been here. Looking at the teams hes had in that time (15 years) is that enough? I’m really not sure that it is.

    That Invincibles team won 1 league title, followed by 1 F.A Cup.

    The man utd team of the last 5 years wasnt as good as that team, and they have won 4 titles, a champions league, and 2 champs league finals that they didnt win.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Wenger supporter, I want him to stay, but I cant help but feeling he should have actually achieved a little more.

    Still, i’ll be at the emirates cheering the boys on 3pm saturday, need 3 points!

  3. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi FGG, another great and passionate post :) You know where I stand on the issue of respect for Arsene Wenger.

    Breaking Point? If and when an irreparable rift forms between Wenger and the players, or Wenger just cannot take the strain anymore. Obviously, this will only happen if we keep losing games as dramatically as we did recently, which I know will not be the case (although there is a little bit of doubt lingering in the back of my head now).

  4. Red Arse says:

    Well written Oh Auburn One. :-)

    I agree with your overall sentiment, altho’ I’m not in agreement with the ‘downward spiral’ comment.

    The driver behind everything Arsene has done or wants to do, viz a vis his vision for the team/club, if you like, is the personal satisfaction he gets from doing his job well, and leading the team to the top.
    He also is aware that if he succeeds in that, he will take the fans with him in happy harmony.

    The board of directors (Kroenke) will never sack him, because in both footballing and business terms he is the goose that lays the golden egg.
    And neither should they, for the above reasons, but more especially because he is a special manager who has brought greatness to the club, and because he is a special human being deserving of business and personal respect. He certainly has mine – in spades!

    However, if he is unable to retain his job satisfaction, which equates to winning major trophies, (his raison d’etre) then, and only then, he may choose to call it a day.
    But before the detractors break out in a great ‘hoorah’, I would caution them that he is very stubborn, as well s gifted, and will be determined to prove them wrong by turning our current situation around and winning trophies, again, and in the near future!

    I would put money on him doing so! :-)

  5. Danny says:

    Sorry FGG but you’re living in the past. Yes Wenger is the greatest manager we’ve ever had but as I’ve written many times over the past couple of seasons – all good things must come to an end. What we’re experiencing now is absolutely terrible and is really becoming unbearable. I’m not going to start listing all the bad decisions that he’s made over the last couple years coz we all know them but there are just way too many. Time to let somebody else have a try. I reached my breaking point long ago.

  6. holly says:

    Good post FGG,
    I’ve sat here and considered what it would take for me to definitively want Wenger out. I think I’d take any run of results until January and wait to see how he reacted in the transfer window, with our reported £50m stash. I think the biggest frustration for me has been his relative inaction in successive windows. The sense that we needn’t be in this position at all over rides all others. Not signing a top drawer centre back or keeper in the last couple of years. Reportedly missing out on Alonso to the tune of a couple of million when he would have been the missing piece of a potential league winning team etc…

    I’ll also put my hand up to being more than a little aggrieved that the club played hard ball with the loyal supporters with the rise in ticket prices and yet pandered to the desires of a multi millionaire footballer who was hankering after a return home by accepting a ridiculously low fee. This may be incorrect but i read somewhere that the ticket rise would only yield the club an extra £5m per year. So selling Cesc for £40m (still below his worth) would have negated the need to penalize the fans. (Incidentally Cesc has become the first Barca player EVER to score in each of his first 4 league games for the club!) As to what role Wenger actually had in the transfer fee is open to debate, so this may be a board gripe.

    For the record, I love Wenger and I’m desperate for him to turn it all around for us and I still believe he can!

  7. 26may1989 says:

    Hi FGG, good stuff as ever.

    I do disagree though. For me, the only question is this: is retaining this most important employee in the best interests for Arsenal’s footballing success and development or not? I think the answer is “yes” but, for all of his great, great achievements (many not even acknowledged) and despite the crappy, short-sighted, destructive behaviour of his many ill-informed critics, the moment the answer is “no”, neither the fans nor the Board should have any hesitation about ending Wenger’s employment.

    Loyalty matters, and it is one reason we should all show Wenger respect (sounds old fashioned, but these things are important). However, loyalty must never get in the way of the club’s raison d’etre; what happens on the pitch. If there is a tough decision to make on Wenger or anyone else, it must be made and the relevant action taken, regardless of previous achievements. Rafa Benitez was probably given two seasons too long by Liverpool on account of the European Cup win; that was misplaced loyalty they paid for.

    All that said, I don’t think we are at a point where it would be in our best interests to get a new manager. Looking back, I’ve said a number of times on AA (sorry for the repetition) that I reject the idea that we have failed since 2005: I believe that history will judge as Wenger’s greatest achievement his keeping us at the top table from 2004 to 2010 with no money and all the risk and instability that a major project brings, and with Chelsea and now City cheating their way to silverware. (And yes, Wenger could easily, even justifiably, have ditched us and gone to Real or Chelsea for more money, better players and trophies.)

    The moment our debt was sorted last year was the moment Wenger was freed from the shackles of the stadium, so if there is a failure, to me, it only relates to last season. And that went bloody well till the players threw away the chance to win the title in the last ten games.

    Does any of that justify the aggressive, media-fuelled, deluded hysteria we see amongst so many Arsenal fans? Absolutely not, but asking whether it’s time for a change is nonetheless legitimate. During the 2005-2010 period, there was no-one around who could have done what Wenger did, and we are incredibly lucky to have had him as our manager. But without the financial shackles, the position is less clear, there are options, and managing that is the major challenge for the Board over the next couple of years.

    I’ve been critical of the way our summer was handled, but that’s water under the bridge now. As fans, we should just all focus on driving this squad to success by building its confidence and allowing it to grow. The Shrewsbury game was interesting, as I saw signs of something good emerging on the pitch and also felt the refreshing support of fans at the ground who hadn’t lost sight of the main objective: winning football matches, rather than obsessing about what high ticket prices “entitle” us to demand.

    One point of detail: I don’t consider Man United to be a sugar daddy club. United, for all I dislike them, subsidise their owners, not the other way around. If the Glazers didn’t own United, they could have been even more powerful than they are. Ferguson’s great achievement is in delivering titles in that context.

  8. Breaking point for me was almost reached during the transfer window, not from the lack of action, not from the selling of F******s, not from the departure of Na€ri, nor from the so called panic buying, but from the attempt to sign, if you can believe the lying toerag, Barton.

  9. Danish Gooner says:

    Red Arse,sometimes in life you have to be ruthless in your relationship when it has gone stale and tedious and it is a sentiment very well documented in football.We simply cant afford to keep a lame duck hanging around our club house it must be put down.Wenger have no fire and no ambition of taking this club any further,he doesnt give a monkies about the fans(wont attend AGMs anymore because someone once actually dared to critizise him).He talks so much bollocks it is embarrassing,like after one win in 5 we are a lot stronger and having turned a corner and straight after we lose another game.He has been going on for FOUR seasons now about our defensive frailties but we are still leaking goals like it was an art in itself,just imagine this scenario took place at OT,do you think Fergie would sit back and watch such a train wreck you better believe he wouldnt.Then he use a massive amount of money on a complete dud like Koscielny,squid etc.We were in for Smalling and Jones and we got absolutely rubbish instead.Then ther is the finacial fair play,do anyone actually think the big clubs will abide to this,we have already seen Man City dodging that bullet,Real madrid will do the same etc,Wenger simply detaches himself from the real world and then reality simply overtakes Wengers fantasy land.

  10. Be careful what you wish for….Peter Read has just been sacked and is looking for a new club, be afraid! be very afraid!

  11. evonne says:

    Micky – will you pass on the number to Dannish or shall I?

  12. 26may1989 says:

    Danish Gooner

    Please name another manager who has ever attended a Q&A session with shareholders or fans.

    The behaviour of the disrespectful idiots who attended in 2009 ruined it for the rest of us. Why should Wenger put up with being second-guessed and insulted by people who don’t begin to have his knowledge of the game and how to build a team?

  13. evonne says:

    Ginga – marvellous post, ta very much. I am going to miss my plane because of you! speak next week x

  14. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ginger,
    Great post, thank you.
    My breaking point? Pah, I’m unbreakable in a relaxed kind of way.
    However, I’m irrelevant, and for certain Arsene would be gone were we to lose to Bolton and Spuds (naturally we will win both). Sacked? No, never. Mutual regret stuff yes.
    My personal view is that of course results need to improve, and I believe they will, but at the same time the club is way bigger than any individual (fatso Usmanov aside perhaps). So in a nutshell, we will start climbing the table, therefore he satys. I hope.

  15. Red Arse says:

    Hi Danish,

    We both are big supporters of Arsenal (the club).

    That said, you and I, on a different site, have often agreed to disagree on various footballing issues.

    I understand your viewpoint and I cannot disagree with everything you have written, but it is the interpretation of how these events occurred and who/what was responsible for the outcomes that we disagree upon.

    Where we do agree is on the FFP rules. UEFA have left quite a lot of wriggle room there for some of the ‘big’ clubs to manoeuvre and exploit.

    BUT, for the sake of argument, let’s assume that the rules are brought into play properly, and this cuts down on the ‘commercially unrelated’ expenditure on players, for all clubs, what do you think will be the outcome?

    If the sugar daddy money is cut off, the commercial pressures will be racked up and everyone will be fighting for the biggest, best sponsors. The sponsors will naturally pour money into the trophy winners — who are likely to be the same big clubs currently winning trophies (not Arsenal, at the moment).

    So, to compete, how do you think Arsenal will respond? Obviously they will try to improve their commercial revenues and improve their sponsorship deals, but so will everyone else, and that is not necessarily within Arsenal’s control.

    The one area where the club can control income, to a larger extent, is in the seat prices charged to fans.
    People have complained, understandably, about the recent 6% seat price hike, but that will be nothing to what will happen once the FFP kicks in properly, not just for Arsenal but fans everywhere.
    A poorly thought thru’ consequence of the FFP.
    Thank you Monsieur Platini.

  16. Illybongani says:

    Morning all – excellent tub-thumping post FGG. My personal breaking point? Could be a hammering at Spurs following a scrappy draw against Bolton.

    I’m all over the place at the moment though. One minute I think Arsene should be given his P45 then I remember all the good times and hanker for more. And could anyone else have done what he has done since he arrived? Possibly, but it’s a lottery. Remember, SAF was only a couple of games away from getting the sack early doors at Man Utd.

    Let’s just circle the wagons again and prefer for whatever comes! But if Adebay-whore gets a brace or more against us I’ll be offering my slap head for scalping!

  17. Illybongani says:

    prepare -not prefer, crazy fool.

  18. Rico says:

    FGG.thenks Gracious that there’s another fan with sense in his supporting.we r real fans n we clearly know how it feels 2 lose such games with such big margins.i understand him,not bcoz am in lov with him!(am not gay n if i was,he’s too old!!).i do coz i know his stand on our beloved club.he’s human 4 heavens sake.he’s doing his best.he has done it in the past so he knows da formula.i believe if it waz his choice,he could hav bought players earlier

  19. pat says:

    signing Barton? That surely is a crock of shite…. also somehow managed to watch Nani dive vs Chelski again. I just cant believe how Mancs get a free pass for that sort of crap. They really need to be taken down a peg or two that lot.

  20. kelsey says:

    I put this link up earlier and am amazed noone has responded even though it is an opinion by someone who is regarded as a football expert.

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/englan…ene-wenger-and

    I don’t agree with many of the points but I like others have my concerns.

    Firstly I don’t believe for one moment that AW would be sacked nor that he would go to another PL club.He was offered two years ago the life presidency of PSG and I believe that is where he will finish up.
    I think the main stumbling block is the board itself and it will be interesting to hear what kroenke has to say shortly, as suggested by Gazidis a few days ago.
    Laws like nearly every one else at the club who make decisions financial are not football people,and that concerns me.

    The barton article as usual has been twisted,there was no official approach by the club just a name like several others that were spouted about and was a remote possibilty,no negotiations ever came about.
    There is no doubt in my mind that the thrashing at United did prompt AW to persue Arteta and Benyaoun 9but only only a loan0 which tells me he wasn’t that bothered either way.

    David Dein won’t come back but I agree with the article that someone like him would be more than beneficial to the manager.

    I still believe that usmanov will make a move soon,(which again could have an unsettling effect) and at this moment of time a club suffering it’s worst run of form in over 50 years and the loss of confidence is a huge task for our manager and somehow the more experienced players need to stand up and be counted.

  21. gooner from India says:

    I am a through and through Wenger fan.But we always say that nobody is bigger than the club and Arsene himself followed this policy for years.I believe when it comes to Wenger we always forget this,nobody means nobody including Wenger and I think he is getting bigger than the club.I still do not want him to leave but he needs to mend his ways to take us where we belong.

    And talking about Pires,henry etc, they have that fire to succeed, to win things here at Arsenal FC whereas I do not see the same fire in our current squad barring Wilshere and a couple others.(I hope you remember Traore and few others smiling after the embarrasment at OT).

  22. Rasp says:

    Morning all,

    Thanks for the post FGG, it sums up my heart situation, the other 50% of me (the head) wants whoever is most culpable to go, and if that is more than one person so be it.

    We have serious failings that were avoidable. These played into the hands of those who had prediced problems as it, in their eyes fulfilled their prophecies.

  23. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    FGG,

    You are a very wise and inteligent man. I have heard the word ‘crises’ mooted about so often its quite frankly laughable. We have only played 5 league games, yet we are in crises and Arsene Wenger is some old duffer that dose not know what day it is.

    When Chelsea won back to back leagues there was plenty of Utd fans questioning his age, sanity, competence etc. Yet these same people now laud him as some sort of God.

    Arsene has had to deal with clubs who have unlimited resources, other clubs with greater natural resources, greedy palyers and there agents, the move to Ashburton Grove, a Board that is conservitive by nature, a fickle press, some undeserving fans, and yet despite this he has placed the club in the Champions league for the last 14 years. Old duffer indeed.

  24. Fatgingergooner says:

    Thanks for the comments guys.

    I’m expecting a tough ride on this Today, but the recent levels of ignorance shown towards Arsene Wenger have annoyed me somewhat.

    If people want him out, I can accept that aslong as they give a good reason as to why. But to say that he is ruining our club shocks me.

  25. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I would just like to add that i think we will finish 3rd this year, and with a bit of fortune might still chalange for the league. If ime wrong so what. I still have confidence in the best manager weve had since Chapman and will back the boys to the end.

  26. Big Raddy says:

    kelsey. I do not think of Flynn as a football expert. I think his objective is self-promotion and he has jumped on the AFC bandwagon. He has no close contact to AW though his friendship with David Dein’s son does give him some insight. I have read his books and do not like them..

    As such I have to admit I have not read his views.

    Barton. The man is clearly a mentalist! As if …..

  27. Big Raddy says:

    FGG. Thank you for another tub-thumping post. I am in the keep AW until he wants out camp.

  28. Kelsey,

    I’m glad that Hill-Wood has come out and denied, well almost denied, Barton’s claims, although I’m not completely convinced there was nothing in it.

    I find it odd that the chairman of a top club only ever speaks to a rubbish red top like The Daily Star.

  29. Big Raddy says:

    Kelsey. ANother point. Would you prefer Tony Adams or an accountant to do your tax calculations? Martin Keown.or an American merchandising to sell your brand? Or Lee Dixon as our MD?

    Cannot be any doubt that we do not need football men in the offices.

  30. Red Arse says:

    FaGiGo,

    Don’t be shocked. If your article were to appear on a certain other blog site, you would probably be castrated like a Ginger Tom.

    In that context, “Ruining our club” is pretty mild! At least you retain your bits and bobs!! :-) :-)

  31. Fatgingergooner says:

    That’s true RA,

    My bits and bobs get to go unused for at least one more day! :-)

  32. Red Arse says:

    Raddy, :-)

    Totally agree with your comment(s), and thankfully no mention of any 26s. :-) Who needs lawyers? :-)

  33. Fatgingergooner says:

    LG

    I’m pretty sure Hill Wood wanted to make sure that Barton himself got to read the article, that’s why it’s in the Star!

  34. Red Arse says:

    LG,

    I don’t think you should take the slightest notice of what Barton says.

    Allegedly, Arsene asked him if he had stubbed out any cigars in peoples’ eyes lately, or sneakily hit anyone from behind in the last six months, and Barton thought these were blandishments to come to Arsenal to perfect his technique, and make men of our lads.

    As if!! :-)

  35. FGG,

    Where’s the press office in all this? Why aren’t they out refuting Barton’s claims? Why are we always on the back foot when it comes to negative stories?

  36. Rasp says:

    Guys, I think there is one thing that most of us have in common and that is we have set some kind of timescale/benchmarks in our own minds beyond which we have told ourselves if ‘X’ or ‘Y’ haven’t happened by then we will ask serious questions.

    I have been doing this for several years and every time I pass one of those points I say to myself …..well give it another season, or we’re on the verge of everything coming together so we can say ‘I told you so’ – but eventually the faith dies.

    I believe there is something wrong at the club but in all honesty I can’t point the blame in any particular direction. Like kelsey and several others I am privvy to some inside information that I cannot share but would shock some supporters.

  37. Scott says:

    It’s funny how two weekday how everyone was saying Liverpool would run 4th,and how well they’d spent their money during transfer season.
    Two losses later,and I haven’t read one single comment from the Wenger bashers.
    Where are you?
    One thing this does show though,us exactly how things can turn around.

  38. RA,

    Unfortunately it is not always possible to ignore the rantings that appear so frequently on something called Twitter, whatever that is, but it does our club no good to be associated with rubbish like Barton.

  39. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi FGG,
    we’ve not ‘spoke’ before, but have been posting here for a while.
    Great post, and one certainly to put the cat amongst the pigeons!
    We all form different opinions without knowing what’s really going on in the corridors of power, and emotions are running high with all our fans with contrasting views.
    I don’t see a way back for David Dein, but his departure was detrimental to Arsene Wenger, because not only was he a personal friend, it also meant a bigger work-load for AW, and having to deal with things he wouldn’t have had to concern himself with. you can fill the vacancy that Dein’s departure left vacant, but you can’t replace the friendship.
    Until ‘Silent’ Stan communicates directly with the fans and defines his vision of our future, this turmoil will continue.
    I’ve heard a lot of people say ‘We want the old Wenger back…’ He’s the same man he’s always been, the key component was Dein, because we haven’t won anything since he left.
    So, in summary, as long as AW has the energy and hunger for the job, he should be allowed to continue.

  40. kelsey says:

    BR,

    i did state that Flynn was a self confessed Spurs fan, and though i take your point about the financial aspect of our club being run by those who know their profession IMO AW needs better help than he is getting on pure fooball matters.
    Dein and Wenger were a good team and I don’t believe dein got heavily involved in the day to day finances of the club. Rightly or wrongly he wanted the club to invest more in players as opposed to the new stadium, though we all know wembley was a disaster.

  41. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Well said Scott. It just goes to show how short sighted some people are.

    As for Barton, who cares.

  42. Great post FGG
    I don’t think the red manc scum have a sugar daddy. They have always spent a lot of money and in the past Wenger won titles against a backdrop of manc dominated league. Thier spending has gone up with inflation but ours (in real terms) must have gone down. I think we have some of the most exciting young talent in this country (Ox, Ryo,Coq, Jack, Ramsey, Chesney) But I don’t think Wenger will be around to see it come to fruition.

    Usmanov will take over Arsenal soon enough and some people will be happy. How will they be getting thier Arsenal back?
    I think it will be a sad day. The man is a crook. Don’t anyone dare suggest I’m being Naive.

  43. Fatgingergooner says:

    LG,

    Why would the press office or anyone else at Arsenal really feel the need to put dampeners on a story about Barton? Does anyone even take him seriously these days!?

    One thing I would like to question is the way that modern fans feel the need to question everything about our boardroom goings on. We are widely regarded as one of the most well run clubs in world football. We don’t have masses of debt and are one of the very few clubs that will have a future if the global financial crisis continues. So why do we question everything about the way the club is run? Shouldn’t we just discuss what we actually have facts about ie what we can see on the pitch every week, instead of trying to second guess our BoD’s as if we know what is best for the club? Until anyone actually has some solid facts about what goes on behind the scenes then save it for the AGM’s etc.

    Also, since when has it become acceptable to quote certain red top newspaper articles to give certain points credence, but then when it doesn’t suit we can just dismiss them as the byllshit they are? We take a story about Alonso being available for 1 or 2 mill more as gospel from the same newspapers who write about us signing Defoe and Schweinsteiger! It’s ridiculous.

  44. Red Arse says:

    Stop it FaGiGo! You are being far too sensible!! :-)

    Hi GM, :-) No one could ever say you are naive. :-)
    Not sure about the Usmanov take over tho’, not unless Stan bails and takes his profits!

    TerryM, you are right about Barton — who cares what that pillock says? Not me, that’s for sure!!

  45. Rasp says:

    Hi Raddy, re your comment @ 12:16, I cannot agree.

    I think that some of our problems are specifically because we have certain people in important positions at the club who do not fully understand football – English football.

    People have jumped 5,000 places in the season ticket waiting list this summer, that is an unprecedented number and it has provoked a reaction from the club. I accept we are a football business, but the management are seeing how important the support is to the economics of the club/business.

    The recent ‘AW has our full support statement by IG’ and the pronouncement that the CC game had the 2nd highest attendance are both examples of the PR machine’s reaction.

    The fact is that we must be failing to attract new young support – the season ticket holders of the future, because we are not inspiring on the pitch and that cannot be good for the long term health of the club.

  46. Fatgingergooner says:

    One of the clubs biggest problems at the moment are it’s fans.

    Fans seem to think that we should be competing with United, City and Chelsea, but that’s never going to happen. When there was only one big spending club in the PL, Man U, then it was possible for us to challenge, espescially if they had a poor season or if we had a special team ie invincibles, but with 3 other big spenders, aswell as the likes of Liverpool and Spurs just behind, then it becomes almost impossible for us to compete. Fans have been spoilt by AW and his achievements and now believe it is there right to expect trophies. Well I’m sorry, but your dreaming. There are only 2 trophies worth winning each season and 6-7 clubs who can realistically win them. If you take the CL then those odds get even higher with about 10-12 clubs capable of winning that.

    We have been punching above our weight for years now. Time for fans to get this into their heads. If they are new to the club and not happy with that then it is them who should leave the club behind. Not the manager.

    If, and only if, the financial playing field is levelled out, then once again we will win trophies, otherwise we are feeding off scraps from the big money boys, both in terms of players available and trophies available.

    Wenger is the best there is at buying cheap players and turning them into quality, but even he is struggling to cope with clubs who can just go out and buy ready made quality players.

  47. kelsey says:

    The economic situation is already affecting some clubs but to use an out of date phrase “the working man” is already having an effect on Liverpool one of the best supprters club in the PL

    I have a friend who has many family obligations and has been an attending supporter fo 30 years but not a full season ticket supporter.
    This season liverpool have changed their policy that one can only obtain a ticket (average price 48.00) by buying ten at a time and with two kids who also go the game he has been priced out of going.That’s how he fans are being treated,the fans at many clubs are being distanced by their local club more so than ever.

  48. FGG’

    Well the chairman felt the need!

    Why shouldn’t fans question the board’s actions? or do you subscribe to the notion that the fans should pay for their tickets, buy the merchandise and just shut up?

  49. Rasp says:

    FGG,

    I cannot agree at all. My main gripe is the failure to do better with what we have at our disposal (I could give you a long list) not that we should be trying to compete financially in the transfer market with the clubs you list.

    If the lost game to Blackburn had been at home, there would have been any number of bloggers coming on and blaming the lousy support at the Emirates – its happened time and time again, but it was an away game and so no such excuses. The fact is that we took to the pitch in the second half unprepared to face the onslaught.

    We lost 50/50 balls, we failed completely to get 2nd ball, we lost our shape and our confidence without the ‘negative effect of the Emirates fans’. The away support were excellent as usual but they couldn’t affect the result any more than the home crowd can – it’s 95% down to the management and the players.

  50. Herb'sArmy says:

    FGG,
    Keith Edelman told fans that moving to The Emirates was essential to competing with the Man Utd’s and Barcelona’s of this world, and as Kelsey pointed out, we are one of the biggest clubs in the world, so why can’t we compete at the top table?
    If we’re unable to compete, it makes a mockery of the whole project, the ticket prices and AW’s salary.

  51. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I think Kelsey hit the nail on the head there.

    What were realy discussing is how football has become big bussiness. I admire the way are club is run but we should not forget that, Dein, Bracewell Smith and Fizmans heirs have become very rich of the back of our great club. Stan and Uzmanov want to do the same.

    My greatest wish for football is that Clubs have some sort of Trust ownership which would stop onwers making money from selling there stakes. A pipe dream i know.

  52. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi 26 @10.26 – great comment. I bet you write these as fast as I can read them, and it shows a great command of (english)language (if I may say so :) )

    You are right about the need for the BoD to make the best decision and not let loyalty to a great manager and person blind decisions. You then go on by saying:

    ‘All that said, I don’t think we are at a point where it would be in our best interests to get a new manager’

    You do not further explaint this point of view and I wondered what your reasons are for this?

  53. TMHT
    Usmanov doesn’t want to become rich. He is already one of the richest men in the world. the other new super rich owners will never make money.
    Rasp
    My son has jumped over 10k up the waiting list. If they offer him one in the next 3 years he won’t have the money. He’s been offered club level already

  54. Fatgingergooner says:

    Rasp,

    The point I was making had nothing to do with the performance on the pitch. That is down to players and management as you rightly say.

    With the financial power the top 3 have right now fans should not expect us to be winning trophies and should not be judging the manager based on unachievable targets. If fans at Aston Villa expected them to win the league every season then they would be calling for a new manager every season. Unrealistic expectations put unwarranted pressure on the manager.

    LG if we were run like Leeds, then I would fully acknowledge the need for fans to question the board. But we are run very well as a club so why not give the board some credit and let them keep doing what they are obviously very good at, without questioning every little thing even though we have no facts to back it up.

    HA the move to the Emirates was crucial to making us competitive, but that was before sugar daddies decided to start buying clubs and moved the goalposts away from us. Whilst these people are allowed to pump unlimited funds into their clubs then 60000 stadium or not, we cannot compete with that.

  55. TotalArsenal says:

    26, the last paragraph I had to type ‘blind’ so could not review it before I pressed the ‘post comment’ button. What I meant was: why do you think it’s in our best interest not to get a new manager?

  56. If we hadn’t moved to the Emirates we wouldn’t have been any better off. We still wouldn’t be paying 200k wages to $$lut

  57. I’ve just bought 3 tickets for the Stoke game. Whatever the mangement it’s still the most exciting thing I can think of doing. (and that includes the mental rollercoaster I’m going on next week in Japan) so I’ll meet you at the tavern.

  58. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Goonermichael,

    Suger daddys are also bad for football, what would happen to Chelsea if Abramovich packed it in?. As for Uzmanovs intentions, no one realy knows and thats one of the reasons i dont like it.

  59. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Really trying to catch up on work after two days away, so sporadic comments from me.
    .
    TerryMancini.
    I love this attitude of yours at 12:06
    We “might still challenge for the league. If I’m wrong so what”.
    Reminds me of “I have principles and if you don’t like them, I have others”.

  60. Herb'sArmy says:

    GM,
    Good luck with your trip to Japan, hope you have an enjoyable holiday.

  61. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I want to know what Rasp knows.

  62. TotalArsenal says:

    Rasp @1.36 all fair comments. You said that we went into the second half against BB unprepared, which reminded me of a comment you made a week ago about how much better our tactics were in the second half against Dortmund (and your believe that Pat Rice does better team talks/tactics than the 32 year experienced pilot). Do you really believe that it was not the players who let Wenger down in the second half but vice versa?

  63. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rasp,
    Can I take you out for twelve pints of lager any time soon?

  64. Fatgingergooner says:

    Rasp,

    You’re not Arsene Wenger are you?

    Or a spurs fan…….?

    I am shocked Rasp….truly shocked!!!

  65. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Total,
    Sorry to barge in on your chat, but I mentioned to Peasches and Evonne the other night that I felt it was 100% down to the players to get us out of this rut.
    To my mind, Arsene is a crap motivator. Absolutely useless when the shit hits the fan. He goes to pieces as we have seen watching him at the end of last season.
    He’s great when things are going well. So I hope the experienced players will step up and lead. God knows what was said at half time against Blackburn, but my money says the players would have been told how lovely and wonderful they are!

  66. Rasp says:

    Hi TA,

    I have learnt a few things in management over the years and one of the most relevant is that a persons strengths can also be their weaknesses when applied in a different set of circumstances.

    The greatest leaders recognise this and employ others who can compliment their abilities – although they are usually unsung as often great ability is accompanied by great ego – Brian Clough is a classic example.

    I do not believe that AW’s motivational skills are as good as some because (as a past post pointed out) he has a romanticised vision of how the game should be played. Unfortunately, in the blood and thunder of battle, beauty sometimes comes second best to aggression and organisation.

  67. VCC says:

    MickyD ..I’ll chip in with a bottle of whiskey.

  68. Rasp says:

    Snap Micky :P

    FGG, no, I’m just someone with a free will who arrives at conclusions based on the evidence before him.

  69. TotalArsenal says:

    Micky :) Firstly I would like to say how very funny so many of your comments are. They are so witty and hilarious at times – a real treat!

    My wife sometimes reads them over my shoulder, and she said straigthaway the first time she did so: I bet he(she?) is a comedian in real life…. Could there be a grain of truth in that lucid statement?

    Re your 2.10 comment: is he really a crap motivator? Or does he have a different style than you and I would expect: a bit Ar-Zen like. Just think back about our 2nd half performances against Barca and Udinese away recently – they were big turnarounds…

  70. Thanks Herb
    I’m hoping to go to J league game while I’m there. Yokohama F Marinos are my adopted team over there. It’s a very different experience to English football

  71. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    When Arsene came to the Club, people like Lee Dixon, Dave Seaman etc were amazed at how quiet he was in the dresiing room.
    Cant remember the player who said it or the game, but it was said the angriest he got was when he hurled a paper cup in the changing room, and then immediately apologised.

    Arsene is of the theory that there must be no negativity and that the group must have harmony to function. Cant realy argue with his ideas considering how successful his teams have been.

  72. MickyDidIt89 says:

    TA,
    I am deadly serious all the time.
    Last season I felt he was on the verge of a total breakdown and wrote on here how for his own good he ought to take..oh I dont know, pills or something.

  73. Fatgingergooner says:

    Rasp,

    Secret evidence!? ;-)

  74. TotalArsenal says:

    Rasp @2.13 that is a very interesting comment. The problem is we (well maybe not you, but I for sure ;) ) are talking about a ‘black box’ here. If only we knew what is being said in the various dressing rooms: Arsenal’s, MU’s, MC’s, Real Madrid’s etc etc. I can only assume that Arsene has a more reflective and focussed motivational style than say Purple Nose, or Mourinho, or Rednapp. We do not only know how exactly they go about, but also not how effective their styles really are.

  75. 26may1989 says:

    Hi TA

    You ask me why I think it’s in our best interest not to get a new manager. The answer is pretty simple: in my opinion (no better informed than many others) I believe that Wenger still represents our best chance of progress and success. I still have faith.

    The squad went through its most radical overhaul since 1996 just a couple of weeks ago, and to think that we can understand what it’s likely to achieve already just seems ludicrous. And Wenger remains one of the most talented, experienced and astute coaches in the game.

    Terry Mancini Hair Transplant and I may be deluded, but I honestly believe that this side can still do well this season. I remain concerned about the thinness of our striking options, but in terms of personnel, I’m happy with things beyond that. The need for players to blend together, and in particular to find defensive stability, is the most important thing.

    The trouble is, as the Blackburn game showed, it’s all so fragile right now, both on the pitch and off it, with the fans’ mood after a good night in Dortmund instantly transformed to wailing and gnashing of teeth. We just need a quiet, boring run of one-goal victories, so we can creep up the table and allow the squad to settle down.

    Were we to do what the nutters want and do an Inter by sacking our manager before the season has got going, we’d be throwing everything away and risking it all on the unknown. I just don’t see enough to justify doing that. If we get to early December, and we’re still in the doldrums, maybe then we should take action. But now? Just madness.

  76. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Well said 26may.

    By the way, i like delusion, makes me feel like a full head of hair.

  77. Herb'sArmy says:

    The bottom-line is that this is probably the most defining point in our entire history.
    If we really can’t compete for the major trophies on offer, we might as well surrender and die as a football club. There is little point existing if we are only there to make the numbers up.

  78. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Dont be concerned Herb, sometise you have to retreat before you go forward. We will lose some battles but we will win the War

  79. TotalArsenal says:

    26, thanks and I agree. I guess for a lot of fans the unknown is more attractive now than sticking with what we got. But, they are not the BoD who have to make a decission with real involvement, taking into account the risks and opportunities.

    The key consideration is whether a potential replacement – if available – would with some certainty be an improvement on Arsene (taking into account the specific circumstances of our club operating model and subsequent limitations). I have written a ‘tongue in cheek’ post about it which will hopefully come out soon.

  80. 26may1989 says:

    Herb’sArmy

    1876 to 1930
    1954 to 1970
    1972 to 1979
    1980 to 1989
    2006 to date

    Those are the Arsenal fallow periods – a lot longer than the spasms of success we’ve enjoyed along the way. The club and its fans seem to have coped before, and I’m sure they would again.

    I agree that our increased resources are there to build our abilities on the pitch so that we can compete with the best, and I believe that we will do well even while the sugar daddy clubs are around (just not as well before that corrupt influence arrived). But even if we don’t see silverware soon, I don’t see why we should “surrender and die”.

  81. Herb'sArmy says:

    HI TMHT,
    I think until we hear from ‘Silent Stan’ it’s impossible not to be concerned.
    I must admit, I don’t have much confidence in UEFA implementing or enforcing the FFP sanctions, and we all know they hate the English. The 1985 Heysel Stadium fiasco proved that. Platini was in the Juventus side back then too.

  82. Fatgingergooner says:

    HA,

    There are 20 teams in this league and only 1 trophy, so what do you think keeps the other teams going? I believe it’s because they judge success differently. For newly promoted teams success is survival, For midtable sides success is a good cup run and maybe a top half finish. For top half clubs success is a European place. For top 6 clubs the CL places would be success. For the top 3 sides then winning the league is success. But this is where our problems are at the moment. Some people see us as a team that should be challenging for the league, some think top 4 is a success and some think that top 6 would be a success. We have lost our identity within the league and some people are willing to accept us moving down the pecking order more than others. I have no doubt at all that we can get back to being a top 3 club again, but for me, we are not that side at the moment and success should be seen as a top 4 finish right now. That doesnt say we are a failure and should fold as a club, it just means that given the current financial situation in the league we have adjusted our expectations.

  83. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi 26,
    Sadly since Murdoch took over the running of football the whole football landscape has changed, and it has allowed these unscrupulous ‘sugar daddies’ to buy into our institution and create ‘super-clubs’, leaving the rest behind.
    Funny you should refer to the period from 1886-1930, I wrote about it just the other day, saying how it puts our current ‘drought’ into proper perspective.

  84. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I share your concerns Herb, but we will always be there and there abouts.

    The future is an uncertain one for not only football but the world economy in general so lets see how things pang out. FFP will have an impact but your right to be cautious about it. Clubs like City will use there massive political and economic influence to generate money that falls within the rules. check out 26may @2.58 for some perspective.

  85. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Herb, how are you doing?

    @2.43 – that is a very fair point. It would be horrible if we would have to get used to such a scenario. Yet, so many clubs and their fans have been in that situation for the last twenty years, if not longer. What does the average Aston Villa or Everton supporter look forward to? Can one be a happy supporter whilst having to adopt low expectations? I guess they just take it game by game, and a win is something to still celebrate.

    We, on the other hand, have not adjusted our expectations at all, despite financial pressures as a result of building the new stadium and our competitors having acquired the dreaded ‘Sugar Daddies’. The only reason for that is Wenger, both because he always let us believe we could compete with the best, and our believe and trust in his phenomenal ability to produce winning, total football. Those high expectations make it hard to be a contented Arsenal supporter, but at least for now – under Wenger’s wings – we can still hope for winning something big again soon.

  86. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I see you have already checked 26mays post Herb, good man.

  87. 26may1989 says:

    Herb, quite right for correcting my typo: 1886. Apols!

  88. Peaches
    If you read this. Could you please text me the results of the next 3 matches? I’d really appreciate it. I won’t have any internet access but my phone will work. See you all later. Let’s hope we start gelling as a team the squad is basically there give or take.

  89. 26may1989 says:

    GM: To save Peaches the trouble, here they are now: Arse 10 Bolton 0; Arse 6 Olympiacos 0; and Spurs 0 Arse 8.

    :)

  90. TotalArsenal says:

    Enjoy your football-free hols GM – if that is possible for you? :P

  91. 26
    Thanks. I’m going to a J-league match. My team over there are worse than Arsenal.

  92. Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood has contradicted Joey Barton’s claims that he might have signed for the Gunners if he had not been involved with an incident against the club on the opening day of the Premier League season.

    Barton, now with QPR, said that a scuffle with Gervinho on the opening day of the season when Newcastle held the Gunners put paid to a move that he had discussed with Arsene Wenger.

    But Hill-Wood told The Daily Star, “It’s not something the board heard about and if it was a serious proposition I certainly would have expected us to.”

  93. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi TA,
    Good thanks mate, hope you’re ok yourself. You posed the very same question that I was about to ask myself regarding Everton.
    They’re one of the original founder members of the Football League and have only ever been out of the top division for 4 years in all that time. Worrying times for such a great footballing institution.
    No worries 26, I didn’t notice myself until you pointed it out. (I’d do a smiley, but haven’t a clue how they work!)

  94. Ferguson has shown hismelf adept at stealing players from under his rivals’ noses in the past, famously infuriating then-Blackburn boss Kenny Dalglish when he persuaded Roy Keane to join United, despite the midfielder having already agreed in principle to move to Rovers from Nottingham Forest.

    what about Ramsey and Ox then? flipping red nose wally (see peaches I can be good)

  95. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Herb, if you point your (mouse) arrow over a smiley face it will tell you the simple instruction of how to make it yourself for example a double colon : followed by a ) will make a smiley face, whilst a : followed by a ( will make a sad face…

  96. London says:

    A very thought provoking post FGG. I was developing the view that it is the fans that are unable to go to the games that are the persistent moaners, this view was enforced by the superb support that the crowd showed the team and the manager on Tuesday but reading your post I realise that I might have to rethink things. In the words of a blogger I always admired for his unwavering support, you FGG are a star.

  97. Fatgingergooner says:

    Thanks London,

    I feel I may have isolated myself somewhat with certain points that I have made today, espescially when pointing out that certain sectors of our fans have unrealistic views of wether this club can challenge for honours right now. As someone who doesn’t go to games, I must say it is difficult not to crumble under the constant propaganda that is fed to us by our media. I can understand why fans hold the view that AW is not the right man for this club, after all, that point is pushed upon them everyday by the red tops. But things are not always black and white, and unfortunately for us fans, waters don’t come any murkier than the moat that surrounds Arsenal football club right now.

  98. Afternoon all, stirring post in defence of our manager FGG, well done.

    For me it is the disrespect and rudeness that laces some comments about Wenger that makes them null and void, I can’t see the need to talk like that about a fellow human being, let alone one who has brought our club so much, and who without his leadership would not have been able to fill the Emirates or have a Season Ticket waiting list as long as your arm.

    How’s this for a thought, what if the 5,000 or so fans who went away from the club at the end of last season were the lucky ones attracted during the glory years who got Season Tickets when we moved from Highbury. But now the team has fallen on trophy less times they have decided not to renew.

    Yes people have jumped 5-10,000 places, there is still another 30,000 behind them, its not like 5,000 failed to renew and then no one bought them, that would be a worry.

    More examples of press idiocy and feeding frenzy:

    The Sun Newspaper:

    21.09.11 Arsenal v Shrewsbury Match Report
    The attendance — 46,539 — was the lowest since Arsenal moved to the Emirates in 2006 and those supporters will be acutely aware that they could be in for a very long season.

    21.09.11 Wenger Fumes at Confidence Vote
    The crowd of 46,539 was the lowest attendance at the Emirates since it was opened in 2006 — despite ticket prices being dropped to just £20.

    22.09.11 Man City v Birmingham
    No mention of crowd numbers.

    Here’s what pisses me off:
    Emirates 77% full
    Etihad (25,070 attend) 52% full
    Ticket prices were £18 or £15 at Etihad Stadium.

    But obviously the biggest cause for concern were at the Emirates…of course it is because we are a club in crisis!

    And while I’m at it lets have a look at this:

    Daily Mail
    20.09.11 Leeds 0 Manchester United 3: Owen at the double as Reds ease past old rivals
    20.09.11 Arsenal 3 Shrewsbury 1: Oxlade-Chamberlain strikes to save Wenger’s blushes

    Now you’d think that Man Utd game was more one sided than the Arsenal one reading those two headlines, here’s the stats

    Leeds v ManUtd

    Possession 39% – 61%
    Shots 10 – 10
    On Target 2 – 3
    Fouls 18 – 15
    Corners 3 – 7
    Offside 5 – 1

    Arsenal v Shrewsbury
    Possession 65% – 35%
    Shots 17 – 8
    On Target 10 – 2
    Fouls 5 – 2
    Corners 8 – 3
    Offside 2 – 4

    So Arsenal were better than Man Utd in every stat in comparison to their rivals yet Wenger had blushes spared whilst Fergie’s men eased through.

    It is just biased nonsense and I really wish fans would stop feeding on the tripe that is being served up.

    Rant over

  99. chas says:

    Great post FGGoon,

    It makes no difference if I say enough is enough because it would change nothing except make it harder for me to go to Arsenal matches.
    I’ll support AW while he’s manager of the club and support his successor likewise. ( I realise completely that this attitude is not conducive to interesting blogging :) )

  100. Fatgingergooner says:

    I used the word propaganda in my previous post (wether it’s spelt correctly is another matter!) but that is exactly what is being fed to our fans right now.

    It’s disgusting that this type of media intervention can cost someone his job. It’s fair to say that all football clubs have fans that get there information from red tops, and for them to have to open pages and read this shit is shocking.

  101. 26may1989 says:

    Excellent rant there Exile!

    The thing that pissed me off is the failure of the press to mention that Man City, with all their amazing, committed fans, didn’t even fill their (sorry, Manchester City Council’s) stadium for City’s first ever CL game. How pathetic is that??

  102. Red Arse says:

    Here is some food for thought, Guys.

    Most of us have our opinions, but, again, most are prepared to admit that we have no real inside knowledge of the workings of Arsenal just gut feelings.
    Within professional football itself, other managers do get to hear things on the grapevine and here is what Owen Coyle had to say about Arsene, ahead of the match

    — “Arsene Wenger is one of the best managers in world football, and always will be, but we have to accept football is a game of opinions and criticism comes along the way.

    “I feel he is the perfect fit for Arsenal though, given their history and tradition and the way they have evolved over the years.
    Yes, they would like a trophy, but look at the players he has brought to the club.

    “Maybe if he had the same resources as other managers of the biggest clubs, you would see an Arsenal side with different personnel.” —

    That final paragraph is telling in my opinion.

  103. 26may1989 says:

    FGG, what makes it worse is just how decent and reasonable Wenger is with the very same journalists – just watch one of his press conferences, in which he answers, rather than evades, pretty much every question. In stark contrast with other managers, he is direct, eloquent and helpful, giving insights into the game and life in general. And what do those journos do once they’re back at the desk? Often as not, stick the knife in.

    Maybe he should just do a Fergie, ignore PL rules and just refuse to do press conferences. Or do we think the PL would suddenly remember it can punish managers for that, having allowed Fergie to get away with it for years?

  104. Red Arse says:

    Just a passing thought.

    Everyone who has commented on AA about the ‘gutter press’, the ‘red tops’, the ‘media circus’ etc seems to be totally unimpressed and indeed dismissive of what they read.

    If the press’s intention is to make us believe their crap, surely they have singularly failed. If they have failed – then why the continuing angst about what they write?

  105. VCC says:

    GiE 4:43 = Good stats.
    I.ve said for years the press/media are anti Arsenal and Pro ManUre.
    Also referees, stands to reason more refs support the Devils so consequently they would get advantageous decisions. Simplictic as it sounds but your eyes don’t tell lies.

  106. 26may1989 says:

    Cos we’re not everyone RA! And the panic merchants among Arse fans (who are now the Bolsheviks to our Mensheviks) lap up all that redtop garbage, as being biblical truth. And that translates into the assault on reason that we see from them all the time now.

    (I think I managed to get six metaphors into two sentences there – my English teacher would be horrified!)

  107. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    There is nothing the press like better in this country than toppling giants, and Arsene is a giant in football. They pander to the publics need of ‘the bigger they are the harder they fall’. thats why they go to town on Arsene. Citys attendence the other night, thats not news, coz no one gives a crap.

  108. Red Arse says:

    Hi Herb, :-)

    Nice to see you back in the land of blogdom.

    You said earlier that we might as well surrender and die as a football club if we could not compete for trophies, and that there is little point existing if we are only there to make up the numbers.

    Well I simply do not see things that way.

    I frequently watch amateur Sunday morning football at a park near where I live. Why? Simply because I enjoy it, even tho’ the standard is as far from professional football as could be imagined. The enthusiasm, the effort, the striving to win is absolutely gripping – in fact awesome!

    Why do I mention this? Well, because it might explain why I would support Arsenal whatever happens, even including relegation, in the unlikely event that happened.

    Of course I want Arsenal to win trophies and become the masters of the Universe, but that is not a precondition of my support.

    Surrender and die? Never! Never! :-)

  109. Red Arse says:

    26,

    That is Russian, Yiddish and a Christian term all in one sentence too. Blow your teacher – you got the message across. I am mightily impressed!! :-)

  110. Fatgingergooner says:

    RA,

    The angst stems from people using red top propaganda to make their arguments stand up. People say things like ‘ Arsene should be sacked because he wouldn’t spend £1m on Alonso’ or ‘Arsenal fans are no longer behind Arsene, just look at the CC attendance’. This is fans believing things they have read are gospel.

  111. VCC says:

    TMHT = “thats not news, coz no one gives a crap” = lmfao.

  112. Fatgingergooner says:

    The press assault on Arsene feels very personal. It doesn’t come across as being the press vs Arsenal, it comes across as the press vs Arsene.

    I’m not sure if it was his early days in English football that has upset them, but certainly there is some sort of grudge knocking around and they are loving every minute of this apparent Arsene struggle.

    I would love to see him take this current Arsenal team to success. To me, it would feel like a Rocky movie! I think I would cry tears of joy if Arsene could lift another trophy with Arsenal FC

  113. Red Arse says:

    Agreed Auburn One. And by the way, you do not stand alone in making some of your comments.

    I do understand the sentiments expressed about the meedja, and I am sure some of the cobblers rubs off on some fellow Gooners.

    It’s just that I don’t understand why that should matter quite as much as it obviously does. If there are those fans unable to divorce ridiculous, indeed crapulously, vindictive newspaper stories from the truth — well what can you do?

    Perhaps they also believe the world is flat, or that the streets of London are paved with gold. [Rasper -- does that qualify for abuse of others? Oh bugger!! :-) ]

  114. kelsey says:

    i was also wondering why our chairman uses the Daily Star as his one and only mouthpiece, so I did a bit of research.Richard Desmond’s Northern and Shell Group own the paper plus other interests including channel 5. he is from north London has worked for charity with Roger Daltrey (another gooner) so maybe he is an Arsenal fan himself and has connections with the club.Nothing more simple than that.

  115. VCC says:

    FGG , I cry tears of joy all the time when we win a trophy.
    Also cried once in Belgium when we lost on penalties to Valencia. It was allowed then cos I was much younger, lol.

  116. Red Arse says:

    FaGiGo,

    Me too! I have previously commented (too often I suppose) that I wish Arsene would just occasionally conduct an interview a la Sir Red Nose. reject deliberately leading questions (refer to 26) or talk at the Press rather than with them.

    Their copy would dry up, so to speak, and they may become more circumspect in how they report him.

    Sadly, unlike me, he is too nice. Sometimes nasty is better!! :-)

    Rasp — someone with huge authority — I responded to 26 @ 5:25 and was thrown into “moderation”. Por quoi?

  117. kelsey says:

    The media hatred of Arsenal will never cease until we perhaps have an Engish manager and 11 english players locally born of course on the pitch, and even then they will invent something else .aturally that will never happen so I chose to ignore all of them apart from Patrick Barclay who at least is a gentleman.

  118. kelsey says:

    RA,

    Good evening to you.

    Have you ever thought of the upbringing and totally different personalities of AW and SAF maybe that accounts for more than you think.

  119. RockyLives says:

    Very well argued piece FGG

    I’m pretty much in sympathy with what you say. And like TMHT I have a sneaky feeling we could be in touch with the title race during the run-in (which I know makes me certifiable in many people’s eyes).

    Which is not to say I don’t have moments of doubt, and of wondering whether AW really has it in him to take us back to glory.

    The many references to dark goings-on at the club from people with inside sources can’t help but unsettle one.

    GiE @4.43
    A perfect example of journos bending inconvenient facts to fit their preconceived narratives. Well done Sir!

  120. Red Arse says:

    And John Cross of the Mirror, Kelsey. He is an avowed Gooner. :-)

    There are some out there.

    Kelsey, Rasp is probably in the bog again, so can you un-moderste me? :-) I hate that — it feels like imprisonment and my keyboard is in turmoil!!!

  121. Fatgingergooner says:

    Kelsey,

    we perhaps have an Engish manager and 11 english players locally born of course on the pitch

    Would it have to be the Queen giving birth aswell????

    Or do we need the Lord himself create a squad of 22 from grass seed!? Aslong as he doesn’t mess up the Emirates pitch of course!!!

  122. kelsey says:

    RA,

    I don’t know what happened there .Blame it on Rasp, good idea.

  123. Red Arse says:

    Kelsey,

    I have absolutely no doubt that Arsene has been brought up with exquisite manners, and would never confuse him with SAF.

    These self same journos who do so much damage to his reputation, all, to a man, praise him for his transparency, integrity and basic decency.

    Now THAT is the real scandal. :-(

  124. Red Arse says:

    Thanks Kelsey. :-)

    It doesn’t really matter. 26 has probably gone for his evening kip before he rises again at the witching hour and frequents the early hours with GIE. :-)

  125. 26may1989 says:

    RA, my guess is that your post was quarantined because either the word (and I’ll use an asterisk just to avoid the same fate) “y*ddish” fell foul of the anti-anti-semitic filter or because you were complimenting me, and the system just ain’t used to that. One or the other.

    :)

  126. RockyLives says:

    The journos even started to turn on the purple-faced Gorbalian a few years back when he hadn’t won anything for three seasons. For a while they smelled blood and were snapping at his heels.

    Then Utd started putting a run of results together and the criticism eased off. Now, of course, he is God in most hacks’ eyes.

    That’s the only way we’ll get the press off our backs – slowly building a solid run of results.

    Although I do think that even when we are successful there is still a residual bias against us in the media – it’s just that it’s less overpowering and all-encompassing than what we’re experiencing now.

  127. Red Arse says:

    26,

    Well I made up for it at 5:52. :-)

    Is y*dd*sh anti-semitic? I will have to update my memory banks, if so.

    In my ignorance I thought it was a Jewish dialectical language based on the German language. Gulp!

    I have been taught any number of Y*dd*sh words (mostly rude) by the friends I made during my ‘rag trade’ period! Schmucks! :-)

  128. kelsey says:

    it is not anti semetic in fact many words are used by non jews in every day speech

  129. 26may1989 says:

    Y*dd*sh is a spectacular language, one senses the meaning of a word before being told the definition – magnificent.

    OK, I have to disappear off to convince a bunch of victims, sorry clients, that they really want to spend their money on us…..

    See you lot later.

  130. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rocky, :-)

    I suspect some of the Kowtowing to Sir Purple Proboscis is because he bans them from his press conferences if they don’t report what he wants them too.

    With such a large fan base, the papers proprietors do not want to lose the circulation to the Manyoo fans, and would rather lose the journo! He knows it – they know it – and they also know Arsene would never descend to such blatant if insidious threats. Makes him easy meat!

  131. Evening again, interesting debating today by all concerned as ever on AA.

    Great quote by Owen Coyle as seen in RA’s 5:02pm, but of course like Fergie it will be seen as not fearing him anymore by the more negative elements of our fan base.

    Heard Ray Parlour on the radio earlier today or last night (I am not sure they have blended into one). But he said that he thought it was a lot easier to win a trophy playing for the Arsenal in his era, his words (maybe slightly paraphrased):

    “If we didn’t win it United would, and vice versa, now you have Chelsea, City, Spurs and Liverpool all up competing as well which wasn’t the case when we were playing”.

  132. GOONERMICHAEL says:

    THERE ARE A LOT OF Y IDD ISH WORDS IN POLARI. TOO. can’t work the caps on phone

  133. kelsey says:

    some of these words will be familiar

    baleboste
    A good homemaker, a woman who’s in charge of her home and will make sure you remember it.
    bissel
    Or bisl – a little bit.
    bubbe
    Or bobe. It means Grandmother, and bobeshi is the more affectionate form. Bubele is a similarly affectionate word, though it isn’t in Yiddish dictionaries.
    bupkes
    Not a word for polite company. Bubkes or bobkes may be related to the Polish word for “beans”, but it really means “goat droppings” or “horse droppings.” It’s often used by American Jews for “trivial, worthless, useless, a ridiculously small amount” – less than nothing, so to speak. “After all the work I did, I got bupkes!”
    chutzpah
    Or khutspe. Nerve, extreme arrogance, brazen presumption. In English, chutzpah often connotes courage or confidence, but among Yiddish speakers, it is not a compliment.
    feh!
    An expression of disgust or disapproval, representative of the sound of spitting.
    glitch
    Or glitsh. Literally “slip,” “skate,” or “nosedive,” which was the origin of the common American usage as “a minor problem or error.”
    gornisht
    More polite than bupkes, and also implies a strong sense of nothing; used in phrases such as “gornisht helfn” (beyond help).

    kibbitz
    In Yiddish, it’s spelled kibets, and it’s related to the Hebrew “kibbutz” or “collective.” But it can also mean verbal joking, which after all is a collective activity. It didn’t originally mean giving unwanted advice about someone else’s game – that’s an American innovation.
    klutz
    Or better yet, klots. Literally means “a block of wood,” so it’s often used for a dense, clumsy or awkward person. See schlemiel.

    kvetsh
    In popular English, kvetch means “complain, whine or fret,” but in Yiddish, kvetsh literally means “to press or squeeze,” like a wrong-sized shoe. Reminds you of certain chronic complainers, doesn’t it? But it’s also used on Yiddish web pages for “click” (Click Here).
    maven
    Pronounced meyven. An expert, often used sarcastically.
    Mazel Tov
    Or mazltof. Literally “good luck,” (well, literally, “good constellation”) but it’s a congratulation for what just happened, not a hopeful wish for what might happen in the future. When someone gets married or has a child or graduates from college, this is what you say to them. It can also be used sarcastically to mean “it’s about time,” as in “It’s about time you finished school and stopped sponging off your parents.”
    mentsh
    An honorable, decent person, an authentic person, a person who helps you when you need help. Can be a man, woman or child.
    mishegas
    Insanity or craziness. A meshugener is a crazy man. If you want to insult someone, you can ask them, ”Does it hurt to be crazy?”
    mishpocheh
    Or mishpokhe or mishpucha. It means “family,” as in “Relax, you’re mishpocheh. I’ll sell it to you at wholesale.”
    nosh
    Or nash. To nibble; a light snack, but you won’t be light if you don’t stop noshing. Can also describe plagarism, though not always in a bad sense; you know, picking up little pieces for yourself.
    nu
    A general word that calls for a reply. It can mean, “So?” “Huh?” “Well?” “What’s up?” or “Hello?”
    oy vey
    Exclamation of dismay, grief, or exasperation. The phrase “oy vey iz mir” means “Oh, woe is me.” “Oy gevalt!” is like oy vey, but expresses fear, shock or amazement. When you realize you’re about to be hit by a car, this expression would be appropriate.
    plotz
    Or plats. Literally, to explode, as in aggravation. “Well, don’t plotz!” is similar to “Don’t have a stroke!” or “Don’t have a cow!” Also used in expressions such as, “Oy, am I tired; I just ran the four-minute mile. I could just plotz.” That is, collapse.

    shlep
    To drag, traditionally something you don’t really need; to carry unwillingly. When people “shlep around,” they are dragging themselves, perhaps slouchingly. On vacation, when I’m the one who ends up carrying the heavy suitcase I begged my wife to leave at home, I shlep it.
    shlemiel
    A clumsy, inept person, similar to a klutz (also a Yiddish word). The kind of person who always spills his soup.
    schlock
    Cheap, shoddy, or inferior, as in, “I don’t know why I bought this schlocky souvenir.”
    shlimazel
    Someone with constant bad luck. When the shlemiel spills his soup, he probably spills it on the shlimazel. Fans of the TV sitcom “Laverne and Shirley” remember these two words from the Yiddish-American hopscotch chant that opened each show.
    shmendrik
    A jerk, a stupid person, popularized in The Last Unicorn and Welcome Back Kotter.
    shmaltzy
    Excessively sentimental, gushing, flattering, over-the-top, corny. This word describes some of Hollywood’s most famous films. From shmaltz, which means chicken fat or grease.
    shmooze
    Chat, make small talk, converse about nothing in particular. But at Hollywood parties, guests often schmooze with people they want to impress.
    schmuck
    Often used as an insulting word for a self-made fool, but you shouldn’t use it in polite company at all, since it refers to male anatomy.
    spiel
    A long, involved sales pitch, as in, “I had to listen to his whole spiel before I found out what he really wanted.” From the German word for play.
    shmutz
    Or shmuts. Dirt – a little dirt, not serious grime. If a little boy has shmutz on his face, and he likely will, his mother will quickly wipe it off. It can also mean dirty language. It’s not nice to talk shmutz about shmutz. A current derivation, “schmitzig,” means a “thigamabob” or a “doodad,” but has nothing to do with filth.
    shtick
    Something you’re known for doing, an entertainer’s routine, an actor’s bit, stage business; a gimmick often done to draw attention to yourself.

    tsuris
    Or tsores. Serious troubles, not minor annoyances. Plagues of lice, gnats, flies, locusts, hail, death… now, those were tsuris.
    tuches
    Rear end, bottom, backside, buttocks. In proper Yiddish, it’s spelled tuchis or tuches or tokhis, and was the origin of the American slang word tush.
    yente
    Female busybody or gossip. At one time, high-class parents gave this name to their girls (after all, it has the same root as “gentle”), but it gained the Yiddish meaning of “she-devil”. The matchmaker in “Fiddler on the Roof” was named Yente (and she certainly was a yente though maybe not very high-class), so many people mistakenly think that yente means matchmaker.

  134. Red Arse says:

    Polaris, GM?

    Isn’t that the name of the Pole Star?

    Aren’t you flying over the North Pole? :-)

  135. RockyLives says:

    GM
    Polari? Is that what they speak in Antarctica?

    Hello Redders :)
    I take pleasure in the fact that we have an urbane manager (as opposed to a Glaswegian whisky gargler.

  136. kelsey says:

    anyone want to do a post in part yiddish….no, i thought so.

  137. GOONERMICHAEL says:

    polari is gayspeak as in varder her

  138. Red Arse says:

    Kelsey, that is terrific! :-)

    So when my friends in the rag trade said to me “Kish mir in tuchas” it really did mean “you are right”! :-)

    I once was given a tour of a cutting room, where I was told that I should thank the cutters for showing me how they worked, and the correct term for cutters was “schmucks”.

    So I said “I would like to thank all you schmucks for being kind enough to give up your time to show me your work”. When they burst out laughing, the guy who had told me what to say to them, whispered “No, no it’s schmackle”.
    So I said “I am sorry I understand that you are all schmackles”. They all cracked up, much to my bewilderment.

    A goy in a cutter’s world!! :-)

  139. Red Arse says:

    Gm,

    I am none the wiser. Perhaps I should not ask! :-)

    Rocky, very true.

    Got to go.

    Ta ra Guys! :-)

  140. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    What realy does my head in is how pundits on sky and bbc gonad suck Fergie. Believe me there is a lot of fear out there of Fergie and his gonads.

  141. kelsey says:

    Red Arse,
    there is more behind you than I thought or maybe I should have said in front of you ;)

  142. Red Arse says:

    Kelsey, :-)

    really gone now!

  143. Big Raddy says:

    RA. 6.52 That was very funny.

    kelsey. Good to have a dictionary of words I have never understood, despite being a native North Londoner, and being an ex-pat in more than one sense :-)

  144. Big Raddy says:

    Just googled Polari. The things one learns on this blog!!

  145. Rasp says:

    RA,

    I didn’t put you in moderation, you must have used the only banned word on here – the one 26m alluded to :)

  146. FrothingInarticulateLoon says:

    Thats the spirit FGG. Mr SharkeySure told me you’d written a corker today, and here I am, back from beyond.

    Never been to Emirates…??!! That’s a real shame and something you want to get fixed asap if you can.

    Until then make sure you’ve watched the One Night at the Emirates video (its on the sidebar?)

    That’ll give you the impetus and energy to forsake all the trivia in your life (wife kids work etc) and give you more focus on what your true goal and purpose in life should be.

    Once your main goals are achieved then make space for some trivia if they’ve had the good sense to wait for your return. Tell them that on Thursday nights your all theirs.

    Hope this has helped, and – boa suerte, bon chance, gan ba tte !!!.

  147. FrothingInarticulateLoon says:

    Oh and Evening All.

    Anyone need a hot horse racing tip…??

  148. SharkeySure says:

    PeachySue loving Le Coq,
    Rasps DM todger
    Kelseys family site
    GM’s sewer rat
    Chas querying said rats use of snorkel

    And so many others…..including the joyous unadulterated nonsense that had Stix first scratching his head and then joining in

    ArsenalArsenal always worth a read back absolutely always.

    Tear in my eye

  149. Evening all – so who’s around for the Tavern on Saturday ?

    A controversial question posed by our stout red haired chap, one which, due to my mellow mood, think it best I don’t answer.

  150. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi RA,
    Sorry, I may have missed you, but if you’re still reading the point I was making was more in reference that we moved from our spiritual home of Highbury to a world-class all-seated 60,000 capacity stadium so that we could stay competitive.
    Support for Arsenal is unconditional, and the love of football inherant.
    When I was a kid, morning noon and night revolved around football whether it be in the school-playground or in the local park after school with 20 a-side games that used to go on until it was literally too dark to see the ball. In my mind I always wanted to be Charlie George, and memories such as those are priceless.
    As a kid I used to watch the Sunday morning Pub teams. Grass-roots football is/was the point from which every other level of football sprouted and for me is every bit as valid as any Premier League football.
    Sadly, today a lot of parks are empty because rather than develop any natural footballing ability, most kids would rather do it pushing buttons on games consoles.
    My support and love for Arsenal is as much a part of me as the air that I breathe, whether we are top of the Premier League or 24th in the Blue Square Conference. My statement was meant in conjunction with moving to a £400+million stadium.

    .

  151. Fatgingergooner says:

    FIL,

    The name suits your blogging loonacy!!!

    The fiancé is Le Boss right now, but the Emirates is definitely on the bucket list.

    As for Thursday nights, Celebrity Juice holds all my attention. Should give you an idea as to the size of IQ you are currently talking to!

    Send my thanks to SS, glad he is spreading the word.

  152. VCC says:

    Golf and Bees

    A young woman had been taking golf lessons.
    She had just started playing her first round
    Of golf when she suffered a bee sting.
    Her pain was so intense that she decided to
    Return to the clubhouse for help and to complain.
    Her golf pro saw her come in to the clubhouse
    And asked, ‘Why are you back in so early?
    What’s wrong?’
    I was stung by a bee’, she said.
    ‘Where’, he asked.

    ‘Between the first and second hole’, she replied.
    He nodded knowingly and said,

    Then your Stance is too wide.’

  153. VCC says:

    For his birthday, little Joseph asked for a 10-speed bicycle. His father said, “Son, we’d give you one, but the mortgage on this house is $280,000 & your mother just lost her job. There’s no way we can afford it.” The next day the father saw little Joseph heading out the front door with a suitcase. So he asked, “Son, where are you going?” little Joseph told him; “I was walking past your room last night and heard you telling mom you were pulling out. Then I heard her tell you to wait because she was coming too. And I’ll be damned if I’m staying here by myself with a $280,000 mortgage & no bike.

  154. SharkeySure says:

    Two crackers there VCC…2nd one’s an ‘olden but golden’ for a very good reason. The first one will surely follow suit. :-)

  155. VCC says:

    Cheers SharkeySure. Gunner5 may be on later with some of his ones.

  156. VCC says:

    Quote from Joey Barton.

    “The first day’s the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in, hand you your striped uniform and force you to pose for the photographer while loads of fat, tattooed, skinheads shout abuse at you. That’s when you know it’s for real. A whole life blown away in the blink of an eye. Nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. That’s when it hits home. That’s when you realise you’ve signed for Newcastle.”

  157. Jamie says:

    On the subject of the article. My own breaking point has arrived.

    For me, if Arsenal were not to win against Bolton, Olimpiakos and at least get a point at Spurs, given the dreadful start the current regime have presided over. That would be enough for me with the Wenger thing.

    Good sides have bad runs but our form since the carling cup final is not acceptable at a club of this size and stature.

    Gazidis might have plans for another ten years of Wenger but I’m not sure I do and I’m not sure I could continue to back a regime that has failed to spend a pound (net) in six year despite the club continually slipping backwards.

    If Wengers Arsenal are a good aide then they will react and get the results. If they don’t then Im not sure I’m still with the program. Not just Wenger but a board that don’t spend.

  158. VCC says:

    Jamie…I take on board what you say about 2 wins and at least a draw in the next 3 games, but under normal circumstances this is a difficult programme. Has it come to the point that we need to win every game in front of us?
    I will get shot down in flames on this site, but my main gripe with Wenger is he persists with no hopers, like Djourou, and even making him captain in our last game. This guy should be told to find another club as IMO he will never make the grade with a top flight club in the premiership.

  159. VCC – no shooting of flames by me; it’s strange some players get chance after chance whereas others get shipped out after very few chances.
    As a certain pointy eared Vulcan would say “Illogical, Captain”

  160. SharkeySure says:

    I don’t think anyone has EVER been shot down in flames on ths site !!

    I’m no fan of Djourou, and whilst I weren’t happy to see him skippering the side there really weren’t too many candidates. Benny the Goon comes closest I guess.

  161. SharkeySure says:

    Jamie, so wimns to get us into the CL Groups and a good performance in Germany count for nowt already..??

    I see that Inter have sacked their manager after 5 games. Yep five games. Those are the only details I know and yet I can still stick my neck out and say its ridiculous. If it turns out its cos he was a Mafia hitman on the side then fair enough.

    I lok at Chelsea’sturnover of managers and think no thanks. I look at their ‘net spend’ on Torres and feel that case simply argues itself.

    At Arsenal ‘net spend’ is a an unusual yardstick to use, when you are buying an RVP with low mileage for under £3m and selling a temperamental (emphasis on ‘mental’) Adebayor for £25m That really is how meaningless the net spend can be.

    Fabregas. In, £500k, Out £35-40m. Net spend lol (respectfully)

    Tommy V £10m vs Kolo ‘Slim Shakes’ Toure £14m.

  162. SharkeySure says:

    Alright Chary…long time. I’ve been a bit scarce myself of late.

    Who would you say had few chances. I’m struggling a little bit on that one, as most/many seem to hang around for quite a bit

  163. VCC says:

    Well Sharkey, for my faults I say it as it is (imo) and I have been put down for daring to criticise some young gunners on here. It seems bloggers along with Wenger can’t admit/tell these guys they are not good enough in the top flight.
    Djourou has played a few good games so becomes immuned to critisism. but he is a catalogue of disasters. If Wenger had sorted his spine and particularly Centre backs out I’m convinced we would not be in the shambles we are now.
    We are crying out for proven Centre Halves (why can;t he see this).
    Like the majority on here I’m confident with the rest of our squad and really believe we can push for honours.

  164. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    What a fantastic football club Arsenal, and what joy to be a gooner.

  165. gunnern5 says:

    Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson were on a camping trip.
    After a good dinner, washed down with a bottle of wine they retired to their tent.

    Several hours later Holmes awoke and nudged Watson.
    “Watson, look up in the sky and tell me what you see”
    Watson replied “I see millions of stars”
    “Yes and what does that tell you, Watson?”
    He pondered for a moment and then said.
    “Astronomically, It tells us that there are millions of galaxies and billions of planets”
    “Astrologically, I observe that Saturn is in Leo”
    Horologic-ally, I deduce that the time is roughly a quarter past three”
    Meteorologically, I suspect that tomorrow will be a beautiful day”

    Holmes responded “Watson, you dummy, someone has stolen our tent”

  166. VCC says:

    TMHT…I love being a Gooner. It’s been a life time of admiration, even the darkest times I have worn my Red and White with pride.
    I’m hurting badly at the moment but have faith in Wenger. All he needs is a quick drink down my local and I will tell him where he needs to tweak his squad.

  167. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    VCC,

    I will send him over immediatly.

  168. VCC says:

    gunner5….anyone….fancy a late night “Best Tommy Cooper joke” ?

  169. gunnern5 says:

    One of my all time favourites would be……

    The wife had a go at me last night.

    She said “You’ll drive me to my grave”

    It took me thirty seconds to start the car………………….

  170. gunnern5 says:

    A Policeman stopped me last night.

    He says “I’d like to follow you to the nearest Police Station”

    I said “What for”

    He said “I’ve forgotten the way”

  171. VCC says:

    TMHT
    What’s his mobile number? I’ll phone him myself now. Tell him the squad should/could’ve been =
    Szez
    Sagna Samba Cahill Enrique
    Song
    Wilshere Arteta
    RVP Ox
    Gerv.

    Now tell me doubters that we can’t challenge on all fronts.

    NOT forgetting we will have Vermaelen back when he is fit.

    The accountants will say where are we getting the money from but I’m sure we could afford this squad.

  172. VCC says:

    I met this bloke with a didgeridoo and he was playing Dancing Queen on it. I thought, thats aboriginal

  173. gunnern5 says:

    My friend told me that his dog didn’t eat meat.

    I asked him “Why not?

    He said “Because we don’t give him any”

  174. gunnern5 says:

    My boy scout leader told me to pitch my tent.

    i couldn’t find any pitch, so I used creosote.

  175. gunnern5 says:

    I’ve always been unlucky.

    Even my rocking horse died.

  176. gunnern5 says:

    Got home from work and the wife told me that the cat had eaten my dinner.

    I told her not to worry as I’d get her another cat……………..

  177. gunnern5 says:

    Most times idrink my scotch neat.

    At other times I loosen my tie and take off my jacket.

  178. VCC says:

    This lorry full of tortoises collided with a van full of terrapins. It was a Turtle disaster

  179. gunnern5 says:

    Slept like a log last night.

    Woke up in the fireplace…………

  180. gunnern5 says:

    “Doc, I keep hummimg The green green grass of home.”

    “Is that normal”

    “Well it’s not unusual”

  181. VCC says:

    I told my girlfriend I had a job in a bowling alley. She said “Tenpin”?
    I said, No, permanent.

  182. gunnern5 says:

    Went to see my psychiatrist wearing only clingfilm as shorts.

    He said “Well it’s easy to see your nuts”

  183. VCC says:

    Hey, gunner5…. We had better stop this, cos we will be moderated.
    We should be talking about the subject in hand. I’m off.
    Don’t want to get banned.

  184. gunnern5 says:

    Bought my wife a wooden leg for Christmas.

    Just as a stocking filler……………

  185. VCC says:

    gunner5…Your mad.

  186. gunnern5 says:

    What do you acll afish with no eyes?

    A FSH……………….

  187. VCC says:

    So am I.
    I’ve just been told off. he he

  188. gunnern5 says:

    Two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar.
    One says ” I think I’ve lost an electron”

    “Are you sure”?

    “Yes I’m positive”

  189. VCC says:

    gunner5..do you live in Spain?

  190. gunnern5 says:

    No in London.

  191. gunnern5 says:

    Got home and the phone was ringing.

    i picked it up and said “Who’s speaking”

    A voice replied “You are”

  192. gunnern5 says:

    Dentist said say “Aaah”

    I asked “Why”

    He said “My dog died”

  193. gunnern5 says:

    A neutron asks the bartender for a beer.

    “how much will that be”, asked the neutron.

    “For you, no charge”

  194. VCC says:

    I went to a pet shop. I said. “Can I buy a goldfish?” The guy said, “Do you want an Aquarium?” I said, “I don”t care what star sign it is”

  195. gunnern5 says:

    I was getting into my car when a stranger asked if I could give him a lift.

    I said no problem – you look great.

  196. gunnern5 says:

    VCC; That’s London, Ontario, Canada.

  197. VCC says:

    Tommy Cooper jokes = Depends how much alcohol you have consumed.
    Have you seen Jethro?

  198. gunnern5 says:

    I had a ploughman’s lunch today.

    He was really unhappy.

  199. gunnern5 says:

    The police arrested two kids, one was drinking battery acid and the other was chewing fireworks.

    They charged one and let the other one off.

  200. VCC says:

    gunner5..Ontario…..how far is that from Toronto/Niagara Falls?
    I was there 4 weeks ago on holiday, after a 7 night cruise on the Queen Mary 2 from Southampton to New York, then onto Niagara. Fantastic experience.

  201. gunnern5 says:

    I must be a better driver than I thought.

    I found a note on my windscreen that started ” Parking fine”

  202. gunnern5 says:

    My dog is really annoying, it barks at everyone.

    But what can one expect from a cross breed?

  203. gunnern5 says:

    VCC. London is 190 kilometers from Toronto and around 200 to Niagara Falls.

  204. VCC says:

    What took you to the wonderful land of Canada, Ontario?

  205. gunnern5 says:

    Two cannibals eating a clown.

    One said “Does this taste funny to you”?

  206. gunnern5 says:

    It’s a long story; but in essence I rebelled against the obscene class distinction and all that goes with it.

  207. gunnern5 says:

    Read a wonderful book.

    The history of glue.

    Couldn’t put it down.

  208. VCC says:

    So, being of the same age group as myself, you are from a working class background (as I am, and proud of it).

  209. pat says:

    Owen Coyle on Wenger criticism:

    “It is absolutely ridiculous. Arsene Wenger is one of the best managers in world football, and always will be, but we have to accept football is a game of opinions and criticism comes along the way.

    “I feel he is the perfect fit for Arsenal though, given their history and tradition and the way they have evolved over the years. Yes, they would like a trophy, but look at the players he has brought to the club.

    “Maybe if he had the same resources as other managers of the biggest clubs, you would see an Arsenal side with different personnel.”

  210. gunnern5 says:

    You are so right,

    I was born on Avennel road and spent hours kicking a rag football up against the main gate at Highbury.

    We couldn`t afford a real ball so Mum made us a ball out of rags sewn together in a round circle. It was awful when it got wet.

  211. pat says:

    gunnern5 – those jokes are great, keep em comin!

  212. gunnern5 says:

    Got to go now and have a bite to eat.

    Back later.

  213. VCC says:

    Pat….Agree, If Wenger had the money from sugar daddies, we would be at the top of world football.

  214. VCC says:

    Hey gunner5……I was born in Latimer Road, not too far from you.
    Had to move out of London to the countryside of South Ockendon, Essex.
    Would not change a thing about my upbringing. So proud to be a GOONER.

  215. RockyLives says:

    Gn5, VCC
    You two are bonkers.
    Very funny bonkers though.
    My favourite Tommy Cooper:
    I bought a camouflage jacket the other day. Put it down, and now I can’t find it.

  216. Gooner in Exile says:

    Morning all, up bright and early to get my train to Londinium this morning.

    A weekend in the smoke with hopefully a nice meal at Indigo this evening (26’s recommendation – it’s on his head), followed by a trip to the Emirates in my new home shirt (needed to change the luck) with my wife. She’s coming to The Tavern don’t grill her too much about the team, but she will give a rendition of her favourite chant (oh to be a Gooner).

    Is the widget up and running for Saturday Rasp? Be good to see a few faces after the poor turnout for Liverpool.

  217. pat says:

    dunno its soccernet but hey sometimes has some interesting stuff with Hargraves talking about how he thinks his injuries were not being treated correctly –

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/960487/city%27s-owen-hargreaves-lifts-lid-on-manchester-united-treatment?cc=3436

    interesting – not saying our players are the victim of the same problem, but food for thought perhaps?

  218. pat says:

    Rocky I’m stuck on the “History of Glue” myself…… groan :-)

  219. Dandan says:

    Morning all new computer half up and running will soon (hopefully) be back to bore the pants off you all again.

    Would appreciate a call from the Raven haired warrior this morning if possible pleaches please. You have moved and dont have your mobile number.

  220. MickyDidIt89 says:

    dandan,
    I’m sure I’m not breaking any confidentiality rules here, but if you still have my email address, I can give you the Peaches mobile number. In the interests of AA and all that.

  221. kelsey says:

    Micky,

    I am afraid it is a breach of rules

    section F

    row U

    paragrah c

    item K

  222. MickyDidIt89 says:

    The rebel within me lurks just below the surface.
    Morning Sir.

  223. kelsey says:

    Key man tomorrow is kevin davies, watch your legs lads.

    Any newson our injured players apart from Vermaelen and Jack and Benyaoun all being out.

  224. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I started watching the IMF meeting yesterday and couldn’t help thinking we are in trouble when at the mercy of the French. Head honcho Madame Frenchie: “Bonjour and welcome. We are here to discuss zee imminent collapse of zee global financial…oh sheet, its lunch time, let’s adjourn for five hours”.

  225. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Kelsey,
    Usual suspects. Add Diaby and Rosicky.

  226. kelsey says:

    1 Real Betis 4 4 12
    2 Valencia 4 3 10
    3 Malaga 4 5 9
    4 Barcelona 4 13 8
    5 Sevilla 4 2 8
    6 Levante 4 2 8
    7 Real Madrid 4 7 7
    8 Atletico Madrid 4 7 7
    9 Real Sociedad 4 1 7
    10 Espanyol 4 0 6
    11 Rayo Vallecano 4 0 5
    12 Osasuna 4 -7 5
    13 Villarreal 4 -4 4
    14 Real Zaragoza 4 -6 4
    15 Mallorca 4 -3 3
    16 Granada 4 -5 3
    17 Racing 4 -5 2
    18 Athletic Bilbao 4 -3 1
    19 Getafe 4 -4 1
    20 Sporting Gijon 4 -7 0

    My second team ahead of barcelona, shows you what money can sometimes do ;)

  227. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Kelsey,
    Maybe we could persuade SK to be a sugar step daddy. Chuck just enough money around to ensure we finish fourth. Nothing too flash and vulgar.

  228. Big Raddy says:

    Micky. What is wrong with flash and vulgar? You are so old fashioned

  229. Big Raddy says:

    Herb. 8 ‘ish Top comment, I could have written it myself – if I was good enough at English

  230. MickyDidIt89 says:

    BR,
    Understated, discreet with a just a touch of Ooo helloo. Kind of tweeds with pink silk lining.

  231. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I feel like something fresh and new tomorrow. How about:

    Theo…Park…Oxo
    ….RvP Arteta
    ……Song

  232. Rasp says:

    Morning all,

    The widget is up GiE for the ‘Taverners’, I shan’t be there as I have to take my son to uni – although he’s been up all night with the sickness bug :(

    I’ll leave it to you guys to declare who will be present and I’ll update it accordingly.

  233. mickydidit89 says:

    Testing

  234. Big Raddy says:

    Micky. I can see it now – yellow silk cravat, battered Church brogues, a slightly worn pair of dark green corderoy (?) trousers and perhaps a Welsh Springer Spaniel ( or in your case a tabby cat)

  235. Brigham says:

    What time are you lot meeting at the Tavern tomorrow? I missed you all the last time I went for a meet there (Liverpool game last season).

  236. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rasp,
    Yeah right. Nothing to do with the fact that we were going to tie you to the radiator until you talked.

  237. Fatgingergooner says:

    I would love to see us play a 4-3-1-2 until Wilshire comes back. Just to add a few more bodies To cover the back 4 and also give us a solid platform to break from.

    Sagna Merts Kozzer Santos
    Song Frimpong Arteta
    RvP
    Walcott Gerv

    I would give Ramsey a rest and put either Frimps or Le Coq in the middle due to the fact that Song is more than capable of getting forward with Arteta. It would give us lightning pace up front and also a lot of flexibility for changing positions. More importantly tho it would give the back 4 a bit more protection.

  238. MickyDidIt89 says:

    BR,
    I know a bloke who takes his cat in the car on short journeys. It sits on top of the drivers seat right behind his head.

  239. Gooner in Exile says:

    Brigham I’m in town all weekend, so am hoping to be at Tavern early doors (possibly around 1pm)

  240. MickyDidIt89 says:

    FGG,
    Nope, not as good as mine :-)
    We cannot possibly need Song and Frimpong at home to Bolton. Can we?

  241. Morning all

    There’s a New Post ……………..

  242. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GiE,
    If you eat in the S&B next door, the pizza is brilliant. So are the squid rings that I bought the other night for London’s Aura. So he owes me whatever he thinks.

  243. kelsey says:

    i would also like to see le coq up there with the Arse. have to be careful saying that.

    I will be missing the game but i predict a 1-1 draw based on current form. not what i want,just hope to be proved wrong.

  244. Brigham says:

    Thanks GIE, the trouble is, I have no idea what you all look like, which was the problem last time around. :-)

  245. Gooner in Exile says:

    Interesting line up FGG. Unfortunately I just think they will just leave their stations at the first sniff of an attacking opportunity.

  246. Gooner in Exile says:

    Brigham I’ll put up a description of what imwearing the morning of the game, plus my wife’s apparel.

    Just look for a group of people who don’t look like they belong together :) if the sun is shining we normally gather at the lamppost nearest the corner. But that also is to accommodate the smokers.

  247. Brigham says:

    Cheers GIE and I shall keep a look out for you. ;-)

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