What is Really Happening at Arsenal?

Written by Kelsey

I think a reality check is needed and between us we should try to fathom out what is going wrong at the club. Figures don’t lie and we have won just 2 of our last 13 PL games, which would have been inconceivable in February. Fabregas leaving is going to be a huge miss, and though not replaceable like for like we have had the best part of this year knowing he would leave to find another player as a world-class playmaker.

(Did Arsene know?)

Injuries have been another key factor. Other clubs get injuries but we have a number of players who can hardly string together half a dozen games together in a row before being injured again. Wenger has admitted that on occasions he plays players who are not fully fit – because we don’t have a balanced squad of players some of whom simply aren’t good enough.

Having watched the Liverpool game again I get the feeling that the many fans have accepted that this might turn out to be a disastrous season for the club. Personally I believe with the players available (Kos is out) we will probably lose in Italy and have absolutely no chance at United. I may be proved wrong but the omens don’t look good.

I ask you how many players in our present squad providing they are fully fit and committed and in form would automatically be on the team sheet (I am assuming Nasri is leaving.)

RVP, Sagna, Vermaelen, Wilshere, possibly Gervinho and Szesney, but that’s all.

Kos is improving, Djourou another one who is injury prone and at best is a back up and Squillacci is a disaster. Song is inconsistent. Diaby,Gibbs and Rosicky are injury prone. Arshavin and Chamakh are woefully out of form and have been for months. Walcott just flits in and out of games and is at best a cameo player. Ramsey, Frimpong and Jenkinson will come good but need mentoring and to expect them to play at the highest level at this time is a big ask. Miguel and Lansbury come below the list starting with Ramsey. Traore,Vela and Bendtner are going or are going out on loan
Not fair to comment on Oxlade-Chamberlain as he hasn’t played yet.

So it doesn’t make happy reading.Will one or two signings  make much difference ?

Confidence is at the lowest for years, apart from Vermaelen and a fit Wilshere no one to drive the team on and I am really concerned.
The Emirates is no fortress as seen these last two seasons so home advantage for some reason is not as it should be.
Plenty of questions, but at this moment very few answers.

It would be nice to hear the truthful agenda from Kroenke and Gazidis otherwise known as the Chuckle brothers. Gazidis wants to broaden the name of Arsenal,hence the Far East tour, but surely he should get his priorities in order and deal with our immediate needs by sorting out transfers be they in or out, or is Wenger responsible for that.

PS : This is just my opinion and has no bearing on my support, it’s just doesn’t make sense to me. I take positives with negatives but there is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion which I know many will disagree with.

In the past week AW has been quoted as saying Cesc, Samir and Robin love the club, well so do I and I don’t understand why this is happening.

After writing this post this link appeared  and to me maybe very relevent.Those who want Wenger out should read it.

http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s378/st170548.htm

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211 Responses to What is Really Happening at Arsenal?

  1. WiganGooner says:

    Morning all – my sincerest apologies for my mistake with the post. Great article Kelsey, I enjoyed reading it earlier this morning.

    WG

  2. Rasp says:

    This comment from Camberwell gooner was posted on the end of yesterday’s post a few minutes ago…….

    ……..Morning all, Frimpong was one of the bright stars on Sat. Looks to be strong as an ox, got a bit of pace on him and imagine if he’d scored that goal after his PV4-esque charge up the centre. A legend in the making, I really enjoyed watching him.

    Ditto Jenkinson, he didn’t look afraid to get stuck in and his attacking runs were pretty positive.

    Shame Theo was marked out of the game but I thought his teammates really let him down in that respect. It wound me up something chronic that when he tried to actually do his job (i.e. hug the touchline and deliver something) NOONE moved up with him or came within 20 yards of him while he was double-marked – and effectively marooned on the touchline. Baffling.

  3. wycliffe says:

    well well, arsenal in my view is in crisis…!!! And so then crisis like this requires crisis solution. Only time will tell.. 8days to go or history will be made!

  4. Enfield Gooner says:

    Very interesting read which I believe is true (Heard this so many times before)

    http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/arsenal-/s378/st170548/wenger-and-the-board-at-loggerheads-exclusive-

    Read it and then know who is to blame!

    Remeber, we must be united as fans or we become like the spuds

  5. Jose says:

    Wenger will nothing. He has lost it completely. A sensible manager would have sorted out the players he needed much earlier for them to gel in the team. He should just go! Christ!

  6. Rasp says:

    Thanks Enfield Gooner, we published that link several times last night and it is also the link on the bottom of today’s post.

    If true (and I’d like to believe it) it puts a completely different complexion on the dynamic of our transfer activities and in particular exonerates AW from most of the criticism directed at him.

  7. Family Enclosure Man says:

    Completely agree with Rasp’s points: in my view Frimpong may have been rash, but he was also magnificent on Saturday under very trying circumstances. For years people have been accusing AFC of being too soft and having too many lightweights in the side: well, this guy could go some way to changing that perception – but he’s got to have a few rough edges smoothed off first. He could be an absolute beast in the heart of the side. I’d add that Miquel was impressive, despite the unfortunate OG balls-up with Ramsey. Calm and elegant on the ball: did anyone notice that superb 60 yd long ball he played out to Walcott in the first half? And Jenkinson did well, even though he was dead on his feet at the end. He reminds me of David O’Leary the way he moves – those long raking strides. None of this means we don’t need some major new reinforcements for the squad right now, but despite everything there are a few positives. As for Weds, it’s actually far more important than either the Liverpool or United games this week: I’d start with the back 5 that finished on Saturday, play both Song and Frimpong along with Ramsay in the middle, and stick Gervinho, RVP and Theo up front. Plan: Grab an away goal and then defend like a George Graham team. Spirit of Copenhagen ’94, and all that.

  8. Iceman says:

    I have supported Arsenal for 40 years. I was a season ticket holder for 16 years at Highbury and have lived through some amazing times and a few tough ones. However, I have never been so worried about my own club as I am now. The board and manager have lied to their fans and made us a laughing stock. We behave as if we are a skint Championship club and are now viewed as a selling club and an easy touch. As fans, we have been betrayed and lied to over how much money there is available for players. We knew last year that our defence needed strengthening, yet we have made no moves at all when there are top players like Baines and Cahill available. We could have bought Mata for £18m but stalled and missed out – now Chelski have him, and now we have all the stories about Kaka on loan. What a shambles. The current players are also being cheated – with players like Vermaelen playing his heart out, knowing deep down that we need a bigger squad and have done for many years – but fed up like the fans of all the speculation and stories but no recruits. Shame on you Arsenal. Shame on the board and the manager for betraying the fans who have made this once great club a laughing stock across the football world. It is a disgrace and the fans are sick of all the lies. Sack Wenger, change the board and bring back Dein and Usmanov. We have 9 days to add to the flimsiest squad in the Premier league. If it does not happen, I fear that the club I love will be just another ordinary mid-table team – ok if we can afford to watch them, but shameful as we are the most expensive team in the world to watch.

  9. Camberwell Gooner says:

    Cheers Rasp, saved me the hassle!

    Jose. You’re right. Wenger really should go this morning. He should just up and walk out with a massive game just around the corner and the transfer window still open. Then we just cherry pick one of the hundreds of out-of-work top managers who are currently sitting round waiting for a phonecall from Arsenal, install them, ooh let’s say, by about 5pm today? Too late for you? How about 3:30? That gives him just under 24 hours to get to know everyone at the club, prep for Udinese, get there and win 4-0.

    I honestly don’t know why you don’t have a top job on the Arsenal board.

  10. Big Raddy says:

    Kelsey. Super post. Much of which I agree with.

    Your argument about first team players is interesting. How do we define players like Ramsey who is starting his career and clearly has a major role to play. Will he be considered a first team choice come season’s end?

    There can be no question that we have gone backwards since the building of the Emirates, which coincided with the arrival of the billionaire owners.

    3 games in which the team seems to have no definite idea of tactics is a major worry. The defence seems assured but the rest is a mess.

    How to go forward from here is difficult to answer. I do not believe the simplistic demand of signing 2 or 3 players by Aug 31st is the solution . Sure it will help but IMO it will not propel us to a title.

  11. WiganGooner says:

    @Rasp, CG

    I really liked Frimpong on sat, he showed passion and drive and very much was the engine room in the midfield and dictated our tempo. A lot to ask of such a young boy and he delivered exceptionally well. His sending off was what it was and it was unfortunate that his full-debut display will always be marred by that.

    Totally agree about Jenks too, I thought he was very solid, something for the doomer’s to consider, we bought Jenks for 1 million. Liverpool bought Enrique for 6 Million and Jenks impressed me more on Saturday than Enrique.

    In some ways I feel sorry for Walcott, I think he needs to play up front. He’s not a winger in the same way that B52 isnt. However, he clearly can’t be doing enough in training to show that he can play that role.

    WG

  12. Big Raddy says:

    Camberwell. Given the work done in recent weeks by the BoD, perhaps Jose is in situ !

  13. Camberwell Gooner says:

    BR – Say it ain’t so!

  14. Big Raddy says:

    WG. The difficulty is the RvP role. Robin has shown himself to be a lethal striker so how does Theo go central when RvP is clearly the better finisher?

    I always thought RvP would take a DB10 role with TW in front of him, but AW does not agree.

  15. evonne says:

    Kelsey – excellent post, but I do not agree with several points, I think you know that :)

  16. evonne says:

    Detailed analysis have been carried out on referring decision in all EPL games last season. It was concluded that if refs did not make mistakes Arsenal would have been 2nd in the league. There.

    There is of course the assumption that we would score all the penalties given, but that goes both ways, so the stats stand.

    I think GiE is going to love this :)

  17. Wenger says he has bought players. Well only one can be considered for the present. The other three kids could be said too raw for the epl.Btw the epl is a tough learning school. Previously he had sent the kids on loan.Now he wants to blood the kids. He has himself to blame if he thinks of the future in three years if the gunners go on a long winless run.
    The needs of the senior team come first. He must shore up the first team now .If he doesn’t think of the present how can he think of the future.
    He should look at his tactics. Football is about goals and winning. I hope he watched the Bolton/MC game.The first four goals were of the highest quality. The players don’t make too many passes which the gunners do.
    If he is unable to improve things at Arsenal he should move on.Let some who plays to win and doesn’t waste time making thirty passes to shoot or score.

  18. Jamie says:

    Don’t worry. Wenger will come out and say

    “It’s okay if we don’t qualify for the Champions League Group Stage. This is a long-term project and we should give time and opportunity to the young players. If I buy Hazard or Mata, this could only halt the youngster’s progress in the club. Do you want to see all those English players not given enough opportunity just because I signed Hazard or Mata or Jagielka? I’m sure the board understands. and hopefully so does the fans. This is not about winning trophies anymore, It’s okay if you don’t win things.”

  19. WiganGooner says:

    @BR

    Totally agree with you, but in terms of flexibility, can you imagine RvP in the hole and Theo ahead of him ready to sprint onto through balls??

    Sometimes I think we need to change formation during the game to press advantage and we don’t do that. Admittedly with a injury and transfer ravaged squad we aren’t in a place to do it right now – but imagine for a second if towards the end of the first half against the scouse we switched to

    Sczcesny
    jenks Verm Miquel Sagna
    Ramsey frimpong
    Arshavin RvP Nasri
    Walcott

    This would get RvP on the ball where he can actually dictate and create instead of being isolated and unable to drive anything.

    Having the fluidity to change during a game is essential these days and we just don’t do it. However, I don’t forsee Arsene changing, so I guess it’s just wishful thinking.

    WG

  20. francis ejoh says:

    I want to be positive,so i always look at d positives,true dat we hav a lot of players out,but wen they all return will we be a better team than we were last season,the answer is no,wenger knows this,he is jst playin an ostrich,hiding his head in d sands nd hope d problem wil go away,well it wont bco diaby and gervinho does nt compare to loosing cesc and nasri.wenger knows bt the problem is dat he refuses to act.

  21. Camberwell Gooner says:

    Francis Ejoh, I applaud your positivity – your optimism is contagious and now I too believe that Wenger is doing literally nothing.

  22. Red Arse says:

    Darn it WG, I have at last found a point of difference with you and it is the same one I had with TA yesterday.

    We all seem to agree that Theo is not a winger and brings very little to the team at the moment.

    The difference is that I think he is a very limited player, with pace his only asset, and should/will go, whereas you and TA see him as a central forward ahead of RVP or whoever.

    I am not sure what you base this view on, other than wishful thinking, because he does not have the physique, the skill or the sheer guts to tough out what is one of the most difficult positions in football.

    It’s Monday — punch up — let’s go!! :-)

    Incidentally, Arsene has been banned for a further two matches for communicating via Primorac at the Udinese game. Ludicrous or what?

  23. Red Arse says:

    Camberwell G, :-)

    That is a sterling effort to try and bring some perspective to a couple of ridiculous comments, but I am afraid subtle irony does require some intelligence of the recipients for it to register!! :-)

  24. Camberwell Gooner says:

    A further two-match ban?? I really shouldn’t be surprised, given the kind of luck we’ve had lately.

  25. rosicky7 says:

    I agree with iceman the club is starting to go backwards .The club is crying out for experience Van persie will be the next if he is not tired down to another contract .Why would he want to sign a new contract with the way the club are going .We are a feeder club for the money bags teams I just heard WENGER HAS A 2 MATCH BAN CANT BELIVE OUR LUCK .!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. Camberwell Gooner says:

    RA

    I should have re-read Ejoh’s comment, I briefly forgot that it was written in educationally subnormal text speak.

    Who looks dumb now??!

  27. Moses Watasa says:

    Arsene Wenger + Board = Tragedy + Calamity at Arsenal FC. A mutiny is brewing because footballers realize that once they hang up the boots they will be remembered for medals and trophies collected – and not the profits the club generated. From 2005 to-date, Arsenal’s manager, Arsene Wenger developed a vulgar obsession with bulging profits other than collecting silverware. Players like Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri figured him out and realised that with him in charge, they risk retiring trophyless and medal-less. Thus, they are fleeing Arsenal FC like a plague and dropping the club like a red-hot potato. With hardly a week at Barcelona, Cesc Fabregas is a proud winner (of the spanish super-cup). Robin van Persie, close to the end of his Arsenal contract must have take note and is probably “jealous” of Cesc. But how long can Arsenal sustain even the profits they love to death if they can’t keep their best players? With performances like the frightening goal-less draw at Newcastle, can this Arsenal limp into the CL any more? Can the Emirates stadium maintain the full-capacity 62,000 fans so Wenger + Board can cream-off the gate collections perpetually? Why would a sane Juan Mata join a rapidly ailing Arsenal when Chelsea are knocking on his door? Which other such quality and ambitious players will want to play for Arsenal unless their actual interest is to ride on the gunners and eventually join, say, Barcelona? Where there Arsenal fans among the imbeciles who burnt London recently? I wish they had burst into Arsene Wenger’s home to demand that he signs some quality players or they whip him hard. Arsenal’s little profit maniac should be “tamed” or he buries Arsenal FC.

  28. kelsey says:

    The point of part of this post was to show the good, the bad and the ugly with whatever is going on inside the club.
    Whatever one may think of Wenger he to a certain extent is taking the flack for BoD.Sure he has made some bad buys, which manager hasn’t but as i suggested in the post the balance of the squad is wrong.There is too much of a gulf in the experienced players and the newly appointed raw recruits to the first team squad.
    it’s like asking a non swimmer to dive in from the deep end of a pool in footballing terms players ask to perform at the very highest level without any big game experience.

  29. WiganGooner says:

    @RA

    Theo is a decent finisher, he can’t best a man with tricks, but his raw pace is powerful and enough to unsettle defenders.

    Owen was never a strong player, but he was fast, made the right runs and finished well. He doesn’t have any tricks either.

    However, I am more than willing to concede that Theo at right midfield has been a failed experiment and we either give him a shot in his preferred position or replace him with a more effective right winger.

    With regards to the ban, that is absolutely chuffing ridiculous. Mourinho snuck into the changing rooms in a laundry bin, i don’t recall any retrospective action being taken there.

    Football is really getting my goat at the moment, if it’s not doomer’s not realising we have only played two premier league games and the media hacks making things worse we have the football associations coming out with crap like that.

    WG

  30. Camberwell Gooner says:

    Kelsey, re your elegant closing simile.

    So what you’re saying is…it’s like…er…dropping people in the deep end? (to coin a brand new expression)
    :) :)

    I really should do some work.

  31. pat says:

    Hopefully Liverfool was a wake up to Rosicky, Walcott and Arshavin – those 3 are going to have to play out of their skins vs Udinese

  32. London says:

    A very thought provoking post Kelsey.

    I, unsurprisingly I suspect, take issue with the Wenger bashing.

    “We have had the best part of this year knowing he would leave to find another player as a world-class playmaker.”

    Do you really believe Wenger has ignored this situation all year? If Nasri stays, we have him, Ramsey, Rosicky and Diaby who all play in that position. If this doesn’t satisfy you think of this: Nasri may be the most talented French midfielder of his generation but he is not world class and yet look how vigorously City have chased him. Now imagine if there was a genuinely world class playmaker on the market and how much they would go after him.
    The problem Wenger has is not just identifying talent it is persuading it to come to Arsenal and work for a lower wage than they might get else where.

  33. gunnern5 says:

    If it were simply money that’s causing Nasri to want to leave, then that could easily be resolved by offering him one time non recurring bonus to sign a contract extension.

    The two match ban for AW has only been rumoured on one site.

  34. kelsey says:

    London,

    I don’t believe Wenger ignored the situation but i believe the bod may have been holding him back.One has to define what his actual responsibilities are at the club. I think we all what the answer should be.

  35. kelsey says:

    Arsene Wenger has been handed a two-match ban by Uefa after being found guilty of breaching the terms of a previous Champions League sanction.

    The 61-year-old Arsenal manager has also been fined 10,000 euros (£8,742) for improper conduct.

    He received the punishment after he was found guilty of communicating with the bench while serving a touchline ban during the first leg of Arsenal
    tie against Udinese on Tuesday 16 August.

    The Frenchman has the right to appeal.

    BBC Sport headline.

  36. WiganGooner says:

    @GunnerN5

    It has been reported on UEFA.com

    WG

  37. TotalArsenal says:

    RA, you cheeky sod! :) For me Theo is never a CF (sorry WG), far too limited in skill-set. He is a winger with limitations and needs to get the right service, which he isn’t at the moment. He needs space and played into space he is, as we all know, lethal. We do not get much space, and without Cesc/Wilshere we do not provide him with the right through-balls into the limited space available.

    I am not a big fan of Theo, but can see that he can be a decent squad player for us, probably best used as a sub, if and when we are 1-0 up and the other teams decides it is time to play football against us. Then we get the space and is Theo in his element. And let’s not forget Theo scored 100% more goals this season than any other Arsenal player..

  38. Rasp says:

    To be honest, I think the way AW didn’t even try to disguise the fact that he was passing messages down through Primorac was pretty daft and asking for trouble.

    Of course the TV and British Press couldn’t wait to highlight it to the point that UEFA couldn’t ignore the situation.

  39. Moses Watasa says:

    What is happening @ Arsenal is that after six years of “hard work”, Arsene Wenger + Board are finally blowing-up the club. From 2005 to-date, Arsenal’s manager, Arsene Wenger developed a vulgar obsession with bulging profits other than collecting silverware. His own players like Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri figured him out and realised that with him in charge, they risk retiring trophyless. Thus, they are fleeing Arsenal FC like a plague and dropping the club like a red-hot potato. With hardly a week at Barcelona, Cesc Fabregas is a proud winner (of the spanish super-cup). Robin van Persie, close to the end of his Arsenal contract must have take note and is probably “jealous” of Cesc. But how long can Arsenal sustain even the profits they love to death if they can’t keep their best players? With performances like the frightening goal-less draw at Newcastle and the spineless capitulation to Liverpool, this Arsenal cannot limp into the CL any more. I wonder if the Emirates stadium will maintain the full-capacity 62,000 fans so Wenger + Board can cream-off the gate collections perpetually! Today, Juan Mata, who Arsene Wenger has been “signing” for a while is joining Chelsea – this trend just replicates itself at Arsenal all the time! As the rot + fungi builds @ Arsenal, no serious player will join the club – unless ofcourse they seek to ride the gunners and eventually join, say, Barcelona. Why didn’t Arsenal fans London’s rioting imbeciles visit Arsene Wenger’s apartment to demand that he signs some quality players or they whip him hard. The rot presided over by this little profit maniac + Board should be “arrested” or a red + white funeral beckons Arsenal FC.

  40. WiganGooner says:

    The problem lies in the double standards; We all thought it was hilarious that Mourinho hid in a laundry basket and got away scot-free, Wenger is being castigated for passing instructions down a mobile phone via a 3rd party.

    I would say Mourinho broke the rules in a more serious way, whilst I don’t defend Arsene as I thought it was rather daft of him to be so obvious, he should have written his instructions and had Primorac read it.

    However, I’m largely not surprised with the bias against Wenger who has hardly ever attempted to maintain a decent relationship with the footballing associations he works under.

    WG

  41. TotalArsenal says:

    Ooh to be a Gooner hey, Moses. I respected your reponse @11.25 as ‘your opinion’ as it was well written; that is, until I read your final few lines. Shame on you mate.

  42. goonermichael says:

    Excellent post Kelsey. I’m so negative at the moment. I think we are heading for a fall. Juan Mata going to the chavs shows we are a 2nd tier team.

  43. Red Arse says:

    WG,

    Fair enough re Theo — we will have to accept a difference of opinions.
    I have probably told you I saw Theo when he was kid playing for S’hampton and he skinned our youth team. What a performance that was that day. But in retrospect it was mostly sheer pace which made him look like a 100 metres sprinter, with a great finish too, but there were no tricks or other skills — none needed to be honest!
    I was thrilled when we bought him, but he has been a continuing disappointment since. :-(

    TA,

    Me? Totally misrepresenting what you said about Theo? Surely not! :-)

    I was just innocently hoping to get both of you for the price of one!! :-)

  44. Red Arse says:

    Hi Kelsey, :-)

    Please accept my apologies. I thought I had complimented you on an interesting and stimulating Post, but it seems I haven’t.

    Anyway, well done and thank you! :-)

  45. tommystout says:

    Good post Kelsey, i read the link as well, food for thought which i am inclined to believe.
    I hope that we are at an all time low now and the only way is up, i guess wednesdays result will answer that one.
    I am really worried now that with the authorities biting at Wengers ankles along with a growing mass of negetive gunners, and now the board at logger heads, i fear that Arsene may just pack up and walk.
    Some people would wish for that but they are fools!

  46. WiganGooner says:

    @RA

    I can understand your frustration with Theo, he promises so much sometimes and his end product then lets him down. He has some really positive facets to his game, but his lack of technical quality lets him down.

    I agree with you to a point about Theo, I do think there are more talented wingers out there and I would like to see Miyaichi given a shot on the wing with Gervinho on the other flank.

    I think Miyaichi has more in his locker as a winger and I think if he performs Theo will struggle to have an effect on the first eleven.

    WG

  47. Red Arse says:

    WG,

    Can’t argue with that. :-)

    I am sure that we would both hope to be proved wrong about his skills etc.
    A ‘Pool fan on here, yesterday, said, he did not know why Theo just did not simply tap the ball past the opposition defender and then light up his afterburners, rather than keep failing with his dribbling skills.

    It is also true that I need to be a bit balanced here, because the inexperienced teams that we have put out so far are not playing to his skill sets, as both you and TA have said.

    Even so, I give him no more that a year before Myaichi and Oxbow outshine him, and then what happens, unless he learns very quickly this season.

    Fingers crossed!

  48. harry says:

    Nice one Kelsey……….

    @all commenting on the 2match ban, Arsenal asked UEFA what the rules were and as far as wenger is concerned he stuck by them, hence the appeal………

    @WG Miyaichi might have more in his locker and I see him as the winger with Walcott central, the good thing been they can keep up with each other as well!!

  49. Oz says:

    Not entirely convinced. We all know the board are a bunch of greedy money grabbing bastards, but in the last six seasons Wenger has never said he wants to spend big or buy experienced players. He is obssessed with cheapo young players which as Miguel’s (who?) own goal shows, is useless. The season so far shows that Wenger has still not learned anything over the summer: lots of ‘nice’ tippy-tappy football but we still can’t score in a brothel. If there is no improvement by the end of August, then either the Board or Wenger should walk – or both.

  50. Camberwell Gooner says:

    @harry, I take it appealing means the ban is not served until the appeal is dealt with, i.e. leaving him free to be on the touchline on Weds?

  51. northbanklegend says:

    These are worrying times for all Arsenal fans. The squad has slowly fallen apart with replacements too inexperienced or inadequate.
    Something is terribly wrong at Arsenal FC, we have over £100M in the bank, yet we are not prepared, for whatever reason to invest anything in acquiring the experienced players we need.
    Mata and Alvarez are two transfers that were in the bag this summer, yet somehow we missed on both players.
    Arsenal fans are paying good money and this season we will see a very inferior Arsenal team, it will not be long before the team will be playing before 50,000 fans, then the board will take action

  52. Rasp says:

    How does it help our already beleaguered manager when his own club’s website is publishing articles entitled ‘I’m prepared to speculate in the market’?

    I cannot fathom what purpose the club hope to achieve by publishing such a piece unless its just for hits on their site and a bit more revenue from advertisers.

    I’m beginning to think that the club does not give him the support he deserves!

  53. London says:

    GN5

    “If the Nasri deal was simply down to money……….”

    I think you may be missing an important point here: no matter how much Arsenal offer Nasri, City can offer more, so it is not as simple as offering Nasri a higher wage to stay.

  54. Rasp says:

    Hi London, judging by the way Nasri played against pool, he would be a great asset to the squad this season – so why don’t we just play him on Wednesday, pay him some more money and give him a contract that allows him to leave next summer whilst ensuring we both save face and Arsenal get a good price for him?

    If City still want him nexy summer they will pay more, if as you say, they can keep upping the ante.

  55. kelsey says:

    A lot to talk about but on the player front one player divides most of us.

    I give you theo Walcott. Initial cost 5 million, rising to 12 and based on international caps up to 17 million.

    5 and a half years at the club and though he does have his moments and has a better goals and assists last season to any previous season, I am still on the “could do better” brigade.

  56. northbanklegend says:

    Do we have any coaches that take Theo to one side and tell him what to do? Or do we expect players to think for themselves?

    Is it not time we had an overhaul of our coaching staff?

  57. London says:

    Hi Rasp

    I have just seen that article in AFC.com.

    Isn’t this a case that we should be happy that a statement of intent to buy new players has been made.

  58. gunnern5 says:

    London;

    I get the point completely!

    Read my post again – I said nothing about increasing his wages.

    I was very specific and said they could offer him a one time non-recurring bonus to sign a contract extension.

    A bonus is not considered as wages which are recurring.

    My theory being that he could stay an extra season and then sell him in 2012/13.

  59. London says:

    NBL

    Do you think that close control can be taught to a 21 year old?

  60. Rasp says:

    Hi kelsey,

    Thanks for the brave post – you will be aware that it covers many of my concerns.

    I really want to believe the story that AW is at loggerheads with the Board.

    It makes perfect sense that any player would expect (and be correct in doing so) that their wages would be proportional to their transfer value – except when going on a free or in the last year of a contract.

    I’m just making these numbers up for the sake of argument, but I’d imagine that player wages in relation to their market value would be something alonmg these lines where the big clubs are concerned.

    A player costing under £10m – £30-50k a week
    £10-20m – £50-100k a week
    over £20m – anything from £100k to £250k

    So if Arsene is saying to the Board, yes, we can bid the asking price of £25m for player A but he’s not going to come if we offer him £70k a week, he is entirely correct and the BoD and owner need to wise up.

  61. London says:

    GN5

    I stand corrected, but the point remains the same, any bonus that Arsenal offer City could offer more.

    It seems to me that the man has got to want to stay, the offer of regular first team football in his favoured position are, I still believe, the pursuding factors that will make him want to stay.

  62. Rasp says:

    Hi London, I don’t really think that the article is supportive of AW or indeed a statement of intent by the club if you judge it in relation to other articles that they publush. It is like the site is run by an outside agency that has no inside knowledge (they wouldn’t reveal anything if they had) and is just as bad as all the other press speculation.

  63. London says:

    Hi Rasp

    I know you are just floating that one out there but the idea that the BoD are ignorant of the current day player wage structure seems a bit far fetched.

  64. London says:

    Rasp

    Out side agency theory rings true.

  65. goonermichael says:

    Whether it’s the bosrd or Wenger it’s a depresasing mess. With this squad we won’t be in tha CL next season. That will be a £25m dent in our finances. You could pay Tevez and Mata for a year on that

  66. Rasp says:

    I know London, but it is the pivotal point of the article that everyone is posting links to – I agree it is far fetched, but it is not inconceivable that it could be a bone of contention.

    It is obvious to me that we have to just step back when City, manu, chelski and the others start bidding for a player we are interesetd in.

    We just have to hope that when their cupboards are full of internationals to sit on their star studded benches, there may be a few quality players left who would want to play for a proper football club.

  67. goonermichael says:

    I wish I could be more positive. I am a glass half full person.

  68. Rasp says:

    London, here’s an idea, why don’t Arsenal identify some one legged, blind Albanian midget and start a load of internet rumours that he is the next Pele. We could place a mock bid of £30m for him and sit back and see which one of the squillionaires buys him?

  69. Rasp says:

    Oops just realised that my last comment may not be too politically correct – apologies to anyone I might have offended (unless you’re a spud)

  70. WiganGooner says:

    Arsenal.com are being stupid, they are rehashing bits of interviews with Arsene and badging it as new news.

    This will put added pressure on as we all continue to harp on about signing someone, anyone in-fact to bolster our meagre squad.

    WG

  71. Camberwell Gooner says:

    Rasp, as a one legged, blind Albanian midget you have offended me.

  72. WiganGooner says:

    @Rasp

    Didnt you just describe Luka Modric? :P

    WG

  73. WiganGooner says:

    …oh no wait…he’s Czech :P

    WG

  74. WiganGooner says:

    or Croatian..

    WG…

    Or from the land of the Oompa Loompahs.

  75. Camberwell Gooner says:

    :D

  76. Rasp says:

    :lol: WG, CG

  77. Red Arse says:

    Rasp as a one legged, blind, gooner from Camberwell you have offended me, as well, as my Albanian friend!

    Compensation please!

  78. Rasp says:

    :P RA,

    It says in the site small print that I may not be held responsible for any nefarious comments regarding the citizens of Albania.

  79. WiganGooner says:

    ..and lets face it…Modric really is an Oompah Loompah

    WG

  80. Red Arse says:

    Rasp, :-)

  81. WiganGooner says:

    Incidentally, what is the site policy on Oompah Loompah’s? I know I should have asked this at the induction :P

    WG

  82. Rasp says:

    Oompah Loompah’s are de riguer as long as you stick em up your Joompah – this is just getting silly now :oops:

  83. Big Raddy says:

    The piece linked above in the post to the BoD discussion is interesting.

    Firstly, I must say that I cannot accept any “fact” that comes from an un-named source. It could be his Mum.

    However, the thrust of the article makes much sense. And the conclusion is correct – we just have to pay going rate to attract top players. Jagielka, Cahill, etc are not super quality – they are good PL pros, no more.

    Our wage structure has to be re-aligned to fit with current top payers.

  84. WiganGooner says:

    @Rasp

    I’ll make a note…Thanks :)

    @BR

    We have known for a while that we have been well behind in the Wages stakes for the big players because of our pay structure. I agree with being financially prudent whilst it doesn’t affect the long-term stability of the club.

    I think a re-jigging of the pay structure is required and I actually believe they are already working on it in their attempts to offload Bendtner, Denilson, Almungo, Clichy et al.

    Top player’s want upwards of 120k a week, whilst it is ridiculous money, it is what clubs like Citeh and Chelski pay. There is only so much history, a brand of play and class that a club can have and these days, with player loyalty being what it is, It doesn’t count for much.

    WG

  85. Rasp says:

    Hi Raddy, from my comment @12:41

    “I’m just making these numbers up for the sake of argument, but I’d imagine that player wages in relation to their market value would be something alonmg these lines where the big clubs are concerned.

    A player costing under £10m – £30-50k a week
    £10-20m – £50-100k a week
    over £20m – anything from £100k to £250k”

    Are you suggesting that we need to be able to offer the over £20m players £100k+ a week or settle for the £10-20m players?

  86. WiganGooner says:

    Here’s a thought…throw a new hat into the ring so to speak…

    I wonder if we could attract Lukasz Podolski to Arsenal, great player, can play on the wing or up front, scores goals, right age?

    Thoughts?

    WG

  87. evonne says:

    Wigan – I was first ‘to ask’ for Podolski :) He is fan-tas-tic! Great player, very disciplined, hard working, nice guy with solid skills. Oz knows why I like him :)

  88. WiganGooner says:

    Thanks for the birthday wishes yesterday everyone :D Very much appreciated by the way :D

    WG

  89. neamman says:

    Lets give the BoD and AW time.
    We are all disappointed but its not the end of the world. MU were relegated in the 70s.. and came back.

  90. WiganGooner says:

    Neamann,

    I would hope we manage to get our act together before relegation is a possibility.

    WG

  91. Herb'sArmy says:

    Good day Gooners,
    belated birthday greetings WG.
    I was really impressed with our performance against Liverpool, and after weathering their early pressure, we grew into the game and thought we could nick a 1-0. Then Frimpong saw red, they brought Suarez on…But a lot of good things.emerged until that point.
    Have to agree with RA on Walcott. A Championship quality player who could maybe do a turn for a West Ham, or his old club Southampton.How did we miss Bale?
    Agree with you WG and Evonne, Podolski would be a quality signing.

  92. Red Arse says:

    Hi Herb, :-)

    We were doing OK against the ‘Pool, with an untried team, but that offside goal did for us!

    it never rains but …….

  93. Wenger dug a deep pit and is staring at the precipice.He has nobody but himself to blame for the gunners plight.A few years ago with their gk a problem,he refused to get anyone of Given,VDS and Friedel.There were also other problems in the team .
    Instead of getting the experienced players ,he keeps on getting kid after kid e,Pennant,Denilson,Senderos,etc.
    That is why the gunners are suffering. If he fails to get past Udinese,the red faced **** is waiting to stick the knife in.
    He says he will spend big.The problem is he promised Cesc he would get the quality players but went back on his word.
    If he can’t pull the gunners from the mess he himself created,he should be axed. No more time for his kids to develop and deliver and for him to work his magic.

  94. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi RA,
    yeah, up until the red-card, I fancied us to nick it. 10 v 11, impossible, especially as you say, an offside goal knocked the stuffing out of us.
    What’s going on at UEFA? Maybe they want us knocked out!

  95. WiganGooner says:

    @Anthony

    How on earth do you know what he promised Cesc? Absolute doomer drivel.

    WG

  96. goonermichael says:

    He read it on the web WG. There is so much misinformation it’s ridiculous.

  97. Herb'sArmy says:

    Anthony,
    reading the article at the bottom of Kelsey’s thought-provoking squad, if true, shows that AW’s hands are tied.
    Before Abramovich bought Chelsea, there were no rich ‘sugar-daddies’ bank-rolling clubs. We were able to compete with Man Utd up to that point, because of AW’s shrewd skill in what was a relatively ‘normal’ transfer-market.
    From 2004, Chelsea changed the rules, and as well as inflating the market, they paid huge wages that would be unsustainable at any other club.`At that time we were in the process of moving to the Emirates, which put huge financial restraints on the whole club. Juggling that debt whilst remaining a competitive force is testimony of what an incredible job AW has/is doing.
    Now Man City have blown everyone out of the water, including Chelsea! What’s Aguero on? £300k a week?
    The article clearly states that AW wants big-name players, and whilst the BoD are prepared to pay any transfer fee, they’re not prepared to pay huge wages, meaning that Man City, Chelsea or Man Utd will always be a more attractive proposition.
    Forget fantasy simulated football games, how many of us on here could do AW’s job? Not me, for one. Cut the man some slack!

  98. Herb'sArmy says:

    *Squad*? Should say Post!

  99. Herb'sArmy says:

    Tumbleweed time…

  100. Rasp says:

    Hi Herb, you’re right, it gets a bit slow late in the afternoon.

    I don’t know why, but I am strangely optimistic just at a time when many who had branded me as negative are heading in the opposite direction.

    I think Frimpong’s performance, togther with Jenkinson and Miguel has lifted me. I can’t wait to see Joel Campbell play (at least in the CC)

    When Jack gets back and he can set up a partnership with Ramsey, in front of the PongSongs I can see us being very hard to beat.

    My main worry is that we will not score enough goals.

    Jack has the ability to make the killer through pass, we need a player who can latch onto it and smash it into the net.

  101. WiganGooner says:

    @Rasp, Herb

    I’m always positive when I see improvement in areas. I believe the spine of our team is stronger, even if we are not getting the results we would like I do believe defensively we are stronger as a unit and with an addition or two we aren’t far away from having a challenging team.

    We do need someone else to provide the drive and creativity in midfield and we certainly need another centre back, but there is enough elsewhere in the squad to keep me hopeful.

    WG

  102. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi Rasp..
    Agreed, the youngsters have stood up really well, they definitely held their own against Liverpool. Once Frimpong settles down he looks like a star in the making.
    I’d be happy to see Cahill, Hazard, and any one of the two of Benzema/Podolski come in.
    Those three and we’re good to go.

  103. Rasp says:

    Thanks WG,

    Herb, if we got those three I’d be cock-a-hoop, but I have to be realistic.

    I am absolutely fascinated to see whether AW pulls the rabbit out of the hat.

    We won’t make any moves until after the CL game so that gives AW precisely 7 days to bring in some players.

    That means that at this stage, he will have had to have identified them, scouted them, made provisional contact and put together a deal to offer them and their club. Not only for his first choices but for a 2nd and maybe even 3rd choice if the preferred options fall through – that’s quite a tall order!

  104. WiganGooner says:

    Unfortunately I am reasonably confident we won’t get Hazard because Lille have said all along they would let one of Gervinho/Hazard go but not both.

    After we gave them 12million for Gervinho they won’t be short of a bob or two so won’t need the cash.

    WG

  105. California Gooner says:

    Enfield at 9:58 am, that is really interesting stuff and sounds totally plausible to me. The wage issue would explain why the board has managed to sign the younger players, but is at a loggerhead between signing good players (aka Cahill) and the super-quality that Wenger wants instead (the Subotics).

    Those of you who did not follow that link really should. I think it is worth discussing.

  106. TotalArsenal says:

    Here is my ‘dream’ scenario for the next 9 days:

    Tomorrow: announcement that RvP has signed a contract extension

    Wednesday: a draw against Udinese, Nasri scoring the equaliser

    Thursday: Vermaelen signs a new contract extension

    Friday: Cahill signs for Arsenal

    Saturday: Nasri leaves

    Sunday: a hard fought win against the Mancs – Rooney gets a straight red card

    Monday: Sneijder & Affelay sign for Arsenal

    Tuesday: Dennis Bergkamp joins Arsenal and will become a direct assistant to Arsene

    Wednesday: Wilshere signs a new contract extension and Benzema joins on a season-long loan

  107. Rasp says:

    Bloody hell TA – you don’t want much then :?

    But you make a very serious point. The club will view securing contract extensions for key players as of top priority, I hope that doesn’t get in the way of new signings.

  108. California Gooner says:

    That article would also explain Wenger’s threat to play Nasri on Wednesday. He knows Kroenke was quite clear in his desire to sell Nasri and cash in. To me it’s clear that Wenger would have wanted Mata, but the board wasn’t going to pay the wages. Basically Wenger is saying to the board “you were too cheap to get a real replacement, so now you’ll loose out on selling him. What choice do I have?”

  109. Herb'sArmy says:

    Very interesting nine days Rasp.
    I’d even accept Samba
    I expect us to get a result at Udinese.Be good to go to OT with CL qualification in the bag.

  110. Rasp says:

    Yes Herb, I see CL qualification as important to us as winning the CC would have been last season. The hope I hold is that for once we may start the season slowly but will end on a charge.

  111. goonermichael says:

    TA
    Agreed except I’d change straight red to broken leg. Am I allowed to be that nasty on here?

  112. Rasp says:

    Only the one leg gm? :roll:

  113. goonermichael says:

    I’m looking forward to Ryo playing. My sister in law and her husband are coming over soon from Japan and I’ve promised to take them to the Emirates.

  114. goonermichael says:

    And his gregory :)

  115. Red Arse says:

    Crikey,

    I leave the site for a while and Mystic Meg, pretending to be TA, gives a blow by blow account for the next 9 days.

    While you are at it Mystic, how is my date next Friday going to end up? Am I going to ‘crack’ it? :-)

  116. Red Arse says:

    Herb,

    You really are the star I always thought you were. Good, sensible, positive stuff that is a pleasure to read! :-)

    You must have a Post in you, either on the current situation, or an historical one falling back on your own experiences with the best club in the world! We all like those! :-)

  117. Red Arse says:

    GM,

    “His Gregory”? Are you insinuating that he is gay? :-)

  118. Herb'sArmy says:

    Hi RA.
    Thanks mate.
    It’s a shame we won’t have Frimpong to go up against Pikey Rooney next week.

  119. goonermichael says:

    His Gregory Peck RA

  120. goonermichael says:

    We’ll just have to make sure we give them a good spanking when they come to us Herb.

  121. Rasp says:

    This M’Vila guy is a bit of a monster, he’s an ex boxer. You’ve got to love him, he turned down the spuds 2 years ago.

  122. kelsey says:

    Just been thinking over again the structure of wages at Arsenal and having read the article again at the bottom of the post, I need an accountant’s help.
    At the last published accounts we had the third highest wage bill in the PL, backed up by the excellent Swiss Ramble, and of course that will be superceded by City this year.
    So if we will not pay the going rate for possible transfer targets surely it means that several of our players that cost a fraction of any new “super” signing must be on higher wages than they should be. No.

  123. Herb'sArmy says:

    It hasn’t been that long since we beat them GM, and we’ve looked solid at the back. Szczesny, Sagna and Vermaelen have been immense, and the youngsters like Jenkinson and Miguel are learning all the time. If we can get Gibbs’ injury problems resolved we look strong defensively.
    We’ll look even better when Wilshere returns and glues the midfield together to take some weight off Ramsey.
    A point at OT Sunday isn’t out of our reach.
    I also think that RvP could operate down either wing, with a Benzema/Podolski banging goals in.

  124. Herb'sArmy says:

    M’Vila obviously has good taste Rasp.

  125. Red Arse says:

    GM,

    I am none the wiser! Gregory Peck? Who or what is that — don’t forget I am a yank! :-)

  126. goonermichael says:

    Sorry RA It means neck

  127. goonermichael says:

    Gregoey peck = neck
    Quaker oat = throat

    That concludes todays rhyming slang lesson for our colonial cousins :)

  128. Rasp says:

    It’s cockney rhyming slang for neck RA
    treacle = treacle tart = heart etc etc

  129. goonermichael says:

    My eyes are gone. I’m useless without glasses. The wonders of ageing :(

  130. Red Arse says:

    Thanks guys!!! :-)

    A gregory!!!! whatever next? :-)

  131. goonermichael says:

    I didn’t realise you were a septic RA :)

  132. goonermichael says:

    septic tank = yank
    J Arthur Rank is a differnt rhyme :)

  133. VCC says:

    T.A. = Rooney getting a straight red at Old Trafford…….There’s more chance you getting a blow job from the Queen.

  134. goonermichael says:

    VCC
    My dad used to say “you’ve got more chance of catching a dose off the queen” You reminded me of him.

  135. Rasp says:

    Sounds like you’ve got dodgy mincers on yer boat then gm?

  136. goonermichael says:

    If you had a boat like mine you’d scuttle it :)

  137. Rasp says:

    I was so ugly, when I was born, the doctor slapped my mum

  138. Gooner In Exile says:

    Afternoon all, I have paid the first price of supporting Arsenal this year….

    I have a cold from attending the Emirates in shorts and tracktop to be drenched during and after game.

    The second price I amlikely to pay is going to Arsenal v Bolton with the wife which is going to cost me two nights in a London hotel :(

    The article has been discussed above but my tuppenceworth is that as others after watching the game on Saturday we may not be as short as some of us fear, admittedly we are stretched right now but for me the must have signing is a defence opener. And keeping Nasri.

    Kelsey in answer to your question our wages are higher mainly because of the number of players on the books. Some people quibble at this as they say we shouldn’t have so many kids on the books, I think Wilshere and Frimpong show why we should and the transfer fees of Rooney, De Gea and other hot prospects show that it is probably still cheaper to retain youngsters than buy the stars (in bidding wars) when they have come good elsewhere.

    Someone else asked whether Frimpong will play for England/Ghana I believe the lad thinks of himself as GhanaIan like Giggs thought of himself as Welsh and the England Schoolboys caps are only due to where they went to School not where they were born.

    After that he has said he wants to play for Ghana but accepted a call up for England U’19s but forced to withdraw for injury.

    According to ever reliable wiki he has been asked to play for Ghana in a friendly in October.

  139. harry says:

    @Camberwell Gooner – Sorry didnt respond, have been busy all day…….

    It should mean that he will be in the dugout on wed, but it is not 100% clear, as UEFA havent been clear themselves, surprise….!

    Pretty confident wenger will win the appeal as they clear direction from UEFA! if they kept a copy sorted?

    @Total, I like your dream but I urge you to dream harder ……

    Saturday – Nasri leaves
    Sunday – Nasri returns after refusing to sign for city, realising that Arsenal are the greatest club in the world………after seeing Arsenal beat united at Old trafford, he sneaked in after missing his medical at city…….and when evra laughs at him, he knocks him out………

  140. goonermichael says:

    GIE
    Essien has been trying to makes sure he stays Ghanaian. Giggs isn’t welsh he played for them to spite his English dad apparently.

  141. goonermichael says:

    And all his hampsteads Harry (evras)

  142. Herb'sArmy says:

    GM,
    Giggs was born in England, but chose Wales because his dad is Welsh.

  143. VCC says:

    Rasp 6:17. I was so naughty when I was born, the doctor slapped my arse and told me not to go in there again.

  144. Rasp says:

    :P VCC

  145. VCC says:

    GIE 6:22 = Try Thistle hotels, they may still have 2 nights for the price of one on offer.

    If not you can pitch a tent in my back garden. Free bucket of clean water daily.

  146. TotalArsenal says:

    VCC, everytime I see your avatar/picture I have to remind myself it is not your gut but your shoulder :P

    The queen would be one lucky lady… :)

  147. TotalArsenal says:

    Harry, I would not want Nasri to stay anymore. In fact, I think this whole transfer saga re Nasri is cruel torture for us fans. I would like him to score a very important goal for us on Wednesday, so he knows again – one last time – what it is to be a Gooner. Then I want him to sod off to Man City, warm the bench for a whole season, and let him think again and again how great it was to play for us.

  148. Gooner In Exile says:

    So generous VCC! :D

    On the UEFA fine and ban I’m sure some have mentioned it but Wengers fine is the same as the Croatian FA got for allowing a racist banner to remain up during an entire game and monkey chants from fans.

    Way to kick racism out of football UEFA!!

    The Jose gouging incident is irrelevant as we wouldn’t expect UEFA to deal with Premier League or FA Cup games.

    On the subject of officialdom gone mad I’m sure you’re all aware who is reffing the game against United…..that’s right the rent boy himself Howard Webb…..wonders never cease

  149. gunnern5 says:

    My wife and I were happy for 30 years – and then we met.

    I asked my Dad to take me ice skating – he said lets wait til the summer.

    When I was born the doctor came out to the waiting room and said to my parents, I’m so sorry we did every thing we could – but he pulled through.

    My mother had morning sickness – after I was born.

    Asked the bellhop to take care of my bag – he felt up my wife.

    My Dad could never be accused of being smart – he worked in a bank and stole pencils.

    My wife and I never think the same way.
    She gives money to the homeless.
    I give money to the topless.

    My girlfriend said come on over, there`s no one at home.
    I went over and sure enough – there was no one at home.

  150. VCC says:

    T.A. = I can assure you that IS my shoulder, but to me thats no consolation cos my gut (after years of heavy drinking) is just as big, lol.

    Trying to lose some inches around the waist before a late holiday in October. Would love to look like Adonis.

  151. TotalArsenal says:

    Red Arse, what sort of date is it, and what star sign are you? :)

  152. TotalArsenal says:

    VCC :) If Arsenal keep playing the way it did during the last three games, we will all lose weight :(

  153. VCC says:

    GIE = Try Hotels .com they have 10% discount at the moment, might help to soften the blow.

  154. VCC says:

    T.A.= I’m desperately trying to keep calm at the moment, hence my non participation on this site. I’m pretty depressed, but the more I look into this debacle at the Emirates the more I’m feeling sorry for Wenger. My Son and I watched his interviews lately and we both agree his hands are tied and he will not publicly tell the truth about what’s happening behind the scene’s. Surely even the most stubborn Mr.Wenger can see the shortfall within our team/squad.

    I think he is trying to make a point to the DOB, but alas, it is telling on our displays.

  155. goonermichael says:

    Herb
    Giggs dad is Welsh and giggs was born in cardiff according to wiki. The thing I said was told to me by a manc. Can’t beleive anything these days.

  156. Red Arse says:

    TA,

    It’s one of those dates where you are as nice as hell, splash out on a nice bottle of wine, keep the lighting low, soft music etc.

    It’s a tactic I have used, unsuccessfully, to try and convince each of my potential girlfriends that I am not soooo ugly.

    I still can’t drink, so the whole bottle is for the lady, and I wanted Mystic to tip me off, because I can’t keep wasting £3:99 on these fine wines!! :-)

  157. goonermichael says:

    TA
    If nasri plays on Wednesday he won’t be going to city.

  158. Herb'sArmy says:

    Whichever way round it is GM, he was eligible to play for England (I think his mother is English), but he chose Wales.
    I reckon we hay have won the WC if we had Giggs.

  159. Red Arse says:

    Did you hear that we have now got the wealthiest shareholder in world football, ignoring the state owned Citeh?

    Well it is not Lakshmi Mittel the steel magnate part owner of QPR.
    No, it’s our very own Alisher Usmanov!

    I am rapidly changing my mind in the financial environment we find ourselves in. I always admired and wanted a well run ‘normal’ club (Arsenal) who showed the others how it is done with diligence and honour.

    Now I am leaning towards Usmanov having a voice on the Board of Directors — which would be quite normal and prudent for his shareholding investment — and ploughing in a few hundred million for transfers.

    Kroenke “The Businessman” wants to make a buck, and I am now even more convinced he will sell out to Usmanov next year anyhow!

    Controversial, or what?

    {Mincers and boats — what’s that all about — no, don’t tell me it is probably horrible!}

  160. Red Arse says:

    Herb,

    I think you asked earlier how did we ‘miss’ bale when we bought Walcott from Southampton.

    Wenger was asked this very question last year after the Spurs match.

    He said he was aware of Bale and had thought of buying him for £5m at the same time as he did the Walcott deal, when he was offered to him.

    He said he rated Bale but already had cover at left back, Clichy and Traore, and decided not to take Bale. Doh!!!! — He ugly, but ,,, He good!!

  161. goonermichael says:

    My Manc client gave me absolutely wrong info about him Herb. He would have been competing with john terry in the other peoples wife shagging competition.

  162. VCC says:

    Red Arse = I think you are dead right. Kroenke is only in this to make a quick buck. I’m convinced this guy is the reason we are not spending, or investing in top quality players.

    Unfortunately, we, the supporters, will only find out when Wenger publishes his autobiography.

    Trouble is, this may be too late, after we have gone down the slippery slope. Once we start that mullarky, could be us, the once mighty Arsenal becoming a permanent mid table football team.

    As life in general, once you start falling it takes a monumental effort to get back on your feet.

    I am praying we do not join the also rans of the premiership.

    What a bitter pill to swallow when not too long ago we were THE INVINCIBLES (sorry London, just had to use capitals)

  163. goonermichael says:

    I’m off home now see you all later

  164. kelsey says:

    RA,

    I don’t know how to go back on past comments from months ago but I said exactly the same thing to the words of somethiing like there is nothing to stop kroenke selling to Usmanov.

  165. kelsey says:

    Word on the street is that a deal has been agreed with city for 22 million but nasri’s dad and agent want another 3 million for themselves.

    I would play him on Wednesday as the game revenue wise is worth Nasri’s transfer fee.and of course CL football attracts the better players. We must win as after Sunday regardless of the outcome of that game there is. a two week break for internationals

  166. evonne says:

    Well, let’s hope he wants to sell (ie Kroenke to Usmanov), because if that’s the case it is in his interest to have a club that is doing well. The better we are doing, the higher the value.

    How am I doing London?

  167. London says:

    Well, I am looking forward to Sunday.

  168. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    RA,
    Bale , He`s ugly , he`s good and according to Theo(Bale`s room mate at Soton) he`s a gooner!, alas it wasn`t to be.

  169. TotalArsenal says:

    RA, I will get in touch with MysticGooner and get back to you re your date and worthwhileness of investing money in a fine bottle of wine.

  170. evonne says:

    Sunday? What about Wednesday? I thought that could be a season defining game?

  171. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    RA,
    Who would be the better of two evil`s?,Kroenke,The Businessman or Usmanov?.
    I think Usmanov is more on the lines of the Chav`s owner, He want`s his own toy, some say he`s a manc but he insists he loves The Arsenal. Whats he worth?£17 Billion or so!, The whole citeh sheiks family are worth about £500 Billion!(don`t take it as gospel,i`m not their accountant).
    Anyway I`m leaving my judgement on Arsenal`s plight for a few years as i have great hopes for the FFP.
    If UEFA have the dog`s doo daas to Police and rule it with an iron bar,then we could have a level playing field, if not ,citeh will blow everyone out of the water!
    Am i being too gullable for hopeing for a fairer system?.

  172. Big Raddy says:

    GLIC. In three letters … Yes.

    Watching the MU THFC game. It is good to see two teams playing open attacking football. Would that teams did the same when playing us.

    Also Strange to see 2 teams without a creative MF.

  173. Big Raddy says:

    GLIC. If UEFA accept the 400m paid by the Arabs in sponsorship then we know the answer.

  174. Red Arse says:

    GLIC,

    I do not think you are gullible, why shouldn’t you expect the appropriate authority to act appropriately?

    On the other hand, being a cynic, I am not at all sure they do have the cojones to police the regulations properly and money does talk.

    Who are likely to be the biggest (only) culprits at whom the FFP rules are aimed? Citeh, Chavs, Madrid, Barca, Inter and very soon Paris St Germain and Malaga (both now owned by Quatar/Sheiks). Why is that? Because they are obscenely wealthy and not running their clubs within their own means!

    Ask yourself who ‘won’ the 2022 World Cup? And why? Could it be money?

    Are UEFA and FIFA ever influenced by big money? Do bears crap in the woods? Same answer?

    Cynic? Me? No, just a realist! :-)

  175. Red Arse says:

    TA,

    Re your 8:20, thanks for that. I can ill afford to spend £3:99 and not achieve the required result! :-)

  176. evonne says:

    Raddy – yes, good game all right, fast and furious. Manc are winning now, shame I was hoping for a draw and 2 hamstrings.

    What is Brad Friedel doing in Scum’s goal?? They must be desperate!

    Modric on strike, Friedel in goal, van der Vaart tired after 15 mins, and we are the club in trouble?

  177. gooner lost in cornwall says:

    BR,
    True or not?, I hear that the sponsors have not made a profit since existence,so it doesn`t take Sherlock holmes to work that one out! but UEFA probably have Clouseau on the case! :)
    RA,
    OK, bring on the Usbecki, loads of filled brown paper bags sent discretaly to UEFA! Clouseau`s on shift! :)

  178. harry says:

    Guys for all of you that read that article last night in respect to the indifference between arsene and the board, the website which ran the original one, has had an official reply from our press department………

    http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s378/st170588.htm

  179. RockyLives says:

    Evening all. We may be in “crisis” but we’re still above the Spuds:)

  180. California Gooner says:

    Harry, that isn’t a reply. It’s a denial, but without any counter-story. I find the original story very convincing. Stan comes from the U.S. where there are all kinds of parity rules. One team wins, then the next year another does. I don’t think he really gets that European Football is built on dynasties, where winning creates the fan-base, cache, and draw for top players that keeps you on top.

    If the original article is true, or even 70 percent true, it makes a lot of sense of our summer paralysis in the transfer market. It makes sense of why we have only signed youth players plus the moderately-priced Gervinho. And it makes sense of Wenger’s threat to play Nasri on Wednesday. Basically, the board was too cheap to buy him Mata, but then wants to sell Nasri. What is in it for him?

  181. RockyLives says:

    Kelsey
    Very good post. Sorry I couldn’t join the discussion today – still swamped by house move.

  182. allezkev says:

    Nice one Harry…

  183. WiganGooner says:

    …. back in 40 mins or so then :)

    WG

  184. Camberwell Gooner says:

    Morning WG, just read on the redoubtable arseblog news that Wenger is confident of getting his ridiculous new ban overturned on appeal. Apparently the club was took extra care to check with the special UEFA official that what they were doing was allowed (i.e. passing messages etc) and were given the all clear, then UEFA turn around and slap a ban on him!

    Now I’m not one for name-calling but in this case I’ll make an exception.

    UEFA, you massive bunch of A-holes.

    That is all.

  185. evonne says:

    Camberwell – that’s the best you can do under the circumstances :)

    Incompetent dickheads! And liars, they will lie about the permission, you watch it

  186. Gooner In Exile says:

    Morning all, watching United Spuds highlights last night I realised two things:

    A) Harry loves rolling over for Fergie to ensure his glass of Bordeaux post match.

    B) Fergies loan policy for youngsters (into PL clubs) is something we should have done this year with Afobe and Bartley. Look at Cleverley and Wellbeck right now.

    C) We really need to test De Gea on the weekend

  187. kelsey says:

    “B) Fergies loan policy for youngsters (into PL clubs) is something we should have done this year with Afobe and Bartley. Look at Cleverley and Wellbeck right now.

    C) We really need to test De Gea on the weekend”

    Morning couldn’t agree more about cleverley and welbeck, and especially in the second half United looked extremely fit.Without freidel it could have been 6.

    The only flaw in your argument about testing De Gea is that although i agree with you we need to shoot at every available opportunity and we wew woeful at that.

  188. evonne says:

    Morning GiE – Wellbeck’s header was brill indeed.

    I asked last night about Brad Friedel – how come he was in goal? Where is that muppet Gomes?

  189. harry says:

    GIE…………No I dont like rolling over for Fergie and I dont drink wine.

    Agree about (C) but thats where our BIGGEST problem lies therein, we have lost the ability to shoot…….

  190. London says:

    Evonne

    Harry’s Sunday, refered to in his 6:26, now that Sunday I am looking forward to.

  191. Red Arse says:

    Hi Guys,

    Someone on AA said that Arsene was asking for trouble by being so obvious about his conversations, in the stands, with Primorac.

    The obvious retort is that if he had been given permission why would he try and hide what he was doing.

    As a highly intelligent man, if he was up to mischief does anyone think he could not have done a better job of disguising his ‘misdemeanour’! I think the answer is rather obvious!

    By the way, special thanks should go to Sky, either way, for trying to rat him out!

  192. evonne says:

    London, I am scrolling back quickly…..

  193. WiganGooner says:

    @RA

    I think I suggested at some point that if it was indeed forbidden to pass messages verbally then I would have thought Arsene would have been clever enough to write them down…after all – the TV camera’s wouldn’t have been able to read it and Primorac could have read it word for word.

    Therefore my conclusion is that Arsene honestly believed he had permission to do what he did.

    WG

  194. evonne says:

    Honestly!!! I got all excited :(
    How about Monday – Cesc returns :) Happy days

  195. Red Arse says:

    ‘Arry is the complete opposite of our erudite manager, but I like him because of his artful disseminations.

    He said Luca (Modric) probably should go if he is not right about staying, but the Chairman has said he will not be sold, and he is right! — ‘Arry, which is it – sale or no sale? :-)

    Now he is saying Luca will stay because he knows he is wanted (by whom ‘Arry), but the Chairman might let him go because his head is not right. — ‘Arry, which is it — stay or no stay?

    Here’s a clue ‘Arry, if you speak gobble dee Gook to Modric he will want to leave the Spuds just to get away from you! :-)

    Sorry to AA’ers with different views on Harry, but I do actually quite like him.

    He is trying to dump responsibility on his Chairman so the fans know who to blame when Modric goes.
    Perhaps Arsene should take note of Harry after all!! :-)

  196. Red Arse says:

    Morning WG,

    I’m not sure I was referring to you, because I cannot recall the specifics to be honest, but your conclusion was obviously right anyway! :-)

  197. Red Arse says:

    With a new post coming up shortly, only a few AA’ers will read this, and for those of you already on here I apologise in advance for this statement.

    Watching both Manchester teams play I have been sadly impressed and I think they are going to be, with the Chavs, in a league of their own.

    That means for the first time, AND I HOPE I AM PROVED TOTALLY WRONG (sorry Londinium), we are in the second division of the premier League this season.

    Money spending b’stards!!!!

  198. harry says:

    REd Arse I do agree to a point, but I hold hope until the window closes…..that AW buys the 2 players we need……….

  199. chas says:

    RA,
    Chavski had won the league after 6 games last season remember!

  200. evonne says:

    RA – you say ‘Arry, which is it — stay or no stay?’ ; or should it be ‘Deal or no deal’ :)

    Mancs did start well, but I predict that by December the wheels will come off

  201. Red Arse says:

    Thanks Harry and Chas, for giving me a gentle reminder. :-)

    You are both right of course.

    After watching the Manure game last night, and if things stay as they are, I thought to myself that it will be a fantastic fight to be in the top four at the end of the season, and I am up for it.

    I was being realistic because a top four finish would be more than satisfactory given the ‘money no object’ approach of the other three. This could really be a fantastic season, whatever happens!! :-)

  202. Rasp says:

    Morning,

    New post …….

  203. critic says:

    I have put a mental note to NOT TO READ ANYTHING FROM A WRITER KNOWN AS KELSEY.

    Loads of garbage 0 information.

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